*Etymology*. *Independent*nation……… *sovereign*nation….. what’s the power structure in these nations what’s the financial structure in these nations how do these nations interACT on the world STAGE. You can’t call me your royal *highness* or your *Excellency* or your right *honourable* person in a position of power or a *distinguished* person. ……….I have very little to no *power* I don’t employ anybody. *Autocracy*. Etymology…….
"I've never met an intelligent person who wasn't troubled." It comes with the burden of thought. The more you think, the deeper you go. Lots of beauty to unlock. But also a lot of pain.
I agree. It sad in a way. Because you have so much to share but not many are interested in listening and not many value the things you do so even though you hang out and interact with people all day you come home and feel lonely anyways and eventually you don’t feel that being around certain people is worth it.
You don't get to choose to not pay a price, only which price you're going to pay. We deep thinkers believe we all thirst for and want deeper knowledge, but often at a faster pace than we're actually ready to receive it.
@@ChubakaSteven Choose I have troubles with that because in todays world we think we can choose but can we really choose. Free will not free will. I have tought about it a lot. And with most things I come to a point that I leave opening for everything. And I know I dont know.
Agreed. I stopped hanging out with most people when one day it dawned on me that I was hanging out for the sake of hanging out. Very often these people didn't actually bring anything to my life, yet I was going out of my way to make sure I had people to hang out with Friday night because, well, that's what you are "supposed" to do. Now I only do things I'll genuinely be interested in and happy to be a part of and I'm way happier despite spending so much time alone. The people I used to hang out with were nice people and all, bu† the issue was with "fit". We weren't like minded so I stopped pretending. I'd rather listen to like minded people on a UA-cam channel by myself than socialize with people I have little in common with.
@@jasondashney exactly! I remember being miserable in high school because I felt I had no real friends and I had to “perform” to act like everyone else. Mostly I hated sitting there trying to pretend to be interested in gossip and discussions about sex/relationships. To this day I cannot understand all the songs about romantic love (let alone raunchy sex). I love UA-cam. It’s my BFF.
@@patientzero5685 The Internet is great. It has allowed me to understand that other people share my thoughts, or at least some of them. It has inspired me to start a channel (under a different name) soon and hopefully I can help some people realize they aren’t alone. It’s great that you stopped trying to pretend. I think trying to have a conversation with someone about something you couldn’t care less about is absolutely exhausting beyond belief.
@@patientzero5685 Thanks! These days I'm just bashing around my new audio equipment after work like a 2001 Space Odyssey monkey. I'm not the brightest but people far dumber than I have mastered it so I'm sure I'll be fine. Cheers!
I wish I had friends who loved to discuss ideas. I am constantly analyzing everything that is going on around me and trying to understand why people are the way that they are, what is contributing to our current culture and where it is going- but I have no one to really talk to it about. Except maybe my dad. He’s brilliant. But anyway… it is lonely. I wish there were more people who loved to grapple with ideas around me.
I feel that so much. I’m wondering what you think about this, but I often ask myself if I’m really interested in peoples behaviour and why they do the things they do or if I’m just trying to control everything to not get rejected or hurt.
Look! The guy above me is someone who likes that sort of stuff. There are a lot of people that could connect with your way of thinking. You just have to search for them. The internet is a great place. There are discord servers for philosophy, psychology etc. Good luck!
Go to school, find a field that covers that and that you find interesting. Pursue an education in that and I can guarantee you’ll meet atleast a few likeminded people
The best person you can share deep thoughts is with your family.. If you have a pure relationship with your father enjoy because will not be forever.. What i mean for natural curse of life our parents will die first than us.. Unfortunately for few life has meaning for others.. Its all about me, my feelings, egos, empty souls .. Peace
“I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly. I perceive that this, too, was vexation of spirit; for in much wisdom, there is much grief, and he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.”
Ecclesiastes 1 : 17 -18 Everything that man thinks that makes them smart and special is nothing new under the sun. Nobody came up with a new idea. Everything has already been written in the Bible. I used to think that the more authors I read, the more knowledge and wisdom I will have. The more I read I understand the Bible I come to find out that every things have just been borrowed from the Bible.
Well. When you spend more time thinking deep, you spend less time with people so it’s possible. A small sacrifice to avoid casual conversation that is boring. Most people can’t have deep conversations without becoming emotional and offended so we just talk about the weather and gossip about others. So inspiring.
@@dirtroadscholar also people tend to react to things that they think are true about themselves in negative way. Like saying fat isn't healthy, fat people will be more likely to be offended and talk about body positivity. If you start talking about male aggression or female manipulation both are liable to get offended there.
It explains why no matter how many people I hang out with I still feel lonely. I’m not able to express my mind often as these people can’t take it seriously or simply don’t understand it. That’s when the loneliness hits.
Keep searching and eventually you’ll find one or two that you can go into massive amounts of depth with very little effort. It only takes one person to change your perception of communication. A few weeks ago we spent an hour talking about what the most useless instrument was (it’s a triangle, FYI), and it was great.
It makes it difficult and is very isolating when people can't relate. I'm starved for the conversation of like-minded people. Everyone with whom I'm close or simply know either doesn't care, can't relate or they become exhausted trying to keep up with my thought process. I'm learning to let go of my expectations that others really care. I listen to their issues, wants, needs and desires, but no longer subject them to mine. Ever. The two people to whom I'm closest - a sibling and my significant other - all but told me they want me to just stop talking about my passions or anything else. To just shut up. So, I did... I stopped talking about anything at all and now I just listen, ad infinitum. They never even noticed. It's saddening and isolating. I am considering seeking out a therapist for the sole purpose of having someone to talk to about my thoughts and feelings.
At 28 I hit a wave of self reflection and self awareness. I now analyze almost every situation I'm involved in, and came away with some profound and enlightening conclusions about myself and the world. I am 29 now, and can tell you that, yes, I do feel more lonely. But I wouldn't go back for anything. It also allowed me to love myself like I never have, and the solidarity is refreshing, like spending time with a good friend.
Absolutely. Nobody could pay me any amount of anything to go back to hating myself, believing 100% that I don't deserve good things nor to even live at all, taking every opportunity possible to put myself down, and putting every single other person on a pedestal above myself. Had I not found my way into the light of awareness and love, I probably wouldn't be here right now. Or at least, I'd be miserable and strongly considering leaving this Earthly plane of being. I don't blame Christianity or religion as a whole, but part of the reason for this strange behavior in me was the sickness of modern cultural detritus being imprinted upon my very pure mind and soul as a young child, being bullied in school, poor health, and being taught by my single mother (who was by no means a perfect parent, far from it) that the order of importance of beings in life goes: 1. God 2. Other people 3. Myself. (Update: It was also implied that animals were below these, so I ended up doing some mean things to some of our pets which I regretted not too long after) From a young age I was made to believe that I was objectively inferior to everyone else in the world. Is that child abuse? I don't know if I'd go that far, because I don't think she knew what she was actually doing to me in the long term. She thought she was doing the right thing. But then again, the results were absolutely hellish (though not *entirely* her fault) so I'm still on the fence.
I need to know the answer to this, although I know ultimately it’s not one size fits all but I need insight. I’m DYING inside because I can’t seem to like myself although I try but my method of approach hasn’t been working and I’m 25!!! . I love myself but I don’t like myself because I have too many flaws I can’t overlook yet can’t change.. it’s torture .
I’m 19 and I’ve seen this my whole life. Literally shocked there are some teens more mature than people that are 30+. I go to work my my 50+ year old coworkers sound like children, gossiping, whispering, whining and bickering over literal nonsense. It’s like I’m in highschool.
I’m sure it didn’t help that you were ripped out of HS probably around 15-16. Very important years to socialize & be around other students but it wasn’t considered “essential.” I had 3 co-workers that were all around 19-20 and was impressed that they were pretty well-rounded; though we like to think with age comes wisdom unfortunately wisdom doesn’t always come with age.
Almost 60 and all the guys I work with remind me of how my friends and I were in Junior High. It's exhausting to be around them. There's no comparison between these guys and my Dad, my uncle and my Grandfathers. It blows my mind.
I had this at your age, I'm 26 and it's still the same, best advice I could give is don't hold it against them, it can make you bitter... it's just how they're wired up. It wasn't until I discovered podcasts, and UA-cam in particular, that I found people that had the same interests, opinions, worries and thoughts as me.
Hi, I'm 60 years old and nd I remember Highschool and the Bullshit that always went on there. I could hardly wait to be a adult so we didn't have to be around all of it anymore. I'm sorry to tell you this but it never changes. This is how people are. It sucks but it is what it is. 80 year old are like this. Just take the High Road. Always..... It's hard. I wish you a good life.👍
It’s important to realize that Jordan Peterson is also at the top of his field therefor he is always surrounded by those like minded. Normal average citizens are surrounded by significantly less like-minded individuals and it is absolutely a lonelier lifestyle. There are much less deep thinkers at the bottom where we are, than at the top.
That was my first thought as well. It's not so easy when you come up in a vastly different culture. I was born not far from JBP but we took very different paths so I've never been around intellectuals at all. **
The amount of deep thinkers in the comment section that feel the same level of loneliness brings me to tears. I never knew why I feel lonely but it seems like this is a good place to start.
Theres also the possibility that all these people are just socially incompetent an have no friends, and thus, they try to rationalize their lack of social skills by thinking "oh, maybe I have no friends because im extremely deep and smart". Think about it.
@@okalov Yes lol. Unfortunately there are far more people who are confused and haven't found a place for themselves in the world, than there are people who are "deep". Confused people mistake thoughts for ideas, and questions for hypotheses.
I highly doubt this comment section is truly as it appears. People can think deeply, it does not bring their intelligence to a level considered high, in fact, the modern world and how it isolates individuals leads to lack of social development and difficulty expressing themselves, along with a world that shows only people who have apparently figured it out. When people cannot explain something, express difficult emotions and so on, even unlikely scenarios become viable to them after enough rumination and introspection. I find myself thinking an awful lot, playing scenarios, trying to understand people, just thinking, at work, parties/social events, home, wherever I am I will stop to think generally, I don't believe this makes me intelligent as such, just curious.
