My favourite is the megane despite being a big vw fan but for this test they are using the wrong megane, they should be comparing the focus and golf to the r26 not the r26r. Its like comparing a Mercedes touring car to an audi rs4. The megane is a toy more than a regular hot hatch which is a compromise between workhorse and a race horse
The Focus RS also. The mk6 Golfs have all rusted away or suffered fatal engine failures due to broken pistons or streched/snapped timing chains by now.
What a diabolical review! If you interview a bunch of yuppie badge snobs from London, of course they're all going to choose the dull Golf, if it was a skip with a VW, Audi, BMW or Merc badge pressed on, the snobs would choose it every time. The Megane is a serious track car but too serious for everyday use. The Focus has the best blend of practicality and lunacy, plus you get a lovely 5pot warble to boot! RS every time!
As a hot hatch owner and enthusiast one of the things I look for is a good engine sound and exhaust note. I think the 5 pot in the Focus wins that round.
Great video, I drive a GTI VI and just really happy on how it works every day, is the best product to drive each day of the week and not just on the weekend.
@Charette212 If you mean plastic windows and other features which R26.R doesn't have is this because it is racing car and it is not car for every day. This car for the racetrack and it must be as light as it could be. If you want sports megane for every day, you should look for standard megane RS.
@SLOMatej I live in Canada we have no Megane car here im just giving you my point has a neutral observer. Maybe its fast but god I think it look bad! What the point of testing a track car with those 2 road car?
Can someone explain to me why the R26R is being compared to the RS and GTI? It seems bizarre that an all out track day weapon is being compared to two cars which are just hot hatches. The R26R is a great car but would it still fair as well if both the GTI and the RS were given the same treatment?
RS looks great in green or orange, went for the Gti myself for balance of fuel economy/performance, DSG gearbox is superb though racer types might find it just too smooth.
End of the day, Focus is best. Most power, awesome handling, and its also very comfort. It has properties from both cars, GTi and R26R so its clear winner... Remember, it also looks and sounds best.
I do agree the Golf R is too much. And Renaults have their issues and some friends have had trouble with VW's. I thankfully have not had issues with my VW. But you've made a good point.
@Mailme81 The regular Golf GTi is what they are testing here and that has 200bhp or 230bhp for the 'Edition 30' model.. The 'R' model is nearly £4000 more expensive than the Focus RS and that is before you add any extras to the Golf 'R' It's just my opinion that they are not good value at those inflated prices, and also not such a 'premium product' that is worth that extra money..... I have owned them myself and they gave me far more trouble and expense than 10 years owning Ford's Focus models..
@haz17tg Actually you're wrong. Being slightly less powerful than the other 2 doesn't make it "rubbish" Actually the Megane is "rubbish at being a hot hatch" because the only thing it can do is track days. It has a floppy plastic rear "window" and the interior is full of roll cages which means you can't put any people in it or items in the back. it all comes down to the RS or GTI, and that's a choice of which you prefer more from a comfort/performance bias
put 300 bhp in megane and not that it would have wobbly steering wheel, probably the wheels would fall off when you would pedal to the metal because of the power. and besides... yes, i would like to have fun on the road with my car... but i occasionally i want to hear some music and go on the highway sometimes... so which car i wanna rather choose? and there is a matter of price... golf is almost 10k € more expensive than focus... if you don't have extra 10k... again, what would you choose...?
@nobby2000 oh right I did t realise you were comparing GTI. That's a different market of car. Golf R is the Focus competitor. My whole point is that if actually sit/drive in one, you might they are actually a fantastic proposition for the money.
The Golf IS the best hot hatch, it looks classy and cool. Most comfortable, best materials used. I used to say that golf gti were boring until I bought a mk6 golf gt tsi, not quite a gti but still a very comfortable, practical car. They are hatch backs after all so if you aren't looking for grown up styling, comfortable and practical then Don't Buy hatch back. Simple.
