Jarhead took place in the late 80s and early 90s so there would be many differences from then and now. Asking a veteran from the Gulf War period would make more sense.
LOL Im a vet from The Gulf War Vet and yeah things were a lot different then than now. Just like it was different before I went it. The military was far from PC when I was in compared to what I am told is like now.
When we got back from Desert Storm, we saw boots right out of MCRD San Diego in their Alphas, rifle badge...and National Defense, which we called Firewatch Ribbon or the Gimme Ribbon because everybody got it around the time of Desert Storm. I remember during bootcamp, 2nd Phase at Edson Range (Sept-Oct 1989), we had live fire training, walking down the rifle range in fireteam formation, shooting live rounds at targets. Just like when pulling targets, every Marine knows what a round zipping past his grape sounds like.
I seen this in the theater and I was the only person who LOL when the DI slammed Swofford's head into the chalkboard 😂 I graduated from MCRD San Diego in 1994 and graduated with the National Defense Ribbon. We called it the "Firewatch" ribbon. I'm pretty sure he's checking in to his company after SOI. That's School of Infantry for you civilians. Also pretty obvious that this is after SOI and he just joined the fleet is the Marine who just got branded on his leg. He puts his foot on Swofford's chest and yells "Boot motherf***ker!" "Get some!"
I went to boot camp in 1979 and no Drill Instructors had mustaches. I went back as a Sargeant as a PMI at Weapons Training Battalion and had to shave my mustache the policy no facial hair on the Depot.
During the first day when we met our Drill Instructors, one of the DI's did the whole "Are you gay?" shtick going hard on a recruit, except using a very different and acceptable word (at the time) for gay. Recruit broke down and said he was a homosexual. This was back when you could be kicked out for that. It was considered fraudulent enlistment. Never saw the recruit after that. Different times 😃
hey boot back in the day you left SOI with just your shooting badge we didn't get ribbons for graduating boot camp and DIs in the 80's had glorious mustaches
Yeah this scene is totally on Hollywood. I've read Swoffords book many years ago and that was purely fictional. The only death of a fellow marines he talkes about in his book is the death of Troy, who died in civil life in a car accident after the second gulf war. This made him loose direction for some time because it seemed so unreal to him that someone who survived a war could die in such a trivial way afterwards. And because he blamed the Corps to some degree because they didn't extend Troys contract after the war. If I remember right no one of his platoon died in boot camp or the war. While the movie deplays to a large part what Swofford wrote. He alters a few things chronolocially or merges two incidents into one. And a few things are completely made up by the movie.
I went to 'Hollywood' for boot camp. I sereved twice 95-99 and 07-11. I went to San Diego in Oct. 1995. From my experience, we went through a low crawl course, very similar to the one in the video, and we were told not to raise our grapes above the barbed wire, because they were using live rounds. Not sure if they were actually live, but we weren't gonna find out. Oh btw, maggot was very popular in my two enlistments.
I'm pretty sure that the live round scene is a direct indictment of the fatal shooting of Lance Corporal Austin Ruiz a few years ago. Lance Cpl. Jonothan Barnette, was killed during a live round training exercise at the Twentynine Palms base in the fall of 2021. So, sadly it happens it just isn't widely talked about.
Blanket Parties did happen like in Full Metal Jacket. Saw them a few time AFTER boot camp. Also saw people who refused to have basic hygiene dragged into showers and had steel wool used on them. Steel wool which was later used to light cigarettes with a battery when no lighters were available. Trust me even senior command " saw nothing" if you get my drift.
LOL I got that after boot camp in 1990 and earn real ones in Bosnia, Turkey During Desert Storm,etc. The national defense medal got you laid when you went back home after Boot Camp ;p
They still use live rounds in certain training. Google marine killed by live round training. One instance a few years ago spawned a Congressional investigation.
Good video. Thank you for your service. Marines were always good to me when I was in the Navy. Sat next to a marine on a flight home during leave. We talked the whole flight. I was going to surprise my family - an expensive cab ride. He offered to drive way out of his way so I didn't have to pay for a cab. Any time there was trouble on liberty, marines from my ship's MarDet always had my back (I never started trouble, but a bunch of just landed Americans looking to spend money always seemed to attract grifters and thugs). Hope you enjoy your time in and stay safe.
Crawling under barbwire while live rounds fly over you is something that does happen, but people are obviously warned that live rounds are used, and they're not being fired horizontally, cause there always could be a dumbass who decides to stand up. Perhaps its not allowed now, but in the 80s it was a thing, or so people say.
the ribbon you say is lacking from their alphas would be the national defense service medal which awarded to all branches for service during a time of war was not authorized in the late 80's so it s correct that they wouldnt be wearing it checking into their unit. about a year after i graduated from boot camp congress authorized the global war on terrorism service medal so, for a time, Marines were graduating boot camp with two ribbons on their uniform.
