Don't make the same mistake I did by buying a used Intel Mac.
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- I think Apple M1 is reaching that age where it's old enough to be cheap, but new enough to be powerful.
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Them: Buying Intel Macs is investing into an outdated platform.
Me: *buying two PPC G4 Macs*
Unless you need 1.5GB Ram 😂😂😂 - the Intel Mac Pro is the only Mac that can handle this... but I am not a fanboy.
Mac itself is a outdated platform.
@@Omari1125nah
Ima keep buying those Intel Macs outta spite
As a fan of the Intel machines I’ll still be buying plenty to review lol
Hahaha me too
@@montaguebarnabasltd”fan” no pun intended lol XD
@@montaguebarnabasltd I bought an early 2015 retina 13-inch macbook pro (MacBookPro12,1) and its a great macOS and Windows machine, though I do use Windows more often than macOS.
Collector’s items.
Just got a retina 15” 2015 with i7 2.8GHz upgrade for $180 USD. I am upgrading from a maxed out Unibody 15” 2012 with the GT 650M 1gb and high res display option, SSD 500gb and 16gb ram. The better display, speakers, webcam, portability, thermals, battery life and performance bump of the MBP retina are 100% worth it.
i have a 2013 13 pro a 11 unch 2014 air a mac mini 2012 and a imac 2010 21.5 inch and im not upgrading! i like my intel macs! intel macs have 1 huge upside to the m-series ones... native windows support via bootcamp!
2014/15 rMBP is a very solid machine as a daily driver, especially if you upgrade to NVMe storage and use OCLP to run macOS Monterey. Not sure about the 2015, but my 2014's speakers are trash though. Very tinny sounding. My previous 2011 model had much better speakers. Not a deal breaker for me, as everything else functions very well.
Wow I just upgraded from a 2012 to a 2015 as well. 15 inch. I paid $150 and it was eligible for a free battery replacement from Apple under their exploding battery program lol
They are still very usable indeed, really like way the Pro Retina 15” (2015) and Air 13” (2017) remain relevant today.
+ have always liked the look and feel of the two, last to come in the true silver OG macbook design.
Hope you’ll be able to put your Retina 15” to good use for a long time! :-)
i just bought an 2013 mb pro 15" for under 200€, it´s ridiculously spec´d (original 1gb ssd, 16gig ram, the fastest i7 and dedicated gpu). best thing is it´s absolutly mint looking and will only need a freesh battery (holds up 3 hours light use at the moment). But i totally agree to your reasoning and also have the base spec´d m1 air as a daily machine and its perfect, such an elegant and efficient machine. if you buy intel insist on absolutly bargains otherwise you will get burned..
You've definitely got the right idea.
I love my M2 Air, but I bought it used and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future specifically because Apple and many other companies have made repair impossible, same as I do with my iPhones. I love the products, but I dislike the company that makes them.
I’ve spotted a couple of videos popping up on YT where people have found out how to replace SSD’s/memory on M1 MacBook Air. There’s even a couple of articles dating back to 2020 saying that techs in China have been able to do it too. I guess at some point in the (near?) future we will start seeing this service being offered as tools and techniques are created to make the upgrades more ‘accessible’.
@@wiggleman12345 Yeah, I've also become aware of this. I have a 512gb model so I'm not too worried about needing more storage, but if the price is right for this type of storage replacement service, I'll certainly be in line for it in the future.
Apple will find a way to kill that.
@@wiggleman12345upgraders are in China with access to the chips and tech resources. Not a job you get done in Buffalo, NY or Vancouver
I rescued 8 Macbook Pros from 2009-2012 era before they went to the dump. More RAM, SSDs, Open Core Legacy Patcher and my church loves me for the donation. They may be slow but still useful for normal use. Why buy when you can rescue?
If they’re rescued, then of course use em! Sounds good
How do you find deals like this?
@@twofaced4923 Basically, I was lucky when a technology company was cleaning out it's back storage they asked if I wanted them. Oh yeah!
I understand his point of view; we are already at M3, but this applies much more to the American reality. As a Brazilian, for example, I bought a 2019 MacBook Pro, 32GB of RAM + i9 8 cores 16 threads, with 1TB SSD and a 5500m with 4GB VRAM, for a bargain at R$5000 (in comparison, this model was R$29000 when it was released), plus it only had 90 battery cycles-a real steal!
These machines are extremely powerful, and for my use case, better than the Apple Silicon M series, because they have the x86_64 architecture which handles Docker much faster (due to better virtualization support).
It’s not a mistake to buy an Intel series MacBook; the prices have plummeted, and both you and I need to take advantage of this. Unfortunately, Apple consumers tend to think that the latest release is the best and perhaps that the older ones are BAD by definition. This is not true.
Yes, it's true that the operating system support will soon end, but it's a machine that will last for many good years. Consider getting a highly configured 2019 MacBook Pro.
Also, understand that this "cheapness" might only apply to the United States, and in other parts of the world, the M1 is still extremely expensive.
In the end, the right choice is the one that is within your budget.
nem fudendo que te achei aqui
@@rswierczynski HAHAHAHAHAH muito bom!!!
@@rswierczynski Google sabe de tuuuudo... tive que responder e colocar outra perspectiva, a realidade entre países é totalmente diferente.
Planning to purchase this specific specs MacBook... How is it currently functioning? Do you recommend it?
@@false9593 it’s being great, it’s still pretty fast. Newer models are wayyy faster of course, less heat and better battery life. The speaker is sick, the keyboard is great just need some time to get adjusted to, the screen is awesome, the touchbar is very big, it is a very solid well built computer indeed.
I was using an Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb of ram running mainly linux, from benchmark sites the multithreaded performance of the i9 in it is 10% lower than the 3600 but there is virtually no difference in single thread performance. I can do all of my work no problem.
The ssd is very very fast, not as fast as modern nvme, but last time I’ve benchmarked it was something around 1-3 gb per second read write
Video is alright I just use for Minecraft, I didn’t use any high gpu usage app.
I did got a simple dongle to connect to an external monitor and have more IO and it works great.
For normal stuff like browsing the web and watching videos etc it will stay cool and silent, if you are doing heavy stuff like compiling code etc it will start its fans and get hot. So I recommend getting a stand for it when working on a table or using a pillow or something if working with it in your lap. The fan noise is not such a big deal.
Memory wise it’s kind of… strange.. I am giving safari a try but it sometimes gets toooo much memory it’s insane. But overall the system is pretty good, anytime I open activity monitor to check on ram usage it never has a high pressure.
