I've heard people say "well you can see her slowly turning bad" or "showing she was going mad" but I don't see it. Throughout the show she never hurt people just because she "felt" like it or for petty reasons like cersie, usually the people were actively trying to kill her or had done something to hurt her or her people. It made sense that towards the end she was being less merciful, I mean at the end of the day it was a war that was killing her soldiers and hurting her dragons. She still gave people the option to surrender. It was bad writing for her to suddenly want to kill innocent people. I would have understood if she had decided to kill cersie even after she surrendered cuz she had killed her closest friend but how could she go from "I want to help people and free the innocents" to "nah f*ck everyone".
I don't read the books, and although i agree with you, i can see the story going like that and still make sense. I just hate the way they get there in the show.... so stupid
I do understand you’re coming from,but a couple of times she has mentioned burning cities to the ground,only to be talked out of such actions by people she trusted,3 of whom were dead,she had lost faith in Tyrion,and grey worm is a soldier who will carry out his queen’s wishes without question. John in her eyes betrayed her. Like I said I get the frustration and in my view 3 more episodes would have perhaps helped in making it more palatable her sudden shift from liberator to conqueror.
I always thought that Arya was here in this episode to learn firsthand the suffering that comes from cruelty. She’d become a pretty cold assassin, taking lives easily, and the white horse at the end seemed like a symbol to allow her to get some innocence back and to turn away from violence.
@@zrzkylol wow i guess hamas must be wealthier than even america then, to be so abundantly overflowing with weaponry that they've apparently got every single building in palestine stashed full of them. TIL!
i think most people knew that the show would not end with Dany as the good guy. but the problem is, they wanted it to be a "shocking twist" instead of properly taking her character there naturally. and that just made it feel stupid and unearned.
My biggest thing was always that we didn't get a transition that made it believable Dany would slaughter surrendering innocents. All the people she slaughtered before were people she believed had wronged her or had harmed innocents, and they certainly weren't surrendering. Sure, she'd been bloodthirsty before and that could have led up to this, but the fact that up until now she'd only ever gone on about protecting innocents and getting vengeance on her enemies makes it jarring that she makes this choice. If they hadn't rang the bells, maaaaybe you could argue she still felt like they were standing against her, but damn, they had just surrendered! Just crazy jarring to get there
Dany gets a lot of grief for this episode but I understand why she did what she did, kinda. Even though she helped kill the night king she was still being treated as an outsider. I think Lord Tarley refusing to bend the knee hurt her too. Even though she’s a Targaryen she’s being treated coldly and not welcoming at all. She’s lost 2 dragons and Missandei and Jorah. Lady Olenna told her to be the dragon because Olenna understood what it would take to defeat Cersei. Missandei’s last word was dracarys. I don’t hate Dany as much as everyone else does.
From early on in the series they eluded to the streak of madness that is in the Targareyan bloodline. It is also mentioned in the books by several characters in different books as well. There is an adage in the story that goes “ when a Targaryen is born the Gods flip a coin” and there were hints of that dark side of the blood in Dany in the series.
Dany isn’t the only one who lost multiple friends and family. Almost everyone has but they don’t have a dragon to avenge and go burn down a city lol. She didn’t handle that well at all
Dany's craziness definitely made sense to me. You could see it developing since season 1. She never had a problem with torching people who went against her, the only difference was that those people were considered "evil" under the circumstances. Also, Essos was full of slaves, so of course, when she freed them, they were going to love and worship her. In my opinion, she developed a bit of a hero complex. Unfortunately for her, in Westeros, there were no slaves, no people to liberate, everyone already had people that they were loyal to (mainly the Starks) and she didn't like that. Like she said "I have no love here. Only fear." She had a very "You're either with me, or against me" attitude, and because the people of King's Landing weren't with her, she didn't really care if she burned them all. Of course losing her dragons, Jorah and Missandei didn't help matters.
Dany said in Quarth season 2 when my dragons are grown we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground lol , now the show did it too fast but it was always coming, I also think 8x3 was the main end of the story the last 3 episodes are just rushed epilogue
This episode was highly upsetting for me. The finale just naturally follows from this episode. People may hate the finale, but this is the one I really hate. Probably the angriest I’ve ever been while watching a show.
I love this strong theory. D&D rushed GoT final two season. Cause they had a big movie deal with star wars. But because the last two season were bad. Their star wars deal fell thru. Important lesson here: take your time and finish strong.
I get why Dany saw red and wanted revenge. But I don't get why she didn't fly directly to the red keep and burn that down, but instead decided to take the scenic route killing every one in her path - a lot of friendlies included. How could she have know Jon or Greyworm weren't in one of the many streets she burned? I would buy that she didn't care about colleteral damage among civilians, but not her own army.
Just in case people forgot Cersei drowned her friend in a well for having a crush on Jaime. That the show would try to pretend she was a victim or deserving of sympathy is laughable. In the end she got what she deserved. I’m not going to mention the canon abuse Robert committed against her because from the shows POV that never happened. Cersei is vile and I will always have more sympathy for dany even with this ending
I think that in the climax of "Cleganebowl", Sandor realized at that moment that his brother had become, essentially, a wight, and lacking dragonglass or Valyrian steel, fire was the only solution, so he made sure that there was no way for him to escape the fire by sacrificing himself to be certain he had no exit.
59:26 Thank you Blake for being one of the few reactors on UA-cam who has pointed out that this madness and butchering innocents arc/fate is in direct opposition to the core of her character. It was so refreshing to see someone finally say it.
