Why do people still buy Intel Macs in 2024? - Aren't Apple Silicon Macs better?
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2025
- Gonna miss the Intel family of MacBooks.
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2012 macbook pro owner here, running sonoma and upgraded to 16GB of ram and 1TB SSD. Still on it's original battery too, although it's nearing 900 cycles.
How did you get macOS Sanoma to run natively on a 2012 Mac?
@@randomdude1053 through opencore.
@@randomdude1053 opencore legacy patcher. I updated mine last week and impressed with the results. Happy Hackintoshing 😊
I thought my 2015 MBP was old enough 😂 thanks for letting me know how wrong I am 😂🎉
@@declanzhang2391 my mum has one and it's still running fine too! But as for my 2012 I will admit the M series is enticing though for the battery. I'll probabbly get a used M1 later this year.
All valid points, I think the Mac Pro 2013 deserves an honorable mention as a hobby PC due to the prices falling as they should have long ago.
Thanks a bunch!
Yeah I probably should have talked more about them. Only issue is their heat problems, and lack of huge improvements over the 5,1. Still a nice price these days
Yup, I used the 2013 Mac Pro as a plex server for a couple years before getting a gaming pc. I literary sold the 2013 for a bit more than I paid for and used it for more than 2 years lol
I’m still using my 2 Mac Pro 2010 and Mac Pro 2013 , Mac Pro 2013 has a eGpu connected with a Radeon Vega 56.
Speaking of the 2013 Mac Pro, I'm actually thinking about grabbing myself one to use for web browsing and creative stuff using older (but more reliable) iLife software.
Once my paycheck comes in, I'll definitely invest in a secondhand one.
@@TheBalkanSpyI’m curious how you went about making it a pled server, just got my hands on a 2009 Max Pro and was thinking about making it a server
Intel Mac can run older macOS ( games-app 32/64) and dual boot, can run 3 or more display. I’m allow to upgrade my own GPU, HD/SSD/PCI slot PCI.. Intel Mac have Blu ray drives
A lot of which I covered in my video, lol. Thanks for watching ❤️
The 2012 imac is my favorite, its one of the last repairable and reliable macs
@@Warp2090 Isn't that the 2011? I'm pretty sure the 2012 was the new thin form
@@jeffreyvai6750 I meant macbook pro sorry
I bought last year a 2019 16” MacBook Pro for the reason that all engineering apps are only available on windows. I’m talking about Revit, autocad plant 3D, aveva e3D etc.
It’s noisy and battery life is not great, but the build quality and the possibility to boot both in macOS and windows is priceless. If I had the possibility to run my engineering apps on the new Mac’s I would switch immediately. And parallels is not a solution, I need hardware accelerated graphics.
I’d heard about that, yeah. There definitely are still strong incentives to buy x86 despite what people say. Thanks for the insight!
Lmao, you could have gotten something other than a Mac, like a ThinkPad!
why are you even using a mac then? you should have a windows gaming laptop with an nvidia graphics card for what you are doing.
Just get a windows machine. You probably paid on that Mac the price for a very capable windows machine.
Bro bought inferior 5 years old macbook to run windows on it. New midrange windows laptop outperforms it and is upgradeable for much lower price lol. What was the point? Intel macbooks are dead. Forgotten. They still cost a lot and offer literally nothing. Just buy a M2 Air instead of any intel macbook, that passively cooled M2 Air will outperform the older i9...
Im more worried about the software. If Apple stops rolling out Updates to any Intel-based mashine, you'll not be able to install the newer OS on unsupported devices due to the different CPU-architechtures. Opencore will die evenuelly and there is nothing we can do about it. You'll need to buy the newest tech if you want to run MacOS, where hte RAM and SSD's are soldered to the board and Apple just messes with the consumer market, by charging absurd prices for fixing dead SSD's. Anyway, you still did a good job explainung the pros and cons when buying Intel-based Macs.
Very good points. That’s the main thing holding Intel Mac Pro users back these days. It’s akin to the PowerPC obsolescence. Only a matter of time.
Thanks a lot for watching!
Post Sonoma Mac OS shall still be intel capable (this give in theory 3 years of security update) putting us in theory in 2027
Then indeed Switch to Linux or Windows will become the only viable way to continue safe usage I personally put my hope into Linux which is okay for casual usage and works well on most Intel Macs
That's what windows and Linux is for🤔
A used 2019 is the best buy with used AMD 6950 and third party memory and pcie SSD and run windows orinic
@@Tigerex966 you’d be paying for things like the T2 chip, the airport card and more that you’d never use to their full extent. Seems like a really poor move to buy a $5k Mac to run windows lol
I'm still using a Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015 and I love it. It's still my go-to laptop despite also having a 14" 2021 Pro machine as well.
I have a BTO 2015 15” MBP. Fantastic machine hobbled only by its aging battery (and if I’m honest, the fans crank up all the time).
And the design has aged incredibly well…looks right at home next to my M2 MBP and Studio Display.
Also have 2015 MBP. Battery needs to be replaced. Thinking loud fans happen Bec of poor battery. Love all the ports. I was thinking of replacing battery to use a lil longer as daily laptop but got tempted with MBA M2 15 16/1tb at $1499.
@@JimmyDoresHairDyeI have the same laptop and my fans used to go up all the time, one hardware fix helps: putting in new thermal paste between the CPU and vapour tube (you'll find tutorials online, it's easy). Also don't open too many tabs on your browser and no 60 fps videos on youtube...(just chose a lower frame rate/resolution)
Mine runs hot like a toaster, can't even put on lap after 10 mins.
