At an elevation of 4400 ft and in February, I’m sure it was quite cold. It was dark and I think they simply got lost. None of them had ever been camping or outdoors much so they had no survival skills. Thank you, Dr Grande for your work everyday. I love your kindness and your shirt today.
Let’s see….four of them were low functioning….the fifth one had a mental disorder that required medication and had a criminal record which, to me, is indicative of a fairly unstable individual with very little patience for nonsense and I’m sure the other four were likely intellectually unable to deal with him as he was off his medications. I’d say Bingo…you’re probably right on target with what happened. They can’t find that fifth man because he set off on his own and froze to death somewhere in those mountains far away from the others. If animals ate off the bodies of the others who were found outside, Then wherever the fifth guy fell and died he too likely had his body ravaged by animals and scattered all over. They’ll never find him. I doubt he’s alive anywhere. It was freezing cold outside and he wasn’t super man, although he may have thought he was. All five of these men should have been supervised on that road trip to the basketball game. Very sad. I feel bad for their families.
@Aaron I was in the navy and the army…the only I ever got that included what you indicated was never available in basic or infantry school. I received that training when specifically requested survival training in upstate Maine at survival, escape, and evasion school! Not every veteran gets that training.
@@christopherjohnson4276 noticed that you deleted 2 comments. One to hillbillyhell that essentially said "yes. Kids in that they were naive and mentally challenged" and then one to me saying "I'm 47 so early 20s are kids. Don't twist this" essentially contradicting yourself.
@@coolthanks1 Stop that. Christopher didn't mean anything bad or small minded when he said that. What I believe he meant was although all of those men were full grown (in the age and appearance meanings of the word) when faced with a unexpected trauma situation their response would be similar to how someone a lot younger might react under the same circumstances.
My friend and I got lost in the middle of the day on endless unmarked country roads out in Texas where we had never been before. We were in prime health and smart enough to have our own little home business. But we were city girls. It was scary. We kept driving and driving and driving - for hours. There were no "land marks" and none of the dirt roads were identified. I was really scared we'd run out of gas and never find "civilization". I can't imagine being intellectually challenged and making just one wrong turn, at night, in a country setting with no familiar landmarks, no lights and no people. When I lived in Florida, a little old lady got lost in an unmarked country area when she made ONE wrong turn returning home from the doctor. She repeatedly tried calling on her cell phone, but couldn't tell anyone where she was. She was eventually found, deceased. She had driven around, lost, until she ran out of gas and the heat got to her. Many times, people that are used to living in a population dense area, can get pretty disoriented when surrounded by nothing but country in all directions. If you add black-out night or heat or cold into the mix, it can be really dangerous. I think that's what happened. Thanks for reading this long comment!
My twin is mentally handicapped, but functional - can drive, has a job, is married, got her degree. She does not do well with panic and will do bizarre things. She locked her keys and phone in her car at a gas station and is shy around strangers, so she stood by her car for three hours before someone noticed and offered help. She has no common sense, God bless her. Thought she could clean her cloth mask by spraying it with Lysol. I could 100% see her in a situation like this. It's heartbreaking. I don't think anything nefarious or insidious happened. I think this is a case of several mentally compromised men who panicked and abandoned all common sense.
Yeah, my sister also has a developmental disability. She’s only 19 so she’s still pretty young, but I can still see how “normal” adult situations would be extremely difficult to navigate. Give her a can and a can opener, and she might not be able to connect the dots, especially in a high-stress survival situation. She’d know in theory that can openers open cans, but in a survival situation, I don’t know if she’d be able to act on that information the way I could.
My daughter is 19 and shy. She doesn't have mental delayment, but is extremely shy (although she has come out of her shell a lot since she started college and working). Your comment reminds me of things she will do just like your sister. She recently got a brand new car that came with free oil changes, one day she went to the work of my oldest daughters boyfriend because she needed air in her tire. He works at an oil changing garage and his co-workers just started doing an oil change and she was too shy to tell them she didn't need one, so she ended up paying almost $50 for an oil change on a brand new vehicle that was only a few weeks old. Another time, when she was 15 she was being driven to dance class by her sisters bf (same one as above) and he got pulled over for a headlight out and the police asked why he was with a teen girl on a Friday night. The police sperated them and tried to ask her and she wouldn't answer them because she was too shy, which obviously didn't look good on our other daughters bf who was just doing us a favor. So yes, I could definitely see her not wanting to ask someone for help and just keep walking in the wrong direction.
Bad choices and lack of intellect to do what was normal in a situation like that….dig and push that car out and retrace your route back down the mountain. That’s all they had to do. Seems odd they couldn’t figure that out but they were low functioning. These were the kind of people who would have difficult time heating up a frozen pot pie in the oven or boiling water. That’s how low functioning they were. I feel bad because they must have been so scared, especially with the fifth guy having a serious mental illness we’ll never know how bad he was off his medication. They never found him so I think he went in his own direction into the abyss.
This makes me very sad. There men had found ways to live with their disabilities and seemed to be good friends. But a series of events lead to a tragedy. And...that's how it goes sometimes. So many people are one bad day away from something terrible.
I'd love to have a Dr Grande merch t-shirt. Of course I'm not diagnosing how the T-shirt would make you feel only speculating how amazing a shirt like that could be on myself.
I wonder if that's because you've had an encounter with bad actors. I don't know for sure. Only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.
Such a tragic story. Unfortunately, too much responsibility was put on these young men to be able to cope away from home without appropriate supervision. Very sad.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 they were functional enough to go to a sporting event on their own. Unfortunately no one could look into a crystal ball and see that they would be in that situation. Preventing disabled people from doing things that they CAN do unsupervised just because there is a slight chance that something like this MIGHT happen is not practical. Non disabled people end up in silly fatal situations while going about their every day lives all the time. But we all still have to live our lives in the most fulfilling way we can. And so did they. And that meant not being followed around by a babysitter their whole lives.
