EOS R5 4K & 8K OverHeating Revealed.. My Honest Thoughts
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What do you think? is this record time long enough? What about if its cut in half in the sun?
Not enough early reviewers have mentioned this. Sure they have been mostly extremely biased “reviews” by Canon Ambassadors but its very important information. What worries me isn’t the straight thermal record limit but the recovery times. I’m sure those are optimistic times under ideal conditions. I ordered the R6 this morning mainly because i didn’t want to deal with those heavy files coming from the R5 sensor and all things being equal same processor in both bodies will be more reliable dealing with a 20MP sensor. Just wish the R6 had animal AF and All-i video but by no means are those deal breakers for me.
Hii Max, thank you for bringing it up! I wonder how overheating is going to play on the EOS R6 because that machine is also going head to head with its competitors such as Panasonic S1H.
Before the camera shuts down from overheating the battery might be dead anyway. Even photographing a long main ceremony it might take a battery or two. Surprised they didn’t fix battery performance also.
Maybe if they had added the fan and more space, perhaps the overheating wouldn’t be as big of an issue. Maybe, even, down the line they might be able to fix this issue with a firmware update 🤷♂️
Love the honest approach to review and what's the downside of such a high spec. Thanks Max! 👍
Your card will fill up way before it overheats. If your trying to film more than 20 mins of 8k for whatever you need to purchase a real cinema camera my friend.
YESSS preach
You do understand that the overheating is happening sooner in 4K 25p than 8K, right? 20 clips of 1 minute duration triggers it after an hour only.
He always compare it to the Sony which never told you the truth or this info but canon tells the truth up front if you need more than 4K more than 10min go buy a red or c500
lol Explains why Max doesn't get invites to (as many) product launches anymore, and why he's not sent (as many) pre-production models anymore. Also explains his high subscriber count... you can always rely on him to give you the straight skinny, rather than blow smoke up your backside.
This virtually makes the camera unusable for anyone attempting to use this camera for primarily video work. For the photographer who casually uses video it might be acceptable, but no serious videographer would chance this camera to overheating. I hate these frickin reviewers who don't mention overheating in their reviews. It appears they may be under an NDA and can't comment on this because they aren't production cameras that they are testing? Whatever the case, consumers need to be aware of this before making a purchasing decision. Thanks for making a video about this Max.
you still can use an external recorder like the Ninja V. Most of filmmakers use an external monitor anyway. But I know what you mean, it's still annoying. I'm waiting for the A7SIII and will decide after that
@@jsleger3404 Considered the S1H as well?
Everything but autofocus is great on this camera.
Alan, this is NOT the camera for someone who does cinema work, that’s why canon has a cinema line.
Good points... Some reviewers have mentioned the overheating but most have not.
I'm waiting for Dave 2d's video about this camera just like he did with the i9 MacBook Pro hahaha
He'll have to put this camera in the freezer for sure 🤣
I guess he'll have to borrow one or buy one. The Canon Poster Boy Peter Mckinnon has had one for months.
Max makes it sounds like u gotta bring a ice box for the r5 wherever youre shooting events or weddings. maybe bnh might start selling a tripod with an icebox attachment soon for it. jk jst a bit bitter that its about 4500 usd where i live lol
Isnt kai put a 7d into a freezer？maybe he would do it again with this one
@@haroldlauhoyan totally forgut about that. That guy's mad crazy
All-i missing in eos r6. I was in Canon Europe livestream during their q/a session they mentioned that depending on user feedback they will add all-i in eos r6 future update so everyone please tell Canon to add all-i in future update .
Did they talk about that tiny crop in UHD ? I find it odd that they record in DCI then crop horizontally to get UHD horizontal resolution. It means R6 is able to record DCI but they disabled it.
I hope the touch screen remains active even when using an external monitor.
Shouvik Bandyopadhyay yes. We need to give canon feedback. Give us all i plesse
Do you have the time stamp to see where they said this in their live stream video?
Me laughing at people who expect that EOS R5 to be a Canon C300 MarkIII with all goodness that it can have for video markers XDD
more like a C200. no way can the R5 compete on the same level as the C300
C300 III cannot do 8k or 4K 120p. The R5 8k is like 2300MBs and the 4K 120p is 980 MBs. Those bit rates are not available on the C300 III either from what I know.
Sheldon Charron the headline feature of the c300iii is 4k120.
I mean, that was obvious even before they released any specs.
@@SheldonCharron Are you sure? because the video i saw last time said C300 mark 3 can record 4K @ 120 fps. 8K is a nice feature to have on the camera but man, when we are pushing that high resolution, its better to just go with a cine camera. No way would I be able to record an 8 hour event on the R5 in 4K @ 60 fps. The overheating would kill it for me.
Even on my a7Sii, i stick to 4K @ 24 fps or 1080p at @ 60 fps to ensure reliability and that the camera doesn't stop recording in the middle of an event. If the person is just making short films with the camera at 8K resolution or 4K @ 60 fps, then its great to have that feature. Otherwise, Canon should have implemented a fan into the camera like the Lumix S1H.
This is NOT "leaked" info. Canon put it out officially.
Exactly!
Unlike Sony.
@Tronam max said "I have some info leaked on Facebook" then that this "was straight from canon." so a little unclear and hyperbolic. I can't believe the degree to which the Internet is going to shit itself about the overhearing.
The majority of people who will complain about the overhearing will never own the camera correct?
He means the official reviewers
People were speculating 5min 8k recording, now people are complaining about 20mins
No, they're complaining that after a total 10 minute shutdown you only get a few minutes after that making the camera completely unusable.
@@FantabMedia not all will be using it as video camera.
I don't think they were expecting it would be an issue with regular 4K30 as well.
@@rsmith02 maybe we should wait for the real world usage first
I did a over 30 minutes of an 8K video on my Samsung S20+ , and it barely got warm. I wanted to see what happened and I got bored and I stopped recording after about 40 minutes.
Canon wants you to buy two R5’s so when one overheats you just pick up the other one and start shooting while the other one cools down 😂
It's called changing barrels you machine gunner!