But I did run into some problems. I am using dev containers inside vscode, spinning virtual machines, and sometimes there is tons of processing, and the battery drains even when plugged in. That happens only when there is a continuous high usage of cpu. (Note the battery has less than 100 cycles)
The battery life is also great, like yeah it isn’t comparable to newer models but still is a big battery for a power hungry cpu
I would recommend to first identify if economically it makes sense for you to acquire one of this models given you budget and environment, also correlating it to your use case.
If this model is a great opportunity, be aware of the battery health.
This model is great.
*also, it seems that my previous comment was wrong about docker, it seems to run smoothly on arm, but it’s advised for using arm images, so be aware for compatibility if deploying on x86 hardware, to use an x86 image on deploy.
I still need an intel Mac for Bootcamp compatibility, I am using a 2017 13inch MBP.
Any reliability problems with the keyboard? That’s what worries me the most 🥲
@@joshuepico75those keyboards were awful
@@joshuepico75 I havent had any issues with the keyboard. I also a 12 inch 2017 MacBook too with no issues.
@@makaveli559m The MacBook 12" had a new keyboard, but the problems seemed to have been solved in the last model in 2017. It works fine for me too, just not very powerful.
Yea I’m looking to buy a 2017 27” iMac - the fact that you can get these sub $500 is incredible - the display and design are still impeccable. I recently got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and I love it a lot - people rave about Apple Silicon (as they rightly should) but for 90% of people, Intel was totally fine.
I bought late 2015 27” 5K month ago and it’s amazing. I have Mac Mini M1 for work and bought this iMac because of its amazing screen and I use it for internet browsing, discord, media consuming. You can’t buy a 5K monitor for this price and you get a whole computer!! IMO they are great value for money, because of that screen and with OCLP you can install Sonoma on them without problem. They are plenty powerful for everyday task, because of 4core CPUs.
I’ve owned a lot of computers over the last 30 years. I’ve built them and bought them new and used. My favorite machine so far is the M1 24” iMac. I thought the 24” display would be a downgrade from my previous 27” setup but I really don’t even notice the smaller size after adjusting the display settings a little bit. I do hope they offer a “Pro” iMac in the future with more Ram options and more GPU cores, but he 16 GB M1 is doing the job pretty well for now.
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My M2 Pro 16GB is my home go to device, but my 2017 i5 Pro 16GB with Sanoma via opencore patcher is my cafe queen as it saves me being stabbed, robbed etc whilst in public.
Ima start doing that
No one is going to stab you in a cafe to steal your laptop. I don't even think stealing something of such low value in a public place, full of people and full of cameras. Thinking logically, he wouldn't even be able to run out of the place with something that size. You need to be less hysterical. Poor people shouldn't have this kind of worry, since the criminal steals something to make a profit.
Some folks are just hooked on speed (cars/computers/chemicals) for the sake of speed. The vast majority of users will never use it nor need it. Focusing on 'speed' is nothing more than clickbait. Personally am using a 2012 Mac Pro 5,1, which have had from new, with a metal GPU, 64GB ram and a USB 3.0/3.1 card. With OCLP have Sonoma installed. Do a lot of graphic work, adjusting scanned photos and making large prints up to 44" wide via Gimp. This machine has plenty of power - and frankly - would be sufficient for the vast majority of users. And I can fix it myself, if needed. And the internal storage available is, basically, limited by only one's budget.
GIMP? Oh, you are brave!
I got an intel MacBook pro from my company, it sounds like a plane taking off whenever I open more than a few programs.
lol what a terrible Clickbait thumbnail. Everything is depending on the person’s point of view and needs. I just purchased three 2015 MacBook pros. They are still the best MacBooks ever made, you don’t need an M series silicon chip.
“You don’t need an M series silicon chip” is a statement that applied to most people from 2020-2023. From this year onwards, M1 Macs are selling for easily under £400 right now. £350 is a small price to pay for something that conceivably will last 5-10 years.
Why would anyone buy something last gen which won’t receive any OS updates, and performs about 35% as well as a computer that costs £100 more…?
Do you seriously see no problems arising from using a 2015 MacBook Pro 5 years from now?
I’m as big a fan of the Intel Macs as they come. It’s important not to let nostalgia fog our eyesight, though. Apple silicon is miles out ahead, and the gap will only increase.
For someone with text most would struggle to read in half of their thumbnails, you hold a lot of confidence in your ability to critique mine :)
@@montaguebarnabasltd lol normally I don’t bother to reply.. But since you wanted to poke fun at my thumbnails after you put clickbait..I’ll teach you a lesson. One that you should already have learned at your age.
First of all you should know everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that’s yours and this is mine. It obvious you don’t have much knowledge on how thumbnails work and why you should make it one way or another. That was a lowball attempt to insult me, by the way. Lol
Listen up. No, you don’t need a silicon Mac. You should stop spreading this false information and only label it as your opinion. You didn’t need an M series chip several years ago, and you don’t need one now. Sure it’s better in some ways, but you probably should only buy it if you’re a dedicated professional using those programs that require the latest OS updates to fully and efficiently use the cores.
But guess what? Those are very very few. And you’re talking to the audience like if they need it, like if their work demands the silicon chip. It doesn’t for 90% of people. The 2012 and even 2011 MacBook pro’s are more than enough for most people still today in 2024. Given that the specs are fully upgraded which cost less that $80 to do. 16Gb ram and 1tb SSD is still very fast. You’re just spoiled and i don’t care if you don’t admit it. Yes the 2015’s will be fine 5 years, even 15 years from now. They’ll still be powering though and efficiently. They’ll still be useful in day to day tasks at the very least, and still able to run (older) versions of the latest and greatest software. Which is still fine. It can still be done and it will work efficiently. Just not nearly as good as the silicon.
You have been brainwashed by apple to believe you need a computer with “supported” software, which is their way of scaring you into buying the latest macs. You don’t need it. Not unless you actually use a program or app for work that really taxes the system and yeah, then you’ll benefit from a new processor that is 40% more efficient. Most apps that you use on a day to day basis still work and will continue to work on those OS versions in future years. I can attest to that because I use them everyday.
There’s a reason why I use the products that I use. Because they’re the best. I wouldn’t use them if they weren’t the best. If I thought the silicon chip mac’s were better, it have a few.
But that’s not the case. Not in my opinion.
I run two businesses with 5 MacBook pro’s 2015 model. Some 13” some 15”.