@Eastwoodzs rs defo m8 i totally agree and although i cant drive it will be more fun t have to work in the corners than just piddle round them like the other 2 torque steer to me is POWER
@SLOMatej This isn't about which is faster on a track. This is a best all-around hot hatch test. Which the GTI definitely wins hands down. The Reno may be the fastest on the track but i doubt anybody would buy a daily driver with a racing harness and no stereo. Now if the competition was about a pure racing/ track car then I would chose the Reno but I would get a nice warranty for when it starts to break =]
Don't get me wrong VW's are very good I just personally just don't think they justify the price tag. Hope you don't have any problems either which one do you have?
this test was supposed to decide which is the best hot hatch? what happened? why ask yuppies what they will think of the hot hatches when they arent the target market of these cars ... this test has quite a different result to top gears test.. they said the Focus RS was easy to use as a everyday car and is quiet and comfortable to drive.
@javisfsr 2c) & the only fact is that Peugeot is the WC 2010, no Audi Audi take interest for the races type Le Mans Series since more decades than Peugeot who taken interest more for Rally or African rally races (since the beggining of the 20th century even)
@sodazman 3b-end) For example look at my current "little" Clio 2 RS1 in my playsit on it on my channel... You will not see visuals tuning on it, a perfect stock Clio 2 RS1 in the appearance But look at also its performances... not the performances of a stock Clio 2 RS1 ^^
@beatboxbys "Fix or repair daily" where does that come from..?? The Fords of old maybe..?? I'm on my 3rd Focus and I have never had any problems with ANY of them. Apart from wear and tear items and servicing they have never let me down ever and that's in ten years of driving them...
why argue lol they are all awesome cars be glad that we have the option now, focus for me though 300bhp is irrisistable and they now have over 400bhp with tuning :)
You say that like its a blowout victory. Reality is the Ford was at least not a world away in 3 of the 4 tests. If the scoring were different and 2 points were awarded for the winner, 1 point for runner-up and so on, the Ford was trailing by all of 1 point. The fourth test is so subjective it could probably be thrown out altogether, bringing it to another group of people could completely negate it.
Well it's an easy choice here in N America, we only have one of these to choose. Hopefully we get some other makes of hatches in the next decade or so (Renault, pleeeeaaase!)
@javisfsr 3c-end) But in spite of that in few years Peugeot built itself a great palmares & victories in all the famous races of Le Mans Series also !! Thus it is even greatest to see that a builder's Sport cars like Peugeot won in littler time all the races in Le Mans Series where others won it in several decades ^^
@haz17tg A hot hach is a car to use everyday, not a racing car. It supose to be comfortable and fast... and the Golf is who does it better, that´s what they are saying.
focus isnt thaaaat quick though a 10 yr old standard fiat coupe 20vt does 0-100 in the same time put a chip and exhaust on it and its seeya focus so not all about horsepower theres weight to consider
So if you're looking for a space, confort and apparence -> VW BUT if you're looking for performances and sensations -> Renault RS. I will add that, according to last German ADAC report, the Renault Megane is the most reliable one AND the Ford the less one...
the GTI isn't meant to be the sportiest in its class.. Its supposed to be for people who use it every day. people who want a small car with good trunk capacity and high build quality. It's little more of a 'mature' hot hatch. But based on this review, the non-GTI version would have also won lol
@haz17tg You just havent driven one. they are so sturdy, nicest inside, and even though they are FWD handle so well. Its like saying you would rather an 11 sec rotor than a 12sec M3.
@protestthisaccount You can also buy standard megane RS with all this features, but it also drive better than golf. Chassis is on megane simply the best. Renault Sport has a reputation and tradition, their products are everywhere considered one of the best, but if you and the rest of the VW fans like it or not.
@hakod 1a) it is YOUR point of view of guy who dont like French in the base especially & it is much more different ^^ We dont see your country in your strange channel but I think, i'm sure even from an anglo-saxon country or on big influences of anglo-saxon countries to write that you wrote...
They shouldn't compare the GTI with the R26R and the RS; instead of GTI they should use the Golf R for a better handle and higher power. Since the RS and the R26R are top of the line, but the GTI wasn't.
