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I pulled some league average stats from the 2013-14 season compared to the 2023-24 season to see how things have changed from just before the Steph Curry Warriors to the modern day. To condense things, every stat below will be in the form of [Category: 2013-14/2023-24] Percentage of FGA that are dunks: 4.8% / 6.0% Percentage of FGA that are layups: 22.9% / 27.4% Percentage of FGA within 10 ft: 45.5% / 45.2% Percentage of FGA from 10ft-3P: 28.5% / 15.4% Percentage of FGA from 3P+: 25.9% / 39.5% Most notably from this, shots from within 10ft haven't changed at all in 10 years, and dunks/layups have *increased* in frequency. The growth of the 3-point shot has come exclusively at the expense of mid and long-range 2's. So in other words, teams aren't taking more jump shots than they were 10 years ago. They're just taking better ones. Furthermore, the idea mentioned at 3:06 that "the ideal possession end[s] with an open 3" is wrong, even for the Celtics. The ideal possession is and always has been a shot at the rim. Dunks and layups are more efficient than 3's, which is why transition basketball is largely dominated by close range 2's instead of open 3s. So why then have 3's increased if close-range 2s are the ideal possession? Because spacing and 3-point shooting create room for better drives to the rim. As John Wooden wrote in Practical Modern Basketball: "If a team has no dangerous outside shooters, the defense will mass closer to the basket and make it extremely difficult for any offense to get the close-in shots. A driving player who can hit from outside becomes more effective as a driver because he draws the defense closer to him, which makes it easier to get by the defense." This is from 1966, so it's not exactly new information. Also worth noting; here's the last 12 finals teams and where they ranked in 3-point attempts vs offensive rating 23-24 Celtics: 1st/1st 23-24 Mavericks: 2nd/10th 22-23 Nuggets: 26th/5th 22-23 Heat: 10th/25th 21-22 Warriors: 3rd/17th 21-22 Celtics: 9th/7th 20-21 Bucks: 8th/6th 20-21 Suns: 15th/5th 19-20 Lakers: 22nd/11th 19-20 Heat: 9th/7th 18-19 Raptors: 11th/5th 18-19 Warriors: 8th/1st As you can see, the correlation between 3-point volume and offensive efficiency isn't that strong. So while it obviously helps to be a good 3-point shooting team, the idea that you need to take the most 3's to win a championship is (at this point) just recency bias. Plenty of teams since the Steph/Klay/KD Warriors have been great without taking a ton of 3's. Finally, the idea that we need rule changes to "fix" this is doing a disservice to NBA teams and coaches. The 3-point revolution didn't happen as a result of a rule change. After all, it's been in the same spot since 1997. What changed was the way players and coaches viewed the game. The 3-point revolution is the perfect example of a metagame evolving naturally. Basketball has grown and changed continuously for the past 75 years, and as long as teams invent creative ways to win, it will continue to evolve. At some point in the next 5-10 years some coach is going to invent a defensive scheme that counters the 3-point shot and they're going to win a championship because of it.
Y’all won’t be singing this same tune when teams start averaging 40+ 3s a game. At the end of the day the NBA is a product and I doubt fans are gonna wanna watch glorified 3 pt contests every game
@@X02Overdose I'm a Celtics fan. They've been attempting 42+ 3s a game since October 2022 and I'm loving every minute of it. Even if I wasn't, the number of jump shots being taken per game is the same as it was back in 2013. Finishing at the rim hasn't diminished at all since the 3-point revolution. Unless you watch basketball for midrange jumpers, you're not missing out on anything.
Well cause warriors and bron brought a lot of revenue so calling things that made them like that will lose profit. NBA is no longer a sport it's just a profit league. No wonder ppl prefer Euroleague than this crap.
Man, absolutely terrible take. "It was good when golden state did it but now that the celtics are doing it we need it to stop!" 7:17 in comparison, the shot quality for the celtics is the MOST important factor, as players will find that second, third and even fourth pass to find an open guy to get the highest percentage shot possible. And on top of that, they'll play defence on the other end. If you can't see that, then I don't think you're the super fanatic fan you claim you are.
You're using the best team in basketball to try and dismantle his point about every team in the game being similar. Sounds like you missed the forest for the trees.
It is not just the celtics. Everyone is doing it and it is hurting that game. That is the point. If one team was doing it, of course it is not a problem. Just imagine the entire league shooting 50 percent of their shots from 3 point range. It hurts the game
The thing is, there is no variety in scoring. Everyone wants to shoot 3s and no one wants to watch it which is why the viewership is constantly declining. There is no more defense, no more competitive spirit. I have never seen worse basketball being played in my life
I feel like the Celtics aren’t the greatest example, yes they shoot the most, but look at the 3’s generated, they have so many guys w downhill pressure, and other times they have to send doubles to Tatum which causes rotations and somebody is left open. If they were bad percentage wise and still jacking them up I would tend to agree, but they create such great shots most times that there’s no reason not to take them
The question is not: is it effective (if done well) but is it boring to watch? It is- we've lost much of the variation, free flow, different offensive styles from the game.
okay but particularly with boston the shot quality IS the most important. Generally Mazzulla wants them taking as many wide open 3s as possible, which they generate at a higher rate than any team in nba history bc of the drive and kick attack they use. The issue is when teams dont actually work for open 3s and just chuck shots, but those teams dont really...win
@@mike_oxhurt154It may not be entertaining, but it’s one of the best offenses of the last decade. It’s very difficult to outscore them from a math standpoint
@mike_oxhurt154 Watching your team win is entertaining. Sorry that your team sucks and you can't handle that the next potential dynasty also has to teach the crap teams to respect the 3 ball. Whine and cope.
@@mike_oxhurt154 But it isnt every play, its usually drive and kick into multiple actions to pull the defense into rotation and then a wide open 3 or dunk. Its almost identical to the 2014 spurs which im sure u think is one of the best teams to watch ever. Truth is if all those 3s were long 2s youd be calling it pure hoops or some bullshit
I disagree massively. Teams generate 3s in so many different ways so not every team plays exactly the same. Also the spacing has allowed for more free flowing play. If you actually watch a regular season game from pre 2005 you’ll realise that today’s basketball is actually way better. Players skillsets are way more diverse now, you get more intelligent plays and there’s more passing. You dont get one way players anymore or 3ppg players whos only job is to flagrant foul someone. I think people are forgetting the celtics are a generational team and its not easy to replicate the volume of 3s they’re creating. The roster is very talented and with the new cba rules it will not be easy to copy that style of roster that has a starting line up capable of shooting almost 40% from 3. The NBA has a crazy amount of pull still and people are still watching so if we really want things to change then stop watching basketball. I still enjoy so imma keep watching
the worst game of the 2005 NBA regular season is more interesting than the best game of the 2025 season. I have watched a shit ton of 2000s, 90s, 80s 70s even 60s games(well only highlights, we barely have any full games from the 60s and before) literally no other era comes even close to the level of BORINGNESS of today's NBA...
The league doesnt need any more rule changes, it needs a PHILOSOPHY change. There's more to the game than chucking threes. The KD Warriors are the ONLY team that's even repeated as champion in this "new era". That should tell you how UNSUSTAINABLE this style of play is.
Yeah, outside of a rule change, there's probably no immediate fix. I'd assume that in the long term, team defenses will catch up to this sort of play style which will cause teams to rely on 2pts again.
Then change the rules. Baseball changed the rules and the MLB is absolutely on fire. The three pointer isn't integral to the game, it's a completely arbitrary reward system that was thrown onto the court with no regard for it's effects because the NBA was dying and needed a gimmick to boost ratings.
