I know someone who met him in Kuwait while he was on a military deployment. The Gunny “ choked” him for a posed photograph. It’s one of his prized possessions.
yea they are tough because if they aren't then what are they gonna do when they are in high stress situations such as war? cause right now when people in the military encounter hardship they don't think its hard they think this isn't as bad as that hellhole of basic so I can easily do this
@Aniwayas Song I know my original comment sounds a bit harsh but I said it in reaction to the lady in the video. She seemed shocked at how the soldiers were treated in boot camp or that racial slurs were used. These aren't pre-teens at summer camp, they are adults being trained to be Marines. I used the term 'obedient killers' in the same way you described it. They are extremely well trained to follow orders to get the job done. They use their intelligence and decision making to decide how to complete their orders in the best way possible. I used the word 'killers' as that is their main purpose but only to kill the enemy of course. Yes the military can be used in situations to help keep the peace or to deliver needed supplies to areas hit by natural disasters but above all they exist to kill the enemy. That should not ever be forgotten. I have massive respect for everybody who was or still is in the military. I'm sure the vast majority of them do not want to kill anybody and I know a lot of them suffer psychologically from the things they have to do but they do it because it needs to be done.
@Aniwayas Song I'm glad I was able to explain myself, at least somewhat. :D I didn't want my original statement to come across as a negative in any way. Sure, in an ideal word it would be great if we didn't need a military for any other purpose than humanitarian aid for natural disasters but that's not the world we live in. There are evil people in the world, even if they don't see their actions as being evil, and a country needs to be ready to defend itself to protect against violent actions, incursion and to ensure it's freedoms. We do live in 'interesting times' and it's a shame. I remember it wasn't too long ago when you would never hear politicians endorsing terrorism or talking negatively about our own country. The seeds of communism have been planted far and wide in America and it's disgusting to see so many people being fine with that. Good talking to you!
I was never in the Marine Corps, but. I have always had a special place in my heart for those that have served in the USMC. Not only have I always revered the Marines as the toughest bastards in the military, but god damn, you guys have the sharpest uniforms that were ever designed. A United States Marine is the absolute definition of dignified, at least in my eyes. Thank you for your service!!
My dad was a private in the Marines during the Vietnam War and the DI portrayal is accurate he always told me. When he got to be a sergeant himself, he was talking to his platoons the same way. When he got out, the language cleaned up but the attitude was still there. Once a Marine, always a Marine!!
My dad too, 1967. Unfortunately he learned the language and attitude well and raised us kids that way a lot of the time! Hard growing up that way, but I have great respect for him as a Marine, however. Great respect for all Marines, especially from the Vietnam era.
Served in the US Army between 2009-2013, as an officer, and seeing civilians react to training treatment is amusing. Take it from me, if you cannot cut it during basic training, then the life in the field isn't for you. You eventually get used to the insults, and after some time, you're desensitized to crudeness lol.
see for me I am glad I am one of the people that wouldn't be able to serve in the military due to my already present mental health problems with PTSD, depression and anxiety, not to mention adhd and my autism (yes I am sure some people who are autistic could cut it in the military), and it's not that I wouldn't wanna serve I honestly used to want to until I found out they wouldnt take me since my grandmother was a combat nurse in vietnam, I couldn't imagine how I'd do going into basic already having PTSD from years of abuse (physical, verbal and emotional) from my mom, anytime I hear someone yell I immediately wanna flinch cuz I think I'm gonna get hit or I wanna hide to prevent getting the hell beat out of me. I give all due respect though to anyone who currently serves and who has served in the past
You guys have to understand. those men may be forced to move forward and attack a situation in which they will be killed. these men must follow orders even in the situation that they will die horribly. they get broken down to nothing then built back into marines. This is what makes a man charge an enemy machine gun with no regaurd for his own life. Men that go through this fight for the man next to them. understand that
I went through Marine Recruit Training on Parris Island in the early 1980s, a few years before that movie was made. My Senior Drill Instructor was just like Gunny Hartmen. Its not a joke. They do that to mentally condition the recruit, to make them mentally hard, get them to think when things are going on around them, to break that shell of civilianhood, help them create a personal awareness.
You didn’t grow up “in the military”, you grew up NEAR it. Soldiers have to be able to look at another human being through a rifle sight and be able to pull the trigger so the guy next to them doesn’t get killed. You have to dehumanize a person to some extent for them to be able to do that. This also makes them a team, they have a common focus. It’s all done for a reason, to keep them alive.
Old comment but yeah pretty much, they could feel comfortable and relaxed but die in a few weeks or months. Or they could feel very uncomfortable and push through it and be able to live 50 more years. It will also be a lot more brutal when those guys go from being relaxed with everyone talking nice to ten people screaming at eachother with explosions going off and seeing chunks of bodies or blood. If they aren't mentally prepared then you will see people completely mentally break and if they survive they will be fucked forever. This gives a chance for mental fortitude training so that they can hopefully stay strong and go home to a normal life after. Being eased into war vs throwing you into the deep end and seeing if you drown.