Apple M chips are way way better
i currently use a 2015 27 inch 5k imac in my office. let me tell you, they dont make them like this anymore, this thing is a work of art. windows guys just dont get how we could be happy with 10 year old machines. its becasue with windows 10 year old machines are as good as junk. with apple, this shit just lasts. they just dont get it.
i sold my M1 TB 13" MacBook Pro back in 2023 and bought a 16" i9 TB MacBook Pro... i loved the performance of the M1 in Luminar or FCPX but for i really wanted that bigger screen size! A Thin but still decent sized, portable Mac... I started to see the REAL benefit of the Intels by a couple of Weeks and Months, for me it is surprisingly the Touchbar is what holds me back from upgrading, also the phenomenal Speakers on this thing! Never heard such good speakers in any laptop. Also the Quad Thunderbolt Port selection is a major point for me, i personally never use HDMI or a SD card reader... I mean yes it gets burning hot when cutting Video, Editing Photos or just putting it under a heavy workload BUT it still runs perfectly in alomost any condition performance wise! I could go on and on why i still love my i9 Mac :)
Yeah I don’t believe you at all lmaoo, no way you convinced yourself to downgrade that bad. What a terrible decision
I upgraded my mothers 5k iMac (2015) with 16gb of RAM, changed the Fusion Drive for a SSD and renewed its thermal paste. Having the capability of upgrading is something I miss about the ARM Macs because its kind of a hobby. I did this to several iMacs and changed the battery on a retina MacBook Pro.
why did they call it a fusion drive not a hard drive 😂 typical apple trying to be special
@@Warp2090 It’s called Fusion Drive because it contains a HDD but also SSD. First Apple used a 128gb PCI SSD and a HDD for fusion drives and those were pretty good but they changed it for the 5k iMac. Only models with 2tb or more get a 128 ssd for their fusion drives, if you only have 1 TB you get a 24gb flash storage and 24gb is nothing. Unfortunately my mother has the 1 TB version and I didn’t knew it when we bought it, I thought it was the same as in my 2013 iMac
@@gockelxxxxxl9584 ohh I see
@@Warp2090 It was a beefed up SSHDD
recently replaced battery of my MacBook Pro 2014, cleaned up dusty inside and added new thermal paste.
running smoothly again, not bad for a 10 year old laptop.
i bought a refurb late 2015 5k iMac right before c*vid hit in 2020, then didn't need it. just pulled it out of the box a few months ago and stuck 64 gigs in it. probably won't upgrade the OS past Sonoma. fantastic machine.
I got an 2020 macboook Pro Intel i5 with 16gb RAM from work for $260, because they're moving over to M1. This Intel exports 4k video in resolve faster than real time and from what I can see it operates as fast as an M1 in most areas AND most importantly has 4 thunderbolt ports. M1 is great and all, but I thing I got a deal of the decade.
I have a 13" 2016 Macbook pro, with 16 GB of RAM and I upgraded the ssd to 2 TB. I have it plugged into a doc and use it as a desktop machine, and it works great. Additionally, I have made a Dell Latitude into a hackintosh, running Sonoma 14.3 with a 1 TB SSD and 32 GB of RAM. It runs incredibly fast. I have no desire to pay for Apple's M1 or higher, can't be upgraded, Macintrashes until I am forced to, and my machines become unusable.
The Dell sounds like a really interesting machine. What’s the model name at base?
The 2016 sounds good but I would worry about thermal performance. Docked I’m sure it’s no big issue, though.
Thanks for watching!
if you tried an m2 pro or similar it would blow you away with how much faster it is than what you are using.
@@montaguebarnabasltd It's a Dell Latitude 5480
@@jameszaccardo1520 I have a M3 Macbook pro, at work, and yes, it is amazing. However, not ready to pay the apple tax, for a new one, when I can still use my ones that are paid for.
@@paulwaldrop the m3 was the rip off one. i mean, they are all rip offs. but with the m3 they really decided to take it up a notch.
I work in IT, and I have a 2019 MBP with Windows and macOS.I tend to favor macOS, but I do have Windows for support or running various other tools if needed.
You should do intel book too, why both in one ?
@@lucasrem Much easier to have one laptop in my bag than 2. When Mac OS stops supporting the i9 chip, then I will have to change.
Payed $20 for a mid 2012 MacBook pro, non rentna. Best $20 I've ever spent.
I wanted to buy the macbook pro 2019 16 for my engineering degree and run windows on it thinking the battery life will outperform any windows out there in its price range, or am i wrong on this? The budget is 700 euros
I wish someone would come up with a graphics fix (other than bypassing the dedicated) for the late 2011 macbook pros
Don’t we all. Still hope to get one and disable the graphics one day lol
air 2017 non touch bar a1708 model can also be upgraded but only ssd
I just bought a 2017 iMac Pro the base option which has 1TB/32gb Ram/8 core cpu/Radeon Pro Vega 8GB etc for $1,600 refurbished from Best Buy. Flawless panel, basically zero damage at all to the body, runs the latest Mac OS with ease, and came with 24 month warranty with my total tech membership.
I always wanted one and I couldn’t be more satisfied for what I’ll be using it for. I have a couple apple silicon Macs as well as a 2020 27 i7 iMac and this 2017 iMac Pro handles everything even on the latest Mac OS Sonoma effortlessly
Honestly do wish I could try one of those. They might not get many more OS updates, but they’re pretty damn powerful to this day. Good buy!
@@montaguebarnabasltdthanks! I was very interested to see how it handled Sonoma and I’ve been so impressed with it! It’s snappy and quick at doing everything which I wasn’t totally expecting to be honest
Over spent I got the same computer with 64 gbs for 800
theres a 27 inch 5k m1 imac out there?
big fkn deal. bro we dont give a fk about saving a little bit of money. not everyone is looking for a deal. not everyone has a scarcity mentality when it comes to money like you do @@Imskyhighy
virtual machine support also seems to much better which is great for cybersecurity
My everyday work and gaming computer is an M1 Max Mac Studio, which I'm extremely happy with (and before that, an M1 Mac Mini), but I have a growing collection of Intel and PowerPC Macs, many of which see frequent use.
I use a mid-2012 13-inch MacBook Pro or an 11-inch 2013 MacBook Air as my work commute laptop, I use a 2013 trashcan Mac Pro for Mac games (mostly 32-bit games) and Photoshop, and I often use a Pismo PowerBook G3 or a Titanium PowerBook G4 to revisit games from my childhood.
My vintage Macs, and the Intel Macs especially, are still very useful and feel fast and capable for light-to-medium tasks and even gaming, and they've been very fulfilling upgrade projects.
