Can You Beat Morrowind's Rage-Inducing DLC Dungeon with One Item? (At Level 1)

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  • Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
  • Today we craft our Fort Buster character build to attempt Morrowind's most densely populated dungeon, Fort Firemoth, at LEVEL ONE with ONLY ONE item. Can we do it? Or is all our theorycraft for naught? There are a few liches and skeletons who may have something to say about it... Let's find out!
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    CHAPTERS 📚
    00:00 Intro
    02:03 Choose this Race for SIEGECRAFT
    05:23 Specialization & Attributes
    06:59 Major Skill Selection
    9:57 Birthsign Up
    10:30 Take a Look at the Stats
    10:56 Run Starts NOW
    12:50 Head Here to Buy Our ONE Item
    14:53 Mandatory Lockpick
    17:30 Starting the Siege
    19:43 Arriving at Firemoth
    26:19 The Bridge of Terror
    29:00 Enter the FORT of FIREMOTH
    35:20 Into the Mine
    37:29 THE FINAL BATTLE
    45:55 Closing the Loop
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    Title: Can You Beat Morrowind's Rage-Inducing DLC Dungeon with One Item? (At Level 1)
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  • @CoffeeNutGaming
    @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +39

    Congrats! You have been promoted to.... Dungeon Sweep

    • @SnakeBush
      @SnakeBush 4 місяці тому +1

      Hello sir is my Wendy's order out yet?

  • @rojiuradomei2454
    @rojiuradomei2454 6 місяців тому +21

    15:18
    Haven't even spent a full day in Vvardenfell and Frank the Tank is already turning into a Dunmer .

    • @ihavenoclue9756
      @ihavenoclue9756 5 місяців тому +1

      They rub in on ya in VvArdenfell 😂

  • @brettrossi034
    @brettrossi034 6 місяців тому +10

    Also, completing the side quest of no potion use rewards you with the Greater Power of Toddspire. When cast, you get a message from Todd Howard himself sending you cheesy motivational quotes to your Morrowind game screen. Also, 500 atoms to use in the atomic shop FREE OF CHARGE!!!

  • @JeffGoode-vx5ki
    @JeffGoode-vx5ki 6 місяців тому +6

    Bro got a promotion, got hot headed, and destroyed the company “you are the company” within seconds. lol sounds about right. (:

  • @jaked-beans
    @jaked-beans 6 місяців тому +23

    Love all of the Morrowind content! This is still my favorite game of all time. Have you ever considered doing a How to Vampire or Werewolf vid?
    Thanks!

  • @sirbrannflakes
    @sirbrannflakes 6 місяців тому +17

    My day made brighter with a certified CoffeeNutGaming Morrowind video!

  • @codyporter4680
    @codyporter4680 6 місяців тому +24

    What an insane and enjoyable run.😮

  • @Marinko_09
    @Marinko_09 6 місяців тому +4

    I just can't get enough of your Morrowind videos, they always brighten up my day.

  • @shotpulehod
    @shotpulehod 6 місяців тому +5

    Summons a ghost, attacks it and gets attacked by companions: "morrowind magic", for sure. Was fun to watch! :>

    • @miftosaurus
      @miftosaurus 6 місяців тому +1

      ... i expected that! :D
      tried once, during an escort quest, and i was attacked by the lad! :))))))))))
      so, i learned to NOT use the trick when i have a follower... thanks to the Nine, Morrowind, vanilla, does not have so much followers... :)

    • @Brandelwyn
      @Brandelwyn 28 днів тому +1

      Respect your ancestors, n'wah

  • @igloostu
    @igloostu 6 місяців тому +7

    This format is really fun to watch - really puts the build under stress test and tells a journey for it -

  • @jeteper5530
    @jeteper5530 6 місяців тому +3

    I initially came across your 'How to...' series and have since watched several of your videos.
    You demonstrate real passion for the game in both your knowledge and enjoyment of it. While I like the instructional nature of your How to series, I also really appreciate the entertainment value in a Let's play style of video like this.
    Thanks for all the great content,
    Keep doing what makes you happy.