Corey was spot-on... had she gone straight for the Red Keep instead of torching the entire city, it would have been understandable. Her fight was with Cersei, not everyone in the city. There were a lot of great scenes, great moments, and some amazing cinematography in this, but in far too many cases D&D and the writers must have checked their logic at the door. Far too much of GRRM's great foreshadowing want unresolved or ignored.
I appreciate how kindly Igli speaks even for irredeemable characters and how unique his perspective is. Keep up the good work gentlemen. I agree with you both. Cersei has always had a "you win or you die" mindset. She's been going all in since the very beginning. She would never gracefully step down. At the same time, she's constantly had her back against the wall. Even her most evil choices were usually done under the threat of her or her family.
That is not true Blake that the scorpions would not touch Drogon. In 7 x 4 during the Spoils of War, Bronn almost takes down Drogon with one spear and in this episode suddenly Drogon becomes the Flash and manage to avoid thousands of spears launched at him. None of it made sense.
I think its crazy to think Cersei's "one redeeming quality is the love she has for children". every single one of her kids dies because of her actions...except for maybe Joffrey. He was a monster. But even then, she put him on the Thone and if he wasnt there no one would have reason to kill him. so yeah, i stand by what i said.
I will die on the hill that Myrcella's death is 1000% not Cersei's fault. She chose her champion well before she knew who Tyrion's defender would be, and Oberyn volunteered by himself, in a fight to the death, and lost fair and square. Ellaria + the Snakes seeking vengeance against a fair fight, much less against a blameless child, is the pinnacle of stupidity.
Blake channeling his inner Sokka at the end. "But the effects were decent" Also, something that gets lost in all the chaos of the episode that Igli may not have pieced together: At the beginning, Dany was indeed the "she" who wouldn't eat. Varys tells the little bird we'll try again...try what, exactly? Nourish the person he's afraid of, or...?
The show trying to make Cersei a victim was laughable. Dany was way more of a victim than Cersei ever was but you’re not allowed to say that because dragon lady bad
I agree. Never felt bad for Cersei. Some people did on her walk of atonement and I didn’t because she was still hiding her incest. The only time I felt a smidge of empathy was when she ran down to the bay to see Myrcella and she was already dead.
I didn’t have an issue with Daenerys doing what she did, it had been telegraphed for seasons, we saw glimpses of her dark side numerous times, it did not shock me at all and a part of me laughed because i could imagine all the stans losing their minds and that was hilarious to me. The argument that she wouldn’t do it just doesn’t fly with me, that would be like saying Anakin would never become Darth Vader, there are so many parallels between Anakin and Daenerys. I don’t have an issue with the plot line itself, it’s the writing and execution of it that I didn’t like and it was all part of the 3 eyed ravens plan to get her out of the picture to leave the throne free for himself to be crowned, that’s why he was pulling the strings and being the puppet master, knowing full well that it would send her over the edge, he was kind of the Palpatine of the story
I totally get it and as a huge Jamie fan I expected and hoped his arc would go differently but i was surprisingly okay how it played out but with that said I think it could be true that Jamie both did and didn't care about the innocent people of King's landing when he took out the mad King because ultimately in those moments Jamie was saving his OWN life along with everyone else's and by doing so he obviously earned the street cred of saving innocent lives regardless if he cared or not he still earned the right to use that as his justification and reasoning... Could the show have done a better job at clarifying his exact thoughts and reasoning on such subjects ?yes but I personally feel I know the character well enough from the show to at least buy into that he both cared but didn't care, again it was just in the heat of the moment where his leader was about to destroy everything and everyone and Jamie wasn't about that lol Jamie's departure from winterfell in episode 4 is something I was also okay with when Jamie's sitting in front of the fire and the cameras spinning around him I'm thinking about what Jamie's thinking about and that being all the reasons he should leave and shouldn't leave and that ultimately he chose cersei because if he left her and their unborn child to die then everything horrible that he had done for her and that he himself then endured the consequences of all would have been for nothing and because like cersei said in season 5 he's a" Man of action" always acting on instinct regardless of the consequences so it works for me🤷🤣
I would love to see you guys do The Expanse: the writers have a connection to GRRM and while the show is very different from GoT, it has all the best of what GoT had in the beginning. Political intrigue, people vying for power, freaking amazing character development, amazing actors, and the best part….a satisfying ending:
seconding The Expanse! i think they do characters nuance and little stories about “smallfolk” really well, i love how much time they devote to showing how the common people are affected by the wars of the powerful
I get it that some of us were upset with the final season. I personally felt they had peaked at season four as far as great writing. I decided to just enjoy the action and the visuals as they were still great. By season eight I had lowered my expectations enough to not be outraged at the finished product. How much of a story could they tell in six episodes? I just rode it out in appreciation for the four wonderful seasons they gave us. I just don't feel the need to be disrespectful. I moved on to other shows that seemed to suffer the same fate.
Re: Dany never taking it out on innocents... there were at couple of times that at best might be considered "gray areas"... when she crucified the 162 (or thereabouts) masters as punishment for the ones they had crucified on the road to Mereen, it seems that it might have been 162 randomly chosen ones (if Hizdar can be believed that his father opposed it), killing a few innocents among the guilty. And the seemingly randomly selected guy she fed to her dragons to send the masters a message... it wasn't a case of singling out someone who had clearly done something wrong, he was just pulled out of line and thrown to the dragons. Most of her early arc was clearly one of being on the side of the oppressed and righting wrongs, but in at least those two cases, we saw a glimmer of what became a meaningless massacre on steroids. It didn't help that the rush to get to the end that D&D imposed on the late seasons sacrificed (among other things) a strong narrative on how she was slowly starting to lose her mind.