Two 2012 13” specked out models. Two 2017 12” MacBooks. And the rest are pro iPhones and pro iPads that we use.
The 2015 is still superior in terms of hardware quality, design, and most importantly port selections. You don’t need usb-c on your MacBook Pro. I can’t explain enough how much better it is to have the ports instead of the inferior designed and fragile dongles. The quad core and even the dual core are super fast doing daily tasks and they export 4k video in a reasonable about of time. I don’t need it to download in 8 minutes with the silicon chip, I can wait another 5 minutes and I’ll take all the other advantages the intel MacBook Pro has over the M chip.
The 2015’s are peak design IMO they’re considered the most beautiful by the community and the apple logo still glows. Trademark apple. The new silicon Air’s and pro’s look more like Lenovo laptops. They lost all the uniqueness. The boot time on the 2015 is waaaaaaay faster than the silicon chips.
Overall I’ll take the 2015 for all it’s advantages and take a loss on the better speakers and processor the silicon macs have. For $250 I can get a newish 2015 1Tb ssd and 16Gb ram.
The M chip usually has 8 gb ram and 256 Gb memory on most users models and cost $500 (cheapest on eBay right now in acceptable condition)
Seriously, you don’t need the M chip. The intel macs are going to work for dozens of years more. The 2012 is the last to have the disk drive integrated, which I use to run some old software so it’s useful for me. They are also the last model to allow SSD and RAM upgrade, with the disk drive being allowed to be taken out and replaced with a second SSD.
Those are perfect for someone on a budget that need a powerful laptop.
I used my 2011 MacBook Pro for 6 years before upgrading to the 2015 model. And before that it was already used by two different people for work and school. They are workhorses and it’s never frozen on me or failed me.
After 2016 they added the USB c ports and Touch Bar, which they realized they messed up and the 2015 still reigned king. Until the M1 Pro many consider that king now, but only if you need the extra power for work. There’s a reason they hold their value in the used market. People buy them and use them.
@@RadOpsTVI don't have time to write almost 1000 words, unfortunately. I'll reply to your points one by one, though.
I'm surprised you took my honest thumbnail criticism so personally. Did you think laughing and calling mine "terrible" would be ignored..? I take pride in what I make, and my long form videos are doing very well, not least because of their effective thumbnails. It's a great thing that we can both make money creating videos about things we enjoy, and it's safe to say both of us are doing well in that regard - if you have criticism at least make it constructive, and try to come across less condescending ("listen up" and "I'll teach you a lesson" spring to mind!).
Also, you're absolutely right. The video, and most of my others, are all opinion-based. So are almost all tech videos, though. That's obvious without me labelling my content as such. You've written a lot defending the 2015 and older Macs. I implore you to put your opinions on the matter into a video (or two ;) ).
I completely understand your love for the 2015 Pro. Does that make anyone who believes M1 Macs are better for the majority of people brainwashed? No. Of course not. Both are Apple products. Both were touted as the best in the world at release. The M1 Air is 4 years old at this point, yet I consider it up there with the latest and greatest computers.
Some of your points are a bit contradictory, by the way. You talk about not minding a few minutes extra rendering, but then celebrate a couple of extra seconds at boot as though it's all that matters...
Also, the 2015 Pro can render 4K, yes, if a little slowly. Working in real time with multiple timelines, though, you'll hear the fans at full blast, and there will be slowdowns before you've reached the point of rendering.
Like I said... not going to respond to every bit you wrote, because a lot of it just highlights a difference in opinion.
Still bought one, can’t beat the bang for buck .Also cpus don’t become obsolete very easily .
When I preordered the m1 Air, and it turned out to be the best laptop I’d ever used even with some goofy limitations like maximum 16 GB of ram, soldiered SSD and only one external display.
I remember getting some backlash from people since I basically said back in November 2020 that it time to move on after I realized it was more pleasant to edit on it than my Mac Pro 5,1 with 96 GB of ram, NVMe and Radeon VII and gave my Mac Pro 2019 a run for its money.
It's one of those things you have to experience to fully comprehend. Thanks for watching!
Depends on your budget and need. I, personally, am keeping a keen eye out for a 2012 15" i7 2.7ghz. Also about to buy a 2015 or 2017 MB Air with a 2TB SSD for a mobile Movie machine and email terminal for an elderly relative. Biggest reason I have not got to Apple Silicon...the ridiculous price for storage. 2TB is the bare minimum for my need. I do not want to lug around portable SSD drives. My daily work machine as an IT Manager and Graphics Pro is a 2013 MacPro 10-core. ZERO problems. Bosses M1 Max MBP only feel faster is boot time and dull tasks like copying. In Creative Cloud...not so much of a difference. One day, when the price is right, I will upgrade to an M1 Max MBP 16. Prices are getting there. Mine will have to have a 4TB or 8TB SSD. Same with a Studio. It would be awesome if Apple made their devices with a super fast 256 SSD that is OS/Apps only and then a slot for storage for files. Have you ever restored from TimeMachine a full 2TB Boot Drive. TAKES FOR EVER. Learned my lesson. Now I always partition. 1 for OS and Applications, another for files.
My 2019 16gb 1tb i9 MacBook will be with me until it it dies. And even then i still will probably throw windows on it. Yes, it does run hot and gaming can sometimes be an issue, but it is the most powerful computer Ive ever owned
i've never been a Mac user, but until i hit a brick wall in my music mashing with the i7 4770k PC, i needed an alternative to get around the issue of sound glitching that was due to inadequate CPU performance.
The m1 mac's came at the right time... i've since scored a m1macmini 16gb model... and oh boy, what a immense difference it made!!
im with you on these M1 Mac's well worth their salt!!
i still have my PC for legacy hardware use... cannot go wrong when you have the best of both worlds!
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If you don't need the performance then intel macs are great,I've got a few of them lying around the house that I picked up cheap and repaired and maxed out.For using Adobe and Affinity I have the base model 15" M3 Macbook Air which I picked up on Amazon with £200 off-no brainer really,very fast and will last a amateur like me for years.
