What do you think was the most important factor that created problems for Payday 2 on Consoles? Let me know! Thanks to ButteredTV for being a $5 patron!
I would say the money issues combined with the already bad engine and the fact that console and PC aren't similar at all for updates has lead to overkill making this big content gap.
The things that killed console version was star vr and TWD . I understand not giving console updates that are free but I do believe if they gave us tailor packs and silk road as a package for £20 9r something we'd buy it . I've had a bit of a harsh opinion over the years and yes I've soured on how things went down but to hear that pc has optimisation issues is just like wow. I hope the modding community make unofficial patches to fix the frame drops . For console we don't need the safehouse just need to give console a swan song one last thing to say sorry guts for how things turned out. Even if it's just outfits and weapon skins I'll take that . Heist don't really offer anything unique most are bag simulators tbf. I've been with pd2 since 2013 so 7 years . And I've enjoyed it but I do think it's time to move on and work on pd3 If they got it out for xsx or ps5 that's be awesome or even maybe ps4 xone as a sorry who knows . The future will be brighter with unreal 4 . Soo many good games are using unreal. I think a point missed is that console were frustrated with lack of content not just to say we had everything pc did. We were working hard to try keep the community going so that other new players would join in the fun. Not every thing can be a success sometimes to succeed you have to fall over . :)
Yeah, I can easily do any of the missions on console, but any of the PC exclusives are just too new for me. And shacklethorn auction heist, my frames absolutely melt away from the rain.
Making something vr compatible Is just add a new cam and make the controllers compatible (and tying the arms to them) Making something console compatible requires practically recoding the entire game
Honestly, if they just add the event items, and the raid ww2 weapon pack and suit and glove customization then they would basically complete the game for most BECAUSE GLOVES AND SUIT MATTER DAMMIT.
We really need those But it would be nice to see all the content but the engine while on console would be like *_"WHY THE FUCK IS THERE SO MUCH SHIT I CAN'T FUCKIN' RUUUN!!!"_*
That plus how every difficulty above very hard is near impossible on console or without full perks skills and weapon boosts I honestly wonder why I keep trying
@@fonfon575 uhhhhhh.... They made most of their money from scamming consoles users multiple times over. Have pc users bought payday 2 - 3 times? Didn't think so. In fact most pc users for payday 2 got the game for free.
Now I just feel cheated I can’t get a pc or know how to play on pc I’ve only had consoles and not to mention I have no way to play pc because I’m broke and most games I want to play are all on pc well even if I was to keep playing on console I got no one to play with anyway and I only got back into payday because of quarantine an I love the game it’s depressing to know that I’m basically playing a shell of a game...now I understand why my friends won’t buy the game for 5 dollars to play with me I just regret pre ordering the console version and they will probably forget about it
It seems Overkill dug themselves a hole before they even released Payday, by putting it on the worst game engine possible for their game. And they just dug deeper as the years went on
It's because they didn't have the time nor the resources to chose a different engine during the development of Payday 2 which was 2011-2013 they simply didn't have the time to learn a new engine and they were running low on cash when the development of Payday 2 started so they didn't have the money to purchase a license to a new engine so they stuck with what they knew and already had which was Diesel.
@@thetrashmann8140 pretty amazing that they managed to do a game like payday 2 with an engine as shit as diesel, tbh, i'm honestly hyped for what overkill will do with unreal. the walking dead's kinda weird, tho, they started using the valhalla engine to develop it, but they ditched it for being shit, alongside nearly every asset in favour of unreal, by the time they did that, they had like 10 months of development left. at least it looked good.
@@bit_ronic That's no entirely true. They started on Diesel, but Developers argued, that they need a better engine to make the game. So higher ups bought the rights to the "Valhalla Engine", which acording to an anonymous developer, wasn't even a game engine, but a renderer for web sites. So they begged for a real engine, which was UE4. Problem was, they already moved the release back 2 times and the investors were angry, so OVERKILL needed to make a game during crunch time of 1 year. No wonder the end result was shit.
I’m just hoping that whenever Payday 3 comes out, that they’re managed better on the PS5 and Xbox Series X (seriously Microsoft, your naming conventions...). As much as I love this game, they REALLY dropped the ball.
They did still add a LOT of content! But I do agree. Things could have been handled far better, although as we know now, it wasn't just a case of negligence...
Red Archer Live Oh, I know most of the problems(before the whole Near Bankruptcy issue) were due to the fact Diesel is... it’s an engine, thats about the end of the good things I can say about it. The fact that Payday 3 is being made on a significantly better engine (one that people understand how to port no less) is a good sign
Which is all fine and dandy, problem though is that is all their fault because they should of been on the ball with updates to begin with. So the fact they have a bunch of unreleased content they will get 0 compensation for is completely a fuck up of their own design.
The fact they even thought of going free-forever is honestly just amazing, not many companies would even consider that so the fact they did it until they almost crashed is even more of a reason for us to love them, they aren't like BHVR with their NFT's or EA with their microtransactions, they were upfront saying "we messed up we are gonna burn if we dont break our promise" and for that i give them mad respect, i understand the console issues and of course as a console player its sad i wont get new stuff but if they change this when Payday 3 releases it will be worth it im sure, they're a good company and i trust them to do the best for the community even if it is to sacrifice the few so that one day we can all experience a game so fantastic that Payday 2 will be a mere stepping stone to our heisting futures, i am willing to give them time to get the ball rolling, they are honest, driven and great people, they made an amazing game and even in the hardest of times didnt push the community into the pit to save themselves, i will be there all the way i can make that a certainty, i dont mind spending money on DLC's its normal to do so, just do your best on Payday 3 and make it great for all of us.
Finally someone mentioned it as weird as it is weapon skins on console would refresh the game for me it’s very boring looking at the same gun like a 100 times
GO Bank is tied up by licensing issues with Valve, since it's based on a CS:GO map. Almir said the heist would be added if they ever gained permission, but since that tweet was about 4 years ago and we've heard nothing since, I don't imagine that heist will ever be on Consoles :/
Actually, I think most heists can be ported to consoles but it's just a time waster, I mean look at games like gta, Minecraft, cod, they all have massive content updates and stuff and they run fine.
Disappointing me and my mates picked up payday on the PS4 and it’s a good game I’m not sure how much content is missing though but it sucks it’s not been supported
There's not a GREAT deal missing at this point to be honest. The vast majority of stuff has been added, it's just some of the missing items are very popular and heavily requested :/
Thanks for responding to me and love the channel I don’t know if you have a contact in overkill but the dlc pack crimewave collection is missing on the Australian PlayStation store
Duke Thadon that’s no lie 😂 I honestly don’t it’s so much of a money issue is mostly cause they let console versions just sit there and die out that they can’t really blame players aren’t buying stuff cause who’s gonna player a multiplayer game when multiplayer is so buggy 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂
Technically they already are. He said it himself they are working on it already and the team is already small af. Like bruh how are they suppose to make a proper game with the same size they just slipped up with payday 2 over? These guys don't learn at overkill they just keep fuckin up
@@MiiMagus93, not a matter of size, team size is another risk/reward variable, a bigger team CAN achieve objectives faster, but it also raises expenses, increase risk of human failure into the mix (a project with many inside each area raises chances of someone slipping and causing delays on every other front) and can create further delays from the sheer personel size. A smaller team, on the Overkill team size, isn't anything impressive, better than 99% of any Indie studio for sure, but it's safer to assume they know each other better, so delays from miscommunication or human mistakes shouldn't happen (if they still do, it's lack of team wide cooperation, which imo isn't the issue, rather it was the administration that sucked ass) so often. If they use an engine that's not a spaghetti code mess (Source, Bugthesda engine, DIESEL engine...), Get their programmers acquainted with it and other related areas as well (3D, level/map design...), I don't see them having any big issue
easy solution, don't buy it for 3/4ths a year or so. make sure it's a worthwhile game and read reviews long after the game's been released. I got tired of the wall of bugs on PD2:CWE, so you can bet I'm not spending a dime until I make sure the game isn't busted to hell.