Agreed. And there were several times where she threatened fire and blood to her enemies but was only talked out of it by her advisors and people she trusted. By the time the bells ring in King's Landing, she has no more advisors that she trusts to guide her away from her impulses. The signs were always there.
Daenerys been a tyrant since the beginning. She was just slaughtering slave owners so we were on her side. Her character is super interesting for that reason. Throughout the entire series her default position when people are not acting as she commands has been to murder them all. Since the beginning it was only her advisors that prevented earlier atrocities.
I'm with you, Danny has never killed any innocent people, especially children. People justify what they saw coming because they kill Sam's father and brother, they are at war and they have been given two options! follow danny or go to the wall. They say she kills with dragons and that's worse, why? I don't agree with Varys' death even though he was not only sending letters, he was also trying to poison her, what should I do? thank you? If her madness had developed more I would buy it, but not like this. Also, at the moment when everything starts to burn, Danny is never seen again, I still think it is because it is impossible to show her and for what is happening to be coherent. a destruction of character. The worst thing is that he is not the only character destroyed in this season, a shame
Dig deep into her breaker of chains role. Westeros always says they have no slavery, but they do. You saw it with the wildlings. You cannot be in westeros without bending the knee and fighting for a king. Aegon forged that wheel and now that the prophecy is fulfilled, daenerys breaks the wheel
Cersi would never take the gift of going to a peaceful place. She'd still believe she was better than anyone else living there & start making plans to take control. She'd be bored to death in a peaceful place. She's just evil. And she'd be evil anywhere you put her. Plus, she'd hate you for taking her there! 🙄
43:10 - At some point - that I can't remember when they even started doing this - the characters could not shut it about Danny NOT being like her father. 'she is not her father' a billion times. WELL, mAyBe sHe IS! Just one more element due to the horrible writing and fate of this amazing show. And Blake, I feel you. Rhaegal's death was beyond absurd. I remember starting the show only because of people talking about dragons, and I f love dragons 😂 also 37:40 'Arise, ye Tarnished' cracked me up, Corey
I'm not picky about much. When it came to GOT, as long as I was being entertained, I was happy. I was aware everything felt rushed, but I was already bummed it was coming to an end. The thing I couldnt forgive was the assassination of character they gave Jamie. 8 seasons of the best character arc that made no sense at the end.
Yeh, but at least 2-3 times Dany had to be talked down from flying off to cause destruction. 1, when she came back to Meeren to Tyrion running it down. She wanted to go burn the Masters up. He talked her down. 2, After Dorn was attacked she wanted to go burn Kings Landing. Jon talked her down. She wasn't this non violent person.
I understand completely. These characters bad and good are so complex. Tyrion, Tywin, and Cersei could’ve been a formidable source if they didn’t hate each other. 🙁
From season 8 I like episode 1 and 2. And I like history and lore. I also like the effects, some camarashots, the music,…. Nothing of the plot, characters,…
There's no such thing as a tempered crash out...why do folks act surprised when the worst ish happens when folks crash out?! Also, I was thinking after watching this reaction...I haven't actually seen this episode live and through various reaction vids in years...when Jon is having that conversation with Dany. He says "You are my queen..." I can totally see how Dany would take this comment as a slight. I mean compared to Drogo. As messed up as Drogo was, he really loved Dany and wasn't afraid to show it. Jon? I mean I'm sure a part of her was comparing the two men, as women tend to. I understand what drove Jon to his feelings toward Dany at this point, but Jon (we can also compare his relationship with Ygritte to his relationship to Dany here)? It's all about duty and supporting his queen despite their opposing views. There is no love in his declaration and she knows it. Dany wanted Jon's unconditional love and support something she demands from her subjects. Jon is no subject but a king. This is not at all excusing Dany's behavior up to and past this point. She's gone paranoid and off the rails for sure and she can't get comfort and reassurance from anywhere. All of that is gone. Also, how can you feel as if Dany was betrayed by Varys if he ended up being right? I mean, being a Varys fan myself my opinion.
Anyone who’s a Varys fan is a weirdo especially when the show twisted itself into knots so he could be a hero. Varys let a lot of terrible things happen just so he could claim innocence later, complete trash character
People always say Cersis one redeeming quality is that she loves her children, she is so selfish to care of about anyone, she does things over and over again that hurts them, and she does nothing to help them,
Completely agree with Igli in that I never freaking understood how Jaime became completely incompetent as a warrior after he lost his hand. For one thing being this skilled does not just have to do for his hand. Jaime was a great fighter in every way, he was agile, had quickness and was strong and so forth. In his prime he was pretty dominant. Also I am Right-Handed myself but I collect swords and I have been able to manipulate swords with my left hand and do good work with it. Especially the smaller lighter swords. Who can do plenty of damage. And they should have given Jaime a dagger on where his right hand was.