My 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro, in particular, is a screamer: a 3.46 GHz six-core CPU; 48 GB of RAM; a 1 TB NVMe drive; an RX 580; a USB C/3 combo card; two Blu Ray drives.
A good collection of machines! Glad to see lots of them still see use, especially on the oft forgot PowerBooks... I’m especially fond of the 5,1, which half of my videos are about, to be fair.
@@montaguebarnabasltd
Thanks. :)
Funnily enough, I've only ever bought a brand new computer twice in my life: the M1 Mini and the Mac Studio. Every other computer I've ever owned was/is second-hand.
I bought the M1 Mac Mini to replace my heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro, which was a great everyday work and gaming machine for several years until it died in early 2021.
There are a few Macs in my collection that I'm rather proud of.
I've upgraded my trashcan Mac Pro with 64 GB of RAM and a 2 TB NVMe drive.
I recently acquired a 17-inch PowerBook G4 and upgraded it with 1 GB of RAM (it can't see 2 GB for some reason, but 1 GB is plenty) and a 500 GB M.2 SSD. :D
I also acquired a 15-inch aluminium PowerBook G4 and upgraded it with 2 GB of RAM and a 250 GB mSATA SSD.
I installed a 500 GB M.2 SSD in a G4 Mac Mini, and installed a modified fully-bootable version of Mac OS 9.
I semi-retired my G4 Cube after the FireWire ports died, but it's still an impressive machine with dual SSDs (an 128 GB mSATA and a CF card), 1.5 GB of RAM, a cooling fan and a GeForce 2 MX card.
I think I'm most proud of my Pismo PowerBook G3, which has a 128 GB Compact Flash card for a hard-drive, 1 GB of RAM, a USB 2.0 card, new thermal paste and a slot-loading optical drive.
@@QUANTUMJOKER the 17” PowerBook with an NVMe drive is ridiculous. Great stuff though.
I’d be proud of the Pismo too. They might not be powerful with their main components, but flash storage speeds their OSes up considerably.
Bravo.
I use my 2011 MacBook Pro because it’s actually modifiable and I only use it for college coursework, which consists of using Canvas, making and using Google docs, sheets, using visual studio code, anki, and mainly using Firefox as the web browser with various web browser sites like ChatGPT and UA-cam, I also use windows natively but love how the MacBook connects to my Apple products
How do you overcome the “wi-fi not working “ problem a lot of user have after installing Opencore software?
@@wilty5 I changed the Wi-Fi card in my 5,1 Mac Pro. Otherwise I’ve never had that problem, though.
Thanks, I’ve seen the complaint many times on other YT channels where people are attempting this
I still use a PowerBook from early 2011- the LAST 17" screen model. It was my dad's old work laptop (he personally bought it)... and I moved it to Fedora 39 a while back, it's amazing for it's age.
I need to get a 2.5" solid state drive to really get more out of it, but for it's age and size... it's really nice... And with Linux it even gets modern updates and security. Not a bad machine honestly.
BEST OF ALL... people using older machines that are capable for the common tasks online and such... it prevents E-waste and throwing are GOOD hardware.
Hell yeah!! Really glad you’re finding a use for it. Loved the 17” a lot.
Agree with your last point, too.
I run my 2015 Macbook Pro tri-boot. Win11, Ubuntu 22 and that other OS. All apple has is the NeXT unified smart copy+paste buffer everything else is passé.
Very informative. Well presented.
Interesting topic. Just 2 additional tips - with an OpenCore OCLP installer, 2012-17 macs can run the most recent OS Sonoma almost perfectly. Also for eGPU a great use case is for local AI training with a Nvidia GPU (from 3060 and up) - under Win/Linux, if you don’t want to build a brand new box. Many Windows laptop/mini/sff models lack Thunderbolt, and therefore does not eGPU. Mac Mini 2018 is the most cost effective model to run this. And AI on m1/2/3 is still under early development.
Thanks for watching!
Yeah OCLP is something I take as read on this channel in some ways. I probably should have highlighted it more in the video.
I’m honestly not very interested in eGPU setups, but that sounds quite cutting edge. Interested to see how it develops…
>8 gb ram, swap kill ssd
>ssd and ram soldered to board
>OVERPRICE
Apple Silicon doesn't run x86 Virtual Machines. I've tried setting up a solidworks VM in parallels desktop, but it just doesn't work. UMT is sort of working, but getting the Emulated VM to share a folder with the host system... still hasn't worked out for me. I bought a new 18 inch laptop so that i could have a decent mobile CAD workstation...
Cor I’d love an 18” screen. Glad you found something that worked
i got a second hand Alienware 18 R5. it's a beast of a tank but it's really supposed to be my desktop replacement...and for when i need to be slightly mobile, i can fold it up and go @@montaguebarnabasltd
I recently had a phone call with a co-worker about a software problem. He was on the latest Intel Mac generation, I was on a Macbook M2 Pro. We both fired up XCode at the same time to look into the source code. On my machine, XCode was up in a few seconds on the project. On the other end of the call it took minutes.....
The big problem with the last few Intel MacBook pros that Apple made is the fact that they were too thin and the CPU could not be cooled properly. This culminated in one model year being slower than the one that proceeded it because the CPU would thermal throttle and as a result perform slower than the last generation MacBook. The fact is that the Intel MacBook became far too thin and they could not dissipate heat effectively, compounded with the fact that the design never could dissipate heat all that well in the first place.
My favorite thing about my M2 MacBook Pro is the fact that I can use it on my lap without cooking my legs, like I had done for so many years…
I have a maxed out 2012 MBP and a pretty high end 2019 MBP. The only downside of running Windows on them (native or VM) is that it runs hotter, so MacFansControl app is important.
Especially on the 2019, I bet. Nice machines though!
dont have mac but damn that chip is fast if the gpu cores can mach 4060 ti and still have cpu cores to do other things. Is that machine noisy when do anything heavy?
Remarkably quiet.
They’re notably a lot bigger than Intel processors, but still can pack a hell of a punch. If only they were more able to support native windows workloads and games I suppose.