The runtime matrix doesn't really specify how long a cool down period is required to enable the camera to run a complete full length duty cycle. That would be a good thing to know.
They are actually pushing the R5 as a B camera, so that is ind of true
Good one ! 😂
Amazing you have not even touched or seen Canon R5 and you are doing a professional review. Are you making fool of us...?....come on... that is a shame. Professional reviews are acceptable based on testing of the equipment from your side and showing viewers that justifies the test result including video/still samples and putting across your point of view.
Are you serious? Canon have released details of the overheating. He's reporting on Canon's official docs, and the overheating some reviewers have seen and stated. But few are talking about it. As a potential buyer, I am glad he is.
Wow can’t believe this tiny 8k camera is overheating. With dual pixel AF, IBIS, Dual card slot, high res EVF, 12fps mechanical @45mp, and priced it less than 4k
Shame on you canon.
LOL! I'm glad I'd finished my glass of milk before I saw your post. I hate spewing milk into my keyboard. Well put!
@Sasuntidictous Rhoireiphapos sir 8k for 1 min in raw is a miracle for any camera this size with a FF sensor. People must not realize the next up is a zcam at double the price and then a Monstro VV that is 21x the price. Sony will most likely not even have 4k 120 so Id rather have a camera with the features than one that 100% wont shoot raw, and may not even have 422 4k 60p FF
When would you record 4k60 for an interview? When would you record 4k 60 for more than 20 minutes? This is a still camera that shoots video not a video camera... People need to realize that.
Instead of the 8K gimmick, they should've gone all in for 4K 60 and deliver it appropriately
That’s what Sony is doing with the A7SIII. Sony > Canon. Sorry, Canon fanboys.
R6?
you have R6 for that. also when it comes to 4K 60, it only overheats after full 35 minutes of CONTINUOUS shooting. how many people do 35 minute shots without any stops?
@@marincukvurnek7278 Think about weddings (recording a full ceremony) or documentary filmmakers who do interviews.
@@marincukvurnek7278
It overheats after 35 minutes in a shaded, cool room. I can guarantee you that it'll be worse on a sunny summer day. Maybe much worse. The recovery time is also super slow.
This is not camera for professional filmmakers but for specs nerds who shoots brolls for youtube :)
Dam well said
20min of recording 8K or 4K 120p is going to be around 500GB. Who is honestly going to be recording 4TB of video each time they go out on a hybrid?
I mean.....I feel like there's probably like 2 situations where you would ever need to shoot 120fps for that length of time.
He emphasized the biggest problem is the recovery time shooting 4k30 . Watch the video before commenting garbage
@@techsavvy9860 that's only if you are shooting in 8K and oversampling to 4k in camera, which is easy to see why that also would get hot. There are multiple quality options to record for 4k.
@The Truth Have you used Final Cut Pro? or even Davinci resolve?
@@techsavvy9860 "He emphasized the biggest problem is the recovery time shooting 4k30" - not ordinary 4K 30, but oversampled from 8K 4K 30. and it is not the biggest problem, because if you can shoot 8K 30 for 20 minutes, and oversampled 4K 30 for 30 minutes, it means you will need to wait for it less to cool down than 8K. also, if you shoot non-oversampled 4K 30, that does not suffer from any overheating, you can shoot it as much as you want.
Great thoughts Max. Not many people have gone into the details that you have. Im a Sony shooter and im still excited for canon users, these look for be great cameras regardless, welcome back Canon competition is great for the industry.
Wow I almost pre ordered this based on the hyperventilating praise of some that actually used the camera!? This makes it unusable for me. Save the day Sony. Or it’s S1H for me.
Sony A7s MK 3 (rumor few weeks time) could be an excellent video camera and stills, my guestimate would be 20mp FF 12 fps mechanical 20 fps electronic, 4K 60 fps and 6K 30 fps (no crop).
Only if Sony makes a much larger, actively cooled body. I don’t think the slightly
larger A7R4 body is going to cut it much better than this Canon.
@@keithgoreham1463 sonyalpharumors say the A7S III has "passive cooling", will be interesting to see.
Despite the amazing video features, I would never buy a camera that I can’t rely on. Why releasing a camera with ridiculous overheating issues? Just throw a small fan on it internally.
Waiting for the a7S III release.
They should've made some sort of attachment like a battery grip style fan accessory.
Good idea 👍🏾
the overheating is not caused by heat. canon is purposely using a timer to shut the csmera off. it has been proven at eoshd.com and there are methods to prevent the camera from shutting off
Oh, come off it. You want a cinema camera, buy a cinema camera.
or you could buy a sony a7s III instead.
Family on Standby
EXACTLY.
What do you get if you add a fan to the camera? A c500, that’s why.
It's a good camera to record in winter while it snows or to fry some eggs when you go camping in summer.
Funny!
Or under direct cold rain for the added water cooling benefits!
I've been looking to replace my Panasonic GH5 with a with a full frame mirrorless camera that would match GH5 features. I thought R5 would be it. I live in Arizona where it's extremely hot. It appears R5 will struggle in my environment. Never had any overheating issues with my GH5. Very disappointed in Canon.
Everyone tell canon to add All-i to the R6 for the update
Nah
You are right!. Buy Panasonic S1h if you want to shoot all day and all night. It's the only one that can keep up with Holywood level Arri, RED at 4k.
ARRI just doesn't care. They almost own Hollywood production...
@@chuc.dxq3809 True, but you can still use the S1H as a nice B-cam in conjunction with RED or ARRI cameras. Shoot V-Log with NR-1 in 10 bit and you're golden.
What to choose the devil you know or the fancy new camera, You saved me some money. Thank you
Don't count it out yet..
Canon giving us an overheating camera, with no option of 1080p 120fps. Thanks Canon, didn't expect anything less from ya'll
How many of the other $4,000 8k capable cameras out there meet your requirements?
The R6 does 1080p 120fps. Stop watching videos from youtubers who have never used the camera
I don't get these camera companies, what most people want for day to day use is really good 1080p, watch a 1080p bluray on a 100 inch screen, it is beautiful! The resolution war is meh, most people consume content on a phone these days. 10 bit, 120fps, 1080p, ALLi is all you need and want.