I don’t know why some people acted shocked when Daenerys burned kings landing cause she literally said in season 2 she was going to burnt cities to the grown… AND the Lannisters killer her best friend and one of her dragons so…
We've reacted to House of the Dragon twice! And once with Igli right before season 2 so he could watch along with us! ua-cam.com/play/PLul83EmpgR1oKkwyo0-0Dszfw717RFSB8.html
Just when I think I can watch it again.. I'm still mad about the whole episode.. Arya promised us she was going to kill Cersei! I wanted to see the look on Cersei's face when Arya appears in front of her damn it.. Arya killing the Night King was dumb, he wasn't on her list but Cersei was, right from the beginning Joffrey then Cersei. She was so close arrrrgggh !! Varys!! omg I'm so mad about that too.. I've seen the table reading and Conliffe was pissed as was the actor for Barriston Selmy. I think Lena had to be pissed with her ending as well which is so ridiculous, she did such a good job of making us hate her, she deserved to die much better. Yes I can understand why Dany was going down the path she was, but it was so quick most people didn't see it coming and couldn't digest it ... burning innocent people and children no way, she didn't even have to fight her way to the red keep she just had to fly to it.. I hate the whole episode.
Danny became douche moment the character they all invested whole season and she proved she is daughter of mad king slaps to all of them invested on danny in GOT
Just Watched Episode 1 Of Birdgerton, Just Because I Know That’s What You Guys Will Be Watching After GOT. Please Tell Me You Guys Didn’t Actually Choose That Over Supernatural? 😭😫
Cersei doesn’t have any redeemable qualities….. literally not one. She’s a TERRIBLE mother. She was told from childhood that her children would be taken from her and she did absolutely nothing to protect them. The closest she did was sending Cella away…. WHICH SHE DIDNT WANT TO DO
Blake just hates for the sake of hating… yeah it’s a shit conclusion, but saying that Varys didn’t approach Daenerys about the situation is dumb and dumber all over again… even Corey tries pulling you up there, but ignore because you rehearse the mic drop👏 You should be considered to write the GoT movie, Blake 🤦♂️
It's honestly so goofy how fast this happened. Showrunners really shouldve just handed the show over to someone else, but they wanted to be the sole writers for the show & wanted to get to Star Wars as fast as possible. And then they were quietly fired from that, lol.
Varys left the rings behind because he knew his time was up. He knew that the guards were coming for him to take him to his execution. Cersei has limited maternal ...it's conditional. She loves her kids as long as they don't interfere with her machinations. She didn't care two cents when Tommen offed himself and if she did it was brief and didn't last long. I always think of her reaction to Tommen's death and the episode when she saw the witch out in the woods where she received the prophecy about her kids. Her whole attitude seems to be easily overlooked because she supposedly loves her kids so much...when she's constantly shown that her love of her kids is cap. Again, it's conditional. Also, I hate it that it felt like the show catered to Cersei NOT being held accountable for all the wrong she's done. Just to have this cheesy icky romantic ending. I will never be able to stand behind the catering the writers consciously made to enable her reprehensible. She was like the female Ramsay/Joffrey, but she got off light. I don't care if she's a woman. I don't care if she "loves her children", whatever. Mothers can be monsters too, HELLO.
I just love how season 8 took everyone's character development and threw it straight into a fire
25:41 Blake breaking the 4th wall, staring at us, knowing whats about to go down 🤣
That look at 25:41 from Blake tells you everything you need to know about season 8😅
That "I never cared for the people , innocent or otherwise" line was awful and completely undid 7 seasons of Jamie's character development
I've heard people say "well you can see her slowly turning bad" or "showing she was going mad" but I don't see it. Throughout the show she never hurt people just because she "felt" like it or for petty reasons like cersie, usually the people were actively trying to kill her or had done something to hurt her or her people. It made sense that towards the end she was being less merciful, I mean at the end of the day it was a war that was killing her soldiers and hurting her dragons. She still gave people the option to surrender. It was bad writing for her to suddenly want to kill innocent people. I would have understood if she had decided to kill cersie even after she surrendered cuz she had killed her closest friend but how could she go from "I want to help people and free the innocents" to "nah f*ck everyone".
I don't read the books, and although i agree with you, i can see the story going like that and still make sense. I just hate the way they get there in the show.... so stupid
I do understand you’re coming from,but a couple of times she has mentioned burning cities to the ground,only to be talked out of such actions by people she trusted,3 of whom were dead,she had lost faith in Tyrion,and grey worm is a soldier who will carry out his queen’s wishes without question.
John in her eyes betrayed her.
Like I said I get the frustration and in my view 3 more episodes would have perhaps helped in making it more palatable her sudden shift from liberator to conqueror.
I get it. Dany feeling betrayed and getting crazy, out of her mind and becoming a bloody vengeance queen.
I always thought that Arya was here in this episode to learn firsthand the suffering that comes from cruelty. She’d become a pretty cold assassin, taking lives easily, and the white horse at the end seemed like a symbol to allow her to get some innocence back and to turn away from violence.
I completely agreed with Blake on this one. This was not my ending.
I love Blake “before I was rudely interrupted” 😂❤
"Then why'd you do it the first time?" Igli smashing open the plot hole instantly.
Monthly reminder that Daenerys will always be the best character in GOT! #ICON
Dani doing her best IDF impression this episode...
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cersei and the lannisters hiding behind civilians and having wildfire stored in tunnels is also very hamas like
Great comment 👍
@@zrzkydoesn’t Bibi hide behind civilians all the time and you bet your ass Israel has 100x as many tunnels as hamas!
@@zrzkylol wow i guess hamas must be wealthier than even america then, to be so abundantly overflowing with weaponry that they've apparently got every single building in palestine stashed full of them. TIL!
Thank you Blake that was sooooo satisfying😂
i think most people knew that the show would not end with Dany as the good guy. but the problem is, they wanted it to be a "shocking twist" instead of properly taking her character there naturally. and that just made it feel stupid and unearned.