Well... you have the explanation why the situation right now is shitty: staff, money. That doesn‘t explain why they have been ignoring consoles before shit hit the fan. You said it yourself: pd2 was a huge success at the beginning, still consoles were ignored like the „you gotta be 18 or older“ warning on porn sites. I kinda fear they will have the audacity to re-release it again on ps5/x-box. I hope for them they won‘t, since the shitstorm would be massive.
Here’s a little story called overkill and how they killed their game on console see you get a tiny bit of tax evasion and a bunch of laziness you mix it together and you get overkill’s recipe of payday 2 for consoles
Honestly I don’t really care about the new heist cause all the heist in console are the ones I play anyway besides the White House that’s the only one I’d want but we should at least get new guns or customization options like gun skins and outfits. If they do give up on consoles completely oh well I guess they’ll just have to win me over somehow with payday 3 but I’m not giving them any excuses this time🤷♂️
I’m going to be honest. I think another big underlying issue that explains basically every negative aspect of payday 2 is: I genuinely believe Overkill didn’t expect this game to be as popular as it is. You can tell with how much they’ve added overtime, looking at where it began to where it is now, it really was a small creation that grew into one of the best games I’ve had the pleasure of watching grow over the years. I remember when it dropped barebones, and now it’s just a behemoth. Hopefully they are able pull through.
If they won't update consoles, then give us something like a PC key for Payday 2 or maybe some sort of discount for Payday 3 because this kind of mismanagement is disgraceful.
Love how red archer only pays attention to the positive compliments about the company anytime somebody says something that is blunt or critical we just don't exist lmfao😂😂😂
@@MiiMagus93 I mean I understand why. He is a partner so it wouldn't make sense to bad mouth then but it's hard to not notice the struggles the consoles deal with in pd. It's to the point were I haven't touched pd in almost 2 years.
@@RedReaper3645 that's what I'm saying though it's gotten to the point though man where people have just straight up abandoned the game and I can't blame players for doing so the handling thus far on these issues have been very piss poor catch my drift?
The free content promise was one of those things that you're glad was broken. It's evil when a company that already has massive amounts of money breaks such a promise.
What went wrong? Everything...... plus they don’t seem to give to much of a shit to keep it updated, if I get one more bag glitch out that I can’t get it off of me, players disconnect and npcs lagging so the host can see them but others can’t causing the heist to fail silent and go loud I’m gonna smash my disc like a dozer smashes through my armor
The accuracy of this comment i swear i feel your pain so many damn glitches on the game plus lack of content is undeniably gross. The guys over at overkill are incompetent as shit.
@@MiiMagus93 yeah but, any bug patches or anything, it's a time waster again, the time they spent fixing a minor inconvenience on glitches on consoles, they could've added a new gun to payday 3 or something. That's why there isn't a point, yes fixing the bug will be great but it's not like their gonna gain anything from it, ppl arnet quitting payday over it so it's not urgent to them, it's probably the last on their priorities list. Think of it this way, say like a game had tons of players on it and they enjoyed the game, but the company is expected to make a new better version of their game in a few years, they wouldn't focus on minor bugs on the last game, I mean if their not quitting the game over it, it shouldn't be the main focus to patch every inconvient bug, the main focus should be the new game, otherwise the new game may have bugs or something like that
@@Bedic-Mag i feel like if you have to choose between either or at that point you shouldn't be worrying about choosing those two options as a dev team. At that point they should be worrying about the fact that their team can't handle such things. Most game companies don't slack this much just in general. They need a better team for handling different jazz like that regarding bugs. Neglecting that just because you want to work on the next title yet you just admitted you're in no shape to be tackling such objectives anyhow? It seems team is just mismanaged and don't prioritize properly lol.
My dlc got taken away from me even though i brought crimewave Oh and not to mention one time all my progress was erased I made my own skill trees and was infamy level twenty five
That music in the background when he is wrapping up it is like console players walking away and expecting that payday 2 for console will not catch up to PC ever or for a long time
I wouldnt mind if they don't update consoles , even tho Ive got a Playstation myself. Let em focus on the new game and let em get back on track. And hopefully they'll make an awesome game.
While they should be focusing on payday 3, I think maybe they could do the bare minimum and add small things that won't take much time but make at least some change. The raid weapon pack and suit customisation and gloves
Like I've said in every video related to consoles on your channel. It's over. Many of us aren't expecting much from them anymore. Sadly this WILL hurt them badly for pd3 on consoles. In my opinion they need to hand off the rights to a company that can actually do their jobs and isn't a mess 99% of the time. You keep mentioning over and over about them getting money for pd3. great it'll happen again on console. I will bet the first few DLCs will be equal then it'll be pd2 all over again. Payday on console ended it sucks but it's the truth.
@Apparently _Salty I don't have alot of faith. Sorry. This company stabbed the consoles in the back and watched them bleed. They say they care about us but they don't and it showed. I don't care if they say it's more expensive to get content on consoles. The console community is still a large community to look at and they failed heavily. I hate saying it because believe it or not I enjoyed the shit out of pd when it was on ps3 then ps4 and I slowly noticed they kinda gave a big 🖕 to all of us. PD3 NEEDS to be heavily looked geared to the console players, without pissing off the pc community, obveously,, and show that they still actually give a shit about us. Most likely I won't get pd3 on the spot I'll wait a few months shit maybe a year or so and see how we are treated before jumping in and investing in this company again.
@@muchojuicy4027 lmfao who cares if it was difficult for them their devs and they released a game for console and as the devs you are excepted to make sure the game is worth it to the player base. If they weren't expecting to either do well or excepted the game to die out quickly they wouldn't have released it to consoles. They did. I'm not going to side with a company who didn't care about console players and if you are a console player you shouldn't be on their side at all and should understand why we are pissed off. If you aren't well you're lucky they love you more then.
I have hopes for Payday 3, with the new engine thats easier to work in and the backlash they had from the console community along with the learning moments they had through Payday2, I hope this can all come together for a great new title. Im a tad worried because of the failure of TWD game, but they are pretty proficient in their Payday world and the fanbase is pretty loyal overall.
I just hope that when the company is in a better place they will care to come back and add those heist or in the very least add all these heists to payday 3 like they did with payday the heist
Honestly I love payday 2 and I have been playing it on the Xbox one and it has so much potential and when people started disappearing I got worried and confused and I didn't want the game to die I wanted it to prosper and make people happy and play it nonstop and I'm doing my part and trying to see if my friends want to give the game a shot
Wow last time I was this early seabreeze/overkill we’re still updating and adding DLC content packs two consuls... Yes I made my first ever this last time I was this early joke no but besides that yeah I do agree with everything that you said in this video really really good information and thank you for putting the time and dedication for us Consol players you sir are the best in the whole entire world and in the payday community.
Hey man sometimes you’re just too lazy to spell and you just decide to use text to speech even though it’s a bad idea because you have a speech impediment but you still do it anyways because fuck it lol.
i got mad because i bought the crimewave edition on console and found out that the content was only being released on pc :( i hope they get out of their debts soon and keep the console version alive, i mean i still have scarface but only on ps4! i hope they do well soon and dont leave the console behind when payday 3 and their debts go out
Great video dude, like seriously I can see you put time and effort into it, just one thing I wanted to clear up, Grin wasnt a company owned by Overkill, Overkill was merely the successor, Grin was a company established in 1997 by Bo an Ulf Andersson, and to be honest the whole story of Grin going bankrupt is worth a whole new conversation, but again, loved the video altogether, and I can see how you overlooked Grin's history, it's not exactly a popular one
Most smaller devs can’t do console to save their lives, is something I tend to see a lot, but some can manage but yea it must suck to play a version of a game that has less content than the pc version, and worse if they all of a sudden stop updating that version of the game
"Consoles can t handle the new safehouse,even in the best pc it runs badly" and still in my shitass laptop runs perfectly even with safeswarming D.S . 😐
It's hard to believe that the engine was so poorly optimized for consoles that it has issues running a game with ps2 era graphics yet massive open world games like rdr2 run fine
Been playing console since 2013 on 360, I've been through all of it and dreading the pc player base I have turned into one of those pc players over the past year, I still miss the console players but pc is ahead so I had to change
I hope that for Pay day 3 they can really refine console controls. It really bugs me how crappy it feels to play with a controller compared to a keyboard. A lot of shooters have really great controls for console but it seems like payday is just meant for a keyboard
I remember buying a 360 copy of payday 2 at a booth that was selling games in Comic Con after playing the trial for hours. Then years later I got Crimewave edition and realized how much more content it had, then I saw what PC had and I wanted to get it on PC but I don't have a PC currently. I just wish that we had the safehouse feature but I do understand that they just aren't able to do this currently. I hope that they don't leave payday 2 on consoles to just die and come back to it eventually.
