Choose One Guitar Modeler...
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2024
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Our friends at Worship Tutorials dropped by our NAMM house and we played a little game called.... "If you could only play one modeler for the rest of your life..."
There is no greater impact on tone than practice.
I remember John Suhr was asked, what's the difference between Nitro and Poly.
He replied, an extra 15 minutes of practise a day. 🙂
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But when recording tracks you need a great tone. Steve Vai doesn't record with a 200-dollar amp!! In production, everything is less subjective. All of us can sit at home and think.. damn, I have a great tone.
Dynamics and articulation come from the hands. Tone comes from gear.
No amount of practice will make a V30 sound like a creamback.
This comment saved my practice routine this morning from mindless UA-cam watching. Thanks for making the world a better place! 🙂
I woulda skipped the dude that was arguing about the reality of the situation....
Listen to the "Sooze" playing the new Kemper Tremelo FX.
There's something addictive about that Kemper distortion, hard to explain!
Line 6 for me. Fantastic customer support and product support. I like my Helix more now than when I bought it 5 years ago.
Still some big things to come I hear too.
I started with Helix and I'm most comfortable with dialing in sounds on the desktop editor for it, however, I've never been disappointed with a pro capture on the Kemper. If I had to pick one only, it's the Kemper. I can waste hours (HAPPILY) dialing Helix stuff rather than playing, or just pick a profile and be happy that someone else put the work in for a killer tone.
I appreciate the clear answers. Most of us will never be able to buy multiple high-end units, so it can be helpful to know the thoughts of people who use all of them.
Glad it helped 👌
Just want to pop in and say I'm encouraged by all the love for Fractal in the comments!
quad cortex , sound , ease of use , footprint on a desk , editor , did i mention sound , friedman be 100
I just have the most faith in line 6 as a company, so it's helix for me.
HW I think I've asked Bradford that same question like 3 times, and he's always given me the noncommittal answer like, "they're so different, everybody needs to decide for themselves". His response to you had me dying because I knew he was gonna try to get out of it lol
I still use my beloved FAS AX8 live! Now I'm also using ToneX Max on an iPhone on my analog pedalboard 😮! Sounds amazing with Brian's 64 Vox AC30TB ToneX captures! I highly recommend it!
So glad i purchased that capture of that amp! Truly amazing tone!
Anyway, great conversation!❤❤❤
I just bought a Purple Helix.... the purple swayed me from the quad cortex lol. Plus it was $200 off at guitar center and came with a bookbag. But I feel like the distortions are a little fizzy. But maybe not, I've spent too much time and lost myself in it a few time's and have to take a break. My biggest problem is that I get lag when I add some effect combinations. I really want to love it because it looks so awesome. But I might have to do the 45 day return. I wish I could somehow try a kemper and cortex though.
QC is my current favorite. Never thought anything would be better than fractal but between the interface, cortex cloud and routing options nothing beats the QC.
I grew up in the 80’s during the shred era, JCM800 era. most of us from that generation as teens were practicing our butts of and wood shedding. We played, we gigged, and I still gig today.
Today I owned and gig with Helix, Kemper profile Stage, Fractal FM9
Either one of these will do. It’s all about work flow. I like them all. It’s the fingers that do all the talking bottom line.
The company that puts dual NAM (stereo) captures into a guitar pedal is going take the amp simulation pedal market. It might be Two-Notes who gets there first based on what we're seeing with Genome and the company's understanding of the importance of stereo for pedalboard integration. Pedal users don't want effects from Neural DSP. They love their Strymon, Evetnide, EHX, TC, Boss, UA, GFI, Meris, Walrus Audio, EQD, JHS, Keeley, Bondi, Chase Bliss, Hologram, etc. The NAM stereo guitar pedal race is on. There are several companies working on getting such a product to market. When they drop, the entire game will change and the entire amp modeling world will be shaken up and the deck will be re-shuffled.
Look out for the Blug Amp X coming hopefully the end of this year!