My biggest thing was always that we didn't get a transition that made it believable Dany would slaughter surrendering innocents. All the people she slaughtered before were people she believed had wronged her or had harmed innocents, and they certainly weren't surrendering. Sure, she'd been bloodthirsty before and that could have led up to this, but the fact that up until now she'd only ever gone on about protecting innocents and getting vengeance on her enemies makes it jarring that she makes this choice. If they hadn't rang the bells, maaaaybe you could argue she still felt like they were standing against her, but damn, they had just surrendered! Just crazy jarring to get there
"Hindsight is quite a bitch." I very much need that embroidered on a pillow
Dany gets a lot of grief for this episode but I understand why she did what she did, kinda. Even though she helped kill the night king she was still being treated as an outsider. I think Lord Tarley refusing to bend the knee hurt her too. Even though she’s a Targaryen she’s being treated coldly and not welcoming at all. She’s lost 2 dragons and Missandei and Jorah. Lady Olenna told her to be the dragon because Olenna understood what it would take to defeat Cersei. Missandei’s last word was dracarys. I don’t hate Dany as much as everyone else does.
I don't either, but I never liked her all that much. She always showed a tyrant's instinct.
Any pains in your heart, there is no justification in burning millions alive. They had nothing to do with what happened to Dany.
Facts af...I love this. I love her and fully support her 🤷♂️
From early on in the series they eluded to the streak of madness that is in the Targareyan bloodline. It is also mentioned in the books by several characters in different books as well. There is an adage in the story that goes “ when a Targaryen is born the Gods flip a coin” and there were hints of that dark side of the blood in Dany in the series.
@@CandyNecklace6 you support her for the burning? that is some sick shit
Dany isn’t the only one who lost multiple friends and family. Almost everyone has but they don’t have a dragon to avenge and go burn down a city lol. She didn’t handle that well at all
Dany's craziness definitely made sense to me. You could see it developing since season 1. She never had a problem with torching people who went against her, the only difference was that those people were considered "evil" under the circumstances. Also, Essos was full of slaves, so of course, when she freed them, they were going to love and worship her. In my opinion, she developed a bit of a hero complex. Unfortunately for her, in Westeros, there were no slaves, no people to liberate, everyone already had people that they were loyal to (mainly the Starks) and she didn't like that. Like she said "I have no love here. Only fear." She had a very "You're either with me, or against me" attitude, and because the people of King's Landing weren't with her, she didn't really care if she burned them all. Of course losing her dragons, Jorah and Missandei didn't help matters.
Dany said in Quarth season 2 when my dragons are grown we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground lol , now the show did it too fast but it was always coming, I also think 8x3 was the main end of the story the last 3 episodes are just rushed epilogue
This episode was highly upsetting for me. The finale just naturally follows from this episode. People may hate the finale, but this is the one I really hate. Probably the angriest I’ve ever been while watching a show.
Season 8 is the beheading of the show. It's quick and ruthless.
I love this strong theory.
D&D rushed GoT final two season. Cause they had a big movie deal with star wars. But because the last two season were bad. Their star wars deal fell thru. Important lesson here: take your time and finish strong.
I get why Dany saw red and wanted revenge. But I don't get why she didn't fly directly to the red keep and burn that down, but instead decided to take the scenic route killing every one in her path - a lot of friendlies included. How could she have know Jon or Greyworm weren't in one of the many streets she burned? I would buy that she didn't care about colleteral damage among civilians, but not her own army.
I just love how complete thick brick walls just explode and shatter when you set them in fire 😂😂😂
It's dragonfire. In the lore of GoT, dragonfire is magical fire, capable of shattering and melting stone like wax. Like Aegon's burning of Harrenhal.
Just in case people forgot Cersei drowned her friend in a well for having a crush on Jaime. That the show would try to pretend she was a victim or deserving of sympathy is laughable. In the end she got what she deserved.
I’m not going to mention the canon abuse Robert committed against her because from the shows POV that never happened. Cersei is vile and I will always have more sympathy for dany even with this ending
People defending Dany's actions here will never be wild AF to me, idc. All she had to f**king do was go straight for Cersei.
Nah glad she took them all out
@@EMANUGARCright they wouldve never accepted her. She had to start fresh
I think that in the climax of "Cleganebowl", Sandor realized at that moment that his brother had become, essentially, a wight, and lacking dragonglass or Valyrian steel, fire was the only solution, so he made sure that there was no way for him to escape the fire by sacrificing himself to be certain he had no exit.
59:26 Thank you Blake for being one of the few reactors on UA-cam who has pointed out that this madness and butchering innocents arc/fate is in direct opposition to the core of her character. It was so refreshing to see someone finally say it.
Blake’s silent facial reactions to the bad writing are 👌🏽
Nope. They make me lose respect for him.
he's just letting Igli take in all the bs lmao
😂😂😂 mom once said if I have nothing good to say then don’t say anything at all! - Blake
Blake your mom is a wise woman
Corey was spot-on... had she gone straight for the Red Keep instead of torching the entire city, it would have been understandable. Her fight was with Cersei, not everyone in the city.
There were a lot of great scenes, great moments, and some amazing cinematography in this, but in far too many cases D&D and the writers must have checked their logic at the door. Far too much of GRRM's great foreshadowing want unresolved or ignored.
Corey trying so hard to be diplomatic, you can just say the episode was ass bro 😂
"It's Over right" Blake and Corey stare at the camera 😂
I appreciate how kindly Igli speaks even for irredeemable characters and how unique his perspective is. Keep up the good work gentlemen.
