I've always noticed that most people love getting the chance to be mean as long as they have a perceived moral justification. They get off on it and relish the opportunity to humiliate or damage someone as long as they're not judged by their peers.
yes that's why when you say something they think they can attack you on they say "oh,oh" with such glee, lots of people are run by hate and resentment and feel it's justified because they don't have what they perceive you have without any appreciation for the work involved so will be cruel given half the chance and we learn it young look how mean kids can be they will find a button and press it over and over.
What shocks me, is that this selfish and childish behavior is seen in more and more 'adults' as well! Especially Americans have my utter loathing in this regard, because they are very into 'you may never judge'. Which is total nonsense of course, since people judge literally all the time. So, if you do speak up about something, one of those hateful 'you should not judge' figures will spring up and attack you viciously. Then the Whole Hen house runs towards the plucking game and all try to be as mean as possible. I ditched several American platforms because of this ridiculous behavior. For they obviously don't even see that they do the thing they hate, but then improperly.
I did an experiment years ago... I took an online version of the dark triad and tucked the results away. A couple months later I drank a half rack of IPA and took the test again with all the questions sorted differently. In my mind before hand, I figured I would be 10-15 percent, but certainly not over 20 percent more evil when under the influence of alcohol... The actual results socked me, I was 50 percent more evil when I had an alcohol buzz... And that is why I don't drink.
A guy would fight when drinking. He would pick a weaker man and beat the shit out of him. About two years later his buddy said “Did you notice you don’t fight anymore? “ after some heavy thinking they notice the fights stopped after he met his girl friend. She was a Psilocybin mushrooms user. He had never tried them before that.
I've met a few REAL psycho/socio paths in my life. I'm telling you, they cannot be helped. I'm sorry, but it's best to just leave them be. I'm talking about a person who is genuinely incapable of empathy or sympathy, and sometimes they don't even know anything is wrong with their behavior. Yeah, they excel in business and administrative positions, but that's only because they don't hesitate to run over others.
I can feel empathy but only with a lot of thinking and contemplating. I’m starting to think that maybe in the future I may go wrong in the direction of psychopathy.
@@oliverfletcher9052be responsible, and get help. You’ll hurt people, some you won’t want to hurt and you’ll unconsciously come to hate yourself more for that. People will live the rest of their lives affected by the consequences of *your* bad behaviour to the point they’ll never be the same, and not in a good way. Some will lose their job, their partner, their house, their family, etc. This alone should really disturb you. Human beings don’t need to experience something terrible to be able to have empathy, it naturally develops pretty early in childhood, so maybe you were sheltered, shielded or for some reason isolated your entire life that you missed that developmental milestone, and later on, as you aged, you were never deeply harmed for no reason, or unfairly targeted by someone with destructive behaviours, and maybe you’re the type that needs to experience things to understand how bad it is, how bad it hurts and how it affects people… As someone who’s mother embodies the dark tetrade, I’ve been hiding from her for >7y, to keep my children and I safe from everything I know she does (I have proofs and testimonies from other pple to corroborate), and that after she last attacked me and choked me for a lil too long for ‘going against her wishes’ and divorcing my abusive ex-husband (yes he also was, he threatened to take my life to our kids, as a threat to them, last summer, after being divorced for 7y), and she then proceeded to my mortification by triangulating with him, by sharing to everyone I knew, all my close and extended family, her disgustingly manipulated version of events that people would see how ridiculous it is *if they listened* but she made sure no one ever will. I do what I have to to protect myself and my kids as best as I can against her insanity, my ex’s paranoia, and everyone that believed her story without ever contacting me to get my version are a threat to me and considered dead. I need to be that strict to avoid as much as I can giving her anything she can and will certainly distort and use against me, to hurt me and keep me away from telling everyone the truth. I’m fighting to survive as unharmed as possible, with as much sanity I can keep after everything she’s done. I don’t wish you nor my worst enemy to ever experience that. Here’s my semipro tip: be proactive, chose to be a good human being, provide yourself what you need and do what it takes to get there, but don’t wait to get targeted to “be thought a lesson”, because narcs-psycho-sadist-Machiavellian will destroy you and your entire life to the ground doing so. Do something before anything of that horror happens to you. It’s a road easy to go down and fast, that once you’re on, it’s practically impossible to get off. Think wisely.
Many people hugely underestimate how much evil that seemingly normal people are capable of. They don't think that way so they can't imagine what other people can do. Like sheep among the wolves, they're totally unprepared to protect themselves.
@@edennis8578people don't even think about what they themselves are capable of. Most people don't think much at all hence their capacity to cause massive destruction and evil all while pretending to be innocent.
Beat me beat me cried the masochist. No, no said the sadist. On a more serious note, power strongly attracts sociopaths, which is why we get so many bad politicians. Most of us just want to live out our lives in peace.
I'm a veteran and unfortunately have been diagnosed with severe PTSD. What is most frightening is knowing I have killed thousands either by my physical hands or a bomb loaded by my crew and finding rest in the midst of the moral distaste. At times I indulge the thought of their bodies being burned and torn limb from limb and fantasize about being more morally bankrupt than I already am. I hate that about myself. I tell myself that isn't me and I can overcome the evil thoughts. Thankfully, I have God. Without Him, there is no help innocent people. As Paul said " I do the things I do not want to do, and the things I want to do, I do not do. It is no longer I, but the sin that is in me. " When Paul asked for the thorn to be removed, God said no, His grace is sufficient. Thank God it is, for my own soul and the innocent, thank God.
I really appreciate your honest reply. You have PTSD because we aren't created to kill repeatedly without giving up a part of ourselves. Forgive yourself for doing the job you were given to do. Keep sharing until you get relief- like you did today.
I hope you know how the Lord values those who go to war. Defense of your nation is not murder in the sense that He usually sees it. Just look at the book of Joshua, entire civilizations were killed by God’s command in the defense of his holy land and people. I hope you find peace, God bless you.
First of all, I trully wish you the best. Remember that paul was a killer and then became one of the most remarcable saints of all time. Carry your cross man. Give god thanks for your cross and offer your sufferings for all the poor souls. I was gonna join army special forces in my country, but they say that it was required the covid vacine to go outside of the country soo I didnt. And reeding things like what you wrote always makes me thing a lot. We need worriors. Man who lead and protect. But our world is full of polititians, real mafias... I dont want to one day feel bad because I realised I was manipulated, and I was part of the problem not the solution. I wanna go to special forces here to test myself, improve myself facing fears, and to contribute to the safety of my country while im young, and then get out. But Because i dont want to take covid vacine vacine for an huge amount of reasonable reasons, I guess I will never know what it is on the outside world
God places the thorn inside those who can control it. For when it is time to enact God's will, he needs those that are strong enough to wield the thorns.
@jsabh Do check into éating carnivore + intermittent fasting fasting for PTSD. It won't take your memories away, but can heal your gut, which can relieve symptoms. Sounds weird, but it can help greatly. Also check into EMDR. Find a licensed psychologist who does this, or one who focuses on trauma. Avoid "therapists," who can be anyone off the street. Psychiatrists are just medical doctors with little psychology, but fat prescription pads.
Delroy made an interesting point about how the crowd cheers for the violence in the hockey fight, but once someone is clearly hurt they hush, their enjoyment turning to empathy. I think this is similar to how normal people can enjoy the sadism contained within fiction (Mortal Kombat, Game of Thrones, etc.), yet be repulsed by real life violence. There's a "safe zone" of violence, a line where our innate sadism ends and our empathy begins. Personally, I love gory movies yet I can't stomach the local evening news.
Or it's a gradual desensitization to violence. Making your more susceptible to considering violence down the road, come now, did you really think you could look at the darkness for so long and it not look back? Want a clearer mind, do not do as the crowd, recognize and avoid, then will you see it. Then will you cringe.
I agree Laminar, the answer is that desensitization to violence happens over time, but also has a fine line and context is needed. Was a soldier told to kill? He (Most are men; as you'd describe a prisoner in an example as he) is exposed to a new territory of violence as a human being, an encouraged and congratulated violence. Was a persons house broken into? Was a man road raging and you defended yourself? These are all examples of the context I am referring to. Society decides the line with empathy and calls it law, and the point that I think is to be made is that some only mimmick your empathy in order to blend in, so that most humans are indeed empathetic to a degree, but some are so much further away from the empathy others may feel that we may as well call it two different words. An example of the empathy that some may feel and others may not: Someone says to their friend, "I'm having the worst day! I hate myself." and the friend replies, "why?", and the person responds through tears with "I lost my car keys". Most people wouldn't give a shit anymore after that, but may act as if they are empathetic. Imagine the opposite or a median example of this. Context is everything. @@DoriansPortrait
When I was a child my mother loved to watch late at night horror shows. The TV was loud and though safe in our beds in our bedrooms we could not avoid hearing the obvious horrific scenes due to the sounds of screams, creepy music, evil laughter, whatever. I would pray for commercials so I could fall asleep or at least get a break from the horror. If she fell asleep during these shows (I'd peek in) I would silently enter her room and turn off the TV. She always woke up then and told me to turn the TV back on. I'm in my 70s and I still don't have a TV. All the entertainment and news programming is horrific and the ugly sounds, including most speech, are what I mostly notice if one is on near me. TV - an irresponsible medium inflicting terrible consequences on nearly all of humanity. Not just TV of course, (i.e. computer games) as Dr. Paulhus points out. BTW, I completely forgive her for that and her other shortcomings as a parent. After all, she is the reason I see TV for what it is.
@@leslietaylor2754 I'm so sorry you had to grow up like that!!! I'm also glad you brought this up because it's something I've been saying for years while it mostly falls on deaf ears, and that is the acceleration of violent content produced by Hollywood through its movies and tv shows!!! It's become so disgusting and horrific, that I boycotted watching television for years. The only channel I do watch is PBS, and even then I have to shy away from some of the news they show. Anyway, all the best to you!!!
VERY perceptive point. I have noticed that, but did not clarify it in my mind until you stated it the way you did. You're right. Not only in that it occurs, but that it's scary.
Raymond W. Novaco coined the phrase Anger Management. "We all experience anger; anger only becomes a serious concern when an individual is angry too frequently, too intensely, and for too long." ~ Raymond W. Novaco, 1984
I sat on the sidewalk with a homeless older black man one Saturday night in a busy area of town and it was a shocking experience; multiple people that walked by throughout the night hurled vicious curses and threats at this man with absolutely no provocation. The man wasn’t begging, blocking the path, saying anything to anyone, or doing anything at all other than merely existing. It was utterly horrifying, gut-wrenching, and awful to witness. It nearly brings me to tears to this day when I think about it. The man told me that it was a normal every day part of life for him. Sadism, and evil, are very real. When your gut tells you that someone is evil, I would listen to your gut. There are some people that just almost have no soul for lack of a better term. They’re almost not fully human; more like a reptile; no feeling or warmth behind their eyes. They’re incapable of doing anything that’s truly altruistic. They’re too primitive for that. They’re constantly looking to obtain and/or protect things, experiences, influence, and statuses that satiate their appetites. Simply avoid these people at all costs and pour all your energy into the opposite kind of people.
The line between good and evil lies not between races, or classes, but right down the middle of every human heart. Everyone is capable of evil thoughts and actions. We just have to rise above these base instincts.
Most psychopaths simply do not care about punishment and simply don't fear any possible punishment. Many psychopaths tend to relish the chaos and disruptive effects of their actions. I've known a few of them in my lifetime, mostly in my own family. It's not that they don't learn from the punishment they receive, it's more like they don't fear what can be handed down as a punishment. Most people that are psychopaths know what they are and usually take pride in being the evil of the world... Just our take on it.
This seems woke I meant everyone is different but a man is a man and a woman is a woman and we're all different in a beautiful way why can't we expect that why do we search for problems within ourselves?
My mother was sadistic. I would watch her smile when she would do a little bit of working on my dad’s back and he would yell when she got too rough. She absolutely loved causing him pain. She loved to humiliate me by doing or saying things in front of my friends or others and once started tearing my shorts off of me in front of two neighborhood boys. Her excuse was that if I wanted to show myself by wearing my clothes tighter than she saw fit then she was going to help me do so. It’s taken me my entire life of 74 years to try and heal from the many forms of abuse that I experienced at her hands!
At 71, and with extensive counseling, I have accepted that I am not GOING to heal from family emotional abuse, and that the best I can do is compensate. I do this mostly through isolation. Fortunately, I have a loving, emotionally healthy wife who “accepts the things that will not change,” and intelligently helps me through it all.
I am married to a sociopath/ASPD/NPD in my life. they cannot be helped. I'm sorry, but it's best to just leave them be. I'm talking about a person who is genuinely incapable of empathy or sympathy, and sometimes they don't even know anything is wrong with their behavior. They are heavily overrepresented in leadership positions even though all are underdiagnosed as they believe that they are perfect. Yes they excel in business but that's only because they don't hesitate to run or climb over others and have no moral compass.
For some reason, I'm imagining these two scholars as medieval monks in the 8th century meeting and sharing their findings on demonic possession by candlelight. Each eagerly listens to the other as they discuss the laborious translation of old, weathered tomes, and the challenge of ascertaining applicable nuance from the very general and poetic descriptions of different spiritual disorders.
How do you know psychopathy isn't demonic? Just because some humans in a different time call it a different name and have built a field around it ,decribing the physical manifestations of what they coined as psychopathy, doesn't mean the root isn't the same. People always knew that the world was physical, they just attributed some things to spiritual origin. People think that just because we hyper-focus on the physical part and give things long, fancy names that we've somehow advanced when the reality is, we haven't. The origin of most things is still totally unexplained, we've just gone into much more detail describing the physical results of things. Things aren't as different as many believe. 1000 years ago, they knew full well that the only way to have children is to have sex , that didn't stop them praying for children, despite their perfectly adequate understanding of the physical reality that sex leads to pregnancy.
@@zzzzz77771 Daemons are creatures from another dimension. Do you believe in this shit? I don't. I look for easy and plausible explanations: stupidity, greed, shame, narcisism, sociopathism. Has worked great so far.
As a long time player of Magic the Gathering, I've noticed over time that those who play strictly control decks have sadistic tendencies. I'm talking about people that only run control cards and have no other win conditions built in. Literally they play MTG for the sole purpose of not letting their opponents play or do anything (absolute control). They take pleasure in the fact that their opponents are wallowing in misery as they endure 40 or 50 turns of not getting to do anything, but wish the game was over, while also having hope that the game can somehow be won. Only to eventually lose by running out of cards. It is my opinion that those who hold their opponents hostage in a match to watch them try to do anything and stopping all attempts at ending the game. These people have sadistic tendencies. Esper control in particular is especially egregious. It is built specifically to do these things in a match: destroy all creatures, counter spells, gain life, look at opponents hand and discard before they can play anything. Let's make some connections: (destroy all creatures) in other words bring down everything the opponent has worked to achieve, (counter spells) denying them any chance of building themselves back up, (gain life) gaining so much life advantage over their opponents that they lose hope, (hand peeking/discard) when you're willing to go as far as invading someone's privacy and stealing or destroying their belongings in order to gain advantage over them. These type of people lack creativity and are sadistic. I don't know... maybe I'm just a very sore loser 🤣.
I think you're onto something, and especially in multi-player games people will gravitate to roles based on personality. No coincidences. I play Dota and there are definitely certain "stereotypes". Narcissists tend towards flashy heroes that can leverage individual skill well. Cruel and sadistic people will choose heroes that are simple but make other players miserable, making sure to type insults in all chat. Passive players will default to support. Etc.
No no no. Sadistic people aren't using little friendly card games to play out their sicko fantasies. If you think that you have never experienced one! Sadistic people use the games to invite people to their house then rape them or lead them to their deaths. Card games are a method of putting these scenarios to regular people as fantasy, so they can think and imagine them _instead_ of having to go and hurt people in real life. To say somebody is sadistic because they have a defensive control pack strategy in Magic.... That says you play too much Magic and don't make enough effort to meet real people! Wow what a total cynic. What about a person who's COD strategy is camping and backstabbing? Should we pre-emptively segment them out of the game because we think they're gonna start murdering people?? Lol come on bro it's just games. Real psychos don't actually take an interest in fantasy, so playing Magic says you're likely a regular dude not a sadist.