@tequisport What the hell is the point of a hatchback when you've got a roll cage in the way of everything? The purpose of the hatchback is to be practical and fun. If you want a fun car that's not practical you're far better served by buying a rwd coupe!
Haha good reply. I like all 3 but in reality it really is land slide, golf got award world car of the year and it was barely out basically that perfect. I don't mean to put any of them down but it is not all in racing and track its about everything style quality design inside out and that performance and GTI won by far yet alone that R class that would beat R26R and RS which in my opinion RS only belongs to one production and that is Audi and upcoming RS3 with no competition in this segment.
@nobby2000 hey I can't fully agree. The golf has 265HP anyway not 200. Its also has AWD which instantly makes it better on more surfaces. To a 100 and quarter mile the R is quicker. Add in some rain or dirt and it gets worse for the Focus. All this whilst being an a car that looks like a sleeper an built like a brick. I like the focus. It's raw etc.. But I value the cabin as much as the supposed speed your suggesting the RS has.
Ford 305 bhp 0-62 6sec, Megane 227 bhp 0-62 6sec, Golf 208 bhp 0-62 5.9sec, Golf R 270 bhp 0-62 5.5sec. Golf World car of the year 2009, Golf 4 types of World engine of the year awards. Golf = I rather have car that will enjoy driving as long as i have it in any type of roads conditions that be straight corners rough roads and more, than Ford & Megane = a car that will be fun for short time and rest it is just there and feels like things are falling apart when driven. So Golf does win by far.
You call this a hot hatch test ???!!! If you had focus, meagne and Golf 1.4 Lt or 1.6 then you tst practicality, room, etc. Such cars should be only tested and compared in acceleration, handling, cornerning, braking and test lap in a race ...
Can't understand why people rave about VW build quality. Too expensive. Spec one up with leather and some options and you will be thousands more expensive than the equivalent Ford, Renault or Vauxhall etc. They aren't any better built to command that extra premium price..
it's a bit pointless: the r26r is closer to a track car than a genuine hot hatch, all striped out. it should be out of the test I would preffer the ford's extreme image and racy interior to the golf's more civilized character. I mean a stock fwd car with a 305bhp is an extreme idea, hence it looks extreme. Oh and we used to have pre-facelift mk2 focus, believe me, it's VERY practical. I'd have an RS and not care if people find it looks bad or boy-racer. But the GTI is iconic and respectable
Both competitions to GTI are top of their range where Golf is not if R was there it would own even more the two. GTI did not win in windy roads but that was pretty good cornering and stuck in perfectly maybe not the same sporty feel everything else the same. Do you think you will be driving around streets like that, NEVER. Everything else it won comfort style looks quality reality design inside out GTI wins.
@Karlosovic77 if u want, image respectability and practicallity; and dont care about performance why not a volvo??? honda??? The Focus and the Megane inteed to be fun and pasion....(excuse my english)
This whole thread comes down to just 2 thoughts - 1. The fastest is the best and screw all other criteria 2. The GTI is a bit less in terms of performance but a lot more in terms of Quality, Style, Comfort, Respectability, Image, Practicality I bought the GTI because 99% of my wheel time is 'normal driving' and i prefer the quality, but even though I normally can't stand Fords, the new Focus is a pretty good car. I'm sorry but the Megane is stupid in the real world
ford focus rs ftw. In every country and in the UK too is the Ford Focus RS the hot hatch back but you say no it's the GTI? In top gear same car's Ford focus RS won! So i think this is not a good test.
@cumbas Fair comment and I'm certainly not Anti-French. But the current WRC championship is a joke. There are only Citroen and Ford in it..!!! 2 manufacturers does not make a very good championship. Also being at the top in any field of motorsport, does not necessarily mean that manufacturer will produce good or interesting road cars for the consumer....
Yeah for example compare the two sport models of the Golf and Leon (R and Cupra R) Exact same engine. Leon Cupra Base £24,500 ish. Golf R base £31,500, Then compare this to the Megane RS £26,000. My first car was a Seat Ibiza with a Vw engine and that broke pretty swift. Yeah I have driven a Renault my mates Clio and it has a problem where sometimes when your idling at a junction and put the clutch down it stalls. Horrendous error. The bonnet wont close sometimes, Just average cars.