I believe what sets us apart is that some people are truth seekers (deep thinkers) and others are not. Going with the flow is a lot easier than being honest with yourself.
Absolutely. Something I'm working on cultivating right now is helping others realise the value of truth. Some are more receptive than others but at some level most people I've engaged with so far seems to understand the concept.
As a deep thinker, it's hard for me to be satisfied with the simple surface level stuff. It's just not enough for me. I always want to get to the bottom of everything and learn more, know more. I have such an insatiable curiosity and thirst for knowledge. And I always have a sense that there's something meaningful going on behind everything. So im always searching for that hidden meaning.
Going with the flow would not have been easier for you perhaps. The more you understand the more you're driven not to accept the easy way out or to just get along.
So going with the flow isn't really bad. As long as u surf on a true vessel. Maybe like a kayak .. u go with the flow but still use your own energy to change or make choices in the flow .. it also allows to choose what flows to navigate. If u wipe out. Pick another flow
The deeper you think the harder it is to find people to relate to and converse with. Very few people are curious about life and the world around them and do not value understanding what they do not have to. I think our culture and society beats that curiosity out of people at a young age.
In my personal experience I have found that talking to people who I think have nothing to offer is where i found the conversation that have impacted how I view things the most.
@@chelochavez7380 Well yeah everyone can teach you something. I don’t mean it like that. I can’t stand snooty academics with their little superiority complexes. But if you’re a creative “INTP” personality or whatever you get “energy” from more complex discussions that are a mix of abstract and concrete concepts and ideas which demand a level of broad knowledge and understandings, articulation, experience, etc. It’s like a dance style, and if your partner isn’t practiced enough it isn’t very fun, unless you’re just goofin or feel up for teaching of course.
I can attest to your point about curiosity being removed at an early age. I regret dumbing myself down to reach other people in college. The problem I find today is that people are so busy trying to get any point across in a competitive fashion they barely engage the listening aspect of communication. Ironically some of the best wisdom I heard was from friends who never challenged themselves intellectually but we're forced to challenge themselves daily from a critical and spiritual standpoint. Sadly it resulted in a slow self destruct but they told me hard truths that no one else would. I have also found very few people will honestly talk about their core beliefs, it seems they are afraid of losing there foundation.
I dont necessarily think its nefarious or dull on others' part...the deeper you think, the further you delve, the longer it takes for others(not delving) to reach where you are. In some ways its sheer logistics. It doesnt follow that it takes you hours or days to think of something yet expect someone else to be able to get it the minute you bring up your finished conclusion or thought. But it is lonely, i do agree.
Every deep thinker needs one superficial, shallow friend. Cherish that person because they will keep you balanced and grounded. Do not engage in deep philosophical conversations with this friend, just accept them and play along until you are ready to go home.
Always meet people at there level, dont expect more then they can provide but have them to the highest bar they can meet. Encourage them to be there best self
I grew up dirt poor in a trailer park and in a family where no one made it out of high school. I also dropped out of high school in grade 11 and became a traveling musician for almost 15 years. At some point in that adventure I married an amazing woman. She saw so much more potential in me than I saw in myself, and she convinced me to take a stab at learning whatever I found interesting. So, I spent around 2 years reading and learning a programming language (Java) until I felt prepared to take a certification exam. I borrowed the $300, took the test, and I passed it. Fast forward almost 15 more years, and I'm now a Solutions Architect making a very comfortable living. Along the way, I gained more and more confidence in my ability to just learn whatever I found interesting. The thing I noticed is... the more I learned, the fewer friends I had... until eventually only 1 was left out of an initial 30 or so. I feel incredibly lonely because of it. If not for my wife, I think I would have just fallen back into my meaningless, destructive existence I had suffered with before. It's a really bizarre feeling... to gain self-confidence but at the price of companionship. At 41 now, its pretty hard to make new friends. So, for me, it's a very real reality that thinking more deeply; improving my mind and learning more and more... has left me smarter, but lonelier.
My husband too came out of a similar situation, I too saw a great potential in him. We are happily married with 2 children, he has become pretty successful, and I am so proud of him. We are only 34, we have been blessed, we are a great team.
I’m very similar. Lower class upbringing, figured out I could learn. Work in robotics now. I have zero friends. I mainly interact with my family, read, and spend time in nature.
i can relate to deep thinking. especially nowadays, i find myself bored with most conversations with people. i would like to talk in depth with topics but it's hard finding such people when most people you're around are in the superficial end of the pool. so it does become quite lonely sometimes, until you find the right people to be with. being a deep thinker is both a blessing and a curse, though i find more of a blessing. even if you have to make sacrifices in terms of being included in other social groups.
On the same page with here. I’ve been self reflecting/self improving and it takes a lot of deep thinking and it can be very scary but you always gain something good out of it
I think many people are interested in deep things to some extent, and willing to talk about them, but just aren’t so open at first. Small talk serves a social purpose - to break the ice - so that you can get people comfortable enough that they might share their deep thoughts later. It’s frustrating for people who just want to jump into the deep end right away, but it’s often necessary to be patient until others are ready to do so.
@@Bl0_0nd3 its not extremely lonely and boring provided you have 1 or 2 people to have deep conversations with. Having deep and intellectual convos gets tiring sometimes. Sometimes its nice to talk about cars, or memes or whatever. Definetely understand
very well said i recently been having the dilemma of feeling lonely because im not around deep thinkers and im more interested in deeper topics when talking to people
For this I am so grateful for my wife. Even if sometimes she finds deep thoughts tiresome, she always listens, understands what I'm saying and replies. After ten years of sharing my deepest thoughts and concerns with someone, I can say that I fully enjoyed the experience of sharing meaningful ideas and conversations with someone and no longer seek the listening from "aqueitances". In my younger years not having someone to really talk to felt very lonely indeed.
I can 100% sympathize with this sentiment. Meeting my husband was just like winning the lottery for me. Here was a person who also like to stay and watch movies and just talk all night long. We had deep conversations about life and philosophy, things that were going on in the world, books that we'd read. We always ended up being Outsiders and people always thought we were negative because we question everything and we don't shy away from pointing things out that are false. Not in a malicious way but just to show that they are not correct. And people usually think that we are holier than thou, arrogant, or self-righteous. We are not we are very hard on ourselves. We have extremely high standards for ourselves. I think it was fate or something that we met each other because it is so fantastic to have someone that understands. We go long periods of time in the same room without speaking, just doing our own thing and then we sometimes sit in rooms and talk for hours and hours. It's just nice to have somebody who understands your level of weirdness
I know exactly how you feel. My wife listens to me all the time and I just realized through your comment how lucky I am to have someone who listens to me and actually makes me think much deeper sometimes . She also gives me some great answers sometimes that even I am not able to think and it makes me very happy and surprised . I think my thoughts are very average thoughts but I am always amazed at the patience she has for me and my ever talking mind. Thank you for your comment.
Growing up I had adults in my life that i deeply respected and still do to this day. One thing that blew my mind as I "went out into the world" was that so many people dont grow into the mature adults I respected. More often then not people just get older seemingly without maturing at all. Still crazy to me
Yes. I've found most people reach a plateau, mentally, & they're comfortable staying there. It's like the guy at work, in his mid, late 40s', still listening to AC/DC, & you find he's comfortable also staying where he is, as far as level of training at work. And yes, I will most definitely lay some of the blame on the social acceptance of the use of drugs, combined with the legalization of recreational use of them as well. Don't even get me started on these pharmaceuticals. Bottom line though is this: It's all been done on purpose.....by design. And how it is that most people can't see this happening, right in front of their faces, is absolutely appalling.
@@stevegregory7512yup most parents are just large children that are too daft to realize that allowing your human child to be raised by a screen is very very stupid, and 90% of the population thinks brainwashing or indoctrination is a hoax and doesnt exist, so when their 9 yr old says they are trans the parents are like “i guess thats just their personality” when in reality the dam 9 yr old has been watching trans videos on tiktok recommended to them by the algorithm
I have experienced it because I have always been a deep thinker, I like to think about ideas for hours and hours and it made me feel lonely, I never talked about what I thought to anyone else because I thought they wouldn't understand my point but when I started writing my thoughts and talking to people about I felt my level of thinking increased and the lonely part disappeared slowly and I have noticed people are ready to talk about critical ideas. I have learnt this habit from Dr. Jordan
You may be an introvert . The world needs your ideas and thoughts so keep writing and talking!But this kind of thinking makes you very fatigued as you are working harder at it than the average person. Introverts think deeper and analyse deeply - it takes energy. So make sure you take time to decompress in between- put on your oxygen mask Blessings
It's VERY hard connecting with Family, etc. on deeper topics. I can't tolerate solely talking about sports, & Gossip in addition to drinking. When I Realized most people don't have anything to actually talk about, I just started minding to myself because it's exhausting being ridiculed for talking about things that matter on a grander scale
Yep I could have a more meaningful conversation with myself in my head then any of my family or friends and find myself trying less and less to make conversation with loved one as I'm so sick of hearing about tick tock bullshit news or just general gossip and feel if I try to talk about deeper things you can tell other people just aren't interested too much Brain power needed surrounded by other but can still feel lonely as hell least I know I'm not alone.😔
It’s definitely a balancing act. A high wire that I am walking most days. I think it’s good to engage with the surface thinkers, but I have a hard time giving them too much of my time. At the same time I want my ideas out there, and like it or not, they are the majority.
As an INFJ I rarely feel alone, I enjoy the solitude. Being alone with my thoughts, exploring great depths and interests is something I enjoy. My parents did a great job with us, we were told we could do anything but we’d have to work for it, have standards, be disciplined and keep learning. We watched my dad build companies from the ground up and be successful. There were failures but he’s never quit.