@@HaleyStark. when did saying something true garner so much defensive behavior? Damn I mean you can't even open a door for a broad anymore without offending her. They where slow and maybe should have had some supervision . It's not some horrible thing to say a man who lost both his eyes cannot see. This generation is a sad one.
@@theurbanloner8879 i don't get offended. I am just educating people who don't understand disabilities. You can say that a man who has lost his eyes is blind. But if something tragic happens to him, you don't need to say that he should have had a babysitter. That too much responsibility was given to him by letting him go about his own life. Tragedies happen to people all the time. People, even people with disabilities cant live their lives worrying about the worst case scenario. Never going alone to a sporting event in case something mysterious happens and they all end up lost in the woods starving to death. Something very similar happened where I live to The Lost Boys of Pickering. They didn't have mental disabilities, and they still died mysteriously.
This is such a sad and peculiar story. Thank you Dr Grande, I really like the way you offer multiple possibilities for the questionable cases. Have a wonderful day👍
I'm actually from this area, spent a lot of time in the mountains where this case happened. A lot of people from out of state don't realize how cold it gets up there.
I , being one !!....i'm from the east coast , and when i first heard this story i could not believe it could snow like that in california ...i understand it is elevated and in the mountains of sierra nevada but i just could not wrap my head around it at first .
Personally I think Gary Mathias liked to see himself as the leader of the group, and they probably were a little intimidated by him. I think he wanted them to drive to his friends house, which is down the road they were traveling, and they just stopped when they saw the broken down beetle and then just freaked out. Incredibly sad. Dying of exposure is really miserable
This is the case that I have not and will never stop thinking about for years to come and I must know what happened before I die. I'm so glad you touched on this case!
This story is so sad and weird it makes my brain hurt !!!...there's NO WAY I could even begin to speculate, let alone create an interesting dialogue on this one.
Such a tragic case. This is a true mystery, which will never be solved, unfortunately. It's a very interesting case, but just sad. Thanks for explaining what could have happened, Dr. Grande. 🖤
When someone told Zig Ziegler that you could find a good article in Playboy he said yes and you could find a good muffin in the garbage but that's not the place to look!
kind of actually enjoying my hospital stay with Dr. Grande to keep me company! am usually at work and can’t watch until evening. thanks for making my day!
I’m familiar with this incident. It’s sad. The men seemed to be vulnerable. Now that you’ve analyzed it I’m bummed we will probably never know more than we do now. Thank you for all your effort. Great channel.
I love your comments about psychics and romance novels. And I can’t believe that someone who doesn’t know enough to run from a bedroom fire can get a driving license!
As someone who lives fairly close to Yuba City and growing up would hear about it from my mother (who was a teen at the time living around Brownsville), I appreciate this story! It's a local mystery that chills me to this day, I'd love to hear more criminal/unsolved cases from Northern CA! Thanks for another awesome vid Dr. Grande :)
“I’m pretty sure, I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.” - Norm MacDonald🥲 R.I.P.
Im sooo dayum sad about Norm. I really hope Artie doesn't relapse after this. He's been doing so well. Watched Dirty Work last night with the hubby in honor of Norm. Shit is still hilarious
Thank you, Dr Grande. In several ways, this story reminds me of one I've been hoping you would do. It's the Dyatlov Pass Incident in the Soviet Union, in 1959. A group of 9 people died in very strange circumstances. What caused it has still never been satisfactorily explained.
I don’t think that had psychological causes. Most likely something physical happened (explosions, avalanche, something) that caused them to run for their lives. It’s a great mystery, though! Would be interesting to hear his take.
@@Andreamom001 I agree with you. Rull Mourn, I too have been super interested in this case for years. For most of those years I was convinced something supernatural occurred, until I read the Dyatlov Pass book (I bet you read the same one. Came out "pretty recently" (last 5 years or so?) that had more natural explanations which made a lot more sense to me than supernatural causes. Such an intriguing case, for sure!
Wow Dr Grande, this really is a wierd and mysterious story. It is a terrible tragedy frozen in time. So sad to think that there is little if any chance of the families of these poor men ever finding out what happened. Thank you for bringing this sad tale to our attention Dr Grande.
Very measured analysis, Dr. Grande, while not skirting around the issues. I appreciate you calling out so-called psychics for the charlatans that they are. It really needs to be said. No amount of placation towards their dangerous claims of supernatural abilities ought to be tolerated. We owe it to ourselves and the wider community to staunch these people's influence upon rational inquiry in order to maintain a sense of the natural order.
People fear what they don't understand So most would agree that it's best to keep our repressed emotions unobserved, in ones shadow( not good) "We don't need no hocus pocus" Here's a fact, if ones intuitive intellegence( psychic sense) is active and a Ted Bundy crosses your path, you'll recieve a strong feeling to move away quickly. If ones sixth sense ( psychic sense) is strong you won't get on the plane that soon will crash If your sixth sense is honed( psychic ability) you'll meet your Soul mate. ( one must be in touch with their Soul to find their Soul mate) If one is intuitive ( psychic sense) You'll write that best selling book. Thanks, but I'll keep instilling the virtues of meditation and psychic ability. It's the ultimate source of protection. 🙏👁🔮😇🙂
The mystery deepened when you described the condition of the trailer and Weir’s (sp?) condition. It could be he was trying to stay warm and wrapped himself in eight sheets to stay warm. It was determined he was alive for a long time due to the length of his beard. Do beards grow after death? Also, the gold watch was strange because it was not his watch. Very interesting case. I choose mystery novels over romance any day!
beards do grow after death keep in mind he froze to death so no beard growing. besides after death you do not grow 10 weeks beard i am sure the investigators took that after death beard growing into account
@@ursodermatt8809 Of course! The coroner would be able to pin down the time of death with the beard growth. There are so many fascinating ways coroners use to solve cases. I had never thought of hair growth. The mystery deepens. What was happening in the 10 weeks in the cabin?!
Great analysis .Dr Grande.If I had to pick a theory it would be #3.I've never heard of these men,but what an extremely sad situation. I hope one day their families will be able too put these men to rest. Thank you Dr Grande. Great topic.