I'm late too the party here, but I went through basic in 2006. They definitely weren't really allowed to punch or get physical with you, although it did happen at times. But cursing and yelling happened constantly. It's Basic training not daycare
Tell me you got in the rest of the movie, right? The second half sheds light on the first half... Training through hell, to prepare to survive a worse hell.
Nothing personal but unfortunately it's that kind of sentiment that changed the way training is done in the military and has weakened it. I had 3 drills just like this and as tough as they were i wouldn't have changed anything. The military needs more drills like this. That's the best way to weed out the ones not mentally tough to be infantry and go to war. A platoon is only as strong as their weakest member.
I didn't go to the Marines but went Army. Treatment was very close to this in my era. They told us that we're never going to forget our Drill Sergeants names and they were correct. After BCT I knew why they did it and never forgot. Imagine what and how the enemies of our country will do to us as Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Seamen if captured? I toughened up and to this day shake my head at what the Clinton era did and softened up the U.S.military. That guy never served 🙄. Thank you Drill Sergeants Meis, Geotz and Harris... I made it thru 25+ yrs serving our country. God bless America 🇺🇸‼️
Keep this in mind. The harsh treatment is purposeful. 1. The idea that you will improve yourself to earn praise instead of insults. 2. If you can't hack being insulted and slightly roughed up in a stable setting, what is going to happen to you in the field where it is not stable, and how is the enemy going to treat you.
To quote the movie Fury: "Ideals are peaceful. History is violent." Boot camp is the first lesson in making this come to life. Especially during war time.
The yelling and screaming is about far more than motivation. Its preparing people for war...for dealing with the worst possible experiences possible. Boot camo breaks everyone down to the same level...nothing, regardless of race, religion, backgroup. It teaches extreme efficiency and coordinated teamwork from step one. Theres no time in war to get your feelings hurt and get offended when bullets are flying and bodies dropping.
The DI acting this way serves multiple purposes. It teaches how to perform under stress, gives motivation, and forces them to learn to work together, almost like the DI becomes “the enemy” and they have to rely on each other the way they would in a real world situation. There’s no room for sensitivity in the military, despite what congress has been trying to do lately.
Our hardcore warriors need that kind of talking to. It helps to order men into battle so they don't hesitate. The USMC has a phd in how to kill and break things.
They still curse. 24hours in a day and they spend 18 hours of it on your neck. They don't need to curse. They're masterful at breaking you down without cursing. But they do.
You guys have some good conversations regarding what goes in in the clip and both of you make good points. As a Marine (84-90), I can tell you that two of the main reasons the drill instructors speak to the recruits the way they do is 1. Instant response. The goal is to condition the recruit to respond to and obey a command from instantly, without hesitation. Every aspect of boot camp is presented from the point of view of, "what if this situation comes up while you are on the battlefield"? Even a second of hesitation could mean your death and/or your fellow Marine's death. And 2. What if you're captured. From the very beginning of the Marine Corps (the Corps is actually older than our country!), it has been considered the "tip of the spear" of our military. We are almost always the first to go into enemy territory (especially when it comes to ground forces). So that increases the likelyhood of capture. Marine Corps philosophy is to "toughen you up", mentally and physically, in order to increase the likelihood that you'll survive capture. And history has proven that to be true; Marines have statistically been shown to be more likely to live through being a POW.
Think of it this way. Gunnery Ermey had a few weeks to get these recruits up to a level of training where they didn’t die in the first day in Viet Nam. Drill Instructors had to read reports of the guys they trained, dying over there. So if they felt that a punch in the gut or harsh language might get the recruit to focus and be better, that’s what they would do.
Question: Did anyone one of you guy go to any of the US Armed Force Basic Training? Well, nowadays, you MAY not experience the language, but years ago, it was a different story for those who went to basic training. Only difference is the physical touching of Drill Sergeants was kept to a minimum. No punching.
Pyle represents recruits that were part of a program (can't remember the name of it) where the military allowed people in that weren't physically and/or mentally fit for service. Also, the actor that played him had to gain 80lbs in a very short time, since he was in way too good of shape.
At that time the Marines where suffering so many casualties in Vietnam the boot camp was reduced from 3months to 2 and 8 weeks isn't time enough to turn a civilian into a professional Military man unless you push things to the extrema. This kind of training brought a lot of men back home and kept them alive.
Im a Navy brat and growing up we lived on Navy and Marine bases. I had a lot of friends whos dad was a Marine. And they were JUST like this. But you did respect them and knew they would have their kids' back if a teacher or someone else was being unfair. Marines are very hard but they are also very fair.
This is the way they should still train, my Drill was just like this and he weeded out the ones that wouldn't make it. If you grew up in the military it couldn't have been in the ARMY or Marines, cause up to the 90's they still trained this way. It became pc and went to shit because everyone suddenly got they feelings hurt. Nothing but pu**ies nowadays.
Agreed.. Plus judging by the Tet offensive base attack we see later, this movie took place during 1968, it was really heating up..If they made a movie like this during this day and age we'll have many weakling not seeing this point..And will probably cancel the shit out of this movie..