Well, I have upgraded several old basic macbooks (maxing the memory and installing a SSD) along with a few 2012 15" Macbook Pros. From what I see with a more typical Apple Mac user, they basically use it for Internet, and the occasional office application. So, an upgraded Pro does quite well for them. I just bought one for $100 to have as a swap out for future upgrades (Some in my family are Apple fans, don't know why, but they are.) for family members.
So happy to find your channel. 2017 mbp owner here. I'm so bitter about being stuck in this ecosystem. For audio, windows can be really shaky.
Thanks for watching!
Yeah I’m in a similar situation for video and photo work. It’s just a bit more seamless on macOS.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Tbh Mac OS may be seamless and whatever but one thing that is a fact is that Windows or Linux PC's are simply so much better in terms of user friendliness, they can be repaired and upgraded very easily. Windows may not be perfect but most of the issue it has can easily be fixed
@@Warp2090 generally it’s a matter of use case. Like this guy said, audio production is a better experience on macOS. Other stuff, Windows can surely beat it on!
I picked up a late 2012 MBP (Catalina) for $130 CDN for the single purpose of running REW and miniDSP Device Console to fine tune DSP setting on 2x4HD on two separate multichannel audio systems. While the MIDI controller won’t properly map more than 7.1 surround ( i.e. Atmos, etc) , and a mini display port to HDMI adapter is required to connect to my surround receiver, it works like a charm. The budget priced Dayton calibrated microphone and stand cost more than the MBP, so for a total investment of less than $300, my use case is fully satisfied.
Honestly, for the use it’s gonna see, I think you’ve bought the right machine. Glad you’re finding a purpose for it, and good luck with the project.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Other than a small documented bug in one of the apps that occasionally requires a forced quit and restart, it’s worked like a charm. I’d previously done this job in main audio system with a Mini of approximately the same age - also running Catalina - but the portability of the MBP for this function is a huge benefit. Only remaining question is whether I’d be well served long run in upgrading to Sonoma via the Open Core Patcher app on which I’ve seen several very detailed YT videos?
@@fonkenful I found myself going back to Catalina simply because it was slightly cooler running and smoother than Sonoma on the 2012. If you need a certain feature or support, update using OCLP. If not, don’t.
@@montaguebarnabasltd exactly the answer I needed - thanks
Loving my 2012 MBP in 2024. High Sierra,16G RAM, fast SSD, runs all I need and more. Full multimedia & digital art studio w basic 1080p video editing no prob. Workhorse. If you take care of your tools they'll take care of you.
I have a 2009 cMP that’s been upgraded as much as it reasonably can be (dual 3.33 6 core xeons, 1080 GTX, 32GB RAM, NVME storage) but my M2 MBP runs circles around it, and works flawlessly with my studio display, and can be taken on the road, etc. If it wasn’t for the fact that I occasionally need a windows machine, I’d have no use for it (though I will NEVER get rid of it)
It’s a brilliant machine that has remained useful way longer than it has any right to but it’s now 15 years old and that’s practically prehistoric in computer years.
I wish there was a way to get a modern Intel motherboard in there along with modern GPUs (you can run modern GPUs in the old cMP but you’re going to experience massive CPU bottlenecks, negating any kind of performance advantage), RAM, Thunderbolt, etc. The cMP still remains the one of the best cases ever - it still looks fantastic and fresh today. If only we could get modern hardware and macOS running on it.
That said, anyone know how to make a cMP form factor logic board based on 2024 architecture? :-D
ofc its gonna run miles around it
Using MacBook Pro 13" 2015 and 12" 2017 on a daily basis for light work like typing, email, Arduino programming, and so on (2024).
I’m a pretty big Intel Mac guy but one of the things Apple has done that’s kinda ended Intel Macs is not adding AMD 7000 support. Kinda makes my 2019 not worth it
That’s certainly something I should’ve gone over properly in the video. Very disappointing to see how the 2019 was snubbed.
PS. I’m a big, big fan of your content. Have probably read every word in your 5,1 guide. Means a lot to have you watch my video!
And the 17" has very good screen realestate and good quality of image for when it was built.
I intend to make a video on that asap. Miss the 17” size still
I just bought a 2019 intel mac with 32 gb ram for $200 USD. It works amazingly well and if I wanted to, I can dual boot it with linux, even install linux or Windows on an external SSD. It runs very fast, as long as I use Catalina on it. I don't use it for gaming, but for what I use it for, it boots up fast and works very well. Why would I spend $4k for a new macbook pro?
Have a 2018 Mini that you'd have to pry out of my cold, dead hands. (On it right now, as a matter of fact.) It runs a couple of monitors, is fine at web browsing and does the Affinity Suite with no problem. But its real advantage is I can still run 32-bit apps if I boot it into Mojave (which I have on an external drive). Have a few apps I still use that'll never be recompiled to 64-bit.
My old Macbook 2012 was great at running Linux,I was sorry when it finally gave up the ghost as it gave great service as a Linux machine.
The switch to Apple Silicon was the motivation for me to switch back to Windows. They made me choose between the operating system I loved for 11 years, and my 33 years of PC gaming. I intend to keep gaming till the day I die, so Apple basically said said they don't want my money. I guess Tim Cook is a game-o-phobe.
Yeah. windows might not be perfect, but apple is at its worst right now. Its best to stick with Linux or Windows.
@@Warp2090 Why is Apple at its worst now?
@@tebhernandez it's obvious
@@Warp2090 can you explain
@@tebhernandez anti repair and upgrade, plus they dont last more than 5 years most of the time
I got a refurbished late 2014 MBP 16/512GB and I have side loaded the newest MacBook OS(Sonoma).
It looks amazing and has works perfectly.
As much as I like the newest MBP in midnight, I can’t justify the ridiculous prices they cost. And the hardware is nowhere near as durable these days as it used to be in the mid 2010’s.
Glad youre finding use from the old machine! Yeah there’s no need to upgrade for that kind of money, if you don’t need it.
I still have a 2012 MacBook pro retina i7 and I think it time to upgrade, I've changed the thermal paste and cleaned its fans but it won't stop heating up, I guess its now time to change it!!