I exclusively play control decks in Yu-Gi-Oh! and one of the most enjoyable aspects is "punishing" aggro/combo players so you might be on to something there... However in Yu-Gi-Oh! aggro decks stop the opponent from playing too, very little interactivity, so the whole playerbase are argubly sadists.
@@ValVenusaur I can see your point there about aggro decks, interesting point 🤔. Although I would say they're on a lower level of sadism than decks that run strictly control. For aggro and combo players, the goal is to win quickly (aggro), or watch their combo come to fruition (combo players). I agree there's very little interactivity, like you mentioned, but it comes from more of a desire to win rather than a desire to inflict suffering. I suppose we could look at it like this, a sadist wants to make someone suffer as much as possible so they can feel dominant. But a narcissist (aggro or combo player) sees you as a means to an end to attain their goal as quickly or or spectacularly as possible. TLDR; So in short, both sides inflict suffering to some degree. For aggro players, suffering is a byproduct of accomplishing their goal, but for a sadist, the suffering is the goal.
I cannot fully rationalize this, but I think it's very important that often, likely even in most cases- satisfaction in brutally murdering your opponent in a competitive video game has nothing to do with sadism and most of these people would never want to hurt a mouse.
I disagree, because if you’re willing to go to such degrees in a video game, it’s a definite flaw in your character. It’s your mentality and it’s not just a game.
@@45sticky I have to agree. In such games (and I've played a lot of them), I always take the "good" path vs the "outlaw" path. I enjoy being the good guy when given a choice. Any Bethesda game, Red Dead Redemption, any RPG that has such mechanics. GTA, obviously I immerse myself in the story, but I don't get a thrill out of going out of my way to overkill an enemy or brutalize an NPC or animal without some gameplay-related purpose. I also prefer co-op for multiplayer vs PvP if there is an option. I've seen people almost seem to get off on abusing game mechanics to make some pixels bleed or scream, and it doesn't further the game at all. It's really telling when I see someone act like that and I know how they are in real life. There is always a correlation with lack of empathy and sociopathy in real life. One guy I worked with killed birds with a BB gun as a kid and mutilated grasshoppers. He told me one time as if I'd be impressed. Same guy, when playing GTA V Online, would laugh out loud over his mic as he went out of his way to kill the NPCs. If he was driving the car, he'd go out of his way to run people over even at the detriment to our mission in the game. There's definitely a correlation. I mean, if I ran someone over on accident, whatever. But I didn't go onto the sidewalk just to risk getting a wanted level and then laugh and carry on over the mic like a lunatic. And we were in our 30s back then... But my agreeableness on the Big Five is 77 (compassion: 81, politeness: 65). So I'm not predisposed to enjoy the suffering of others.
@@45stickywe find our own limits by playing games. We do it in games so we don't have to suffer the real life consequences. This is normal human behavior. Do you think the millions of people who enjoyed driving over others with their car in GTA are all hidden psychopaths?
I did my undergrad in Psych in the Vancouver area. All of my Professors talked about Dr. Robert Hare as if they were talking about a rock star. He was the Elvis of the Vancouver Psychology scene.
An academic in a creaking leather jacket is unsettling, as is his demeanor in general, in particular the unusual way that he micro-flings his head from side to side and backwards.
I remember years ago reading Dr. M. Scott Peck's book, "People of the Lie" where he argued that there needed to be a new personality disorder, as in Evil Personality Disorder. Being raised by an evil parent, maybe I'm biased, but he convinced me.
What would that accomplish? All narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths lie habitually. You don't need a 'new' disorder to describe what we already have. We must learn to take into account how many people on the autistic scale and on the fetal alcohol spectrum disorder scale fall into these categories, as both groups have severe impairments in developing empathy. Said empathy enables a person to feel a bit of what the other feels. Empathic people feel a bit of the humiliation and frustration and pain of others, when they see them go through that. Those are not nice emotions, so people with empathy will try help alleviate those by helping and comforting. THAT's what protects against being evil.
I think the violence in video games and movies could be due to the fact that people need to vent. Some people cannot put into words as eloquently as others, so this type of violence to pixels on a screen is a good outlet. I also think that it shows just how much these people understand that such violence is not acceptable in real life, they are aware that it is a bad thing. That's why they only do it in a safe, controlled environment. It's because they're civilized and in need of such an outlet. Or it can be chalked to a simpler explanation: morbid curiosity.
Your argument is presented as a rebuttal, but it just gives possible reasons for his thesis, that sadism is a part of human nature and we let it out when it is acceptable.
Could society be partially to blame for so many people wanting to vent their anger through video games? Why are there so many angry people in society? Is society failing them? They can't all be psychopaths buying these games. Maybe society is putting unrealistic pressures on people to make them want to lash out in this way.
@@Andygb78 maybe. But we are humans, violence is part of our most primitive instincts. in the past it has expressed itself in war, public executions, gladiatorial fights, we are relatively peaceful now which is why it is easy to pathologize such behaviour. You could argue it's a great problem to have because it points to a much more "civilised" society. But it still exists and it only makes sense we want to channel it into something, as the above comment has mentioned. For some though it may not be video games but sports or art. There is definitely something wrong with many societies though and assuming you are correct, I think rather than trying to shut down video games we should try to address those issues instead?
I believe the attraction stemming from many video games or a show such as Game of Thrones has more to do with a desire for adventure and a longing for contact with the harsh reality of life. There's something about the gore that makes it all more realistic, it adds to the shock when you get to see a beloved main character perish.
We seek what we dont have in our lives and as a generally modern society we are sheltered from the brutality of the past and so these things intrigue us. One movie came to mind is The Postman, there is a scene where all of these hardened brutal and violent futuristic survivors have access to a drive in movie theatre, the weak and timid person running the projector wants to watch an action movie and the violent crowd pelts the projector booth until he puts their movie on, the one they always want to watch which is The Sound of Music. I am sure that people living through war, famine or brutality wouldn't want more of it in their lives in whatever escape time they have from that life.
Or maybe us humans have a natural proclivity towards voilence because we've been killing each other since the dawn of time. It's in our DNA to want to fight and kill that's why the UFC's motto is "as real as it gets."
I met a nun, some years back - very beautiful in her person and appearance. She had been in the cloister for 20/30 years or so, and was doing some missionary work which took her outside the convent. As she was almost a time traveller to our world, I asked her what she thought had changed the most in society. She said she was shocked by the amount of violence on tv.
As a male who came of age around the time of Mortal Kombat, the attraction for me personally wasn't the gore, but that the fatalities were a secret code that not everybody knew. As a longtime advocate of GTA rampages as a therapeutic vent, I can say that there is NO animal torture in the games. Hunting pigeons in a new York city type setting is not torture, it's culling an overgrown flock. The only torture that happens is to human people and as a comprehensive player of the series I will guarantee that only nasty criminal characters get that treatment. But you can also run over pedestrians randomly, just like in real life. Only a psychopath wouldn't be able to discern the difference and not know that is a bad idea.
yeah this is overreaching as fuck, even Game of Thrones example, I don't watch it for the gore, i watch it for the cleverly written plot. I also watch such shows because it takes me to difference place other than real life, same like with games.
I am quite into mortal Kombat, but not just for that gore thing , i am generally into video games and mk has a good story too , the characters their relations , their background, their designs thats what i love
I don't even think "therapeutic venting" is what that game is good for. The overwhelming majority of people playing video games with violence are doing it because the game itself is fun and they are looking for fun/escapism. It's very evident to all of us that it's a game, not real, and not us projecting violent desires. By the logic in this video, MMA fighters are 1 step away from serial killers.
You believe that you are retorting his argument here when you are actually strengthening it. Normal people do not find it therapeutic to have virtual rampages lol
"GTA, kill bystanders, torture animals - people are paying for that stuff" same BS as rocknroll in the 60s, metal in the 70s, 80s, etc. Not one bit of violence indicators went up since people played games like this. BTW the goal in GTA is not to kill bystanders and torture animals...
I am an avid gamer and objectively speaking based on my experience, I do not think of any morality when I play games and I am hurting the "bad guys". But, of the story introduces characters that affects me, morality comes into play. Child, women, elderly, and hurt people who are hurting people; when I encounter them in the games, my morality sets in. Most of the time, there are times that I just hurt and shoot who I want since I know that it is not reality. I am interested to understand the Psyche on this.
Imagination in children requires role playing the opposed type of person. In games I am a thief I am a murderer, and a violent supremacist. But that's because I will never be that in life, and I wish to see what the fuss is about from their perspective. Games present perfect simulated learning and fun. This guys kids must be cursed lol.
@Dale Lerette Jordan Peterson said something cool in one of his lectures; *Pre-emptive correction* was a technique invented by Hitler, and led to a tragic and shameful genocide. That's exactly what I see when people say video games cause psychopathic behaviour. Then I think 'ok so which games am I allowed and which games should I burn' Replace games with book and 2023 with 1942...
@Dale Lerette Yeah it's something like you are disgusted by a person, and so you look for pre-emptive signs in others of that archetype. So maybe you are 10 years old and you are abused by a person who listens to Rock music. Now in future, unbeknown to you when you see a person who likes Rock music - you avoid them because you are pre-emptively selecting them out as a possible abuser. Pre-emptive correction is where you are directly altering a persons beliefs and behaviours based on their potential to turn out "bad". And that is what people are doing where they say ban books or games. They're basically saying the people who like this stuff are evil meanies and if we take away all their games and books and say "Fuck you Nazi!" to them all, magically equality will appear! Lol it's ridiculous but they're all doing it all of the time. I watch channels claiming to be about freedom of press and speech wanting things banned. Banning stuff isn't a solution to poor thought, it's the condemnation of imagination which to my mind - puts you on a pathway to misery and finally, vengeance / psychopathy. Watch the lectures, they're no joke man :)
@Dale Lerette I don't really see the big deal, a social engineering company has purchased all your comic heroes and wants to use them as a bunch of gay and trans iconography faces. Just go and buy different comics then. What are you attached at the hip to the old ones? They're not the same you are in an abusive relationship then aren't you now. Vote with your wallet.
@Dale Lerette I never met Stan Lee personally, and so I can't say whether he is a good or a bad person. I am not even saying it's a good or a bad thing, because that depends on who you ask. I am saying that a company bought the rights to all those characters and if people don't like that direction, they are free to read other comics which they do like. My point is that people should make fewer demands upon things they dislike, where lots of other people do like them. And just find something closer to what they do like, rather than trying to change everything into what they like at the expense of true diversity. Not just more gays or trans representation, I mean actual diversity like creative and imaginative stories and people. I could care less about which sexuality the characters are because for me that is excluded from the story. If I want my characters sexualised then I can watch pornography. Comics are not just a poster to display which current set of genitals you favour, neither are they a poster to say this politic is good or bad. Good or bad isn't subjective for me, none of the people described here know what good or bad really means anyway. This purist segmentation of people's thoughts and opinions will directly lead to low intellect zombies rioting about nothing in the streets starved and impoverished. It's about more than a few gay characters in a comic book. In relation to Stan Lee challenging some comicbook code, well that's not for me to say - I don't know the first thing about it. All I know is I used to like reading comics and thought that they were cool. These days I don't. Not because they're not representative of me though!!! LOL they were never representative of me, they represented fantasy characters which could never be real. Or so I thought! Maybe I just needed to self identify as Wolverine and drop the pretense that he isn't based on my real person :D
One point to be made: Rewind to year 450 A.D. and the Hun military is bearing down on your village and family. At this moment the Dark Tetrad is not only quite attractive but downright essential. Fast forward to 2023 and "How can you play that horrible video game, you little psycho".
I was related to a very mentally ill sociopathic person, my sister. I am amazed that she didn’t murder me at some point. I got as far away from her as fast as I could because I felt she was more than capable of doing that. She died at 49 and all I felt was relief.
It's cool how Dr Delroy is eager to share his concise take on all that. Jordan Peterson as usual shows great elegance in directing the flow of information, and positively adding in his own experience. About what has not been said here : I would be interested in learning about the usefulness of noticing the emotional response to nostalgic evocations when someone is too knowledgeable in psychology to resist (probably without malice) misdirecting the clinician...
a similar question came up during one of the classes i attended, though in this case it's more about whether knowing the parameters of survey tools (i.e. which question influence which factor) would invalidate the tool if it were to be used on that person. And it would (since the person filling the survey won't be answering the question, rather they are sculpting an image of themselves by answering the tool a certain way)! There needs to be some good faith in the participant's end for the tool to not be invalidated!
@@Kevin-lx7rb , then there are the "hours of flight" of the practitioner (seen here as a co-pilot) who permits to pull out an instinctive perception of the truth, even if the participant is of bad faith...I mean invalid does not mean exempt of information.
This is some high level of observation, its so hard to see the difference between normal and non-normal because of the sneaky mutation of non-normal things into normal things. I think the new generations will have a difficult time dealing with this kind of global psychological change, the more i get to know or in this case notice and take note of it, the more i worry about the future.
I would say that being entertained by violence and video games and being entertained by actual videos of people, being killed and enjoying it, are very two different things. The sadist get enjoyment out of people being tormented. Actual people. I’m also indifference to the hockey analogy because they aren’t cheering because they want to see somebody get hurt, they are cheering because of the competitiveness of the fight.
Well, some of what he mentioned as examples of “sadism,” I believe is much more closely related to and explained by tribalism and mating/ sociological instinct. Football teams for example, you want YOUR tribe to win and to exert dominance. The dominance factor can come in the form of violence, like many other animals. However, the silence that he mentioned, which typically occurs when a player gets really injured, I believe that is a deeply human trait. Especially amongst a wealthy nation whose baseline needs are mostly satisfied and beyond. That is the empathy. Very few in the crowd are reveling in a visceral and immediately serious injury. Those select few who are would be your true Sadists.
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@@manicmadpanickedman2249 Matthew 24:1-18 King James Version 24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 *And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down* 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 *Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains* 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
yeah, i was thinking that as well. cheering for your favorite boxer is not sadism. that's the most absurd example you can think of. these two men have gotten into the ring, expecting to get hurt. professionals. it's their job. you pick a side and you cheer for that side. none of that says you like watching others get hurt.
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Been playing videos game all my life. Never committed any crime . I am now 34 with a beautiful wife and 2 kids. I don't think video game have to do anything.
A darker humor seems to be growing as well, abstracting pain to absurdity is a way of bypassing the empathy of the situation. e.g. A man loses his eye sight, that's ok cause..... It's always in the last place you look.
13:40 - Yes, it's true, in GTA you can kill innocent bystanders and step on their heads. If you want to. You don't have to do that. The same is true for life in reality. You can do those things there too, if you want to. What you want to look for is who revels in doing those dark things in GTA, rather than stunts, exploration, character building, moral choice theory in contextual story situations, etc. What people truly gravitate to in GTA might inform you of their likely chosen behaviors were reality to place them in a situation where they wouldn't face consequences for doing those things. You have to add to this the fact that those playing GTA know that none of the people are real - they are all programmed, unthinking constructs. So it also makes sense that a person can switch off their "empathy" to explore in situations where no one is actually suffering despite what's happening on screen. I remember having a go at a psychopathic rampage in GTA a few times and what I found was that I am not one of the people who can switch off their empathy even when the characters are just depictions of real people rather than actually real. I just felt kind of sick after about 10 minutes of that, and that was that. What I like about GTA is the simulation aspect - the physics, the world-building, the complexity of what you can do in that microcosm of a city - a lot of the time in GTA I just go cruising around the city. Now, especially older versions of GTA were designed such that it was very difficult to cruise around the city without doing something accidentally wrong that would get the police chasing you. And, in those cases, no I don't stop, pull over, and give myself up. There's fun in outrunning the pretend cops and getting away. AND, if you stop and turn to fight the police, in GTA no matter what you do, the situation just gets worse and worse for you when you do that. Just like in real life. There is no escape through violence in GTA - you might buy some time and then make a run for it, but things escalate quickly just like in real life. So there's a realistic balance there. GTA 5 had a character you were forced to play, Trevor, who was a psychopath and there were times when you were almost forced to do psychopathic things - I didn't like that. Call of Duty also dabbled in making people do terrible things, which I also didn't like. You should never be forced by a game like GTA to do something abhorrent - it's not the right play for that kind of game format.