  • @SeaSerpentLevi
    @SeaSerpentLevi 6 місяців тому +2

    Oh man what an epic run, i was laughing so much with that fella dungeon sweep just being a silly little guy, and the end got me at the edge of my seat
    I usually watch your channel to enjoy the morrowind nostalgia without installing it for the "insert ridiculous number" time (Everyone who ever set foot on Vvardenfell knows how that feels huh? xD), but damn this video just rekindled the flame. I've been meaning to try out that modern combat mod you made a video about, i guess its time to visit papa Cosades a New Wear visit.
    HNY for you too btw! I hope you had happy holidays and am excited to keep up with the next morrowind misadventures lol

  • @LunarEntity
    @LunarEntity 6 місяців тому +2

    Coffee? Check. Bacon? Check. Nerevar Rising? Check. Morning accomplished.

  • @jackomecamorfo6060
    @jackomecamorfo6060 5 місяців тому +1

    when he says 95% of the build power come from the name he wasn't lying, i once have a argonian named Pokes-at-distance and he was very good at poking at a distance

  • @Kaiserker
    @Kaiserker 6 місяців тому +2

    this was so fun to watch! its probably been done before, but maybe a lord of the rings challenge where you bring Fargoth's ring to Red Mountain at lvl 1?

  • @LyseanEmpire
    @LyseanEmpire 4 місяці тому

    That Shadow of the Colossus theme in the beginning took me off guard, love it!

  • @jakacresnar5855
    @jakacresnar5855 5 місяців тому +1

    if Morrowind has taught me anything aboout Vvardenfell, is that there are no limits to the things a naked Nord will do.

  • @Morphdog9819
    @Morphdog9819 6 місяців тому +3

    Subbed. You deserve it bro. Thanks for keeping Morrowind alive on UA-cam and thank you for the length lol I love falling asleep to people playing Morrowind

  • @kuwe4652
    @kuwe4652 6 місяців тому +6

    Not sure if you did it (haven't watched the video completley so far) but had to say, that conjuration for the ghost and atronarch birth sign is one of the most broken combo in game.
    Summon the ghost for next to nothing, attack him and he will cast some spells that will restore you to full mana even with endgame stats.
    Bonus if you create your own spell with about 9 seconds summon, to anger the ghost, get 1-2 casts off of him until he just ends to exist because of the short timer.

    • @miftosaurus
      @miftosaurus 6 місяців тому

      ... being breton is not so nice: you have an innate resist magicka, so, sometimes, you need to summon the ghost for 3-4 times for full magicka.
      also, if you wear a named armor, is "moar better"! :D

    • @kuwe4652
      @kuwe4652 6 місяців тому

      ​@@miftosaurus Breton is overrated in morrowind anyway. Their resistance to magick doesn't do much in morrowind since spell damage taken is mostly elemental damage and for that only elemental resistances are taken into the calculation.
      That makes Nord in my opinion far superior with complete immunity to one damage type, 50% reduction from another and starting with 50 endurance as male (60 if taken as favoured attribute) is nothing to sleep on either.
      And if you go with the atronarch birth sign, the additional mana from Bretons isn't negligible.

  • @miftosaurus
    @miftosaurus 6 місяців тому +2

    ... one of lovely CoffeNut movies! :D
    with a keyboard missing F5 key! :P

  • @latewizard301
    @latewizard301 6 місяців тому +1

    Me casually waiting a month so i can binge this guys videos 😂

  • @bjorntrollgesicht1144
    @bjorntrollgesicht1144 6 місяців тому +2

    GG my man :D I'd have probably gone with something other than the Atronach and a restore fatigue spell plus just a regular summon weapon to be as self sufficient as possible, but your build might have been the better option. Btw, this is how actual armed combat works: you stay out of your opponent's range and strike them in a window where they can't strike you. Move a lot on your legs, observe the opponent, act when they can't hit you- few games recreate it as well as Morrowind.

  • @bobgrimes8618
    @bobgrimes8618 6 місяців тому +2

    Another classic Coffeenut quest!