My god... you Celtics guys have such a chip on your shoulder. Its not about the Celtics per se. And he even said it several times in the video. Its about EVERY TEAM trying to play like the Celtics and that there is no variety in the game anymore. Back in the GSW days we had the Grid&Grind Grizzlies, the heliocentric Harden-Rockets, the Midrange Raptors, The run&gun Thunder, the Balanced Team 1st Pacers, the attack the rim Lebron-Cavs... and we had the 5-out Warriors. Now? Can you name 5 good teams with differnt playstyles? Its either P&R drive&kick, or 5-out...
1. Celtics are better be of the best defenses in the league. So it’s hard to outgrind them 2. Heliocentric clippers with James Harden 3. Center-based Nuggets 4. Whatever the hell Lakers are doing 5. Different Giannis centered Bucks 6. Egalitarian OKC with hard playing centers 7. Brunson-centered NYK Each team brings a very different game plan on offense and on defense.
@@LouvoTaylor There were 294 dunks in 1997, 277 dunks in 2007, 322 dunks in 2017, and 387 dunks in 2024. If you like dunks, congrats, you're in the golden age of NBA dunks
One thing that's not talked about enough is the effect of current NBA trends further down the hierarchy in colleges and high schools across the nation. I'm not necessarily suggesting that college and high school coaches are running the same plays that NBA coaches do (they might be, I don't know) but the one area that it's definitely going to have an effect on is the way that players practice their individual skills. They're going to understand that they need to be able to function in an environment that's become increasingly "positionless" and will continue to become more "positionless" as time goes on. What are the two requirements for positionless basketball? Simple. Every player on the roster is a capable ball handler and every player on the roster has a good jump shot. I'm not talking about every player being able to handle the ball like Kyrie Irving or every player being able to shoot as well as Steph Curry. I'm merely suggesting that if you live in a world where the level of skill that every player has in these two essential areas is way higher on average than it was in the 90s, the 00s and even the 10s, regardless of whether they're 6'1" or 7'1", then that's just going to continue to feed into the pace and space era that we're in right now. Terms like "Center", "Small forward" and "point guard" will be completely irrelevant (they might be already) and we might even graduate from using the terms "bigs", "wings" and "guards" to something as simplistic as "bigs" and "smalls" because the physical appearance of a player will be the only difference, because as the game continues to evolve, I think that the level of skill at shooting and handling won't be any different. And then at the point where there's no difference between what someone big and someone small can do in terms of skill, the bigger, stronger guy is going to be more useful because of size, weight, muscular strength, boxing out, rebounding etc. Small ball was never small ball. It was skill ball. It just happened to start during a time when the truly skilled players tended to be on the smaller side. But over time, if the bigger players are equally skilled, then small ball, to skill ball is actually going to end up as big ball i.e. you won't want to have player on your team that's shorter than 6'8" and weighs less than 220. Think someone with the height and build of Jason Tatum being by far and away the smallest player on the court. That's what we're heading towards.
This is really only a problem when teams are jacking up bad 3s for the sake of jacking up 3s (2017 -18 rockets for example). For many teams there are plays and actions being ran to get the shooter open/defense in rotation leading to good ball movement and open 3s. Some people may not like that style of basketball, but to say it's just shooting 3s for the sake of shooting 3s is wrong
50% of your shots being three pointers is a bad television product no matter how intricate or well designed the offense is. I don't care if it's the Celtics or Kings or the Guangdong Tigers, if your offense is based around getting open threes and layups and absolutely nothing else, that is a bad thing.
I think instead of decreasing the 3ball you increase points overall to skew the math, 2s->3s 3s->4s. This would have to change how FTs work which I'd throw out the idea of changing it to take 1 shot for 3pts on a 3pt shot and 2 shots for a 4pt with each being worth 2pts. Less fts overall (improved product?) but pts stay = to the shot attempt. This would definitely be funky for awhile and not a data scientist by any means so would need some folks to crunch the numbers to see if this would actually fix anything
i do not know if the defensive 3 second rule still applies but if they remove that, then the 3 ball could be guarded better. it would also give a new importance to the center position
For me personally, I'd let all the 3 point chucking slide if teams would just go back to Home and Away jerseys with only 1 alternative for special occasions. But that's just me!
So every team playing better is a problem? I prefer that than a defended iso inefficient midrange jumper. In almost every sport that happens to a degree. The bests in each sport do a lot of things alike, and some different. In basketball I believe is variety, there is a lot of way you can impact the game, and a star can come in a lot of different shapes, them being physical or style-wise
Kobe talking about "Penetrate and Pitch" has nothing to do with how the game is played today. It was more about Lebron Ball a decade ago, where Lebron would do a hard drive to the basket and pitch it out for the open 3 or rely on his teammates to set hard screens and roll to the basket (in contrast to the triangle offense that the Lakers were running at the time). The free-flowing motion offenses of today's basketball popularized by the Warriors emphasize multiple passes that create mismatches and more 3's taken. That's much more exciting than yesterday's penetrator-style Superstars, Lebron, Harding, and Westbrook.
The answer to make the NBA interesting again: * get rid of the three point line * bring back hand checking * shorten the shot clock * lower time out amounts / half * Enforce the traveling rules!!
I think to fix the issue, the league needs to make the three point line further which should naturally incentivize players to shoot inside the arc since it’s easier. The players who really wanna shoot those 3s will but overall 3-point attempts will diminish
Nah it’s pretty fun to watch tbh. You have spot threes which was a lot of warriors and even Celtics but you also have step back threes like Luka and harden. There’s also logo threes lol
The only change I would like to see is the cut off of the corner three. Just have the ark of the three-point line run to the side line. I think that one subtle change could shake things up enough to make things interesting. Would you have a guy just standing in the corner spreading the floor if it's only worth two points?
to the ppl saying casual. yes, you are absolutely right. general viewers are not fans, they are casuals. to casuals, when something gets repetitive, it gets boring. its that simple. calling people who think this is a problem casuals does not change anything. they still make up most of the viewers. they still quit when they find something boring. basketball is a sport, nba is a business.
Casual players like a) winning b) enjoying the game. Problems are: A) in a parity league it’s hard to “know whom to root for” B) if everyone (from SAS to this channel) tells you “modern game is bad”, you’ll not watch the product. Have you seen a salesman telling you “my product is shit”? If tomorrow SAS starts talking how modern game is the best ever, the attitude will change in a second
because the NBA rules this days allowed players to shoot 3's COMFORTABLY, like the rule that defensive player's feet cannot be under the shooters landing space. no hand checking. all of this open the the door for better shot making from 3. CHANGE THE RULE AND YOU WILL CHANGE THE GAME.
And one more thing. The Nuggets won by playing their own Style just last year. They could’ve made the finals and maybe defeat the Celtics and we wouldn’t have this conversation. Let’s come down a little bitt. We might witness the Celtics losing the conference finals somehow or something. You may never know.
As you rightly said, if you don't take enough threes, you're at a mathematical disadvantage. So teams will keep taking plenty of them. Maybe, the league will eventually consider abolishing the corner three to limit the problem somewhat.
Most of the 3's that the Celtics take are *wide open* because they play five out with 8 rotation players that can hit an open 3. That is the whole (pretty obvious) game plan. If the opponent does not want them to be open for all of those 3's maybe they should try to play an effective perimeter defence? Or is it impossible to get an NBA team to play that kind of defence? Also. Very interesting that this did not seem to be a problem for the last 10 years. Until it's the Boston Celtics winning this way...