Dr. Grande, thank you so much! I've read quite a bit about this case, and I've always wondered if the gentleman who had the heart attack could possibly have hallucinated at least part of his experiences due to a combination of shock, hypoxia and/or severe pain...but I've literally never heard or read anyone else who brought up this possibility! I've always wondered if I was missing something, so it feels remarkably validating to hear someone else posit this hypothesis!
The theory that they got lost always puzzles me, as McGruda was able to drive around Yuba pick up the rest of the gang, drive all the way to Chico drive to the college, then drive to to shop....these sound pretty intricate to me. However when the leave Chico they immediately take the first wrong turning. It could be the truth but i personally think we are missing something.
I grew up in Yuba City and I've been to Chico quite a few times, its always kind of baffled me that they took the wrong way but I guess that things were rough before GPS
The best solution I think anyone can come up with why Gary Matthias was never found is this: (this is not my theory originally, but someone else’s). After he left Ted Weiher (probably dead) in the trailer, I suspect Matthias tried to cross a nearby frozen lake and fell through the ice. The only way to prove it is if his glasses are caught in some seaweed at the bottom of the lake. It’s been so long though, even that might be buried by now. Matthias could not have survived, he was heavily dependent on his medication, and would have shown up eventually. The fact that not even his bones were ever found makes me think he died somewhere the wolves or other wildlife wouldn’t find him.
Dr grande thank you very much your knowledge and wisdom in Psychology has help me to find who I want to be in future I enrolled to study human behaviour starting in October thanks a lot
Would still love to see your input on chronic illness/pain and how it can change personality and impact emotional well-being. You have mentioned you deal with chronic issues, so I feel you would have an interesting point of view. I have a laundry list of issues... apparently when you have one autoimmune issue you begin to collect them like Pokémon.
I'd really like to hear Dr.Grande's thoughts on this. Most people know someone with chronic health issues, or have them, themselves. Depression can definitely go in hand with chronic illnesses or pain.
I would also love this. My 9 year old's mysterious pain has not been diagnosed, despite my constant search for answers. I see his mental health slowly being effected by this. The family's mental health is also not immune to the ripple effects of his sufferings.
I think it could potentially be a good resource for those of us that deal with chronic issues, or have a loved one with them. To have someone explain why/what happens when a person deals with debilitating issues. I know I am not the same person I was before I got ill. It can be very hard to explain why I've changed in a way others can understand. Its always fun to be told "It can't be that bad" Or "You shouldn't let it change you" I understand it can be difficult to comprehend things that people don't have personal experience with, but it doesn't make that experience void. I just hope it could be another tool for people to utilize.
I learn much more from your presentations regarding actual personality disorders. I was wondering if 1 day you could present your analysis of individuals who are addicted to their cell phones. More specifically, after years and years of cellphone addiction, many people like my EX, only know how to form relationships via apps.
Great analysis as always and the third theory makes more sense to me (maybe it is only me). The color of Dr. Grande's shirt shows that fall is coming 🍁🙂.
I think the one without his medicine might have convinced the men to run and the one who died in the cabin could have been told to stay there while he went for help. They might have thought that the food was being poisoned. My husband has this illness and thinking the food is poisoned comes up a lot. He is also paranoid and thinks there are people harassing him, this even though he is on meds.
I am so sorry. It is a helpless feeling loving somebody going through that. It can also be scary. Paranoia was the first symptom my grandma developed with Alzheimer's. Of course, I have since been told that she was probably misdiagnosed, but Alzheimer's is what the doctors came up with. For her it wasn't food, she thought people were living in the attic, talking to her from the chimney trying to make her crazy, shooting radiation at her. It was horrible. She half raised me, she was a rock up until then.
First, Dr. Todd, I must apologize for a comment I made about Chris Watts case… I kind of went off the rails and then realized your video was from TWO YEARS AGO! I can’t seem to find it to delete it so please accept my apology ❤️
Wow, I live in Chico and have lived in this area (Butte County, which includes Oroville and many of the other cities mentioned and is right next Yuba County) most of my life and I’ve never heard of this very interesting case. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
"The paperback novels could be used for kindling" Me: *cringes at the thought of burning a book* "...If they were romance novels, this might have been their highest and best function" Me: As a genuine lover of books, even I can't disagree there.
VERY STRANGE- Enough Food for a year, and yet starving and dying for 8-10 weeks????? I think maybe these gentlemen’s mental flaws may have been grossly underestimated.
The man with the heart attack must've seen them though, if he identified the red truck that the other witness saw? I've heard of this case before, it's so odd.
Breaks my heart to think of what these poor guys went through. It can be hard for a group of experienced, fully functioning adults to coordinate in a crisis. Now throw in each person having some cognitive and/or behavioral issues while being lost on a dark, cold night...I can see how things ended up the way they did. And I agree with Dr Grande that Gary died trying to find help. So sad for his family not to have been able to lay him to rest and having to deal with the accusations on top of it.
I forgot about that. I remember reading that book though. I was probably way too young to be reading such a work. I remember finding it at a relative's house and I was bored. I also remember crying quiet a bit. It would also be interesting to get an analysis of the cop that survived and what he was forced to deal with in training others on what "not to do." Again, I was child when I read this, but I clearly remember the last section talking about what the department put him though.
This is my biggest gripe with Grande's uploads and analysis in general: lack of or faulty information (garbage in/ garbage out). What Mr Grande failed to include in his upload is the fact that Shone (the heart attack guy) was heard by numerous witnesses at the bar he walked to the morning after the Yuba Five disappeared saying, "I should have done this years ago (or a long time ago)" and he said this more than once. This fact was reported to law enforcement during the investigation by more than one person. Secondly, Shone also had an intellectually disabled daughter/stepdaughter which I think is critical to understanding the situation.
It’s a bizarre story I have grown up with since I was born and raised there. So many theories and no answers for the families. Although something that confuses people who are not local to the area is that Yuba City, where Gary Mathias was born, is not in Yuba County. Yuba City is Sutter County and Marysville, which is across the bridge from Yuba City is actually Yuba County.