  • @aaaaaa-lt2tl
    @aaaaaa-lt2tl 6 місяців тому +3

    Those arent uggs, they are heavy leather boots, and combined with the based colovian they are peak morrowind fashion

  • @D3Z3R7
    @D3Z3R7 6 місяців тому

    This is fun, I like low level Morrowind shenanigans that don't jump straight to alchemy+full artifacts+adrenaline rush. Making use of starter spells and being slow.

  • @gamingbrother1699
    @gamingbrother1699 6 місяців тому +1

    Just got into morrowind and saw your "how to nightblade" and I might do that next run

  • @SpookyWatcher
    @SpookyWatcher 6 місяців тому

    Nobody gonna talk about this beautiful ballet moves of a guard at 12:11?

  • @snazzmaw
    @snazzmaw 6 місяців тому +1

    A morning Morrowwind challenge to start off my new year! Thanks for the video and best of luck to all of you!

  • @andrewwicks8352
    @andrewwicks8352 5 місяців тому +1

    One "how to" build I'd like to see is how to use blunt staff weapons as a mage character. It sucks that they keep handing out Wizard Staff, Staff of War, Staff of Peace, Magnus, Hisodeki and others and they just get left in a chest somewhere because mages never spec into blunt or know how to use them.

  • @miroslavduran7826
    @miroslavduran7826 6 місяців тому +4

    Elemental shields in morrowind do retributive damage at a rate of 1 dmg for every 10 pts of shield. Oblivion changed it to resistance.

  • @danieldalton7673
    @danieldalton7673 6 місяців тому +2

    I loved the How to Enchant video. A video about the best items to make would be fun to watch. I love Morrowind because you get two gloves, and so many other armor slots rather than Skyrims 4 item fullsuit

    • @Brandelwyn
      @Brandelwyn 28 днів тому

      Exactly, I hate how we cant even put a robe over our armor

  • @Crusaydr
    @Crusaydr 6 місяців тому +3

    Hell yeah new vid, any new guitars recently?

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +3

      Haven't bought a new one in awhile, but looking at picking up a telecaster. Need something with single coil pickups to balance out all the metal machines!

  • @dwarflord420
    @dwarflord420 6 місяців тому +5

    Congrats!
    That was Epic.
    1 Critique:Can You Honesty Say That The Lich is "Living" at the bottom of Fort Firemoth?
    Peace And Love ✌️❤

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +2

      You got me on that one lol thanks for the support!🤘

  • @GoldenS787
    @GoldenS787 6 місяців тому +1

    @CoffeeNutGaming i really love your Morrowind content and so i have a request for you, which I believe will be of great benefit to you. Many years ago, there was a master enchanter in the renowned Morrowind forums named SR71. He developed extremely powerful two-phase enchantments and spells that broke the game in an unprecedented way. Many of his spells and enchantments can still be found online but there isn't a single video about his work or his person on UA-cam. It would be cool if you could make a video about this mysterious person and his enchantments.
    I believe a video made by you would generate a lot of interest.

  • @user-vl4iq7bj5e
    @user-vl4iq7bj5e 6 місяців тому +8

    trying to fit in on my 20th play through, despite sweating nervously as i have never finished the main quest and made it to solstheim… 🤓

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +3

      Keep going! You've got it this time🤘

    • @user-vl4iq7bj5e
      @user-vl4iq7bj5e 6 місяців тому +3

      @@CoffeeNutGamingthe marshmerrow is always greener on the other side.

  • @brettrossi034
    @brettrossi034 6 місяців тому

    From watching all of your videos and also from Strat-edgy gaming's channel, it inspired me to download Morrowind on my Xbox while I am finishing up my first ever Oblivion playthrough. I will be starting up after I'm done there. I'm a bit nervous starting it because I know how punishing it can be, but can't wait! Love your stuff bro!