I had the same problem. If you’re trying to get serious work done on it, might be the case.
I had that happen… turn out the fan had failed because of dust.
@@Scarlett.R I checked fan run fine
I have an iMac Pro with a Vega 56, plus, 3 eGPU: a 6800 and two 6900. I use it for Redshift and its quite, quite fast. Electricity bill is a thing, but still, not a complain. And also, if you can get a MacBook Pro with a 5600 GPU plus an extra eGPU with the 6900 AMD card, you still have a great machine nowadays.
That’s a great great mac. One of my all time faves. Pity about the power draw, but honestly for a desktop the Intel Macs can all make some really solid machines with the right setup.
i have a 2012 mac book pro 13inch i upgraded it to the max and used open core legacy patcher to get mac os snoma runing on it oh and windows is also installed.
Curious...How are you booting windows with Sonoma on your machine? Isn't Boot Camp removed, as an option?
no bootcamp is still there and it works fine.@@mw7967
@@mw7967 only for apple silicon macs afaik. Boot camp is still an option in macOS monterey.
@@mw7967 only for apple silicon macs afaik. Boot camp is still an option in macOS monterey.
No boot camp still works as Intel Mac’s still support snoma
But the SoC approach does come with latency advantages, nowadays thin and light windows laptops are also doing this
Hi, yesterday I just took one MBP 16inch with full spec I9 64GB 8TB and GPU 5600M 8GB It was a refurbished one. But even with only 94 cycles battery and 97% capacity, the machine has only 2h on battery watching movies or some UA-cam videos. Is this normal or just the battery need to be changed? I am considering returning the machine only for that reason. Any advice?
The battery is bad on those models, but not 2 hours bad. That’s definitely not normal, I would try and get it returned if I were you.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Thanks for your advice and fast response.
Actually if u go to windows and get drivers for the Mac 2019 it can beat really Any m series Mac’s or to expand life egpu as what you said
For a Musician with tones of Plugins and Virtual instruments not compatible with Silicone Macs it was just absolutely a downgrade for me to upgrade. Now what i did is I got the last Imac 2020 27 inch with 3.8ghz 8 core i7 and 8gb GPU with 16 GB of Ram but i upgraded to 64GB.I Bought the Imac and the ram on my local bestbuy for less than $1k this was new on clearance and this was to replace my 2013 Imac that was already struggling even after i did a few upgrades including morr ram an ssd. The 2020 Imac was the best decision for me I keept all my Plugins and VSTs. This thing is a monster so fast on logic pro where RAM is the most important thing. No regrets.
That last Intel iMac seems like a bit of a beast, yeah. I’ve heard musicians get a lot better performance out of Intel Macs, so will take that into account in my next videos…
I probably should have done that.
I do have an 2020 M1 MacBook Air base model, it’s crazy that it beats my i7-7700k workstation by like 1000 point on Cinebench! I mainly use my systems for cpu intensive tasks so graphics is different story. I don’t even play any games so i dont care about the graphics card too much on any of my machines. I bought the Air to replace my old MacBook Pro Late 2011 and the performance difference is huge! 😂 I do still use my old for sd cards and usb drives etc cause i dont have any dongles yet.
We re paid apple hundreds of dollars to make them better and thinner then they remove necessary ports so lots of people carries dongle mayhem in their bag (including myself). Such an idiotic circumstance…
@@berkinerengurman1401 Yeah you are absolutly right! I still love their stuff tho XD But i really hope that they bring atleast few ports back, atleast the sd and usb a. I am not sure about the pro etc models but i am not fan of that usb c charging at all, i liked the magsafe alot.
You can bench mark all you want. In real use case scenarios with video editing and audio production, my 2018 i9 Macbook Pro outpreforms my M2 Mac Studio hands down in every way.
To be completely honest I don’t believe you lol
@@montaguebarnabasltd how? its a literal i9. Those things are BEASTS
@@Warp2090 They were beasts in some regards. I used a 2019 16” and a 2020 M1, and my M1 is astonishingly better.
@@Warp2090 ryzen 9 better
@@Warp2090 plus arm chips are less hot, and heat matters
I bought the last Intel Mac (2019 16” MBP) and I plan to keep it as long as humanly possible
Besta luck to you
@@montaguebarnabasltd thanks :)
My 2009 white macbook still works to this day, runs a lightweight linux distro
Among my favourite models. Nice work!
I miss those!! Which distribution?
Also when I saw this i forgot to ask, if regular Macbook Pro without M1 or later Apple silicon chips are still good enough for students for atleast one day work (from 7 am to 15 pm for the longest day) if it is able to survive most of the day without charging. I am trying to find honest answer but from what I've heard it can last for like 4-5 hours if the battery isnt in the worst state imaginable so I know if I can save some buck on like 2020 macbook pro or invest in m1 macbook air/pro
I think you’ll need to charge your laptop unless you’re super super careful with low brightness etc. M1 macs should be fine for that amount of time, though.
@@montaguebarnabasltd So its like for 2-3 hours of word/powerpoint work?
@@internet_is_boring it really depends on the mac. The 13 inch Intels have the best battery life from my experience. A good one should get more than 2-3 hours. Probably 6 hours at best these days.
I have a 2019 intel equipped mbp and a 2022 (I think) m1 mba.
I mostly work in macOS, so I don’t worry about other OSs. I love the MBA. It’s light, battery is amazing and it just feels faster in all of my day-to-day uses.
But the thing that my intel powered laptop can do far better than the newer Apple silicon powered laptop is drive external monitors.
Apple really dropped the ball with that imo.
The intel MacBook Pro feels like a desktop replacement when paired with a thunderbolt dock and some external monitors. The Apple powered MacBook Air never feels like anything more than a very, very, good laptop which sometimes has an external monitor hooked up.
You’re absolutely right about the monitors. Apple could very easily engineer the ability to support more monitors better into their M chip MacBooks, but I think they’d rather leave that for the desktops in order to push people to make another purchase.
Both of those are nice laptops, anyway.