I do collect Macs and sure got a bunch of Intel Macbooks, Mac Minis and iMacs but you are so very right. They all can't compete with the Apple Silicon. I also got an M1 Pro Macbook for serious work and it lasts me the whole day. Sometimes, for fun I bring an old Macbook. When I only need to display some PDF files at a meeting or other light work that is not mission critical. The thing is, old Macbooks still look very modern and sleek but the power is gone. Apples design and choice of materials really made them timeless. The 2015 Retina Macbooks were incredible at their time. There was no serious replacement until the i9 came but then all Intel got crushed by the M1. With Apple, there is always the right time to buy one. You bought the 2015, you were able to get 7 or 8 good years out of it. Same will happen when you got a MBP M1 Pro in 2021. If you bought an i9 in 2019, you only got 2 - 3 years and now you don't want to sell it for 600$. People still think they have a high value laptop but its not true. I've seen M1 Pros going for 1000$ used and they are so much better and they basically come with an XDR display on a Laptop. The prices for MB up till 2012 should be 100$ or better even lower (sure 100$ for a 2012 15" with good specs) and a high spec 2015 should be around 150$, not more. Lets be honest, even the best Retinas (2015) get 10 years old next year. I've yet to find a replacement Battery that is really good, like they were new from apple. Most batteries you buy are new but old. I think that will really kill the use as a laptop in the long run.
The fear for an SSD dying is not theoretical!
I have a 2015 MacBook Air that I did not use for 2 years. When I tried to turn it on again, it had trouble booting. The drive would randomly show up as a boot drive or disappear. Was it the controller? Nope. I replaced the SSD with a new one and voila - I could reinstall and the SDD is faster and bigger than the original! I use at on a daily basis for light tasks again.
Imagine this happens after 5-7 years with your MacBook Pro that you paid $3500 for.
Always wanted a trashcan mac.
Years ago I saw a video of a server farm completely made of trashcan macs, I wonder how that is going now?
Was awesome to see racks and racks of little hollow cylinders.
I do own a 2017 iMac with 5K screen, still looks gorgeous and works well.
I use an Intel Macbook Pro 2019 16" I9 with 64 gb ram/1 TB drive. It much better than the two work Intel computers I have used, a HP Elitebook from 2020 and a Dell Lattitude 2024. While the Elitebook was somewhat comparable, the Dell laptop is not better at anything and is ugly and boxy. I also have a Macbook Air M1, but I like the screen, trackpad and speakers of 2019 Macbook Pro better. Th 2019 MBP is still my favorite. It is also nice to use windows from time to time. I like that Macbook Air M1 is cool and have extremly long batterylife.
I agree in the main message, but if you can buy e.g. a 2019 16" with good specication to a very cheap price, it does not need to be a poor choice. But the 2016-2018 MBP should be avoided at all cost 🙂
@@rolf7135 Definitely agree, especially with your second comment
Intel Macs are still worth buying and have their place imo, especially with the price drops since the M-series Macs took over. Graphics are obviously where they fall short, but quad core i7's are still plenty capable for many daily tasks. If you're worried about thermals/battery life, there are apps to mitigate that like Macs FanControl, Turbo Boost Switcher, gfxCardStatus and CPUSetter. I run my rMBP with only 2 physical cores active with Hyper Threading most of the time and its fine for light stuff like web browsing, email, movies, productivity, etc. When I need more power for something like gaming, I just adjust my settings. And as a bonus, I can boot into Windows 10 whenever I need it.
I got a really good deal on a 2017 15.4 macbook pro and I have an m1 mac mini at home and sure the m1 is a little snappier and launches things faster but for my general use and saving over 300 dollars only to have a 13 inch m1 laptop... using an intel mbp has been great and I think I have 3 more years out of this machine no problem, I could even see upgrading to an 2019 i9 mbp when I need to upgrade
lets be honest, any apple product is not a good financial decision so let people buy whatever shitty "laptop" they want
Bought a 2019 MacBook pro 16 for $460 on eBay as a desktop replacement just a few month's, it is just awesome, I also have a MacBook Air M1, but I hate that I can't connect it to two monitors, I suspect the next Mac OS will support the 2019's, and then I still have another 2 years of security updates if they don't support it. I don't regret buying it one bit, when it does lose support, I'll just buy a Mac mini with an M2.
I can't think of a better desktop replacement Mac,, you can connect up to 4 monitors, works with no hiccups
I'm waiting for the 2019 16" MacBook Pro to become really cheap for a 1TB SSD model, I actually need intel so that it can natively run Windows as i use some softwares that are windows only. The M1 series is a distant dream for me as i'm gonna need at least 16GB/32GB RAM and 2TB/4TB SSD if it's going to be my main laptop, i think they still run into the thousands at the moment.
Keep in mind those precise models have faulty design which can blow up SSD at some point due to faulty controller.
I had the same argument and almost went ahead to buy one of the 'META' boxed warehouse ones from iPowerResale. My friend is even in the US right now, so I could have had it shipped to him and then got it here. But he himself advised me to just use virtualisation. I have a Parallels license and reports say that running Windows in macOS on a hypervisor is an optimal experience with Apple Silicon. It is no mystery that bootcamp drivers can be flakey and are not going to last. Apple is not going to provide Windows 11/12 BC drivers, as they are not supporting the platform anymore. In all honesty it would be a very niche investment, that could turn out a waste
@@darksol544small correction: it's not the controller, the 1.8V and 2.5V lines like to short out on that machine. The controller sits inside the T2 chip and is fine, the NANDs themselves do the "rm -rf /"
@@christopherthake8701this. Having a machine for another 18 months or so when W10 support runs out is just not worth it. I'd rather buy a new M1 machine and spend the rest on a used Windows machine, they fall in price A LOT after just a few months.
@@christopherthake8701 Everything can be a good or bad investment, it could even be a bad investment for me to spend $4,000 on an M1 Pro 16" with 32GB RAM & 4TB SSD, not to mention the financial burden that would put on me and have to worry that it never gets stolen due to it's extremely high value. The main reason the M series macbooks are always going to be extremely expensive for me is because i need a lot of storage and if i wanted an M1 to last for a few years without having to make file sacrifices then it would have to be 4TB because even 1TB is base model storage to me. I'm not using the Windows partition for gaming or extremely intensive work only a few windows only softwares which work perfectly fine on my 2009 17" MacBook.
Right to repair is NOT emotional it’s financial. I’m buying an Intel Mac because the price is great and ARM Macs are not able to run Windows VMs.
I run plenty of Windows 11 Enterprise VM's on my M2 Air. Parallels is fantastic.
