Superchips Renaultsport Megane vs Ford Focus RS - Auto Express
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2011
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Extra performance doesn't come cheap -- well not usually anyway. But for £445, Renaultsport Megane 250 owners can get their cars' computer reprogrammed by Superchips to boost power from 247bhp to around 300bhp.
So what is the effect on performance? To find out we raced a Superchips-tuned Mégane against the standard Renaultsport Mégane 250 over a standing quarter mile sprint. And then compared the two in a fourth-gear rollon from 50mph for good measure. - Авто та транспорт
I love the arguing about mapping the ford then trying it - What people are missing is the Ford is known for being the fastest hatch out there, by spending 10k less you can buy a megane RS, map it and it'll be quicker. That's why it's impressive, it's not a £400 increase for the ford but at least 10k extra + the £400 map. You're comparing 2 of the best hot hatches with a massive price difference, only £400 to be better than the best makes it a no brainer.
+Adam Wright So a 400 quid makes the megane better then the RS? In what? 0-60 performance? There is more to a car you know, try driving both and you will realize why the Focus RS is more expensive, and why it is still, 6 years later, holding a premium value at 18-23k depending on lux pack and milage.
Its a french car....
@@boljdurk8790 The Megane beats up the Focus RS tbh. Dynamically at least. Especially the later 265/275 models, and DEFINITELY the Trophy. The Megane is the more modern car with a more modern basis. Any Megane with the Cup pack and the Focus has no hope on twisties. It's much heavier for a start. The Renault is just sharper and more adjustable. This makes it sound like the Ford is somehow bad, but it just has a different character. It's more of a bruiser cruiser than chuckable hot hatch. Lap times hold this out, a 265 Cup beats an RS around most timed circuits despite being supposedly miles down on power. A 265 Trophy batters it. The Ford holds a premium because it's a low volume car with the RS badge, anything with the RS badge on it good or bad holds its value. Same goes for the mk1 Focus which is silly money now, but truth is a period EP3 Honda Civic Type R for less than half the price is the better car.
@@pgr3290 what will keep its value and gove you best all round experience?
@@brooklynsparks1016 The Focus RS will hold its value but you're also going to have to pay twice as much as a Megane RS for similar age and condition to get one. It also has higher running costs which offset the depreciation somewhat. The Focus is too expensive for what it is. Basically for half the price plus a map you can have a Megane RS which realistically handles better and is easily as fast. If you have the money to buy a mk2 Focus RS then the other options are more attractive to me. For example you can get a really good similar age E90 M3, or much newer M140i. Perhaps you fancy a FN2 Type R which is now similar money, newer, and again a better car all round. The mk2 RS is a great car but not enough to justify the used prices. The real mystery is why anyone would think the RS was anything like a match for a bonafide M3. With a four litre, 420 horsepower naturally aspirated V8 driving the rear wheels, optionally through a manic DCT gearbox, plus BMW interior quality. You would even get a warranty for the amount people still pay for the front drive Ford Focus with the plastic interior and rusty rear arches. I wouldn't.
The megane do not need a remap...its fast enough for the ford in stockmode😉best handling hatch vs best sounding hatch.
*rs3 joins the chat*
Geez why are these comment sections so damn emotive. Both great cars.
@Autoexpress My concern would be the fact that's an 09/2009 RS. Early RS's ship with a faulty ECU calibration that only develops circa 270bhp. I'd be keen to see that done with a 10/60 plate car that definitely runs the proper up to date ECU calibration.
Matt has come a long way
I had an R26 for three years. Got it delivered with 50 miles and sent it back with 96500 miles and it was fine. There were two issues that I got fixed under warranty but apart from that it was solid as a rock. In my experience Renault are making some fast and reliable cars. I'll definitely be looking at one of these next year when I change my current car.
Had a chip put on my RS here in OZ with pretty similar results (shhh!) dont tell your insurer, even had it serviced at the dealer under warranty and they didn't twig. Only issue as seen here is getting the power down without wheel spin (1st & 2nd) if your trying to establish a time with the on board timer you need to warm up the tyres.