...you make the court 6 in longer, 6 in wider. You move the line back 3 inches out further around the perimeter. You opening up space, albeit not much inside the perimeter which would incentivize driving and although it's only 3 in around the perimeter those 3 inches will cost the "accidental basketball" makes from the players who shouldn't be shooting volume 3's anyway.
What problem are you talking about? if a team shoots a lot of 3 and they make it, I dont see any problem in that, the only problem is, if you shoot 3 and none of them going in. the problem is when player is doing something that is beyond their skill level. this concept of everyone is shooting 3s and its bad, is basically ignorant of the how the players have evolved. If you asked the 80s and 90s players to shoot the same amount of 3s today, it will not work because they dont have the same shooting prowess as the players of today. I'm starting to feel like these talking points are media creating a narrative that is not really based on watching the game. Will this narrative exist if the teams just shoot a few inches inside the 3 point line? Shooting 3s stretch out the defense, which create rooms for other players to drive the lane. the reason why players are asked to shoot in 3 point line is because, it forces the teams to make a decision of run out to the players shooting the 3 or stay in the lane to protect the basket, and with the NBA players getting bigger and longer, it is a no brainer to expand the offense beyond the paint. Teams create gameplan to get an open shot, and the only way to that with players getting bigger and longer is to extend the playing field, and the only way to do that is to extend your scoring vicinity.
the goal of NBA is to win a title if 3 point helps them reach their goal, it doesn't matter even if everyone hates them for taking a bunch of threes GO BOSTON get that back-to-back!!!
Yes, I have been saying for years that the 3 pointer has ruined the beauty of the game. What they should do is limit teams to 25 3's a game that count as 3's . so the first 25 shot count as 3. Any after that do not. so it would add strategy to work for 2 point shots and save some threes for later in the game.
The two best three point shooting teams last season were OKC and Boston were both 1 seeds and Boston went on to win the title while OKC’s loss had a lot to do with PJ Washington going bananas from three in their series. So the three is not a problem. It’s an effective tool that’s necessary to win. If a shooting team comes up against a team with no shooters in the playoffs more often than not we know how that’s going to turn out because teams have learned how to maintain guys who only go to the rim for the most part. You have to be able to stretch the floor to win.
I mean there is nothing stopping the teams from shooting less threes 🤷♂️. But if you are the 2016 Golden State Warriors or the 2024 Boston Celtics, you just have to use it to your advantage.
Problem is younger generations and global audience see more power and excitement in the arc of 3 point shots than in easy dunks. You can blame it for Curry. Simply because 3 point shots need more skills than bully balls heavily relying on mismatch. But I don’t mind pushing the line further and maybe getting rid of the corner threes if necessary.
The first time that I got intruduced to the NBA was in 2020 during corona. I was bored as hell as a 14 yo in Europe and a game between the Rockets and Lakers popped up. I knew who Lebron was so watched it. Was hooked and have been religiously watching to last season. But right now I cant even stand to watch a extended highlight video. Right now im trying to watch the MLB and a bit of NFL. Baseball games are just more tense and fun to watch, well maybe it could be that Its just the playoffs, but still the games are more enjoyable to watch.
i dont wanna go back to the times when teams would just dump the ball to a tall dude with his back to the basket. i want to see movement, great plays and fast paced action
Controversial take but what about removing the 3-point line completely. Make it old-school ball. That way there will be more incentive to finish at the basket / shoot floaters and the “floor spacers” would simply be outside two-point shooters. Players like Steph would live on outside shots while guys like Giannis would dominate the inside. Prolific scorers either way.
What other NBA teams fail to see is that the Celtics are not only great 3-point shooters but also GREAT DEFENDERS. The Houston Rockets used to have the same "3 is more than 2" mentality averaging 40+ 3pt attempts per game but they sucked on defense which is why they never even reached the Finals
If the nba do that i promise you no player under 6'6 will get drafted in the nba.. why because you want all drive and dunk can you imagine if you a let say 6'3 how can you drive and play a player if you clog all the player in the paint that has a height of 6'8 to 7'3
I have to heavily disagree. Saying “shooting more 3 is ideally the best way to play nba basketball” or “it’s the best way to win” is just false. Yes the 3 point volume has increased but shots at rim are still more valuable than 3s. A shot at the rim is on average going to generate more points for every player in the league then taking a 3
One solution could be incorporating FIBA/Olympic rules. Teams can zone up and put kore pressure at the 3pt line. Forcing players to use their mid game and force coaches to run plays!!!!
The only way I see to resolve the 3 pointer 'problem' is to change the math. A 3 point shot is better analytically because of the math. If you increase the value of the 2 pointer to 3 points, and increase the 3 to a 4 pointer, this changes the math. A change would also need to be made to free throws, personally i would make them worth 2 points. This would change the math, and increase the value of playing 'inside'. The mid range is still dead, because it isn't efficient for most players. I am also uncertain how much this would change the game. The game is played outside the arc, or at the basket.
2 million people showed up to the Boston parade, seems like they’re fine with 3s. Celtics bout to go on a run, now shooting is an issue? Don’t forget, this guy picked against Boston in the Finals.
Here's a suggestion to spice up the game. Take away the side threes, extend the three-point line further out, and give teams a 36-second shot clock timer instead of 24. Teams can take more time getting plays set up, slowing the game down, and making for some funinside-outt work. More mid-range shots and three-pointers will still be present but more unique and harder to come by. Some of the best basketball is when 2 all star players go 1v1. But with the three point shot, it's too much work and we hardly see it anymore. Thoughts?
I personally hate it. I am so bored by watching guys jack up 3 point shots, that no joke I would not be opposed the the nba simply eliminating the 3 point line. I think there has to be a better solution, but to me the bottom line is that something has to change.
The problem is not the 3s but paying players all this money. Why should a player work extra hard if they are still willing to pay them 100million of dollars. Back in the day the players had to earn every penny and it was more competitive.
this video wouldve be better if it backed up its assertions with some film and data, im sympathetic to the idea that style of play has become somewhat more homogenous but did the league really used to have such stunning variety, not really for a long time what you had was a ton of iso ball, and was that better no it wasnt it was much worse, the game is so much better now from a skill and tactics perspective everyone can shoot and they work hard to get good shots, are we really pining for the days of no skill big men standing around in the paint knocking guys over, i think one reason we see a lot of evidence free takes on this topic is in order to get the evidence people would have to go back and watch guys take shots one foot inside the three point line and might come to the conclusion that that sucked actually lol
The only way this problem might be able to be fixed is if they move the 3 point line back farther from where the center of the court is to around the hash marks. Back in the 94-95 season the NBA shortened the line to encourage players to shoot more threes now it’s time for the opposite.
I would get rid of the defensive 3 seconds and the backdown rule where you can’t back players down for what is it 5 seconds? It would help defenses play the paint better meaning perimeter players defenders can pressure the line and force people to drive, I feel like fiba doesn’t have this problem we should see what they’re doing differently maybe because the court is slightly smaller they can get to the 3 line faster
The Fiba court is smaller (narrower which is more important) which allows to close out faster on corner and 45 3s. Goaltending rules are also different which reduces lucky bounces and helps defense)
This is a stupid assessment... When Steph did this, it wasn't an issue. Now that the Celtics are doing this, it's a problem? The C's beat the brakes off of everyone because they've mastered the numbers game. Too bad, so sad if your team can't compete.
That has been always an issue and is constantly brought back from time to time. It happened with GSW too, you're just conveniently pretending nobody complained about it
@@juliothom2408 No one was. People *loved* that shit back then. This is just an issue now because it's the Celtics doing it. If it was the Grizzlies, Timberwolves or OKC playing this way, people would not stop talking about how fun they where. And you all know it.