That fake macho shit was always pissed me off so much. My dad died in a "training accident" in the marines that was just that dumb "arent we so hard" shit they do in the military. Same thing they do in gangs and they dont act any better.
I wasn't in a US branch but in my country we used to do a shitload of fire and move exercises with live rounds where you fired over or besides another (sometimes moving) platoon while some asshole staff officer was screaming in your ears, why the hell you don't have more shots on target. Don't know how it is today. Hope they stopped this practice because that shit was fucking dangerous to a brainless extent.
So, the reason y'all got multiple ribbons at graduation is cause the national defense medal is authorized for the war. This must have been before desert shield broke out. So, no national defense medal. (I think).
MCT was started a few months before I went to boot camp. Commandant Al Grey thought the Corps was getting too soft and basically had an extra month of boot camp field and weapons training. I did MCT at Pendleton and got to hump up Mount Motherfu**er and sing the Marine's Hymn. Nothing better than a young gung-ho Marine. Good times!
@@quentinbaldwin1433 Blanks would just give the recruit a false sense of security. It doesn't make sense to use blanks. And the lil fuck don't even remember what unit he was in.
Jarhead took place in the late 80s and early 90s so there would be many differences from then and now. Asking a veteran from the Gulf War period would make more sense.
LOL Im a vet from The Gulf War Vet and yeah things were a lot different then than now. Just like it was different before I went it. The military was far from PC when I was in compared to what I am told is like now.
When we got back from Desert Storm, we saw boots right out of MCRD San Diego in their Alphas, rifle badge...and National Defense, which we called Firewatch Ribbon or the Gimme Ribbon because everybody got it around the time of Desert Storm. I remember during bootcamp, 2nd Phase at Edson Range (Sept-Oct 1989), we had live fire training, walking down the rifle range in fireteam formation, shooting live rounds at targets. Just like when pulling targets, every Marine knows what a round zipping past his grape sounds like.
I seen this in the theater and I was the only person who LOL when the DI slammed Swofford's head into the chalkboard 😂
I graduated from MCRD San Diego in 1994 and graduated with the National Defense Ribbon. We called it the "Firewatch" ribbon.
I'm pretty sure he's checking in to his company after SOI. That's School of Infantry for you civilians.
Also pretty obvious that this is after SOI and he just joined the fleet is the Marine who just got branded on his leg. He puts his foot on Swofford's chest and yells "Boot motherf***ker!" "Get some!"
I love how they set music of Be happy over a shouting drill sergeant and a fight scene with these guys
I went to boot camp in 1979 and no Drill Instructors had mustaches. I went back as a Sargeant as a PMI at Weapons Training Battalion and had to shave my mustache the policy no facial hair on the Depot.
2:56-2:58: "Sir, I'm not gay, sir!" It should have been this: "Sir, *the recruit is* not gay, sir!"
There is a deleted scene where the DI yells at another recruit for saying “me”, but then Swafford gets away with it…Smh Hollywood
During the first day when we met our Drill Instructors, one of the DI's did the whole "Are you gay?" shtick going hard on a recruit, except using a very different and acceptable word (at the time) for gay. Recruit broke down and said he was a homosexual. This was back when you could be kicked out for that. It was considered fraudulent enlistment. Never saw the recruit after that. Different times 😃
hey boot back in the day you left SOI with just your shooting badge we didn't get ribbons for graduating boot camp and DIs in the 80's had glorious mustaches
I appreciate the fact that you addressed the absurdity of a movie that portrays training with live rounds. Literally, that scene takes away so much.
Yeah this scene is totally on Hollywood. I've read Swoffords book many years ago and that was purely fictional. The only death of a fellow marines he talkes about in his book is the death of Troy, who died in civil life in a car accident after the second gulf war. This made him loose direction for some time because it seemed so unreal to him that someone who survived a war could die in such a trivial way afterwards. And because he blamed the Corps to some degree because they didn't extend Troys contract after the war. If I remember right no one of his platoon died in boot camp or the war.
While the movie deplays to a large part what Swofford wrote. He alters a few things chronolocially or merges two incidents into one. And a few things are completely made up by the movie.
@@guy_incognito___5480 Always gotta leave a little room for artists to indulge in the story. Good reply, I enjoyed reading it.
Rangers had gone through this
I went to 'Hollywood' for boot camp. I sereved twice 95-99 and 07-11. I went to San Diego in Oct. 1995. From my experience, we went through a low crawl course, very similar to the one in the video, and we were told not to raise our grapes above the barbed wire, because they were using live rounds.
Not sure if they were actually live, but we weren't gonna find out.
Oh btw, maggot was very popular in my two enlistments.
No live rounds, I ripped my trousers on that dang barbed wire.