@Akshole The updated map was to solve problems with Braking and power issues. Customers would get around 280bhp from a dyno and were not happy hence a updated map that made the engine produce closer to the claimed power. But like any turbo car, power will always vary on dynos.
@matthewruss that's only in a straight line, in the corners even a standard megane rs would be faster than the heavier focus...
does the megane get hot with extra power and stick ic?
Est ce qut tu peux me dire la différence entre la megane rs jaune et rouge du debut ? j'ai pas trop capté ...
You don’t need to remap it ,just buy yourself the TDI tuning box and you’ll have the same result. I have one on my Volvo S60 t6 R and the power increase is pretty impressive.
@pardeepbhachu Did you just say 'updated map'?! As in factory reprogrammed map??! Is it faster?
A lot more power can be had with the stock turbo on the RS. I've seen them break 420whp with the stock turbo still on. Pretty damn impressive cars and that 5 cylinder sounds amazing with a little work on the exhaust.
Yeah, Focus RS was amazing, because of 5 cylinder engine sound. Too bad the new one is turbo4 ;/
Lol 420whp stock turbo, someone doesn’t have a clue how to calibrate a dyno
winzfeld1 your wrong there. With a remap and some minor upgrades the rs focus easily reaches 420 hp on stock turbo
what about fuel economy, is the same as before at a normal and at a sport driving?
so a moded renault vs stock focus rs ? hows that a fair test
why did you not made a second run with both stock?
The yellow it's a M3RS Trophy 265 and 360N.m ?
@pardeepbhachu Where would you put your money if the challenges were re-enacted using the remapped RS? Thanks for the immediate feedback btw.
Just had mine remapped. Made 253 standard and 298 with a map. It's absolutely savage now 😁
Where did you go for the remap?
@@LouisLeungJr RS tuning in Leeds
@@z06dave Just had mine mapped, just under 300hp and it's made such a massive difference... XD
@@SpartanV41 it's awesome isn't it. I've been looking at the new Mégane 4 RS (300 trophy) a remap takes it to 380hp! 😳
What mods have you done to get just under 300bhp
I found the Sport Mode on my Megane RS yesterday and its awesome. My Neck still hurts
+HeavyHanded when you push it once it isn't noticeable granted! but push it twice and hold the button ! Well I can't deny it it noticeable
+HeavyHanded maybe mine is remapped before I bought it! But yes acceleration is noticeably faster
+jonathan connor acceleration is not faster. It is the same if you press pedal to the metal. The difference is the sensibility, or better said, the throttle map. In normal mode, it is mote linear, this, 50% press gives roughly 50% butterfly open, but on most aggresive mode, 50% press gives 100% butterfly open. The result of this is that in RS mode, partial throttle gives more power, but full throttle gives the same in every mode.
This is not true. i have stock rs 265 and in standard mode i makes only 250 hp and 340nm
In sport mode 265 and 360 nm
My cup-s is 250 in normal mode and the full 275 when the RS button is pressed 👌
How are you getting 14.46 1/4 mile in an RS? bog stock STs run that kind of time...
@TheHendricks34 Its too dark outside i cant get a good video, Ive got some pics tho
ya but if the focus is one from the first yea of production, it only has around 250 at the flywheel the later models have closer to the 300
POOR Ford ! N°1 in rallyes...Citroën (not ford)
N°1 in le mans series....Peugeot (not audi)
N°1 in formula1....Renault (not mercedes)
Do you always think that Ford is better ?
Yes. Cause it has 5 cylinder and it's practical for everyday use.
pareil ! j'ai cru premierement qu'ils comparaient le version Trophy (265 ch) contre celle de base (250 ch) mais en fait non, je dirais que le jaune sortait plus de poney que prévus, mais en battant la Focus sur 400m je pense que c'est clair, elle n'est pas full stock...
where can you buy one
@smithy855 I found it a good comparo, but I agree that if you went and got a mountune or puma speed tune on the RS, it would walk all over the Megane.
hi guys how can I find this chips
@envoking Not true. This is comparison of two cars with 300 Hp, It means 2 cars with same output.