Happy subscriber here, I look forward to each new video you upload but I wanted to ask and surely I'm not alone if you could make a video on Norm Macdonald?
I've seen a few analyses of this case and when Joe Shones came back for his car, or whether he thought it was odd that the montego was still there are never mentioned.
Today, I walked out to my car in the snow fully dressed for winter to go pick up my walmart grocery order. It was freezing cold out. My spine was stiff, teeth chattering, and body shaking. I walked for less than 30 seconds to my car. I think the bad actors' theory is the only one of the theories that makes sense. These men, dressed for a basketball game, would not walk miles up a mountain in the freezing snow unless there was foulplay involved. Yes, they had some slight to moderate cognitive impairments. I think a couple of them had more social troubles than cognitive. They're still human beings. Go walk uphill in the windy snow at night in blue jeans, a t-shirt, walking shoes, and maybe a light jacket. See how long it takes for you to turn back. There was something pushing these men further up the mountain or something that had them too scared to turn around.
Me and my son got lost in that same area last December while looking for a Christmas tree to cut. It's scary how easy it is to get turned around in the deep forest. I kept my cool and didn't panic, not wanting to upset my son and eventually found our way back after an hour or so. The only reason i was able to do that was because i barely heard a semi truck way off in the distance. We had been going the opposite direction that i thought we were and had wandered about a mile from our car. Don't make that mistake, it's INCREDIBLEY easy to get lost in the forest.
At an elevation of 4400 ft and in February, I’m sure it was quite cold. It was dark and I think they simply got lost. None of them had ever been camping or outdoors much so they had no survival skills.
Thank you, Dr Grande for your work everyday. I love your kindness and your shirt today.
I think you are right.
Mathias was an Army veteran and had been deployed overseas
Matthias had survival skills. Why wouldn't they stay with the car? Why were they so far from home anyway?
Let’s see….four of them were low functioning….the fifth one had a mental disorder that required medication and had a criminal record which, to me, is indicative of a fairly unstable individual with very little patience for nonsense and I’m sure the other four were likely intellectually unable to deal with him as he was off his medications. I’d say Bingo…you’re probably right on target with what happened. They can’t find that fifth man because he set off on his own and froze to death somewhere in those mountains far away from the others. If animals ate off the bodies of the others who were found outside, Then wherever the fifth guy fell and died he too likely had his body ravaged by animals and scattered all over. They’ll never find him. I doubt he’s alive anywhere. It was freezing cold outside and he wasn’t super man, although he may have thought he was. All five of these men should have been supervised on that road trip to the basketball game. Very sad. I feel bad for their families.
@Aaron I was in the navy and the army…the only I ever got that included what you indicated was never available in basic or infantry school. I received that training when specifically requested survival training in upstate Maine at survival, escape, and evasion school! Not every veteran gets that training.
Those poor young men. I can imagine how lost, confused and terrified they must have been. Thanks for your analysis, Dr. Grande.
@@christopherjohnson4276 disabled adults are not automatically children. That's incredibly demeaning and it's a small minded thing to say.
@@coolthanks1 Edited. I hope you can all rest easy now.
@@christopherjohnson4276 noticed that you deleted 2 comments. One to hillbillyhell that essentially said "yes. Kids in that they were naive and mentally challenged" and then one to me saying "I'm 47 so early 20s are kids. Don't twist this" essentially contradicting yourself.
@@coolthanks1 Stop that. Christopher didn't mean anything bad or small minded when he said that. What I believe he meant was although all of those men were full grown (in the age and appearance meanings of the word) when faced with a unexpected trauma situation their response would be similar to how someone a lot younger might react under the same circumstances.
@@mariakelly1059 thank you 😊
My friend and I got lost in the middle of the day on endless unmarked country roads out in Texas where we had never been before. We were in prime health and smart enough to have our own little home business. But we were city girls. It was scary. We kept driving and driving and driving - for hours. There were no "land marks" and none of the dirt roads were identified. I was really scared we'd run out of gas and never find "civilization". I can't imagine being intellectually challenged and making just one wrong turn, at night, in a country setting with no familiar landmarks, no lights and no people. When I lived in Florida, a little old lady got lost in an unmarked country area when she made ONE wrong turn returning home from the doctor. She repeatedly tried calling on her cell phone, but couldn't tell anyone where she was. She was eventually found, deceased. She had driven around, lost, until she ran out of gas and the heat got to her. Many times, people that are used to living in a population dense area, can get pretty disoriented when surrounded by nothing but country in all directions. If you add black-out night or heat or cold into the mix, it can be really dangerous. I think that's what happened. Thanks for reading this long comment!
Getting lost is scary ,no doubt
Tragic! Poor woman!
Ok karen
Darwin awards
" Smart enough to have your own home business." I don't have my own home business.. but I've found my new Karen to inspire me😂
My twin is mentally handicapped, but functional - can drive, has a job, is married, got her degree. She does not do well with panic and will do bizarre things. She locked her keys and phone in her car at a gas station and is shy around strangers, so she stood by her car for three hours before someone noticed and offered help. She has no common sense, God bless her. Thought she could clean her cloth mask by spraying it with Lysol.
I could 100% see her in a situation like this. It's heartbreaking. I don't think anything nefarious or insidious happened. I think this is a case of several mentally compromised men who panicked and abandoned all common sense.
Yeah, my sister also has a developmental disability. She’s only 19 so she’s still pretty young, but I can still see how “normal” adult situations would be extremely difficult to navigate. Give her a can and a can opener, and she might not be able to connect the dots, especially in a high-stress survival situation. She’d know in theory that can openers open cans, but in a survival situation, I don’t know if she’d be able to act on that information the way I could.