You must learn to be a monster then learn to control it! That’s what I’m teaching my son. He is a gently soul, and a great kid but I’m afraid he’s not going to stand up for himself then fall into depression like his mother so I truly hope he takes after me in his teenage years and becomes strong and isn’t afraid to fight even if it’s a losing fight. Defend yourself and defend those weaker than you! That’s how I grew up.
I moved to Utah about 5+ years ago. It amazes me to see how people here are always interested in scamming their neighbors. A lot of get rich quick schemes and arrogant attitudes. Its weird how they act. I actual had a guy at work ask me what my side hustle was. When I said I didn’t have one, he was confused and said,‘’everyone has a side hustle.”
Jordan knows nothing about Christianity. THIS is Christianity according to Jesus in MATTHEW 25:31-46 ❤️🐑❤️. When Jordan dedicates himself to caring for the poor, needy, ill, foreigner, and imprisoned, and teaches his followers to do the same, rather than worship him and his insuffereable musings, then you may have something.
@@marz9676 I don’t worship Jordan. I only worship God. I genuinely admire and respect Jordan because he is a wonderful and beautiful human. Only Jordan knows if he has a personal relationship with God. We all have different gifts and talents to share, Jordan is simply sharing his. Even though I’m aware of the majority of what he shares I still find him fascinating, brilliant and kind. He cares for humanity, especially lost men. Listen, we all need to help the less fortunate because when we do, we are helping Jesus Christ. We’re not suppose to advertise our good deeds. You have a wonderful and blessed day. ✝️
@🕊 Veritas et Amor But Jordan, and the Conservative Christian movement, do not follow Christ as they claim. They are the false prophets of Matt. 7. To follow Christ is to walk in the Fruit of the Spirit, which is the will of the father. That means only people who exemplify LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONG-SUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS, and TEMPERANCE to the world are Christians. Conservatives are ashamed to be so soft, empathetic, and caring. Conservatives certainly are not known for their bleeding heart charity to the "poor, needy, ill, foreigners, and imprisoned" WHICH IS REQUIRED to be sorted with the redeemed at the final judgment in MATTHEW 25: 31-46 ❤️🐑❤️. Conservatives abide by the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" gospel. They aren't for handouts to those "least of these" people. You can't remove the Fruit of the Spirit from Christianity. You can't remove CHARITY from Christianity. "Beware of false prophets...ye shall know them by their fruit."
@@marz9676 Jordan has undoubtedly helped numerous people who are poor, needy, ill, foreign, or imprisoned with his words and advice about life. Likewise, I'd imagine those who follow Jordan Peterson's teachings would do the same. Even if he didn't however, we must avoid judging the level of piety of someone we surely couldn't know well personally.
People like violence and suffering online yet I worked in a hospital and few people could hack watching real mental or physical suffering. This is real life and brutal. Personally I despise watching or hearing about violence esp as a Christian.
I believe we trend toward the dark side in the virtual world because we are seeking that which is out of reach in reality. I don't necessarily fear it or see it as a bad thing. Once upon a time we could only see the world through direct experience, one side of one story at a time, now we see through each others eyes in ways never before achievable. We have direct and unlimited access to all the stories and their outcomes at will. Through virtualization we can experience the lives and lessons of both the victims and the perpetrators without ever actually living either path. It allows us to communicate the lessons of good and evil from entire lifetimes within mere minutes. Instead of trial and error, we have references to draw upon. The experiences make us better, more complete people, not monsters.
I think we do juust becaise there is a pack of accountability. Its easier to be evil when no one is watching. Thats why we ahould ALWAYS live like Jesus is always standing next to us. Not easy. But with training you can.
@@celuiquipeut6527 I think ultimately it's not in ones own best interest to be evil or to sin and oversight doesn't need to be a factor. It's easy to sin and be evil but it's rarely, if ever, actually beneficial on any long term scale.
@@celuiquipeut6527 I'm not sure we have the perspective to determine if its a tragedy or a comedy. Overcoming sin comes from understanding sin and understanding sin comes from experiencing sin. I don't think God makes mistakes, it's a self organizing system. The world is not broken, there is no battle of good and evil, we just haven't accepted that they are two sides of the same coin.
@@tjwoosta Yeah, you can think all you want. I trust my creator. I've had enough experience with him to know better. Also, how can you not see there IS a war. It is so obvious...
Im sure most people do not play to release anger, I personally see it more as a dopamine fix, its real time accomplishments. I never go and think "wow this looks so violent, how cool." I more so just enjoy the competition, socializing real time with no social buffer, and the feeling of accomplishment when you out shoot/ out think another person. I only think violent games are more popular because it makes the competition that much more intense and captivating, you have to put your proverbial life on the line and it makes the feeling of accomplishment all that much more exciting. I don't think it has much at all to do with sadism in most cases. The real sadists are the hackers who only hack to make other people rage quit and the people who talk down to others and troll people to try and make them cry or get frustrated.
I am an empath. My first conscious awareness of this was in 3rd grade. I was the new kid in the school at the time, and didn’t have any personal relationships with any of the students or with the teacher. One day the teacher harshly criticized a boy in the class, and suddenly I had to put my face down on the desk, as I felt completely humiliated and devastated. On a conscious level I knew the teacher had targeted someone else not me, but somehow I became him and felt his humiliation for him! Have had many experiences with taking on other people’s pain since then. One example was my younger sister, who was my opposite and enjoyed hurting others, and we had very little to do with each other as adults. But out of the blue, I began to feel like something was upsetting her, and she needed support. I drove several hours to see her at her house, and it turned out her husband of a year had just left her for a man. (This was over 40 years ago, when this was quite shocking.). She had not told anyone in the family yet. As we talked, she suddenly changed, and seemed much happier, while I started feeling terrible. I took on her pain without any conscious effort to do so. Interestingly, this experience did not result in any improvement in our relationship. She seemed to take it completely for granted, and remained very cold towards me. She used to physically push me around a bit when we were little (we’re only 18 months apart), and then tell me how weak she considered me to be since I wasn’t interested in pushing back. I do remember how shocked I was when she starting torturing our cat for her amusement. I was so young that I wasn’t making any moral judgements, it just made no sense to me. I couldn’t understand it. She ended up manipulating my mother into rejecting my 2 other siblings and myself so she could inherit all her money. Our mother’s will stipulated sending the 3 of us each a registered letter from her when she died, telling each one of us how much she hated us. So my sister is very wealthy, and won the game she was playing. It never occurred to the three of us to try to “win” all the $. Point is she was a manipulative person at a very young age, and I was an empath without any conscious effort...and it started very early, it wasn’t learned behavior. She is also very dependent on alcohol, and I don’t drink, and never have. She is now a big believer in a cult in spite of the fact the leader’s various prophecies of a devastating Madrid fault earthquake fail to come true, and she claims that flying saucers are repeatedly directly hovering over her house for hours at a time, as the zeta aliens are eager to communicate with her personally. No one else where she resides has ever seen any of these events occur. It doesn’t appear to me that her personality orientation has worked out that well for her, in spite of her wealth. I have no idea if she plays video games, or enjoys violent professional sports, but I do know she enjoys making others suffer. She clearly has a narcissistic personality disorder, but I lack the data to link her personal traits into this bigger picture of how these various personality disorders converge with striking similarities. On the other hand, I have never played a video game, dislike movies, and never attend or watch any sporting events. So my empath wiring seems to fit the psychological research, no surprise there. But I NEVER would have predicted my sister would become obsessed with a cult, and become delusional. How does that fit into the predator pattern?
Megalomania can be a trait of narcissistic personality disorder as well as having delusions of grandeur. She sounds like a covert narcissist/sociopath.
That was very interesting to read and,to be honest with you, I’m also a empath but I didn’t realise that until about 3-4 years ago when I was about 56 years old. I remember a young drug worker called James, and he was learning to become a psychologist and one day he said to me, Steve you are a very spiritual person aren’t you, and I replied, James with what I’ve seen and heard throughout my life I don’t really have much choice mate, and he said to me, I think your a empath Steve and, if I’m totally honest with you I’d never ever heard of a empath in my life, about a few months later I was looking online or on UA-cam I don’t remember but I was looking for a certain word and I saw the word empath so, I’d forgotten about what James said earlier on but, I thought oh what is a empath so I started looking it up and, I can honestly say that for the very first time in my life it all made sense, I’m 60 years old now but when I was a child about 8 or 9 years old I woke up in the night and sitting on the bottom of my bed was a old man who I’d never seen before in my life, I just looked at him I half smiled and our eyes actually met, I just turned over and went back to sleep. I told my dad in the morning and he asked me to describe him which I did and he instantly said that’s my father Steve your grandfather, I thought no more about it until a couple of years later when I went to stay with my grandmother and on the fireplace there was a little photo so I had a look and there was a old man sitting in the back garden with a black dog and believe it or not it was the same man dressed in exactly the same clothes that was sitting on the bottom of my bed two years earlier, apparently my grandfather passed away when I was just 2-3 years old from cancer, but that’s the only full apparition that I’ve ever seen but I’ve heard many spirits throughout my life, also I get like someone will say something in my mind that I can’t hear audibly I just hear in my head if that makes sense to you, I’ll give you a little example, I was sitting in my chair watching the news about 6-30 one evening and something or someone said in my mind, Steve Deena’s pregnant, that’s all that was said, now Deena’s my daughter and she’d only just turned 17 by a few days so, for 2 weeks I kept saying to myself she can’t be she’s only just turned 17 but, two weeks later I got a phone call from my ex wife and she said Steve your gonna be a granddad cause Deena’s pregnant, I couldn’t believe it but it happens a lot throughout my life, things are said in my head that actually is true it’s unbelievable really but it’s true. So yeah I too am a empath they do say apparently that most empaths don’t realise that they are empaths until later in life. But all throughout my life I can walk into a place and can pick up the vibes straight away, and I can pick up vibes from people as well, I’ve never felt I’ve belonged anywhere, I’ve always said that I felt like I’ve been persecuted, I’ve always been really good at reading peoples faces, I’ve got a photographic memory which are all traits of a empath and like I said when I read about what a empath is, for the very first time in my life it made sense, anyway I found your story very interesting Helen I presume that is your name, I really hope this all made sense to you, anyway take care of yourself okay my best wishes to you from Stevie boy in England.
@@mrfugazi6713 Steve, I didn’t realize a photographic memory was considered an empath trait...and yes, I do have a photographic memory! I also have had many experiences with the spirit world, though when I was very young it was in the form of blue orbs visiting my bedroom at night, and it scared me. Once I was in my twenties I started getting direct messages from deceased family members, and that has been a constant since. My husband died from lukemia 2 years ago, and though he goes to a lot of effort to communicate with me, I tend to block it out because his passing was so painful for me. I haven’t felt the need to block these kinds of experiences before his passing, so I’ve just fairly recently found it to be problematic. It used to be helpful to me, and I was able to allow my father to comfort me for the first six months after he passed. This is the first time I haven’t been able to deal with it. He did tell me, after he passed, I would be able to access my “healing gifts” more deeply in the future, but I don’t really care...afterall, I wasn’t able to save him, though I did save his life several times before he finally passed. Now I wonder what was the point of it all? I suspect he’s rather frustrated over trying to make contact with me...but I don’t know how to get over the pain...which is just so ironic, since I can help OTHER people with THEIR pain!😢
I think it's important to note that in circumstances like hockey fights, there are 2 willing combatants 1on1 in a seemingly fair fight. They both want what's taking place and there are no weapons involved. I think I have the mind of a researcher because I'm curious to see how people respond when you change the variables and then let them view and have them tell you their thoughts. Ask if they would want to watch a willing combatant beat on an unwilling individual. Or ask if they would enjoy watching 4 people hurt a woman, etc. I think most would not take pleasure in watching. But perhaps more would than I think. I don't know.
Suffering. The more young, the more effective. When you are born in hell, you become a demon, and others are just prey. You can still have friends tho, but most won't understand you. I speak from experience.
I cant watch horror movies, apart from the ones that look away from the gore and the murderous intent going on, doesn't matter to me whether its real or not but I have seen real horror and pain as a Police Officer, Forensic Scientist and as a HCA at hospital during the pandemic. My father fought in Burma and also couldn't watch horror movies, is some of this not inherited? I can deal with real horror and pain but I can't watch it and do nothing about it?
Has anyone actually read 'the Prince?' The way everyone speaks about 'Machiavellianism' and 'what Machiavelli thought' makes me suspect no one understands him beyond a surface level reading.
I have read the Prince cover to cover,and I power through it in an afternoon, and it was in interesting book and I enjoyed it There was some useful information to be gleaned from i Machaivelli's the Prince it covered how leaders in the past managed their affairs and the strategic thinking that maintained you reign or what mistakes Contributed to their down fall. The Prince was a comprehensive guide of how to survive as a "Prince," How to maintain your reign and not get dead! But if you are offended by the use of force for self preservation or diplomacy to achieve your goals as a Prince you would not appreciate the subject material.
If I'm not mistaken the Prince basically was written with the intention of being hyperbolic entertainment, nothing close to a serious political treatise
I'd say video games are not a great way to judge sadism. For the vast majority of people that play them, well, they know everything they are doing in the game is not real, it has literally zero impact on reality and there are no actual consequences (except spending your own time sitting there). When you make your pixels harm other pixels, all you are doing is triggering a visual representation of code reacting to code in a scripted manner. I think a great example of this is how some people play FPS games but are terrified to pickup and use a firearm at a range. Even though they know that they aren't going to discharge the firearm at someone and just at a piece of paper or metal down range, they still fear the sound and recoil and the very slim chance (with proper instruction) that they might harm themselves or someone, or some animal.
I do not agree with his thoughts on satism in sports. I do agree that I see it often in people. From politics and to people that hate the rich simply for being rich. The number of people that were laughing at the people in submarine before we realized that they were dead was really sad
Grand Theft Auto is a pretty good personality test by itself. It IS possible you to kill anyone, but it doesn't reward you for it. There's no gain in killing civilians. The cops come after you, some civilians fight back, there's no monetary reward, etc. It's one of my favorite games of all time because you can invest in different businesses to make money (what I do for a living, although they are legal businesses IRL) and because of the cool cars and airplanes you can buy. It would be interesting to see someone do a study about personality types by just giving someone free roam in GTA and seeing what they do.
While I agree with many of the points, as a GoT fan I have to say he's out to lunch on that topic lol. People don't watch GoT because they enjoy scenes like the Red Wedding (most people actually hate watching those scenes). People watch it bc it's engaging, and gives a real sense of surviving in a world with high mortality. It gives the heroes greater obstacles and a sense of real life danger which creates pure adrenaline. There's a difference between enjoying shows with violence and watching them specifically for the violence.
All of these dangerous traits being described begin to be commonly expressed by multiple individuals within a group once the social construct of tribalism is achieved founded on the rudimentary ideology of "us versus them" as apart of their success/survival. "Wokness" seems to fit the criteria given . . .
The "silly little Mario Brothers... Stuff" was also a much simpler game with worse graphics and sound, it had much simpler rules and the skill floor was right at your feet. Pretty sure the gore and shock factor was more of an advertising tool to be honest, fighting games in general have been arcade favorites ever since they came out because of the competitive aspect, and that turned them into a spectator sport as well. You want to see the best player win.
It's often useful, in my opinion, to think back to what early man would have been doing. You can discern a good amount from that. In terms of hunting, man had to be violent. We feed on other life, whether plants or animals. We killed things to live. Killing is presumably in our DNA, but we have things set up so we don't have to now. Factories kill for us and we hit the grocery store. Plenty of war going back, as well.
Very interesting. I want to point out also as a sadistic trait that the reason why car accidents increase the traffic of the road is generally not because of the presence of the cars itself, but because people slow down when they are close to the accident in order to see better if "anything interesting" happened.
People slow down for their own reasons. Not sadistic like you. They generally are curious what happened and if everything is ok . Or what actually happened. Not sadistic .
This is not sadistic behaviour. We do these thinks becauss evolutionary it is important for us to observe what happens around us, especially when people die, because we can learn to avoid dangerous situations like that for ourselves. Like a stoneage man would surely want to investigate a fellow dead human next to a berry bush to learn that these berries might be toxic.
Been dealing with a dark tetrad type for some years now. An in-law who's a hidden enemy, uses religion as cover, which I guess is why she was able to stay under the radar till now.