Absolutely relevant, if you are not Focus nut and hate Megane for its overall better performance.
@JosephW1989 Are you sure about the Focus RS not producing 301??? I've seen some on dynos that have produced between 310 and 330 as standard. Mine produced 307 before I had the Mountune kit along with the plenum and exhaust which is now giving me 378bhp. Think you need to stop watching Evo videos because if I remember, they had a early Focus RS that didn't have the factory recall for the updated map.
@matthewruss different approaches to different cars though, you would have to mod the shit out of the RS to get it round corners like a Megane, which costs ALOT more then tuning the engine
And how much more have you pay'd for the Ford
LtheYak ?
Both fantastic cars! There is a problem though. The driver of the French car is the one saying 'go' and via a radio. This will add crucial milliseconds onto the RS drivers reaction time but shave milliseconds off of his own. Could easily be worth a quarter second!
I'd be interested to know the limits in the Megane engine and whether the tune is actually safe! The RS is built like a tank of course but if Renault warranty is affected perhaps they don't trust it! Mountune is the Ford tune of choice and warranty (up to a point) remains intact. I'd have both cars though. Love them!
@stevesikora97
1a)
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Before the remap of the Megane 3 RS (MRS3), it had 60hp less than the Focus RS...
Thus where is the objectivity to do a run like that between 2 cars with 60hp of differences??!!
Here the MRS3 have 300HP the same power of the Focus RS & we can to see with more objectivity who is the best in the same level of power engine!
Put a remap on the focus and let's see the outcome
Fair play to you & i hope you enjoy the car.
i couldn't buy one myself due to the massive depreciation that the Megane will suffer. There are cars I'd happily spend £20,000 - £27,000 on, but not the Megane.
so this is a faster version of a megan and it beats the focus by what 0.07 was it?
Now the focus rs500 which is 50 bhp more than the focus and the quarter mile is about 0.4 seconds faster, i would like to see an rs500 vs a superchips megane. agreed?
I know informing your insurer that you have "upgraded" will affect your premium, but is there any real need to tell them? Would they ever find out? Just asking out of interest.
I reckon it's only when you file a claim, they might argue that you fail to inform them of the upgrade itself, and thus they might not pay out based on that
Yes they can run a diagnostic its very easy to find out.
Nåti M
How ?? If your getting your "Renault" for example on a dyno and tuning it a small bit lets say 20bhp how will anyone ever find out ?
TextuReProGameR If you wanna straight pipe it or like go to a steel induction... small stuff you should be ok. Renault would not mind and most likely keep your warranty intact. But remaps, decats... etc
No Car company would let the warranty stand then.
What if i get my focus RS upgraded as well? Where is ur god now?
Some people have put the RS on the rolling road and got 280 bhp, maybe this one is down in power a bit. I've also seen some making 315 bhp on the rolling road.
Desole la seule voiture francaise qui avez la peche c était la R21 turbo et aujourd'hui plus rien !Quand ils sortiront une Rs avec 350cv d usine alors peut être cocorico ??
J'adore la 21 2l turbo mais combien fait la 21 au nurburgring? beaucoup plus que la Megane
Elle marche bien la m3rs, un bon stage 1 fait largement l'affaire, amplement suffisant pour une traction, j'adore la focus rs mk2 mais elle est très cher et pas forcément plus fiable que la mégane
I agree on the drivers capability, but lets not forget that the megane beats the focus around the Nurburgring stock vs stock. Certain aspects of the focus i like, but i cant ignore the megane and it shall be my next car :D
wich the same driver? i dont think so.
@mattsnell89 Since 2005, Renault has adopted a program for improve the quality and reliability. Now you can see in de ADAC Pannenstatistik inform, how the new Renault models, are in the top of reliability. The results of this program called CONTRACT, are very brilliant.
c'est marqué dans la description elle a ete reprogrammée a 300 chevaux c est donc pour ça ....