I agree with you both. Cersei has always had a "you win or you die" mindset. She's been going all in since the very beginning. She would never gracefully step down. At the same time, she's constantly had her back against the wall. Even her most evil choices were usually done under the threat of her or her family.
Basically Dany lost her shit when she started mowing down all of king's landing... i get why she did it.
That is not true Blake that the scorpions would not touch Drogon. In 7 x 4 during the Spoils of War, Bronn almost takes down Drogon with one spear and in this episode suddenly Drogon becomes the Flash and manage to avoid thousands of spears launched at him. None of it made sense.
I think its crazy to think Cersei's "one redeeming quality is the love she has for children".
every single one of her kids dies because of her actions...except for maybe Joffrey. He was a monster. But even then, she put him on the Thone and if he wasnt there no one would have reason to kill him. so yeah, i stand by what i said.
I will die on the hill that Myrcella's death is 1000% not Cersei's fault. She chose her champion well before she knew who Tyrion's defender would be, and Oberyn volunteered by himself, in a fight to the death, and lost fair and square. Ellaria + the Snakes seeking vengeance against a fair fight, much less against a blameless child, is the pinnacle of stupidity.
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I have one thing to say about this ep: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Blake channeling his inner Sokka at the end. "But the effects were decent"
Also, something that gets lost in all the chaos of the episode that Igli may not have pieced together: At the beginning, Dany was indeed the "she" who wouldn't eat. Varys tells the little bird we'll try again...try what, exactly? Nourish the person he's afraid of, or...?
Varys was trying to poison Dany's food.
We saw a glipse of a very young Cersei and she was horrid then. She's a terrible person now. I never had sympathy for her, ever.
The show trying to make Cersei a victim was laughable. Dany was way more of a victim than Cersei ever was but you’re not allowed to say that because dragon lady bad
I agree. Never felt bad for Cersei. Some people did on her walk of atonement and I didn’t because she was still hiding her incest. The only time I felt a smidge of empathy was when she ran down to the bay to see Myrcella and she was already dead.
@@RR64434 funnily I recall it that way for me too. Just a bit...Marcella was innocent in the Game.
NEVER! Not at any time since season, episode 1! She's been horrid the entire time!
Blake I'm here for the look on your face, 😂
I didn’t have an issue with Daenerys doing what she did, it had been telegraphed for seasons, we saw glimpses of her dark side numerous times, it did not shock me at all and a part of me laughed because i could imagine all the stans losing their minds and that was hilarious to me.
The argument that she wouldn’t do it just doesn’t fly with me, that would be like saying Anakin would never become Darth Vader, there are so many parallels between Anakin and Daenerys.
I don’t have an issue with the plot line itself, it’s the writing and execution of it that I didn’t like and it was all part of the 3 eyed ravens plan to get her out of the picture to leave the throne free for himself to be crowned, that’s why he was pulling the strings and being the puppet master, knowing full well that it would send her over the edge, he was kind of the Palpatine of the story
blergh, every time Jaime says he never cared for the innocents ... flat out character assassination.
It's literally like they, once again, forgot what happened in past episodes.
I totally get it and as a huge Jamie fan I expected and hoped his arc would go differently but i was surprisingly okay how it played out but with that said I think it could be true that Jamie both did and didn't care about the innocent people of King's landing when he took out the mad King because ultimately in those moments Jamie was saving his OWN life along with everyone else's and by doing so he obviously earned the street cred of saving innocent lives regardless if he cared or not he still earned the right to use that as his justification and reasoning... Could the show have done a better job at clarifying his exact thoughts and reasoning on such subjects ?yes but I personally feel I know the character well enough from the show to at least buy into that he both cared but didn't care, again it was just in the heat of the moment where his leader was about to destroy everything and everyone and Jamie wasn't about that lol Jamie's departure from winterfell in episode 4 is something I was also okay with when Jamie's sitting in front of the fire and the cameras spinning around him I'm thinking about what Jamie's thinking about and that being all the reasons he should leave and shouldn't leave and that ultimately he chose cersei because if he left her and their unborn child to die then everything horrible that he had done for her and that he himself then endured the consequences of all would have been for nothing and because like cersei said in season 5 he's a" Man of action" always acting on instinct regardless of the consequences so it works for me🤷🤣
People forget that Jaime says a lot of shit that he doesn't mean. That's part of his personality.
@@atfbproductions7458 You like trash congrats
Anyone who expected a happy ending wasn't paying attention.
28:00 The guy wanted to rape so bad he attacked his own King ?wtf 😂
IT WAS NECESSARY.
I think I've never seen Blake this mad before😂
I would love to see you guys do The Expanse: the writers have a connection to GRRM and while the show is very different from GoT, it has all the best of what GoT had in the beginning. Political intrigue, people vying for power, freaking amazing character development, amazing actors, and the best part….a satisfying ending:
seconding The Expanse! i think they do characters nuance and little stories about “smallfolk” really well, i love how much time they devote to showing how the common people are affected by the wars of the powerful
i dont agree w the danny shit blake is saying. you can litterally watch dannys decent to madness in the show man lol
I get it that some of us were upset with the final season. I personally felt they had peaked at season four as far as great writing. I decided to just enjoy the action and the visuals as they were still great. By season eight I had lowered my expectations enough to not be outraged at the finished product. How much of a story could they tell in six episodes? I just rode it out in appreciation for the four wonderful seasons they gave us. I just don't feel the need to be disrespectful. I moved on to other shows that seemed to suffer the same fate.