I definitely agree that sadism is completely normal and seen in normal people. I'm not saying it's a positive thing, but sadism has been a part of almost every single human society, even when it comes to sadism for one's enemies. I am pretty confident that it's just part of the human condition.
I believe my ex to be a psychopath. He fits the bill here. Impulsive, thrill seeker, sadistic. He got off on seeing me distraught. He even got turned on if i was physically ill. Vomiting. It was extremely unsettling. Thank godness i got away.
Interesting story.. however about the Game of Thrones...everyone can have an opinion about how to categorize things into this or that. And especially experts like to think within the box. But the real question is here about ethics itself. Do we consider reading or watching a story where murder is one of the main tension drivers unethical? Is my lovely and old mum who loves reading crime books unethical? I don't think so...
My husband brought up a good point about the necessity of old style bullies. They bring people back to reality. Think about it. Bullies often picked on the kid escaping in a novel, or a videogame. Just anyone escaping reality. Think of the jock knocking the kids book out of his hand. Helped keep people grounded in reality. Now we don't have those kinds of bullies. We have bullies keeping people out of reality.
That only happens in John Hughes films. IRL, jocks have zero interest in anyone outside of their own athletic world, and bullies can be anyone in any group. I suppose the reason why we see jocks and cheerleaders portrayed as bullies in fiction is that the writers need an excuse for characters from different cliques to interact with one another, and an easy way to do this is by creating a clique hierarchy. But, in a real high school setting, different cliques are almost completely disconnected from one another. Even when I came out as gay in high school, I didn't even exist to the jocks. Only in a world where kids never have schoolwork or extracurricular activities would they have the time to pick on me. In fact, I'll admit I was the one who bullied a lot of the people I did associate with.
@A I guess every school is different. My school there was virtually no bullying. If there was it was a large group of black students harassing the white students in the hallway when they felt like it. And they were ignored because it took too long to get to class without their BS anyway. My husband's schools, and his fathers schools, jocks most certainly bullied nerds from stories I've listened to.
Nah. I think bullies are cowards that just pick on people smaller and weaker than them. Those people than cope with Harry Potter or whatever to escape their Hell of a life.
Mortal Kombat is also just a highly competitive game, and my understanding of it leads me to believe that that's much bigger a factor in its popularity than how violent it is. The kind of competition you get in games like Mario is much more niche, as it pretty much only consists of stuff like speedrunning. It seems to be quite the common problem among people without the gaming sphere to see only the surface of what people are doing in games, often that which they find most shocking, and fail to see why people *actually* play them.
No I just liked MK, because I could do lehal finishers and the disclaimer to that guy in the video is no life was harmed in the playing of the game. It''s all pixel on pixel action so all fantasy no reality.
Violence plays on the baser animal instincts which we have domesticated out of ourselves. If left to our own devices, it would only take a single generation to revert back to being animals. Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists are just more in tune and closer to the more animal instincts than the general population. If you watch any nature documentary, there are examples of all of these disorders in animals. And it really just shows that there is almost no difference between humans and our animal counterparts. The only difference is our capacity for self acknowledgement (sentience) and higher learning. Most animals have narrow minds. Eat, drink, sleep. Those are the 3 baser instincts that drive our survival. Without which all life would perish. As humans, we've figured out how to elaborate more things in between. But there are many examples of animals in the wild also displaying signs of more complex emotions. So in some cases, the animals we fear as wild beasts are more human than some humans themselves. We only distinguish them because we are human and they are not. But there really isn't that much different about us. Humans and chimpanzees are from my knowledge and understanding the only species that have the propensity to injure or kill just for the fun of it, because they didn't like what another individual was doing at that particular moment. Most other animals only do it for defending or hunting to eat. Not just for the fun of doing it. I'm not saying there aren't examples of other animals having those characteristics. But it is much more prevalent in monkey type species. The hominid species I believe. Humans being the final rendition
Time to anxiously watch this video worrying that I'm a psychopath. Edit: I took the MACH-IV and scored a 58/100. I'm slightly bothered, but I do believe in honesty, I am callous and distrusting of others, and (not that I'm interested in doing so) do believe, especially in this day and age, that people are manipulable.
I recommend other people do it as well. It takes only few minutes. I scored 89/100. I suppose if one is very naive with how world works they will score low. Some questions were really retard.
In doing deliverance ministry, it’s funny to me how psychologists have come up with these fancy names for unborn again people with unclean spirits. That’s why there’s so much overlap, because you’re really just measuring different functions of the same root: sin and wickedness. The answer? Get born again and find someone who can cast the demons out of your soul. It doesn’t have to be so hard.
Very interesting information because unfortunately I have had two of the personalities in my life through three individuals since I was 23. I am now 57 and one of those people still exists in my daughter, the narcissist. This toxic relationship, no matter how much it breaks my heart, is going to be now in God's hands as it always should have been. This is a great tragedy in my life. My two granddaughters, 2 and 7, will suffer greatly. Especially the oldest who spends every weekend with me and I take to church. The Psychopath died one and a half years ago. Therapy has taught me much although I don't go anymore. Listening to Dr. Peterson has been an intrinsic value. Please listen to all he has to say. You will learn much. Keep these Toxic relationships out of your life. Thank you God for getting me through.
Have them in our own family and it's extremely disturbing, as they are older siblings. It has literally put our family in a lifetime of Hardcore battles with them. I don't wish them death, but they definitely need peace... But with those kind of people, unfortunately I believe that death is the only answer for them. Thankfully I raised my kids not to be that way and to avoid them as much as possible
I, too, went no contact with my psychopath sister and ordered my child from ever have contact with her . Changing continents helped me, too, as my toxic Machiavellian sister thrived on spreading her venom to my far relatives as well. I cut ties with them all and I believe that friends I select are thicker than blood! 😊
Why do psychos have a particular hate for Christianity? I see it early and I know that person will be miserable and hateful. And then they will end up blaming it on God in secret, whilst claiming that the individual is god to them. It's absolutely radioactive.
Interesting. I loved mortal Kombat when it first came out on NES, my friend and I would play for hours. We never got into any physically violent confrontations or anything, even though I had taken martial arts for years. GOT disgusted me on so many levels I'll never watch it again, but I have friends that absolutely love it. I switched my focus from Kenpo to Escrima twenty years ago because all Kenpo had left to teach me was 101 ways to kill a man. I don't need that information rattling around inside my head so I focused more on FMA after that. I don't even practice the knife techniques or tactical moves because they focus solely on killing your opponent. I don't want that in my life. I also don't own a gun which, nearly every friend I have that doesn't practice martial arts, has at least one. Now at 51, it's about stand up, physical chess, basically. It's fun and at 51, it's hard to find things that are actually fun that I have any interest in.
@@gravygraves5112 I enjoy a certain amount of violence in entertainment, but if I'm not involved in it directly, I'm bored and would rather play. Physical combat is fun if you're not trying to kill the other person. Wrestling for instance is a great way to pit yourself against another man, one on one, and test your mettle. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is fun too when you leave out the unsportsmanlike "ground and pound". If you enjoy inflicting pain on your opponent, you're a sadist. Didn't you understand the video?
What I find interesting about this clip is that you can really tell when someone is a true scientist, by which I mean someone who is genuinely interested in finding out how and why things are what they are, regardless of whatever it might be. As opposed to people who have an opinion and are seeking to confirm it. Regarding stuff like violent video games: I think that everybody has a little bit of bloodlust in us. It's what makes us able to hunt, to defend our homes and families, and when sublimated, to compete in the world. Some people have more of it than others, and in some people it rises to the level of the unacceptable. But I don't think it's a horrible thing that you can play these impulses out in video games knowing that you're not really hurting anything but a cluster of pixels.
But at what point do those things cause a lack of empathy, and desensitization to seeing and watching violence? I personally believe they cause desensitization to watching violence and death. I had an ex that I will use as an example. He met my veteran cousin, and expressed to him how excited he was to get to kill people or shoot at people in battle. He said it would be just like his video games. My cousin was horrified. There are a lot of people who share that opinion. I am curious to see what the effect of watching and playing violent video games on children is.
@@breannaboswell1286 I think "desensitization" over stigmatized. Without a little bit, you're running around constantly getting the vapors about every little thing. Toughen up. It's good for you.
@@breannaboswell1286 Breanna, I completely agree with your point and sympathize with your view. Repeatedly, freely expressing aggression - without any consequences - cannot but reinforce the concept in real life. I'm not saying such people WILL act it out, but just might be more inclined to.
I moved school a lot when I was young and kids can be cruel and as a result I hate bullies I would never allow it though I found the best was a quick violent response to violence on me, a kid tried to bully me over a game of cricket, I honestly thought he was joking until he hit me in the face so I grabbed his arm and twisted it up his back, he fell to the floor screaming for his mum, I could have jumped on him and kicked his head in but that's not me he was down that'll do. years later I saw him trying to bully my friend who was terrified but it says a lot about bullies even though he was bigger than me he was still scared of me so I was able to put a stop to that with some words. I hate bullies.
I took some dark triad tests, and I always scored super high in psychopathy like 94%. But I am not a bad person at all, and actually rather timid, thoughtful and considerate. This makes me wonder if it's just the result of the emotional aspects behind thoughts. Because I normally don't consider emotions when I think, but I do consider other people's. (Not when I was younger though). I wanted to be a good person, so why would I hurt people? I thought about all the consequences of all my actions, and what it means. The downside is, now I am scared to hurt anyone, and I ended up being the only one who is ever "hurt", but I rarely am affected by other people's thoughts against me. I tend to hate how my inner image doesn't match up with what I do manage to portray towards other people though.
Interesting because as he points out, the literature overlaps. The sadist,didn't know it was personality trait but look up the German SCHADENFREUDE. ** Schadenfreude is the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.** i know in all languages there are words that another language doesn't have comparable, but schadenfreude is an "emotion" but you would have to be a sadist to "feel" it.
As someone who has played a lot of games where you "hurt" and "kill" pieces of code, I've never thought it'd be fun to just go kill or torture someone or something. It's ok precisely because I realize they're not animals or people. He doesn't understand violent video game players, he doesn't like violent video games players, and then slanders them. Vilifying people who aren't villains is very irresponsible and evil. If he wants to see who's being villainous in all of this, he should look in the mirror.
Psychopaths are cold hearted, cold, calculating people, sociopaths are hot headed people and can’t control their own emotions and actions. So there’s that
Psychopath are born like this (Or that's what people says) but I can assure you sociopath are made. I speak from experience. I've seen psychologist in juvenile detention center for a crime I did for free, sadistic crime. They said it was because of my hell childhood I had. And that make sense honestly, when I look at it as an adult. I consider myself lucky tho, because I prefer to be a god damn sociopath than a normal person. Emotions are weak and a burden, for society, and in your life. Just do what you gotta do people.
Anything you look for in others negative or positive you will ultimately see (or assume to see), simply because the observer is seeking the answer they desire for the outcome of the experiment. This occurs across a broad array of social constructs from - law and medicine, quantum science; to parenting and social interactions in general. Once someone says not to think about a pink elephant, try not to think about a pink elephant. Humanity is good at trying to construct labels for the idea of identification. My questions are truly- How many people have falsely been accused , only later to be found innocent of their so called crime ? How many people have been misdiagnosed ? How many people have died trying to live to the societal norms ?
Machiavellianism implies manipulation for self-gain though. If a parent manipulates their child into eating broccoli instead of candy that is not Machiavellianism.
@Red Toberts No, it's called parenting. Guiding. If you don't guide children, then they'll grow up like wild animals, totally unprepared for the outside world. Children aren't born knowing everything they need to know to thrive in the society they live in, and you can't just tell them, because they won't believe you. If you try to make them conform, they rebel. The only option is to guide them surreptitiously. Manipulation, if you want to call it that. Parents who don't do it don't give a rat's patooty about their kids.
My confess, I too am a controlling Machiavellian. I'm always ordering my dog to get off the dangerous road and stay in the safe yard. It's a 'cry-over' from telling my sons the same thing. Did it all out of complete selfishness. Wanted them all to live long lives. Forgive the 'Machiavellian' care in me and the many other's who may believe there is a time and place for everything in the world and all of us have a place in time.
I think Lt. Col. Grossman found a good answer to the response to violence, which is that so many of us see it as a strange and foreign thing. It’s no different from the ankles of furniture being scandalous in the Victorian Era
People might not want to hear this but Jeffrey dahmer (the guy in the thumbnail) who was known as the Milwaukee cannibal, wasn't actually an psychopath..we can call him sociopath but was he really an psychopath?? I really don't think so He was just very sick and evil, not an psychopath nor was he narcissistic
I remember seeing a doctor who wrote a book about psychopaths and there are nine traits that psychopaths have he said he knew about these traits because he said he was a psychopath.
I've always noticed that most people love getting the chance to be mean as long as they have a perceived moral justification. They get off on it and relish the opportunity to humiliate or damage someone as long as they're not judged by their peers.
Gee, you just explained the internet.
yes that's why when you say something they think they can attack you on they say "oh,oh" with such glee, lots of people are run by hate and resentment and feel it's justified because they don't have what they perceive you have without any appreciation for the work involved so will be cruel given half the chance and we learn it young look how mean kids can be they will find a button and press it over and over.
@@jimmylight4866haha. Perfect answer! 😂
What shocks me, is that this selfish and childish behavior is seen in more and more 'adults' as well! Especially Americans have my utter loathing in this regard, because they are very into 'you may never judge'. Which is total nonsense of course, since people judge literally all the time. So, if you do speak up about something, one of those hateful 'you should not judge' figures will spring up and attack you viciously. Then the Whole Hen house runs towards the plucking game and all try to be as mean as possible.
I ditched several American platforms because of this ridiculous behavior. For they obviously don't even see that they do the thing they hate, but then improperly.
Doesn’t that also allude to the human condition also?
I did an experiment years ago... I took an online version of the dark triad and tucked the results away. A couple months later I drank a half rack of IPA and took the test again with all the questions sorted differently. In my mind before hand, I figured I would be 10-15 percent, but certainly not over 20 percent more evil when under the influence of alcohol... The actual results socked me, I was 50 percent more evil when I had an alcohol buzz... And that is why I don't drink.
That's excellent self exploration. ❤
Wooooow! Thats 8ncredible result!!
I love this comment!
Probably the opposite for me. I always tip too much when I’ve been drinking 😂
A guy would fight when drinking. He would pick a weaker man and beat the shit out of him. About two years later his buddy said “Did you notice you don’t fight anymore? “ after some heavy thinking they notice the fights stopped after he met his girl friend. She was a Psilocybin mushrooms user. He had never tried them before that.
I've met a few REAL psycho/socio paths in my life. I'm telling you, they cannot be helped. I'm sorry, but it's best to just leave them be. I'm talking about a person who is genuinely incapable of empathy or sympathy, and sometimes they don't even know anything is wrong with their behavior. Yeah, they excel in business and administrative positions, but that's only because they don't hesitate to run over others.
I agree 💯.
Sounds like you have been employed as a prison guard.
I can feel empathy but only with a lot of thinking and contemplating. I’m starting to think that maybe in the future I may go wrong in the direction of psychopathy.
@@oliverfletcher9052seek counseling
@@oliverfletcher9052be responsible, and get help.
You’ll hurt people, some you won’t want to hurt and you’ll unconsciously come to hate yourself more for that. People will live the rest of their lives affected by the consequences of *your* bad behaviour to the point they’ll never be the same, and not in a good way. Some will lose their job, their partner, their house, their family, etc. This alone should really disturb you.
Human beings don’t need to experience something terrible to be able to have empathy, it naturally develops pretty early in childhood, so maybe you were sheltered, shielded or for some reason isolated your entire life that you missed that developmental milestone, and later on, as you aged, you were never deeply harmed for no reason, or unfairly targeted by someone with destructive behaviours, and maybe you’re the type that needs to experience things to understand how bad it is, how bad it hurts and how it affects people…
As someone who’s mother embodies the dark tetrade, I’ve been hiding from her for >7y, to keep my children and I safe from everything I know she does (I have proofs and testimonies from other pple to corroborate), and that after she last attacked me and choked me for a lil too long for ‘going against her wishes’ and divorcing my abusive ex-husband (yes he also was, he threatened to take my life to our kids, as a threat to them, last summer, after being divorced for 7y), and she then proceeded to my mortification by triangulating with him, by sharing to everyone I knew, all my close and extended family, her disgustingly manipulated version of events that people would see how ridiculous it is *if they listened* but she made sure no one ever will.