While Hartman was delivering Verbal Abuse, it was abuse with a purpose: Use verbal insults and harsh instruction to challenge their per-established beliefs surrounding their mental psyche, strip them of all pride and confidence and once its achieved, as if they were little more than a stack of legos, help them rebuild a better version of said psyche.
even back then DI's werent supposed to physically assault you. that being said i know some people trained around that time and they know people who were screwups who did get beaten by their DI's.
Got to make you hard. If you loose your cool from a word then how are you going to react to seeing your friend die? If you can't handle yelling how will you handle gunfire and explosions? Their job is to beat you down and your job is to keep standing. Seems harsh at the time but once you get out you realize it did make you stronger. Insults are just words. Words can't hurt you. Keep your head cool and you always have the advantage in any situation.
Everyone I know who was in the military says the same thing. Nothing the drill instructor says is personal, every insult they throw at you is meant to test your mental toughness because if some saying a racial slur towards you causes you to break you then you don't have what it takes to serve in combat
Yeah, the whole purpose of basic training is to introduce some controlled stress to a person. If you can't handle this then its not worth the government's time/money to train you any further for the possibility of being in combat.
UA-cam refused to let me post the whole comment. Try turning CC on and see what I see. Thank God they are protecting us from words. Who is protecting us from them? So, as a person with hearing disabilities, I'm stuck with 1 part Bleeps and 1 part guessing game what is said.
God forbid we train killers to protect our country and not soyboys. I like the reaction, I understand her aversion. This is who protects you though, and you DON'T want them soft. Semper Fi.
By not starting wars that need this kind of training, where the "tough" ones make it through just to kill innocent people, and people who question or feel shame are weeded out or worse like with Pyle. By keeping our "defense" budget limited to actual defense. If there is ever a military attack on US soil people will be motivated by the need to save their families and actually defend the country, not just to continue meddling overseas, I have no doubt. For now though kids are far more at risk from problems at home than any foreign power, they go to school with Pyle type kid who has access to his dad's gun and is bullied just like you see in the movie, these are the risks today. Sure we should still thank our veterans for our safety but if this "freedom" means bombing kids overseas then what are we really doing here? They complain "oh you've gotten soft," well then let us get hard again, stop starting wars overseas and let's see what happens, I mean it, the day we are truly under attack and not the aggressors is the day we will see unity and everyone backing the military. We can thank our veterans without condoning the horrors of war or the inhumane tactics used to get young men to fight unjust wars because the causes were not motivating enough in and of themselves.
@@emmabrown2746Assuming you've finished your diatribe: 1)You overestimate the fighting ability and motivation of large swathes of the populace who need safe spaces and crying rooms if they hear something they dint like so they can hide and gargle their soy lattes. 2) Si Vis Pace, Para Bellum. Anything else is just plain stupid and suicidal.
@@quentinmichel7581 Thank you for your response. Diatride continues here... 1) We are absolutely soft and over-consumptive, and the military industrial complex enables it like an entitled parent spoiling its child. Countries and peoples fear the U.S. and our allies, allowing us to exploit them and control a disproportionate amount of the worlds wealth and resources, which leads to, among other things, "guzzling soy lattes." In a true crisis though I stand by the ability for people to adapt and change very quickly. My great grandpa was textbook "soft" guy on paper- a sociology professor at a small liberal arts college with no military training. He ended up willingly and enthusiastically joining WWII and dying for his country though, uprooting his whole life to do so very quickly. 2) How you prepare depends on what war you are preparing for. Also, we aren't just "preparing" and in wait, we are attacking constantly, causing 310K+ civilian casualties alone in the last two decades. The US been at war for hundreds of years with next to no break.
@@emmabrown2746 Apologies if the "diatribe" comment ruffled any feathers. I do agree with you on one level.. I do believe we have fought too many wars for too long. And frequently for the wrong reasons. I just believe the world is unendingly dangerous and we have to be prepared and vigilant and carry the biggest stick. I do still disagree with you however on the ability of the present populace to rise to the occasion if necessary. Obviously there will be a core of competents, but the %ages have declined since the days of my grandparents, parents and my own era. I have to refer again to the 17 18 & 19 yr olds who need safe spaces crying rooms stuffed animals and counselors if someone says something that offends their delicate sensitivities. Unfortunately their numbers are legion .. and they are not the type to run to the sound of battle if our land is invaded. They would be more likely to collaborate with the invaders and turn on the resisting citizens. (I'm sticking with your defense-only scenario here). We may just have to agree to disagree on some points here. Again my regrets that we got off to a contentious thing here. 😏
@@quentinmichel7581 I thought it was funny honestly I meant it tongue in cheek- I know I'm long winded hah. I see what you mean here esp about needing to be prepared. I think you underestimate the younger generation some, but maybe time will tell.
This was Sand Hill Fort Benning GA 11bravo. It's just a process now it's different with cell phone and red cards. Remember Combat arms are legal serial killers.
Yeah you need to make it as stressful as possible so when recruits inevitably end up in a combat situation they are a) desensitized to chaos and b) have been equally abused and have built up a comradery, respect and trust amongst themselves so they can fight in a more effective manner.