Pc heists are extremely unoptimized and badly designed. Trust me, the heists on console are all you need, there is no fun facing 50+ cops being thrown in front of your face.
@@harolrvez7124 Well thats good to know, thanks for telling me. Now I guess I just want the safehouse feature, the new weapons/weapon customization on console. These are the things that I mostly wish to have but some heist optimization for PC and possibly for console if it gets new updates. (Sorry for basically writing a paragraph)
I honestly would love to see the missing heists and that's it That's all I would want to be truely happy But I understand we cannot get them But I would love to see the remaining masks weapons and the suit customization option
the sheer scale of that framerate drop you showed in the clip of first world actually made me bust out laughing, i had no clue this game was that demanding. i havent played it a ton since 2016, so my logic was always, "its a game from 2013, theres no way it can be hard to run." boy was I wrong lol
On console you can’t legitimately get the difficulty skulls I had to buy all the way up to death wish because that’s the highest difficulty I completed all heists on solo
When Payday 3’s trailers or news comes later, not sure if i’d buy it because i dont want these same issues of lacking updates to happen again im afraid :/
@@MiiMagus93 buy the game, if u do ur giving overkill the money they need to keep going, they already have issues and they know they can't slip up or else it's bye bye for them, it's gonna be much easier to port content, it's not that it can't run on consoles it's that it's too much to do, they bearly have any cash and they can't waste anymore time on stuff they know they won't need, they need every bit of cash they can get, if the sales on console isn't good, they might lose motivation as they're wasting time on consoles, ur gonna be the reason console won't get updates, ur just lying u know u will buy it lol. Stop saying their lazy etc, ur not a dev, u haven't done any code probably, they've tried their best just to be called lazy
On console we have kinda had half updates. We got joy who is from the icebreaker updates but we don't have shacklethorn auction. We have the fedora from Aldstones Heritage but we don't have the weapons.
If I could, I would volunteer to help port some things to consoles, and ask for a one-time pay for when I'm done. Sadly, I don't have the knowledge yet, but hopefully I shall in the future after college.
I Hope payday 3 on consoles have ALL updates at least for the main story line,like payday 2 crime wave Edition doens't even reservoir dogs but It has Brooklyn bank
Im fairly happy with whats on console but i will probably move to PC when payday 3 comes out. I don’t think i can be bothered seeing people get so much more content a second/ third time
I was a big fan back in the day. I was a ps4 heister. With lack of content I unfortunately had to leave and move on to other games. But I managed to grab the platinum before i left
Nobody: 80% players that only plays for the hell of it: wHeRe's CoNsoLe UpDate? 20% of payday community that still support the game: DON'T LET THE FLAME DIE OUT
I just hope that once payday 3 is released they go back and give console players the rest of the content. :/ (Note not all of the content just some more)
That will not happen, sorry but they are a company, they don't care about your feelings, they need to make profit. And using their resources on an old game that runs on a different engine, isn't exactly the best thing to do for them. By that point pd2 players would already move on to pd3, so pd2 would likely be dead by the time pd3 releases. So there is no real point to update it.
Now I just feel cheated I can’t get a pc or know how to play on pc I’ve only had consoles and not to mention I have no way to play pc because I’m broke and most games I want to play are all on pc well even if I was to keep playing on console I got no one to play with anyway and I only got back into payday because of quarantine an I love the game it’s depressing to know that I’m basically playing a shell of a game...now I understand why my friends won’t buy the game for 5 dollars to play with me I just regret pre ordering the console version
Oh well, I know the feeling honestly. Though Overkill (or whatever the company/etc is) possibly won't get a new update for the console nor DLCs. It is quite sad that the priority is for the PC. Sure, there are many PC gamers and all, but still, there are also quite the numerous console gamers/players.
I really hate overkill for this. It's hella hard to solo stealth Big Oil when they get alerted by the lab door being opened. But in the pc version they don't.
Ha I think I'm 73 right now, it's such a confusing community to walk into with the love/hate relationship with Overkill and story that I'm not entirely sure is available on console. Along with the community starting to age and die away slowly. Still going pretty strong though
He just said around 17:39 that most of the people on the team have been doing nothing but working on payday 3. Then people wonder why consoles never getting anymore attempts for the rest of payday 2 content jesus overkill should've prioritized this a long time ago for real. They were putting it off for the longest even when it came to next gen. And if diesel was such a shit engine why run it?! That's the thing about overkill they never used their brains when making this game it's like halfway into running this sinking titanic of a game they thought yep this'll be great we'll just abandon ship and let half our fans be fucked and only pay attention to pc. Bruh you simply can't do that, that's rookie type of mistakes as far as entertainment purposes go. I dont even really want to get payday 3 now cuz it's just going to end up the same way as payday 2 did regardless of the new engine or not. If they couldn't care enough now what would give them the drive in the future. Wasted potential and possibility if you ask me, plus it seems like Red Archer only excuses their mistakes and lapses in judgement. Bro we get it, it's one of your fav games but c'mon -_-
Because it made sense to use Diesel in 2013, when Payday 2 first came out. Four reasons: 1. Unreal Engine 4 wasn't even a thing when Payday 2 came out in 2013; 2014 was when licences for UE4 were first available. Because of that, it's not fair to compare Diesel to UE4. 2. Comparing its predecessor, Unreal Engine 3, to Diesel, the two stack up a lot more evenly than you might think - especially since Overkill upgraded it specifically for Payday 2. 3. Overkill was more familiar with Diesel because - well, you know - they basically created it. Because of that, any advantages UE3 might've held were nullified because of the effort it'd take to have to learn how to use it as opposed to just using Diesel again, which they already knew the ins and outs of. Think of it like you would trying to learn a "more sensible and efficient" keyboard layout than QWERTY - if you're already so used to the less efficient system to the point where the difference is barely noticeable, why spend all that time unlearning and then learning a new system? 4. Overkill owned Diesel, so they didn't have to pay a licencing fee to use it - which they would've had to if they used UE3, since it's owned by Epic Games. That said, I understand completely why you're mad about getting shafted as a console player, and I'm not asking you to forgive Overkill for it - I just wanted to point out why they made this seemingly-bizarre choice in particular.
@@MadWatcher can't tell if you're talking about the guy that commented to the other reply or my comment in particular. Either way sorry for replying late lol. Life happens and plus my youtube notifs didn't even let me know people responded to me lmao
@@mr.wankpants4341 I know you've probably been told this but yes, they do own the Diesel engine and when Grin went bankrupt Bo & Ulf managed to drag the engine along with them hence how they own the engine.
Another thing to point out is that the console versions are mostly the game with added bundles (like the Crimewave edition) and I had wanted and thought if the recent updates, DLC's, and game fixes will come to console, but now I understand why they had some problems with console versions.