Tone Master Pro. Its the iPhone of modelers. It gets out of the way and allows me to focus more of my time on practice (Or making UA-cam videos on it lmao)
It is so good. Love it. It is like nobody can say they like it because it is a Fender. It is great.
@@kebotranshaha true. It’s mostly what I talk about. I think it’s wonderful
I've owned most of them besides the headrush units. The QC sounds great, isn't massive, and is pretty easy to use, so that's what I kept. I like the TMP as well but it lacked in a few areas for me.
Quad Cortex for me. But I’ve only tried Helix and QC.
Quad Cortex for me. Learning the Kemper Player now too.
I started with on Helix, graduated to Kemper for years and never thought I'd switch, but now owning a Quad Cortex for a year - QC is overall superior.
I know it’s old hat but I like my Digitech RP500, Rp355 and BP355. The ease of use because of the way they’re laid out is great. I only got them to be an extravagant headphone amp but have used the RP500 in worship with fairly good results. The Lexicon reverbs were a big selling point for me too. The effects sound good.
Loved my old RP355... still have, I should dig it out and take a fresh look..
@@LaurenceRutherford Neat! Good to see people other than me still like and have them. I know the amp models are not like a Helix or really good stuff but I still like these. The ease of use without having to scroll in multiple banks was a major selling point and is why I still use it. My church has had a Helix since 2018 and I still haven’t tried it. I know the minute I do, I’ll want to buy one. 😆
I have read lots about the old Digitech multi fx being very good. I am keen to try them one day m, if I can pick up a decent used one
@@hollywoodactress I think the best series are the RP500, RP1000, RP355, BP 355 (bass version). The one that came out after this series has a tiny window to view plus appears to me to be the type where you have to scroll into different banks just to adjust control settings. That’s why I like my RP500, plus it has a jack for a CD/MP3 player plus Lexicon reverbs. They’re out there,it takes a little hunting. I have the RP200 and BP200 that bought in about 2004 but they’re very primitive by comparison and the reverbs weren’t as good even though there were more selections that I liked like “parking garage” “airport hanger”, stadium/arena, etc. Being user friendly is why I’ve not invested in the real expensive stuff like Helix even though the amp models aren’t as realistic in the Digitech units.
If it had a better amp sharing, it would be Quad Cortex for me. Simplest UI and small form factor for hybrid boards.
FM9 is my goto for stage! I really enjoy the Plini for computer recording. Great discussion
The answer is pretty simple to me it's the Head Rush Prime it has autotune for vocals in case you want to sing plus an extra input in case you want to run a mic into it or a base at the same time and the ability to play tracks from a USB card it literally can be your all-in-one One Man Band set up that said as a guitar player only set up I would go with a tonex pedal running into an HX Stomp
tons of TJ presets/amp captures coming for Headrest Prime soon!
I like this question because a lot of us are not going to be running UA-cam channels where we get paid and are sometimes sponsored to play all of these modelers. For me, I'm looking at getting one of these modelers right now, and whichever one I get will probably be the only one I get for a few years at least.
Kemper for me. I just don’t need elaborate fx and routing that fractal and QC have. I just want a super solid tone that sounds real. I totally get the guys who use more fx liking other units though
Different tools for different jobs generally. But if I had to have only one modeler, then that would be NI Guitar Rig Pro 7, as I need a platform that has the most flexibility in terms of variety of effects, automated parameter control, component stacking, and routing that lends towards creative sound design. Arturia Pigments 5 is getting there though.
Fractal hands down! The most versatility out of any modeler. Definitely a tweaker’s amp. If you haven’t owned one you don’t know. I’ve had my axe fx 3 for 3 years now and I’m still using it full time and I haven’t even scratched the surface of potential.
I spent WAY less time tweaking my FM9 getting a tone that I was happy with. I understand that you can much farther tweaking than I have but my point is I didn't have to spend that much time tweaking to get a good tone that I gig with every week. With the Helix and Kemper I never stopped tweaking as I never really had a tone that I was happy with even after buying a bunch of third party patches. I have purchased zero patches for the Fractal .