Of course it’s going to overheat... why are youtubers so concerned anyway...they’re only going to use it to record 5min UA-cam videos and down sample the 8k anyway 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for an honest review. Having seen this information I refused buying Canon. LUMIX S1H (or S1) is still the best option for filmmakers and a good compromise for photographers.
Many of us make our money from long event content, much of it outside in the sun, so this won't work. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I'm back to considering a C200 in 2020.
I know a photographer who earns part of his living shooting drone footage. The R5 won't work for him either.
The C200 is more more suited to your work.
and many of us do not make money doing long continous shots at all - but doing events, documentaries, travels, film making in general that rely on bunch of shorter clips that are usually 30s to 5 min tops, and that have rest in between shots, which gives the camera time to rest and cool down. so for that kind of work, one will be able to film hours before hitting any of overheating issues.
Ah, it's called getting a tool that fits the job.
@@marincukvurnek7278 I hope so. It is a really cool camera, but if Peter McKinnon was complaining about overheating (and he's paid), it's probably an issue. Back when I had a Sony A55 they touted how good the video quality was, and then once you bought it and found it was unusable in the sun due to overheating.
So video is just a gimmick in this cam.. like in all canon cams. I will vuy a panasonic s1h instead
its an 8k 12bit RAW in a small body you cant record for 25 mins straight yeah that makes sense. Most people using it for the 8k won't be shooting takes more than a couple minutes at a time. Its more for like Cinema mode uses not vlogging. Its certain codecs in 4k that over heat not all 4k modes its when you're downsampling from the 8k sensor.
That is true, but a lot of wedding videographers were interested in this thing who should not have been. Nobody needs 8K for weddings
Robert M
8K bridezillas ... just what a world full of Karen’s need!
For our indie film shoots, we're shooting for 3-10 mins each time (multiple rolling takes) - all 4K. Sometimes much longer. The overheating is a dealbreaker for us, makes the camera unusable. We can't stop mid-shoot and wait 20+ mins for the camera to cool down.
@@robertm3951 yeah, what couples are going to watch UHD on their 150 inch screen, uncompressed. Even if they did, most people can't tell the difference. Real talk!
@@paulfairchild8942 those are very long takes you must have excellent talent to pull that off. 8k is more for specialty shots maybe look at it like that. It could just not be for you.
all i want form sony is high quality 4k under 400mbps with no record limit
At 60p tho
I really want full sensor RAW from Sony. Preferably 6K, and 3:2, not just 16:9!
10bit 4:2:2 is also required in a7
So you want a GH5
I want 4K 60 at 500mbps and 10bit. I literally don’t care about 8k, even though my computer can handle it. 6k would be nice but not necessary. I just want better codecs and bit rates
To keep the form factor small I really hope the A7S3 comes in 24MP with 4K/60 4:2:2. No record limit. They can give us 2.7K with 120fps.
From what I've read it will come with 12MP, the pixels will be bigger so it captures even more light.
@@brunofdgoncalves I have a sense of feeling that they might release the A7s3 with 24MP since the RiV got a huge MP jump. Plus, the A74 will probably find itself near 30MP when it releases. Sony also said that they've changed the names of the S from Sensitivity to Supreme, which could indicate that they might release 2 versions of the successor.
4K/60 is the same internal data rate as shooting 6K/30. So an actively cooled heat sink will still be required.
2 days ago no mirrorless camera could do 8k and now 20 minutes limit is total garbage.. People are hard to please..
It think the big disappointment is 4k overheating. But we will see how bad this is when we get the real world reviews.
I will be filming polar bears, so I just have to take with me enough SSD’s..
Over heating will be no problem for me 😁🥶⛄️🇳🇴
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Recommend swimming suit. You may fall in the water after the ice melt.
When would you ever need to record continuously in 8k for 20+ minutes and 4k 60 for more than 10 minutes? Strange things to be concerned about lol
Ouch... I’m not finding this acceptable. It just shows how serious Panasonic is about video. I’m normally recording for 2-3 hours straight on GH5. Been doing it on a weekly basis for years, and I’ve never even seen the overheating warning.
GH5 has a smaller sensor, so it is easier to keep cooler. Panasonic could not even add IBIS to the GH5-S after beefing up the video capabilities.
@@robertm3951 the Panasonic S1 has the same specs as the GH5s and full frame with ibis. So it's possible.
gh5 also can't record in 8k and it's not full frame
@@robertm3951 gh5-s didn't have ibis intentionally as it's geared to give shooters more control over the final image, like cinema cameras
@@jessea.3883 And also because GH5s has a slighly larger sensor (with fewer pixels), and that slightly larger sensor would make it impossible to employ the same magnetic sensor shift tech in the GH5 (as it was explained to me)
The overheating is a deal breaker for sure
Depending on types of shooting this camera will still work.
Cripple Hammer strikes back! Been wondering how they were going to deal with heat issue. Been saving for this camera, but will have to see more hands on reviews. I live in Texas and do lots of outside shoots. I can't deal with the cool down times. I'm very disappointed they just didn't add a fan. I think anyone would have been ok with that trade off.
@@sdm2 but with a cooling system the weather sealing would be gone.
@@MikedieONE Nope. The S1H is still weather sealed.
Wow. That is awful. I think this going to put off a lot of video shooters. It does sound like a great camera for photographers though.
this overheating only holds for continuous filming. if you film like most people actually film - so lots of shorter clips with time inbetween them where camera at least somewhat rests, you will be able to film for hours without hitting anywhere near overheating limits.
Well, it is a hybrid camera... so you shouldn't be buying it for video in the first place.
@@marincukvurnek7278 not to sure if that is true, many filmers leave the cameras on, especially doing talking head or interviews. So depends what the application is. For us bods down under in ozzie land, overheating of electronics is a real issue. So not for me, my EOS R does "mostly" what i want, so can't justify the money to get 4k 120fps, everything else at 1080p it is good to roll on the R without overheating. Also the crop on the EOS R is sometimes an advantage if you have limited lenses in your bag.
@@waynosfotos you also have crop modes on R5 & R6, should you need them.