Re: Dany never taking it out on innocents... there were at couple of times that at best might be considered "gray areas"... when she crucified the 162 (or thereabouts) masters as punishment for the ones they had crucified on the road to Mereen, it seems that it might have been 162 randomly chosen ones (if Hizdar can be believed that his father opposed it), killing a few innocents among the guilty. And the seemingly randomly selected guy she fed to her dragons to send the masters a message... it wasn't a case of singling out someone who had clearly done something wrong, he was just pulled out of line and thrown to the dragons.
Most of her early arc was clearly one of being on the side of the oppressed and righting wrongs, but in at least those two cases, we saw a glimmer of what became a meaningless massacre on steroids. It didn't help that the rush to get to the end that D&D imposed on the late seasons sacrificed (among other things) a strong narrative on how she was slowly starting to lose her mind.
Agreed. And there were several times where she threatened fire and blood to her enemies but was only talked out of it by her advisors and people she trusted. By the time the bells ring in King's Landing, she has no more advisors that she trusts to guide her away from her impulses. The signs were always there.
Daenerys been a tyrant since the beginning. She was just slaughtering slave owners so we were on her side. Her character is super interesting for that reason. Throughout the entire series her default position when people are not acting as she commands has been to murder them all. Since the beginning it was only her advisors that prevented earlier atrocities.
If Blake is this animated about the terrible writing in this episode, I can't wati to see his face turn red at the finale.
I'm with you, Danny has never killed any innocent people, especially children. People justify what they saw coming because they kill Sam's father and brother, they are at war and they have been given two options! follow danny or go to the wall. They say she kills with dragons and that's worse, why? I don't agree with Varys' death even though he was not only sending letters, he was also trying to poison her, what should I do? thank you? If her madness had developed more I would buy it, but not like this. Also, at the moment when everything starts to burn, Danny is never seen again, I still think it is because it is impossible to show her and for what is happening to be coherent. a destruction of character. The worst thing is that he is not the only character destroyed in this season, a shame
Dig deep into her breaker of chains role. Westeros always says they have no slavery, but they do. You saw it with the wildlings. You cannot be in westeros without bending the knee and fighting for a king. Aegon forged that wheel and now that the prophecy is fulfilled, daenerys breaks the wheel
Cersi would never take the gift of going to a peaceful place. She'd still believe she was better than anyone else living there & start making plans to take control. She'd be bored to death in a peaceful place. She's just evil. And she'd be evil anywhere you put her. Plus, she'd hate you for taking her there! 🙄
IDK man, as an RTS player, if I took consecutive Ls the way Dany did in S7-S8 because of my adjutants' advice, I'd opt for full scorched earth too.
COREY!!! DO NOT BURN YOUR CHAIR!!!
43:10 - At some point - that I can't remember when they even started doing this - the characters could not shut it about Danny NOT being like her father. 'she is not her father' a billion times. WELL, mAyBe sHe IS! Just one more element due to the horrible writing and fate of this amazing show. And Blake, I feel you. Rhaegal's death was beyond absurd. I remember starting the show only because of people talking about dragons, and I f love dragons 😂 also 37:40 'Arise, ye Tarnished' cracked me up, Corey
I've watched this show so many times and I can't see where she decided to have people bow to her
Great episode and season! Don’t fall to the bandwagon hate Igli
Oh yes now I remember why I hate this season!!!! 🐉 👑🤬 but loved y’alls reactions. Thanks 😊 love from Buffalo 🦬❤️🦬💙
I'm not picky about much. When it came to GOT, as long as I was being entertained, I was happy. I was aware everything felt rushed, but I was already bummed it was coming to an end. The thing I couldnt forgive was the assassination of character they gave Jamie. 8 seasons of the best character arc that made no sense at the end.
Yeh, but at least 2-3 times Dany had to be talked down from flying off to cause destruction. 1, when she came back to Meeren to Tyrion running it down. She wanted to go burn the Masters up. He talked her down. 2, After Dorn was attacked she wanted to go burn Kings Landing. Jon talked her down. She wasn't this non violent person.
I understand completely. These characters bad and good are so complex. Tyrion, Tywin, and Cersei could’ve been a formidable source if they didn’t hate each other. 🙁
❤watching at work.....in between customers of course 😉❤
Igil, you should create your own channel. ❤
From season 8 I like episode 1 and 2. And I like history and lore. I also like the effects, some camarashots, the music,…. Nothing of the plot, characters,…
There's no such thing as a tempered crash out...why do folks act surprised when the worst ish happens when folks crash out?!
Also, I was thinking after watching this reaction...I haven't actually seen this episode live and through various reaction vids in years...when Jon is having that conversation with Dany. He says "You are my queen..." I can totally see how Dany would take this comment as a slight. I mean compared to Drogo. As messed up as Drogo was, he really loved Dany and wasn't afraid to show it. Jon? I mean I'm sure a part of her was comparing the two men, as women tend to. I understand what drove Jon to his feelings toward Dany at this point, but Jon (we can also compare his relationship with Ygritte to his relationship to Dany here)? It's all about duty and supporting his queen despite their opposing views. There is no love in his declaration and she knows it. Dany wanted Jon's unconditional love and support something she demands from her subjects. Jon is no subject but a king. This is not at all excusing Dany's behavior up to and past this point. She's gone paranoid and off the rails for sure and she can't get comfort and reassurance from anywhere. All of that is gone.
Also, how can you feel as if Dany was betrayed by Varys if he ended up being right? I mean, being a Varys fan myself my opinion.