Thats amazing im very happy for you as a sigma INFJ. Being lonely has always been painful but it was worth it because i have achieved amazing knowledge and formulas and perhaps saved someones life.
As an INFP I completely resonate with what you said. I never feel alone and I love my own company. I am never bored:) Nothing in the outside world can even compare to my highly imaginative inner world.
Male INFJ here. I understand what you're saying. I too have built a company. It's pretty cool. Sometimes I do enjoy my solitude but it's like 50/50. I want to share my inner world with someone else and feel understood. But that kind of acceptance is so rare for our type.
Loneliness is one stage before realising that your personality, up until that point, has been defined by the reflection of it in others. Imagine suddenly noticing that this was why we are educated in large groups. Imagine finding out that we, as a collective, are much easier to control in groups, which seems to be the death of critical thinking. Imagine suddenly finding freedom and strength in yourself, rather than by being sheep and following everyone else. If you are here, you'll probably find The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind by Gustave Le Bon, and Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego very useful reads. But more important than those is Soren Kierkegaard's The Crowd is Untruth.
I remember understanding in my childhood that my personality was essentially an amalgam of my friends, and that relatively little of who I was was me. I didn't see it as a bad thing. I understood it was a social cohesion mechanism. I was grateful for it. Hell, it wasn't until I started listening to Jordan Peterson that that changed, when I realized most of my friends had no interest in fixing their broken lives. You can bet your last dollar I felt alone after that wake up call.
A Soren Kierkegaard reader...never thought I would meet one on UA-cam...I like "Provocations". I will give the crowd is untruth a read. If you have interest in God...Richard Baxter is also a grounded person to read from.
It's not deep-thinking that makes you lonely, it's over-thinking. Getting so caught up in your thoughts that you arrive at inaccurate conclusions detached from the world outside your head is what drives wedges between you and others. I have learned this through experience, and the best way to avoid such problems is to not take things too seriously. Meet new people, try new things, and just enjoy yourself, while being moderately cautious. Trust but verify.
That can definitely be the case, but it doesn't HAVE to be the case. Sometimes you don't have to start over-thinking to come to conclusions about events or people that create friction and divides. Sometimes just understanding enough about something or someone can enable you to see patterns over months and years, and seeing extremely negative choices and behavioral patterns can lead you to grow away from it. We sure can over-think ourselves into a bad position, but sometimes all it takes is just a little normal thinking to see things for what they are, and sometimes what they are is something you want nothing to do with.
There is a difference between loneliness and solitude. As a deep thinker myself, i frequently need to be alone for a considerable amount of time. But I can't remember ever feeling sad about that.. If i want to, i can meet up with someone or just make new friends on the spot. But i never felt the need to be around people all the time. I don't really "miss" people that easily either. I do try to visit my parents and hang out with friends at least once a month, but I'm doing it more for them than for me. And if people just cut me out of their lives without any reason, I'm fine with that too. I would be wondering if they are doing okay but i won't get upset or anything. I don't understand why some people can't be just with themselves for some time. I like to go to the cinema all by myself, i've done solo trips. I'm not afraid to stay alone with my thoughts. I enjoy thinking about complicated things.
@omar yeah yeah, try not talking with someone for 6 months and say that again. You NEED some amount of friends and socialization. This guy said that he has no friends yet he meets with them once a month. That's a lot. I don't hang out with people at all
@@JAKE-ng8yr haha where did I say I have no friends? And if you know you need some socialization, why don't you? There is the risk of insanity that comes after a certain time, depending on the individual. There are people who can't even be 24hrs without human interaction, mostly women. But if you're fine like this, then fine. If you do want to socialize I recommend joining communities because you have a higher chance to meet like-minded people. And when you do meet a like minded person, you hang out every week trust me. I can have intellectual discussions hours on end about something I'm interested in.
@@Kyoto99952 i dont hang out because i dont have anyone to hang out with? Are you dumb? What is that question? If I had friends I woudn't cry about not having friends
I love the way Jordan Peterson structures his ideas in a clear and straight fashion, showing a deep understanding of what he's talking about. in my opinion he's one of the best communicators in the world.
he has you and many others duped he's a narc hack-fraud with a savior complex and he got injected - he works for the elites to herd the masses for divide & conquer
Why do you feel it's the most important time in your life? Does this not set you up for failure when you're an adult? Can you honestly say to yourself that you'll be able to live a happy genuine life with that self limiting belief?
I’ve been known to be an extroverted type, but deep down I’ve always been a deep thinker for as long as I can remember. Friends have often said I’m an old soul, that I think too much, but I wouldn’t want it any other way. Trying to understand the deeper meaning behind events in my life, why certain situations happened, and how did it all affect up to the present moment. I’ve often said I don’t see my life in a linear pattern, but more like a web of connections . It can be hard to build truly deep and meaningful bonds, but they’re amazing when they do happen.
I live with my husband and oldest daughter and I’ve gone through a number of awakenings and have had a major shift in myself. My mind has grown and I have changed. I’ve always been a deep thinker and was misunderstood as a child so growing up I had a hard time making myself understand because I’m a deep thinker. My husband and daughter are not interested in what I say when I try to engage them in conversation that goes further than the weather or their job or anything that requires more input and when I start taking about things on a deep level they look at me like I’m crazy. I feel very much alone at times. But I do love art and music and long walks and I’m a painter and I’m currently working on a book so I I fill myself with creativity and having a creative mind and I’m happy and find joy in the simple things. I love my solitude and my own company.
It really sucks when the ones you love can't meet your wavelength intellectually, I get it. Anyway, cherish what you have though, because it is a beautiful gift, although none may see it like you do.
Deep thinking isn't a bad thing at all. Its only through this that I realised I can change the way I think. As opposed to being stuck in toxic programming from childhood and thinking I was a hostage to this way of thinking as an adult.
I have spent most of my life being told that I think too much. I grew up in a family where children were to be seen, not heard. My father spent a large proportion of my childhood trying to beat the curiosity and inquisitiveness out of me. To this day, I have to know why. I can't take things at face value. I have an interest in literature and history. Art and music can move me deeply. But as an asian female, I am regarded as an oddity by my immediate social circle (people I can't avoid). Even in a room full of people I feel intrinsically alone. I participate in conversations that I have very little intetest in and bite my lip when I hear some of the narrow minded perspectives that really upset me and I desperately want to challenge. But, in all honesty, I actually envy these people. They live their lives going with the flow of things. They take things on faith and don't question any deeper. They don't trouble themselves with what's happening in the wider world. They are content to adhere to society norms, good or bad and live solely within the constructs of their personal worlds. I have spent a lifetime trying and failing to conform and assimilate into this society. In the end, I have been left with serious mental health issues and no sense of identity . I feel cursed by my intelligence.
I know this is 4 months later but I hope you’re doing ok and sorry you had to deal with all of that. I don’t mean this in an arrogant way but people like us are actually mentally strong and normies are jealous and intimidated. I hope you can manage to be around some people who lift you up and appreciate you for who you are.
Naz by your own description your identity is one of an highly intelligent person that enjoys the fine arts and meaningful conversations. That's a beautiful thing. I can relate 100% with your story. Being an intelligent deep thinker isn't the issue, in my humble opinion. Maybe its low self esteem caused by the childhood relationship with your father. What has worked for me is positive daily self reflection, giving thanks for everything as well as being thankful for my own gifts and accomplishments. I think too much also, so channeling those thoughts into Positive self talk is important. External acceptance from certain social settings is usually temporary anyway. Sometimes the people closest to us are not the best for us. I like NB's reply and if I may add by suggesting that it's ok to be your own best friend at times. We are in challenging times right now and we are not as "alone" as we think we are. Just by reading the comments here you can see that. I hope you find peace.
I hear you. My loneliness is the same as yours, and I’m incredibly conflicted with the whole ordeal of it because at times I am struck by a searing clarity of thought issued by my capacity to think deeply/have intellectual empathy … other times, this very characteristic makes me want to run away from the world of man to a faraway land where no one knows me because only then will my apparent loneliness diffuse. I have entered university and am constantly surrounded my people, whose names and personalities I forgot either because they are all indistinguishable or I myself am too socially exhausted. Due to this loneliness brought on by a deeper capacity for thought, I feel disconnected from my peers, to the point where I mostly find myself being the friend who jokes around or provides comedic relief or is emotionally unserious because … I think I take on this role because I don’t want people actually experience how hard it is to connect with me (given it’s easier to be around someone whose laid back and only there to lift your spirits). I take on this role because, at this point in my life, it’s easier to be amicable with someone using my outward personality rather than risk social isolation by exposing my inner self. In a given situation, there’s so much I want to say, that I end up saying nothing at all. Anyways, there’s my useless little rant. I hope you can relate to a little of what I am saying, as I too am an Asian women (specifically South Asian). If you want to talk about anything more, or just want to share more thoughts, my contacts are below: Instagram - @earthlingmash Email - mashiyat.ahmed2004@gmail.com
Also late to the table, but - embrace it! Allow yourself to revel in what your mind turns to, what information your brain seeks out - the information your brain takes in. Do it simply for your own pleasure. Today I sit wondering how fantastic it would be if the internet hadn't been set up to capture and/or manipulate people. Instead if it had been set up to share all the information of the world just for the pleasure of self education! What a wondrous thing. I walk with a prospectors eye glass - and look at things close - that is how I came to believe in creation. There needs to be someone/something with huge endless heart to create such beauty as the world holds. Figure out your reason for why you are here now - at this great time of turbulence. There is a reason you are who you are right this minute. Trust in that.
I've lost most of my friends, for expressing different opinions during the last 6 years. It's not satisfying being proved right and losing your friends, but I can't ignore facts.
It’s actually arrogant defining oneself as right which will result in you losing friends due to your attitude and inflexibility. Opinions are just that, a viewpoint from a perspective you’ve chosen to defend, they’re not factual or truths. A fact, especially in science, is transient awaiting a disruptive finding to break the consensus surrounding it. There are few facts. There are a multitude of speculations that hold for now.