Fractal for me. Use to have a kemper and it’s great but can’t get that sameness out of every profile. Fractal is where it’s at
While I appreciate all of your opinions regarding what sounds best....one thing that needs to be taken into consideration for us...the viewers...is budget. Not all of us play at mega churches, not all of us play lead guitar.....some of us are just plucking away, playing rhythm in a small worship team for a small church, while trying to sing as well. I began my digital journey (just to see if it worked) using a Hotone Ampero (the first one) then upgraded to the Ampero Stomp 2. I've experimented with the Simplifier (I know, not digital)..Then I saved up, and traded in a guitar or 2 to get a Helix Floor. Satisfied with my guitartone, I needed a confidence builder for vocals, so I got a Flamma Corrrector....I was lugging A LOT of stuff back and forth from church.
Then the Headrush Core released....guitar AND vocals in one smaller pedal? I was hooked...so I traded the Helix for the Core (I got a guitar in the deal too, so it wasn't THAT bad)...I was happy....or so I thought, until I discovered that teh vocal effects are...well....not so good. I just traded the Core for another guitar, and I'm now using an HX stomp, with the Flamma...
It's been serving me well, but the limitations from what I'm used to in the Floor are obvious...SO....while I'd love to get a QC, or a FM3, etc....Budget won't allow it. Sure I can trade some gear, which I'm trying to do now, to upgrade some things (voicelive would be nice...but again....big)
I'm just happy that none of your said Fender Tonemaster...
Quad cortex every time !
I have The stage, Toaster ,player, FM3, FM9 I can’t use the Player live as I use a lot of morphing so until I get that on that unit it’s a home unit I agree the fractal stuff have the best effects I use all of it live not all at the same time, at different times it depending on the show I have 6 shows in Arizona coming up I’m gonna bring the fractal and the Kemper I love in this day and age we have such great options to pick from I use the FM 3 for fly dates Great show guys.
Fender TMP for me... surprisingly. Never would have thought that it would be my favourite, as a Kemper/Fractal fan.
I’ve had a helix for about 5 years now. I’d like to try some of the other modeler’s. I’ve always felt like the helix is like the economy version of the amp it’s modeling.
Thats marketing imo. The side by sides with other modelers and real amps are so close nobody can tell.
My EVH Stealth, Mesa 4 x 12 with my pedalboard of stomp boxes. My Helix and Headrush collect dust on a shelf.
I thought the Kemper was not a modeler? Doesnt it just have deep/complex IRs?
lol sorry wish there was a summary of what was picked by each member. Started good and then it went into a tangent 😂
Sooze- Kemper, most comfortable/familiar
Bradford- FM9, he used it last
Brian- AxeIII, sounds best
Jon2- QC, small, touch screen
HW - Kemper, duh!
I prefer Modeling over captures. Of course more buttons means better. I wish I could afford an AXE FX 3. I have a Helix floor and I am grateful for it and love it. I do not like Headrush or ToneX.
If the FM9 had a version with 3 more buttons on board, it would be Perfect!!!
Get the FC 6 or 9 to go with it? I have the FM9, and two FC-12’s. But I lip sync too, so 😝🤷🏽♂️
IMHO, Quad Cortex gets the trophy for making the best overall experience and quality. Then, in the end it is about preferences because in terms of sound quality is hard to say which one is best between the QC, Kemper and Fractal.
Nah they got the entire Digital Worship Justice League in one room, it'll be a like for me dawg
Hahah, but which one of us is Wonder woman?
“Worship Justice League”… you win the internet today!😂
😂😂😂
@@ToneJunkieTVBrad
We need the black metal Legion of Doom roundtable now to make the circle complete \m/
I always love Bradford’s responses 😂
Maybe Bradley is a cool dude in person, but he comes off as a real piece of work online.