As one of the launch day Payday 2 Xbox 360 players, this has probably been the most realistic understanding of what's going on. For the "content bursting at the seams" this is literally the EXACT reason why Borderlands 2 had to wrap it up, way back in the day. You can do the research, there's loads of articles where if there's too much "load" in the game, it basically wants to off itself and we are seeing the same situation. What exasterbates the issue is the limitations between PC and Console of this regard. This is why Minecraft is near infinite on a potato of a rig and why a 360 MUST limit its space (and I think the same happened to the One). Nonetheless, I think the popularity of the game superceded expectations and this wasn't a natural "oh a heist game looks good". Back in the backend of the halcyon of Let's Play content (you know when Red vs. Blue was more funny versus plot heavy) we saw a huge spike in interest thanks to content creators like The Creatures. There's a reason why there's the Nova shank and I'd be a firm believer that a sizable percentage of people who bought the game were dogpiling off the culture, memes, and information spewing from that old content. RussianBadger as well is kicking a sizable PC oriented audience BACK into the game over the past year. With all of this in mind, you have (granted) an incredible spike in finances, but now with Red Archer's info on their blunders... the fact is simple... that CEO basically bogged the tracks on all of this. When you introduce a massive "flash" income the dumbest decision (and sadly often case) is to expend it on things that are THOUGHT to keep the ball rolling. Sorry for the TED talk but, there's bound to be more folks coming to this, as Payday 3 ramps up and I want to say: I've bitched at Overkill/Starbreeze too. Been there, done it and I sympathize for the plight. But now that I bought a PC, got back into things... after two years of playing here? YEAH...THIS is the right info.
I'm calling it. When the series X and ps5 drop there gonna release a MASSIVE update for console like there holding back bc there making PC dlcs work with console
Sucks so much because people like me cant afford a pc or even have a room for a pc(i sleep on the couch) and console is all we can really do and i hope they do begin to add more stuff or atleast show a little bit more attention to console versions
Damn, I was under the impression they ditched console updates entirely forever ago. I guess it's worse that people actually wait forever for something to come to consoles, because it does get content sometimes.
crashed a few times on PC but that doesn't stop me, to be honest first time I discovered Payday was from my cousin's Xbox, felt pretty much same when I transitioned to PC version but that's just me, I just hope there will be the day where we can play cross platform or have cross platform account so I can play with my friend that is playing on console
Yeah you get double the fps with good hardware and a standard monitor 60hz in america and 59hz in europe yeah it's way better and you can get 144hz or 120hz idk look around the market.
I played PayDay 2 on console until last month, when I finally bought it on PC, but I have to say, I loved PayDay 2! I only bought it again because of my love for it!
3:00 Well we did get a free mask on 360 but that was it along with one last bug fix that got ride of the invincibility bug and making dominating guards have a limit which made framing frame harder because you couldn’t just remove all the guards.
What do you think was the most important factor that created problems for Payday 2 on Consoles? Let me know!
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Probably the money issue tbf If I could I would donate some of my own money to help
Probably the money issue combined with the fact that while Overkill were in a messy situation Corona just came in to make things worse
Money and engine
I would say the money issues combined with the already bad engine and the fact that console and PC aren't similar at all for updates has lead to overkill making this big content gap.
The things that killed console version was star vr and TWD .
I understand not giving console updates that are free but I do believe if they gave us tailor packs and silk road as a package for £20 9r something we'd buy it .
I've had a bit of a harsh opinion over the years and yes I've soured on how things went down but to hear that pc has optimisation issues is just like wow. I hope the modding community make unofficial patches to fix the frame drops .
For console we don't need the safehouse just need to give console a swan song one last thing to say sorry guts for how things turned out.
Even if it's just outfits and weapon skins I'll take that . Heist don't really offer anything unique most are bag simulators tbf.
I've been with pd2 since 2013 so 7 years . And I've enjoyed it but I do think it's time to move on and work on pd3
If they got it out for xsx or ps5 that's be awesome or even maybe ps4 xone as a sorry who knows .
The future will be brighter with unreal 4 . Soo many good games are using unreal.
I think a point missed is that console were frustrated with lack of content not just to say we had everything pc did. We were working hard to try keep the community going so that other new players would join in the fun.
Not every thing can be a success sometimes to succeed you have to fall over . :)
Gotta love how Consoles have Brooklyn Bank but not reservoir dogs so we start to save Bain before he’s even been taken lol
my first 2 years playing payday 2 was on xbox 360
@@gameslie9049 ok
Gameslie Not related to the topic
@@gameslie9049 unable to find who asked
@@gameslie9049 Woah wow cool
I never knew how advanced pc was in comparison to the consoles, then I started to see build videos and noticed "hey wtf this dlc/gun doesnt exist"
Yeah like colored guns is a mod but perfectly compatible with pc payday
Yeah, I can easily do any of the missions on console, but any of the PC exclusives are just too new for me.
And shacklethorn auction heist, my frames absolutely melt away from the rain.
I played payday 2 for the first time when i found it on PSnow and I was extremely disappointed that there was no comically large spoon of gold
@@godricktheminecrafted3113 i think you can only get it if you took part in the community event
@@mitchellmiller6644 no, you can still get it, you have to kill 100 people with the inferior spoon
“What went wrong?” Well, this story all starts with something called ‘tax evasion’
You Evade the tax-
*You Get Waxed.*
Lol, more like insider trading🤣🤣🤣
That is my discord pfp
I’d like to tell a story of how I became a tax evader in a town called Bel Air
"They bought it. Let's fix their leaks."
Overkill: it's not easy to convert pc updates to console
Also overkill:*makes the game compatible with vr*
That didn't require rebuilding of any content, just adding compatibility with a headset. I get your point, but it's totally different
@@RedArcherLive i guessed so, just wanted to make a joke
I don't think it happens anymore, but the developer having to pay to update the game does suck and doesn't entice in supporting the port.
Making something vr compatible Is just add a new cam and make the controllers compatible (and tying the arms to them)
Making something console compatible requires practically recoding the entire game
@Recruit yes, but they have to recode every bit of content they push out to any different console
It feels like tf2 all over again
Only difference is payday has gotten an update in the last 1000 days
You might as well include all of Valve games. TF2, Left 4 Dead 2 and CSGO. Those games are a complete ghost town compared to PC.
TF2 on PS3 is still fun when it works.
Yeah
TF2 on console is the only time it's community is right when they say the game's dead.
Having a console advocate is fantastic, we normally don’t get shit.
I see youre a ps4 player
Sebastian Rugina yes sir
When ps4 gets even less than xbox in terms of mod supports and overall game support
Lol pc players normally just give us shit for wanting to play videogames without learning to disarm a nuclear bomb
I'm so sorry for your loss. I recomend the PC version though its pretty good
Finally someone’s is addressing this issue
I mean people have been complaining a while ago..
People have been talking about this for years
@@Johvh yeah but pepole didn't care and there are still pepole that don't care but I mean it's nice that pepole are still talking about this
Yea
@@dk_2u232 still don't care.
Honestly, if they just add the event items, and the raid ww2 weapon pack and suit and glove customization then they would basically complete the game for most BECAUSE GLOVES AND SUIT MATTER DAMMIT.
Damn man everthing i want is the galant and the game is complete for me
@Maria das graças Gouvea: same
We really need those
But it would be nice to see all the content but the engine while on console would be like
*_"WHY THE FUCK IS THERE SO MUCH SHIT I CAN'T FUCKIN' RUUUN!!!"_*
Wait.....the ww2 weapons arent on console? Ive been trying to get it for nearly 2 days...mm
That plus how every difficulty above very hard is near impossible on console or without full perks skills and weapon boosts I honestly wonder why I keep trying
I really hope that overkill and starbrezz gets the money to update console players someday
I think they’ll get the money to do it when payday 3 comes out, but I dont think they will since that money will be used for PD3
@@fonfon575 uhhhhhh.... They made most of their money from scamming consoles users multiple times over. Have pc users bought payday 2 - 3 times? Didn't think so.
In fact most pc users for payday 2 got the game for free.
THEYRE OUT OF MONEY
When Devils Strike Theyre bankrupt, they also sold payday 2 and every dlc for 2$ on ps4
Now I just feel cheated I can’t get a pc or know how to play on pc I’ve only had consoles and not to mention I have no way to play pc because I’m broke and most games I want to play are all on pc well even if I was to keep playing on console I got no one to play with anyway and I only got back into payday because of quarantine an I love the game it’s depressing to know that I’m basically playing a shell of a game...now I understand why my friends won’t buy the game for 5 dollars to play with me I just regret pre ordering the console version and they will probably forget about it
It seems Overkill dug themselves a hole before they even released Payday, by putting it on the worst game engine possible for their game. And they just dug deeper as the years went on
I see what you mean but by them having a different engine, they had to design differently and those designs drew people.