3 years ago my frien give me to me a macbook pro intel 2019 and for my its the best gift i have on my life...i use as today and go well...and i bootcamp and use for VR flawless with vr desginds apps and steam vr....so if you can buy a intel i7/9 intel mac , do it..because you have the best of two worlds
You’re right of course but for the tinkerers among us that do not actually need it for serious work the vintage ones are more fun. Although I’d love to get my hands on an M machine to play with if I can find one for the right price but I guess I just have to wait a bit to find one under €100. 😊
Absolutely right
@@montaguebarnabasltd This is the nonsense sending great machines into landfill. My daily driver is a 2012 iMac running 32 GB of RAM and this is much more capacity than 99% of people need. A computer that is 15 years old runs Office and UA-cam, Final Cut Pro. At the time, Apple said: "This Mac is a supercomputer." Now, apparently, the same supercomputer is only useful for "light web browsing"??? People's needs have barely increased - that has shifted to mobile devices and our primary portable computer is a phone - not a laptop. A car from 2010 is still good today as it was then and there are precious few use cases outside of Apple filling the operating system with superfluous graphics-intensive user interface guff (video backgrounds!) that has changed. There has been no computational paradigm shift to this point and only the coming of on-device large language models necessitates jump. Anybody who switched before this year got ripped off because the new AI integrations - which is that shift - will require M4.
@@BlackPrimeMinisterregrettably don’t have time for a long reply. Would just like to say I’ve used FCP on 2012 Macs, and it was NOT a useable experience for anyone serious about video. Your opinion is valid, though.
Only thing that concerns me is security updates. I have a 2015 MBP that I’m hanging on to until it’s unsupported. It’s still very functional if not a bit draggy compared to my M2 Ultra. Not much good having a computer that’s not getting security updates if it’s going on the internet.
@@JimAllen-Persona you can run Sonoma with Open Core Legacy Patcher very good on a 2015 MBP and than you will get all security updates.
Intel Macs will be nice longterm Windows machines IMO. Id buy a new Mac mini and keep my 19 Air around for mobile use/software experimentation
I bought a 2015 15" MacBook Pro 2.8Ghz Quad Core expressly BECAUSE it will only run up to Monterey. I need a music notation program that is not longer being supported and need to have a system on which I can use it without fear that an OS update will nuke it.
Anyone buying a Mac older than 2012 is making a huge mistake simply because that was the last year that Apple made computers that were completely upgradable. I the retina‘s and so forth Kingsolver components that are quite difficult or almost impossible to upgrade. As much as you might like macOS in the Apple ecosystem, you should consider also the options of being able to maintain and repair your computer by replacing memories, Hard drives in other parts. With modern max, that is impossible. Worse yet, you will be throwing your money into the garbage.
Don't buy apple at all, just get a Dell and use whatever OS you want
Dude you’re getting a Dell 😂
@@markm0000 Dude, compared to the closed and pre obsoleted Macs, a Dell is a 1000 times superior. Unrepairable, unupgradable overpriced prisons might appeal to a certain kind of people, but the rest of us find that despicable.
@@domoncar6782 you’re too young. It’s a old commercial joke
Arm is not an option. No x86 instruction sets. No way to run windows business applications. No multi monitor support and no external GPU integration. Too many big practical issues that Apple is not addressing.
Lol, I'm watching this on my Mid 2012 MBP. loving it
6:38 To answer your question, the SSD. That is the problem apple silicon devices, the SSD is still a wear part and will fail, even worse the "bios" runs on the internal ssd so when the SSD dies, the laptop becomes a paper weight. Even if the controller dies first, that doesn't help either.
Edit: I think apple silicon devices are cool and I really like them, but pretending the SSD problem will affect you especially on base model devices with less ram and storage as you increase the writes to the disk.
I have a 2011 15" (radeon is yet to die) it's still stock except for an ssd swap, and if I were to continue dailying it I should swap the battery.
Somehow it's still a fine machine to use, and with macos+linux dualbooted I get enough software support for what I want to do on a laptop. Only issue is of course it's loud (I run a fairly tight fan curve and haven't done a repaste), but it still somehow runs fine. I'm tempted to swap a 2012 board into it, depends how expensive they are
I am using a 2019 intel macbook pro 16 . It works perfectly fine and no issues so far.
I am not a video editor and mostly my work is normal browsing and coding works . It works super smooth and the speakers are great listening to podcast and online lessons.
Even video editing in FCP it works well, the fan noise dosent bother me much .
I feel no need to upgrade to M1 macbooks now , because i have a ipad -> M1 ipad pro 12.9 .
Dont wanted to waste any money spending my devices as long as all works perfectly well .
I recommend you use an audio plugin called NS1 it will help you suppress the background noise and and make audio cuts less obvious
Thank you. For my next video I’ve started using a new noise suppression plugin.. if that doesn’t work I’ll definitely go with that one!
I use a Mac Mini M2 base config. Perfect machine that just works. I went through so many windows and linux setups... nothing was as reliable as the Mac
A lot of Intel's got Sequoia!!! We still in this bitch lol 😅
I got a m2 pro mbp, its 14inch. Its a pretty nice machine, though intelmacs have a good thing going on for them, you can boot to windows and with an egpu actually game on it comfortably. So maybe if i get a 3d printer and a bit more money, i buy myself one so i can upgrade the cooling and use it for gaming aswell.
intel iMac 4k or 5k cost is so low.
2017 or 2019
Use can add nvme ssd drives 1,2,4tb cheap and easy. plus another 4tb ssd. ram 16,32,64 for the 4k or up to 128gb for 5k.
Cpu you can upgrade base to i9 in 4k and 5k.
If you know what you are doing you can have a cheap fast, big ram, big storage 4 or 5k iMac
Or pay for m power with 8gb and 256gb
after losing my M1 MBP whilst traveling, i bought a 2017 Macbook 12” retina for $120 and i couldn’t be happier. Much nicer to travel with and does all the basic day to day tasks id need it to. Fantastic device for the money
i like intel mac’s, they run legacy apps like no tomorrow on high sierra
I’m enjoying my iMac Pro w/ 5K screen. Meets my needs presently and for the next few years. By then I can hand it off to my kids and upgrade an M6 or whatever Apple ARM has out.
Between iMac Pro and iMac 2019 core i9, which one should I buy? Thanks a lot.
@@buitho439 pro. Easy.
My main computer is an overkill M1 Max Mac Studio, but I have plenty of vintage Intel Macs that are still very capable. I use my heavily-upgraded 2010 and 2013 Mac Pros for Photoshop and 32-bit games, and I use a mid-2012 MacBook Pro (upgraded with two 500 GB SSDs and 16 GB of RAM) and a 2013 MacBook Air (upgraded with a 500 GB NVMe SSD) as work commute laptops. As a writer, editor and light on-the-go gamer, these and other Intel Macs are still fast and practical.