@VernonTang Thats not even true. Teams like Denver has the lowest attempted threes in the league. And they are not alone. Bostons entire strategy is to get the best shot and most of their tree-pointers are open because they have a roster that can pass, drive to the hoop and hit a jumper. Most other teams have one or two players that can do that consistently and they take a lot of contested trees and miss. That is when it becomes boring to watch.
I don’t think the immediate problem is the three point shooting. I think the problem is more the amount of foul calls on almost every play on any given night
I think what's killing the league is that everyone is using the same thing as the others If golden state resorts to 3s then the other 29 teams copy them, if suddenly phoenix wins using steals and fastbreak score the rest will ctrl c+ctrl v, detroit just dunks and made it to the finals? Let's all forget about shooting and let's dunk like we're shaq!
You can always move the 3 point line back or the basket smaller. If players start losing money bc no one wants to pay for the rights anymore because it’s a boring sport it will change. Every sport evolves eventually. This is peak analytics right now in mlb and nba
Like everything, there is a point of diminishing returns and i think we are almost there. The best teams won't elect to 'live and die by the 3' when they have a better chance of winning with a more balanced proportion of interior play. Not sure when this will be, but its bound to happen Trends are a pendulum and we have swung almost too far to the left
The NBA has had the 3 point shot since 1979! which was said to allow the smaller player to be a bigger part of the game. Of course then Jack Sikma in Seattle started shooting 3's. Al Horford in his first stint in Boston started shooting 3's and was criticised by many. Now, of course, every big man needs to shoot 3's and space the floor for dunks, which are an increasing percentage of shots. It wasn't until MIke D"Antoni started the 3 point revolution and Steve Kerr capitalized upon it that we now see the current NBA. Think about it: a 3 point shot is worth 50% more than a 2 point shot. For easy math, if you shoot 40% from 3, you are shooting 60%! Why do you think we have all these metrics and real-shooting percentages?
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The Celtics can do it because they can put 5 players in who are all excellent shooters and actually run plays to get themselves open. Other teams just shoot 3's with no purpose at all
It's math. It's not hard. If you can shoot 40% in 3s, you have an elite all-time offense. Many, many NBA shooters, can hit close to that--A lot. So, layups, dunks and threes. It's dumb to take a 15 foot shot. The reason why the regular season is a bad product, is because stars are always in "maintenance" so you never know what you are gonna get from a game-to-game basis.
There's so many problems right now with the NBA. 2/3 of the league makes the playoffs. If you care even a little, you're in the playoffs. So who cares about the regular season? If only 6 teams made it and the top 2 teams are playing for the bye in the first round than every single game would matter. Now the players have to care. Imagine load management when you're 7th in the league just outside of the playoffs. Every game matters especially out west. The players also have no competitiveness. They just don't care. They try to bribe them with a lot of money if they win the play in tournament and with awards if they play just 80% of the games. Cool but that looks really bad that you have to bribe the players to care. I think the lottery is also a problem. Because of the lottery we have teams stuck in developmental hell for a decade with no way to get out. They made incentives for staying with the team that drafted you which killed free agency. Then they turned around and made it harder to draft good players with the lottery. So how are you supposed to rebuild? If the players don't care, the product on the floor is boring, my team is stuck in development hell, and the games are meaningless, why would I go out of my way to watch the games. The answer to a lot of fans right now seems to be that they just won't.
The "problem" is the Celtics are too good. Commendable effort from the GM Office over the last 10 years, they deserve their current situation and the insanely well built roster
How can we stop it? Make a 4 point line? Or get rid of the three? I for one like the 3 and it just makes a mid range hooper stand out even more since the 3 is being used more (not being sarcastic btw)
i think ther is a little because feels you need to be a 3 point shooter or get traded or go undrafted, it feels like even centers are required to shoot 3's and when i think of center if i owned a team i wouldn't want them anywhere near the outside i want my C inside to rebound offense missed shots and D missed shots
That’s an old school mentality. Centers need to be more ball skilled as time goes on. In 20 years, every starting center will be able to shoot at least 38% from 3 while still being expected to rebound and protect the rim
@@obi3924 i am older but i'll stand with what i say i want my centers inside grabbing rebounds not outside shooting 3's even though that's the way things are going
The NBA has a ton of problems, they've ignored them and now the chickens are coming home to roost. People wanna claim that us talking about it is anti-Celtics bias but a report JUST came out that viewership is way down this year compared to this point of the season last year. Once Lebron, Curry and Durant hang it up it's gonna get ugly. Which brings me to my first problem. There are no definitive new faces of the league. Silver did not prepare for life after those 3 at all now all of them are pushing 40 and the league is still depending on them. As far as on the court, the product is trash. Load management, no defense, players giving half hearted effort, terrible officiating, low fundamentals, blowouts, etc. killed the product. These games are glorified shootarounds at this point. The NBA has to figure out a way to incentivize teams and players to take the regular season more seriously, whether that be rule changes, a shorter season, less teams in the playoffs or something else I'm not thinking of. SOMETHING has to be done or ratings will continue to go down until it's no longer a viable product at all.
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Lame
I pulled some league average stats from the 2013-14 season compared to the 2023-24 season to see how things have changed from just before the Steph Curry Warriors to the modern day. To condense things, every stat below will be in the form of [Category: 2013-14/2023-24]
Percentage of FGA that are dunks: 4.8% / 6.0%
Percentage of FGA that are layups: 22.9% / 27.4%
Percentage of FGA within 10 ft: 45.5% / 45.2%
Percentage of FGA from 10ft-3P: 28.5% / 15.4%
Percentage of FGA from 3P+: 25.9% / 39.5%
Most notably from this, shots from within 10ft haven't changed at all in 10 years, and dunks/layups have *increased* in frequency. The growth of the 3-point shot has come exclusively at the expense of mid and long-range 2's. So in other words, teams aren't taking more jump shots than they were 10 years ago. They're just taking better ones.
Furthermore, the idea mentioned at 3:06 that "the ideal possession end[s] with an open 3" is wrong, even for the Celtics. The ideal possession is and always has been a shot at the rim. Dunks and layups are more efficient than 3's, which is why transition basketball is largely dominated by close range 2's instead of open 3s. So why then have 3's increased if close-range 2s are the ideal possession? Because spacing and 3-point shooting create room for better drives to the rim. As John Wooden wrote in Practical Modern Basketball: "If a team has no dangerous outside shooters, the defense will mass closer to the basket and make it extremely difficult for any offense to get the close-in shots. A driving player who can hit from outside becomes more effective as a driver because he draws the defense closer to him, which makes it easier to get by the defense." This is from 1966, so it's not exactly new information.
Also worth noting; here's the last 12 finals teams and where they ranked in 3-point attempts vs offensive rating
23-24 Celtics: 1st/1st
23-24 Mavericks: 2nd/10th
22-23 Nuggets: 26th/5th
22-23 Heat: 10th/25th
21-22 Warriors: 3rd/17th
21-22 Celtics: 9th/7th
20-21 Bucks: 8th/6th
20-21 Suns: 15th/5th
19-20 Lakers: 22nd/11th
19-20 Heat: 9th/7th
18-19 Raptors: 11th/5th
18-19 Warriors: 8th/1st
As you can see, the correlation between 3-point volume and offensive efficiency isn't that strong. So while it obviously helps to be a good 3-point shooting team, the idea that you need to take the most 3's to win a championship is (at this point) just recency bias. Plenty of teams since the Steph/Klay/KD Warriors have been great without taking a ton of 3's.