They dug themselves deep because of the terrible investments they made over the years. Ever since 2015 we knew something like this would happen.
It's because they didn't have the time nor the resources to chose a different engine during the development of Payday 2 which was 2011-2013 they simply didn't have the time to learn a new engine and they were running low on cash when the development of Payday 2 started so they didn't have the money to purchase a license to a new engine so they stuck with what they knew and already had which was Diesel.
@@thetrashmann8140 pretty amazing that they managed to do a game like payday 2 with an engine as shit as diesel, tbh, i'm honestly hyped for what overkill will do with unreal.
the walking dead's kinda weird, tho, they started using the valhalla engine to develop it, but they ditched it for being shit, alongside nearly every asset in favour of unreal, by the time they did that, they had like 10 months of development left. at least it looked good.
@@bit_ronic That's no entirely true. They started on Diesel, but Developers argued, that they need a better engine to make the game. So higher ups bought the rights to the "Valhalla Engine", which acording to an anonymous developer, wasn't even a game engine, but a renderer for web sites. So they begged for a real engine, which was UE4. Problem was, they already moved the release back 2 times and the investors were angry, so OVERKILL needed to make a game during crunch time of 1 year. No wonder the end result was shit.
I’m just hoping that whenever Payday 3 comes out, that they’re managed better on the PS5 and Xbox Series X (seriously Microsoft, your naming conventions...). As much as I love this game, they REALLY dropped the ball.
They did still add a LOT of content! But I do agree. Things could have been handled far better, although as we know now, it wasn't just a case of negligence...
If Payday 3 ever comes out I hope they'll fix a whoooooole lot of problems
Red Archer Live Oh, I know most of the problems(before the whole Near Bankruptcy issue) were due to the fact Diesel is... it’s an engine, thats about the end of the good things I can say about it. The fact that Payday 3 is being made on a significantly better engine (one that people understand how to port no less) is a good sign
I would never touch one of there games again until I know they will support it properly.
Red Archer Live yes it was a case of negligence
So to explain it simply: They need to be focused on making money. Updating console would make them lose money.
Which is all fine and dandy, problem though is that is all their fault because they should of been on the ball with updates to begin with. So the fact they have a bunch of unreleased content they will get 0 compensation for is completely a fuck up of their own design.
so its like ea but thanks god no loot boxs
They gonna wait for 6 months then try to update it that's part of the plan
@@Shinano1944 no
They're saving money for payday 3.
EA saves money for themselves, not for future games.
I’d rather have no updates on console and have payday 3 be a blast, than have payday 2 updates and not have a payday 3.
Overkill forgot their console passwords, so they aren't able to roll out updates.
I can say this confidently.
What losers, having console passwords
with what i know about overkill and just the way payday 2 is build i would not be surpised in the slightest if this actually happened
The fact they even thought of going free-forever is honestly just amazing, not many companies would even consider that so the fact they did it until they almost crashed is even more of a reason for us to love them, they aren't like BHVR with their NFT's or EA with their microtransactions, they were upfront saying "we messed up we are gonna burn if we dont break our promise" and for that i give them mad respect, i understand the console issues and of course as a console player its sad i wont get new stuff but if they change this when Payday 3 releases it will be worth it im sure, they're a good company and i trust them to do the best for the community even if it is to sacrifice the few so that one day we can all experience a game so fantastic that Payday 2 will be a mere stepping stone to our heisting futures, i am willing to give them time to get the ball rolling, they are honest, driven and great people, they made an amazing game and even in the hardest of times didnt push the community into the pit to save themselves, i will be there all the way i can make that a certainty, i dont mind spending money on DLC's its normal to do so, just do your best on Payday 3 and make it great for all of us.
I always wondered why I couldn't get weapon skins on console
This video kind of bumps me out but I'm hoping for the best for Payday 3
Finally someone mentioned it as weird as it is weapon skins on console would refresh the game for me it’s very boring looking at the same gun like a 100 times
@@Aim____Higher same I want my gun not blinding my eyes with 5 diffrent non matching colars
There's a reason for why they are not in the Game: *VALVE*
Sad
Btw why can't we chat
Can't wait for a year later when it's released as "Payday 2: The Crime Lords" on Xbox Series X and PS5.
You know they're going to do it.
well it’s a year later and it didn’t happen
@@jametron6135 lol
Payday: Knights of the Old Heisters II: The Crime Lords
I understand if some of the pc heists are too big but I personally would like to see some small bank heists like go bank
GO Bank is tied up by licensing issues with Valve, since it's based on a CS:GO map. Almir said the heist would be added if they ever gained permission, but since that tweet was about 4 years ago and we've heard nothing since, I don't imagine that heist will ever be on Consoles :/
I think the safe house customization could’ve been added too.
Godfather9814 it can’t run
@@RedArcherLive Didn't know that heist was licensed, but then again I don't play CSGO
Actually, I think most heists can be ported to consoles but it's just a time waster, I mean look at games like gta, Minecraft, cod, they all have massive content updates and stuff and they run fine.
Payday 2 pc updates: exist
Payday 2 console players: why are we still here; just to suffer?
Payday 2 NO
Y E S !
Disappointing
me and my mates picked up payday on the PS4 and it’s a good game I’m not sure how much content is missing though but it sucks it’s not been supported
There's not a GREAT deal missing at this point to be honest. The vast majority of stuff has been added, it's just some of the missing items are very popular and heavily requested :/
weapon skins, and the upgradable safe house are the 2 things I dont see why they didnt get added to console
Thanks for responding to me and love the channel I don’t know if you have a contact in overkill but the dlc pack crimewave collection is missing on the Australian PlayStation store
Eh, things are worse for the old gen consoles (like always, and always has been)
@@lucapietro3023 It most likely has been banned due to Australian laws. Similar to Hotline Miami 2: Wrong number
I would buy most of the DLCs if it wasn’t so damn overpriced
yeah like 5 USD for 2-3 heists
I bought them all
get the 27 dollar version it saves alot of money bro
I got all dlc packs for 16$on sale on Xbox store
@@lolpolopi8655 I got the game back when it was on sale
Console needs the new safehouse
Console needs the new everything I honestly hate how little they care to support console. Like why be devs if you're going to be lazy 😂👐
Duke Thadon 100% agreed haha
Duke Thadon your right just so right
Duke Thadon that’s no lie 😂 I honestly don’t it’s so much of a money issue is mostly cause they let console versions just sit there and die out that they can’t really blame players aren’t buying stuff cause who’s gonna player a multiplayer game when multiplayer is so buggy 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂
Did any of you actually watch the video
It’s almost like if they would’ve kept the game up to date from the beginning this wouldn’t have happened :/
Ya the situation was avoidable but look where we are now
@@moussafamily6167bruh
If they don't have the work force consoles are going to get screwed again come payday 3.
Technically they already are. He said it himself they are working on it already and the team is already small af. Like bruh how are they suppose to make a proper game with the same size they just slipped up with payday 2 over? These guys don't learn at overkill they just keep fuckin up
@@MiiMagus93, not a matter of size, team size is another risk/reward variable, a bigger team CAN achieve objectives faster, but it also raises expenses, increase risk of human failure into the mix (a project with many inside each area raises chances of someone slipping and causing delays on every other front) and can create further delays from the sheer personel size.
A smaller team, on the Overkill team size, isn't anything impressive, better than 99% of any Indie studio for sure, but it's safer to assume they know each other better, so delays from miscommunication or human mistakes shouldn't happen (if they still do, it's lack of team wide cooperation, which imo isn't the issue, rather it was the administration that sucked ass) so often.
If they use an engine that's not a spaghetti code mess (Source, Bugthesda engine, DIESEL engine...), Get their programmers acquainted with it and other related areas as well (3D, level/map design...), I don't see them having any big issue
Correct!
easy solution, don't buy it for 3/4ths a year or so. make sure it's a worthwhile game and read reviews long after the game's been released.
I got tired of the wall of bugs on PD2:CWE, so you can bet I'm not spending a dime until I make sure the game isn't busted to hell.