It's funny - many view the 2023 M2 Ultra Mac Pro as redundant, in that you can get almost identical performance in the much-cheaper M2 Ultra Mac Studio, but I think the 2023 Mac Pro makes the 2019 Intel Xeon Mac Pro look even worse. The 2023 Mac Pro goes all-in on Apple Silicon: it can run native ARM applications, Intel apps through Rosetta and iOS apps through the ARM architecture, and thus has vast app compatibility. The 2019 Mac Pro, however, can't run iOS apps due to the Intel architecture, and can't even run 32-bit apps due to Catalina and beyond dropping 32-bit support. To me, the 2019 Mac Pro is an objectively powerful and very upgradeable Mac that just can't run much in the grand scheme of things.
You make good points. It’s not fair to say that Intel or apple silicon are irrelevant. They both have their uses, and will continue to do so. I do feel like my Mac Pro is a little redundant now I’ve upgraded, though.
@@montaguebarnabasltd
I can play Deus Ex: Mankind Divided on my Mac Studio (on which it runs REALLY WELL), and Deus Ex: Human Revolution, the prior game, on my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro. ;)
I was disappointed when Eidos and Square Enix did nothing to update Human Revolution to 64-bit for its tenth birthday. Human Revolution is my third-favourite game of all time (between Life is Strange at #3 and Fallout: New Vegas at #1), but since it's 32-bit, you can't play it on 10.15 Catalina and up. :(
I'm also genuinely angry at Valve for not updating the Mac versions of the Half-Life and Portal games to 64-bit. They knew Catalina would drop 32-bit app support, and they've had over four damn years at this point. To me, this isn't a matter of profitability for Valve; this is a matter of respecting their players and allowing them to keep playing the games they paid for. Plenty of people view Valve as apathetic, no longer caring about game development now that they have a monopoly over PC game distribution, and Valve neglecting the Mac versions of their flagship games is another aspect of this carelessness.
@@QUANTUMJOKER to be honest, i think we should question why apple binned 32 bit support, too. Yes, it’s been far too long for valve to leave games unsupported on 64 bit, but I guess it goes both ways.
I like your taste in games!
@@montaguebarnabasltd
Thank you!
My other top ten games, in no particular order, are Hollow Knight, Hades, Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored, Myst, SimEarth and The Last of Us.
Catalina still has 32bit , you have to ramble the feature in terminal
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I recently bought a 20 inch 2008 MacBook Pro, 2.4 GHz., core 2 duo, 8 gig of ram., I installed a 240 gig ssd., and I then installed Linux Mint Mate and currently the laptop works very well.
The design of the laptop is good except that it only has two USB., ports and they are both on the same side and to apply new thermal paste to the processor the logic board has to be removed.
You can put Linux on Intel macs, as they are just Intel machines with particular hardware. So they aren't going be that good for running new MacOS but you can recycle them as Linux machines.
no bootcamp on the arm macs, im sticking to intel, better compatibility for music production anyway on FL Studio.
You use it in bootcamp? Not in MacOS?
@@Lukas-yw2mn dual boot
@@Lukas-yw2mn for context i have a 2019 Macbook Pro 16” Core i9 & 5300m 16GB 512 ssd
@@svntana700 well that’s a lot more powerful than mine! So I feel that, I probably wouldn’t upgrade then either.
@@Lukas-yw2mn what are you running?
I wonder, what if you intended to put Lubuntu on it or something? I was close to buying a 2012 Pro recently for the purpose, as well as the user upgradability/repairability of course.
Old Intel Macs definitely have their uses still. If you think you'd use it daily, and it's a good deal, you might as well buy
I had one of the plastic first intel MacBooks and once it reached the Snow Leopard ceiling I flipped it to Linux Mint for a while. I bought a new Lenovo a while later and sold the MB for parts.
you can probably get a 2019/2020 dell latitude for a similar price
Heck, even PowerPC macs@@montaguebarnabasltd
I've been a PC user since the beginning of my computer interaction, and I also always preferred AMD. I loved Apple products but they were out of reach price wise and for the performance you could get a lot more on PC. Also I could build up to that performance. Close to when Apple Silicon was released I started looking at the reality of my PC builds, usually by the time I would upgrade a GPU, I'd have to upgrade the CPU and the Motherboard to take advantage of the GPU upgrade given my low frequency of upgrades. So upgradability wasn't really a thing for me as it turned out - also I started to learn its better to get the tool that gets the thing done that I want to get done, than building the tool that gets the jobs done that I want to get done. Then M1. I needed a better monitor for my photography and video grading - a good color screen with hardware color profiles would cost me about two thirds of what a M1 Air basemodel would go for. Plus I wanted portability for tethered photoshoots. I've been on a base model M1 Air preowned for the last 3 years now and the thing is absolutely amazing, all this power AND it's is silly portable.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro with an M3 Pro, 18GB RAM, and 2TB SSD storage from Apple's certified refurbished!
Even though M4 is literally around the corner, I still like this one because I plan to video edit on it given I am trying to stick with Intel Arc on my Windows desktop... Plus battery performance on ARM vs an x86 Windows laptop... I do miss my Surface Book...
Unless it’s for collector value I agree that buying an Intel Mac is dumb now, maybe some of the newer ones will get software updates for a couple more years but you’re bot gaining anything over a base M1 Air now.
ive got a M1 mini from 2020 bought second hand with 16Gb ram running 14.3, and a 2014 mini with 8Gb ram running 14.3, both are very good machines
a ssd will die it a matter of when not if but normally it take a incredible amount of time and if it is soldered down it makes it harder to recover data if your pc dies and a dead ssd will kill a newer mac
Ok but hear me out... what If I want to tripple boot between OSX, Linux, and Windows? Without Virtualization?
An Intel Mac is the only way to do that without Hackintoshing.
I don’t really see why anyone would to do that without virtualisation
@@montaguebarnabasltd because when you virtualize something you still have the overhead of both Operating Systems running simultaneously, and when you run on bare metal... you don't (have to share ram, gpu, cpu cores).
@@ajplays-gamesandmusic4568 I’m aware, but M1 performs better virtualised than Intel can running natively.
I have the same 2012 but with a 2TB drive. Love it!/ Yesterday I replaced the keyboard. I love being to fix replace/update parts when needed. I know there are faster lighter MBP's but I'm holding out for as long as I can.
i just bought a 2013 mac pro for $250 and put 64GB of ram in it for $50... and i use it my day job at a repair shop. (admittedly the ram was a touch overkill but... what are ya gonna do). it sits behind my monitors and works dilligently.