I was surprised that there was no mention of 2014-2020 iMacs, particularly the 2014 and 2015 models. 2014s can be had for under $200 and 2015s for under $300. I bought my 2015 iMac 27 five months ago. It has an i5, came with 32 GB of RAM and a 1 TB hard drive. I added an external SSD from my parts box and it's perfectly fine for running my office programs. So $200 for a 5k monitor, great speakers, webcam, and microphones, Apple keyboard and mouse. I was looking to buy a Dell Ultrasharp 4k 27 inch but those are around $500-$600.
I don’t have space to buy iMacs unfortunately. Have never had one so they get an unfair amount of mentions compared to other computers on this channel I think, yeah.
Might do a video in the future talking about some of those deals. The 2015 does sound like a good buy!
iMacs seem to be overlooked by Apple fans, but I've always loved them despite being a lifelong Unix/Windows user. I own a 2012 iMac and the screen is still breathtaking. iMacs are an amazing package. Small form factor with great screen.
@@VincentW2 really, I’ve overlooked em. When I’ve the space and money I hope to pick up an i9 27”
@@montaguebarnabasltdI actually got a 2019 imac for 350 with 32gbs of ram I placed a bid and won and it has radeon to in the 21.5 inch size.
@@stpworld very decent. Mad luck!
Lol that dosdude1 pic was of my World's Fastest 2009 Mac Mini 😂 Great video bud!
Woahhh it must’ve come up when I searched for his stuff, my mistake. I’ll put a card up linking your video later today.
Thanks for watching!
@@montaguebarnabasltd that was his video but he built it for me. It’s been in multiple videos of mine and also in a Computer Clan video.
@@HrutkayMods ohhhh I see what you mean. Well, a very interesting computer, nonetheless.
Wait… the mid-2012 mbp can be display swapped??
Yessir. Watch my complete guide to 2012 upgrades video…
yep. A 20 minute job ;)
I love the Apple Logo led light. I really hope they will bring it back.
I doubt that’ll happen in this decade. We’ll see though!
Upgrade-ability, repaire-ability . Ability to run 32 bit software and 64 bit is why I run windows 11.
Watching this on my mid 2009 MacBook Pro running El Capitan with maxed out 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD that I recently installed after my third failed HDD. I've thought about buying something newer for a long long time now, but it's so discouraging to see that all of the upgrades for the new Macs these days have to be bought upfront for crazy prices and that there's no way to upgrade them later on. This video really affirmed my feelings towards the whole thing. Until my laptop literally quits booting up one day, or I actually need something more powerful, I just can't justify paying thousands for a machine that will be outdated in a few years, although it can be very tempting seeing how slim, lightweight, fast and pretty the new MacBooks are! Was considering maybe taking a middle ground and finding a newer used intel i7 or i9 iMac and maxing out the internals instead....
Happy to hear the video meant something to you
Yeah if it ain’t broke…
I think as long as it performs tasks you need it to you might as well hold off upgrading. If you’re wondering which newer Mac to get though, my next video covers how long each will last ;)
Thanks for this! I am a vintage Mac user, from 2008 and 2012I they are long past OS upgrades, but they are the most reliable of machines. Since I retired, they are just fun machines now. If I need a battery or a part or two, IFixit is just a call away.
Physically very reliable machines, indeed. Thanks for watching!
I just bought second handed Macbook Pro 2016 touchbar for my daily drive work and I happy how it still can run smoothly in 2024. Might change to silicon once this 2016 total obsolete
Sounds like a plan
I was happy with my 2012 MBP, but by 2018 I needed something more current that I could upgrade too. After a lot of internal debate, I went back to a Windows based PC and laptop. Doubled the ram on the laptop, and I put in two 2 TB m.2 nvme SSDs. It was easy peasy with no painful decisions that I had to live with because the specs could never change. Every once in awhile I think about an M2 Max or even an Ultra, but what I have now is cheaper and does what I need it to do. Apple makes appliances, and I need a computer. It's just one of those things.
Points highlighted are pretty much why I have invested heavily on MacBook Pros such as Boot Camp although I never go for the eGPU setup. I'm still keeping my following MacBook Pro 15 2019 (Personal) and MacBook Pro 16 2019 (Professional). Use case is VMware Fusion running Windows Server and RHEL/Ubuntu x86 based for test bed for system application. Enterprise applications are mostly running x86. The only fear now is that I have is Apple drop OS support entirely for Intel Macs entirely.
Longevity (mainly due to OS support) is what I’m covering in the next video. Should be interesting to see how it pans out for Intel MacBooks!
I upgraded my friend's early 2015 macbook air from macos monterey to vanilla windows 10. While in MacOS, the computer estimated 3 DAYS for a simple folder copy of an app. (App's size was 64 mb) Now in Win10 with drivers installed, it preserved its former glory when it was fast and well optimized on MacOS. I also did this to an Early 2014 MBA and it also performs very well. To be concise, Windows is a very well optimized OS for everything you can imagine. Just go with windows if you have problems with macos or perhaps linux, in my case I did.
I can honestly say it’s always been the other way around for me, with MacOS the optimised OS. I guess the takeaway from this is neither OS is perfect
I had an old mbp late 2011 fully maxed out. I’m a mobile software engineer, when I made the first upgrade to m1 iMac man did it feel really good. I then upgraded to M1 Max a year later (and I only lost about maybe $100-$200 when reselling the maxed out iMac) and wow I can’t even look back. The only thing that sucks is that wine doesn’t work on some old retro games, but I got a Win 11 VM that actually does work with those games. Just 1 quirk on the Star Wars rebellion space battles. Other than that I’ve been very pleased. Of course not everyone is like me though. I play the retro game consoles on my iOS/iPadOS/tvOS in their respective apps. Only windows retro games I play on my Mac
It’s a stark difference for sure. Glad that went well for you. Yeah VMs are the way forward I would say. For better or for worse…
I have an M1 MBP and an M1 MBA but all I want to use is my 16" Intel i9 MBP. I just love the damn thing.
I bought the last ever one in 2021 when they started getting phased out and it’s abysmal how hot it gets under strenuous loads. I tried selling mine with original packaging but everyone lowballed for far less than I paid with my college discount
Yeah it’s a real bummer, you got the short straw I’m afraid. Best of luck selling, if you do.