I'm pretty sure that the live round scene is a direct indictment of the fatal shooting of Lance Corporal Austin Ruiz a few years ago. Lance Cpl. Jonothan Barnette, was killed during a live round training exercise at the Twentynine Palms base in the fall of 2021. So, sadly it happens it just isn't widely talked about.
Hollywood unfortunately is Hollywood not everything is realistic. But this movie is up there for me wit Full Metal Jacket, Saving Private Ryan etc
Blanket Parties did happen like in Full Metal Jacket. Saw them a few time AFTER boot camp. Also saw people who refused to have basic hygiene dragged into showers and had steel wool used on them. Steel wool which was later used to light cigarettes with a battery when no lighters were available. Trust me even senior command " saw nothing" if you get my drift.
Moustaches common in my days in boot camp in 1980. And no participation ribbons for just going to boot.
I was MCRD San Diego Aug-Nov 1989 and no mustaches either. Definitely no ribbons for boot camp. That's the Air Force...wife was in back then as well.
Haha that drill Sargent looks like Sargent Slaughter
They used live rounds for a lot of years. My brother did when he was in basic at fort benning.
What was his name?
They started giving out the national defense medal aka fire watch ribbon shortly after desert shield started in 1990/91...
LOL I got that after boot camp in 1990 and earn real ones in Bosnia, Turkey During Desert Storm,etc. The national defense medal got you laid when you went back home after Boot Camp ;p
Is it possible they actually did use live ammo during such exercises in the late 80s? I mean, the Red Scare was still real back then.
Probably not. This wasn't in Swoffords book and was made up by the screenwriters.
They still use live rounds in certain training. Google marine killed by live round training. One instance a few years ago spawned a Congressional investigation.
Good video.
Thank you for your service.
Marines were always good to me when I was in the Navy. Sat next to a marine on a flight home during leave. We talked the whole flight. I was going to surprise my family - an expensive cab ride. He offered to drive way out of his way so I didn't have to pay for a cab.
Any time there was trouble on liberty, marines from my ship's MarDet always had my back (I never started trouble, but a bunch of just landed Americans looking to spend money always seemed to attract grifters and thugs).
Hope you enjoy your time in and stay safe.
Thank you for your service! 🙏🏽
Crawling under barbwire while live rounds fly over you is something that does happen, but people are obviously warned that live rounds are used, and they're not being fired horizontally, cause there always could be a dumbass who decides to stand up. Perhaps its not allowed now, but in the 80s it was a thing, or so people say.
the ribbon you say is lacking from their alphas would be the national defense service medal which awarded to all branches for service during a time of war was not authorized in the late 80's so it s correct that they wouldnt be wearing it checking into their unit. about a year after i graduated from boot camp congress authorized the global war on terrorism service medal so, for a time, Marines were graduating boot camp with two ribbons on their uniform.
The DI scenes seems like a poor man's copy of Full Metal Jacket.
I have a Grandad who served In Korea from 1950-51
That fake macho shit was always pissed me off so much. My dad died in a "training accident" in the marines that was just that dumb "arent we so hard" shit they do in the military. Same thing they do in gangs and they dont act any better.
Why would you train using live rounds? Ask SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force. They do.
I wasn't in a US branch but in my country we used to do a shitload of fire and move exercises with live rounds where you fired over or besides another (sometimes moving) platoon while some asshole staff officer was screaming in your ears, why the hell you don't have more shots on target. Don't know how it is today. Hope they stopped this practice because that shit was fucking dangerous to a brainless extent.
So, the reason y'all got multiple ribbons at graduation is cause the national defense medal is authorized for the war. This must have been before desert shield broke out. So, no national defense medal. (I think).
Yup, exactly. The US was in peacetime in 1989, so no National Defense medal. Boots arriving at MCT would probably only have their marksmanship badges.
No National defense from 11/10/95-09/11/01 and the National Defense is stopping on 01/01/23
I’m from Maryland to
dope video my guy.
Appreciate it!
Thank you for the Great video
Of course!
Grad Jan 4 91 finished MCT en of Feb
Your Division sergeant major is all alone in a battalion field
luv the vid i sub
Welcome to the channel! Glad you enjoyed
according to the real anthony swofford, they used live rounds during exercises and yes one marine was killed during a training exercise because of it
I never got a ribbon.
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How would he know his dad was in Vietnam that’s bullshit
You keep saying "MCT" like we all know what it means, bruh
It stands for marine combat training
MCT was started a few months before I went to boot camp. Commandant Al Grey thought the Corps was getting too soft and basically had an extra month of boot camp field and weapons training. I did MCT at Pendleton and got to hump up Mount Motherfu**er and sing the Marine's Hymn. Nothing better than a young gung-ho Marine. Good times!
Are you sure you're a real marine?
That’s what I’m saying lol. You call the corpsman to get the body out there.
@@quentinbaldwin1433 Blanks would just give the recruit a false sense of security. It doesn't make sense to use blanks. And the lil fuck don't even remember what unit he was in.