@@brynleytalbot778 some things are opinions, and some things are right and wrong. If you refuse to tolerate wrong from your friends you'll end up lonely, and if you beat yourself up over it you'll end up hating yourself too.
@@brynleytalbot778 life is full of arrogance and ego. It's also full of right and wrong. Trying to remove all arrogance from oneself is not something that is going to help you in today's society. Pandering after friends that are treating you wrong probably won't end well either.
In my experience ( degree in philosophy) being somebody who constantly thinks about things deeply, I have found very like minded people. And formed deep bonds with them over sharing thoughts and debates. Problem is, all those people either move away, or just don’t stay in one place for long enough to remain in a close knit relationship. Because they want to live! They want to move around end experience the world and the different perspectives and lifestyles of others. So it’s hard to maintain relationships with those people because they tend to be nomadic in nature. They aren’t afraid of change and Adaptation, so they seek experiences and adventure. I suppose they would say the same of me.
I like that thought. I'm definitely fitting the description. it's just that in office jobs or acedemic environments most ppl are actually quite the opposite.
Everyone is a like minded person if you cast off academic pretensions and use words that fit your audience. In insular groups ideas stagnate. By spreading ideas with patience you can move others to think differently. When the psychologist enters the room and brushes the string the problem of tying two hanging strings together that are apart but you can only reach one, suddenly becomes simpler, a classical study of solving a task. On moving around you only escape your own barriers to expanding yourself within the immediate environment because you’d rather not make an effort to engage with those below your intelligence. It’s a folly that will hit as you age. I’m afraid intellectual thinkers often aren’t deep thinkers, they’re just desperate to appear so to a set of peers.
I wish I had a degree so that I could say I have a degree. Oh wait. I DO have a degree.... in Spanish.... while I teach English in Asia. College is largely a scam depending on the major. I didn't take my life seriously most of the time, so I did not prepare. But that's not so bad since being in Southeast Asia is better than being in the biggest nuclear target in history this WW3.
I've been reading through these comments and they're fascinating. This is a community of like-minded thinkers who are lonely, all unable to reach out to the very people in this comment section who share your position. Theres probably a discord server somewhere for people, like us, to make friends and have good chats - you just have to be brave enough to reach out. ❤️
I agree but there's just something about being in the same room with the people you are talking to so you can see their expressions and hear their voice. Yeah Zoom is a thing but it's just not the same as having a chat over a drink on a patio, ya know? I've always wished there was a social media site where you can just make friends for the sake of making friends. Meetup sorta, kinda does that a tiny bit but you don't always need a hobby to bond over.
I don't think intelligent people want chatter which is idle small talk. Blah, blah blah. You can find that sort of interaction at a bus stop. They want thoughtful conversations, much more difficult to find.
I've tried being brave and the biggest problem I've faced is that people tend to be so LOUD man. I'm just not a loud person. It seems to me like there's more noise in the world than ever before (which makes sense, because the Earth has the highest population ever). It's hard to find the space to make these conversations happen. But yes, sign me up too!
I am only just learning to dig deeper into my needs and wants and the depths of my love for myself. I am definitely alone. But I am far from lonely. I’ve felt lonely most of my life whistle being surrounded by people who fit with my facade. Be unforgivably you. Set your mind free. Start LIVING
It is important to have "healthy" deep thinkers in your social circle. Going deep into the abyss can spell doom. Not just for yourself, but those around you. You can become a poison. It is vital to lift each other up in deep thoughts.
You dont understand anything, your just a such social individual, dont pretendent saying that all of us ha e to get some healthy deep think on our groups, thats completely wrong. If you need to have a someone like that ist because your not deep thinker at all because they dont need the company of other deep thinkers.
@@alex_foxy245 well ... If you think you're a "deep thinker" you'd notice how lonely it is to be the only one around doing that. Being lonely brings alot of negative traits with it. Having others who can think deeply creates a piggyback effect as well. "Birds of a feather ..." "Iron sharpens iron" "two brains are better than one" "the more perspective you consider, the better strategy you can formulate"
I had my first child at 19. I was often scolded by older mothers for allowing him to climb trees and explore away from me. He’s now 14 and very responsible and hilarious. He knows how to say the most inappropriate things and somehow people don’t get too upset with him for it. I am so glad I had him young it made us very close.
You might want to discourage some of that behaviour from him, they're not upset with him, they're upset with you. You know it's inappropriate - then it is and you must stop it. This is not the age to be 'very close', it's the time for you to be a parent and not a friend, even if you don't know how.
@@somguy728 A video with a fantastic conversation about deep thinking, and you spew the most generic parenting rules and structure to someone expressing their great relationship with their child and the challenges they had to uptake. Please revise the video and come back. I find that the kids who have no filter are always the ones with the kindest hearts as they only want to bring laughter to the room!
You did great, my parents were also both 19 when they had me, and now im 20 they are 40 and it is indeed the most privileged thing I have, it’s like having best friends as your parents. And I think it’s supposed to be so, because your souls went into this reality together.
@@milocommentacc.7250 I think you will always be a parent, but you must win their heart. Always be interested in what they're doing. Cultivate the relationship. I'm the first of 10 children and I had 2 of my own. I wasn't perfect. Also, you must set boundaries. Children feel secure with boundaries.🤗
I’ve been a deep thinker ever since I was little, I found Greek mythology when I was 11 and then philosophy when I was 12. It helped me to feel more understood, but I felt alienated from most. Especially those my own age. Since I’ve gotten older I still struggle with this, but I deeply appreciate those I can connect with and genuinely share my thoughts with. It’s far better than pretending to be interested in whatever is trending with the majority.
*_John 3.16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”_* _Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you and your family._
I am a 52 yr old guy and I only discovered within the last 2 years that there is nothing 'wrong' with my not being interested in most people. I honestly hate small talk more than physical pain. I do think we are designed to be social so I am still trying to figure it all out.
I had the same discovery around the same age as well. I also believe that some are gifted with socializing and some are gifted with the ability to think deeply and solve problems. Some are creative or are gifted with productivity or leadership abilities. I dont neccesarily think we are all social, I think our differences are complementary and we all have a role to play in society. I must admit that I find interaction with people in some cases to be painful and I dont feel bad about it a bit.
I'm a 19 yr old and I absolutely despise small talk, theres no substance in it. Nothing genuine. I learned very early what people I do want to be around and the people I dont. I observed my parents and my brothers, and none of them really live the way I want to. I want to enjoy life, but there's no joy in selfishness I've found. Joy is divided between people and that's what I'm trying to do, it just gets really hard. I need to work harder, there is this girl I work with though. Were very similar too, but I'm not sure how it's going yet, I guess I just gotta keep trying. I wish you the best!
They say I’m an introvert just because I don’t like small talk and listen most of the time. I think to myself “Two ears one mouth for a reason”. I don’t like talking but I like brooding over things.
From my experience, my deeply cerebral and intuitive thinking -- my ability to notice extreme subtlety/small details and recognize patterns, while remaining based in empathy and maintaining a high order of self-awareness/consciousness is met with acceptance and kindness from total strangers through small, random acts of generosity, compassion, etc. and downright hostility from "friends" (especially of the above-average intelligence group who believe they've concluded life's struggles and solved its complexities). Generally they only want to hear what I have to say and only regard my critical thinking aptitude when what I say aligns with their worldviews, and generally avoid two-sided conversation when I have a deeply informed, objective opinion on something. And of course, I always receive no small amount of judgment and ridicule, but normally through gossip as I learn about it later through the grapevine. As a result, at 32, I've developed the ability to make friendly acquaintances with almost anyone and thoroughly loathe more intimate relationships with just about everyone, and completely keep people at bay with a well-crafted facade. I truly believe narcissism is severely under-reported and underestimated in human societies as as whole, and no longer believe that sociopathy/psyscopathy are black and white flags but rather a gradient of personality traits. What I'm not sure of, however, is whether they're on the rise as a result of some larger phenomenon (like social media, constant instant gratification, etc.) or have always been widespread amongst humanity and I can just detect it now (maybe it's a bit of both). All I know is, as I've gotten older, wiser, calmer and more methodical/pragmatic in my thought process and response to social webs and less optimistic, I've become a lot more reluctant in my capacity to apply empathy in situations, and extremely wary of people and society. Sometimes I feel a bit misanthropic, but I am mostly disgusted with the way humanity operates in modern society. Mostly, I'm just exhausted with people and their constant need for ego stroking and drama fabrication. When you get burned time after time, and taken advantage of people who craft nice little sob stories and play the victim but also have mastered the ability to manipulate good-hearted people, you just don't operate the same way on a fundamental level anymore. I haven't abandoned my morals just to fit with a (really global at this point) society whose moral compass decays rapidly monthly, and as such spend most of my time alone or with my children, but I no longer have the naive innocence/patience I once used to and I no longer suffer arrogant assholes. I'm no longer passive and will defend myself when necessary. I have learned that the best defense against selfish, narcissistic friends/family, is to go radio-silent. You can't win an ego battle with them, and you can never get justice if you're wronged by one. Even though I am alone now, for the most part, I almost NEVER feel ALONE. When you conquer little bits of yourself, over time, you become less adjusted towards social groups/groupthink. Being strong doesn't mean you become like them to survive. Just keep fighting your silent battles, never seek recognition, work hard in private, and the results WILL manifest themselves for you. Always be grateful of something, but never become complacent (one of the few actual sins in the Tao Te Ching) because you stop growing. There's always work to do and an improvement to be made somewhere. You can always strive to be better than you were, without becoming ambitious or being greedy for more.