@@montaguebarnabasltd I'd say it holds up better than the crappy Walmart gaming laptop on an ever-decreasing clearance sale which I bought originally for about the price of what I was hoping to sell that MacBook several years ago. No wonder it was at that one completely crumbled in build quality after the years and eventually developed an unfixable issue with the keyboard spamming keys and working only intermittently even after being swapped, luckily the repair guy I gave that laptop to was able to issue a return with the eBay seller and so he didn't charge us at all to recuperate any lost amount. Meanwhile the MacBook does have a pretty solid build quality, while being equivalent in it's specs and so it ran Windows 10 & 11 even pretty well through Bootcamp as a point you made in the video amongst the other reasonings with virtual machine compatibility. To each their own I suppose, I put off on selling it just for now for the time being.
~4:05. This may not have a big impact on old intel machines, but the discussion was kinda getting into Apple silicon at this point. You said you "don't think there's a market for developing games on Macs right now."
Did you see the announcements from WWDC23? I'm sad you didn't include a discussion of the Game Porting Toolkit (GPTK). That is the actual solution. Andrew Tsai has some great videos illustrating the power of GPTK. It doesn't require a "huge incentive" for developers. I'm running DirectX titles directly on MacOS Sonoma on a M1 Pro (currently playing Kenshi atm). It's not perfect yet, but holy crap what a big leap for the Mac! Apple took the time to show it off at WWDC last year, and I think there's a reason why Apple included hardware-based ray tracing for the A17 Pro & M3-series chips. This empowers developers with the tools they need to get games running on Apple silicon.
Thanks for getting into detail on this.
I remembered there being a big announcement regarding gaming at one of the events while making the vid, but never came back to the GPTK. Should’ve covered it more, and no doubt will in a later video.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a full solution to the problem. There’s not a huge demand for games on MacOS, which doesn’t help people spread info about this sort of stuff, or take action. Obviously it’s not the same as having a full release, too.
Either way, big leap without a doubt, and should’ve talked about that more!
I was personally close to give up on my MacBook Pro 2010 which I’ve upgraded to the max possible mentioned in the video (matte / i7 / SSD / 8gb ram)
Overall Sonoma works okay for basic tasks and and I ended up buying a new battery.
In case Mac OS 15 is the last open core can patch, it will still extend his lifetime until technically 2027 for security updates.
If it manages to survive, I will likely end up putting some Linux. They are still power pc distro maintained around so I’m not worried to find one for intel i7 even in 3 years.
I guess it strongly depends of the usage everyone wants to make. In my case I’m already happy to have a 14 years MacBook still beating apple obsolescence.
Yeah 14 years on a 2010 is unreal. Nice work!
Best of luck keeping it up to date. I’m sure you’ll find at least 3 more years very doable.
Disable the iOS widget and the new screen saver you won’t feel any lag under normal use for 2010-12 models. And, disable/minimize iCloud sync services - drive, music, photos calendar etc also helps.
@@montaguebarnabasltdActually a 2007 24” iMac is still quite usable with macOS 10.11, even without patching to 10.13 via CPU upgrade.
Rhino for mac v8 only just released to work on apple silicon and it's a crash fest so I'm still on Intel.
I still use a 2013 Intel MBA. I’ve upgraded the RAM, replaced the battery and keyboard, and replaced the original SSD with a fast nve drive. With OpenCore it runs Monterey perfectly.
The ARM MBA is very nice but with no fan it thermal throttles under sustained load, which I need (compiling). This is not an issue on the Intel as I can control the fan.
And it’s difficult to justify buying a machine that will become e-waste WHEN its proprietary non-replaceable SSD dies. This is especially true of used machines with just 8GB of RAM.
A LOT of these Silicon macs will start dying in the next five years and there will be no way to fix them.
Yeah the ARMs are not exclusively a step forward. There’s a lot I’d prefer to use my Intel machines for, were it not for their less efficient CPU hardware.
1 word for me: BOOTCAMP. but I still prefer MSeries for macOS but Windows on ARM is absolutely dog garbage
Gotta agree with you there
6:14 also they have excellent keyboard and they are not that sensitive to thermal throttling
Too right mate
2018 Mac Mini i5, 32GB of RAM, TB3 eGPU RX 570 XT. I think it performs better than an M1 Mac Mini. I also made the eGPU work on my 2012 Mac Mini quad i7 with good results, despite the Thunderbolt 1 bus. Some problems on a rMBP 2012 with dGPU, so if you're planning to use an eGPU, prefer Intel Macs without a dGPU.
I have a 2012 Macbook Pro and 2012 cMP tower. The fastest unibody you can get on the old style, upgrade friendly chassis is Ivy Bridge based. The 2012 cMP can take up to dual x5960s and 128 GB RAM. If you run it in the 96 GB configuration (memory controller quirk) and leave the sockets near each CPU empty, the system can use all three memory channels fully and you will gain something like 20% performance. Throw in a NVME drive on a PCIe card and it is still a very quick / usable machine once you get rid of the bottlenecks
Can't stand the thought of a fully locked down system. I've had very little hardware fail, but it irks me to not be able to replace wear items (SSD / battery) easily. It's very much a tactic to destroy the used Mac market
Yep, I’ve got several videos on both of those machines on my channel lol.
True about the used market. It’s tanked in the last three years or so.
Does MacOS support the modern AMD 7000 GPU series or is the MacPro 2019 stuck in the "old" 6000 series of those days? I thought, Apple widely abandoned driver service. for the Intel version rendering to MacPro 2019 machine to vintage pretty quickly. And Windows 11 I can run on any modern PC.
No 7000 support yet… bit of a bummer since the 2019 Mac Pro is absolutely capable of holding them. They certainly have abandoned them!
no but you could use a 4090 and run bootcamp
@@possiblyinsane6995 40 series GPUs won’t boot in the machine.
@@possiblyinsane6995 Yes.... like I wrote, Windows 11 can run on any modern PC. I would at some point do what you just suggested, but it is so sad how Apple does not care about costumers and their experiences after sales..