Max just asking- is it fair to compare the overheating modes in this camera compared to SONY? Sony basically uses IPB compression equivalent for all their SONY A7 and a6 series. This camera from all Ive read and seen has NO PROBLEM overheating in IPB mode. Also, Sony has never put RAW or 10 bit 422 in their cameras as well. I totally get the comparison with Panasonic but for many hybrid users Panasonics reluctance to upgrade their autofocus make them a non starter. For a camera in this price range that has reliable autofocus and can do the shooting modes it can do, I feel like there is no camera like it. Also, I wonder if you are shooting for long periods of time, do you just shoot IPB 10 bit 422 cLog and be happy?
That would be wonderful if IPB was the answer but I'm not sure that it is. I think it's more due to how much data the camera is pulling off of the sensor but I hope I'm wrong. I think this because in 8K the overheating is the same regardless of if you're shooting compressed or RAW, and shooting compressed 4K (you can't do raw in 4K) the camera heats up less if you do 4K 60 then if you do 4K 30 because 4K 60 throws away more data (line skipping or similar) than shooting 4K 30. But I do hope I'm wrong about this. I'm still super stoked for this camera and if it works for what we do I'll definitely be keeping one with that sweet but pricey 28-70 F2 lens :)
Max Yuryev I guess the only reason I say that is the R6 has had no reports of overheating and canon has not said anything about overheating and it is oversampled as well but only shoots IPB. I can’t wait to see your tests! And oh my GOD yes that 28-70 with these cameras would be amazing!!! Especially since you can crop in effectively making it a 28-105!
Max, the 4K above 30p is not oversampled its line skipped, so soft images with possibility for moire. I hope you didn’t thought Canon can read out the full 45Mpx 120 times per second
do you have any proof of those soft images filled with moire, or just trying to rationalize not having the camera? :D
Marin Cuk Vurnek Just check other cameras like Nikon Z6 with line skipping or Canon R in 1080p. You will understand what I’m talking about...
Rolling shutter and overheating, two red flags no one mentioned in any of the "reviews". That was a red flag on its own. If this is true this is Sony a6300 territory that everyone spat on when it came out, so I'm curious how this will go. I guess canon trough around some NDA's or money to keep it quite.
May I know where did you get the rolling shutter information?
I setup my pre-order, as I personally wouldn't need something that will record that long for 4K. Plus canon has a limit to 30 minutes per recording. I buy the specs I can see myself using. I almost bought the Sigma FP due to the modularity and size, but since I have a 5D4, the natural companion would be the R5 to do more video with that type of stuff!
Hey I'd really consider your ore order the person I know who had a test unit in the UK found it overheated in all 4k modes not just 8k, if you don't mind shooting for 10-13mins in 4k then it shuts down for 15mins and then you can only do 3-4mins and then another 15min shut down so on and so on then it should be good but ya no chance I'll be putting up with that
totally agree. the overheating even in the regular 4K settings is not very ideal for video shooters needing longer record times. Sony's have definitely improved on overheating issues over the years but they've had time to develop that. I'm sure content creators who only need to record 5-10min clips at a time might benefit from the new releases though. I think that's where their market choice is leaning towards.
Glad you posted this.. I was going to order one and will definitely NOT be now. It's 2020, and overheating and shutting down in such short time is just unacceptable.
Every single $4000 full frame, hybrid camera capable of shooting continuous focus, 8 stop image-stabilized 8k video has overheating problems. Every single one.
@@numbersix9477 That's not the real issue. The problem is it's the same with 4k footage which other cameras handly easily.
The shutdown time is not a big issue. It is the recovery time.
@@numbersix9477 False, S1h doesn't have any overhating problem in 6k 30p
S1H doesn't do 8k, but it does handle 6k with seemingly unlimited recording time. Panasonic figured out how to fix the overheating issues, why can't Canon/Sony/etc. ?
The Canon cripple hammer has struck again. This time it's thermal crippling. You wanted specs. Canon gave you specs. But If you actually want to shoot serious video like weddings , Canon wants you to use their C series cameras. Leaving the fan out was a management, not engineering decision. Thankfully I dumped Canon three years ago and haven't looked back. My Panasonic S1 is superb.
Be serious: Any Camera that costs so much and overheats should not be considered by any working video guy (which is what Canon claims R5 is a video instrument).
Well I also shoot films, and time on a set is busy as you know, so imagine I have 6 actors, director + Audio guy all waiting for this Canon to give us just 3 more minutes as Max suggests.
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If Panasonic can do FULL FRAME AND M43 (Photo and Video) without shutting down then Canon should be able to do it (That's all Canon makes, and they charge more).
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I used canons as a starting photographer. I am only saying there is too much hype for something I can't use. but go ahead yourself.
Second point: Every good feature here is a Panasonic invention, right back to their GH2 some 10 years ago ! (down to the articulating screen). So, What could have been something I wanted (Canon 8K) is null & Void. Sony should learn a lesson here with the next S3 ! Which I will buy if it stays cool. Just being honest.
I disagree. But I digress
With everything being uploaded on the internet can somebody tell me what do you need 8K for ? Even UA-cam's 4K is more like 1080p from any good camera. And UA-cam's 1080p is soooo bad ...
With such an overheat, it will soon fail! So this isn't a wedding camera?
Nor is it an underwater or a drone or an infra-red or an X-ray camera. There are a number of things the R5 wasn't designed to do or do well.
@@numbersix9477 Something tell me it was made more as a small B Cam for Hollywood productions.
Canon EOS R5 overheats in 4K
30p! After 30 minutes of shooting, let the camera cool down for 10 minutes and then shoot for only 10 minutes.It turns out that the camera is for drains and not for weddings!
@@maxihome7243 no, it does not overheat in regular 4k 30, but overheats when you shoot 4k 30 which is OVERSAMPLED from 8k 30 - so basically that mode records 8K and downsamples it to 4k 30, which is the fact why it overheats. if you record regular 4K 30, they say no overheating whatsover, and that includes of course 1080p too.
Marin Cuk Vurnek OK what about regular 4K 60 ,will that overheat?