That was a great read. I resonate with a lot of this. More power to you. I feel strength in your character. How ironic that strength isn't viewed for how stout introspective people can be? Weakness and vulnerability is actually a strength that many don't process imo. Opening yourself to exploitiveness is a real sign of comfortability and secureness among an ocean of students that are still in the first year of life. They're still wanting the rest of society to be their parents and satiate their attachments disorders are resentments to how life should be because they don't process as is, they have concocted black and white thinking defense mechanisms the cope. This keeps them rigid in their reality testing.
Amazingly put. This really resonated with me too. You sound like a highly astute individual who understands themselves and society on a far grander stage than what most come to accept. Thank you for your thoughts. Wish you all the best.
Keen observations. But what if you are in fact wrong? It is within the realm of possible, no? I think it’s wise to ask yourself that question as often as you can. Keep it firmly in mind …“could I be wrong?” Cognitive biases are tricky devils, and they plague every last one of us. It is easy to call out others under that spell, but very hard to see our own…even when we know they are there. Do some real digging, try to really find your own cognitive biases and recognize them for what they are. It is possible
Mine as well, I spend too much time alone thinking about everything under the sun but also tend to worry a lot about things even when these things are beyond my control, nice to know there is others in the world like myself
Peterson is lonely not because he's a deep thinker, it's because he is fangirling for Hitler ("you gotta hand it to the guy"), advocating for violence (that time he was upset that society says it's not okay to punch a woman who criticized him in the face and cried about it on air) and is a straight up anti-vaxxer (the time he lost it on twitter, insulted Trudeau and then said "give me death before you give me the vaccine" and complete buffoon (doesn't know what post-modernists are and that they're not synonymous with marxists) and climate change denier (couldn't tell climate and weather apart to save his life but still opened his dumb pie-hole to talk about it for hours) :D but yeah ^^ "hE iS lOnElY bEcAuSe hE iS a dEeP tHiNkEr"
This video popped up in my feed after waking up and being truly over the feeling of being trapped inside a prison of thought and contemplation. I was truly debating where the bullet should be aimed to minimize failure. Thank you Dr. Peterson. It’s lonely, but never forget, one man’s curse is another man’s blessing. Change your perspective.
I've always been a relatively deep thinker. I tend to think deeply, philosophically and broadly about things. I find that I generally have to repress my wish to speak on this level, because most just aren't interested and don't understand. So, yeah, in my experience, it makes it much harder to find people you connect with.
The arrogance astounds me within these comments. A connection doesn’t need to be intellectual. Maybe your barista should occupy your time on every visit expanding the intellectual depth of the coffee. Everyone will listen just so long as you don’t play intellectual superiority by using a vocabulary they don’t understand to appear smarter than you are, which they shun as you really appear arrogant and dumb. It’s how you express ideas that move others and opens doors within their minds which they then want to fill with interest. Academia is a toxic dump where ideas die within vocabularies to exclude rather than include. It’s a closed shop. A sad situation that’s not improving.
@@brynleytalbot778 I’ve been seeing you respond to everyone who expresses themself as a deep thinker and you immediately accuse them of arrogance. To me it seems you are the arrogant one for shaming other peoples lived experiences. Maybe realize there is truth to the statement? Or I suppose you know FOR A FACT that it’s just arrogance. Get a grip
I can kind of see your point but I think a lot of deep thinkers are also just frustrated. I am a deep thinker and good at expressing myself. People much older than me have always come to me for advice about life and been astounded at how much I know despite being in my early 20s. It's lonley. Very lonley to make friends. I can fit in anywhere because of my social smarts but I'm always compromising a part of myself to fit in with other 20 year olds. I have better conversations with people in their 40s and 50s and 60s but they're at different stages in their life and we can't fully connect on life needs.
@@yellow_airman There’s a trend to join a clique through falsehoods about oneself. It’s an unsavoury practice in social media. I’ve only read a few comments whose language use expresses a true sense of deep thinking. Most comments convey a desire to join/create a clique.
Listening to professor Peterson is always challenging and educational. I think deeply but I wouldn't say I was lonely. I have less "friends" than many but those I have are valuable. Also those of us who think deeply tend to be rather disagreeable because we challenge the narrative and that does not always make friends because to be friends with us requires work.
Very true. The hardest part is that this mindset is nothing somebody can see with their eyes. Creates a lot of masking situations where people expect you to play by the script and you exhaustingly have to play their pretend games. Its mind boggling that society as a large portion take the daily life of acting out a character and saying pre scripted lines they use every time as the natural way for people to be.
*_John 3.16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”_* _Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you, and the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you and your family._
As someone who grew up in America, it is funny that we were told we can be whatever we want when we grow up because A LOT of people have judged me for my career choice even though its perfectly legal to pursue and have always been playing musical instruments, performing live, and recording music. The real quote should be "You can be whatever you want when you grow up, but we get to judge your decision."
It’s great to see a community of like-minded deep thinkers in the comment section. I’ve grown up quite shy and quiet, who had trouble making friends and ended up being alone most of the time. I noticed that I had social anxiety during my teenage and young adult years. Then in my mid-20s, I started coming to the conclusion that my self-awareness and deep thinking made me get used to being alone. Solitude had always been an option for me but at the same time I know personal connection with people other than my family at home is what I secretly wished I had. Anyhow, as long as your content with being in solitude and able to make an effort to share your own thoughts with others, even when they might not share the same thinking/energy as you, at least they’ll understand you as a person and learn from you as a result. Empathy and compassion for others is also a must as giving even a shred of insight can make a large revelation for someone else.
The way to go is clarity of thinking rather than deep thinking. Deep thinking will drown you, clarity of thinking will allow you to see through your thoughts and get to the root of it. I dont advocate for deep thoughts cos you will be overwhelmed. Reflecting deeply must be accompanied with opposing opinions and thoughts to gain an unbiased perspective and focused scope of thought. Communication & organizations of thoughts in stages is key.
@@tafseerahmad7383 yes. Look for the fifth discipline by peter senge. It explains how you can clearly identify and challenge your own personal assumptions, beliefs, biases and lack of understanding on the motivations of a certain topics. Think of this as the mud in the water that clouds your judgement. If you have clear water, no matter how deep you go, you can clearly navigate but if you are in muddy water how can you know if there is a crocodile lurking in that water. Think of it that way.
@tafseerahmad7383 having deep thinking without clarity of thought is dangerous. That is what leads to strong radical beliefs. People who think too deeply will refuse to see other perspectives that opposes their thinking which will actually cloud your judgement which is supposed to be based off facts rather than opinions, beliefs and biases. Humans are rationalizing creatures, not rationale ones. We question more than we actually know. We are more of a believer and then a factual creature. We are not as logical as computers where they are either right or wrong, on or off. Very binary and objective. We are more subjective, tend to argue more and dont really know anything till we tried it, failed and learn from it. If we had to learn from failure, then you havent really think enough. If the failure doesnt effect your life, no worries but if its fatal to your life, ambitions or career, then you know you have not thinked clearly enough to the point you are unaware of the dangers lurking from your own poor decisions. The bigger picture is seldom viewed through a deep lense but a clear lense. There is nothing to see, learn or observe or think if everything is so dark like the depth of the ocean, just like deep thinking. You gain nothing from it without clarity. You cannot invent a power source without 1st learning basic laws of electrical and mechanical physics. Facts are usually theories or beliefs unless it has become a law.
I spent a long time with people I didn’t like. Many years I sat on a couch alone as others talked over me (barring my parents). Within the past year I have since told these people how I feel, how they make others feel, and how they could change. I made new friends and found completely new hobbies. I am 100x happier now than I was even 3 years ago. I’m glad I’ve learned to be less agreeable and I never could have done it without Jordan.
As I reflect upon why I so intensely resonate with Jordan Peterson, it occurs to me that he manages to clearly and precisely articulate many things I’ve thought but either have been unable to express or lacked the time to express. Something about that builds up a great deal of trust in me towards him. I certainly don’t agree with everything he believes, but I believe he is doing his upmost to be genuine and honest. I certainly am more willing to accept his truth claims when compared with those of commercial or ideological (religious, philosophical and/or political) representatives such as professors/experts, actors/journalists, politicians/leaders, or fundamentalists/activists. He is passionately dispassionate about so many things, but passionate about human potential and self-determination. He is also passionate about uncovering self-deception and deception in general. I admire Jordan Peterson.
he deceived you most of all. Peterson is laughably wrong in almost every subject he touches. Just check out what he thought he said about "climate" while confusing it with "weather" xD
@@kaivogel253 Perhaps. But his position on the climate agrees entirely with the position of all seven climatologists who I know personally. My counter argument is that you may be the one who is deceived by the systematic biases of main stream media with their penchant for junk science. I also possess a degree in psychology and I commend Peterson for standing against a leftist/PC/woke ideological campaign to reshape psychology in particular, corrupt academia broadly, and to frankly disfigure society according to their very extreme agenda. As a critical thinker, I immediately reject intellectual or scientific paradigms that silence, censor, belittle or otherwise marginalize alternative perspectives. I consider those who embrace such bullying to be either cowards, useful idiots, those who would negotiate/compromise with evildoers or the bullies themselves. A vast number of people buy into climate hysteria, but Peterson is right in two ways: 1) The crisis is largely a manufactured one, and 2) inasmuch as we have impacted the climate, we have no idea how to address it.
I think it's truth. Truth always resonates but you have to be honestly seeking it. Children are the heart of truth without ego, their observations will bring down a self described, 'deep thinker' faster than reality.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche
it's like we still struggle with this FACT that.......it's super rare, but sometimes........it isn't really "you" that's the problem..... but literally every goddamn body else 😂😂😂
ideally, we should be wary of everyone's advice and assess situations case-by-case, that doesn't mean that we can't take inspiration from what others say. Especially if it's someone whose job was to think. It's not even Nietzsche but Rudyard Kipling who said that btw
I believe deep thinking is associated with paying attention to small detail even in a person's conversation or tone of voice, so immediately when you start understanding that you can't have an intellectual conversation with that person, you have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.