Not a bad deal!
@@montaguebarnabasltd i did check out an m1 mac mini but it was going to be more expensive for a unit that had 16gb of ram (which was the minumum needed for this application).
buuut also the AC power at work isn't super clean and it causes wireless (namely bluetooth audio) interference issues, since mac minis are not grounded (their AC connector only has two pins) and the mac pro IS grounded (3 pins).
my theory seems to have been proven correct since i have much better bluetooth performance.
The intel macs are well built machines which run Linux really well. If you want Mac os then perhaps you are better off on the m series chips
I got a 2012 powerhouse macbook pro to do basic cuts for work on the move. But its never intended to be a main computer.
plus it was like 250 bucks ssd upgraded.
Now I might be able to upgrade my old imac to a mac studio and to think itll be faster than a intel mac pro... Man I am pumped.
yes I agree don't buy an Intel Mac buy a Thinkpad
Apple silicon into 4th gen almost and it appears only a small percent of Intel Mac's will even support Sequoia coming out. If your like me and still have a Intel Mac I would just use it until you can't. Values have tanked and I would not recommend anyone buy a Intel Mac for any amount of money.
I won't buy any laptop or computer that I can't repair or upgrade myself. In fact I've not bought a Mac product since the Power PC architecture was abandoned. by the way, How much is Apple paying you?
honestly an intel mac is just a good decision for people who want a laptop that can run both mac and windows , i like that i could replace my ssd or battery, and i don’t need the m series chips, sure i sometimes get annoyed about the lack of software updates but apps work and it runs all the apps i need and sometimes even faster than my windows laptop, the 2014 mac just looks and feels great, people should just buy what they need , an old mac with intel still works and feels great, if you need performance though these mac’s are just not made for that nowerdays , they‘re old and you need to know what you‘re getting into
Interesting but I disagree. Other than laptop battery length, the Intel desktop still crushes the Mac desktops for all the reasons others have mentioned and from my experience, plus, some M machines are showing their weaknesses. And yes, neither companies are friends of consumers, but intel and pc companies hate us a little bit less. Repairability does not exist in Apple land.
These new machines are a total nightmare to fix, change or upgrade. Yes, you will eventually need a new battery. And no, you should not support Apple's planned e-waste strategy.
You're missing the point about old macbooks.
They often had upgradeable hard drives (and even RAM in some models).
By constantly buying the new stuff, you're just playing into Tim Cook's hands.
Did you watch the full video..?
Why do you buy "constantly new stuff"?
I am building my own PCs since the 90s and learned this: as a gamer, the only thing you more or less regularly upgrade is the graphic card, and even that wasn't a topic any more in recent years when games started to align to the performance of current gen gaming consoles by design. These days, you can run any game with a AMD 5700 or an NVIDIA 1070. But eventually Macs are nothing you use for gaming. When upgrading my PC, I noticed that the most benefit over the years originate in switching from HDDs to SSDs and in switching from 8 GB RAM to 16 GB RAM, which I run on all my machines and never saw anything justifying to upgrade RAM further. I also learned that my needs are met by 1 TB of permanent storage. So that is a config I ran for years on a hackintosh: 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD. I also learned that doing a major upgrade of the CPU is essentially a complete rebuild of the PC interior: you need a new motherboard, new (as faster) RAM, a more powerful energy supply and a better CPU cooler. You can keep the chassis, its fans and the permanent storage unless you want to benefit from faster access speed like PCI-E instead of SATA.
I ran a hackintosh since macOS Sierra but bought my first Apple computer (since the Apple IIe) when Apple moved to Apple Silicon. That machine, a mini M1, configured based on the parameters established above from experience, supports my work (Software development) for more than three years now and there is no need to upgrade anything. I will run this until there are no macOS updates anymore for it. And there is still no pressure to ask for more RAM than 16 GB or more permanent storage but 1 TB. And with those parameters Apple Silicon Macs are still competitive in pricing. Despite Apples unreasonably looking upgrade price tags.
buddy, the computers you're talking about are 12 years old at this point. Most modern apps don't work on them anymore and they are starting to get to an age where the capacitors will fail at one point - and good luck repairing that on your own. Not even speaking about recent macOS versions, which you can get with OpenCore, but will run "suboptimal" to say the least with the natural limitations of memory swap (SSD even in RAID will be too slow) and the hard capped 16 GBs of RAM. So for anything more than mail and typing documents these will not make you happy.
A 2017 MacBook Pro is 7 years old. No one is talking about “constantly buying new stuff” we are talking about the fact if you buy a 7+ year old laptop it’s not a great deal and probably at end of life. I just got my M3 Pro MacBook Pro which was an upgrade from the 2019 MacBook Pro. I got 5 years out of it and probably won’t upgrade the M3 Pro for another 5 years. Two laptops in ten years isn’t “constantly buying new stuff”
@@olafschluter706 Wouldn't be that much of an issue if Apple Silicon Macs supported eGPUs over Thunderbolt like they used to. Raspberry Pi and plenty of ARM systems support PCIE GPUs, I don''t get why that can't be any different with Apple's current hardware. Not even the new Mac Pros using Apple Silicon support GPUs.
The iMac doesn't have an M2 Config, it's M1 or M3!
You’re absolutely right. Dodgy writing from me there :(
Heavily recommend getting an intel iMac and following Luke miani's guide to get a cheap sexy 4k screen.
My problem with the ARM MacBooks is the fact they only have 8GB in the base configuration. If you can't upgrade the ram then Apple should include at least 16Gb or even better just give the option to upgrade it later. Also it's just a bigger iPhone, so they can just decide to cut updates and you won't be able to use a modern OS anymore.
Just recently upgraded to an M3 Pro 14 inch 18gb ram mbp from a 2011 mb air. Only reason i upgraded was fusion 360 dropping support for my old air. Will be keeping this as for as long as it’s supported by the apps I need.
Me: I need virtualization on a daily basis and the Apple Silicon is not up to scratch yet.
My employer bought a refurb from Apple (i7 8 cores/32GB RAM/512GB SSD, 4 Thunderbolt ports), which does the job just fine. I'd wish it had better cooling though.
What exactly are you doing with virtualization if you don't mind me asking? I have a fully loaded M2 Air and regularly use Linux VM's, Windows 11 Enterprise and BSD. They run beautifully. I feel like the Windows 11 runs faster than it does on my desktop.
@@SintaxBSD. I run Kali Linux, and occasionally Windows when I need to use certain niche software.