Finally, the idea that we need rule changes to "fix" this is doing a disservice to NBA teams and coaches. The 3-point revolution didn't happen as a result of a rule change. After all, it's been in the same spot since 1997. What changed was the way players and coaches viewed the game. The 3-point revolution is the perfect example of a metagame evolving naturally. Basketball has grown and changed continuously for the past 75 years, and as long as teams invent creative ways to win, it will continue to evolve. At some point in the next 5-10 years some coach is going to invent a defensive scheme that counters the 3-point shot and they're going to win a championship because of it.
jeez all-star comment here
This comment is comprehensive indeed. This youtuber is a clout chaser. One might say a poorly research illogical commentary.
Y’all won’t be singing this same tune when teams start averaging 40+ 3s a game. At the end of the day the NBA is a product and I doubt fans are gonna wanna watch glorified 3 pt contests every game
@@X02Overdose That has been said for a long time since GS dynasty, yet fans still consume the product. Please read the OP's comment and comprehend.
@@X02Overdose I'm a Celtics fan. They've been attempting 42+ 3s a game since October 2022 and I'm loving every minute of it.
Even if I wasn't, the number of jump shots being taken per game is the same as it was back in 2013. Finishing at the rim hasn't diminished at all since the 3-point revolution. Unless you watch basketball for midrange jumpers, you're not missing out on anything.
I highly disagree with the 3 pointer problem. The NBA has a no call problem. They're never calling travels, moving screens and flops.
This has been an issue for ages the no calls
That's kinda true and I know the main perp of that
Well cause warriors and bron brought a lot of revenue so calling things that made them like that will lose profit. NBA is no longer a sport it's just a profit league. No wonder ppl prefer Euroleague than this crap.
But they’re calling fouls too much…
There was a game that took 3 n half hours because ref called every foul
Man, absolutely terrible take. "It was good when golden state did it but now that the celtics are doing it we need it to stop!" 7:17 in comparison, the shot quality for the celtics is the MOST important factor, as players will find that second, third and even fourth pass to find an open guy to get the highest percentage shot possible. And on top of that, they'll play defence on the other end. If you can't see that, then I don't think you're the super fanatic fan you claim you are.
Nailed it!! Well said
You're using the best team in basketball to try and dismantle his point about every team in the game being similar. Sounds like you missed the forest for the trees.
It is not just the celtics. Everyone is doing it and it is hurting that game. That is the point. If one team was doing it, of course it is not a problem. Just imagine the entire league shooting 50 percent of their shots from 3 point range. It hurts the game
@@wraynephew6838only hurting the game for those who care
@@wraynephew6838fans don't care how their team wins, long as their team wins.
The thing is, there is no variety in scoring. Everyone wants to shoot 3s and no one wants to watch it which is why the viewership is constantly declining. There is no more defense, no more competitive spirit. I have never seen worse basketball being played in my life
yup , put a net in the middle of the court and just shoot in turn hahahahh
I feel like the Celtics aren’t the greatest example, yes they shoot the most, but look at the 3’s generated, they have so many guys w downhill pressure, and other times they have to send doubles to Tatum which causes rotations and somebody is left open. If they were bad percentage wise and still jacking them up I would tend to agree, but they create such great shots most times that there’s no reason not to take them
No reason other than, if you put boring sport on TV, people wont watch it.
The question is not: is it effective (if done well) but is it boring to watch?
It is- we've lost much of the variation, free flow, different offensive styles from the game.
okay but particularly with boston the shot quality IS the most important. Generally Mazzulla wants them taking as many wide open 3s as possible, which they generate at a higher rate than any team in nba history bc of the drive and kick attack they use. The issue is when teams dont actually work for open 3s and just chuck shots, but those teams dont really...win
Nice cope drive kick corner 3 every play isn't entertaining
@@mike_oxhurt154It may not be entertaining, but it’s one of the best offenses of the last decade. It’s very difficult to outscore them from a math standpoint
@mike_oxhurt154
Watching your team win is entertaining. Sorry that your team sucks and you can't handle that the next potential dynasty also has to teach the crap teams to respect the 3 ball. Whine and cope.
@@mike_oxhurt154 But it isnt every play, its usually drive and kick into multiple actions to pull the defense into rotation and then a wide open 3 or dunk. Its almost identical to the 2014 spurs which im sure u think is one of the best teams to watch ever. Truth is if all those 3s were long 2s youd be calling it pure hoops or some bullshit
Exactly
I disagree massively. Teams generate 3s in so many different ways so not every team plays exactly the same. Also the spacing has allowed for more free flowing play.
If you actually watch a regular season game from pre 2005 you’ll realise that today’s basketball is actually way better.
Players skillsets are way more diverse now, you get more intelligent plays and there’s more passing.
You dont get one way players anymore or 3ppg players whos only job is to flagrant foul someone.
I think people are forgetting the celtics are a generational team and its not easy to replicate the volume of 3s they’re creating. The roster is very talented and with the new cba rules it will not be easy to copy that style of roster that has a starting line up capable of shooting almost 40% from 3.
The NBA has a crazy amount of pull still and people are still watching so if we really want things to change then stop watching basketball. I still enjoy so imma keep watching
the worst game of the 2005 NBA regular season is more interesting than the best game of the 2025 season. I have watched a shit ton of 2000s, 90s, 80s 70s even 60s games(well only highlights, we barely have any full games from the 60s and before) literally no other era comes even close to the level of BORINGNESS of today's NBA...
You know what else is massive? LOW TAPER FADE
I miss when 3 pointers were just an “extra” option for offense :(
yup when 3point shoot is not easy , hit a three would be so great but now you can just shoot without and defend
If you think shot quality isn't important to the Celtics game, you're just watching highlights.
The league doesnt need any more rule changes, it needs a PHILOSOPHY change. There's more to the game than chucking threes. The KD Warriors are the ONLY team that's even repeated as champion in this "new era". That should tell you how UNSUSTAINABLE this style of play is.
Yeah, outside of a rule change, there's probably no immediate fix. I'd assume that in the long term, team defenses will catch up to this sort of play style which will cause teams to rely on 2pts again.
Then change the rules. Baseball changed the rules and the MLB is absolutely on fire. The three pointer isn't integral to the game, it's a completely arbitrary reward system that was thrown onto the court with no regard for it's effects because the NBA was dying and needed a gimmick to boost ratings.
As soon as the Celtics are forming a super team with dynasty potential the narrative becomes “Is the 3 ball ruining basketball?”
Can’t be a coincidence
Nba is boring if your favorite team sucks and the team you hate is successful, he's a hypocrite
My god... you Celtics guys have such a chip on your shoulder. Its not about the Celtics per se. And he even said it several times in the video. Its about EVERY TEAM trying to play like the Celtics and that there is no variety in the game anymore. Back in the GSW days we had the Grid&Grind Grizzlies, the heliocentric Harden-Rockets, the Midrange Raptors, The run&gun Thunder, the Balanced Team 1st Pacers, the attack the rim Lebron-Cavs... and we had the 5-out Warriors. Now? Can you name 5 good teams with differnt playstyles? Its either P&R drive&kick, or 5-out...
1. Celtics are better be of the best defenses in the league. So it’s hard to outgrind them
2. Heliocentric clippers with James Harden
3. Center-based Nuggets
4. Whatever the hell Lakers are doing
5. Different Giannis centered Bucks
6. Egalitarian OKC with hard playing centers
7. Brunson-centered NYK
Each team brings a very different game plan on offense and on defense.
@@gcvvideos9942NBA lost 10 million fans since 2019 because it became a flopping, diva and 3 point league. NBA been dead
In the 90s it was almost all iso play after iso play (due to the rules)
And we praise that era 🤗
Apparently it was just glorious to watch Kobe take 20 impossibly hard long 2's a game. Carmelo Anthonys playstyle (and tunnel vision) was even better!