I went through paris island in 1981 and that is the way the drill instructors were like except for one thing. There were 4 or 5 of them yelling and screaming at us
This depiction is the closet thing to actual Marine Corps boot camp, (Parris Island, S.C.) I went to Parris Island for boot training in 1963, honorable discharged in 1967. Actual boot camp was a little more intense and rougher than this movie. Sgt. E.R.M.
In Basic Training of all branches... You need to breakdown the recruits in order to build them back up in the mold that fits the branch. In the Army & Marines, they are front line people that will see a lot of death and destruction. In the Airforce and Navy they are more technical in nature so the breakdown of recruits is different and not as severe. It all serves a purpose. Thanks to the new generations of cry babies we have people coming out of their respective basic trainings not passing their physical fitness training and not liking to be yelled at because it stresses them out and they can't handle it. Thx that's going to protect a nation.
You grew up in the Military?! really?! and you're saying they don't deserve that? They're being prepared for war, which by the way is more ruthless than 100x what you see or hear here.
I went to San Diego in 85. 4 DIs and they all yelled at you. They had 12 weeks to get rid of 18 years of bad habits and turn you into a disciplined Marine. Not an easy feat.
USAF 1984-1987. One thing to remember is any branch you served they would strip you of being weak and make you the best. Take all your pride and build you into what was needed.
if u can't handle a pissed off drill instructor, you won't handle combat.
That's right! 😯
Lee Ermey is the only person I know who could put up a sign saying "I insult you for $ 20" and people would pay for it.
Were he still alive, I would actually pay that just to see/hear what he would come up with right off the top of his head.
I’d pay way more than 20
I would give up 50 bucks for that
I know someone who met him in Kuwait while he was on a military deployment. The Gunny “ choked” him for a posed photograph. It’s one of his prized possessions.
If he is a DI at Parris Island I would go to Boot Camp to see what he can say to me.
Glad you enjoyed my work
Gunny, I'd love for you to straighten out the kids in my neighborhood.
Sir Yes Sir!
We shall not cross you sir
@Andrew Anderson he may of died, but the Core is forever! Which means he lives forever
SUR YS SUR!!!!!!
I went through Marine Corps bootcamp in 1978 and it was exactly like this
I went through in 2009. It hasn't changed that much. Make no mistake, you can still get drop kicked.
@@jarhead21100 I have heard from many other marines that it is quite a lot different these days.
@Pedro Sepulveda Yeah I'm a Hollywood Marine. MCRD San Diego , California 11/14/1978
Cause Ermy was the real deal not an actor and most of his good lines were his not the script
PI 1082 1978 here
You need to remember that the Marines aren't working with students, they are trying to create obedient killers. This is such an amazing movie.
yea they are tough because if they aren't then what are they gonna do when they are in high stress situations such as war? cause right now when people in the military encounter hardship they don't think its hard they think this isn't as bad as that hellhole of basic so I can easily do this
@@k1llsh0t_87 Its also accurate as hell. I went through PI in 2002 and it was still like this even though we didnt talk about it.
@Aniwayas Song I know my original comment sounds a bit harsh but I said it in reaction to the lady in the video. She seemed shocked at how the soldiers were treated in boot camp or that racial slurs were used. These aren't pre-teens at summer camp, they are adults being trained to be Marines.
I used the term 'obedient killers' in the same way you described it. They are extremely well trained to follow orders to get the job done. They use their intelligence and decision making to decide how to complete their orders in the best way possible.
I used the word 'killers' as that is their main purpose but only to kill the enemy of course. Yes the military can be used in situations to help keep the peace or to deliver needed supplies to areas hit by natural disasters but above all they exist to kill the enemy. That should not ever be forgotten.
I have massive respect for everybody who was or still is in the military. I'm sure the vast majority of them do not want to kill anybody and I know a lot of them suffer psychologically from the things they have to do but they do it because it needs to be done.
@Aniwayas Song you do realize like all throughout boot camp you are basically taught they are training you to be killers right?
@Aniwayas Song I'm glad I was able to explain myself, at least somewhat. :D I didn't want my original statement to come across as a negative in any way. Sure, in an ideal word it would be great if we didn't need a military for any other purpose than humanitarian aid for natural disasters but that's not the world we live in. There are evil people in the world, even if they don't see their actions as being evil, and a country needs to be ready to defend itself to protect against violent actions, incursion and to ensure it's freedoms.
We do live in 'interesting times' and it's a shame. I remember it wasn't too long ago when you would never hear politicians endorsing terrorism or talking negatively about our own country. The seeds of communism have been planted far and wide in America and it's disgusting to see so many people being fine with that. Good talking to you!
Back then you had to be hard. There is no "My feelings is hurt" in war
none of that `hurt feelings' crap mattered, all that mattered was that got your ass-end out of there alive and in one piece. though many didn't.
As a retired Marine, I respect this movie mostly for Gunny Ermey who was a real DI in our beloved Corps. May he rest in peace.