UTM on Apple Silicon does not cut it. Colleagues tried with Fusion and Parallel and were unimpressed.
It honestly wouldn't be so bad if 2017< macbooks use the touch bar and the T2 security chip. For retina macbooks
I got a 2013 Retina MacBook Pro at its very time, I'm still squeezing the most of it as of today, it is even running Ventura with boot patches ( I'm aware it can run Sonoma but I don't want to bother with it ) and with a 480Gb storage upgrade, for I got the 128Gb at the time, which used to be more than enough at the time ( surprise surprise, it is not anymore hahah ).
I'm really holding my desires to get any M1 laptop ( with 16Gb of RAM this time ) at the end of this year, and it's going to be my christmas present of course.
I plan and hope it to last me as much as my current MacBook Pro has lasted so far.
If I can find a well maintained 2019 16" Macbook Pro at a good price, I'd buy one. For the 16" nice screen. I mainly use my pcs with headphones on anyway, so the fans won't bother me too much. I sold my 2015 13" that I had put an ssd adapter in and put in a 512 GB ssd... worked flawlessly, but I need a slightly bigger screen.
I picked up a 2015 MBP 15 inch and I've used it as my personal laptop for 3 months now. I took it on holiday with me and watched films on the plane, lasted the full 3 hours (just)
It does great for excel or browsing or booking something. Editing for my UA-cam channel (not this one obviously) and gaming is all still done on my desktop. I talked myself out of buying an M1 MacBook or worse a MacBook Pro 2019 5600M i9 16 inch over heating machine because I realised I really do not have a use case for needing so much grunt on the move.
I will however be getting an M1/M2/M3 MacBook as my next one. I realised how much I miss macOS, especially on the move, and like you say battery life and thermals is unrivaled on the M series.
Yeah all of the Macs have their needs, depending on the pricepoint. I think you’ve got the right idea in buying Apple Silicon as your main machine though!
Got a mid 2012 Air, just needed that MagSafe2 adapter and it was set. Could do with a healthier battery. Core i7 model, 8gb ram, 250gb SSD. It was free, so I believe you should pay what an Intel mac is worth - even if you like me are going to give it Linux in order to make it a fair bit safer and actually supported and updatable and usable.
I agree if you plan to run MacOS on them; if you can find one for much less, like $300, they do run linux quite well these days. I have nixos on a 2013 MBP and wifi, trackpad - everything works very well. Soon I will do the same to my 2019 MBP/16".
The hard drive in my 4 year old Intel iMac started dying. I plugged in an external SSD since there’s still a lot of life in the iMac (plus I can keep using the SSD even if I no longer have the iMac). I’m not planning to replace the iMac until it no longer gets updates or my important apps aren’t supported.
4:34 There never was an M2 iMac. Apple skipped the M2 when releasing the M3 iMac to supercede the M1 version.
You’re absolutely right. My mistake in writing.
6:33 Let me just stop you right there; my 2019 Intel MacBook Pro has all the same repairability issues as an M-chip based machine. Everything is soldered in.
Edit: Also, for me, it’s not (entirely) about part failure. I found out my RAM was soldered in when I wanted to upgrade it from 16GB to 32GB - a trivial thing in previous Macs. This was just 2 years in. And yeah, I was stuck with 512GB of storage too.
I am typing this on a M3 MAX with 64 GB and am staring above at my retired Early 2011 17-inch MBP with Intel CPU 2820-QM 2.3 gHZ which was the top of the line at that time but is now way past its prime.
Memories.
PowerPC is the future.
I mean why not get a 2019 mac and use bootcamp for a few more years? Not the worst idea to get a couple more years out of it if you don't need Mac OS
Patch with open core and bob's your uncle. Your welcome 🤗
Tim Cook and Co. have ruined Mac Computers as far as being upgradable and their upgrade prices for ram and storage on Apple silicon are ridiculous. They have no shame. At least you can upgrade the storage and ram on some of the Intel models and it’s way cheaper than Apple prices.
the last MacBook Pro with upgradable SSD storage is 9 years old now. Same for RAM - 12 years. MacBook Air - 7 years for SSD, RAM was always soldered on. We're talking about times, when the headphone jack was still around on iPhones.
For me the older Intel models are great cheap machines for running Linux on.
I love my M1 Pro 14”… but I couldn’t stop myself from buying a 2017 12” (i5, 16GB, 512GB) as the form factor is just elite
You for got do not buy a butterfly keyboard mac, that is a number one disaster waiting to happen! i use my old intel macs with linux and they run great. they stay up to date have 0 issues. and they are cheap. and the SSD is replaceable in the older models and in my machine the ram is up gradable . here in the rest of the world apple stuff second hand stays very expensive and the new stuff is even more expensive! in USA you can still buy the M1 air, in a big chain retail store for 800 buck. Here in Europe you can not and a base m2 air is 1300 dollars inc tax a m3 only runs you 1350. a base 15 inch will run you 1668 dollars. as you can see that 16 inch intel macbook for only 800 bucks is looking very nice for me .
Uhm… no. Intel Macs have support for eGPU, and we can actually upgrade our RAM and our storage. So good luck calling our devices obsolete.
Bleeding edge. Bleeding wallet.
Here's My MAC Resale Experience they REALLY Hold Their Value!
MacIntosh 1987 - $1200. Sold Seven Years Later for $500
Mac 1995 - $1800. Sold Ten Years Later for $700
Mac 2012 - $2100. Sold 2020 for $900
Mac 2012 14" Laptop - $2400 Sold 2021 for $960
Just Bought My Mac mini in 2020 For $800. Keeping for the next ten years
And Bought A Mac Studio M2 for $2300. Keeping for the next ten years or until I die which ever comes first.
It's Called MAC World Because Apple People Live On Another PC Planet. We Dont KNOW What A Glitch Is!
NONE Of My Macs Have EVER Been in Repairs NONE! Not ONE!
$960?? 2012 14”??
Are we talking CA dollars?
What happened to right to repair?
Used M1 MacBook air is relatively cheap right now costing around 450-550 .But I am against buying used laptop that has soldered ssd , this applies to not only the apple silicon ones but the intel one as well . There is a risk that your ssd can just drop dead not long after you bought it and you can do nothing about it. If you are looking for a used laptops , it is better to go with the ones with replaceable ssd .For laptops with soldered ssd , it is worth to pay a bit more to get a brand new one with warranty and sold it and upgrade to a new one before the warranty expired.
Guessing you missed the part where I talked about SSDs…?