Names Bradford. Just having fun with my friends too 😉
Totally agree. He can't even answer a simple question.
@@bmitchellmusic speaking of yourself in the third person right now would be 🤣
The Idea that I'm coming to the party at a time where All the flagship digital rigs are several years old, as WE ALL KNOW, electronic tech is advancing daily and a purchase of that magnitude is a big deal to me, I feel like I'm doomed to making a bad choice.
I'd choose the AxeFx III but everytime I'd have to lug it around I would regret that I didn't choose the HxStomp.
😂
For me Tonex. It's got everything I need and combining the unit with my pedalboard is a breeze.
Same here - but I only want great amps....then my pedalboard. Seems a lot of guys want all these effects, etc., built into their modeler, hence choosing the QC, etc. Too much menu diving is a huge deal breaker for me. Just give me a high quality amp collection - I'll do the rest.
Fractal FM9 since it released 🤘🏼👊🏼 It’s amazing
Helix for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sold my Axe FX 2. I get what I need ITB, but I have Tonex, HX Stomp and Eventide H90. Maybe one day I'll get another Fractal.
Bradford got triggered quick 🤣
Bradford needed to play along and come up with an answer and explain it.
But whyyyyy? Why is this game necessary??
Bradford so extra, just answer the question fooo 🤣🤣🤣
Kemper all day and twice on Sunday! Seriously great interface and great features. Plus it has the longest profiles cause it’s been out forever.
Line 6 Helix: Hey remember me, people used to talk about me, the next best thing after Zoom 505 😉
Line 6 Spider: Yeah right, hold my 🍺
Fractal! FM3 cause I dont really need more than that.
It’s funny how they have to think about it. Most of us live this reality.
Mesa boogie studio preamp always.
I actually, had to do this for real, for finance reasons once. I chose the Axe FX, sold the others.
Zoom G11 is good unit - it comes with terrible presets but easy to customise
What world?... Let's brainstorm: You might not be able to justify a collection of redundant modeling equipment to your family... You might only have the money for one thing that you have to live with and you might not have access to markets to flip it if it doesn't work out... You might have a job that requires a lot of traveling and your time at what we consider a home is effectively zero, so you have to pick something and travel with it and live with it... HW could put cameras in your house and make sure that you never betray the covenant... I'm just spit balling
Macbook with Neural DSP plugins
There’s always that one guy…
Capture tech sucks unless you were playing just one genre of music with one amp setting. Quality amp modeling allows you to adjust the amp in a similar manner with similar response to the original. A capture, does not allow you to do the same adjustment, because you will no longer alter the tone in the way the amp would do, by definition it is a snapshot in time.
True, but the tone is for real! ToneX Max is amazing on iPhone/iPad! I'm using it live on my analog pedalboard at church! worship
Чё в итоге выбрали то?
Can this dude just answer what a joke
I love the Kemper, but the fact that you can't have/recreate 2 Amps running at the same time kills it for me.
yes 2 Kempers, or Kemper Player ;-)
Tonemaster for me.
Shame Boss never gets a mention in many of the modelling discussions the new stuff is very good... a GX100 is a third of the price of a the high end stuff and sounds great.
Right? I have the headrush core and a kemper player. The boss gt 1000 is right there with the kemper player for me.
Need to try the Boss stuff
What’s with all the beards? Are you all metalz dudez, and one worship guy?😊
Lol😂 Brian is the clean cut rocker! All the other dudes like Duck dynasty 🙄 😅
Axe-FX 3... Simple. been using Fractal's since 2007, and never felt the need to look anywhere else. And its "multi function" as its also my outboard FX unit for my analogue synths.....
Boss gt 1000. Best latency and feel of anything here. It's IR capture and modelling based..
there can be one god, but not one modeler
because "one modeler" is not real
thanks for the giggle ;)
HR Core for under $1000
Top Kemper!!!! Top bluguitar amp x Thomas oh yeah stop !