I do what I have to to protect myself and my kids as best as I can against her insanity, my ex’s paranoia, and everyone that believed her story without ever contacting me to get my version are a threat to me and considered dead. I need to be that strict to avoid as much as I can giving her anything she can and will certainly distort and use against me, to hurt me and keep me away from telling everyone the truth. I’m fighting to survive as unharmed as possible, with as much sanity I can keep after everything she’s done.
I don’t wish you nor my worst enemy to ever experience that.
Here’s my semipro tip: be proactive, chose to be a good human being, provide yourself what you need and do what it takes to get there, but don’t wait to get targeted to “be thought a lesson”, because narcs-psycho-sadist-Machiavellian will destroy you and your entire life to the ground doing so. Do something before anything of that horror happens to you.
It’s a road easy to go down and fast, that once you’re on, it’s practically impossible to get off.
Think wisely.
"Always be prepared for the worst in people" Niccola Machiavelli
Many people hugely underestimate how much evil that seemingly normal people are capable of. They don't think that way so they can't imagine what other people can do. Like sheep among the wolves, they're totally unprepared to protect themselves.
Niccolo*
@@edennis8578people don't even think about what they themselves are capable of. Most people don't think much at all hence their capacity to cause massive destruction and evil all while pretending to be innocent.
If you have a negative view of others you can get treatment for that dismissive world view.
@@edennis8578 Thats true
Beat me beat me cried the masochist. No, no said the sadist.
On a more serious note, power strongly attracts sociopaths, which is why we get so many bad politicians. Most of us just want to live out our lives in peace.
Nice joke 😂
Yeah, most people want to live in peace and not having someone meddle with their life.
I'm a veteran and unfortunately have been diagnosed with severe PTSD. What is most frightening is knowing I have killed thousands either by my physical hands or a bomb loaded by my crew and finding rest in the midst of the moral distaste. At times I indulge the thought of their bodies being burned and torn limb from limb and fantasize about being more morally bankrupt than I already am. I hate that about myself. I tell myself that isn't me and I can overcome the evil thoughts. Thankfully, I have God. Without Him, there is no help innocent people. As Paul said " I do the things I do not want to do, and the things I want to do, I do not do. It is no longer I, but the sin that is in me. " When Paul asked for the thorn to be removed, God said no, His grace is sufficient. Thank God it is, for my own soul and the innocent, thank God.
I really appreciate your honest reply.
You have PTSD because we aren't created to kill repeatedly without giving up a part of ourselves.
Forgive yourself for doing the job you were given to do.
Keep sharing until you get relief- like you did today.
I hope you know how the Lord values those who go to war. Defense of your nation is not murder in the sense that He usually sees it.
Just look at the book of Joshua, entire civilizations were killed by God’s command in the defense of his holy land and people. I hope you find peace, God bless you.
First of all, I trully wish you the best. Remember that paul was a killer and then became one of the most remarcable saints of all time. Carry your cross man. Give god thanks for your cross and offer your sufferings for all the poor souls.
I was gonna join army special forces in my country, but they say that it was required the covid vacine to go outside of the country soo I didnt. And reeding things like what you wrote always makes me thing a lot. We need worriors. Man who lead and protect. But our world is full of polititians, real mafias... I dont want to one day feel bad because I realised I was manipulated, and I was part of the problem not the solution. I wanna go to special forces here to test myself, improve myself facing fears, and to contribute to the safety of my country while im young, and then get out.
But Because i dont want to take covid vacine vacine for an huge amount of reasonable reasons, I guess I will never know what it is on the outside world
God places the thorn inside those who can control it. For when it is time to enact God's will, he needs those that are strong enough to wield the thorns.
@jsabh Do check into éating carnivore + intermittent fasting fasting for PTSD. It won't take your memories away, but can heal your gut, which can relieve symptoms. Sounds weird, but it can help greatly. Also check into EMDR. Find a licensed psychologist who does this, or one who focuses on trauma. Avoid "therapists," who can be anyone off the street. Psychiatrists are just medical doctors with little psychology, but fat prescription pads.
Every time somebody chooses to pull out their cell phone and start recording somebody in trouble who could really use some help. Sadism.
Delroy made an interesting point about how the crowd cheers for the violence in the hockey fight, but once someone is clearly hurt they hush, their enjoyment turning to empathy. I think this is similar to how normal people can enjoy the sadism contained within fiction (Mortal Kombat, Game of Thrones, etc.), yet be repulsed by real life violence. There's a "safe zone" of violence, a line where our innate sadism ends and our empathy begins. Personally, I love gory movies yet I can't stomach the local evening news.
Or it's a gradual desensitization to violence. Making your more susceptible to considering violence down the road, come now, did you really think you could look at the darkness for so long and it not look back? Want a clearer mind, do not do as the crowd, recognize and avoid, then will you see it. Then will you cringe.
I agree Laminar, the answer is that desensitization to violence happens over time, but also has a fine line and context is needed. Was a soldier told to kill? He (Most are men; as you'd describe a prisoner in an example as he) is exposed to a new territory of violence as a human being, an encouraged and congratulated violence. Was a persons house broken into? Was a man road raging and you defended yourself? These are all examples of the context I am referring to. Society decides the line with empathy and calls it law, and the point that I think is to be made is that some only mimmick your empathy in order to blend in, so that most humans are indeed empathetic to a degree, but some are so much further away from the empathy others may feel that we may as well call it two different words.
An example of the empathy that some may feel and others may not: Someone says to their friend, "I'm having the worst day! I hate myself." and the friend replies, "why?", and the person responds through tears with "I lost my car keys". Most people wouldn't give a shit anymore after that, but may act as if they are empathetic. Imagine the opposite or a median example of this. Context is everything. @@DoriansPortrait
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When I was a child my mother loved to watch late at night horror shows. The TV was loud and though safe in our beds in our bedrooms we could not avoid hearing the obvious horrific scenes due to the sounds of screams, creepy music, evil laughter, whatever. I would pray for commercials so I could fall asleep or at least get a break from the horror. If she fell asleep during these shows (I'd peek in) I would silently enter her room and turn off the TV. She always woke up then and told me to turn the TV back on. I'm in my 70s and I still don't have a TV. All the entertainment and news programming is horrific and the ugly sounds, including most speech, are what I mostly notice if one is on near me. TV - an irresponsible medium inflicting terrible consequences on nearly all of humanity. Not just TV of course, (i.e. computer games) as Dr. Paulhus points out. BTW, I completely forgive her for that and her other shortcomings as a parent. After all, she is the reason I see TV for what it is.
@@leslietaylor2754 I'm so sorry you had to grow up like that!!! I'm also glad you brought this up because it's something I've been saying for years while it mostly falls on deaf ears, and that is the acceleration of violent content produced by Hollywood through its movies and tv shows!!! It's become so disgusting and horrific, that I boycotted watching television for years. The only channel I do watch is PBS, and even then I have to shy away from some of the news they show. Anyway, all the best to you!!!
The scary thing is the way that social media can corale these types of people into these pathological communities.
All of these communities are popping up that didn’t exist before social media. Social media has given a voice to those who don’t need it
@@FJB2020LGB hahaaahaa yep
VERY perceptive point. I have noticed that, but did not clarify it in my mind until you stated it the way you did. You're right. Not only in that it occurs, but that it's scary.
@@FJB2020LGByou should genie side them
Like SJWs?
Raymond W. Novaco coined the phrase Anger Management. "We all experience anger; anger only becomes a serious concern when an individual is angry too frequently, too intensely, and for too long." ~ Raymond W. Novaco, 1984
I sat on the sidewalk with a homeless older black man one Saturday night in a busy area of town and it was a shocking experience; multiple people that walked by throughout the night hurled vicious curses and threats at this man with absolutely no provocation. The man wasn’t begging, blocking the path, saying anything to anyone, or doing anything at all other than merely existing. It was utterly horrifying, gut-wrenching, and awful to witness. It nearly brings me to tears to this day when I think about it. The man told me that it was a normal every day part of life for him. Sadism, and evil, are very real. When your gut tells you that someone is evil, I would listen to your gut. There are some people that just almost have no soul for lack of a better term. They’re almost not fully human; more like a reptile; no feeling or warmth behind their eyes. They’re incapable of doing anything that’s truly altruistic. They’re too primitive for that. They’re constantly looking to obtain and/or protect things, experiences, influence, and statuses that satiate their appetites. Simply avoid these people at all costs and pour all your energy into the opposite kind of people.
Sorry but I don't believe you. Your story rings hollow, and false, and indicative of somebody pushing an agenda. An agenda that is not the truth.
Why?
That's why I'm starting at home!
Amazing how the sight of a homeless person brings out the worst in people, whereas it should bring out the best.
The line between good and evil lies not between races, or classes, but right down the middle of every human heart. Everyone is capable of evil thoughts and actions. We just have to rise above these base instincts.
Most psychopaths simply do not care about punishment and simply don't fear any possible punishment. Many psychopaths tend to relish the chaos and disruptive effects of their actions. I've known a few of them in my lifetime, mostly in my own family. It's not that they don't learn from the punishment they receive, it's more like they don't fear what can be handed down as a punishment. Most people that are psychopaths know what they are and usually take pride in being the evil of the world... Just our take on it.
Who is "our"?
@@gantmj that' would be the multiple personalities we tend to exhibit.
i am scared of punishment that is what keeps me on the right path
Thats complete bullshit. They don't want to go to prison anymore than normal people.
your UA-cam has different personalities?
Mortal Kombat didn't plant the seed, it simply appealed to something that's inside of all of us.
Exactly!
This seems woke I meant everyone is different but a man is a man and a woman is a woman and we're all different in a beautiful way why can't we expect that why do we search for problems within ourselves?
My mother was sadistic. I would watch her smile when she would do a little bit of working on my dad’s back and he would yell when she got too rough. She absolutely loved causing him pain. She loved to humiliate me by doing or saying things in front of my friends or others and once started tearing my shorts off of me in front of two neighborhood boys. Her excuse was that if I wanted to show myself by wearing my clothes tighter than she saw fit then she was going to help me do so. It’s taken me my entire life of 74 years to try and heal from the many forms of abuse that I experienced at her hands!
At 71, and with extensive counseling, I have accepted that I am not GOING to heal from family emotional abuse, and that the best I can do is compensate. I do this mostly through isolation. Fortunately, I have a loving, emotionally healthy wife who “accepts the things that will not change,” and intelligently helps me through it all.
@@richardletaw4068watch jesse lee peterson on forgiving your parents
What a wuss, still 😂
I am married to a sociopath/ASPD/NPD in my life. they cannot be helped. I'm sorry, but it's best to just leave them be. I'm talking about a person who is genuinely incapable of empathy or sympathy, and sometimes they don't even know anything is wrong with their behavior. They are heavily overrepresented in leadership positions even though all are underdiagnosed as they believe that they are perfect. Yes they excel in business but that's only because they don't hesitate to run or climb over others and have no moral compass.
For some reason, I'm imagining these two scholars as medieval monks in the 8th century meeting and sharing their findings on demonic possession by candlelight. Each eagerly listens to the other as they discuss the laborious translation of old, weathered tomes, and the challenge of ascertaining applicable nuance from the very general and poetic descriptions of different spiritual disorders.
What exactly is the difference to today? Much less than most people would think. Psychology is still very speculative even today!
How do you know psychopathy isn't demonic?
Just because some humans in a different time call it a different name and have built a field around it ,decribing the physical manifestations of what they coined as psychopathy, doesn't mean the root isn't the same.
People always knew that the world was physical, they just attributed some things to spiritual origin.
People think that just because we hyper-focus on the physical part and give things long, fancy names that we've somehow advanced when the reality is, we haven't. The origin of most things is still totally unexplained, we've just gone into much more detail describing the physical results of things.
Things aren't as different as many believe.
1000 years ago, they knew full well that the only way to have children is to have sex , that didn't stop them praying for children, despite their perfectly adequate understanding of the physical reality that sex leads to pregnancy.
@@zzzzz77771 Daemons are creatures from another dimension. Do you believe in this shit? I don't.
I look for easy and plausible explanations: stupidity, greed, shame, narcisism, sociopathism. Has worked great so far.
As a long time player of Magic the Gathering, I've noticed over time that those who play strictly control decks have sadistic tendencies. I'm talking about people that only run control cards and have no other win conditions built in. Literally they play MTG for the sole purpose of not letting their opponents play or do anything (absolute control). They take pleasure in the fact that their opponents are wallowing in misery as they endure 40 or 50 turns of not getting to do anything, but wish the game was over, while also having hope that the game can somehow be won. Only to eventually lose by running out of cards.
It is my opinion that those who hold their opponents hostage in a match to watch them try to do anything and stopping all attempts at ending the game. These people have sadistic tendencies.
Esper control in particular is especially egregious. It is built specifically to do these things in a match: destroy all creatures, counter spells, gain life, look at opponents hand and discard before they can play anything. Let's make some connections: (destroy all creatures) in other words bring down everything the opponent has worked to achieve, (counter spells) denying them any chance of building themselves back up, (gain life) gaining so much life advantage over their opponents that they lose hope, (hand peeking/discard) when you're willing to go as far as invading someone's privacy and stealing or destroying their belongings in order to gain advantage over them. These type of people lack creativity and are sadistic.
I don't know... maybe I'm just a very sore loser 🤣.
I think you're onto something, and especially in multi-player games people will gravitate to roles based on personality. No coincidences.
I play Dota and there are definitely certain "stereotypes". Narcissists tend towards flashy heroes that can leverage individual skill well. Cruel and sadistic people will choose heroes that are simple but make other players miserable, making sure to type insults in all chat. Passive players will default to support. Etc.
No no no. Sadistic people aren't using little friendly card games to play out their sicko fantasies. If you think that you have never experienced one! Sadistic people use the games to invite people to their house then rape them or lead them to their deaths.
Card games are a method of putting these scenarios to regular people as fantasy, so they can think and imagine them _instead_ of having to go and hurt people in real life.
To say somebody is sadistic because they have a defensive control pack strategy in Magic.... That says you play too much Magic and don't make enough effort to meet real people! Wow what a total cynic.
What about a person who's COD strategy is camping and backstabbing? Should we pre-emptively segment them out of the game because we think they're gonna start murdering people?? Lol come on bro it's just games. Real psychos don't actually take an interest in fantasy, so playing Magic says you're likely a regular dude not a sadist.
I love your last line
You’re obviously intelligent and have a good sense of humor-interesting perspective!
I exclusively play control decks in Yu-Gi-Oh! and one of the most enjoyable aspects is "punishing" aggro/combo players so you might be on to something there...
However in Yu-Gi-Oh! aggro decks stop the opponent from playing too, very little interactivity, so the whole playerbase are argubly sadists.
@@ValVenusaur I can see your point there about aggro decks, interesting point 🤔. Although I would say they're on a lower level of sadism than decks that run strictly control. For aggro and combo players, the goal is to win quickly (aggro), or watch their combo come to fruition (combo players). I agree there's very little interactivity, like you mentioned, but it comes from more of a desire to win rather than a desire to inflict suffering.
I suppose we could look at it like this, a sadist wants to make someone suffer as much as possible so they can feel dominant. But a narcissist (aggro or combo player) sees you as a means to an end to attain their goal as quickly or or spectacularly as possible.
TLDR; So in short, both sides inflict suffering to some degree. For aggro players, suffering is a byproduct of accomplishing their goal, but for a sadist, the suffering is the goal.
I cannot fully rationalize this, but I think it's very important that often, likely even in most cases- satisfaction in brutally murdering your opponent in a competitive video game has nothing to do with sadism and most of these people would never want to hurt a mouse.
That's not true. Human nature disagrees with you.
Citation needed. @@OlafLesniak
I disagree, because if you’re willing to go to such degrees in a video game, it’s a definite flaw in your character. It’s your mentality and it’s not just a game.