I imagine that screaming at soldiers during training is teaching them to be calm under stress, and not to react to personal offense.
insults are easier to take than a live round, Focus under pressure,
It has many purposes. Basic was a lot of stress but in some weird way a lot of fun too.
Yep 2 months of someone screaming at you and you'll never flinch again
“I grew up in the military” lol what branch ?? Air force ? I know it wasn’t the marine corps 😂😂
its just to break people down. thats pretty much it
All my staff NCO's were Korean and Vietnam combat veterans. The training seems harsh but it made me appreciate being an American.
Thank you for your service...
I was never in the Marine Corps, but. I have always had a special place in my heart for those that have served in the USMC. Not only have I always revered the Marines as the toughest bastards in the military, but god damn, you guys have the sharpest uniforms that were ever designed.
A United States Marine is the absolute definition of dignified, at least in my eyes. Thank you for your service!!
Some of my drill sergeants were Vietnam vets. I didn't appreciate them at all. They can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
My father was a drill sergeant just like that, his men hated him ,but when they came back from Vietnam they thanked him for teaching them to survive
Its the most important job in the corps.
I did the same fir my DS, I am friends wiht him to this day.
My dad was a private in the Marines during the Vietnam War and the DI portrayal is accurate he always told me. When he got to be a sergeant himself, he was talking to his platoons the same way. When he got out, the language cleaned up but the attitude was still there. Once a Marine, always a Marine!!
The DI was an actual Marine and DI
My dad too, 1967. Unfortunately he learned the language and attitude well and raised us kids that way a lot of the time! Hard growing up that way, but I have great respect for him as a Marine, however. Great respect for all Marines, especially from the Vietnam era.
Semper Fi, Marine!
She stayed in a perpetual state of shock. lol!
FMJ would not survive in 2020, love these old films.
nope too many soft shells,and too many tender feelings
@@jesspryce5025 you mean like 5 losers on Twitter
Switch the races, if the DI was black, and all the people he was yelling at were white, the insults could still be used in 2021
Sweat bad breath All of it
Served in the US Army between 2009-2013, as an officer, and seeing civilians react to training treatment is amusing. Take it from me, if you cannot cut it during basic training, then the life in the field isn't for you. You eventually get used to the insults, and after some time, you're desensitized to crudeness lol.
see for me I am glad I am one of the people that wouldn't be able to serve in the military due to my already present mental health problems with PTSD, depression and anxiety, not to mention adhd and my autism (yes I am sure some people who are autistic could cut it in the military), and it's not that I wouldn't wanna serve I honestly used to want to until I found out they wouldnt take me since my grandmother was a combat nurse in vietnam, I couldn't imagine how I'd do going into basic already having PTSD from years of abuse (physical, verbal and emotional) from my mom, anytime I hear someone yell I immediately wanna flinch cuz I think I'm gonna get hit or I wanna hide to prevent getting the hell beat out of me. I give all due respect though to anyone who currently serves and who has served in the past
You werent an officer. If you were you would be more intelligent.
You guys have to understand. those men may be forced to move forward and attack a situation in which they will be killed. these men must follow orders even in the situation that they will die horribly. they get broken down to nothing then built back into marines. This is what makes a man charge an enemy machine gun with no regaurd for his own life. Men that go through this fight for the man next to them. understand that
I went through Marine Recruit Training on Parris Island in the early 1980s, a few years before that movie was made. My Senior Drill Instructor was just like Gunny Hartmen. Its not a joke.
They do that to mentally condition the recruit, to make them mentally hard, get them to think when things are going on around them, to break that shell of civilianhood, help them create a personal awareness.
This is how they make Marines...and we are proud of it!
Full Metal Jacket starts with 25 minutes of screaming and cursing and is great to watch.
I'd rather have someone toughen me up with insults than be coddled and completely unprepared for an enemy with no remorse.
watching the ladies reactions in a span of 5 mins just shows the range of emotion and genius kubrick can wade you through hahaha.
You didn’t grow up “in the military”, you grew up NEAR it. Soldiers have to be able to look at another human being through a rifle sight and be able to pull the trigger so the guy next to them doesn’t get killed. You have to dehumanize a person to some extent for them to be able to do that. This also makes them a team, they have a common focus. It’s all done for a reason, to keep them alive.
Old comment but yeah pretty much, they could feel comfortable and relaxed but die in a few weeks or months. Or they could feel very uncomfortable and push through it and be able to live 50 more years. It will also be a lot more brutal when those guys go from being relaxed with everyone talking nice to ten people screaming at eachother with explosions going off and seeing chunks of bodies or blood. If they aren't mentally prepared then you will see people completely mentally break and if they survive they will be fucked forever. This gives a chance for mental fortitude training so that they can hopefully stay strong and go home to a normal life after. Being eased into war vs throwing you into the deep end and seeing if you drown.
My dad went through boot in 77. He says this the most accurate depiction of boot camp ever
I'm late too the party here, but I went through basic in 2006. They definitely weren't really allowed to punch or get physical with you, although it did happen at times. But cursing and yelling happened constantly. It's Basic training not daycare
They just waited for a live range, or pre live range training.