@Mailme81 "Man once you sit in a GOLF you will be blown away" Yes, very probably, at the lights by an RS Focus..!!!!!!! No substitute for cubes 2.5litre v's 2litre, and power 300bhp v's 200bhp....
@hakod 2a) and you forget to speak especially about ONE MAIN THING : the number of participations in these race's car competitions !! & thus tha ratio "Victories/ numbers of participations" & there the French automaders sport cars are so far the 1st before all others Nations since 30 years now Your can search anti-French guy...
@XxCHEUNGERSxX lol me for one. I had an 2009 Ultimate green lux 1, but got fed up of getting attention from teenagers in Saxos and my mrs moaning that she was embarrassed to go out in it. I consequently chopped it in for a Golf R four months after buying it new. Don't get me wrong, the RS is an amazing piece of machinery (especially when considering it's only FWD), but it does have a severe image problem - as proved in this video. The build quality is pretty crap too.
it did not win by far, that was the point... It won, but not by alot. It was only just better than the ford in cargo space, and highway ride, and the last test was completely inconsequential, at least to anyone who isn't a sheep. There isn't a gap as big as you're making it out to be.
Good tests! So basically I am going to buy a GTI to go to ikea and carry huge cardboard boxes in it, and get admired by girls carrying champagne glasses around ( 4:37 )... as opposed to the dude with an Aston that just parked across the street (she definitely wouldn't admire him) . Surely I wouldn't mind getting my ass kicked at traffic lights by a focus rs or drift into a tree while trying to keep up with a renault r26r. That's good advice right there.
imotor/auto express/top gear etc are all for joe public not proper hot hatch fans,they just like good all rounders.integra type r/clio trophy/megane R26R best FWD drivers cars
That comparison is funny... VW made the Golf only for commuting and that's it. The Ford Focus is only good when you're gping on holidays down the mountain twisty roads. The Renault is a track car... It's like comparing apples, oranges.....and redbull....
My favourite is the megane despite being a big vw fan but for this test they are using the wrong megane, they should be comparing the focus and golf to the r26 not the r26r.
Its like comparing a Mercedes touring car to an audi rs4. The megane is a toy more than a regular hot hatch which is a compromise between workhorse and a race horse
Funny how the R26R has held its value out of all of them and a future classic
The Focus RS also. The mk6 Golfs have all rusted away or suffered fatal engine failures due to broken pistons or streched/snapped timing chains by now.
What a diabolical review! If you interview a bunch of yuppie badge snobs from London, of course they're all going to choose the dull Golf, if it was a skip with a VW, Audi, BMW or Merc badge pressed on, the snobs would choose it every time. The Megane is a serious track car but too serious for everyday use. The Focus has the best blend of practicality and lunacy, plus you get a lovely 5pot warble to boot! RS every time!
As a hot hatch owner and enthusiast one of the things I look for is a good engine sound and exhaust note. I think the 5 pot in the Focus wins that round.
Great video, I drive a GTI VI and just really happy on how it works every day, is the best product to drive each day of the week and not just on the weekend.
4:27 - "it's French"
I'll buy this guy a beer! :D
@Charette212 If you mean plastic windows and other features which R26.R doesn't have is this because it is racing car and it is not car for every day. This car for the racetrack and it must be as light as it could be. If you want sports megane for every day, you should look for standard megane RS.
Megane has the best handling; Golf has the best appeareance and Focus is pure power
@Airox2009 maybe not the megane but thats designed to be a track car.. but its more than a match for the rs check out some lap times
The Golf is definately the best all rounder, it ticks all the boxes and is understated, SUPERB!!!!
@SLOMatej I live in Canada we have no Megane car here im just giving you my point has a neutral observer. Maybe its fast but god I think it look bad! What the point of testing a track car with those 2 road car?