@@45sticky I have to agree. In such games (and I've played a lot of them), I always take the "good" path vs the "outlaw" path. I enjoy being the good guy when given a choice. Any Bethesda game, Red Dead Redemption, any RPG that has such mechanics. GTA, obviously I immerse myself in the story, but I don't get a thrill out of going out of my way to overkill an enemy or brutalize an NPC or animal without some gameplay-related purpose. I also prefer co-op for multiplayer vs PvP if there is an option.
I've seen people almost seem to get off on abusing game mechanics to make some pixels bleed or scream, and it doesn't further the game at all. It's really telling when I see someone act like that and I know how they are in real life. There is always a correlation with lack of empathy and sociopathy in real life. One guy I worked with killed birds with a BB gun as a kid and mutilated grasshoppers. He told me one time as if I'd be impressed. Same guy, when playing GTA V Online, would laugh out loud over his mic as he went out of his way to kill the NPCs. If he was driving the car, he'd go out of his way to run people over even at the detriment to our mission in the game.
There's definitely a correlation. I mean, if I ran someone over on accident, whatever. But I didn't go onto the sidewalk just to risk getting a wanted level and then laugh and carry on over the mic like a lunatic. And we were in our 30s back then...
But my agreeableness on the Big Five is 77 (compassion: 81, politeness: 65). So I'm not predisposed to enjoy the suffering of others.
@@45stickywe find our own limits by playing games. We do it in games so we don't have to suffer the real life consequences. This is normal human behavior. Do you think the millions of people who enjoyed driving over others with their car in GTA are all hidden psychopaths?
Lack of empathy (emotional) and Sadism are by far the most important and revealing ones.
Human peak. When you are that, nothing can stop you.
I did my undergrad in Psych in the Vancouver area. All of my Professors talked about Dr. Robert Hare as if they were talking about a rock star. He was the Elvis of the Vancouver Psychology scene.
2:30 "I moved on and got a real job." Great self-awareness.
An academic in a creaking leather jacket is unsettling, as is his demeanor in general, in particular the unusual way that he micro-flings his head from side to side and backwards.
I remember years ago reading Dr. M. Scott Peck's book, "People of the Lie" where he argued that there needed to be a new personality disorder, as in Evil Personality Disorder. Being raised by an evil parent, maybe I'm biased, but he convinced me.
That book and The road less travelled by Scott Peck are must reads and timeless wisdom
Yes…I have that book and read it not long ago. It was religious in nature but not at all unscientific.
What would that accomplish? All narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths lie habitually. You don't need a 'new' disorder to describe what we already have. We must learn to take into account how many people on the autistic scale and on the fetal alcohol spectrum disorder scale fall into these categories, as both groups have severe impairments in developing empathy. Said empathy enables a person to feel a bit of what the other feels. Empathic people feel a bit of the humiliation and frustration and pain of others, when they see them go through that. Those are not nice emotions, so people with empathy will try help alleviate those by helping and comforting. THAT's what protects against being evil.
"People of the Lie" is one of the most influential books that shaped my own thinking about what evil is.
I think the violence in video games and movies could be due to the fact that people need to vent. Some people cannot put into words as eloquently as others, so this type of violence to pixels on a screen is a good outlet. I also think that it shows just how much these people understand that such violence is not acceptable in real life, they are aware that it is a bad thing. That's why they only do it in a safe, controlled environment. It's because they're civilized and in need of such an outlet.
Or it can be chalked to a simpler explanation: morbid curiosity.
Your argument is presented as a rebuttal, but it just gives possible reasons for his thesis, that sadism is a part of human nature and we let it out when it is acceptable.
@@ssssssstssssssss Isn't that what Carl Jung said?
Could society be partially to blame for so many people wanting to vent their anger through video games? Why are there so many angry people in society? Is society failing them? They can't all be psychopaths buying these games.
Maybe society is putting unrealistic pressures on people to make them want to lash out in this way.
@@Andygb78 maybe. But we are humans, violence is part of our most primitive instincts. in the past it has expressed itself in war, public executions, gladiatorial fights, we are relatively peaceful now which is why it is easy to pathologize such behaviour. You could argue it's a great problem to have because it points to a much more "civilised" society. But it still exists and it only makes sense we want to channel it into something, as the above comment has mentioned. For some though it may not be video games but sports or art. There is definitely something wrong with many societies though and assuming you are correct, I think rather than trying to shut down video games we should try to address those issues instead?
No matter what Reason one selects Violence to view, one IS being exposed to violence. Is anger the after affect/effect ?
I believe the attraction stemming from many video games or a show such as Game of Thrones has more to do with a desire for adventure and a longing for contact with the harsh reality of life. There's something about the gore that makes it all more realistic, it adds to the shock when you get to see a beloved main character perish.
I believe, the more safe, comfortable and ordered our day to day environment becomes, the more we are going to be drawn to this type of entertainment.
We seek what we dont have in our lives and as a generally modern society we are sheltered from the brutality of the past and so these things intrigue us. One movie came to mind is The Postman, there is a scene where all of these hardened brutal and violent futuristic survivors have access to a drive in movie theatre, the weak and timid person running the projector wants to watch an action movie and the violent crowd pelts the projector booth until he puts their movie on, the one they always want to watch which is The Sound of Music. I am sure that people living through war, famine or brutality wouldn't want more of it in their lives in whatever escape time they have from that life.
All of that is lamé compared to the extreme gore & horror of the 70s & 80s.
Or maybe us humans have a natural proclivity towards voilence because we've been killing each other since the dawn of time. It's in our DNA to want to fight and kill that's why the UFC's motto is "as real as it gets."
Bingo
I met a nun, some years back - very beautiful in her person and appearance. She had been in the cloister for 20/30 years or so, and was doing some missionary work which took her outside the convent. As she was almost a time traveller to our world, I asked her what she thought had changed the most in society. She said she was shocked by the amount of violence on tv.
Alot of these people believe they are normal. They tend to believe other people are crazy.
As a male who came of age around the time of Mortal Kombat, the attraction for me personally wasn't the gore, but that the fatalities were a secret code that not everybody knew.
As a longtime advocate of GTA rampages as a therapeutic vent, I can say that there is NO animal torture in the games. Hunting pigeons in a new York city type setting is not torture, it's culling an overgrown flock. The only torture that happens is to human people and as a comprehensive player of the series I will guarantee that only nasty criminal characters get that treatment. But you can also run over pedestrians randomly, just like in real life. Only a psychopath wouldn't be able to discern the difference and not know that is a bad idea.
yeah this is overreaching as fuck, even Game of Thrones example, I don't watch it for the gore, i watch it for the cleverly written plot. I also watch such shows because it takes me to difference place other than real life, same like with games.
I am quite into mortal Kombat, but not just for that gore thing , i am generally into video games and mk has a good story too , the characters their relations , their background, their designs thats what i love
I don't even think "therapeutic venting" is what that game is good for. The overwhelming majority of people playing video games with violence are doing it because the game itself is fun and they are looking for fun/escapism. It's very evident to all of us that it's a game, not real, and not us projecting violent desires.
By the logic in this video, MMA fighters are 1 step away from serial killers.
You believe that you are retorting his argument here when you are actually strengthening it. Normal people do not find it therapeutic to have virtual rampages lol
@@tear728 but they do because there are millions of gamers.
"GTA, kill bystanders, torture animals - people are paying for that stuff" same BS as rocknroll in the 60s, metal in the 70s, 80s, etc. Not one bit of violence indicators went up since people played games like this. BTW the goal in GTA is not to kill bystanders and torture animals...
It’s a form of shadow work.
I am an avid gamer and objectively speaking based on my experience, I do not think of any morality when I play games and I am hurting the "bad guys". But, of the story introduces characters that affects me, morality comes into play. Child, women, elderly, and hurt people who are hurting people; when I encounter them in the games, my morality sets in. Most of the time, there are times that I just hurt and shoot who I want since I know that it is not reality. I am interested to understand the Psyche on this.
Imagination in children requires role playing the opposed type of person. In games I am a thief I am a murderer, and a violent supremacist. But that's because I will never be that in life, and I wish to see what the fuss is about from their perspective. Games present perfect simulated learning and fun.
This guys kids must be cursed lol.
@Dale Lerette Jordan Peterson said something cool in one of his lectures;
*Pre-emptive correction* was a technique invented by Hitler, and led to a tragic and shameful genocide. That's exactly what I see when people say video games cause psychopathic behaviour.
Then I think 'ok so which games am I allowed and which games should I burn'
Replace games with book and 2023 with 1942...
@Dale Lerette Yeah it's something like you are disgusted by a person, and so you look for pre-emptive signs in others of that archetype.
So maybe you are 10 years old and you are abused by a person who listens to Rock music. Now in future, unbeknown to you when you see a person who likes Rock music - you avoid them because you are pre-emptively selecting them out as a possible abuser.
Pre-emptive correction is where you are directly altering a persons beliefs and behaviours based on their potential to turn out "bad". And that is what people are doing where they say ban books or games.
They're basically saying the people who like this stuff are evil meanies and if we take away all their games and books and say "Fuck you Nazi!" to them all, magically equality will appear!
Lol it's ridiculous but they're all doing it all of the time. I watch channels claiming to be about freedom of press and speech wanting things banned. Banning stuff isn't a solution to poor thought, it's the condemnation of imagination which to my mind - puts you on a pathway to misery and finally, vengeance / psychopathy.
Watch the lectures, they're no joke man :)
@Dale Lerette I don't really see the big deal, a social engineering company has purchased all your comic heroes and wants to use them as a bunch of gay and trans iconography faces. Just go and buy different comics then.
What are you attached at the hip to the old ones? They're not the same you are in an abusive relationship then aren't you now.
Vote with your wallet.
@Dale Lerette I never met Stan Lee personally, and so I can't say whether he is a good or a bad person. I am not even saying it's a good or a bad thing, because that depends on who you ask.
I am saying that a company bought the rights to all those characters and if people don't like that direction, they are free to read other comics which they do like.
My point is that people should make fewer demands upon things they dislike, where lots of other people do like them. And just find something closer to what they do like, rather than trying to change everything into what they like at the expense of true diversity.
Not just more gays or trans representation, I mean actual diversity like creative and imaginative stories and people. I could care less about which sexuality the characters are because for me that is excluded from the story.
If I want my characters sexualised then I can watch pornography. Comics are not just a poster to display which current set of genitals you favour, neither are they a poster to say this politic is good or bad. Good or bad isn't subjective for me, none of the people described here know what good or bad really means anyway.
This purist segmentation of people's thoughts and opinions will directly lead to low intellect zombies rioting about nothing in the streets starved and impoverished. It's about more than a few gay characters in a comic book.
In relation to Stan Lee challenging some comicbook code, well that's not for me to say - I don't know the first thing about it. All I know is I used to like reading comics and thought that they were cool.
These days I don't. Not because they're not representative of me though!!! LOL they were never representative of me, they represented fantasy characters which could never be real. Or so I thought!
Maybe I just needed to self identify as Wolverine and drop the pretense that he isn't based on my real person :D
One point to be made: Rewind to year 450 A.D. and the Hun military is bearing down on your village and family. At this moment the Dark Tetrad is not only quite attractive but downright essential. Fast forward to 2023 and "How can you play that horrible video game, you little psycho".
I was related to a very mentally ill sociopathic person, my sister. I am amazed that she didn’t murder me at some point. I got as far away from her as fast as I could because I felt she was more than capable of doing that. She died at 49 and all I felt was relief.
It's cool how Dr Delroy is eager to share his concise take on all that. Jordan Peterson as usual shows great elegance in directing the flow of information, and positively adding in his own experience.
About what has not been said here : I would be interested in learning about the usefulness of noticing the emotional response to nostalgic evocations when someone is too knowledgeable in psychology to resist (probably without malice) misdirecting the clinician...
a similar question came up during one of the classes i attended, though in this case it's more about whether knowing the parameters of survey tools (i.e. which question influence which factor) would invalidate the tool if it were to be used on that person. And it would (since the person filling the survey won't be answering the question, rather they are sculpting an image of themselves by answering the tool a certain way)! There needs to be some good faith in the participant's end for the tool to not be invalidated!
@@Kevin-lx7rb , then there are the "hours of flight" of the practitioner (seen here as a co-pilot) who permits to pull out an instinctive perception of the truth, even if the participant is of bad faith...I mean invalid does not mean exempt of information.
Thanks!
This is some high level of observation, its so hard to see the difference between normal and non-normal because of the sneaky mutation of non-normal things into normal things. I think the new generations will have a difficult time dealing with this kind of global psychological change, the more i get to know or in this case notice and take note of it, the more i worry about the future.
Here's an idea; perhaps us humans as we call ourselves are just in fact animals.
I would say that being entertained by violence and video games and being entertained by actual videos of people, being killed and enjoying it, are very two different things. The sadist get enjoyment out of people being tormented. Actual people. I’m also indifference to the hockey analogy because they aren’t cheering because they want to see somebody get hurt, they are cheering because of the competitiveness of the fight.
Well, some of what he mentioned as examples of “sadism,” I believe is much more closely related to and explained by tribalism and mating/ sociological instinct. Football teams for example, you want YOUR tribe to win and to exert dominance. The dominance factor can come in the form of violence, like many other animals.
However, the silence that he mentioned, which typically occurs when a player gets really injured, I believe that is a deeply human trait. Especially amongst a wealthy nation whose baseline needs are mostly satisfied and beyond. That is the empathy. Very few in the crowd are reveling in a visceral and immediately serious injury. Those select few who are would be your true Sadists.
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@@manicmadpanickedman2249 this is terrifying haha wtf
@@manicmadpanickedman2249 Matthew 24:1-18
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24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 *And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down*
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
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16 *Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains*
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
yeah, i was thinking that as well. cheering for your favorite boxer is not sadism. that's the most absurd example you can think of. these two men have gotten into the ring, expecting to get hurt. professionals. it's their job. you pick a side and you cheer for that side. none of that says you like watching others get hurt.
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Been playing videos game all my life. Never committed any crime . I am now 34 with a beautiful wife and 2 kids. I don't think video game have to do anything.
A darker humor seems to be growing as well, abstracting pain to absurdity is a way of bypassing the empathy of the situation.
e.g. A man loses his eye sight, that's ok cause..... It's always in the last place you look.
13:40 - Yes, it's true, in GTA you can kill innocent bystanders and step on their heads. If you want to. You don't have to do that. The same is true for life in reality. You can do those things there too, if you want to. What you want to look for is who revels in doing those dark things in GTA, rather than stunts, exploration, character building, moral choice theory in contextual story situations, etc. What people truly gravitate to in GTA might inform you of their likely chosen behaviors were reality to place them in a situation where they wouldn't face consequences for doing those things. You have to add to this the fact that those playing GTA know that none of the people are real - they are all programmed, unthinking constructs. So it also makes sense that a person can switch off their "empathy" to explore in situations where no one is actually suffering despite what's happening on screen.
I remember having a go at a psychopathic rampage in GTA a few times and what I found was that I am not one of the people who can switch off their empathy even when the characters are just depictions of real people rather than actually real. I just felt kind of sick after about 10 minutes of that, and that was that. What I like about GTA is the simulation aspect - the physics, the world-building, the complexity of what you can do in that microcosm of a city - a lot of the time in GTA I just go cruising around the city. Now, especially older versions of GTA were designed such that it was very difficult to cruise around the city without doing something accidentally wrong that would get the police chasing you. And, in those cases, no I don't stop, pull over, and give myself up. There's fun in outrunning the pretend cops and getting away. AND, if you stop and turn to fight the police, in GTA no matter what you do, the situation just gets worse and worse for you when you do that. Just like in real life. There is no escape through violence in GTA - you might buy some time and then make a run for it, but things escalate quickly just like in real life. So there's a realistic balance there. GTA 5 had a character you were forced to play, Trevor, who was a psychopath and there were times when you were almost forced to do psychopathic things - I didn't like that. Call of Duty also dabbled in making people do terrible things, which I also didn't like. You should never be forced by a game like GTA to do something abhorrent - it's not the right play for that kind of game format.
You must learn to be a monster then learn to control it! That’s what I’m teaching my son. He is a gently soul, and a great kid but I’m afraid he’s not going to stand up for himself then fall into depression like his mother so I truly hope he takes after me in his teenage years and becomes strong and isn’t afraid to fight even if it’s a losing fight. Defend yourself and defend those weaker than you! That’s how I grew up.