Absolutely correct. Thinking deeply is a trait rare amongst most people and if you're mind works in an uncommon way then you're not going to be with the common. It's been the story of my life, I push people away because I'm deterred by how shallow others think and others deter me because they think I'm too complicated.
You display judgement and arrogance which aren’t positive. It’s the ability to engage at all levels and tailor your vocabulary to the audience that defines a truly deep thinker. The attempt to distance oneself simply exhibits a profound character deficit.
@@brynleytalbot778 true, also the fact he claims to know the reason why others dont associate with him, which is cuz hes too complicated, is quite arrogant to say. maybe youre just exhausting to deal with? because you put your needs way above those of the people around you?
Wisdom is realizing yeah... It's not common. Common sense ain't common. XD Hell most people don't want to or actively seek not to think too deeply about anything.
Also don't listen to these doubters. People never wanna omit the possibility that you might have evidence and experience to back uo what youre saying. Didn't come off as arrogant or anything. Anyone thats even somewhat introverted deals with the distance they created when they chose to go deeper. Group mechanics are very real and not everyone chooses to go along with them creating again that distance. It just is what it is. Pursue and hope for like minds to find you. XD
For the people that are prone to thinking a lot, thinking is overrated for them. A new way to escape their patterns of thinking is experiential learning: meaning to be a participant in life instead of conceptualizing it.
Jordan has a point, the more I talked about my awareness I lost a lot of people but through that isolation I would have random conversations with people who could comprehend me.
I dont think theres a single person who watched this video and thought, "I'm definitely not a deep thinker", its a quality that we think we owe ourselves because of how we know so little about the way others think, effectively making the term itself subjective to the individual mind
Seeing the world one way and seeing the absurdity of what the masses do qualifies you as a deep thinker. You're not witnessing the Dunning Kruger effect.
Here's a test to see if you are a deep thinker or not: Do you care more about sports than politics? Then you're a simpleton. Do you believe the bandwagon fallacy of dumbocray is a good system? Then you're not smart. Are you proud of your country? Then you're similar to Nazis.
THANK YOU. I’ve been getting frustrated with all these comments claiming to be deeper thinkers than others… In reality, I think everyone lives a full, complex life rich with interesting thoughts and feelings. It’s just not apparent to us because not everyone wants to jump straight to talking about philosophy or whatever. Just because thoughts are not expressed doesn’t mean they’re not there…
I spend a lot of time alone due to my deep thinking, studies, research, outdoor hobbies, not having a cell phone addiction, and my independent nature I'm not really lonely to be honest, however it would be nice to make some friends into outdoor activities, sports and fitness
I can ditto your comment. Sometimes I'm left wondering "Oh, I only have one close friend apart from my wife" and then I tell this to her and she'll usually tell me to meet more people and while that sounds fun, ultimately, I'm left wondering if I'll be disappointed (which is almost always the case) when I do meet others because I'm unable to be myself and chat about deep subjects. lol. It's a merry-go-round in my head.
@@thetavibes9021 Mind's FREE to think ergo NOT a slave ergo NOT a slave to physics ero NOT physical ergo METAphysical AKA magical AKA supernatural, so I just proved spirits are real, and we must come from a Great Spirit. I've actually had to deal with atheist fanatics who resort to denying being able to think, so I tell them I debate only with thinkers; they disqualify themselves from debate.
😮 That poison, tonic and girdle statement is just a fancy way of saying change lemons (poison) into lemonades (tonic) and then girdle yourself with lemonade stands (share the tonic).
I think loneliness is a power which everyone of us underestimates. It makes you powerful gives you freedom. Weak people at first may not like it but more you stay lonely you start to like it. It tempers you and you can experience a certain aspect without actually going through its ramifications in your own life cuz you can learn it from someone else's. You can then adjust the ideas according to your own self and apply them to your life to any degree cuz you don't have anyone you don't have to worry about how your decisions will affect them. Loneliness may look painful but it makes you superior than all these naive population who need people for their existence.
Couldn't agree more. During university, I had a period of 6 months with minimal/if any contact. Within that solitude I found a form of peace. I conducted myself as I saw fit and I slowly began to confront who I wanted to be, and who I really was without the personas used when with others. It was a really important life experience for me, I think. But it can get dangerous as too much social deprivation messes with your mind like crazy.
That's true. It's just the main caveat is that you don't have anyone to share anything with. And people who enjoy solitude tend to be selfish when it comes to relationships. They don't like to fulfill the needs of others, only themselves. So making adjustments in relationships can be tough.
This was brilliant. Entering my late 20’s I have spent around 12 years constantly learning and striving towards a deeper understanding of myself striving towards self actualisation, with an almost obsessive ferocity. I’ve understood my mental health with the help of my partner (she is a psychotherapist) to such a scary degree that it feels like I’ve spent a lifetime on this stuff. In that respect I have never met anyone like me which is shocking and that has been an abyss at times. It has me thinking, at what point is ignorance bliss? Something I know I’ll never find out .
@Kelly Q I legitimately had a physical visceral reaction to reading your words 😀 Thank you for taking the time to connect! The internet can be a wonderful place.
Kelly Q said pretty much exactly what I wanted to say when reading your comment. My goodness, it's amazing. I'm only 21 and ever since I can remember I've been obsessively self analyzing and trying to improve myself. It's what I feel my whole life is about. I'm truly glad to know you two exist!
@@isabellaa.7613 It feels like a gift and a curse at the same time! One thing I’d recommend is mindfulness. If I didn’t practice mediation (again I started doing it through the lens of self improvement initially) I would not be able to take a step back and reorient myself and look at the bigger picture. A nihilistic approach but I ask myself will I be regretful on my deathbed, should I have spent more time with friends, family, my daughter instead of reading another book and learning a new skill. Something I struggled with initially when I was around 23 was that couldn’t fathom how nobody else wanted to search for a deeper meaning to the same extent. I’d say during that period was the most isolating and I kind of didn’t really like people all that much. It fostered an arrogance in me (what is wrong with everyone) that I had to eventually address. I suppose it’s something you gain with wisdom as you get older which I couldn’t force through the raw acquisition of knowledge. Mindfulness is a game changer for people like us.
@@ashleyedwards3082 that's a great advice, makes a lot of sense to me. I do often have the problem of getting too caught up in my own inner intricacies, incessantly trying to function in a "perfect" way, only to be profoundly disappointed with my own "human-ness". That arrogance is something I can relate to, unfortunately, I feel it keeps me from seeing the wisdom of simplicity. I hope to outgrow that as soon as possible :') anyways, thank you so much for putting time and effort into writing such great advice! Wish you all the best!!!
Ignorant bliss is just being ignorant towards your thinking not giving it any more content after the first initial thought. Over time your body will break free from your mind and you’ll only discover bliss which is essentially what you are. You see, no amount of logical, rational thinking can give you this experience as long as the one who is thinking has dissolved Or become hidden. If you visualize a cave man and threw language on top of him. Would he attach an I on to himself. No of course not it would just be language with nobody using it. This is real freedom and liberation.
I actually credit my ability to be by myself and be entertained by own thoughts on the fact that I'm an only child. I spent a lot of time alone and learned how to enjoy my own company. I definitely get lost in my thoughts but I'm not claiming I'm a deep thinker.
the first person to write something on here that's not complete self-absorbed bullshit. Thank you. There might still be some hope for humanity left. Peterson is a liar and a demagogue though.
@omar Yup, sad that people feel the need to be recognised. I mean we may be deep thinkers, but bragging about it is exactly what makes someone not a deep thinker. Stay humble.
thank you for being the first person in this viscerally repulsive comment thread who didn't happily diagnose themselves with being simply too smart to have friends. congratulations, you are at least better than these totally self-absorbed morons who fall for Peterson's shtick
I’m currently 19, when I was 12 I started to think for real, ”why are we here?” ”is there meaning to any of this?” And so on and so forth. I became so self reflective and obsessed with finding answers that I quickly started answering questions logically, jokes, flirts and other conversations were quickly turned into ”no but for real tho”. I can now send jokes back as hard or harder than they came as I lost my sense of filters, got no clue what love feels like, everytime my friends told me ”she’s totally into you” it never feels real, quickly goes right back to ”that can’t be, why would she choose me when you two are literally better choices”. Welp now I’m 19 and nothings really changed, still feel unlovable and don’t feel real feelings, can’t even explain them if you asked me. And still am way too logical for my age so talking to people around you is really hard as they are all talking about either small or boring stuff. Meh
@@secretname2670 hmm, the thing is, how does one simply ”act” like I can’t act if I have nothing to go act upon. I can probably research this a bit further but I can’t promise that it will bring me any peace. You mean ”act” as in when you have the opportunity to do so? Or simply ”JUST DO IT”
@@secretname2670 yeah well there’s only one way to get hit hard enough, and that’s either mentally by a potential partner or physically by getting a motorcycle. Been wanting to get one anyways so I guess 1 for 1
@@Illvzion Dont worry just keep going you're alot dumber than you think, dont be so conclusive, maybe become aware of how much you dont know and start figuring it out. Difine what it means to know. To really know any idea, you need to know what it is by defining it, how much it ranges from the smallest to the largest, the nature of it,its opposite, how it manifests, begin to see it in situations. Also having a partner or motorcycle is not what you need at all. Work on yourself first. If you dont know how then find out how. Your awareness, critical thinking and understanding of the word can be sharpened infinitely. Then your physical health. Exercise, food, posture and breath to mention a few. Then theres social things. Your relationships with people,your social understanding, your connection to people, morality, family relations. The your practical day to day skills. Conscientiousness by setting goals, taking care of yourself, seeking to grow, getting better at whatever you do. And of course have dun with it dont take it too seriously and if you dont know how to he playful and non serious then work on your ego and making it smaller and learn some philosophy on the way of life by allan watts or any zen master
I have been lonely my whole life and am only child if anything I’m used to it and it definitely has made me a deep thinker most people want someone to share their life with me being the overthinker I am just sees a divorce or unhappy marriage. To really be happy in life you have to love yourself and who you are then things will unfold as they should
'things will unfold as they should'. That's a bunch of Pollyanna bollocks, same swill that's trotted out to everyone in intolerable circumstances. 'you have to love yourself' - here's the translation: broken people are worthless and deserve to rot in lonely misery.