    • @miftosaurus
      @miftosaurus 6 місяців тому +1

      try first by your own thinking, a random race, and one of prebuilt classes, next, try the Coffee's builds... to have a taste of unusefulness and the taste of victory! :D

  • @infinitysynthesis
    @infinitysynthesis 6 місяців тому +1

    Loved the shadow of the colossus music during the boss fight : D

  • @torres3359
    @torres3359 6 місяців тому +1

    Shadow of Colossus ost, a nice choice man

  • @johnfrankster3244
    @johnfrankster3244 6 місяців тому

    Probly be a whole lot easier to steal an ebony tower shield from one of the great house vaults, then just enchant it with 100% weakness to fire 100fire damage in 50ft, or lower the damage & make it greater over time.
    You could steal the enchanted soul gem from galbedier, or multiple other locations. Galbedier leaves her desk unnattended about 1 quest into ajiras.

  • @AsukasButler
    @AsukasButler 6 місяців тому +1

    Omnium Gatherum shirt...respect.

  • @chrisbingley
    @chrisbingley 6 місяців тому +2

    Unhinged Coffee = Best Coffee. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

  • @codieclark853
    @codieclark853 6 місяців тому

    Really love your Morrowind content brother, keep it up. If you don't mind me asking besides streaming and being a video creator. What do you do for a living?

  • @ma2perdue
    @ma2perdue 6 місяців тому +1

    Guys to exploit watch time put coffee videos on %75 time Resistance when charging.

  • @wesleyrussell8386
    @wesleyrussell8386 6 місяців тому

    I just noticed the miss sounds on the edits and it's great lol

  • @ma2perdue
    @ma2perdue 6 місяців тому +1

    Oh man i love skeleTONE chad archers. My difficulty mods have these fully armed 50 enchanted arrow skeletons after level 20 or so ... I have not been brave enough to go out and deal with Fort FPewpewpew

  • @TribunalSlayer
    @TribunalSlayer 6 місяців тому +1

    that is one of my favorite quests somehow :D

  • @miqvPL
    @miqvPL 3 місяці тому

    ay yo Omnium Gatherum tshirt, Be The Sky I think. Awesome band, awesome song, cool video. I'm pals with their bass player and their vocalist, lovely people. If you are from US I think they have a tour there soon

  • @TechnoBump
    @TechnoBump 6 місяців тому +1

    That was amazing 😂

  • @samsunggalaxys10e16
    @samsunggalaxys10e16 5 місяців тому

    the best video on this channel

  • @johnfrankster3244
    @johnfrankster3244 6 місяців тому

    No.1 dungeon,
    Try “Helseths throne Room”
    poke hlaalu helseth at level one with the spear & with all his cronies surrounding him.

  • @Altered8
    @Altered8 5 місяців тому

    Coffee, can you make a build that centers around unused birthsigns? namely the serpent? im super curious what you'd use them with!

  • @justindarnell5614
    @justindarnell5614 6 місяців тому

    Woohoo new video!

  • @DrSeanKhan
    @DrSeanKhan 5 місяців тому

    Just got my first PC that can play more modern games, been playing Cyberpunk for the last month....and bro got me reinstalling Morrowind

  • @Richthofen100
    @Richthofen100 6 місяців тому

    More morrowind vids. Nice

  • @craigvillanueva1876
    @craigvillanueva1876 6 місяців тому +2

    well done

  • @Lostmarbles42
    @Lostmarbles42 6 місяців тому +1

    At game that brought me alot of good days in my life only to be ruined by a hoard of cliffracers

  • @lordmortos979
    @lordmortos979 6 місяців тому +1

    What about a fork tho? Nice run. 👌

  • @krzysztofstolarczyk7773
    @krzysztofstolarczyk7773 22 дні тому

    Tip - claymore with enchanted on hit area of 15yards fire damage

  • @nickrobinson9629
    @nickrobinson9629 6 місяців тому

    The name Frank makes me think of Frank Proto, the Chef.

  • @FunboyMacphallush
    @FunboyMacphallush 6 місяців тому

    You went through all of that for 3000 gold. Not worth it.
    I still appreciate your videos.

  • @mybrainisshortcake
    @mybrainisshortcake 6 місяців тому +3

    fun!