What were we expecting? 8k!!! It’s going to drive the heck out of the processors! Ad a vent and fan and it wouldn’t be dust and water sealed, but who’s going to be shooting in 8k when the vast majority watch most media through there Mobil phones where 1080p is more than good enough?
wow, Thanks Max. Canon give all the canon influencer to promote the camera and then find this out after purchasing it which is too late and waste of your hard earned money. I will wait a while too to see how the real world testing goes. Please compare them for us. thanks.
You are not stuck with a camera after you buy it you can always return it if it doesn't suit you
This information is from Canon. No reviewers have production units yet, so we can't get any real reviews
"Waste". Sure. Because the PHOTO camera you bought is not to be used as an all-time VIDEO camera. Get your priorities straight. Pro photographers don't give a shit about video on the high-end DSLR's or mirrorless systemcameras. They take PICTURES.
You're complaining your car can't mow the lawn unattended.
@@TheovdGulik 2000s calling to ask how you are. in 2020 all cameras are basically hybrid cameras, where both photos and videos are important part.
@@ShazammtheProducer I'm in retail business and don't like to returning things just because a simple don't like it. Once return the product are second hand stage where retailer will try their best to repack and sell it or sell as use. Either way it's not good for business.
I just wonder why to use a photo camera, that was designed to be a photo camera, to shoot video?? I'm not talking about short clips.
If you serious videographer then buy yourself a proper video camera with proper active cooling, etc.
Now everybody complains about a photo camera that it doesn't properly shoot video, and ask to implement active cooling in it.
Are you serious??
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Because hybrid cameras are getting very popular these days. Many stills camera can shoot excellent videos as well
@@squirreldemon3506 yes they can, but due to technical limitations and body design not for long, and people ask now to convert them to video cameras. Does it makes sense?
My point is if you need to shoot longer than 5-10 min video then buy yourself a proper video camera.
OR prepare ice packs to cool it down 😃
This camera is pushing the limits of what this form factory can do. With a fan as the S1H and without the time limit recording, the R5 would be the perfect powerhouse for indy filmmakers. Let's see what Sony brings to the table...
If they had put in a fan the body wouldn't be properly weather sealed which would be unacceptable to a lot of photographers. We need to remember this is still primarily a stills camera that can shoot video.
yeah, Blackmagic Pocket 4K and 6K come with a fan, but their weather sealing is pure shit because of it, soaking dust and moisture inside. wonder if there is any solution to having a fan and still a good weather sealing.
@@marincukvurnek7278 there is just look at Canon's professional lineup Cx00
@@frankluo230 Canon's professional lineup Cx00 stands for cameras that are basically double the size and weight, which is the reason they cannot be really put in the same sentence. C500 II has almost 2 kilograms, while R5 is barely 700 gr camera. so question would be could there be made weather sealed and properly cooled camera, while keeping friendly form factor of most mirrorless cameras nowadays.
You know a camera is good when the only problem most people seem to be harping on is the overheating issue. If you need to be recording 8k for longer than 20 minutes continuously then you probably shouldn't have been looking for a cinema camera all along.
I couldn't wait forever, so I got the Panasonic S1H. Seems like I made the right choice. Huge (quiet) fan!
Same, Canon really did a great job advertising the S1H.
S1H has more dynamic range anyway.
Hey yep depending on how expensive the upcoming Sony and panasonic cameras are if way to much I think I'll buy the S1H and just deal with the autofocus issues! I seriously predict the R5 will get recalled because the overheating makes it unusable or nobody will buy it because the problems so bad it'll be on 50% sale in six months!
@@dejavuking lmfao you wish. 95% of the people buying these types of cameras aren't buying them to record 30 minute speeches in 8k. This camera is going to be for videographers, run and gun, music videos etc. 1-2minute clips at max.
OMG it'll overheat in 8k?! How will I ever survive? ...I'm getting a little dizzy....I just unsubscribed.
Thats internal recording. Put an Atomos on HDMI Port and record as long as you like in 4k 60.
that is true, although there is no HDMI output for 4k 100/120 as well as neither of 8K resolutions
Can the Atomos record in RAW? Buying an external recorder kinda defeats the purchase of spending near $4K on a camera that claims to offer 4K RAW and 8K raw internal but has such overheating issues that some of the headline specs are unusable in the real world.
Paul Fairchild Atomos announcements says 4K 10bit ProRes from HDMI including log, HLG, PQ HDR. No external raw support has been hinted by neither Canon nor Atomos so far (as far as I have found anyway)
Doesn't it defeat the purpose of a 8K camera if you only use it to record 4K? You might as well just get a cheaper 4K camera at that point.
@@marincukvurnek7278 ... Atomos Ninja V or Blackmagic Design 12G HDR monitor/recorders do not support those resolutions... Atomos up to DCI 4K/60... 12G HDR up to UHD 4K/60...
Hi Max! Normal frame rates 4K overheats only in "oversampled" mode. Here's the menu toggle for that mode: ua-cam.com/video/yJzxQbS1mZ8/v-deo.html
So now we know why the cripple hammer seemed so absent. Canon figured out that for professionals, reliability is more important than fancy features. So let the professionals have their big, actively cooled, expensive cameras, and let the rich dentists and CEO's record their holiday snippets in glorious 8K with these expensive toys.
Maybe Canon is smarter than we think and the "new" buyers are the hobbist buying on cafe bragging rights! Lol
Michael Schagen salty?
R5 and R6 is a photo camera with a video feature. For it to do FF and offer 4k/8k for 20min is a great leap in technology for a sealed body without an active ventilation.
People hike with them for days in a humid environment. It has to be sealed and light. That is a priority, not a never ending 4k FF video capabilities.
If someone is filming videos as a job, they can buy a dedicated video camera. This is what customers expect when they call someone a "pro" and expect amazing quality.
R5/R6 provides a casual short video of high quality for bloggers or to take a video of friends and family. It is not intended for paid wedding video equipment or worse, a studio camera...
Sorry for rant, but R5 in my mind is a 5D mk V - a photo camera not a video camera.
I will totally understand if Canon decided to put a dedicate DSLR for video though. Maybe even with active cooling and all the features for videos at the expense of stills. They already have a decent body and lenses, so it might make sense.