@@Carandini There’s narcissistic self love, an inner destructive force, and the acceptance of oneself and one’s individual qualities and values, self love, and the acknowledgment of not wishing to impose those on others, an inner positive force.
Only child here too of older parents. Learned early on, you gotta become a person you like to become your own best friend cause the opposite choice is lonelier.
Once kids left home I (Mom) spent 16 summers on a mountain in a fire lookout - thinking at whatever depth has never been a problem for me. If it is a heavier subject you go deeper! It takes what it takes and when the thinking gets tangled I always have a book to write it out in, and a road to walk out on. When it gets really messy I put in earbuds and listen to a book! Dogs are delightful to talk things over with! Seldom feel lonely.
That sounds so peaceful. I bet you came to so many realizations. For the right person, that sounds idyllic. A bit lonely perhaps, but it would certainly have its advantages.
Great and helpful conversation. I always saw things as obvious that others didn't. I felt alone and scared until I accepted, later in life, that it wasn't a disadvantage.
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Being lonely is when you complain about being alone. Being alone is when you're alone by choice. That's the difference. Hence your question is a little vague. However, deep thinkers should figure out when to be social, take away the pleasures from it, and know when exactly to get out of it. If not, the person isn't thinking deep enough.
Very true. Perhaps the only deep thought I’ve read in this comments section where there’s a deep lonely need to belong depicting a host of lonely people who’ve made themselves that way through thinking themselves too superior to engage in normal social interactions.
@@brynleytalbot778 this was a long sentence. But from what I decipher from it, I feel what's being mistaken is "wanting the like minded" with the notion of "too superior to engage in normal conversations". However, wanting to engage also depends on the possible length of the interaction too.
Not having social media and being exposed to channels like this, makes me realize I’m not the only one my age who thinks in a high resolution way. I am completely alone in a normal day. The more I seek knowledge and gain it, the more aware I become, the more superficial my relationships seem to be exposed. The circle of stimulating environments shrinks. It is sad because I realize I am more responsible for my future outcomes and my future family. The reward will be greater though and that is worth the awakening.
I'm thinking that we Americans should abandon this "you can be whatever you want to be" rhetoric in favor of honesty about how you become what you want to be. You're free to try and have any job you'd like, but achieving that is never easy.
You CANT be whatever you WANT to be.......... I know "People told us" this growing up, but.......they told me too.......and I knew from a pretty young age there was no way in hell I could've been a Pirate or a Ninja in the 21st Century 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kids need encouragement AND a healthy dose of realism. There are many professions that seem cool to kids (artists, rock-stars, athletes), but parents neglect to tell them that only a tiny percentage of people can turn those kinds of interests into a profitable career.
@@williammentink hard work isn't enough. It's necessary though. First you have to really know yourself and know what you really want, not what you think you want
@@formless4541 That's the catch though isn't it? How do you find out about yourself? That's when the old wisdom of working to become something kicks in. The process of becoming for lack of a better phrase. As you work towards your goal you discover things about yourself and there you reevaluate. Continue on to your goal or set a new one? Then it happens again and then again. How do you know that a goal is actually unattainable? You try.
I think it’s possible to be magnetic in the sense that others who think deeply will “find” you. That’s my experience at least. Sometimes the loneliness I feel is actually impatience. It’s important to pick the right time to think deeply with people.
Soon aa i hit my 25th birthday things turned massively. My self awareness, perception on things and life shifted in a way I've never thought I'd be. In this process I've lost people around me, at times even my own family fails to understand the way i see life , human values and etc. its. tough game.
I changed dramatically around 25 and again around 30. I care less about what strangers think of me. Care more about my loved ones. My values completely shifted to where I now value peace above a lot of things. Im also less tolerant of BS not only from others but myself. And im excited to see what another 5 years bring. Who will I be then?
I’ve been asked a certain question by my wife over the years, “would you rather have a child who is intelligent, or who is happy?” And I use to think the answer should be intelligent, as intelligence can allow you to influence the world around you in a dramatic way. Then I realized, what point is there really to life other than to enjoy it? And unfortunately, there is some level of a parallel between ones level of intelligence, and ones unhappiness. As it becomes difficult to find contentment when the intelligence of your mind craves so much to keep it satiated. So in summary, if there was only one outcome, I’d rather have a happy child than an intelligent one
Totally agree. I always tested in the 99% of everything in all my schooling and I have found adulthood very challenging and very lonely. I'd much rather my children be happy if given the option of that or high intelligence.
Please bear in mind, the lack of intelligence does breed unhappiness as well. Happiness can be fleeting if there is no intelligence in your life since you will be prone to making more bad decisions, like poor family planning, bad investments or even poor emotional intellect.
If you die tonight, do you know where you're going? Did you know that Jesus Christ is THE Truth, the life and the only way to Heaven? Revelation 20:15 ''Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.'' Through Jesus Christ, God offers you a FREE gift - forgiveness. All you need to do is repent, turn away from your sins and evil ways, from now on put your faith completely in Jesus Christ and be obedient to Him. Biblical explanation of the Gospel: God doesn’t want anybody in hell, but you must understand why we deserve hell and why those who refuse to live under His authority will go there. He gave us the law (Ten Commandments) not to make us righteous, but rather to show us our sin (Romans 3:20). God gave us free will and since Adam sinned in the garden, sin is the nature of our flesh and we ALL have sinned. (Romans 3:23) The law demands death to those who sin (Romans 6:23). Since we have all sinned, we all deserve hell. Revelation 21:8 says that all liars will go to hell. Yes, even if you have lied once in your life, you are sentenced to hell - that's how high God's standards are of moral perfection because God is holy and righteous, there is not one sin in Him. For someone to be justified before holy God they have to be sinless, that's why everyone need Jesus Christ - for He lived a sinless life, died on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day. None of us are good in God’s eyes, because for God good means moral perfection. We all have broken God’s commandments, we all have sinned in our lives so none of us are good. ‘’For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.’’ (James 2:10). Our carnal mind is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's moral law and it never will (Romans 8:7). We hate the thought of God for the same reason a criminal hates a policeman - we know we have sinned against God and are guilty of it and we don't want to be damned. No good works will ever save you. You can't earn salvation by good works, because God will judge us for our sin. Good News is that Jesus Christ lived a perfect, holy, sinless life and He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, He was buried and He was raised from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.’’ (John 3:16) We aren’t saved by our good works, but only by the grace of God through faith in Christ. ''For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9) Jesus said ‘’it is finished’’ (John 19:30) just before He died on the cross, which means He paid the fine for our sins (past, present, future) to be forgiven only IF we repent and trust in Him. This is how you can get saved from sin and hell - repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ. Get to know Him by reading God's Word. So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him.” (Luke 11:13) ''What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!'' (Romans 6:15) ''Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out'' (Acts 3:19) Repentance is a turning away from sin and all evil works, and it always results in changed behavior (Luke 3:8). Biblically, a person who repents does not continue willfully in sin. While sorrow from sin is not equivalent to repentance, it is certainly an element of scriptural repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). Do not play a hypocrite. ''God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.'' (1 John 1:5-6) (John 3:3) Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." If you have repented and have genuine faith in Jesus Christ then you will receive the gift of Holy Spirit and be born-again spiritually. When you believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession - to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:13-14) Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. (John 3:36) ''You will know them by their fruits'' (Matthew 7) If you have been truly born-again with the Holy Spirit and He has regenerated your heart, you will desire righteousnes - to do what is good and righteous in God's eyes, to seek God everyday in His Word and prayer, to strengthen your relationship with God. You will no longer desire to willfully continue living in sin but will want to obey God out of your love for Him because of His amazing grace revealed to us through the death and resurrection of His Son. ''Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.'' (2 Corinthians 5:17) ''For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.'' (Eph 2:10) You will have a testimony - of what your life had been before and how has it changed now when you have surrendered it to Lord Jesus Christ. As a declaration and affirmation of your faith in Jesus Christ, get baptised in water because He commanded us to do so. In John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.'' ''Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'' (Matthew 28:19) ''Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.'' (Acts 2:41) ''And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also - not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,'' (1 Peter 3:21) ''We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'' (Romans 6:4) ''Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.'' (Colossians 2:12) Please get right with God and get to know Jesus Christ personally today before it’s too late, because there’s not much time left! "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.’’ (Mark 13:32) Get to know Christ through God's Word - Bible. At first I recommend reading Gospel of John and book of Romans. God bless you! Jeremiah 29:13 - ''You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.''
I love deep thought like this. I catch myself spending a lot of time alone attempting to figure things out & come up with a decent solution that won't backfire. We need more of this. Very 'Mindful'. There are more questions than answers & the truth is out there.
The truth can be found in things most would not assume, but I've found I am not going to get it all from one book or yt video. The trick is deciphering the truth from the abundance of distractions.
I read something the other day that suggested that the more intelligent you are and the more you know, the more likely you are to suffer from anxiety. That made me worry, so I decided to systematically forget most of what I know. It worked for a while before I forgot what I was doing
I was thinking this today. Life was so much easier when you’re not so self aware. Sometimes it’s simpler to just fit in and go through life like a sheep and not think for yourself.
The greatest ability is to harness the integration of the power. Use it when it’s necessary. Difficult situations, disputes and to keep you on track to better yourself while keeping a firm ground on an objective reality.
Thinkers are analyzers. If you have working pattern recognition, you will do this with the people around you and realize how much their behavior and ideology does not match your own. That's where the feeling of loneliness comes from.