Commas man, commas
The only thing I can ever hear Chains say is, “ON THE GODDAMN GROUND”
Well... you have the explanation why the situation right now is shitty: staff, money.
That doesn‘t explain why they have been ignoring consoles before shit hit the fan.
You said it yourself: pd2 was a huge success at the beginning, still consoles were ignored like the „you gotta be 18 or older“ warning on porn sites.
I kinda fear they will have the audacity to re-release it again on ps5/x-box. I hope for them they won‘t, since the shitstorm would be massive.
What you said was just not true at all
Cameron 400+ days for first update says i‘m right though.
@@CamarilloCraze You're pretty dumb
@@donchan9359 no offense but diesel
BOY OH BOY do i have news for you...
Here’s a little story called overkill and how they killed their game on console see you get a tiny bit of tax evasion and a bunch of laziness you mix it together and you get overkill’s recipe of payday 2 for consoles
Honestly I don’t really care about the new heist cause all the heist in console are the ones I play anyway besides the White House that’s the only one I’d want but we should at least get new guns or customization options like gun skins and outfits. If they do give up on consoles completely oh well I guess they’ll just have to win me over somehow with payday 3 but I’m not giving them any excuses this time🤷♂️
I honestly want new stuff and fixed safehouse
I just want the fucking Union rifle
Wait, you dont have the white house? Im on Console and i do.
Myrtle Conzy what
@@purpa. not on Xbox
I’m going to be honest. I think another big underlying issue that explains basically every negative aspect of payday 2 is:
I genuinely believe Overkill didn’t expect this game to be as popular as it is. You can tell with how much they’ve added overtime, looking at where it began to where it is now, it really was a small creation that grew into one of the best games I’ve had the pleasure of watching grow over the years. I remember when it dropped barebones, and now it’s just a behemoth. Hopefully they are able pull through.
If they won't update consoles, then give us something like a PC key for Payday 2 or maybe some sort of discount for Payday 3 because this kind of mismanagement is disgraceful.
Couldn't agree more. They left every console players high and dry.
Love how red archer only pays attention to the positive compliments about the company anytime somebody says something that is blunt or critical we just don't exist lmfao😂😂😂
Duke Thadon that’s a normal thing to do
@@MiiMagus93 I mean I understand why. He is a partner so it wouldn't make sense to bad mouth then but it's hard to not notice the struggles the consoles deal with in pd. It's to the point were I haven't touched pd in almost 2 years.
@@RedReaper3645 that's what I'm saying though it's gotten to the point though man where people have just straight up abandoned the game and I can't blame players for doing so the handling thus far on these issues have been very piss poor catch my drift?
The free content promise was one of those things that you're glad was broken. It's evil when a company that already has massive amounts of money breaks such a promise.
What went wrong? Everything...... plus they don’t seem to give to much of a shit to keep it updated, if I get one more bag glitch out that I can’t get it off of me, players disconnect and npcs lagging so the host can see them but others can’t causing the heist to fail silent and go loud I’m gonna smash my disc like a dozer smashes through my armor
The accuracy of this comment i swear i feel your pain so many damn glitches on the game plus lack of content is undeniably gross. The guys over at overkill are incompetent as shit.
@@MiiMagus93 yeah but, any bug patches or anything, it's a time waster again, the time they spent fixing a minor inconvenience on glitches on consoles, they could've added a new gun to payday 3 or something. That's why there isn't a point, yes fixing the bug will be great but it's not like their gonna gain anything from it, ppl arnet quitting payday over it so it's not urgent to them, it's probably the last on their priorities list.
Think of it this way, say like a game had tons of players on it and they enjoyed the game, but the company is expected to make a new better version of their game in a few years, they wouldn't focus on minor bugs on the last game, I mean if their not quitting the game over it, it shouldn't be the main focus to patch every inconvient bug, the main focus should be the new game, otherwise the new game may have bugs or something like that
@@Bedic-Mag i feel like if you have to choose between either or at that point you shouldn't be worrying about choosing those two options as a dev team. At that point they should be worrying about the fact that their team can't handle such things. Most game companies don't slack this much just in general. They need a better team for handling different jazz like that regarding bugs. Neglecting that just because you want to work on the next title yet you just admitted you're in no shape to be tackling such objectives anyhow? It seems team is just mismanaged and don't prioritize properly lol.
We have a friend in our crew who gets a new glitch each time he plays with us. We even started calling glitches after him.
My dlc got taken away from me even though i brought crimewave
Oh and not to mention one time all my progress was erased
I made my own skill trees and was infamy level twenty five
Honestly I’d be down to pay for the free DLC just to give them some funding for the game.
That music in the background when he is wrapping up it is like console players walking away and expecting that payday 2 for console will not catch up to PC ever or for a long time
It's called "This is Goodbye" from the John Wick character pack trailer
hopefully they keep payday 3 is equal paced
@@Lucios1995 I know I just forgot at that one moment
All my friends bought payday 2 because it was on sale and they were bummed out to find out it rarely gets updates🙁
Everybody gangsta till Chains starts talking
I wouldnt mind if they don't update consoles , even tho Ive got a Playstation myself. Let em focus on the new game and let em get back on track. And hopefully they'll make an awesome game.
Agreed, I'd rather wait 3 years for an amazing game than have another console update and have a subpar payday 3 for PS5.
I just want bug fixes bro i don't even care about content
Agreed as long as they are straightforward with it and they possibly make up for it on payday 3 like give us a few unique things
Payday 3 comes out next month on Diesel with 3 assault rifles, 6 smgs, 2 snipers and 3 heists also it crashes spectacularly
While they should be focusing on payday 3, I think maybe they could do the bare minimum and add small things that won't take much time but make at least some change. The raid weapon pack and suit customisation and gloves
I just really wished I could play the whitehouse heist with friends man that’s all I’d want
Like I've said in every video related to consoles on your channel. It's over. Many of us aren't expecting much from them anymore. Sadly this WILL hurt them badly for pd3 on consoles. In my opinion they need to hand off the rights to a company that can actually do their jobs and isn't a mess 99% of the time. You keep mentioning over and over about them getting money for pd3. great it'll happen again on console. I will bet the first few DLCs will be equal then it'll be pd2 all over again. Payday on console ended it sucks but it's the truth.
THIS 👆👆👆 I so agree with you on that man. They just lost their way and will never find it back. Too incompetent.
yeah, they should sell the rights of payday2 console version to some other company that can actually manage...
@Apparently _Salty I don't have alot of faith. Sorry. This company stabbed the consoles in the back and watched them bleed. They say they care about us but they don't and it showed. I don't care if they say it's more expensive to get content on consoles. The console community is still a large community to look at and they failed heavily. I hate saying it because believe it or not I enjoyed the shit out of pd when it was on ps3 then ps4 and I slowly noticed they kinda gave a big 🖕 to all of us. PD3 NEEDS to be heavily looked geared to the console players, without pissing off the pc community, obveously,, and show that they still actually give a shit about us. Most likely I won't get pd3 on the spot I'll wait a few months shit maybe a year or so and see how we are treated before jumping in and investing in this company again.
I don’t think people understand how hard it was for them
@@muchojuicy4027 lmfao who cares if it was difficult for them their devs and they released a game for console and as the devs you are excepted to make sure the game is worth it to the player base. If they weren't expecting to either do well or excepted the game to die out quickly they wouldn't have released it to consoles. They did. I'm not going to side with a company who didn't care about console players and if you are a console player you shouldn't be on their side at all and should understand why we are pissed off. If you aren't well you're lucky they love you more then.
I have hopes for Payday 3, with the new engine thats easier to work in and the backlash they had from the console community along with the learning moments they had through Payday2, I hope this can all come together for a great new title. Im a tad worried because of the failure of TWD game, but they are pretty proficient in their Payday world and the fanbase is pretty loyal overall.
I just hope that when the company is in a better place they will care to come back and add those heist or in the very least add all these heists to payday 3 like they did with payday the heist
While that sounds nice, you gotta remember that Payday 2 has way more heists that Payday: The Heist. That would be alot of work on Overkill's part.