@dangerousdeano the renault was pulling away in 4th gear mate..just sayin
Cuantos Hp alcanzó el Megane con el chip?
300hp
Impressive !
Focus RS isn't as fast as it looks, and is very heavy and falls apart at the limit.
BULLSHIT!!
just check out Tiff Needle in a focus rs 500 and he could not keep up with Meaden in a megan R26 with only 225hp, the focus is pure numbers on a spread sheet, in real world performance it's all power and weight, once you push it hard, it shows it's normal car side, great on the road, shit on a track.
I drive a Focus RS and I am very doubtful that it could keep up with a Megane like this on a track. It is simply too much weight on the Ford. However, on an open road it's another story. :)
bign3ck it does not.
Its french....
@MrAlastair10 Back tracking much. You originally said "I have an RS it's awesome you always remap it I have already done so and supercharged the engine it's awesome" - that would suggest that YOU supercharged it. Anyway, I did as you suggested and on the first page, guess how many supercharged RS's I found? None, zilch, not a single one. So it can't be that clear ... I look forward to the video - with modern day phones etc I don't envisage taking more than a couple of hours to take a video.
RS🔥
My friend.... My opinion is that the 300 factory horses of ford focus are better.the driver didnt you them correct i thing.
and not to mention that ''how long will handle the remap pushing it all the time in a track'' or every day at work
for your info the Renault Megane RS265 won against the Nissan Z370 (which is not 2.0 or even 2.5, but 3.7L engine!)
I have an RS it's awesome you always remap it I have already done so and supercharged the engine it's awesome what you can do to cars these days it has a monster energy paint kit a carbon fibre wing and a sport pack only cost about £35,000 I don't dislike Renault but ford are more popular especially the focus zetec it's everywhere
@TheHendricks34 I dont have renault, i have the focus rs
I've always loved Renaults. When I was little I had a toy Clio sport, but had my dreams crushed when I found out they don't sell Renaults in America...
@Fisherdaz1 you dont need to.focus is already more expensive :) thats the point :)
mat is a legend :)
A remap alone for the mk2 RS usually means about 340bhp and just a preposterous amount of torque like 350lb/ft plus. The Megane is a really nice car and you want to map them but you want to map the Focus as well. Considering you have paid the extra for the Focus you should probably pay the extra to have it mapped, which would demolish the Megane again.
I have owned a lot of mapped cars now and it's virtually always a no brainer. You can gain quite a lot of performance for relatively little cash as long as the car has forced induction.
Case in point is the Audi S4 B8. You can easily gain like 70bhp with just a remap. Makes it a 400bhp+ monster that does 0-60 in very low 4s. You simply have to remap it if you have one.
It,s ok mapping the focus RS. but it,s shit in the twisties with 300bhp. what do you think it gonna be like when you can go faster in a straight line? brake even earlier or end up in an edge bottom. best thing to do with focus RS is lighten it. and sort out the suspension. 300bhp is plenty if you know how to use it. any moron can drive fast in a straight line with 400bhp.
santclause1 An RS is shit in the twisties? Have you even driven one? It's a limpet. It has so much front end grip and the point is, it works in the real world. It's comfortable and usable too. It's probably a bit too heavy, but that is the nature of the mark 2 focus anyway. The 5 cylinder engine is just brilliant and worth the extra weight for the sound alone. It's pretty amazing how well sorted and hilarious it is to drive on a B road.
I would map the Megane, but I would map the Focus as well. It's chassis easily deals with the extra power no sweat.
vulcanproject Yes i have driven one. and you obviously haven,t driven one hard enough to say it has so much front end grip. but maybe it,s just me. because i,m used to my Renaultsport. personally your sat way to high. and it understeers way too much. yes you can play with the lift off oversteer but thats not fast. that just hides an ok chassis rather than a great one. yes the sound is nice but all Volvo 5 cylinders sound lovely. but that alone isn,t enough to warrant buying one. especially when Renaultsport do it better for cheaper. Also for 10k people are better off picking up mazda 3 MPS. underpinnings are the same as focus. just tuned diffrent.