@@Jonteponte71it was id rather see dunks 😂
@@LouvoTaylor There were 294 dunks in 1997, 277 dunks in 2007, 322 dunks in 2017, and 387 dunks in 2024. If you like dunks, congrats, you're in the golden age of NBA dunks
How many dunks this year@@HotCrossJuns
One thing that's not talked about enough is the effect of current NBA trends further down the hierarchy in colleges and high schools across the nation. I'm not necessarily suggesting that college and high school coaches are running the same plays that NBA coaches do (they might be, I don't know) but the one area that it's definitely going to have an effect on is the way that players practice their individual skills. They're going to understand that they need to be able to function in an environment that's become increasingly "positionless" and will continue to become more "positionless" as time goes on. What are the two requirements for positionless basketball? Simple. Every player on the roster is a capable ball handler and every player on the roster has a good jump shot. I'm not talking about every player being able to handle the ball like Kyrie Irving or every player being able to shoot as well as Steph Curry. I'm merely suggesting that if you live in a world where the level of skill that every player has in these two essential areas is way higher on average than it was in the 90s, the 00s and even the 10s, regardless of whether they're 6'1" or 7'1", then that's just going to continue to feed into the pace and space era that we're in right now. Terms like "Center", "Small forward" and "point guard" will be completely irrelevant (they might be already) and we might even graduate from using the terms "bigs", "wings" and "guards" to something as simplistic as "bigs" and "smalls" because the physical appearance of a player will be the only difference, because as the game continues to evolve, I think that the level of skill at shooting and handling won't be any different. And then at the point where there's no difference between what someone big and someone small can do in terms of skill, the bigger, stronger guy is going to be more useful because of size, weight, muscular strength, boxing out, rebounding etc. Small ball was never small ball. It was skill ball. It just happened to start during a time when the truly skilled players tended to be on the smaller side. But over time, if the bigger players are equally skilled, then small ball, to skill ball is actually going to end up as big ball i.e. you won't want to have player on your team that's shorter than 6'8" and weighs less than 220. Think someone with the height and build of Jason Tatum being by far and away the smallest player on the court. That's what we're heading towards.
This is really only a problem when teams are jacking up bad 3s for the sake of jacking up 3s (2017 -18 rockets for example). For many teams there are plays and actions being ran to get the shooter open/defense in rotation leading to good ball movement and open 3s. Some people may not like that style of basketball, but to say it's just shooting 3s for the sake of shooting 3s is wrong
50% of your shots being three pointers is a bad television product no matter how intricate or well designed the offense is. I don't care if it's the Celtics or Kings or the Guangdong Tigers, if your offense is based around getting open threes and layups and absolutely nothing else, that is a bad thing.
I think instead of decreasing the 3ball you increase points overall to skew the math, 2s->3s 3s->4s. This would have to change how FTs work which I'd throw out the idea of changing it to take 1 shot for 3pts on a 3pt shot and 2 shots for a 4pt with each being worth 2pts. Less fts overall (improved product?) but pts stay = to the shot attempt. This would definitely be funky for awhile and not a data scientist by any means so would need some folks to crunch the numbers to see if this would actually fix anything
Widen the court, make the 3 point line a half circle, and move it back a bit.
i do not know if the defensive 3 second rule still applies but if they remove that, then the 3 ball could be guarded better. it would also give a new importance to the center position
Kings are doing the exact opposite they take more mid range shots than threes
For me personally, I'd let all the 3 point chucking slide if teams would just go back to Home and Away jerseys with only 1 alternative for special occasions. But that's just me!
"The only thing worse than being wrong is being right too early"- Mike D'Antonio, probably
And people want a 4 point shot in the NBA from beyond half court 🤣
So every team playing better is a problem? I prefer that than a defended iso inefficient midrange jumper. In almost every sport that happens to a degree. The bests in each sport do a lot of things alike, and some different. In basketball I believe is variety, there is a lot of way you can impact the game, and a star can come in a lot of different shapes, them being physical or style-wise
Nba is boring if your favorite team sucks and the team you hate is successful, don't be a hypocrite
I love that it's when the Celtics are doing this everybody gets all worked up lmao.
Golden State Warriors did it and people got worked up so what you talking about?
Just bring back hand checking, easy answer, then players who know how to actually get buckets would get buckets.
Kobe talking about "Penetrate and Pitch" has nothing to do with how the game is played today. It was more about Lebron Ball a decade ago, where Lebron would do a hard drive to the basket and pitch it out for the open 3 or rely on his teammates to set hard screens and roll to the basket (in contrast to the triangle offense that the Lakers were running at the time). The free-flowing motion offenses of today's basketball popularized by the Warriors emphasize multiple passes that create mismatches and more 3's taken. That's much more exciting than yesterday's penetrator-style Superstars, Lebron, Harding, and Westbrook.
The answer to make the NBA interesting again:
* get rid of the three point line
* bring back hand checking
* shorten the shot clock
* lower time out amounts / half
* Enforce the traveling rules!!
I think to fix the issue, the league needs to make the three point line further which should naturally incentivize players to shoot inside the arc since it’s easier. The players who really wanna shoot those 3s will but overall 3-point attempts will diminish
NBA need back PHYSICAL PLAY ASAP DAMN
Nah it’s pretty fun to watch tbh. You have spot threes which was a lot of warriors and even Celtics but you also have step back threes like Luka and harden. There’s also logo threes lol
The only change I would like to see is the cut off of the corner three. Just have the ark of the three-point line run to the side line. I think that one subtle change could shake things up enough to make things interesting. Would you have a guy just standing in the corner spreading the floor if it's only worth two points?
The bigger problem than the 3’s are healthy guys not playing due to “load management”
to the ppl saying casual. yes, you are absolutely right. general viewers are not fans, they are casuals. to casuals, when something gets repetitive, it gets boring. its that simple. calling people who think this is a problem casuals does not change anything. they still make up most of the viewers. they still quit when they find something boring. basketball is a sport, nba is a business.
Casual players like a) winning b) enjoying the game.
Problems are:
A) in a parity league it’s hard to “know whom to root for”
B) if everyone (from SAS to this channel) tells you “modern game is bad”, you’ll not watch the product. Have you seen a salesman telling you “my product is shit”? If tomorrow SAS starts talking how modern game is the best ever, the attitude will change in a second
because the NBA rules this days allowed players to shoot 3's COMFORTABLY, like the rule that defensive player's feet cannot be under the shooters landing space. no hand checking. all of this open the the door for better shot making from 3. CHANGE THE RULE AND YOU WILL CHANGE THE GAME.
And one more thing. The Nuggets won by playing their own Style just last year.
They could’ve made the finals and maybe defeat the Celtics and we wouldn’t have this conversation.
Let’s come down a little bitt.
We might witness the Celtics losing the conference finals somehow or something.
You may never know.
As you rightly said, if you don't take enough threes, you're at a mathematical disadvantage. So teams will keep taking plenty of them. Maybe, the league will eventually consider abolishing the corner three to limit the problem somewhat.
Feels like every few years everyone gets a lil nervous that game is evolving, the nba is always era based and with it playstyles
Most of the 3's that the Celtics take are *wide open* because they play five out with 8 rotation players that can hit an open 3. That is the whole (pretty obvious) game plan. If the opponent does not want them to be open for all of those 3's maybe they should try to play an effective perimeter defence? Or is it impossible to get an NBA team to play that kind of defence?
Also. Very interesting that this did not seem to be a problem for the last 10 years. Until it's the Boston Celtics winning this way...