This thought occurred to me too, is why they wouldn't eat the food in the trailer because it's "stealing" 🙁
My daughter is 19 and shy. She doesn't have mental delayment, but is extremely shy (although she has come out of her shell a lot since she started college and working). Your comment reminds me of things she will do just like your sister. She recently got a brand new car that came with free oil changes, one day she went to the work of my oldest daughters boyfriend because she needed air in her tire. He works at an oil changing garage and his co-workers just started doing an oil change and she was too shy to tell them she didn't need one, so she ended up paying almost $50 for an oil change on a brand new vehicle that was only a few weeks old. Another time, when she was 15 she was being driven to dance class by her sisters bf (same one as above) and he got pulled over for a headlight out and the police asked why he was with a teen girl on a Friday night. The police sperated them and tried to ask her and she wouldn't answer them because she was too shy, which obviously didn't look good on our other daughters bf who was just doing us a favor. So yes, I could definitely see her not wanting to ask someone for help and just keep walking in the wrong direction.
Bless her heart. Thank you for the insight
Thank you for your insights and helping people to understand.
"... just like psychic abilities, the house did not exist" omg Dr Grande you made me LOL in the dentist waiting room
The reason most people get lost and die in the wilderness can be explained by the phrase "somebody had a bad idea".
Bad choices and lack of intellect to do what was normal in a situation like that….dig and push that car out and retrace your route back down the mountain. That’s all they had to do. Seems odd they couldn’t figure that out but they were low functioning. These were the kind of people who would have difficult time heating up a frozen pot pie in the oven or boiling water. That’s how low functioning they were. I feel bad because they must have been so scared, especially with the fifth guy having a serious mental illness we’ll never know how bad he was off his medication. They never found him so I think he went in his own direction into the abyss.
This makes me very sad. There men had found ways to live with their disabilities and seemed to be good friends. But a series of events lead to a tragedy. And...that's how it goes sometimes. So many people are one bad day away from something terrible.
I'd love to have a Dr Grande merch t-shirt. Of course I'm not diagnosing how the T-shirt would make you feel only speculating how amazing a shirt like that could be on myself.
I wonder if that's because you've had an encounter with bad actors. I don't know for sure. Only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.
Well when one has to speculate on speculations of speculations on a situation like this one can only speculate.
@@cherylbo888 this sub thread is hilarious!!!🤣 Hopefully more read it
@@shelbybrown8312 🤣
you cant do that, you can only speculate on what could be happening in a situation like if you got a dr grande shirt
8:37 “If they were romance novels, this may have been their highest and best function!” 🤣😂
😂😂😂😂 I almost died 💀🤣
Such a tragic story. Unfortunately, too much responsibility was put on these young men to be able to cope away from home without appropriate supervision. Very sad.
They were all functional. Disabled people deserve independent lives. Sometimes tragedies just happen.
@@HaleyStark. they were functional in certain living situations, but being lost like this was obviously not in their wheelhouse
@@HavanaSyndrome69 they were functional enough to go to a sporting event on their own. Unfortunately no one could look into a crystal ball and see that they would be in that situation. Preventing disabled people from doing things that they CAN do unsupervised just because there is a slight chance that something like this MIGHT happen is not practical. Non disabled people end up in silly fatal situations while going about their every day lives all the time. But we all still have to live our lives in the most fulfilling way we can. And so did they. And that meant not being followed around by a babysitter their whole lives.
@@HaleyStark. when did saying something true garner so much defensive behavior? Damn I mean you can't even open a door for a broad anymore without offending her. They where slow and maybe should have had some supervision . It's not some horrible thing to say a man who lost both his eyes cannot see. This generation is a sad one.
@@theurbanloner8879 i don't get offended. I am just educating people who don't understand disabilities. You can say that a man who has lost his eyes is blind. But if something tragic happens to him, you don't need to say that he should have had a babysitter. That too much responsibility was given to him by letting him go about his own life. Tragedies happen to people all the time. People, even people with disabilities cant live their lives worrying about the worst case scenario. Never going alone to a sporting event in case something mysterious happens and they all end up lost in the woods starving to death. Something very similar happened where I live to The Lost Boys of Pickering. They didn't have mental disabilities, and they still died mysteriously.
This is such a sad and peculiar story. Thank you Dr Grande, I really like the way you offer multiple possibilities for the questionable cases. Have a wonderful day👍
I love them moments that go like "but, just like psychic abilities... it did not exist." :'D
I'm actually from this area, spent a lot of time in the mountains where this case happened. A lot of people from out of state don't realize how cold it gets up there.
I , being one !!....i'm from the east coast , and when i first heard this story i could not believe it could snow like that in california ...i understand it is elevated and in the mountains of sierra nevada but i just could not wrap my head around it at first .
My psychic abilities are telling me that Dr. Grande will have a new arrangement behind him very soon. It's a vision.
OH MAN!! TAKE MY MONEY!! ALL OF IT!! TAKE IT AND TELL ME LIES!!!
You have a gift!
@@Vonononie and *you* have a *beautiful moustacheio*
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface thank you! Your green hair is majestic
@@Vonononie isn't it though
I am about 9 minutes in and so confused. I cannot wait for Dr Grande to tell me what he thinks happened so I can agree and be at ease again.
I've watched you for 2 years here in England and you just get better.
Nice wardrobe too!
With how suggestible they were, and how mean people can be, the possibilities are many.
Personally I think Gary Mathias liked to see himself as the leader of the group, and they probably were a little intimidated by him. I think he wanted them to drive to his friends house, which is down the road they were traveling, and they just stopped when they saw the broken down beetle and then just freaked out. Incredibly sad. Dying of exposure is really miserable
This is the case that I have not and will never stop thinking about for years to come and I must know what happened before I die. I'm so glad you touched on this case!
@@crochunter35 lol
Thank you for your consistent and reliable work, I keep watching everything and liking it very much, thank you.
This its one of the most bizarre and haunting cases and until a few years very unkown
This story is so sad and weird it makes my brain hurt !!!...there's NO WAY I could even begin to speculate, let alone create an interesting dialogue on this one.
Such a tragic case. This is a true mystery, which will never be solved, unfortunately. It's a very interesting case, but just sad. Thanks for explaining what could have happened, Dr. Grande. 🖤
DrS I completely agree with you.