You're not wrong on power gains.. Mine is at 315bhp and 370 lb/ft (map, catback exhaust and panel filter)
Chassis can easily take it and more and I am fully confident that mine could leave a standard and mapped Focus RS for dead. The torque steer alone in the Focus is likely to kill the driver anyway! (Yes, I've driven one)
steerj07 There is extremely little torque steer on an RS. On a stock one if you accelerate in a straight line you can feel it, but otherwise it's damped out incredibly well and this is why the RS handles even more power and torque fairly easily.
The Volvo engine is immensely strong, which explains why there are so many stock turbo 400BHP+ 450lb/ft+ examples around. It makes a beautiful sound again difficult to replicate in the Renault.
Both have their strengths, but if you are into tuning beyond a little map or so the Focus is probably the better bet.
well said mate
Try a Fiat coupe 20 valve turbo. Can be bought for less than £1500 and with a £270 remap to 260 bhp, would be quicker than both these cars being so much lighter!
jonscoupe can also buy a £20 gtec chip for it which takes it to 250/260 but i'd spend a bit more and get a hybrid turbo for a safe 300bhp= mega 3rd gear 50-100mph fun.
@ThePhan7em Yeah fair comment that, for everyday use the megane would be the best, loveley car. I would take a White RS personally,
Um like you said that renault is the upgraded version no wonder why it won try it againg the updated focus the focus rs500!
WE DONT NO WHAT CONDITION CARS WAS WHAT FUEL TEI USE AND DIRES OR UPGRADES and drivers is different .
focus not bad driver but finis is not good some error and what conditions dires is and full tank or something else
Impressive
Quick re-map in the Focus and away it goes. The megane is a seriously good car but with an extra 500cc in the focus and the meganes lump being pretty unexciting (quite a limited cylinder head design) comparing the two in a straight line is as stupid as comparing them in corners!
@grahamek86 good to know that you can wait, are you saying for me to buy a modern phone? wow now that i read what i said it doesnt make sense sorry
@carpetmonstero true say,almost everyone who has focus rs has it remaped buy saying that doesnt mean megane is shit for the money i think its great and but it doesnt stand a chance againt rs.
Focus RS 500 Monster !
i love the megane rs sport
You miss the start. If you have a good start the distance is evan bigger.
Then don't forget to factor in the £1989 insurance premium increase
Wezzerm holy smokes (I’m not in the UK). If the car was mapped how would insurance even know? I mean, if 10 yr old cars are involved in accidents are the insurers going to front up every time with OBD devices to download and analyse calibration values?
So my brand new Yaris GRMN and Is quicker than a Focus RS in the 1/4 mile and it's only costing me £109 a month.....I win.
@stevesikora97
2a)
After this kind of run in a right line take interests just for fun & noob kids because a true performance is on a true road or a full track
And there I notify to you to see the chronos of the MRS3 even with 60hp less vs the Focus RS 305hp on the most famous tracks around the world, Nurburgring, Hokeineim, Le Castellet, Silverstones, etc...
like was said before, they are comparing a megane rs tuned, if you dont afford a focus if you can buy a focus rs good for you and tuned, even better. But for the renault money you dont buy a ford, 10k its a huge diference. Great cars
Thing about ford is that it should have been an AWD or RWD it just doesnt put power down quick enough
J'adore cette megane
Matt's been drag racing longer than Dominic Torreto lol.
awsome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
new megane 4control in 2017
2.0 T (orig. 250HP) vs. 2.5T (306 HP) yes it's not a fair test:D
While French hatchbacks have better cornering ability than most cars - Never mock the Focus chassis as it's better than most people think & The Revo Knuckle will pull the RS out of the corners better than The Megane could ever hope to do, but then again it all depends on the driver's capability anyway.