2:56 The look on her face is Priceless.
Tell me you got in the rest of the movie, right? The second half sheds light on the first half... Training through hell, to prepare to survive a worse hell.
Train hard...fight easy
@@georgemartin1436
Just as Suvorov said it
Nothing personal but unfortunately it's that kind of sentiment that changed the way training is done in the military and has weakened it. I had 3 drills just like this and as tough as they were i wouldn't have changed anything. The military needs more drills like this. That's the best way to weed out the ones not mentally tough to be infantry and go to war. A platoon is only as strong as their weakest member.
Problem is they were drafted. You're not gonna send a conscript home no matter what, so you just break him to break him and nothing more
I didn't go to the Marines but went Army. Treatment was very close to this in my era. They told us that we're never going to forget our Drill Sergeants names and they were correct.
After BCT I knew why they did it and never forgot. Imagine what and how the enemies of our country will do to us as Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Seamen if captured? I toughened up and to this day shake my head at what the Clinton era did and softened up the U.S.military. That guy never served 🙄. Thank you Drill Sergeants Meis, Geotz and Harris... I made it thru 25+ yrs serving our country.
God bless America 🇺🇸‼️
You'll be hurting but your weakness wont get coddled here especially on Parris Island
Keep this in mind. The harsh treatment is purposeful. 1. The idea that you will improve yourself to earn praise instead of insults. 2. If you can't hack being insulted and slightly roughed up in a stable setting, what is going to happen to you in the field where it is not stable, and how is the enemy going to treat you.
To quote the movie Fury: "Ideals are peaceful. History is violent." Boot camp is the first lesson in making this come to life. Especially during war time.
The yelling and screaming is about far more than motivation.
Its preparing people for war...for dealing with the worst possible experiences possible.
Boot camo breaks everyone down to the same level...nothing, regardless of race, religion, backgroup.
It teaches extreme efficiency and coordinated teamwork from step one.
Theres no time in war to get your feelings hurt and get offended when bullets are flying and bodies dropping.
The DI acting this way serves multiple purposes. It teaches how to perform under stress, gives motivation, and forces them to learn to work together, almost like the DI becomes “the enemy” and they have to rely on each other the way they would in a real world situation. There’s no room for sensitivity in the military, despite what congress has been trying to do lately.
Our hardcore warriors need that kind of talking to. It helps to order men into battle so they don't hesitate. The USMC has a phd in how to kill and break things.
Semper Fi
First thing you gotta realize they had only 6 weeks to make fearless obedient killers so the US gave them leway to do this to speed things up
They still curse. 24hours in a day and they spend 18 hours of it on your neck. They don't need to curse. They're masterful at breaking you down without cursing. But they do.
You guys have some good conversations regarding what goes in in the clip and both of you make good points. As a Marine (84-90), I can tell you that two of the main reasons the drill instructors speak to the recruits the way they do is 1. Instant response. The goal is to condition the recruit to respond to and obey a command from instantly, without hesitation. Every aspect of boot camp is presented from the point of view of, "what if this situation comes up while you are on the battlefield"? Even a second of hesitation could mean your death and/or your fellow Marine's death. And 2. What if you're captured. From the very beginning of the Marine Corps (the Corps is actually older than our country!), it has been considered the "tip of the spear" of our military. We are almost always the first to go into enemy territory (especially when it comes to ground forces). So that increases the likelyhood of capture. Marine Corps philosophy is to "toughen you up", mentally and physically, in order to increase the likelihood that you'll survive capture. And history has proven that to be true; Marines have statistically been shown to be more likely to live through being a POW.
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They certainly try to break you, but what do you think the enemy will do to you if you’re captured?
Think of it this way. Gunnery Ermey had a few weeks to get these recruits up to a level of training where they didn’t die in the first day in Viet Nam. Drill Instructors had to read reports of the guys they trained, dying over there. So if they felt that a punch in the gut or harsh language might get the recruit to focus and be better, that’s what they would do.
Question: Did anyone one of you guy go to any of the US Armed Force Basic Training? Well, nowadays, you MAY not experience the language, but years ago, it was a different story for those who went to basic training. Only difference is the physical touching of Drill Sergeants was kept to a minimum. No punching.
When you walk through the gates of Parris Island for the first time you are definitely sweating.
Pyle represents recruits that were part of a program (can't remember the name of it) where the military allowed people in that weren't physically and/or mentally fit for service. Also, the actor that played him had to gain 80lbs in a very short time, since he was in way too good of shape.
Project 100 000 or "McNamara's Morons" by the more common name.
At that time the Marines where suffering so many casualties in Vietnam the boot camp was reduced from 3months to 2 and 8 weeks isn't time enough to turn a civilian into a professional Military man unless you push things to the extrema. This kind of training brought a lot of men back home and kept them alive.
Im a Navy brat and growing up we lived on Navy and Marine bases. I had a lot of friends whos dad was a Marine. And they were JUST like this. But you did respect them and knew they would have their kids' back if a teacher or someone else was being unfair. Marines are very hard but they are also very fair.