Honestly I love payday 2 and I have been playing it on the Xbox one and it has so much potential and when people started disappearing I got worried and confused and I didn't want the game to die I wanted it to prosper and make people happy and play it nonstop and I'm doing my part and trying to see if my friends want to give the game a shot
Wow last time I was this early seabreeze/overkill we’re still updating and adding DLC content packs two consuls...
Yes I made my first ever this last time I was this early joke no but besides that yeah I do agree with everything that you said in this video really really good information and thank you for putting the time and dedication for us Consol players you sir are the best in the whole entire world and in the payday community.
Get ready for someone to feel the need to correct you on “two”
Thank you! :)
@@stonerjones3837 I mean if he's making mistakes like that he should be worried more about school than fuckin payday *two*
@@stonerjones3837 and he spelled console consul two completely different things bruh
Hey man sometimes you’re just too lazy to spell and you just decide to use text to speech even though it’s a bad idea because you have a speech impediment but you still do it anyways because fuck it lol.
i got mad because i bought the crimewave edition on console and found out that the content was only being released on pc :(
i hope they get out of their debts soon and keep the console version alive, i mean i still have scarface but only on ps4! i hope they do well soon and dont leave the console behind when payday 3 and their debts go out
Great video dude, like seriously I can see you put time and effort into it, just one thing I wanted to clear up,
Grin wasnt a company owned by Overkill, Overkill was merely the successor, Grin was a company established in 1997 by Bo an Ulf Andersson, and to be honest the whole story of Grin going bankrupt is worth a whole new conversation, but again, loved the video altogether, and I can see how you overlooked Grin's history, it's not exactly a popular one
Thanks dude! And yeah I didn't know that much, thanks for clarifying 😊
Let me straight up answer the title without losing too much time: everything
Not the news I wanted to hear but let's hope they look after the next gen consoles a lot better and make it up with some free dlc for the consoles
Most smaller devs can’t do console to save their lives, is something I tend to see a lot, but some can manage but yea it must suck to play a version of a game that has less content than the pc version, and worse if they all of a sudden stop updating that version of the game
"Consoles can t handle the new safehouse,even in the best pc it runs badly" and still in my shitass laptop runs perfectly even with safeswarming D.S . 😐
It's hard to believe that the engine was so poorly optimized for consoles that it has issues running a game with ps2 era graphics yet massive open world games like rdr2 run fine
@@CQchaos7474 you don't need to go as far as rdr2. Even gta 5 can run 30 fps and it almost never crashes
Maybe they are bad developers...
I’m just now seeing this video and it makes me sad because we haven’t got a update in years on consoles rip😭
Been playing console since 2013 on 360, I've been through all of it and dreading the pc player base I have turned into one of those pc players over the past year, I still miss the console players but pc is ahead so I had to change
Also this game is still wasted potential without mods, either way they are too damn sexy to miss it out on them.
The final shit on the chest is that there’s no data transfer for console to pc
Amazing video, didnt even know all this was going on so very informative!
Thanks! :)
I hope that for Pay day 3 they can really refine console controls. It really bugs me how crappy it feels to play with a controller compared to a keyboard. A lot of shooters have really great controls for console but it seems like payday is just meant for a keyboard
Only other game that had controls so bad on PS4 was ZombieU and it made payday a masterpiece
I remember buying a 360 copy of payday 2 at a booth that was selling games in Comic Con after playing the trial for hours. Then years later I got Crimewave edition and realized how much more content it had, then I saw what PC had and I wanted to get it on PC but I don't have a PC currently.
I just wish that we had the safehouse feature but I do understand that they just aren't able to do this currently. I hope that they don't leave payday 2 on consoles to just die and come back to it eventually.
Pc heists are extremely unoptimized and badly designed. Trust me, the heists on console are all you need, there is no fun facing 50+ cops being thrown in front of your face.
@@harolrvez7124 Well thats good to know, thanks for telling me. Now I guess I just want the safehouse feature, the new weapons/weapon customization on console. These are the things that I mostly wish to have but some heist optimization for PC and possibly for console if it gets new updates. (Sorry for basically writing a paragraph)
@@harolrvez7124 as a sociopath main I disagree with your 50+ cops statement lol
I honestly would love to see the missing heists and that's it
That's all I would want to be truely happy
But I understand we cannot get them
But I would love to see the remaining masks weapons and the suit customization option
the sheer scale of that framerate drop you showed in the clip of first world actually made me bust out laughing, i had no clue this game was that demanding. i havent played it a ton since 2016, so my logic was always, "its a game from 2013, theres no way it can be hard to run." boy was I wrong lol
This was the first response UA-cam gave me when I asked why my night vision in payday 2 isn't working
They're gonna have to go overkill with an update on consoles. That pun was intended.
Outside of the console situation, I learned many new things! Thanks for the info, well researched and edited, really good vid !
On console you can’t legitimately get the difficulty skulls
I had to buy all the way up to death wish because that’s the highest difficulty I completed all heists on solo
Yeah it suck us console players aren’t gonna get anymore payday 2 but if that means that payday stays alive as a game and a brand I’m fine with it
When Payday 3’s trailers or news comes later, not sure if i’d buy it because i dont want these same issues of lacking updates to happen again im afraid :/
Same. I'm not buying, they're just going to slip up again and this time it'll be twice as annoying lol.
Duke Thadon 3 times the delay of console updates😂
@@MiiMagus93 buy the game, if u do ur giving overkill the money they need to keep going, they already have issues and they know they can't slip up or else it's bye bye for them, it's gonna be much easier to port content, it's not that it can't run on consoles it's that it's too much to do, they bearly have any cash and they can't waste anymore time on stuff they know they won't need, they need every bit of cash they can get, if the sales on console isn't good, they might lose motivation as they're wasting time on consoles, ur gonna be the reason console won't get updates, ur just lying u know u will buy it lol.
Stop saying their lazy etc, ur not a dev, u haven't done any code probably, they've tried their best just to be called lazy
@@Bedic-Mag they did shit. They arent even patching glitches.
@@Bedic-Mag Um, I think you forgot to get off Overkill's dlck...
Thank you for this. I didn’t know this. I wanted to introduce my brother to payday but I was a little sad of the lack of updates.
Payday 3 will have Console Version as well.
*Warframe Has Entered the Chat*
"Yea. Just delayed."
Yeah i prefer warframe than payday 2
On console we have kinda had half updates. We got joy who is from the icebreaker updates but we don't have shacklethorn auction. We have the fedora from Aldstones Heritage but we don't have the weapons.
If I could, I would volunteer to help port some things to consoles, and ask for a one-time pay for when I'm done. Sadly, I don't have the knowledge yet, but hopefully I shall in the future after college.
I Hope payday 3 on consoles have ALL updates at least for the main story line,like payday 2 crime wave Edition doens't even reservoir dogs but It has Brooklyn bank
Im fairly happy with whats on console but i will probably move to PC when payday 3 comes out. I don’t think i can be bothered seeing people get so much more content a second/ third time
I was a big fan back in the day. I was a ps4 heister. With lack of content I unfortunately had to leave and move on to other games. But I managed to grab the platinum before i left
Nobody:
80% players that only plays for the hell of it: wHeRe's CoNsoLe UpDate?
20% of payday community that still support the game: DON'T LET THE FLAME DIE OUT
r/uselessnobody
A year later and we still are missing heists. Heck we don't even have weapon skins.
Still waiting for spoon
Payday 3 just released and im still on the same patch since 2020
The thing that went rong is that pc had more ppl playing because it was free for a week
Not only that but there tend to be more pc players for shooter games
@@prodthedirtybunny tru
This man is the voice of console players
I just hope that once payday 3 is released they go back and give console players the rest of the content. :/ (Note not all of the content just some more)
That will not happen, sorry but they are a company, they don't care about your feelings, they need to make profit. And using their resources on an old game that runs on a different engine, isn't exactly the best thing to do for them. By that point pd2 players would already move on to pd3, so pd2 would likely be dead by the time pd3 releases. So there is no real point to update it.
That intro was top tier, subbed
Payday is one of the biggest reason I’m switching to pc. I love payday and I want to experience all it has to offer.