@@cottontails9003 This sure was a strange one. 🤔
That romance novel "burn" - total zinger and what I look for in a Dr. Grande video, a snarky reality check ❤
He's funny sometimes, but this was actually a pretty dumb joke and showed him being surprisingly small-minded.
@@MelusineWinter it definitely seemed strained
The same cannot be said about Playboy or Penthouse.
When someone told Zig Ziegler that you could find a good article in Playboy he said yes and you could find a good muffin in the garbage but that's not the place to look!
@@bthomson hahahaha i really enjoyed this comment/quote =) haha
kind of actually enjoying my hospital stay with Dr. Grande to keep me company! am usually at work and can’t watch until evening. thanks for making my day!
Get better soon!
hope they can sew your ears back on and you can go home soon =) just make sure they put the right one on each side.
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 🤭😄😂
@@alenapantlova5997 =)
All the best for a speedy recovery and better food soon!
I’m familiar with this incident. It’s sad. The men seemed to be vulnerable. Now that you’ve analyzed it I’m bummed we will probably never know more than we do now. Thank you for all your effort. Great channel.
this case has always fascinated me, can't wait to hear what you have to say!
That sad what happen to those men. It does sound like that they got lost and didn’t know what to do,
Great video Dr Grande!!!
I love your comments about psychics and romance novels.
And I can’t believe that someone who doesn’t know enough to run from a bedroom fire can get a driving license!
I literally saw someone request this case in the comments yesterday! How does Dr Grande make content this fast??
WOW!!!! What a story! Never heard of this. And in the mountains I love. These poor guys. 😢
As someone who lives fairly close to Yuba City and growing up would hear about it from my mother (who was a teen at the time living around Brownsville), I appreciate this story! It's a local mystery that chills me to this day, I'd love to hear more criminal/unsolved cases from Northern CA! Thanks for another awesome vid Dr. Grande :)
Me too! There are so many people missing mysteriously in Nor Cal
The kiddy cabin murders is horrible i always wonder who did it
Holy crap you wrote a book! How did I not know? Must purchase immediately. It looks pretty good.
He wrote two books. One is about serial killers and the new one is a novel. Busy guy!
Yes and how 'bout those pod casts!
Dr Grande I've been waiting for this one and forgot about it. Such a tragic case of men who were trying to have the best life they could.
“I’m pretty sure, I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure if you die, the cancer dies at the same time. That’s not a loss. That’s a draw.” - Norm MacDonald🥲 R.I.P.
Didn't know until I read your post and googled Norm. Damn.
What Norm is Dead?!!!! Why?!! OMG R.I.P!!🤧😭😢
@@TheYoli182 sorry.😿
Im sooo dayum sad about Norm. I really hope Artie doesn't relapse after this. He's been doing so well. Watched Dirty Work last night with the hubby in honor of Norm. Shit is still hilarious
@@TheYoli182 leukemia. Had it for 9yrs
Romance novels best used for kindling! ROTFL. Ooooh Doc, I will eagerly second that motion.
Thank you, Dr Grande. In several ways, this story reminds me of one I've been hoping you would do. It's the Dyatlov Pass Incident in the Soviet Union, in 1959. A group of 9 people died in very strange circumstances. What caused it has still never been satisfactorily explained.
I don’t think that had psychological causes. Most likely something physical happened (explosions, avalanche, something) that caused them to run for their lives. It’s a great mystery, though! Would be interesting to hear his take.
@@Andreamom001..I've studied the case off n on for years. I have my own ideas of what caused it. So ya, interesting to hear his analysis.
@@Andreamom001 I agree with you. Rull Mourn, I too have been super interested in this case for years. For most of those years I was convinced something supernatural occurred, until I read the Dyatlov Pass book (I bet you read the same one. Came out "pretty recently" (last 5 years or so?) that had more natural explanations which made a lot more sense to me than supernatural causes. Such an intriguing case, for sure!
Is he going to do a psychological analysis of the Russian hikers or of the aliens who killed them?
@@Big_Tex Was there evidence of anal probes, or genital exams ?? 😰
I remember this case.
Love your analysis and opinions.
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Wow Dr Grande, this really is a wierd and mysterious story. It is a terrible tragedy frozen in time. So sad to think that there is little if any chance of the families of these poor men ever finding out what happened. Thank you for bringing this sad tale to our attention Dr Grande.
Very measured analysis, Dr. Grande, while not skirting around the issues. I appreciate you calling out so-called psychics for the charlatans that they are. It really needs to be said. No amount of placation towards their dangerous claims of supernatural abilities ought to be tolerated. We owe it to ourselves and the wider community to staunch these people's influence upon rational inquiry in order to maintain a sense of the natural order.
People fear what they don't understand
So most would agree that it's best to keep our repressed emotions unobserved, in ones shadow( not good)
"We don't need no hocus pocus"
Here's a fact, if ones intuitive intellegence( psychic sense) is active and a Ted Bundy crosses your path, you'll recieve a strong feeling to move away quickly.
If ones sixth sense ( psychic sense) is strong you won't get on the plane that soon will crash
If your sixth sense is honed( psychic ability) you'll meet your Soul mate.
( one must be in touch with their Soul to find their Soul mate)
If one is intuitive ( psychic sense)
You'll write that best selling book.
Thanks, but I'll keep instilling the virtues of meditation and psychic ability.
It's the ultimate source of protection.
🙏👁🔮😇🙂
The mystery deepened when you described the condition of the trailer and Weir’s (sp?) condition. It could be he was trying to stay warm and wrapped himself in eight sheets to stay warm. It was determined he was alive for a long time due to the length of his beard. Do beards grow after death? Also, the gold watch was strange because it was not his watch. Very interesting case. I choose mystery novels over romance any day!
If you like mysteries try Josephine Tey especially Brat Farrar!
@@bthomson Thank you for the recommendation Bruce!