Canon - new king of overheating.
Man... A fantastic system from Canon, no doubt about it, but, my GH5 woke up a little bit sarcastic today.
Unlimited 4K30 is a no brainer in 2020.
Agreed. I really didn't think Canon would release a camera with any overheating tbh. I figured they were waiting so long because they wanted to get to the point where they could avoid overheating all together
It’s only the 4K30 HQ mode that has overheating issues.
If you use regular 4K30 there is no sign of overheating
@jaspal singh Sony A7RIV does not offer 10-bit in any way, let alone raw
@@kalef1234 I am surprised as well, but they might decided to just go for it as Sony was successful with this strategy. Though 4k overheating really is disappointing, the 8k is not that surprising.
"t’s only the 4K30 HQ mode that has overheating issues.
If you use regular 4K30 there is no sign of overheating"
I guess, that is more like within my realistic expectations.
@@nicopatch75 That's good to hear.
I guess it is a time for videographer to get a proper cameras and stop complaining about the photo camera doesn’t shoot 30 minute of 8K raw
Hi Max, is there anything similar in terms of overheating and recovery times for the R6?
No, overheating is an issue with the R5 only.
R6 likely overheats the 4K50 too, and it can't record video to both SD cards, the second SD card slot is for photo proxies only.
Colin Hutchins the R6 overheat too
Sorry, I stand corrected: www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/46110-canon-r6-overheats-as-well/
@@charbax I'm only disliking because I hate that this is true :( man I may just stick with my GH5. Well I will not sell it when I decide to get an R5 or an R6.
$3900 USD before tax and it overheats in anything above HD.....hard pass. I'll keep my EOS R and see what Sony brings to the table.
-Jason
Even Peter McKinnon (who's an ambassador for Canon) said that he's worried about overheating issues on the R5 in his video, he didnt go into full details but Hey, he's not supposed to talk shit about Canon products but still warned us.
main reason why I unsubscribed from him, I remember when he was a major Sony boy than as soon as everyone started switching over to Sony, Peter jumped back to Canon and started talking crap about Sony. I shoot with both Canon and Sony, honestly I just can't really stand the guy anymore. I need blunt honesty when it comes to reviewing cameras, lenses, and equipment.
@@Faded.Visuals Yeah I cant stand that guy either. His whole channel now is selling products for other companies.
Dude sold out real quick
1) 8K, in practicality terms, is a special case item like for cropping and visual effects, it not for talking head youtubers
2) the data requirements for 8k are prohibitedly expensive for any production economy in the selfie youtuber world.
3) the cf card slot on the camera has a heat warning.
I really don’t get all of this doom and gloom. People bitched and moaned that the 4k was cropped a year ago, obviously for thermal reasons. Now you get 120 FPS 4k uncropped and 8K with REASONABLE thermal guidance in a weather sealed body...almost an impossibly, and people complain?
This will be parroted by so many for weeks.
I remembered Devin Supertramp video review of the canon R, with all of its flaws, and it was an amazing video. None of the flaws stopped him or stood out in the video. It was one of the best ones out there!
So true,
The perfect camera for me is stills as is in my R, but video that is 1080p ALLi 10 bit with 24, 30, 60, 120 fps all at 1080p. This would be the perfect camera for me, and i would imagine most other people, best 1080p is good enough! It has incredible detail and resolution watch a 1080p bluray on a 100 inch screen and tell me this is not superb?, And the reality is most people consume content on a phone compressed! So why the need for all this high res filming?
I never use 4k on my EOS r, why do i need too?, 1080p picture is fantastic, even after i upload.
Even if you give it directly to a client, who is going to watch it on a 150 inch screen and go wow, i got my 8k, 4k res?
No offense, but that's a lot of bitching for a product that you haven't tested yet. At least Canon is telling you up front about overheating. I don't remember Sony doing that. Either way, I suspect nobody really cares about recording in 8k, so looking forward to your testing in 4k. Hearing great things about about its IBIS though. Don't knock it just yet, Max... you may actually like it. Let's see :)
Seriously, calm down with your editing. You putting up slides that literally last for less than 2-seconds, like the information sheet at 0:22.
The whole of displaying information is that adds to or backs up what you're saying. If I can barely read even the title of the slide, what use is it?
You can pause it?
@@GoWithHim1 shhh do not disturb him he only has two seconds to read.ahaha maybe he got some slow hands? or he wants to read while max is commenting..
The entire video is about what's on that slide, but I guess you paused it and felt betrayed instead of enlightened by the rest of the video. It honestly felt a bit like the summaries Curtis Judd puts after the intros of his videos. There would be no point in the rest of the video if it was there longer, and if he would've left it out altogether we wouldn't have known what exactly he found, so I think this was edited perfectly, except for maybe an audible mention that he would be looking or talking about it in depth.
most of people here seem not aware that overheating only holds for CONTINUOUS shots. it will only plague you if you work things where you like to leave camera on the tripod for 20-35 minute shots without any break. in that case you will hit overheating limitations. in that case, best bet is to buy two cameras, and use one while other one cools down.
on the other hand, if you film like most people film - so doing a handful of shorter clips and letting the camera rest for some time in between each - one will be able to record hours without hitting overheating limitations.
at the same time, if you really need long shots without overheating, resolutions all the way to nonsampled 4k 30 are not susceptible to overheating, meaning you can record continuous as long as you want.
Nor have the complainers edited 8k footage or paid for enough CFAST cards to capture hours of video in an outing.
Overheating? I remembered when the a6300 is overheating but everyone finally got over it. Heck i have an a6300. I say, canon is having that teenage time with Mirrorless overheating. But i guess its ok, dial down the setting a bit
Yep but A6300 to be fair was a £800 (RRP in UK) vs a FF ML £4200 camera and for this amount of money you don't want to have many compromises.
Just like A6300 pushed the boundaries of what was possible years ago, the R5 is doing the same now. The problems will get sorted in the next iteration, but for now, 8K is more of a marketing gimmick than anything else.
This camera's nearly $4K USD, and the 8K RAW is a headline spec. But the overheating makes it all but unusable. That's a big deal and big issue in my book.