"accidental basketball"... I don't like Kobe as a player and never have, but i have to agree with that assessment 😂
...you make the court 6 in longer, 6 in wider. You move the line back 3 inches out further around the perimeter. You opening up space, albeit not much inside the perimeter which would incentivize driving and although it's only 3 in around the perimeter those 3 inches will cost the "accidental basketball" makes from the players who shouldn't be shooting volume 3's anyway.
What problem are you talking about? if a team shoots a lot of 3 and they make it, I dont see any problem in that, the only problem is, if you shoot 3 and none of them going in. the problem is when player is doing something that is beyond their skill level.
this concept of everyone is shooting 3s and its bad, is basically ignorant of the how the players have evolved. If you asked the 80s and 90s players to shoot the same amount of 3s today, it will not work because they dont have the same shooting prowess as the players of today.
I'm starting to feel like these talking points are media creating a narrative that is not really based on watching the game.
Will this narrative exist if the teams just shoot a few inches inside the 3 point line?
Shooting 3s stretch out the defense, which create rooms for other players to drive the lane.
the reason why players are asked to shoot in 3 point line is because, it forces the teams to make a decision of run out to the players shooting the 3 or stay in the lane to protect the basket, and with the NBA players getting bigger and longer, it is a no brainer to expand the offense beyond the paint.
Teams create gameplan to get an open shot, and the only way to that with players getting bigger and longer is to extend the playing field, and the only way to do that is to extend your scoring vicinity.
the goal of NBA is to win a title
if 3 point helps them reach their goal, it doesn't matter even if everyone hates them for taking a bunch of threes
GO BOSTON get that back-to-back!!!
Yes, I have been saying for years that the 3 pointer has ruined the beauty of the game. What they should do is limit teams to 25 3's a game that count as 3's . so the first 25 shot count as 3. Any after that do not. so it would add strategy to work for 2 point shots and save some threes for later in the game.
I agree with the lack of style point. It's an "outshoot" other teams league nowadays.
The two best three point shooting teams last season were OKC and Boston were both 1 seeds and Boston went on to win the title while OKC’s loss had a lot to do with PJ Washington going bananas from three in their series. So the three is not a problem. It’s an effective tool that’s necessary to win. If a shooting team comes up against a team with no shooters in the playoffs more often than not we know how that’s going to turn out because teams have learned how to maintain guys who only go to the rim for the most part. You have to be able to stretch the floor to win.
I mean there is nothing stopping the teams from shooting less threes 🤷♂️. But if you are the 2016 Golden State Warriors or the 2024 Boston Celtics, you just have to use it to your advantage.
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Problem is younger generations and global audience see more power and excitement in the arc of 3 point shots than in easy dunks. You can blame it for Curry. Simply because 3 point shots need more skills than bully balls heavily relying on mismatch. But I don’t mind pushing the line further and maybe getting rid of the corner threes if necessary.
The first time that I got intruduced to the NBA was in 2020 during corona. I was bored as hell as a 14 yo in Europe and a game between the Rockets and Lakers popped up. I knew who Lebron was so watched it. Was hooked and have been religiously watching to last season. But right now I cant even stand to watch a extended highlight video. Right now im trying to watch the MLB and a bit of NFL. Baseball games are just more tense and fun to watch, well maybe it could be that Its just the playoffs, but still the games are more enjoyable to watch.
american here who definitely finds playoff baseball far more enjoyable and tense than regular games, which are usually incredibly boring
i dont wanna go back to the times when teams would just dump the ball to a tall dude with his back to the basket. i want to see movement, great plays and fast paced action
Controversial take but what about removing the 3-point line completely. Make it old-school ball. That way there will be more incentive to finish at the basket / shoot floaters and the “floor spacers” would simply be outside two-point shooters. Players like Steph would live on outside shots while guys like Giannis would dominate the inside. Prolific scorers either way.
What other NBA teams fail to see is that the Celtics are not only great 3-point shooters but also GREAT DEFENDERS. The Houston Rockets used to have the same "3 is more than 2" mentality averaging 40+ 3pt attempts per game but they sucked on defense which is why they never even reached the Finals
If the nba do that i promise you no player under 6'6 will get drafted in the nba.. why because you want all drive and dunk can you imagine if you a let say 6'3 how can you drive and play a player if you clog all the player in the paint that has a height of 6'8 to 7'3
I have to heavily disagree. Saying “shooting more 3 is ideally the best way to play nba basketball” or “it’s the best way to win” is just false. Yes the 3 point volume has increased but shots at rim are still more valuable than 3s. A shot at the rim is on average going to generate more points for every player in the league then taking a 3
One solution could be incorporating FIBA/Olympic rules. Teams can zone up and put kore pressure at the 3pt line. Forcing players to use their mid game and force coaches to run plays!!!!
Make everything 3 point shot... Level the playing field. A lay up is a 3, a dunk is a 3, everything is a three. It devalues the 3 point line.
it's a problem because your favorite team is not winning 😂😂😂
The only way I see to resolve the 3 pointer 'problem' is to change the math. A 3 point shot is better analytically because of the math. If you increase the value of the 2 pointer to 3 points, and increase the 3 to a 4 pointer, this changes the math. A change would also need to be made to free throws, personally i would make them worth 2 points. This would change the math, and increase the value of playing 'inside'. The mid range is still dead, because it isn't efficient for most players.
I am also uncertain how much this would change the game. The game is played outside the arc, or at the basket.
2 million people showed up to the Boston parade, seems like they’re fine with 3s. Celtics bout to go on a run, now shooting is an issue?
Don’t forget, this guy picked against Boston in the Finals.
3pts are annoying to watch at this point
Not if youre a Celtics fans. Love every seconds of their offense 💚
The changed to rule to not exploit the paint, they should also changed the rule to not exploit spacing
I been saying for a couple seasons now to move the 3 point line back 2-3 feet. And maybe make the corner shot longer somehow too
Here's a suggestion to spice up the game. Take away the side threes, extend the three-point line further out, and give teams a 36-second shot clock timer instead of 24. Teams can take more time getting plays set up, slowing the game down, and making for some funinside-outt work. More mid-range shots and three-pointers will still be present but more unique and harder to come by. Some of the best basketball is when 2 all star players go 1v1. But with the three point shot, it's too much work and we hardly see it anymore. Thoughts?
I personally hate it. I am so bored by watching guys jack up 3 point shots, that no joke I would not be opposed the the nba simply eliminating the 3 point line. I think there has to be a better solution, but to me the bottom line is that something has to change.
The problem is not the 3s but paying players all this money. Why should a player work extra hard if they are still willing to pay them 100million of dollars. Back in the day the players had to earn every penny and it was more competitive.
I still watch football and baseball but there’s something about basketball that I just don’t feel as strong about anymore.
this video wouldve be better if it backed up its assertions with some film and data, im sympathetic to the idea that style of play has become somewhat more homogenous but did the league really used to have such stunning variety, not really for a long time what you had was a ton of iso ball, and was that better no it wasnt it was much worse, the game is so much better now from a skill and tactics perspective everyone can shoot and they work hard to get good shots, are we really pining for the days of no skill big men standing around in the paint knocking guys over, i think one reason we see a lot of evidence free takes on this topic is in order to get the evidence people would have to go back and watch guys take shots one foot inside the three point line and might come to the conclusion that that sucked actually lol
Bring back physical defensive rules. If you can’t touch anyone on the perimeter why wouldn’t you shoot?
yes it has - celtics fan but cant watch anymore just chuckin 3s its boring stupid nor pleasing to the eye
The only way this problem might be able to be fixed is if they move the 3 point line back farther from where the center of the court is to around the hash marks. Back in the 94-95 season the NBA shortened the line to encourage players to shoot more threes now it’s time for the opposite.