@cumbas
Does Renault winning Le Mans, WRC or F1 make the Focus or the GTi less capable or desirable hatchbacks than the Megane?
Can someone explain to me why the R26R is being compared to the RS and GTI? It seems bizarre that an all out track day weapon is being compared to two cars which are just hot hatches. The R26R is a great car but would it still fair as well if both the GTI and the RS were given the same treatment?
You can only choose three colors for the RS, Green, White and Blue. Orange is just for the ST.
RS looks great in green or orange, went for the Gti myself for balance of fuel economy/performance, DSG gearbox is superb though racer types might find it just too smooth.
End of the day, Focus is best. Most power, awesome handling, and its also very comfort. It has properties from both cars, GTi and R26R so its clear winner...
Remember, it also looks and sounds best.
I do agree the Golf R is too much. And Renaults have their issues and some friends have had trouble with VW's. I thankfully have not had issues with my VW. But you've made a good point.
@Mailme81 The regular Golf GTi is what they are testing here and that has 200bhp or 230bhp for the 'Edition 30' model.. The 'R' model is nearly £4000 more expensive than the Focus RS and that is before you add any extras to the Golf 'R' It's just my opinion that they are not good value at those inflated prices, and also not such a 'premium product' that is worth that extra money..... I have owned them myself and they gave me far more trouble and expense than 10 years owning Ford's Focus models..
@haz17tg Actually you're wrong.
Being slightly less powerful than the other 2 doesn't make it "rubbish"
Actually the Megane is "rubbish at being a hot hatch" because the only thing it can do is track days. It has a floppy plastic rear "window" and the interior is full of roll cages which means you can't put any people in it or items in the back.
it all comes down to the RS or GTI, and that's a choice of which you prefer more from a comfort/performance bias
Why the golf GTI and not the R20 or R32 (or the Golf 24 with 440hp??)
put 300 bhp in megane and not that it would have wobbly steering wheel, probably the wheels would fall off when you would pedal to the metal because of the power. and besides... yes, i would like to have fun on the road with my car... but i occasionally i want to hear some music and go on the highway sometimes... so which car i wanna rather choose? and there is a matter of price... golf is almost 10k € more expensive than focus... if you don't have extra 10k... again, what would you choose...?
@nobby2000 oh right I did t realise you were comparing GTI. That's a different market of car. Golf R is the Focus competitor. My whole point is that if actually sit/drive in one, you might they are actually a fantastic proposition for the money.
and for relibilty,plese even a Brabus Tuned Benz have problems if you watch Fith gear...
you need to test 1 more hot hatch the mazda speed 3 the new one it will be a good contender for the gti in all aspects
it probably would have but its not in the same price range. Golf R is about 5K more than the rest of these hatches
The Golf IS the best hot hatch, it looks classy and cool.
Most comfortable, best materials used.
I used to say that golf gti were boring until I bought a mk6 golf gt tsi, not quite a gti but still a very comfortable, practical car.
They are hatch backs after all so if you aren't looking for grown up styling, comfortable and practical then Don't Buy hatch back.
Simple.
@Eastwoodzs rs defo m8 i totally agree and although i cant drive it will be more fun t have to work in the corners than just piddle round them like the other 2 torque steer to me is POWER
What the hell! This guy does reviews for everyone!
The golf doesn't deserve to be there, swap it for a type r or cupra r Then you'll have 3 hot hatches, not 2 hot hatches and something my nan drives.
@SLOMatej
This isn't about which is faster on a track. This is a best all-around hot hatch test. Which the GTI definitely wins hands down. The Reno may be the fastest on the track but i doubt anybody would buy a daily driver with a racing harness and no stereo. Now if the competition was about a pure racing/ track car then I would chose the Reno but I would get a nice warranty for when it starts to break =]
Don't get me wrong VW's are very good I just personally just don't think they justify the price tag. Hope you don't have any problems either which one do you have?
Where is that road! I wanna drive on it!
Why is the Subaru STI hatch never really classified as a "hot hatch"?
this test was supposed to decide which is the best hot hatch? what happened?
why ask yuppies what they will think of the hot hatches when they arent the target market of these cars ...
this test has quite a different result to top gears test.. they said the Focus RS was easy to use as a everyday car and is quiet and comfortable to drive.