  • @Willzb-xk4ew
    @Willzb-xk4ew Місяць тому

    Wait...the guy at the beginning of the game has a quest for the dlc???
    UH OH

  • @stevennagel9264
    @stevennagel9264 2 місяці тому

    Eighteen restarts later: first try!!!!!

  • @Motavia0
    @Motavia0 6 місяців тому +1

    Love for the Monster Hunter reference

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +2

      Been playing through Rise recently. Love the whole series! Glad someone got the reference!

  • @michaelclark6941
    @michaelclark6941 6 місяців тому

    Maybe a speedrun to kill the 3 false gods? Could be called the Nerevar Revenge Run.

  • @marcoflorianefinger6937
    @marcoflorianefinger6937 6 місяців тому +1

    Great run. Now do it on max difficulty.

  • @maximiliankohler2610
    @maximiliankohler2610 5 місяців тому

    now that i have cranked my char with alchemy - when the buffs run out - i instantly die... is there a known fix for this problem?

  • @SirGarthur
    @SirGarthur 6 місяців тому +3

    Niiiice

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +3

      Never a bad time for another dose of MORROWIND

  • @laionegan
    @laionegan 6 місяців тому

    Morrowind with you is very eternal 😂

  • @MrPhantomPC
    @MrPhantomPC 3 місяці тому

    Nice. Any announcements when this is coming to Xbox? 😂

  • @remusventanus5127
    @remusventanus5127 6 місяців тому

    The next one should be how fast can you get a full set of adamantium armor at level 1

    • @JoeTAC
      @JoeTAC 6 місяців тому

      >Go to Meldor
      >Obtain armor
      >???
      >Profit

  • @krzysztofstolarczyk7773
    @krzysztofstolarczyk7773 22 дні тому

    You dont need lockpick. Up there is a key

  • @emanuellopes6166
    @emanuellopes6166 2 місяці тому

    Wait until they realise Morrowind has the best combat of all TES

  • @ilari90
    @ilari90 6 місяців тому

    Without bound weapons you couldn't win anyway, now that I think, how would you bring enough hammers and prongs that level 1 char could carry properly to maintain other "real" weapons. Lovely stuff!

  • @TheRevan1337
    @TheRevan1337 6 місяців тому +2

    Is there a reason why Silm Dar is completely naked? :P

  • @Timofey-tm1dy
    @Timofey-tm1dy 6 місяців тому

    What A rage full dungeon

  • @TurkOLDgames
    @TurkOLDgames 6 місяців тому

    i think if u make a archer with conjuration and high agility and go to solstheim take the marksman ring u can make a archer lvl 1 with skill 70 and do this more easy, for me that are the strongest build for lvl 1

  • @Alderoth
    @Alderoth 6 місяців тому

    Ok but how many other solo items can you use to beat it?

  • @thenormiedave
    @thenormiedave 6 місяців тому

    Sellus is expendable once we get the orders to meet Caius, and we complete the quest for the ward, so I mean, it would be really a shame if we get the gold AND the shield for our troubles, right?

  • @alejodavies
    @alejodavies 6 місяців тому

    I need help. All my amulets disappeared from my magic items menu and so did a few spells. I'm not sure what caused it. The amulets are still in my inventory and I can use them if I hotkey them, but I can't select them in my magic items menu. The list starts with my racial spells, then my known spells, then magic items, but it starts the list with belts then rings then scrolls. It happened at some point during my attempt to get Hlormar and the witch to not kill eachother, but that took many days and lots of running with boots of blinding speed, flying with levitate and using the console to find Hlormar's position after he chased me half way to Sadrith Mora.

  • @wesleyrussell8386
    @wesleyrussell8386 6 місяців тому

    ahh what could the item be, I'm baffled

  • @hodgeyhodge8414
    @hodgeyhodge8414 6 місяців тому

    How are you running so fast? My memories of Morrowind are of how brutally slow I moved. Then in Skyrim I can outrun a wolf, running backwards, in full platemail, while drawing a longbow...