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beards do grow after death
keep in mind he froze to death so no beard growing.
besides after death you do not grow 10 weeks beard
i am sure the investigators took that after death beard growing into account
@@ursodermatt8809 Of course! The coroner would be able to pin down the time of death with the beard growth. There are so many fascinating ways coroners use to solve cases. I had never thought of hair growth. The mystery deepens. What was happening in the 10 weeks in the cabin?!
Compassionate and insightful as always. Those poor lads.
Bro, I have been waiting for you to do this subject for sooooo long, thanks for the insight Doc 😀👍
Oh Wow, im so excited to hear your analysis on this one!
Ooo I've never heard of this case!!! Thanks Dr. Grande for consistently providing interesting, objective analysis!!! ❤️
I really liked this video. Obscure (to me anyway) cases are the best. They make me want to find out more about them. Thank you Dr. Grande!
Great analysis .Dr Grande.If I had to pick a theory it would be #3.I've never heard of these men,but what an extremely sad situation. I hope one day their families will be able too put these men to rest. Thank you Dr Grande. Great topic.
Excellent episode. Enjoyed the analysis. Agree completely with your take on psychics.
First time I heard this story is when I watched Nexpo’s video on the incident. So naturally I was excited to see Dr. Grande’s take on it! :)
That's the channel I watched the other video about this event a couple of nights ago.
Great story! And a great story teller!
Dr. Grande, thank you so much! I've read quite a bit about this case, and I've always wondered if the gentleman who had the heart attack could possibly have hallucinated at least part of his experiences due to a combination of shock, hypoxia and/or severe pain...but I've literally never heard or read anyone else who brought up this possibility!
I've always wondered if I was missing something, so it feels remarkably validating to hear someone else posit this hypothesis!
Your comments on them made the most sense thus far.
Never heard of this case, I live very close to yuba city so very interesting.
Great analysis. I think your best work is with mysteries
The theory that they got lost always puzzles me, as McGruda was able to drive around Yuba pick up the rest of the gang, drive all the way to Chico drive to the college, then drive to to shop....these sound pretty intricate to me. However when the leave Chico they immediately take the first wrong turning. It could be the truth but i personally think we are missing something.
I grew up in Yuba City and I've been to Chico quite a few times, its always kind of baffled me that they took the wrong way but I guess that things were rough before GPS
Me too. I wonder if it was foggy that night. The fog there can be very dense.
That's the thing, I have spent a lot of time looking at this case and people from the area say it's not an easy mistake to end up there.
@@somethinginthenothing it’s true. If you have any knowledge of the area at all then none of this story would make sense.
There's one still missing right? I have my theories.....
@@FallFluff
What are your theories?
What a sad and incredibly mysterious case!
Your comment about using the Romace Novels for kindling was hilarious! 😂
The best solution I think anyone can come up with why Gary Matthias was never found is this: (this is not my theory originally, but someone else’s). After he left Ted Weiher (probably dead) in the trailer, I suspect Matthias tried to cross a nearby frozen lake and fell through the ice. The only way to prove it is if his glasses are caught in some seaweed at the bottom of the lake. It’s been so long though, even that might be buried by now. Matthias could not have survived, he was heavily dependent on his medication, and would have shown up eventually. The fact that not even his bones were ever found makes me think he died somewhere the wolves or other wildlife wouldn’t find him.
Dr grande thank you very much your knowledge and wisdom in Psychology has help me to find who I want to be in future I enrolled to study human behaviour starting in October thanks a lot
If there was ever any question of the far reaching influence this puts it to rest!
"If they were romance novels this may have been their highest and best function".😂😂😂
Would still love to see your input on chronic illness/pain and how it can change personality and impact emotional well-being. You have mentioned you deal with chronic issues, so I feel you would have an interesting point of view. I have a laundry list of issues... apparently when you have one autoimmune issue you begin to collect them like Pokémon.
This would be an awesome video ☺️
@@no-one.in.particular I think so too. I didn't really deal with mental health issues until I got hurt/sick. Its been a boulder downhill since.
I'd really like to hear Dr.Grande's thoughts on this. Most people know someone with chronic health issues, or have them, themselves. Depression can definitely go in hand with chronic illnesses or pain.
I would also love this. My 9 year old's mysterious pain has not been diagnosed, despite my constant search for answers. I see his mental health slowly being effected by this. The family's mental health is also not immune to the ripple effects of his sufferings.
I think it could potentially be a good resource for those of us that deal with chronic issues, or have a loved one with them. To have someone explain why/what happens when a person deals with debilitating issues. I know I am not the same person I was before I got ill. It can be very hard to explain why I've changed in a way others can understand. Its always fun to be told
"It can't be that bad"
Or
"You shouldn't let it change you"
I understand it can be difficult to comprehend things that people don't have personal experience with, but it doesn't make that experience void. I just hope it could be another tool for people to utilize.
I learn much more from your presentations regarding actual personality disorders. I was wondering if 1 day you could present your analysis of individuals who are addicted to their cell phones. More specifically, after years and years of cellphone addiction, many people like my EX, only know how to form relationships via apps.
This was such a sad, strange case. Thank you.
I really appreciate your logical views of these strange cases. I’ve seen other channels claim supernatural reasons for disappearances.
Great analysis as always and the third theory makes more sense to me (maybe it is only me). The color of Dr. Grande's shirt shows that fall is coming 🍁🙂.
I think the one without his medicine might have convinced the men to run and the one who died in the cabin could have been told to stay there while he went for help. They might have thought that the
food was being poisoned. My husband has this illness and thinking the food is poisoned comes up a lot. He is also paranoid and thinks there are people harassing him, this even though he is on meds.
I am so sorry. It is a helpless feeling loving somebody going through that. It can also be scary. Paranoia was the first symptom my grandma developed with Alzheimer's. Of course, I have since been told that she was probably misdiagnosed, but Alzheimer's is what the doctors came up with. For her it wasn't food, she thought people were living in the attic, talking to her from the chimney trying to make her crazy, shooting radiation at her. It was horrible. She half raised me, she was a rock up until then.
Does he take lithium? His body could be used to it.