@javisfsr
2c)
& the only fact is that Peugeot is the WC 2010, no Audi
Audi take interest for the races type Le Mans Series since more decades than Peugeot who taken interest more for Rally or African rally races (since the beggining of the 20th century even)
@sodazman
3b-end)
For example look at my current "little" Clio 2 RS1 in my playsit on it on my channel...
You will not see visuals tuning on it, a perfect stock Clio 2 RS1 in the appearance
But look at also its performances...
not the performances of a stock Clio 2 RS1 ^^
@cumbas ejem........ how many Peugeots broke during the 24h of Le Mans? How many times Audi have won Peugeot?
my friend just baught the megane yesterday that very one with the same reg! its 270bhp now
My dad owns the exact Focus RS in the video EO09UPC, running 400+ bhp now 😃
@SuicidalLooney
lol
I know perfectly that youngman
but between the model of Production and the model of the WRC there is a big world of differences
@Aspireonthego but i live in america..and im sure they have great small little cars over there,like the fiesta..but im not interested in that.
@Turbostylaaa
Focus RS engine is from Volvo, not from Ford. Volvo has a long way making 5 cylinder engines.
Wow, I didn't recognize Matt Watson.
@beatboxbys "Fix or repair daily" where does that come from..?? The Fords of old maybe..?? I'm on my 3rd Focus and I have never had any problems with ANY of them. Apart from wear and tear items and servicing they have never let me down ever and that's in ten years of driving them...
rs is the best i think!!!pure power...
why argue lol they are all awesome cars be glad that we have the option now, focus for me though 300bhp is irrisistable and they now have over 400bhp with tuning :)
You say that like its a blowout victory. Reality is the Ford was at least not a world away in 3 of the 4 tests. If the scoring were different and 2 points were awarded for the winner, 1 point for runner-up and so on, the Ford was trailing by all of 1 point. The fourth test is so subjective it could probably be thrown out altogether, bringing it to another group of people could completely negate it.
Well it's an easy choice here in N America, we only have one of these to choose. Hopefully we get some other makes of hatches in the next decade or so (Renault, pleeeeaaase!)
The Focus RS is the most accurate of all 3 ... and it has racing pedigree ... i'd choose it.
@javisfsr
3c-end)
But in spite of that in few years Peugeot built itself a great palmares & victories in all the famous races of Le Mans Series also !!
Thus it is even greatest to see that a builder's Sport cars like Peugeot won in littler time all the races in Le Mans Series where others won it in several decades ^^
@PerfectByDesign
In a drift?!?!?! How about none of these are rwd.....
@haz17tg A hot hach is a car to use everyday, not a racing car. It supose to be comfortable and fast... and the Golf is who does it better, that´s what they are saying.
focus isnt thaaaat quick though a 10 yr old standard fiat coupe 20vt does 0-100 in the same time put a chip and exhaust on it and its seeya focus so not all about horsepower theres weight to consider
lol @ all the haters. This is a solid review, any reasonable person with any hint of knowledge about cars would know this. Good Job.
So if you're looking for a space, confort and apparence -> VW
BUT
if you're looking for performances and sensations -> Renault RS.
I will add that, according to last German ADAC report, the Renault Megane is the most reliable one AND the Ford the less one...
No argue there, i just figured they test hatches that are below 25k
the GTI isn't meant to be the sportiest in its class.. Its supposed to be for people who use it every day. people who want a small car with good trunk capacity and high build quality. It's little more of a 'mature' hot hatch. But based on this review, the non-GTI version would have also won lol
@haz17tg You just havent driven one. they are so sturdy, nicest inside, and even though they are FWD handle so well. Its like saying you would rather an 11 sec rotor than a 12sec M3.
@protestthisaccount You can also buy standard megane RS with all this features, but it also drive better than golf. Chassis is on megane simply the best. Renault Sport has a reputation and tradition, their products are everywhere considered one of the best, but if you and the rest of the VW fans like it or not.