Anyone who’s a Varys fan is a weirdo especially when the show twisted itself into knots so he could be a hero. Varys let a lot of terrible things happen just so he could claim innocence later, complete trash character
People always say Cersis one redeeming quality is that she loves her children, she is so selfish to care of about anyone, she does things over and over again that hurts them, and she does nothing to help them,
Hope yall are reaction to another great show after this. Like black sails or SOA or dexter
Completely agree with Igli in that I never freaking understood how Jaime became completely incompetent as a warrior after he lost his hand. For one thing being this skilled does not just have to do for his hand. Jaime was a great fighter in every way, he was agile, had quickness and was strong and so forth. In his prime he was pretty dominant. Also I am Right-Handed myself but I collect swords and I have been able to manipulate swords with my left hand and do good work with it. Especially the smaller lighter swords. Who can do plenty of damage. And they should have given Jaime a dagger on where his right hand was.
Best season!! Everyone acts like she burned the world, it was 1 shitty city.
Blake is so right about Varys - always said the same thing
I don’t know why some people acted shocked when Daenerys burned kings landing cause she literally said in season 2 she was going to burnt cities to the grown… AND the Lannisters killer her best friend and one of her dragons so…
Wait you guys aren't going to jump into House of the Dragon after this?
We've reacted to House of the Dragon twice! And once with Igli right before season 2 so he could watch along with us! ua-cam.com/play/PLul83EmpgR1oKkwyo0-0Dszfw717RFSB8.html
@RaggedyPack Oh shit, okay, I'll have to check those out!
Just when I think I can watch it again.. I'm still mad about the whole episode.. Arya promised us she was going to kill Cersei! I wanted to see the look on Cersei's face when Arya appears in front of her damn it.. Arya killing the Night King was dumb, he wasn't on her list but Cersei was, right from the beginning Joffrey then Cersei. She was so close arrrrgggh !! Varys!! omg I'm so mad about that too.. I've seen the table reading and Conliffe was pissed as was the actor for Barriston Selmy. I think Lena had to be pissed with her ending as well which is so ridiculous, she did such a good job of making us hate her, she deserved to die much better. Yes I can understand why Dany was going down the path she was, but it was so quick most people didn't see it coming and couldn't digest it ... burning innocent people and children no way, she didn't even have to fight her way to the red keep she just had to fly to it.. I hate the whole episode.
*deep sigh* Here we go...
Sansa and Arya were right all along about Dany. Dragons are not children. They are nuclear weapons. Varys was right too.
Danny became douche moment the character they all invested whole season and she proved she is daughter of mad king slaps to all of them invested on danny in GOT
React to SPLIT
This season passes me off beyond words 🤬
What happened is the writers crammed another two seasons into this last one ...
And ppl say that vhagar and drogon have the same size?
Bro can yap a 10 second thought into a 30 minute speach
😻😻😻
Why is the boy in the cap like angry or serious?
Good, intelligent discussion afterwards, Igli and Corey ... shame about the petulant child!
tbh i support dany on what she did. it’s understandable considering everything that she’s been through
This to me is by far the worst written and executed episode. Its almost like watching a different show entirely.
Just Watched Episode 1 Of Birdgerton, Just Because I Know That’s What You Guys Will Be Watching After GOT.
Please Tell Me You Guys Didn’t Actually Choose That Over Supernatural? 😭😫
Downton Abby was trash, and it was still miles better than bridgerton. 😂
Supernatural and Buffy both had more votes, but they went with a shorter show so that slot wouldn't be locked for years.
@@judson9223 No Shade To The Fellas, But Why Add It To The Poll In The First Place? 😭😫
The shows real villain ? The white walkers? No. It’s people
Cersei doesn’t have any redeemable qualities….. literally not one. She’s a TERRIBLE mother. She was told from childhood that her children would be taken from her and she did absolutely nothing to protect them. The closest she did was sending Cella away…. WHICH SHE DIDNT WANT TO DO
Blake just hates for the sake of hating… yeah it’s a shit conclusion, but saying that Varys didn’t approach Daenerys about the situation is dumb and dumber all over again… even Corey tries pulling you up there, but ignore because you rehearse the mic drop👏
You should be considered to write the GoT movie, Blake 🤦♂️
It's honestly so goofy how fast this happened. Showrunners really shouldve just handed the show over to someone else, but they wanted to be the sole writers for the show & wanted to get to Star Wars as fast as possible.
And then they were quietly fired from that, lol.
I don't hate Cersei either.
You simps are pathetic
Varys left the rings behind because he knew his time was up. He knew that the guards were coming for him to take him to his execution.
Cersei has limited maternal ...it's conditional. She loves her kids as long as they don't interfere with her machinations. She didn't care two cents when Tommen offed himself and if she did it was brief and didn't last long. I always think of her reaction to Tommen's death and the episode when she saw the witch out in the woods where she received the prophecy about her kids. Her whole attitude seems to be easily overlooked because she supposedly loves her kids so much...when she's constantly shown that her love of her kids is cap. Again, it's conditional.
Also, I hate it that it felt like the show catered to Cersei NOT being held accountable for all the wrong she's done. Just to have this cheesy icky romantic ending. I will never be able to stand behind the catering the writers consciously made to enable her reprehensible. She was like the female Ramsay/Joffrey, but she got off light. I don't care if she's a woman. I don't care if she "loves her children", whatever. Mothers can be monsters too, HELLO.
26:08
People "Dany, noooooo"
Me sad cause I didn't hear 🎶🎶🎶🎶AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
War crimes Dany is the best Dany