I'm not going to accept a critical flaw in a $4,000 camera just because a $900 camera from four years ago had the same problem.
@@DrShaym im not saying that the r5 camera should be excused for having overheating prob. What im saying is that the r5 proves that canon listened to what the customers want, all be it executing it is a challenge hence the overheating, just like sony a while back. It look like they are in the phase just like what sony experienced at that time. If you think the overheating prob this detrimental, dont buy it.
I think this is really a bummer. Overheating. I can’t believe it. Canon Fanboys were joking about Sony overheating. And Now? Stopped laughing I guess. Or find excuses. Or maybe both. Hahaha...what an Innovation LOL 😂
I love shooting 8k with my Sony hybrid!
There is a big different. Canon is honest about it up front, told user they can take 8k for 20 minutes, and built in protection.
Sony hid it, let customer find out after their camera quit.
Canon did not include 4kFF because they were aware of the heating problem, since Sony did that anyway and sold Camera by the millions, Canon follow suites. But at least Canon is honest about it.
@@esphilee That is ridiculous, Canon Fanboys can find excuses for every bullshit this company is doing. This is distinguishing stupid from smart people. Smart people learn from mistakes whereas stupid don't. In this case Canon is super stupid, they knew heat management is an issue and they failed to correct it. Hahaha...sorry, mate, the whole world is laughing about this epic failure now. And the most funny thing is that Sony will publish soon a Sony A7SIII which is fully useable in 4k and not overheating. That will be the final coffin nail for this toy camera called an R5!!!! LOL!!!!
4K 30fps has no heat-based recording limit at all. The 4K HQ, which is oversampled from 8K, has the 30 minute limit.
Good to clarify, then it is only limited to the top end resolution. The 4k 120fps, no one is going to shoot for 20 minutes in the selection too, so very usable
The fact that even 4k 24 has a limit is a huge disappointment. I thought we were well passed that restriction. & overheating in 4k? Really? I’m going to hold on & see what the a7siii has to offer.
Sony’s will overheat too. Unless that make a huge monstrosity like the S1H with vents
We would never record for more than a few minutes at a time. I see this camera as a speciality camera for smaller moments. Even at weddings, literally no one finds themselves recording for more than a few minutes at a time.
And how many minutes of 8K recording time do I get with any Sony mirrorless cameras. 0.00 seconds. LOL
LOL! Most of the whiners here would disagree with you. They think their Sony and Panasonic cameras produce stunning 8k footage.
for a product at this pricepoint, 4k60 overheating in 2020 is a shame i.m.o. - a Lumix GH5 can go for basically forever without heatissues at 4k60 and it is a lot cheaper and xame out years ago...
overheating has NOTHING to do with the time we live in. its a physical thing that cant be avoided. and the GH5 has a MUCH smaller sensor, of course it wont gather that much energy to overheat.
Lumix GH5 is crop censor they process small amount of data. You can't compare the quality of 4k from R5 to your Lumix GH5. Your 4k looks like a 1080.
@@PortraitOfyou857 Thanks for the info, I did not consider the sensor as relevant for overheating.. Thanks for the info!
You have no R5 but talking about overheating
wanted to ask the same question...
Exactly.
But using Canon’s own information! Seems a sensible approach & says wished those with units in their hands to mention this - but they may be Canon ambassadors & thus not totally unbiased
same question😂
In my opinion, Canon blew it with (1) the overheating & recovery from it being this limiting and (2) only allowing CLog use - no CLog 2 or 3. Regular CLog is limited to around 12 stops of dynamic range, so users may be left with (1) having to deal with overheating by choosing RAW to circumvent CLog's limit in DR, or (2) having to sacrifice DR using CLog & compressed formats in order to avoid the overheating. I suppose we'll see once the camera has been properly tested, in particular to see whether the overheating issues are cumulative as well when not shooting continuously, but it could well be the case that this camera is only just borderline useable for video (e.g. for B-roll or stock footage).
C-Log 1 actually only records 10.5 usable stops of dynamic range (SNR=0.5). Also no extended gamut but desaturated Rec709.
This camera is a shit show.
@@DennisSchmitz Yes, 12 stops advertised I believe. It's never as advertised though / not fully useable.
If your camera fails at a wedding you get sued. What a joke.
paying over $10 grand for a camera ( and new lenses) just to film for 3 minutes. I am glad I sold the Canon cr-p and switched to Panasonic 4 years ago. Best option is Sony or Canon for photos (Don't need 8k for that). and Gh5s for Video.
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I film all day in Australia's harsh Sun (Outdoor concerts 10 am till 5PM ) and the Panasonic is still fresh !.
I am sure Panasonic will give us a proper 8k as it's sensor is in the sweet spot (Not too big to heat, not small to lose quality). I'd say the Gh6 will have everything in it, including 8k. but without AF, which is a small price to pay to get fantastic video .... reliably :-)
Who would shoot weddings with a camera designed and priced to shoot 45 meg stills and 8k video? No one! Who would shoot a wedding with no backup camera? No one! You're preaching to a congregation of none.
@@numbersix9477 If it didn't overheat this would be the perfect camera for weddings and I'd be happy to shoot with it. Why don't you think it would be suitable?
@@FantabMedia
I'm not a pro but two close friends are. Both say that, for wedding photography, 30+ k stills are overkill and that the extra processing time and storage space required for 30+ k constitute costs with insufficient offsetting benefits. The pro who shoots video calls anything above a 4k video workflow "ridiculously cumbersome and unnecessary."
That said, you know what capture resolutions you can most profitably capitalize on and I do not. Be blessed.
@Rob Sym
LOL! Given that you are extolling the virtues and performance of a camera that does not exist, I certainly cannot say that it won't do all that you claim it will.
@@numbersix9477 Well higher resolutions certainly increase rendering times etc. The thing is though, 4k 120 is just amazing for wedding videography and there's nothing out there that has it (well the Z-Cam has close). Added to the (hopefully) class leading IBIS and amazing cropping ability of 8k (so if you were recording speeches you can get several different shots from one cam) and it would just open up so many options. I'm still interested in one with the limitations, just for the above.