Man, they don’t need to update anything else, I just want the Spoon
Now I just feel cheated I can’t get a pc or know how to play on pc I’ve only had consoles and not to mention I have no way to play pc because I’m broke and most games I want to play are all on pc well even if I was to keep playing on console I got no one to play with anyway and I only got back into payday because of quarantine an I love the game it’s depressing to know that I’m basically playing a shell of a game...now I understand why my friends won’t buy the game for 5 dollars to play with me I just regret pre ordering the console version
Oh well, I know the feeling honestly. Though Overkill (or whatever the company/etc is) possibly won't get a new update for the console nor DLCs. It is quite sad that the priority is for the PC. Sure, there are many PC gamers and all, but still, there are also quite the numerous console gamers/players.
I really hate overkill for this. It's hella hard to solo stealth Big Oil when they get alerted by the lab door being opened. But in the pc version they don't.
This just makes me sad asf man…
Meanwhile I’m over here, a level 74 who started 3 days ago, trying to figure out how to get to the new safe house because I learned it exists
Ha I think I'm 73 right now, it's such a confusing community to walk into with the love/hate relationship with Overkill and story that I'm not entirely sure is available on console. Along with the community starting to age and die away slowly. Still going pretty strong though
@@qm230 its not
@@fallonwomack5777 what's not? :P
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I believe I can summarise:
1) They broke
2) Diesel is trash
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
It’s December 2021 now and payday 2 console edition is still like 300 updates behind this game is dying and the need to fix it soon
He just said around 17:39 that most of the people on the team have been doing nothing but working on payday 3. Then people wonder why consoles never getting anymore attempts for the rest of payday 2 content jesus overkill should've prioritized this a long time ago for real. They were putting it off for the longest even when it came to next gen. And if diesel was such a shit engine why run it?! That's the thing about overkill they never used their brains when making this game it's like halfway into running this sinking titanic of a game they thought yep this'll be great we'll just abandon ship and let half our fans be fucked and only pay attention to pc. Bruh you simply can't do that, that's rookie type of mistakes as far as entertainment purposes go. I dont even really want to get payday 3 now cuz it's just going to end up the same way as payday 2 did regardless of the new engine or not. If they couldn't care enough now what would give them the drive in the future. Wasted potential and possibility if you ask me, plus it seems like Red Archer only excuses their mistakes and lapses in judgement. Bro we get it, it's one of your fav games but c'mon -_-
Because it made sense to use Diesel in 2013, when Payday 2 first came out. Four reasons:
1. Unreal Engine 4 wasn't even a thing when Payday 2 came out in 2013; 2014 was when licences for UE4 were first available. Because of that, it's not fair to compare Diesel to UE4.
2. Comparing its predecessor, Unreal Engine 3, to Diesel, the two stack up a lot more evenly than you might think - especially since Overkill upgraded it specifically for Payday 2.
3. Overkill was more familiar with Diesel because - well, you know - they basically created it. Because of that, any advantages UE3 might've held were nullified because of the effort it'd take to have to learn how to use it as opposed to just using Diesel again, which they already knew the ins and outs of. Think of it like you would trying to learn a "more sensible and efficient" keyboard layout than QWERTY - if you're already so used to the less efficient system to the point where the difference is barely noticeable, why spend all that time unlearning and then learning a new system?
4. Overkill owned Diesel, so they didn't have to pay a licencing fee to use it - which they would've had to if they used UE3, since it's owned by Epic Games.
That said, I understand completely why you're mad about getting shafted as a console player, and I'm not asking you to forgive Overkill for it - I just wanted to point out why they made this seemingly-bizarre choice in particular.
@@PigAlexabder The Disel Engine isn't owned by Overkill (at least I think) so you can't just update it.
@@MadWatcher can't tell if you're talking about the guy that commented to the other reply or my comment in particular. Either way sorry for replying late lol. Life happens and plus my youtube notifs didn't even let me know people responded to me lmao
Not to mention they were on the verge of bankruptcy in 2013 too, so they really didn't have money to invest in PD2. It saved them and then some.
@@mr.wankpants4341 I know you've probably been told this but yes, they do own the Diesel engine and when Grin went bankrupt Bo & Ulf managed to drag the engine along with them hence how they own the engine.
Another thing to point out is that the console versions are mostly the game with added bundles (like the Crimewave edition) and I had wanted and thought if the recent updates, DLC's, and game fixes will come to console, but now I understand why they had some problems with console versions.
Simple answer: it lost its support from the devs
As one of the launch day Payday 2 Xbox 360 players, this has probably been the most realistic understanding of what's going on.
For the "content bursting at the seams" this is literally the EXACT reason why Borderlands 2 had to wrap it up, way back in the day. You can do the research, there's loads of articles where if there's too much "load" in the game, it basically wants to off itself and we are seeing the same situation. What exasterbates the issue is the limitations between PC and Console of this regard. This is why Minecraft is near infinite on a potato of a rig and why a 360 MUST limit its space (and I think the same happened to the One). Nonetheless, I think the popularity of the game superceded expectations and this wasn't a natural "oh a heist game looks good". Back in the backend of the halcyon of Let's Play content (you know when Red vs. Blue was more funny versus plot heavy) we saw a huge spike in interest thanks to content creators like The Creatures.
There's a reason why there's the Nova shank and I'd be a firm believer that a sizable percentage of people who bought the game were dogpiling off the culture, memes, and information spewing from that old content. RussianBadger as well is kicking a sizable PC oriented audience BACK into the game over the past year. With all of this in mind, you have (granted) an incredible spike in finances, but now with Red Archer's info on their blunders... the fact is simple... that CEO basically bogged the tracks on all of this. When you introduce a massive "flash" income the dumbest decision (and sadly often case) is to expend it on things that are THOUGHT to keep the ball rolling.
Sorry for the TED talk but, there's bound to be more folks coming to this, as Payday 3 ramps up and I want to say: I've bitched at Overkill/Starbreeze too. Been there, done it and I sympathize for the plight. But now that I bought a PC, got back into things... after two years of playing here? YEAH...THIS is the right info.
I'm calling it. When the series X and ps5 drop there gonna release a MASSIVE update for console like there holding back bc there making PC dlcs work with console
Lol didn't happen
Sucks so much because people like me cant afford a pc or even have a room for a pc(i sleep on the couch) and console is all we can really do and i hope they do begin to add more stuff or atleast show a little bit more attention to console versions
I just want to customise weapons/characters :(
Damn, I was under the impression they ditched console updates entirely forever ago. I guess it's worse that people actually wait forever for something to come to consoles, because it does get content sometimes.
I actually like console more than pc. Mainly because of the amazing community, and (possibly) performance.
Mate once you go 60fps+ you will never go back... 30 feels like a slide show. Also mouse accuracy.
@@SquirrelKnight50 Facts. And I haven't crashed on PC and I've been playing for a week (just sayin)
crashed a few times on PC but that doesn't stop me, to be honest first time I discovered Payday was from my cousin's Xbox, felt pretty much same when I transitioned to PC version but that's just me, I just hope there will be the day where we can play cross platform or have cross platform account so I can play with my friend that is playing on console
Yeah you get double the fps with good hardware and a standard monitor 60hz in america and 59hz in europe yeah it's way better and you can get 144hz or 120hz idk look around the market.
I played PayDay 2 on console until last month, when I finally bought it on PC, but I have to say, I loved PayDay 2! I only bought it again because of my love for it!
Why make a console version just to stop giving content
Judah_Weir 420 money i guess and if they kept giving it updates and DLC they would have made more money
@@1ial691 Didn't you hear the video?
The only Dlcs left for the console versions are free updates.
You cant make money off of things that are free.
Gotta listen to the trivia don’t do this in real life
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Well we did get a free mask on 360 but that was it along with one last bug fix that got ride of the invincibility bug and making dominating guards have a limit which made framing frame harder because you couldn’t just remove all the guards.
11:32 For a Payday 2 AND tf2 fan, this seems like a lot of developers.
Yep
Overkill has to make money so paid dlc is kinda normal