When first released some focus rs only produced around 280bhp so the outcome is unsurprising
tim brownridge true my friend bought his focus rs brand new after a year or 2 he put it on the dyno ... only to see he only had 273 hp
I thought I recognise that voice it's car wow
It sounds epic, faster than a focus rs in gear.....until mr focus spends the same £400 on a dream science map
YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH !
megane rs is not stock
Power ! No shit it says it in the video
Hand on heart the new civic type R would destroy both cars lol yes! I'm a big honda fanboy.
But if I had to pick it has to be the megane, because it reminds me of my first hot hatch I ever owned...the renault 5 gt turbo. Not in looks or anything just the charm renault hot hatches have. Maybe I really have a soft spot for racy renault's.
Don't get me wrong, the RS is an awesome car in all departments.
Alan Ton Megane RS is like... 5 years old? Which means... A LOT in the "car world". The new Renault Megane RS in 2016 will obliterate Type R on the Nurburgring... just as THIS one obliterated EVERY other Type R.
Eazy E haha. Well just have to wait and see.
Eazy E you can't really compare this rs to the fn2 or ep3 because both are NA and the rs is running boost.
If you put a big fat blower on the k20 I don't think it would stand a chance. Sorry.
Alan Ton"
Hand on heart the new civic type R would destroy both cars lol yes! I'm a big honda fanboy." I'm talking about stock cars. You're comparing newest car to an old car, what's the point? Which difference is bigger 1 year or 5 years? Of course 5 years, so wait a year more for the new Megane RS and you'll see.
you can see the format for carwow begging to come together in this video :)
Yep and remap the focus & the focus would easily pull away
Megane won by the narrowest of margins, everywhere else we call that a car length, that's with loads of wheelspin and Mat Watson who notoriously cannot drive manual, even to this day on CarWow
a stock 265 trophy will still beat a stock focus rs on the drag strip and will make the focus spew around a track.
nice roling
focus looks better, better built sounds 10 x better and is a 2.5 torque is so important these days, reasons why i bought the ford
ok then, superchips vs the RS500? anyone?
Ford has to use a Volvo motor to establish some form of “hot hatch pedigree” 😣.. unlike the good old F4RT motor
that is just the regular rs. tehy also have the 500
This is not a pointless comparison at all. The main point of this video is to show the differences between the mapped and stock Megane RS.....YES?? Then the guy even says, that the map gives the megane the same power as the Focus RS, They then a have a bit of fun and the Renault comes out on top. This video is not measuring the megane and the focus, just saying that for a few hundred pounds, you can have something faster than the RS.
Focus RS Ring time was with a 2009 car ( Approx 30bhp down on later models ) & a later model could make the times closer than they are !
Day to day driving on the roads - there's fuck all between them.
Sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of conversation, So i'll leave you to chat to yourself on that one.
@Wardy11111ify lol, so true but the RS has a 2.5L and the only way the 250 could compete is with the remap. Im not going to lie, the RS is better looking and sounds better buy for the savings on the car and fule, 250 wins.
I wonder why they never put the chip on the RS? Maybe because it'd of pummelled the megane!
lloyd dixon have fun with..
Terrible quality
Bad body work
Unreliable engine
Shit engine sound compared with an Rs
Loads of Renault Megane rally history, oh wait..
What does RS even stand for on the Megane? "Really Shit" by any chance?
And a Renault badge..
Tyler Ainsworth But to be fair the Megane is a pretty good track car.
lloyd dixon
Ive owned the MK1 Focus RS, and clio 172/182 and to be fair the reputation of cheap and flimsy is fairly accurate on the older renaults. I really like the new megane though and sitting one you can tell reanult has worked hard on upgrading the quality of the interior. Just wondering if you have had any problems with your at all?
You can buy a good Megane RS for 12k now which is around 6k cheaper than a budget RS. I dont think the MK2 RS looks as good as the mk1 in my opinion and its worth noting the engine is always shy of 300bhp, probably need a remap to make the claimed 300bhp lol. But driving the mk1 it always felt special while driving it, the boost was strong and felt like an aggressive car which is why im still torn