I would get rid of the defensive 3 seconds and the backdown rule where you can’t back players down for what is it 5 seconds? It would help defenses play the paint better meaning perimeter players defenders can pressure the line and force people to drive, I feel like fiba doesn’t have this problem we should see what they’re doing differently maybe because the court is slightly smaller they can get to the 3 line faster
The Fiba court is smaller (narrower which is more important) which allows to close out faster on corner and 45 3s. Goaltending rules are also different which reduces lucky bounces and helps defense)
@ that defensive 3 seconds is the biggest factor imo
Extend the three point line and take away the corner three
This is a stupid assessment...
When Steph did this, it wasn't an issue. Now that the Celtics are doing this, it's a problem?
The C's beat the brakes off of everyone because they've mastered the numbers game. Too bad, so sad if your team can't compete.
That has been always an issue and is constantly brought back from time to time. It happened with GSW too, you're just conveniently pretending nobody complained about it
@@soulreaper1461 I don’t remember hearing “change the rules” when Steph, Klay, and KD were bombing away from 3.
@@juliothom2408 No one was. People *loved* that shit back then. This is just an issue now because it's the Celtics doing it. If it was the Grizzlies, Timberwolves or OKC playing this way, people would not stop talking about how fun they where.
And you all know it.
@@Jonteponte71they jealous cause Celtics got more championships then the fakers
@VernonTang Thats not even true. Teams like Denver has the lowest attempted threes in the league. And they are not alone. Bostons entire strategy is to get the best shot and most of their tree-pointers are open because they have a roster that can pass, drive to the hoop and hit a jumper. Most other teams have one or two players that can do that consistently and they take a lot of contested trees and miss. That is when it becomes boring to watch.
I don’t think the immediate problem is the three point shooting.
I think the problem is more the amount of foul calls on almost every play on any given night
Might work if they remove the corner 3s. Then you won't have guys just standing out there waiting for a kick-out all game.
I think what's killing the league is that everyone is using the same thing as the others
If golden state resorts to 3s then the other 29 teams copy them, if suddenly phoenix wins using steals and fastbreak score the rest will ctrl c+ctrl v, detroit just dunks and made it to the finals? Let's all forget about shooting and let's dunk like we're shaq!
Blame this issue on the lack of development in our young bigs who learn nothing in AAU. An infusion of quality bigs should fix this issue.
3 points for dunks and a 4 point line will fix it
I know it's impossible, but 3 points for dunks sounds fun...
Clearly this video lacks a lot of context. One might say a poorly research illogical commentary.
You can always move the 3 point line back or the basket smaller. If players start losing money bc no one wants to pay for the rights anymore because it’s a boring sport it will change. Every sport evolves eventually. This is peak analytics right now in mlb and nba
Watch fans going crazy as three-point bombs go in and tell me that we don’t like three-point shots.
Like everything, there is a point of diminishing returns and i think we are almost there. The best teams won't elect to 'live and die by the 3' when they have a better chance of winning with a more balanced proportion of interior play. Not sure when this will be, but its bound to happen
Trends are a pendulum and we have swung almost too far to the left
The NBA has had the 3 point shot since 1979! which was said to allow the smaller player to be a bigger part of the game. Of course then Jack Sikma in Seattle started shooting 3's. Al Horford in his first stint in Boston started shooting 3's and was criticised by many. Now, of course, every big man needs to shoot 3's and space the floor for dunks, which are an increasing percentage of shots. It wasn't until MIke D"Antoni started the 3 point revolution and Steve Kerr capitalized upon it that we now see the current NBA. Think about it: a 3 point shot is worth 50% more than a 2 point shot. For easy math, if you shoot 40% from 3, you are shooting 60%! Why do you think we have all these metrics and real-shooting percentages?
When you shoot more often, you naturally get better at doing it.
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The Celtics can do it because they can put 5 players in who are all excellent shooters and actually run plays to get themselves open. Other teams just shoot 3's with no purpose at all
It's math. It's not hard. If you can shoot 40% in 3s, you have an elite all-time offense. Many, many NBA shooters, can hit close to that--A lot. So, layups, dunks and threes. It's dumb to take a 15 foot shot.
The reason why the regular season is a bad product, is because stars are always in "maintenance" so you never know what you are gonna get from a game-to-game basis.
There's so many problems right now with the NBA. 2/3 of the league makes the playoffs. If you care even a little, you're in the playoffs. So who cares about the regular season? If only 6 teams made it and the top 2 teams are playing for the bye in the first round than every single game would matter. Now the players have to care. Imagine load management when you're 7th in the league just outside of the playoffs. Every game matters especially out west. The players also have no competitiveness. They just don't care. They try to bribe them with a lot of money if they win the play in tournament and with awards if they play just 80% of the games. Cool but that looks really bad that you have to bribe the players to care. I think the lottery is also a problem. Because of the lottery we have teams stuck in developmental hell for a decade with no way to get out. They made incentives for staying with the team that drafted you which killed free agency. Then they turned around and made it harder to draft good players with the lottery. So how are you supposed to rebuild? If the players don't care, the product on the floor is boring, my team is stuck in development hell, and the games are meaningless, why would I go out of my way to watch the games. The answer to a lot of fans right now seems to be that they just won't.
Implement a 5 second violation instead of 3 seconds and a 3 second offensive violation outside of the 3 point line
If you make 15 3s, after that, there is no 3 pointer. All shots are worth 2.
You can make the 3 point line further from the basket
Implement the 3.5 line and make free throws worth .5
The "problem" is the Celtics are too good. Commendable effort from the GM Office over the last 10 years, they deserve their current situation and the insanely well built roster
How can we stop it? Make a 4 point line? Or get rid of the three?
I for one like the 3 and it just makes a mid range hooper stand out even more since the 3 is being used more (not being sarcastic btw)
Teams are making 36% from three, even more excluding desperation threes. Is that too easy of a shot?
Denver, bucks, LAx2, Boston
All play different style of baseball
They all want to shoot 3pt, but going about it in a different way
i think ther is a little because feels you need to be a 3 point shooter or get traded or go undrafted, it feels like even centers are required to shoot 3's and when i think of center if i owned a team i wouldn't want them anywhere near the outside i want my C inside to rebound offense missed shots and D missed shots
That’s an old school mentality. Centers need to be more ball skilled as time goes on. In 20 years, every starting center will be able to shoot at least 38% from 3 while still being expected to rebound and protect the rim
@@obi3924 i am older but i'll stand with what i say i want my centers inside grabbing rebounds not outside shooting 3's even though that's the way things are going
The NBA has a ton of problems, they've ignored them and now the chickens are coming home to roost. People wanna claim that us talking about it is anti-Celtics bias but a report JUST came out that viewership is way down this year compared to this point of the season last year. Once Lebron, Curry and Durant hang it up it's gonna get ugly. Which brings me to my first problem. There are no definitive new faces of the league. Silver did not prepare for life after those 3 at all now all of them are pushing 40 and the league is still depending on them. As far as on the court, the product is trash. Load management, no defense, players giving half hearted effort, terrible officiating, low fundamentals, blowouts, etc. killed the product. These games are glorified shootarounds at this point. The NBA has to figure out a way to incentivize teams and players to take the regular season more seriously, whether that be rule changes, a shorter season, less teams in the playoffs or something else I'm not thinking of. SOMETHING has to be done or ratings will continue to go down until it's no longer a viable product at all.
Nomal shots is 3 points, threes is 4 points- that is answer- then threes 17% reduced value