This is the way they should still train, my Drill was just like this and he weeded out the ones that wouldn't make it. If you grew up in the military it couldn't have been in the ARMY or Marines, cause up to the 90's they still trained this way. It became pc and went to shit because everyone suddenly got they feelings hurt. Nothing but pu**ies nowadays.
Gunny knows that these men are going to a nasty, dirty war. He's doing his best to toughen them up, and teach them to survive.
Agreed.. Plus judging by the Tet offensive base attack we see later, this movie took place during 1968, it was really heating up..If they made a movie like this during this day and age we'll have many weakling not seeing this point..And will probably cancel the shit out of this movie..
i love this back and forth with you two. She's particularly great.
Gomer Pyle had the real war face in this movie.
While Hartman was delivering Verbal Abuse, it was abuse with a purpose: Use verbal insults and harsh instruction to challenge their per-established beliefs surrounding their mental psyche, strip them of all pride and confidence and once its achieved, as if they were little more than a stack of legos, help them rebuild a better version of said psyche.
Thought process is break u so they can reform mind
I like how you keep looking back at her to see the reaction. Im the same way with movies I show people haha
If you can't handle being yelled at, then there is no way you're going to be able to handle being shot at.
This world needs more gunny’s.
even back then DI's werent supposed to physically assault you. that being said i know some people trained around that time and they know people who were screwups who did get beaten by their DI's.
gi jane also depicts people being assaulted
My Drill Instructor insulted my Grandma right before destroying the Barracks and giving us one minute to clean it up
The way he can just waterfall off insults is amazing.
She did not grow up in the military.
love when he says you are ALL equally worthless !! 🤣🤣
I love it! I went through US ARMY infantry basic at ft benning in the 80s. You get this if you've been a recruit yourself! Awesome Drill instructor
Got to make you hard. If you loose your cool from a word then how are you going to react to seeing your friend die? If you can't handle yelling how will you handle gunfire and explosions? Their job is to beat you down and your job is to keep standing. Seems harsh at the time but once you get out you realize it did make you stronger. Insults are just words. Words can't hurt you. Keep your head cool and you always have the advantage in any situation.
Training for war or hell same thing. Need to bring out tougher than tough. Has to be done.
Everyone I know who was in the military says the same thing. Nothing the drill instructor says is personal, every insult they throw at you is meant to test your mental toughness because if some saying a racial slur towards you causes you to break you then you don't have what it takes to serve in combat
Yeah, the whole purpose of basic training is to introduce some controlled stress to a person. If you can't handle this then its not worth the government's time/money to train you any further for the possibility of being in combat.
UA-cam refused to let me post the whole comment. Try turning CC on and see what I see. Thank God they are protecting us from words. Who is protecting us from them? So, as a person with hearing disabilities, I'm stuck with 1 part Bleeps and 1 part guessing game what is said.
Feelings have no place in the Marine corps. You either suck it up or go home.
God forbid we train killers to protect our country and not soyboys. I like the reaction, I understand her aversion. This is who protects you though, and you DON'T want them soft. Semper Fi.
"How would YOU motivate them?"
Ex-act-ly.
Hugs maybe? Cookies? Trophies for everybody?
They were training warriors.
By not starting wars that need this kind of training, where the "tough" ones make it through just to kill innocent people, and people who question or feel shame are weeded out or worse like with Pyle. By keeping our "defense" budget limited to actual defense. If there is ever a military attack on US soil people will be motivated by the need to save their families and actually defend the country, not just to continue meddling overseas, I have no doubt.
For now though kids are far more at risk from problems at home than any foreign power, they go to school with Pyle type kid who has access to his dad's gun and is bullied just like you see in the movie, these are the risks today. Sure we should still thank our veterans for our safety but if this "freedom" means bombing kids overseas then what are we really doing here? They complain "oh you've gotten soft," well then let us get hard again, stop starting wars overseas and let's see what happens, I mean it, the day we are truly under attack and not the aggressors is the day we will see unity and everyone backing the military. We can thank our veterans without condoning the horrors of war or the inhumane tactics used to get young men to fight unjust wars because the causes were not motivating enough in and of themselves.
@@emmabrown2746Assuming you've finished your diatribe:
1)You overestimate the fighting ability and motivation of large swathes of the populace who need safe spaces and crying rooms if they hear something they dint like so they can hide and gargle their soy lattes.
2) Si Vis Pace, Para Bellum. Anything else is just plain stupid and suicidal.
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Thank you for your response. Diatride continues here...
1) We are absolutely soft and over-consumptive, and the military industrial complex enables it like an entitled parent spoiling its child. Countries and peoples fear the U.S. and our allies, allowing us to exploit them and control a disproportionate amount of the worlds wealth and resources, which leads to, among other things, "guzzling soy lattes."
In a true crisis though I stand by the ability for people to adapt and change very quickly. My great grandpa was textbook "soft" guy on paper- a sociology professor at a small liberal arts college with no military training. He ended up willingly and enthusiastically joining WWII and dying for his country though, uprooting his whole life to do so very quickly.