Teach him godliness. What is good protects the self and others. What is evil brings harm. Jesus is the best teacher.
Bully the bullies is what you're saying?
I moved to Utah about 5+ years ago. It amazes me to see how people here are always interested in scamming their neighbors. A lot of get rich quick schemes and arrogant attitudes. Its weird how they act. I actual had a guy at work ask me what my side hustle was. When I said I didn’t have one, he was confused and said,‘’everyone has a side hustle.”
Utah: land of the MLM
Richard Christy then had a great career in prank phone calls and as a death metal drummer.
I was looking for this comment 😊
Very interesting. I was already a follower of Peterson. I like Dr Delroy’s sensitivity and intelligence. I will see what he has written.
Interesting conversation. We are not to rejoice in others misfortunes. We offer assistance and prayers. Thank you Jordan ✝️❤️
Jordan knows nothing about Christianity. THIS is Christianity according to Jesus in MATTHEW 25:31-46 ❤️🐑❤️. When Jordan dedicates himself to caring for the poor, needy, ill, foreigner, and imprisoned, and teaches his followers to do the same, rather than worship him and his insuffereable musings, then you may have something.
@@marz9676 I don’t worship Jordan. I only worship God. I genuinely admire and respect Jordan because he is a wonderful and beautiful human. Only Jordan knows if he has a personal relationship with God. We all have different gifts and talents to share, Jordan is simply sharing his. Even though I’m aware of the majority of what he shares I still find him fascinating, brilliant and kind. He cares for humanity, especially lost men. Listen, we all need to help the less fortunate because when we do, we are helping Jesus Christ. We’re not suppose to advertise our good deeds. You have a wonderful and blessed day. ✝️
@🕊 Veritas et Amor But Jordan, and the Conservative Christian movement, do not follow Christ as they claim. They are the false prophets of Matt. 7. To follow Christ is to walk in the Fruit of the Spirit, which is the will of the father. That means only people who exemplify LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONG-SUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS, and TEMPERANCE to the world are Christians. Conservatives are ashamed to be so soft, empathetic, and caring. Conservatives certainly are not known for their bleeding heart charity to the "poor, needy, ill, foreigners, and imprisoned" WHICH IS REQUIRED to be sorted with the redeemed at the final judgment in MATTHEW 25: 31-46 ❤️🐑❤️. Conservatives abide by the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" gospel. They aren't for handouts to those "least of these" people. You can't remove the Fruit of the Spirit from Christianity. You can't remove CHARITY from Christianity. "Beware of false prophets...ye shall know them by their fruit."
@@marz9676 Jordan has undoubtedly helped numerous people who are poor, needy, ill, foreign, or imprisoned with his words and advice about life. Likewise, I'd imagine those who follow Jordan Peterson's teachings would do the same. Even if he didn't however, we must avoid judging the level of piety of someone we surely couldn't know well personally.
People like violence and suffering online yet I worked in a hospital and few people could hack watching real mental or physical suffering. This is real life and brutal. Personally I despise watching or hearing about violence esp as a Christian.
I believe we trend toward the dark side in the virtual world because we are seeking that which is out of reach in reality. I don't necessarily fear it or see it as a bad thing.
Once upon a time we could only see the world through direct experience, one side of one story at a time, now we see through each others eyes in ways never before achievable. We have direct and unlimited access to all the stories and their outcomes at will. Through virtualization we can experience the lives and lessons of both the victims and the perpetrators without ever actually living either path. It allows us to communicate the lessons of good and evil from entire lifetimes within mere minutes.
Instead of trial and error, we have references to draw upon. The experiences make us better, more complete people, not monsters.
I think we do juust becaise there is a pack of accountability. Its easier to be evil when no one is watching.
Thats why we ahould ALWAYS live like Jesus is always standing next to us. Not easy. But with training you can.
@@celuiquipeut6527 I think ultimately it's not in ones own best interest to be evil or to sin and oversight doesn't need to be a factor. It's easy to sin and be evil but it's rarely, if ever, actually beneficial on any long term scale.
@@tjwoosta Thats the whole tragedy. We keep sinning regardless. Its like a drug addict who cant help himself.
@@celuiquipeut6527 I'm not sure we have the perspective to determine if its a tragedy or a comedy. Overcoming sin comes from understanding sin and understanding sin comes from experiencing sin. I don't think God makes mistakes, it's a self organizing system. The world is not broken, there is no battle of good and evil, we just haven't accepted that they are two sides of the same coin.
@@tjwoosta Yeah, you can think all you want. I trust my creator. I've had enough experience with him to know better. Also, how can you not see there IS a war. It is so obvious...
Im sure most people do not play to release anger, I personally see it more as a dopamine fix, its real time accomplishments. I never go and think "wow this looks so violent, how cool." I more so just enjoy the competition, socializing real time with no social buffer, and the feeling of accomplishment when you out shoot/ out think another person. I only think violent games are more popular because it makes the competition that much more intense and captivating, you have to put your proverbial life on the line and it makes the feeling of accomplishment all that much more exciting. I don't think it has much at all to do with sadism in most cases. The real sadists are the hackers who only hack to make other people rage quit and the people who talk down to others and troll people to try and make them cry or get frustrated.
I am an empath. My first conscious awareness of this was in 3rd grade. I was the new kid in the school at the time, and didn’t have any personal relationships with any of the students or with the teacher. One day the teacher harshly criticized a boy in the class, and suddenly I had to put my face down on the desk, as I felt completely humiliated and devastated. On a conscious level I knew the teacher had targeted someone else not me, but somehow I became him and felt his humiliation for him! Have had many experiences with taking on other people’s pain since then. One example was my younger sister, who was my opposite and enjoyed hurting others, and we had very little to do with each other as adults. But out of the blue, I began to feel like something was upsetting her, and she needed support. I drove several hours to see her at her house, and it turned out her husband of a year had just left her for a man. (This was over 40 years ago, when this was quite shocking.). She had not told anyone in the family yet. As we talked, she suddenly changed, and seemed much happier, while I started feeling terrible. I took on her pain without any conscious effort to do so. Interestingly, this experience did not result in any improvement in our relationship. She seemed to take it completely for granted, and remained very cold towards me.
She used to physically push me around a bit when we were little (we’re only 18 months apart), and then tell me how weak she considered me to be since I wasn’t interested in pushing back. I do remember how shocked I was when she starting torturing our cat for her amusement. I was so young that I wasn’t making any moral judgements, it just made no sense to me. I couldn’t understand it.
She ended up manipulating my mother into rejecting my 2 other siblings and myself so she could inherit all her money. Our mother’s will stipulated sending the 3 of us each a registered letter from her when she died, telling each one of us how much she hated us. So my sister is very wealthy, and won the game she was playing. It never occurred to the three of us to try to “win” all the $. Point is she was a manipulative person at a very young age, and I was an empath without any conscious effort...and it started very early, it wasn’t learned behavior.
She is also very dependent on alcohol, and I don’t drink, and never have. She is now a big believer in a cult in spite of the fact the leader’s various prophecies of a devastating Madrid fault earthquake fail to come true, and she claims that flying saucers are repeatedly directly hovering over her house for hours at a time, as the zeta aliens are eager to communicate with her personally. No one else where she resides has ever seen any of these events occur. It doesn’t appear to me that her personality orientation has worked out that well for her, in spite of her wealth.
I have no idea if she plays video games, or enjoys violent professional sports, but I do know she enjoys making others suffer. She clearly has a narcissistic personality disorder, but I lack the data to link her personal traits into this bigger picture of how these various personality disorders converge with striking similarities. On the other hand, I have never played a video game, dislike movies, and never attend or watch any sporting events. So my empath wiring seems to fit the psychological research, no surprise there. But I NEVER would have predicted my sister would become obsessed with a cult, and become delusional. How does that fit into the predator pattern?
Megalomania can be a trait of narcissistic personality disorder as well as having delusions of grandeur. She sounds like a covert narcissist/sociopath.
That was very interesting to read and,to be honest with you, I’m also a empath but I didn’t realise that until about 3-4 years ago when I was about 56 years old. I remember a young drug worker called James, and he was learning to become a psychologist and one day he said to me, Steve you are a very spiritual person aren’t you, and I replied, James with what I’ve seen and heard throughout my life I don’t really have much choice mate, and he said to me, I think your a empath Steve and, if I’m totally honest with you I’d never ever heard of a empath in my life, about a few months later I was looking online or on UA-cam I don’t remember but I was looking for a certain word and I saw the word empath so, I’d forgotten about what James said earlier on but, I thought oh what is a empath so I started looking it up and, I can honestly say that for the very first time in my life it all made sense, I’m 60 years old now but when I was a child about 8 or 9 years old I woke up in the night and sitting on the bottom of my bed was a old man who I’d never seen before in my life, I just looked at him I half smiled and our eyes actually met, I just turned over and went back to sleep. I told my dad in the morning and he asked me to describe him which I did and he instantly said that’s my father Steve your grandfather, I thought no more about it until a couple of years later when I went to stay with my grandmother and on the fireplace there was a little photo so I had a look and there was a old man sitting in the back garden with a black dog and believe it or not it was the same man dressed in exactly the same clothes that was sitting on the bottom of my bed two years earlier, apparently my grandfather passed away when I was just 2-3 years old from cancer, but that’s the only full apparition that I’ve ever seen but I’ve heard many spirits throughout my life, also I get like someone will say something in my mind that I can’t hear audibly I just hear in my head if that makes sense to you, I’ll give you a little example, I was sitting in my chair watching the news about 6-30 one evening and something or someone said in my mind, Steve Deena’s pregnant, that’s all that was said, now Deena’s my daughter and she’d only just turned 17 by a few days so, for 2 weeks I kept saying to myself she can’t be she’s only just turned 17 but, two weeks later I got a phone call from my ex wife and she said Steve your gonna be a granddad cause Deena’s pregnant, I couldn’t believe it but it happens a lot throughout my life, things are said in my head that actually is true it’s unbelievable really but it’s true. So yeah I too am a empath they do say apparently that most empaths don’t realise that they are empaths until later in life. But all throughout my life I can walk into a place and can pick up the vibes straight away, and I can pick up vibes from people as well, I’ve never felt I’ve belonged anywhere, I’ve always said that I felt like I’ve been persecuted, I’ve always been really good at reading peoples faces, I’ve got a photographic memory which are all traits of a empath and like I said when I read about what a empath is, for the very first time in my life it made sense, anyway I found your story very interesting Helen I presume that is your name, I really hope this all made sense to you, anyway take care of yourself okay my best wishes to you from Stevie boy in England.
@@mrfugazi6713 Steve, I didn’t realize a photographic memory was considered an empath trait...and yes, I do have a photographic memory! I also have had many experiences with the spirit world, though when I was very young it was in the form of blue orbs visiting my bedroom at night, and it scared me. Once I was in my twenties I started getting direct messages from deceased family members, and that has been a constant since. My husband died from lukemia 2 years ago, and though he goes to a lot of effort to communicate with me, I tend to block it out because his passing was so painful for me. I haven’t felt the need to block these kinds of experiences before his passing, so I’ve just fairly recently found it to be problematic. It used to be helpful to me, and I was able to allow my father to comfort me for the first six months after he passed. This is the first time I haven’t been able to deal with it. He did tell me, after he passed, I would be able to access my “healing gifts” more deeply in the future, but I don’t really care...afterall, I wasn’t able to save him, though I did save his life several times before he finally passed. Now I wonder what was the point of it all? I suspect he’s rather frustrated over trying to make contact with me...but I don’t know how to get over the pain...which is just so ironic, since I can help OTHER people with THEIR pain!😢
I'm sorry for the sufferings you endured with your sister and family. She sounds like an empty vessel
I think it's important to note that in circumstances like hockey fights, there are 2 willing combatants 1on1 in a seemingly fair fight. They both want what's taking place and there are no weapons involved. I think I have the mind of a researcher because I'm curious to see how people respond when you change the variables and then let them view and have them tell you their thoughts. Ask if they would want to watch a willing combatant beat on an unwilling individual. Or ask if they would enjoy watching 4 people hurt a woman, etc. I think most would not take pleasure in watching. But perhaps more would than I think. I don't know.
I wonder what that makes me then? I have always shied away from all violence, I never liked scary movies or going to haunted houses.
I too , hate violence and scary films.
Suffering. The more young, the more effective. When you are born in hell, you become a demon, and others are just prey. You can still have friends tho, but most won't understand you. I speak from experience.
A distinction should be made between reveling in others pain, and reveling for others reasons, while pain happens to also be occurring.
I thought the key difference between Machiavellian / psychopaths vs narcissists is the former act with intent while the latter act subconsciously
Somewhat subconsciously - but not totally. They would have to eventually become aware of their anomalous behavior.
@@johnkaylor8670 narcissism is a fantasy defense so I'm not so sure. Psychopaths are very deliberate schemers
I cant watch horror movies, apart from the ones that look away from the gore and the murderous intent going on, doesn't matter to me whether its real or not but I have seen real horror and pain as a Police Officer, Forensic Scientist and as a HCA at hospital during the pandemic. My father fought in Burma and also couldn't watch horror movies, is some of this not inherited? I can deal with real horror and pain but I can't watch it and do nothing about it?
Has anyone actually read 'the Prince?' The way everyone speaks about 'Machiavellianism' and 'what Machiavelli thought' makes me suspect no one understands him beyond a surface level reading.
The Prince is an interesting book it can be a useful tool as well.
@@rickmckee8270 Yes. It fully elucidates the true basis of political legitimacy and power. It is a wonderful read with great historical references.
I have read the Prince cover to cover,and I power through it in an afternoon, and it was in interesting book and I enjoyed it
There was some useful information to be gleaned from i
Machaivelli's the Prince it covered how leaders in the past managed their affairs and the strategic thinking that maintained you reign or what mistakes Contributed to their down fall.
The Prince was a comprehensive
guide of how to survive as a "Prince," How to maintain your
reign and not get dead! But if you are offended by the use of force for self preservation or diplomacy
to achieve your goals as a Prince
you would not appreciate the subject material.
If I'm not mistaken the Prince basically was written with the intention of being hyperbolic entertainment, nothing close to a serious political treatise
@@BaseballnfjYou are partially correct. It is hyperbolic and serious at the same time. A political satire in the true sense of a satire. Not a parody.
I love how Dr.Peterson dresses!
The torture of Trevor in GTA V repulsed a lot more people than pleased. Idk about any animal torture.
I'd say video games are not a great way to judge sadism. For the vast majority of people that play them, well, they know everything they are doing in the game is not real, it has literally zero impact on reality and there are no actual consequences (except spending your own time sitting there). When you make your pixels harm other pixels, all you are doing is triggering a visual representation of code reacting to code in a scripted manner. I think a great example of this is how some people play FPS games but are terrified to pickup and use a firearm at a range. Even though they know that they aren't going to discharge the firearm at someone and just at a piece of paper or metal down range, they still fear the sound and recoil and the very slim chance (with proper instruction) that they might harm themselves or someone, or some animal.
I do not agree with his thoughts on satism in sports. I do agree that I see it often in people. From politics and to people that hate the rich simply for being rich. The number of people that were laughing at the people in submarine before we realized that they were dead was really sad
Grand Theft Auto is a pretty good personality test by itself. It IS possible you to kill anyone, but it doesn't reward you for it. There's no gain in killing civilians. The cops come after you, some civilians fight back, there's no monetary reward, etc. It's one of my favorite games of all time because you can invest in different businesses to make money (what I do for a living, although they are legal businesses IRL) and because of the cool cars and airplanes you can buy. It would be interesting to see someone do a study about personality types by just giving someone free roam in GTA and seeing what they do.
While I agree with many of the points, as a GoT fan I have to say he's out to lunch on that topic lol. People don't watch GoT because they enjoy scenes like the Red Wedding (most people actually hate watching those scenes). People watch it bc it's engaging, and gives a real sense of surviving in a world with high mortality. It gives the heroes greater obstacles and a sense of real life danger which creates pure adrenaline. There's a difference between enjoying shows with violence and watching them specifically for the violence.
All of these dangerous traits being described begin to be commonly expressed by multiple individuals within a group once the social construct of tribalism is achieved founded on the rudimentary ideology of "us versus them" as apart of their success/survival. "Wokness" seems to fit the criteria given . . .