@hakod
1a)
it is YOUR point of view of guy who dont like French in the base especially & it is much more different ^^
We dont see your country in your strange channel but I think, i'm sure even from an anglo-saxon country or on big influences of anglo-saxon countries to write that you wrote...
They shouldn't compare the GTI with the R26R and the RS; instead of GTI they should use the Golf R for a better handle and higher power. Since the RS and the R26R are top of the line, but the GTI wasn't.
over priced? They are all around the same price range and you ever owned a renault?
@tequisport
What the hell is the point of a hatchback when you've got a roll cage in the way of everything? The purpose of the hatchback is to be practical and fun. If you want a fun car that's not practical you're far better served by buying a rwd coupe!
Wow this is Matt Watson from carwow?
Haha good reply. I like all 3 but in reality it really is land slide, golf got award world car of the year and it was barely out basically that perfect. I don't mean to put any of them down but it is not all in racing and track its about everything style quality design inside out and that performance and GTI won by far yet alone that R class that would beat R26R and RS which in my opinion RS only belongs to one production and that is Audi and upcoming RS3 with no competition in this segment.
@nobby2000 hey I can't fully agree. The golf has 265HP anyway not 200. Its also has AWD which instantly makes it better on more surfaces. To a 100 and quarter mile the R is quicker. Add in some rain or dirt and it gets worse for the Focus. All this whilst being an a car that looks like a sleeper an built like a brick. I like the focus. It's raw etc.. But I value the cabin as much as the supposed speed your suggesting the RS has.
if they put the golf r and not the gti, it would also win the fun test
Ford 305 bhp 0-62 6sec, Megane 227 bhp 0-62 6sec, Golf 208 bhp 0-62 5.9sec, Golf R 270 bhp 0-62 5.5sec.
Golf World car of the year 2009, Golf 4 types of World engine of the year awards. Golf = I rather have car that will enjoy driving as long as i have it in any type of roads conditions that be straight corners rough roads and more, than Ford & Megane = a car that will be fun for short time and rest it is just there and feels like things are falling apart when driven. So Golf does win by far.
You call this a hot hatch test ???!!!
If you had focus, meagne and Golf 1.4 Lt or 1.6 then you tst practicality, room, etc.
Such cars should be only tested and compared in acceleration, handling, cornerning, braking and test lap in a race ...
I think that for car to be "hot hatch" it must have front wheel drive.
you should have tested Golf R with these two..
Dont know but i wish someone would have kept him in the boot of the GTI!
What are they on about, the focus RS in stunning
@Boomboom11 sorry i meant to say just a flat race , and no r26 Last !
Can't understand why people rave about VW build quality. Too expensive. Spec one up with leather and some options and you will be thousands more expensive than the equivalent Ford, Renault or Vauxhall etc. They aren't any better built to command that extra premium price..
it's a bit pointless:
the r26r is closer to a track car than a genuine hot hatch, all striped out. it should be out of the test
I would preffer the ford's extreme image and racy interior to the golf's more civilized character. I mean a stock fwd car with a 305bhp is an extreme idea, hence it looks extreme. Oh and we used to have pre-facelift mk2 focus, believe me, it's VERY practical.
I'd have an RS and not care if people find it looks bad or boy-racer. But the GTI is iconic and respectable
Both competitions to GTI are top of their range where Golf is not if R was there it would own even more the two. GTI did not win in windy roads but that was pretty good cornering and stuck in perfectly maybe not the same sporty feel everything else the same. Do you think you will be driving around streets like that, NEVER. Everything else it won comfort style looks quality reality design inside out GTI wins.