2) How you prepare depends on what war you are preparing for. Also, we aren't just "preparing" and in wait, we are attacking constantly, causing 310K+ civilian casualties alone in the last two decades. The US been at war for hundreds of years with next to no break.
@@emmabrown2746 Apologies if the "diatribe" comment ruffled any feathers. I do agree with you on one level.. I do believe we have fought too many wars for too long. And frequently for the wrong reasons. I just believe the world is unendingly dangerous and we have to be prepared and vigilant and carry the biggest stick.
I do still disagree with you however on the ability of the present populace to rise to the occasion if necessary. Obviously there will be a core of competents, but the %ages have declined since the days of my grandparents, parents and my own era. I have to refer again to the 17 18 & 19 yr olds who need safe spaces crying rooms stuffed animals and counselors if someone says something that offends their delicate sensitivities. Unfortunately their numbers are legion .. and they are not the type to run to the sound of battle if our land is invaded. They would be more likely to collaborate with the invaders and turn on the resisting citizens. (I'm sticking with your defense-only scenario here).
We may just have to agree to disagree on some points here.
Again my regrets that we got off to a contentious thing here. 😏
@@quentinmichel7581 I thought it was funny honestly I meant it tongue in cheek- I know I'm long winded hah. I see what you mean here esp about needing to be prepared. I think you underestimate the younger generation some, but maybe time will tell.
I was in Marine boot camp in 1984 MCRD San Diego Cal, and it was exactly like this, except we had 3 drill instructors screaming at us.
Back then eople were drafted into the Navy, Army, or Air Force. People volunteered to join the Marines when they got that draft letter.
boot camp is kinder than war.
Who do you want going to war to save your liberties? A warrior or a PC correct...I'll leave it to you to fill in the blank
This was Sand Hill Fort Benning GA 11bravo. It's just a process now it's different with cell phone and red cards. Remember Combat arms are legal serial killers.
He was really a drill instructor for several years during Vietnam...
I loved boot camp never laughed so much I would do it again a hundred times over
Yeah you need to make it as stressful as possible so when recruits inevitably end up in a combat situation they are a) desensitized to chaos and b) have been equally abused and have built up a comradery, respect and trust amongst themselves so they can fight in a more effective manner.
Went through Navy boot camp, spot on.
She should hear how we Marines speak on a daily basis f-bombs are the prequiste to our conversations
If you weren’t a sh.. bird in boot camp, it was like a comedy. The drill instructors were the funniest people I’ve ever come across.
Great review! I really appreciate the different viewpoints you brought up.
I went through paris island in 1981 and that is the way the drill instructors were like except for one thing. There were 4 or 5 of them yelling and screaming at us
You think these recruits are being abused? It's a day in Disneyland compared to Vietnam.
He really was a drill sergeant in the marines
I went through Army boot in 1983 and I had 2 tough Vietnam era DI’s and you respected them and you will never forget their names .
I love this shit!!!! Drill Sergeant was awesome
This depiction is the closet thing to actual Marine Corps boot camp, (Parris Island, S.C.) I went to Parris Island for boot training in 1963, honorable discharged in 1967. Actual boot camp was a little more intense and rougher than this movie. Sgt. E.R.M.
Perhaps you can give them all a cuddle and say "it's ok the nasty man didn't mean it.......What the snowflakes need today is tough love.......
That was only a little of what we dealt with in 1968 at MCRD in California during the Vietnam training era.
I can't imagine this guy talking to school principal 😹
Break them down and build them back up.
If you cannot handle the insults, cursing, and racial slurs then you cannot handle Vietnam and you have no business going there. You need to go home.
In Basic Training of all branches... You need to breakdown the recruits in order to build them back up in the mold that fits the branch. In the Army & Marines, they are front line people that will see a lot of death and destruction. In the Airforce and Navy they are more technical in nature so the breakdown of recruits is different and not as severe. It all serves a purpose. Thanks to the new generations of cry babies we have people coming out of their respective basic trainings not passing their physical fitness training and not liking to be yelled at because it stresses them out and they can't handle it. Thx that's going to protect a nation.
It's on purpose, they WANT the nation to crumble, and they know that by using the civilian's best and only real weapon: complaining
That was the most beautiful thing to ever see that is family that is honor
What's PTO?
There is no excuse, and no excuse is no excuse.
You grew up in the Military?! really?! and you're saying they don't deserve that? They're being prepared for war, which by the way is more ruthless than 100x what you see or hear here.
I was a Drill Sergeant from 86 to 88. We never hit them but we were masters in coming up with stuff to say.
"Just because somebody is yelling at you doesn't mean you have to take it." In 1968, at Parris Island recruit training, it meant exactly that.
I went to San Diego in 85. 4 DIs and they all yelled at you. They had 12 weeks to get rid of 18 years of bad habits and turn you into a disciplined Marine. Not an easy feat.
USAF 1984-1987. One thing to remember is any branch you served they would strip you of being weak and make you the best. Take all your pride and build you into what was needed.
You have to remember that they are preparing them for war and war is nothing but raw emotion on exposed nerves
You both are hilarious
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