First, Dr. Todd, I must apologize for a comment I made about Chris Watts case… I kind of went off the rails and then realized your video was from TWO YEARS AGO! I can’t seem to find it to delete it so please accept my apology ❤️
Few people apologize or admit they are wrong. You show good character to do so. Many of us could learn from you.
Another VERY interresting video Dr.
G! Thank you! I'll have to read about this one!
Wow, I live in Chico and have lived in this area (Butte County, which includes Oroville and many of the other cities mentioned and is right next Yuba County) most of my life and I’ve never heard of this very interesting case. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
"The paperback novels could be used for kindling"
Me: *cringes at the thought of burning a book*
"...If they were romance novels, this might have been their highest and best function"
Me: As a genuine lover of books, even I can't disagree there.
VERY STRANGE- Enough Food for a year, and yet starving and dying for 8-10 weeks????? I think maybe these gentlemen’s mental flaws may have been grossly underestimated.
Will you do a video in gabby petito? Thanks Dr Grande!
The man with the heart attack must've seen them though, if he identified the red truck that the other witness saw?
I've heard of this case before, it's so odd.
Another strange case, with psychics 🔮 🤔Thanks Dr G😊💕💕
Breaks my heart to think of what these poor guys went through. It can be hard for a group of experienced, fully functioning adults to coordinate in a crisis. Now throw in each person having some cognitive and/or behavioral issues while being lost on a dark, cold night...I can see how things ended up the way they did. And I agree with Dr Grande that Gary died trying to find help. So sad for his family not to have been able to lay him to rest and having to deal with the accusations on top of it.
👍great vid from the doc!! 🙋🏼♀️
Just here for the snark and the shirts. Not disappointed! 👏👏👏
What! Not the comment section! This channel has the very best comments in all of YT! Watch! I'll prove it to you!👻👽👾🤖😻👩🎓💃👀👣💫💤
Dr Grande love your comment about romance novels.😃 Would it be possible to do an analysis on the Onion Field Murders? Thanks!🐕🐕🐦🐘
I forgot about that. I remember reading that book though. I was probably way too young to be reading such a work. I remember finding it at a relative's house and I was bored. I also remember crying quiet a bit. It would also be interesting to get an analysis of the cop that survived and what he was forced to deal with in training others on what "not to do." Again, I was child when I read this, but I clearly remember the last section talking about what the department put him though.
Great video with great jokes when chuckles are needed...thanks,Doc.🤘
I just watched a documentary about this last Saturday! This is heartbreaking.
"..if they were romance novels, this may have been their highest and best function.." hah, love these deadpan statements you get in Dr Grande analyses
Such a sad story. Thank you so much for the great video.
I swear Dr. G’s already done this one!
I thought he had too, must be another case...
I've heard about this. Glad you're covering it.
This is my biggest gripe with Grande's uploads and analysis in general: lack of or faulty information (garbage in/ garbage out). What Mr Grande failed to include in his upload is the fact that Shone (the heart attack guy) was heard by numerous witnesses at the bar he walked to the morning after the Yuba Five disappeared saying, "I should have done this years ago (or a long time ago)" and he said this more than once. This fact was reported to law enforcement during the investigation by more than one person. Secondly, Shone also had an intellectually disabled daughter/stepdaughter which I think is critical to understanding the situation.
It’s a bizarre story I have grown up with since I was born and raised there. So many theories and no answers for the families. Although something that confuses people who are not local to the area is that Yuba City, where Gary Mathias was born, is not in Yuba County. Yuba City is Sutter County and Marysville, which is across the bridge from Yuba City is actually Yuba County.
I can't make heads or tails of this case so I'll use my comment to say that I dig your shirt, Dr Grande. Your style never fails to impress. 👏👏👏
Happy subscriber here, I look forward to each new video you upload but I wanted to ask and surely I'm not alone if you could make a video on Norm Macdonald?
the psychic burn = 10/10, Dr. Grande!
Dr Grande, please do an analysis on the case of Joan Risch! Would love to hear your speculations.
Tragic n interesting Dr,Todd✌
My favorite disappearance/mystery .
Looking at the small thumbnail, it looked like Barney Fife's pic behind Dr. G., lol.
Your right!🤣😋
Barney was lucky to have Andy Taylor save his backside 99% of the time!
I've seen a few analyses of this case and when Joe Shones came back for his car, or whether he thought it was odd that the montego was still there are never mentioned.
Today, I walked out to my car in the snow fully dressed for winter to go pick up my walmart grocery order. It was freezing cold out. My spine was stiff, teeth chattering, and body shaking. I walked for less than 30 seconds to my car.
I think the bad actors' theory is the only one of the theories that makes sense. These men, dressed for a basketball game, would not walk miles up a mountain in the freezing snow unless there was foulplay involved. Yes, they had some slight to moderate cognitive impairments. I think a couple of them had more social troubles than cognitive. They're still human beings. Go walk uphill in the windy snow at night in blue jeans, a t-shirt, walking shoes, and maybe a light jacket. See how long it takes for you to turn back.
There was something pushing these men further up the mountain or something that had them too scared to turn around.
"just like psychic abilities, the houses did not exist" 🤣🤣🤣 perfect analysis
This is so sad. I'm sorry the families will never have a definitive answer.
Dr. Grande, your intelect and sense of humor make you "muy guapo." 😁
Hey! I looked that up and this is more flirting!
@@bthomson lol. Nope. I'm pushing 50 years old and married to a smokin hot gringo. I only flirt with my beloved husband. 😁💙🙏
That’s just down right sad. I guess no one will ever know for sure why they did what they did.
These poor men. It sounds as if they got lost and panicked. Was there severe weather?
Snow
Me and my son got lost in that same area last December while looking for a Christmas tree to cut. It's scary how easy it is to get turned around in the deep forest. I kept my cool and didn't panic, not wanting to upset my son and eventually found our way back after an hour or so. The only reason i was able to do that was because i barely heard a semi truck way off in the distance. We had been going the opposite direction that i thought we were and had wandered about a mile from our car. Don't make that mistake, it's INCREDIBLEY easy to get lost in the forest.