I wonder what Fender is doing right now. TMP is in a place where they could possibly completely fall off.
That's why I didn't buy one.
@@TheBbtlegit I did and I like it. Have a Helix as well. I just wish Fender would let people know what might be coming. Not thrilled with the silence.
For Me, I go back and forth between kemper and fm9. Both units are very versatile and work well and both have strengths over the other unit. I do find the work flow on stage a bit more challenging than the head on kemper. Toaster can accomplish nearly anything easily from the front of the unit and I would utilize a hybrid of the editor and the unit. The stage shows the weakness in the editor since the unit is kept on the floor. Likewise the fractal editor is awesome but adjusting on the unit itself is much more difficult. I would say they both have advantages in tones in different areas as well also.
Pluto didn’t come off at all well beefing about the question like that. I’d hate to play Twister with him
Calling me Pluto? Huh? I wouldn’t play Twister with you. No reason to be rude. Having fun here, flowers.
@@bmitchellmusic I’m just having fun too Brad. Watch your channel a lot. Sorry I offended you
Playing twister with Bradford is the definition of a good time
@@worshiptutorials Hahaha OK
My choice, The Kemper, it has it's own sound it's own vibe and it sounds soooo good.
I totally understand the love for Fractal, but their price point is far too high for most guitarists. I could buy a Kemper toaster and a Helix for the price of a Fractal Axe-FX III
It’s hard to go wrong with a Kemper or a Helix…and a bit more attainable for the regular guitarists out there.
i appreciate these dudes getting together and discussing the topic, but realistically its kinda goofy these days....they are all basically more than adequate. but it's like hearing nerds talk about their fantasy sport pool, means absolutely nothing lol
Anyone not saying that fractal is the best is wrong lol
Alright look, it had been a long few days for me. My brain was toast (and no, I wasn’t on anything of any kind 😏).
My understanding was I had to choose an all-in-one unit. Either way, I dont make decisions like this cause I’m always using different options to test out new products. I guess I like how great ToneX is. But QC isn’t far behind at all and is way easier to get up and running. So I still dont know 😂
I didnt diss anyone’s product of choice and I’m still getting flack too 😂 HW, I am Sweden and your peeps don’t like me.
I still like you Bradford… 🫶
“Don’t let them bully you, son!”
Kemper of course. Because it would continue to get updates.
Fractal kills at updates also. Maybe even more.
@@thesoozeTJ great to hear. Does that include the older hardware revisions that are more than 10 years old? I genuinely don't know. Just curious.
@@NikolajChristensen that I'm not sure of.
Kemper because I love the tone and the development team.
I just got the kemper player yesterday. Within 5 minutes of playing on it, it’s already made me decide to send back my headrush core. Kemper player is that good and the headrush is that bad.
Fractal killed every modeller out there with the latest firmware! Fm9 feels like I bought new gear!
The answer is quad cortex lol did he seriously say axe fx 3? Man I just don't know it sounds so thin and fake.
TMP is slept on. Already better than helix. . More potential and resources than any other company
I find it hilarious to hear "Axe editor is best in class", when the most effective comparative features that drive users from Fractal to Helix are price and editor. HX Edit and the Helix interface drove the visual design of Fender and QC.
Kemper to rule them all!
I just got inspired to start playing
Pagan Worship Guitar
Thanks guys
Fractal, no doubt.
i'll stay with my Harley Benton and my GP-100 ¯\_(°°)_/¯
Tone x and hx fx combo for me
Solid!
Best combo. Love it. Had Kemper, Line6 Pod Go, Fractal AX8 before... All can sound great, but Tonex with HX FX sounds and feels great and ist easy to tweak. Even on the fly!
Axefx
Nothing beats Fractal Axe fx 3
I mean yeah, something that costs almost twice as the alternatives better be twice as good…
@@hectorsantander4756 The FM9 beat all competitors also.
Kemper!!
Helix
FM3!