I think the biggest fact you missed was that at 4K 120fps (the reason I wanted this) the camera overheats after 7mins. Was going to switch from my A7iii but that’s a deal breaker for me.
The problem with 4K on the R5 is that it is downsampling from 8K, so yeah its going to overheat in 4K like crazy too...
So you are filming slow-mo for more than 7 minutes? What do you shoot?
Ahh yes....Canon's camcorder division managers and sales people will sleep very well tonight.
Lol
Comparing this to a Sony experience is bizarre.
Fair points, but two things to think about: one, shooting 8K takes a mammoth amount of band h with, which requires a similarly mammoth-sized CFast card to go along with it. Those cards are many hundreds of dollars - almost pushing $1000 in some cases - which adds significant cost to the camera. If you can only afford a 256GB card, you're only recording for a few minutes anyway. And, two, who is shooting weddings with a mirrorless camera?? 😂
basically 90% of my colleagues are using mirrorless nowadays for filming weddings, Sony A73 is very popular, but Eos R as well.
What are you talking about, almost every wedding videographer I know use mirrorless or DSLRs.
Marin Cuk Vurnek sure, millions of people buy Justin Bieber albums too. What does that prove? People who are serious about video production are not using mirrorless cameras.
It's a perfect camera for video stock content creators.
i would agree with canon decision for the body size and not including an active cooling system. according to my lightroom library, my longest video footage is 11min, and i used 30sec of that clip.
But, but, but, but "MY" video shooting often involves twelve to sixteen hour long shots. It's a crap camera.
@@numbersix9477 yeah, I cannot wait to watch it :)
@@videojeroki
LOL! I'll let you know when I've finished processing it on my 386 based video editing computer.
Great points!
The overheating issue might sound trivial until you actually work with a camera that overheats. I was using the A6300 for a year and it overheated so often and made me almost throw it in the ground a lot of times haha.
Gonna be exciting to see what Sony spits out!
Sony's engineers have to deal with the very same laws of physics that Canon's engineers do.
Panasonic G9, 4K60, 29min 59sec limit, 10bit 4:2:2 VLog-L HEVC, no overheating. Internal record.
Bonus feature, shoots "open gate" 18MP video at 29.97fps 10bit 4:2:0 VLog-L HEVC (UHD is only 8MP) at 4:3 or 3:2 aspects (6K photo mode). 10min limit. Internal record.
*** Less than $1K. ***
Incredible IBIS which can add to lens IS.
From a pragmatic business point of view, buying another one of these this week was a no-brainer for me. Even though I have plenty of Canon L-series glass (for which I have an adaptor).
Canon are LATE to the party but still they get the hype.
The R5 is silly. Not reliable enough for the sort of person that would really have the need and the budget for 8K. The R6 makes more sense but is not amazing and is overpriced.
I'm glad you're keeping a COOL head about this release Max ;)
Lotta shilling out there...
Let‘s wait for the first real reviews, how it really holds up. Also, how the overheating will be with an external recorder for 4k60 and below.
This is not just an issue with canon. its an issue with ALL cameras in 4k+.
This is simple physics(energy). The difference is, canon protects the system with that. the sonys did shut down as well.. but they didnt "fix" that issue. they just got rid of the protection and let the sensor get overheated and let it keep recording. which can damage the sensor slowly over time. canon would never let that happen. thats why they are doing this procedure. sure they could have build in a cooling system like the panasonic has. but then it wouldnt be weather sealed anymore. its always compromises.
It's not to do with the sensor. It's the other electronics in the body that are the problem (the S1H active cooling doesn't cool the sensor either).
The Canon Cripple Hammer has struck
Just this morning went out to do some bird filming with my A7R4. Direct sunlight, 30 degrees Celsius, 70% humidity. During the 4th sequence (filming spread over 45 minutes) and after 2 minutes recording in 4k 30p, the camera shut down just after the overheating warning. Could only restart it once reached home. In that sense, I'm really wondering whether you can even film wildlife (very normal to have takes of 5 minutes and more) in above-said conditions, with the R5. Had pre-ordered a R5, but now I'm having second thoughts.
The hack is to record over HDMI....and physically pull out the cards. Then you can record for hours. That's the "hack" that Cannot didn't see coming. Hell,...these software programmers can't think of "every" way people can circumvent the R5's overheat limitations. Sadly, some Cannot programmer could get fired for allowing that back door "hole" in their carefully planned firmware restrictions. Dont worry, this hack can be removed in the next firmware release. Just simply make the "heat" condition exist in the firmware and display itself weather a card is inserted or not. Problem solved.
I don’t mind because, Sony had overheating issues to. I mean we got most of the stuff we been asking for . If they included a fan they woulda priced it more. And many of us won’t be able to afford it lol
Looks like it all comes down to your needs. At over 300k problem free actuations on my 5d mkiv, it probably needs to be replaced in the near future and I have a good amount of Canon glass. What I need is a photography work horse, and it looks like this will fit the bill, and it doesn't cost much more than my 5d mkiv did. I have read the R5 is rated for 500k actuations, which is a good improvement for the stills guys (found that stat on the internet someplace... and that never lies, right?). Sad to hear about video restrictions, but that is not my main line of work. Counting the costs, picking up an R5 will be a good investment for my company. Not a Chevy vs Ford or Canon vs Sony type of comment. It just makes good fiscal sense given my line of work. As we all know, be informed and make good decisions for your unique needs.
Who really needs to shoot at 8k though? Unless you’re doing super vfx heavy stuff (not the camera for that anyways) or lots of greenscreen stuff, I don’t see the point. 4k 24p is all I need 95% of the time.
Not that I am that interested in the R5 anyways, the C300mk3 looks way more compelling.
You say we should buy the R6 if we need reliability? But the R6 overheats way quicker than the R5. Also the R5 doesn't overheat at 4Kp30. Only in internal downscaling mode (Fine).
Bottom line, im just worried the R5 will still look like DSLR footage.
There's something about the 1DX footage that looks better/more cinematic than the normal 5D-line , yet I don't think the R5's footage will get close to it (despite having a similar sensor i understand)