I had two mac 5,1 machines die and finally gave up and got a mac studio. The 2019 mac pro and maybe an afterburner is almost making sense these days. Almost.
Use what you want to use, about security update etc.. etc.. just make sure if your device not longer supporting by apple so its time to change the main functionality of your old mac especially dnt use it for paying something and keeping your sensitive data. Just go for fun with your old device or maybe for little bit light use. People arround me always have a reason to use something old including old mac as long as it still working flawlessly.
Still have my original Macbook 2008 where I upgraded the memory to 8GB and 1TB SSD. It have multiple versions of Windows using Parallel and it is an amazing machine. I would only get an M? Macbook if I get a crazy deal from it probably after the M4 comes out.
I loved those. The ones with the little door to access the battery and HD!
Used MBP 15" 2019 with I7 with 16 RAM or used Air M1 with 8 RAM for 550$? I chose the MBP 15", because it's really more comfortable to work with big display. Also the sound is much better on 15". If you do heavy tasks, the M1 has throttling, so performance becomes almost the same as I7.
So if you're in low budget, it may be reasonable to buy intel MBP 15' instead of Air M1 for the same price.
I have a 2016 rocking Sierra solely for the 32bit programs and iDVD
I use an older intel mac because it lets me do everything I need under macOS, windows and linux. Loosing the ability to dual boot windows and linux on the M1 is just too much to give up for my use case.
I have a 2017 MacBook Pro. Apple replaced the keyboard, battery and top case a year ago. The machine is a dream to use. This MacBook is only used for productivity purposes and it fulfills that role perfectly. At some point down the road, I'll get a Silicon Mac but not right now.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I’m glad yours is useful, and sure it’ll last you a few more years!
You better gonne be careful with flexgate problem 😅
@@napst3r1 yeah
Did you have AppleCare with it?
I’m running Mac OS SONOMA on my 2013 MBP 15. Runs better now then it did on Sonoma then it original Mac OS mavericks. Oh and the case has never been opened.
As someone in the market for a MacBook, you have been brilliant. These videos have helped me decide. I was close to an Intel Mac, but think I’m going with a MacBook Air M1 now!
That makes me very happy to hear. Thanks for watching!
Programers (depending on what they do) might be limited to intel MacBooks. Because on the new architecture some of their work or program they use might not work or will be working differently.
talking about local prices, my 2015 macbook air was $150 and I could put a ridiculous 2TB SSD upgrade on it, an M1 macbook air is $800, $150 dollars was already a big enough expense, can't justify $800 when that's like 3 months of work
I have a 2014 MacBook pro all updated, but I need to change the battery out and now maybe a better screen lol
Unfortunately not possible to upgrade the 2014’s screen. Still a nice machine and worth doing the battery!
the software update issue isnt even an issue. opencore legacy patcher can patch macos sonoma on a 2006 macbook (no gpu support because of the gma graphics) even if apple drops support for x86 in macos the hackintosh community will find a way. if they managed to run macos on amd and some arm based machines before the apple silicon macs were even released they can do that too.
I think it will be an issue. Virtualisation may be the only way to sort that, and is never perfect.
@@montaguebarnabasltd people managed to get full amd apus support and full amd cpus power managment and performance im pretty sure that it will take a couple pf years to be perfect though
@@starlte4life Remember AMD and Intel x86 CPUs are a lot more similar than ARM to x86, though. We’ll see how it goes, anyway!
@@montaguebarnabasltd yeah, i hope it all goes well but as i said people already got full arm support in macos before macos added it
For price and support. There are lots of apps o widget that are not still supported. So why switch to Apple Silicon?
the graph comparing apples gpu to the 4060 ti and 4070 is a bit weird. they arent "lower end".
I know what you mean. In terms of top end hardware (which MacBook Pros are intended to be), the 4060ti is pretty low end, though. Might have been wrong about the 4070, admittedly.
im a college student and im planning to buy a macbook. i found a 2020 core i3 around 420 dollars and it's the best deal i got. i will just use it for school, like pure school. like researching, pdf, and youtube. i know there are other laptop within that range but, but choosing between them and macbooks, i prefer the macbooks cuz i already have an iphone and ipad. is it worth it?
MacBooks are brilliant and worth it most of the time. The 2020 i3 is significantly weaker than most MacBooks released though. I’d really try and push for a 2020 M1 if you can. Maybe save a little longer?
The difference is 2/3x better performance at least, and it’ll last you twice as long I promise.
I’m about to ditch my i9 I bought 4 years ago asap… software is losing compatibility.
I personally think the only Apple Silicon Macs that are worth buying are the laptops. The Mac Studio and M2 Mac Pro can hardly count as upgradeable as the SSDs in both are tied to the SoC, and I guess you can put in PCIe SSDs into the M2 Mac Pro but it's just not worth what Apple are asking for, and the iMac is just stupid, so really the only options that are worth getting are a MacBook Air or MacBook Pro with a dock of some kind to use as a desktop. You get the best of both worlds then, a desktop when you want it and a laptop when you need it, that's how I do it at the moment, current setup is a 14" MacBook Pro M1 Pro 10-core, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD connected to a Lenovo USB-C dock with two DisplayPort monitors and all the peripherals I used on my old desktop PC. It works pretty well, super fast, runs cool and I only ever hear the fan running when HandBrake is compressing video, it's dead silent otherwise.
Honestly, good take. I agree with most of that. I do worry the GPUs in the laptops are gonna age a lot quicker than the rest of the parts, since the industry moves on so quickly.
The only reason I would get intel macbook pro, would be the price and piece of mind. Being a photographer(no video editing) that travels, the potential of damaging the computer is actually real. $500 or less provides you with a decent machine in terms of RAM and storage to take care of your basic needs on the road with an amazing screen. If you buy the last ones of the breed you have another 5-6 years of updates for a very small monetary outlay.
Very fair. Your reasoning is sound!
Not having the latest macOS is a dealbreaker to me. I’m a software developer..
software developer with only one computer? come on bro step your game up. i as an accountant have 2 intel macs and 2 apple silicon macs. all have different use cases