    • @CoffeeNutGaming
      @CoffeeNutGaming  6 місяців тому +4

      Speed is calculated really weird in Morrowind. It takes into account the weight of the character which is tied to the starting race, current encumberance, and then your actual speed stat.
      In this video I am a naked Nord. The Nord has a high base weight ,second only to Orcs, and I have no items and a high strength so my encumberance is super low. This makes for a very speedy boi at the start of the game.

  • @billdberger7407
    @billdberger7407 3 місяці тому

    Why are so many guards glitching out?

  • @Haggysack2k8
    @Haggysack2k8 5 місяців тому

    33:02 What's it with Bard characters in DnD campaigns dying to rats? Seriously, the one DnD group in which i was for years also had this exact incident happen.
    ...And then the same player had his second character die in the exact same house where the swarm of rats was. And then while playing his 3rd character the player quit the group.
    He and another guy were just complete idiots all the time, i mean the bard that got killed by the swarm of rats actually also got pregnant before getting killed and i think the fathers were some Goblins, absolutely stereotypical.
    The second character from the second Idiot player suicided by... (having an infographic on all the characters open and i can't believe what i am reading) "Suicide by Goblin" ??? *AFTER* getting cursed and after he burned down an entire tavern (That must have happened when i was on vacation, because i can't remember this happening)...
    And the third character of the second idiot player got... murdered. By another player. Unwillingly. Reason was berserk mode because of a cursed axe.
    ... And i had my first character die because of greed and great misfortune. The fekkin Goblin that killed my first character actually survived until the end of the campaign and we played this one for 3 entire IRL years. Motherfucker Shadowhunter Ultra Elite Gobbo survived the entire thing, god damn it.
    My second character was just a stand-in character (but he survived till the end) and my 3rd also survived till the end. If you want to know what character i had, it's simple:
    Just ask yourself, what the most used build in Skyrim is. Then you have your answer. My guy was also Mr. Passive Perception, dude could frikkin smell shit from miles away.
    Also there are ways of a Bard to friendly fire really bad and unwillingly kill other players. And for Orcs with 0 brain to still completely burst down metal doors by force with their bare hands. That was some raw Power Gigachad Orc with 0 brain moment.
    ...Yes overall DnD is fun.

  • @jackmarino8162
    @jackmarino8162 5 місяців тому

    Now do it with hand to hand.

  • @TCSavageSage
    @TCSavageSage 6 місяців тому

    Hahaha if this is on the GOTY edition I have to go try this lol.

  • @user-ok3vv9pr3w
    @user-ok3vv9pr3w 5 місяців тому

    i like your ideas and your videos. Hello from Russia)

  • @ihavenoclue9756
    @ihavenoclue9756 5 місяців тому

    I have yet to clear Firemoth 😅 i tried at level 1 once

  • @maelvino
    @maelvino 6 місяців тому

    😲

  • @insertusername9755
    @insertusername9755 6 місяців тому

    So, which dlc :p There are quite a bit of those...

  • @zachlewis9751
    @zachlewis9751 6 місяців тому

    If you complete the side quest I will subscribe.
    Actually I’ve seen enough of your content to decide to subscribe, so if you complete the dungeon itself I will subscribe.

  • @lucylucian2564
    @lucylucian2564 6 місяців тому

    i would recomend the always hit mod, no reason not to have it missing ur attacks just seems stupid,one of the reasons many hate morrowind.

    • @jakacresnar5855
      @jakacresnar5855 5 місяців тому

      it's also one of the reasons many love Morrowind. If you are unskilled with a weapon (in a numbers sense, not "unskilled" as in you can't point your cursor at the enemy model), there's no reason to expect you land hits or do damage. It is good from a roleplay and immersion perspective, but bad in a strict execution sense.

  • @manikinme
    @manikinme 6 місяців тому

    hey update your mwse dude also im already subbed good job

  • @hundragant
    @hundragant 6 місяців тому

    I hate when quests remove good loot and reward you with gold.
    What's the point of making the item cool if it's useless to the player after turning in the quest? What's the NPC going to do with it? 3000 gold is nothing to a knowledgeable player but that 25 pts of Luck is pretty sweet. They should just let you keep the item, or make the item undesirable to the player if it's going to be taken away.