@26granittmava26
You can keep it mate....
its the way they loaded the boxes differently thats why the golf seemingly won even though the rs has a bigger boot :S
The Golf GTI is just the best!!!! I think I might get one now ;D
@Karlosovic77 if u want, image respectability and practicallity; and dont care about performance why not a volvo??? honda??? The Focus and the Megane inteed to be fun and pasion....(excuse my english)
This whole thread comes down to just 2 thoughts -
1. The fastest is the best and screw all other criteria
2. The GTI is a bit less in terms of performance but a lot more in terms of Quality, Style, Comfort, Respectability, Image, Practicality
I bought the GTI because 99% of my wheel time is 'normal driving' and i prefer the quality, but even though I normally can't stand Fords, the new Focus is a pretty good car. I'm sorry but the Megane is stupid in the real world
ford focus rs ftw. In every country and in the UK too is the Ford Focus RS the hot hatch back but you say no it's the GTI? In top gear same car's Ford focus RS won! So i think this is not a good test.
@cumbas Fair comment and I'm certainly not Anti-French. But the current WRC championship is a joke. There are only Citroen and Ford in it..!!! 2 manufacturers does not make a very good championship. Also being at the top in any field of motorsport, does not necessarily mean that manufacturer will produce good or interesting road cars for the consumer....
Yeah for example compare the two sport models of the Golf and Leon (R and Cupra R) Exact same engine. Leon Cupra Base £24,500 ish. Golf R base £31,500, Then compare this to the Megane RS £26,000. My first car was a Seat Ibiza with a Vw engine and that broke pretty swift. Yeah I have driven a Renault my mates Clio and it has a problem where sometimes when your idling at a junction and put the clutch down it stalls. Horrendous error. The bonnet wont close sometimes, Just average cars.
@Mailme81 "Man once you sit in a GOLF you will be blown away"
Yes, very probably, at the lights by an RS Focus..!!!!!!! No substitute for cubes 2.5litre v's 2litre, and power 300bhp v's 200bhp....
i'd say its unprofessional to compare Focus RS or Megane with a safety cage to a golf GTI... compare it to the golf R, and the GTI to Focus ST...
"And Craig? He chose the Renault. Because it's the only one left."
LmaoXD
That's a crap test you asked the opinions of snobs rather than the people that would actually drive them, I vote the megane!
@hakod
2a)
and you forget to speak especially about ONE MAIN THING :
the number of participations in these race's car competitions !!
& thus tha ratio "Victories/ numbers of participations"
& there the French automaders sport cars are so far the 1st before all others Nations since 30 years now
Your can search anti-French guy...
@maliksba yeah but was only the GTI it should be R32 :) that`s the rival in this category GG golf
@XxCHEUNGERSxX lol me for one. I had an 2009 Ultimate green lux 1, but got fed up of getting attention from teenagers in Saxos and my mrs moaning that she was embarrassed to go out in it. I consequently chopped it in for a Golf R four months after buying it new. Don't get me wrong, the RS is an amazing piece of machinery (especially when considering it's only FWD), but it does have a severe image problem - as proved in this video. The build quality is pretty crap too.
VW the best, did you expect anything different? And now with the Golf R smashes its competition.
the gti doesnt compare to the other two, if it was an R32 then that would be a better comparison
it did not win by far, that was the point...
It won, but not by alot.
It was only just better than the ford in cargo space, and highway ride, and the last test was completely inconsequential, at least to anyone who isn't a sheep. There isn't a gap as big as you're making it out to be.
Good tests! So basically I am going to buy a GTI to go to ikea and carry huge cardboard boxes in it, and get admired by girls carrying champagne glasses around ( 4:37 )... as opposed to the dude with an Aston that just parked across the street (she definitely wouldn't admire him) . Surely I wouldn't mind getting my ass kicked at traffic lights by a focus rs or drift into a tree while trying to keep up with a renault r26r. That's good advice right there.
Ford RS all the way,it's a working class hero.
@caseyryeback1913 skoda uses Fsi 2;)
imotor/auto express/top gear etc are all for joe public not proper hot hatch fans,they just like good all rounders.integra type r/clio trophy/megane R26R best FWD drivers cars
That comparison is funny...
VW made the Golf only for commuting and that's it.
The Ford Focus is only good when you're gping on holidays down the mountain twisty roads.
The Renault is a track car...
It's like comparing apples, oranges.....and redbull....
Because they know it is too good for the competition.