Thank you for the clearity. We absolutely need it. Today more than ever.
The "silly little Mario Brothers... Stuff" was also a much simpler game with worse graphics and sound, it had much simpler rules and the skill floor was right at your feet.
Pretty sure the gore and shock factor was more of an advertising tool to be honest, fighting games in general have been arcade favorites ever since they came out because of the competitive aspect, and that turned them into a spectator sport as well. You want to see the best player win.
Outstanding take. Human dichotomy is baffling, the love for violence seems to be entrenched in the human psyche.
It's often useful, in my opinion, to think back to what early man would have been doing. You can discern a good amount from that. In terms of hunting, man had to be violent. We feed on other life, whether plants or animals. We killed things to live. Killing is presumably in our DNA, but we have things set up so we don't have to now. Factories kill for us and we hit the grocery store. Plenty of war going back, as well.
Thank God. I thought I was the only one only one who couldn’t sit through an episode of Game of Thrones. Now I feel validated
Very interesting. I want to point out also as a sadistic trait that the reason why car accidents increase the traffic of the road is generally not because of the presence of the cars itself, but because people slow down when they are close to the accident in order to see better if "anything interesting" happened.
People attend motor racing, and a crash is a real highlight.
Maybe they look to make sure people are helping the victims.
People slow down for their own reasons. Not sadistic like you. They generally are curious what happened and if everything is ok . Or what actually happened. Not sadistic .
along with the others tho probly a smaller group who are hoping people are ok and praying for them
This is not sadistic behaviour. We do these thinks becauss evolutionary it is important for us to observe what happens around us, especially when people die, because we can learn to avoid dangerous situations like that for ourselves.
Like a stoneage man would surely want to investigate a fellow dead human next to a berry bush to learn that these berries might be toxic.
Been dealing with a dark tetrad type for some years now. An in-law who's a hidden enemy, uses religion as cover, which I guess is why she was able to stay under the radar till now.
I definitely agree that sadism is completely normal and seen in normal people. I'm not saying it's a positive thing, but sadism has been a part of almost every single human society, even when it comes to sadism for one's enemies. I am pretty confident that it's just part of the human condition.
I believe my ex to be a psychopath. He fits the bill here. Impulsive, thrill seeker, sadistic. He got off on seeing me distraught. He even got turned on if i was physically ill. Vomiting. It was extremely unsettling. Thank godness i got away.
Interesting story.. however about the Game of Thrones...everyone can have an opinion about how to categorize things into this or that. And especially experts like to think within the box. But the real question is here about ethics itself. Do we consider reading or watching a story where murder is one of the main tension drivers unethical? Is my lovely and old mum who loves reading crime books unethical? I don't think so...
My husband brought up a good point about the necessity of old style bullies. They bring people back to reality. Think about it. Bullies often picked on the kid escaping in a novel, or a videogame. Just anyone escaping reality. Think of the jock knocking the kids book out of his hand. Helped keep people grounded in reality. Now we don't have those kinds of bullies. We have bullies keeping people out of reality.
That only happens in John Hughes films. IRL, jocks have zero interest in anyone outside of their own athletic world, and bullies can be anyone in any group.
I suppose the reason why we see jocks and cheerleaders portrayed as bullies in fiction is that the writers need an excuse for characters from different cliques to interact with one another, and an easy way to do this is by creating a clique hierarchy. But, in a real high school setting, different cliques are almost completely disconnected from one another.
Even when I came out as gay in high school, I didn't even exist to the jocks. Only in a world where kids never have schoolwork or extracurricular activities would they have the time to pick on me. In fact, I'll admit I was the one who bullied a lot of the people I did associate with.
@A I guess every school is different. My school there was virtually no bullying. If there was it was a large group of black students harassing the white students in the hallway when they felt like it. And they were ignored because it took too long to get to class without their BS anyway. My husband's schools, and his fathers schools, jocks most certainly bullied nerds from stories I've listened to.
what a phenomenally misguided view lol.
That's how create either a useless being or a cruel person....I'm guessing ur head is little softer than normal people
Nah. I think bullies are cowards that just pick on people smaller and weaker than them. Those people than cope with Harry Potter or whatever to escape their Hell of a life.
Mortal Kombat is also just a highly competitive game, and my understanding of it leads me to believe that that's much bigger a factor in its popularity than how violent it is. The kind of competition you get in games like Mario is much more niche, as it pretty much only consists of stuff like speedrunning.
It seems to be quite the common problem among people without the gaming sphere to see only the surface of what people are doing in games, often that which they find most shocking, and fail to see why people *actually* play them.
No I just liked MK, because I could do lehal finishers and the disclaimer to that guy in the video is no life was harmed in the playing of the game. It''s all pixel on pixel action so all fantasy no reality.
Great interview and very true!!! ❤❤❤
Violence plays on the baser animal instincts which we have domesticated out of ourselves. If left to our own devices, it would only take a single generation to revert back to being animals. Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists are just more in tune and closer to the more animal instincts than the general population. If you watch any nature documentary, there are examples of all of these disorders in animals. And it really just shows that there is almost no difference between humans and our animal counterparts. The only difference is our capacity for self acknowledgement (sentience) and higher learning. Most animals have narrow minds. Eat, drink, sleep. Those are the 3 baser instincts that drive our survival. Without which all life would perish. As humans, we've figured out how to elaborate more things in between. But there are many examples of animals in the wild also displaying signs of more complex emotions. So in some cases, the animals we fear as wild beasts are more human than some humans themselves. We only distinguish them because we are human and they are not. But there really isn't that much different about us. Humans and chimpanzees are from my knowledge and understanding the only species that have the propensity to injure or kill just for the fun of it, because they didn't like what another individual was doing at that particular moment. Most other animals only do it for defending or hunting to eat. Not just for the fun of doing it. I'm not saying there aren't examples of other animals having those characteristics. But it is much more prevalent in monkey type species. The hominid species I believe. Humans being the final rendition
Time to anxiously watch this video worrying that I'm a psychopath.
Edit: I took the MACH-IV and scored a 58/100. I'm slightly bothered, but I do believe in honesty, I am callous and distrusting of others, and (not that I'm interested in doing so) do believe, especially in this day and age, that people are manipulable.
Exactly
If you were a psychopath you couldn't be worried whether you might be a psychopath or not.
Frankly I'm more curious. If I was, it wouldn't change much.
Doesn't matter, most of them are successful and very few are criminals.
I recommend other people do it as well. It takes only few minutes. I scored 89/100. I suppose if one is very naive with how world works they will score low. Some questions were really retard.
In doing deliverance ministry, it’s funny to me how psychologists have come up with these fancy names for unborn again people with unclean spirits. That’s why there’s so much overlap, because you’re really just measuring different functions of the same root: sin and wickedness.
The answer? Get born again and find someone who can cast the demons out of your soul.
It doesn’t have to be so hard.
Very interesting information because unfortunately I have had two of the personalities in my life through three individuals since I was 23. I am now 57 and one of those people still exists in my daughter, the narcissist. This toxic relationship, no matter how much it breaks my heart, is going to be now in God's hands as it always should have been. This is a great tragedy in my life. My two granddaughters, 2 and 7, will suffer greatly. Especially the oldest who spends every weekend with me and I take to church. The Psychopath died one and a half years ago. Therapy has taught me much although I don't go anymore. Listening to Dr. Peterson has been an intrinsic value. Please listen to all he has to say. You will learn much. Keep these Toxic relationships out of your life. Thank you God for getting me through.
God is able. Praise Jesus, God is good.
Have them in our own family and it's extremely disturbing, as they are older siblings. It has literally put our family in a lifetime of Hardcore battles with them. I don't wish them death, but they definitely need peace... But with those kind of people, unfortunately I believe that death is the only answer for them. Thankfully I raised my kids not to be that way and to avoid them as much as possible
I, too, went no contact with my psychopath sister and ordered my child from ever have contact with her . Changing continents helped me, too, as my toxic Machiavellian sister thrived on spreading her venom to my far relatives as well. I cut ties with them all and I believe that friends I select are thicker than blood! 😊
Forget god , it should’ve been in your hands
Why do psychos have a particular hate for Christianity? I see it early and I know that person will be miserable and hateful. And then they will end up blaming it on God in secret, whilst claiming that the individual is god to them. It's absolutely radioactive.
14:00 Yes, finally someone called out Game of Thrones.
Interesting. I loved mortal Kombat when it first came out on NES, my friend and I would play for hours. We never got into any physically violent confrontations or anything, even though I had taken martial arts for years.
GOT disgusted me on so many levels I'll never watch it again, but I have friends that absolutely love it.
I switched my focus from Kenpo to Escrima twenty years ago because all Kenpo had left to teach me was 101 ways to kill a man.
I don't need that information rattling around inside my head so I focused more on FMA after that.
I don't even practice the knife techniques or tactical moves because they focus solely on killing your opponent. I don't want that in my life.
I also don't own a gun which, nearly every friend I have that doesn't practice martial arts, has at least one.
Now at 51, it's about stand up, physical chess, basically. It's fun and at 51, it's hard to find things that are actually fun that I have any interest in.
What are you trying to say here man?
@@gravygraves5112 I enjoy a certain amount of violence in entertainment, but if I'm not involved in it directly, I'm bored and would rather play.
Physical combat is fun if you're not trying to kill the other person. Wrestling for instance is a great way to pit yourself against another man, one on one, and test your mettle.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is fun too when you leave out the unsportsmanlike "ground and pound". If you enjoy inflicting pain on your opponent, you're a sadist.
Didn't you understand the video?
I can honestly say I never feel exhilaration from any suffering. Even if it is the death of a hideous abusive murderous psychopath.
What I find interesting about this clip is that you can really tell when someone is a true scientist, by which I mean someone who is genuinely interested in finding out how and why things are what they are, regardless of whatever it might be. As opposed to people who have an opinion and are seeking to confirm it.
Regarding stuff like violent video games: I think that everybody has a little bit of bloodlust in us. It's what makes us able to hunt, to defend our homes and families, and when sublimated, to compete in the world. Some people have more of it than others, and in some people it rises to the level of the unacceptable. But I don't think it's a horrible thing that you can play these impulses out in video games knowing that you're not really hurting anything but a cluster of pixels.
But at what point do those things cause a lack of empathy, and desensitization to seeing and watching violence? I personally believe they cause desensitization to watching violence and death. I had an ex that I will use as an example. He met my veteran cousin, and expressed to him how excited he was to get to kill people or shoot at people in battle. He said it would be just like his video games. My cousin was horrified. There are a lot of people who share that opinion. I am curious to see what the effect of watching and playing violent video games on children is.
@@breannaboswell1286 I think "desensitization" over stigmatized. Without a little bit, you're running around constantly getting the vapors about every little thing. Toughen up. It's good for you.
@@breannaboswell1286 Breanna, I completely agree with your point and sympathize with your view. Repeatedly, freely expressing aggression - without any consequences - cannot but reinforce the concept in real life. I'm not saying such people WILL act it out, but just might be more inclined to.
I moved school a lot when I was young and kids can be cruel and as a result I hate bullies I would never allow it though I found the best was a quick violent response to violence on me, a kid tried to bully me over a game of cricket, I honestly thought he was joking until he hit me in the face so I grabbed his arm and twisted it up his back, he fell to the floor screaming for his mum, I could have jumped on him and kicked his head in but that's not me he was down that'll do. years later I saw him trying to bully my friend who was terrified but it says a lot about bullies even though he was bigger than me he was still scared of me so I was able to put a stop to that with some words. I hate bullies.
This gave me an insight thank you. Yes it is horrifying. PTSD level horrifying. Praise God for his love and able hands
Lol wtf you are weak.
This was absolutely terrific
I saw sadism when it came to mask mandates. "Wear a mask or I won't let you have what you want." It gave mindless losers power.
I took some dark triad tests, and I always scored super high in psychopathy like 94%. But I am not a bad person at all, and actually rather timid, thoughtful and considerate. This makes me wonder if it's just the result of the emotional aspects behind thoughts. Because I normally don't consider emotions when I think, but I do consider other people's. (Not when I was younger though). I wanted to be a good person, so why would I hurt people? I thought about all the consequences of all my actions, and what it means. The downside is, now I am scared to hurt anyone, and I ended up being the only one who is ever "hurt", but I rarely am affected by other people's thoughts against me. I tend to hate how my inner image doesn't match up with what I do manage to portray towards other people though.
THANK GOD . I AM A PSYCHOPATH. I WAS WORRIED I MIGHT NOT BE
Interesting because as he points out, the literature overlaps. The sadist,didn't know it was personality trait but look up the German SCHADENFREUDE. ** Schadenfreude is the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.** i know in all languages there are words that another language doesn't have comparable, but schadenfreude is an "emotion" but you would have to be a sadist to "feel" it.
As someone who has played a lot of games where you "hurt" and "kill" pieces of code, I've never thought it'd be fun to just go kill or torture someone or something. It's ok precisely because I realize they're not animals or people. He doesn't understand violent video game players, he doesn't like violent video games players, and then slanders them. Vilifying people who aren't villains is very irresponsible and evil. If he wants to see who's being villainous in all of this, he should look in the mirror.
I watched 3 minutes of Game of Thrones....it completely horrified me. Never ever wished to see another minute of it again
Psychopaths are cold hearted, cold, calculating people, sociopaths are hot headed people and can’t control their own emotions and actions. So there’s that
Psychopath are born like this (Or that's what people says) but I can assure you sociopath are made. I speak from experience. I've seen psychologist in juvenile detention center for a crime I did for free, sadistic crime. They said it was because of my hell childhood I had. And that make sense honestly, when I look at it as an adult. I consider myself lucky tho, because I prefer to be a god damn sociopath than a normal person. Emotions are weak and a burden, for society, and in your life. Just do what you gotta do people.
Anything you look for in others negative or positive you will ultimately see (or assume to see), simply because the observer is seeking the answer they desire for the outcome of the experiment. This occurs across a broad array of social constructs from - law and medicine, quantum science; to parenting and social interactions in general.
Once someone says not to think about a pink elephant, try not to think about a pink elephant.
Humanity is good at trying to construct labels for the idea of identification.
My questions are truly-
How many people have falsely been accused , only later to be found innocent of their so called crime ?
How many people have been misdiagnosed ?
How many people have died trying to live to the societal norms ?
what did the sadist do to the masochist...
nothing.
I can't watch sports or horror flicks that show people getting hurt. I've always been that way, I just turn my head and don't enjoy it. I
Most loving parents show strong signs of Machiavellianism . . . constantly manipulating their childrens behaviour.
Machiavellianism implies manipulation for self-gain though. If a parent manipulates their child into eating broccoli instead of candy that is not Machiavellianism.
Loving or controlling? 👀
I think these parents are usually misintentioned.
@Red Toberts No, it's called parenting. Guiding. If you don't guide children, then they'll grow up like wild animals, totally unprepared for the outside world. Children aren't born knowing everything they need to know to thrive in the society they live in, and you can't just tell them, because they won't believe you. If you try to make them conform, they rebel. The only option is to guide them surreptitiously. Manipulation, if you want to call it that. Parents who don't do it don't give a rat's patooty about their kids.
My confess, I too am a controlling Machiavellian. I'm always ordering my dog to get off the dangerous road and stay in the safe yard. It's a 'cry-over' from telling my sons the same thing. Did it all out of complete selfishness. Wanted them all to live long lives. Forgive the 'Machiavellian' care in me and the many other's who may believe there is a time and place for everything in the world and all of us have a place in time.
I think Lt. Col. Grossman found a good answer to the response to violence, which is that so many of us see it as a strange and foreign thing. It’s no different from the ankles of furniture being scandalous in the Victorian Era
This is a skit right. The Reverend Jim "Iggy" Ignatowski from Taxi 1970s reprised.
People might not want to hear this but
Jeffrey dahmer (the guy in the thumbnail) who was known as the Milwaukee cannibal, wasn't actually an psychopath..we can call him sociopath but was he really an psychopath?? I really don't think so
He was just very sick and evil, not an psychopath nor was he narcissistic
I remember seeing a doctor who wrote a book about psychopaths and there are nine traits that psychopaths have he said he knew about these traits because he said he was a psychopath.
@chefboyhardbeat1890i think it's scam