I definitely think it's a class thing, just from my personal experience. I grew up in very working class areas of inland California and Idaho, but my career has been in Los Angeles and San Francisco, among a very different class of people. My friends' children are like aliens to me. They're delicate and sensitive and thoughtful to the point of weakness. I mean, teenage brothers who watch tv, hugging each other. Kids who don't want to ride their bikes further than their own block. Teens who don't have any interest in getting a driver's license. Where I grew up, sibling relations were competitive, vulnerability was mocked, and the world was something to aggressively explore and even antagonize. And they still are that way, when I go home to visit.
deep thinkers are often delicate and sensitive, that doesn't make them weak though, in fact it can make them incredibly strong and willful people if they can direct that sensitivity into something productive
Oddly been on both sides of the equation, at this point. First grow up in a shoddy, dilapidated slum of a downtown core with abusive, narcissistic parents from a family of first-generation refuges; Afterwards, move to a clean-cut suburban area of wealthier demographics in your adolescence coupled with further softening into university. The result from each move used to shock me as a kid, almost as if entering entirely different worlds. I vividly remember just prior to moving between areas that classmates were constantly harassing, bullying, and dissing their own teammates over stupid shit in teams sports -- Contrast that to the school after moving, which was so damn pristine it stunned me to watch my teammates in basketball actually encourage each and exchange pats on the back over missed shots. Handshakes with the other team, and school uniforms? The actual fuck? You'd get shoved, beat, and mocked for days on end for being any less than useful in a nearly meaningless game, just prior. Begs the question, what is normal? Answer is, normal is relative and constrained to your environment. Looking back as an adult who's done enough research on personality disorders and traumatic recovery, I now realize a good half of my class in my first decade had alcoholic and abusive households from 1st-gen refuge parents. The latter demographic had mostly professionally educated, 2nd-gen refuge parents. To say that I'm proud of my roots is a reach, but I don't bear any regrets experiencing the rougher decade. Those nightmarish memories instilled a ton of gratitude for the most basic needs of survival, including a once-desperate wish for safety from my own bloody guardians, which has now been realized. Ironically, I still have work to do on this matter, so best of luck to anyone also working through their personal issues, dysfunctional behaviour, and self-sabotaging beliefs.
That doesn’t make you a deep thinker. It makes you stuck in the past and wanting everyone else to be in the past so you can feel comfortable with the next generations progression. Sure I agree kids growing up now have some serious issues but living like what you suggest isn’t proper either. I’m the youngest out of my whole family and both my siblings are 11, 13 years older than me. My parents made it big but always had working class mentality. Each child isn’t cookie cutter were you can just throw some blanket statement on how things should be because frankly the parents who raised the last few generations were very ignorant also. Gotta come at each kid with what works best for them so you can help cultivate them to flower. Unfortunately we people only seem to know extremes in one way or another missing the so obvious balance that life needs to be at its best and most bright! I understand what you are saying though, kids have become little bubble kids.
That's more of a generational and urbanized concept than anything else. From your story it sounds as you're old enough to be from when being a latch key kid was still common. I feel that's something that has been dying out in the last 2 decades. Glad my parents allowed me that privilege. No cellphones, be home for dinner mentality was the best as a kid
"Be the stupid one in the room" I instantly understood it. I lived by this Once you become underestimated, you have an advantage When someone else believes you're intellectually inferior to them, you'll see their true colors. They'll take advantage of your kindness, they'll mock you, they'll bully you, etc. You will become their stepping stone, but a loose one Regardless that it's a Win:Win, it becomes lonely. The more you learn and perceive others, the more corrupt you find them to be, and the less like them you seek to become. The wider the gap. You're the only one at the finish line and looking back on others fighting each other for the lead, when it's not even a race. You're perceived as a "drop out" or far behind in line instead of at the finish line People bully others bcuz they cannot see themselves within others. They fear them. They fear inferiority. The potential. The unknown The level of unintelligence you deal with skyrockets, or at least the awareness of others' unintelligence, dramatically increases and so does their hostility towards you No matter what you do or say, you can't show people what's right in front of them. Your words will ALWAYS fall on deaf ears. You are the bad guy, you are wrong It's a world full of the insane, where the sane are percieved as insane. It's the whole world that's out of touch with reality. There's no other reason you're treated as such. They are errything they accuse you of. The Satanic Principle of Reversal. You're alone. The gift and curse of knowledge, of overcoming ignorance. But at least you have 1 person who died for you and that's all that rly matters
“they are everything they accuse you of” very powerful words. People are reflective of how they think and feel within; combine that with ignorance and ego 🧨
@@isopodgod5410 I wouldn't really call it powerful words. It's just Totalitarian tactics. Propagandists. Lies, deception, etc. It's all based around Supremacy Pride is an Ego-Driven impulse. Pride is the foundation in which we build our Ego upon. It's arrogance, ignorance, and then intolerance Pride is a coping mechanism. It's born out of low self worth or accomplishment. Boastfulness. Embellishment of the Ego. Pride is Supremacy. It's the embodiment of insecurity. It's insatiable, discontentment, dysphoric, rejection, denial. The source of erry negative psychological aspect of us Pride cannot sustain itself, it is a means to an end. It can only corrupt (like a parasyte) and relies on the constant need to spread to desperately keep its head above water, grabbing onto erryone and pulling them down under like loose rocks on a cliff "There's nothing the Proud won't say or do to avoid Humility. Even if it comes at the cost of others"
Great observations Chris. As a 60 year lad from Sunderland (now Scotland) I am not so much a tall poppy, as a strange poppy often out on a limb in my thinking and attitude. I found both you and Jordan's observations strangely encouraging. Keep up the great work.
I'm 15, and I've always been a deep thinker. I was striving for answers, and profoundness in every single human interaction that I've had. I was very lonely, in a way I was making myself lonely. Personally speaking, I've come to realize that not everything has to be meaningful, because there's no answer in this world. I've learned to enjoy life.. not every conversation has to be SOMETHING. Yea,, but still I have many things inside of me that I would like to share with people who are willing to.
It is quite a tragedy. For a couple of years or so, I’ve been attempting to form new relationships but was unsuccessful as I was anticipating a particular outcome in all conversations I take part in; that people would better themselves to some degree, and that they would be walking away from the interaction with a higher intellect. At age 17, I believe that it is quite rare to find people who share these type of social values. It made me pose questions about myself that differed in my self-perception; perhaps I was too arrogant to engage in ‘normal’ conversations, perhaps I was simply socially inept, perhaps I surround myself with the wrong people, and so on. Regardless of what the answer may be, this proclivity to constantly challenge my own intellect in everyday situations is a rather unrealistic life perspective. Though I am aware of how I behave and the way I interpret my surroundings, I am afraid of returning to a life where I felt like there was no value in learning. Compared to who I was less than a year ago, I am now thriving in knowledge; this is definitely a turning point within my intellectual as well as emotional development. In reference to Lewis, my deserts have been irrigated. I developed a keen curiosity in learning new concepts and philosophies, and I constantly find myself thinking about the liberal arts, particularly philosophy, theology, linguistics, history, and literature (total nerd, I know). And this has consequently caused a decline in my willingness to interact with others as I realize that my values and interests are not worth anything to others. This makes me quite anxious about my future social status.
@@uphxriaa yes i was the socially inept girlie.. I was always praised from other people from a young age on how eloquent and (mentally)mature I was. yk.. people don't always talk because they have common ground. The reason why a conversation is keep going is because 1. We have the SAME values for something 2. One person almost volunteering to the other person for a conversation.(constantly asking questions, LISTENING to what the other person says) ....and it's mostly 2(for many reasons), or for more emotionally delicate, and sensitive people they both try to get 'engaged' in a conversation. The people I liked and thought I've actually had a connection were people like option 2. I was always trying to fLaUnt my DeEp values toward them. They didn't even know what I was talking about. lol The reason why the idea 'everything has to be meaningful is immensely dangerous' is becuase, if you don't think it's meaningful to some degree, it just becomes nothing to you.->that's why I had depression. But still, the feeling of being intellectually dominant over somebody was a thing for me. AND AND AND I still had the mindset that relationships have to be meaningful, in fact, everything has to be. I was trying to form 'deep' relationships. If they're not deep they're practically not my friends yk (hmm...) Years passed.. people weren't fitting my expectations.. and I found myself being in a trapped in my mind. Anyways
I am a deep thinker and most around me cannot relate. My over-thinking of abstract concepts and future possibilities leaves me often unable to manage the day-to-day.
I've always been like this as well, (archetypical INTP.) But lately I've matured, and started taking care of myself. I advice you to do the same, your thinking will improve exponentialy, and your social battery will increase as well. Don't be like the guy above, he's bitter and arrogant which leads to lesser quality in logical thought, and consistency. It also shuts down being able to see more possibilities.
just a little tip: try to find a job that "grounds" you in reality. like a job with ppl or a trade. an office job or jobs where you don't have a lot of doing, is gonna kill you if you have that tendency. just my 2 cents
@@NotFragPlx that’s exactly what I do. I work with low income parents trying to get educated and obtain Working/Middle class jobs or better. Their small successes is what keeps me going, besides my own family, and they’re the reason I still get up every day. Problem is, I was “one of the best” in my field and my class but have been unable to advance at all in the organization that I’ve devoted a decade to. I’m trying to move on to something new, but no one will interview or hire me. It’s not my doing-I teach people how to land jobs yet I cannot seem to do so. Anyways, I’m sick of watching the rich get richer while the rest of us get wrecked by the economy THEY created. By they, I mean the corporate political establishment of both parties. They only argue over their side’s pet social issues and NEVER address the economic factors other than to throw money at it-money that surprisingly ends up concentrated in the hands of the ultra rich. I took our stimulus and bought a rifle, and invested the rest. Mostly in Bitcoin. Anything I put in the stock market gets wiped out-without fail. But then again, I entered while the market was at a top in most sectors and bought before the December fed minutes released and crashed most tech/growth stocks. I want to know where I can park my money for a year and at least maintain it-maybe see a meager 7-10% return. Any ideas of what will last in this tumultuous market?
Funny how this conversation was related to another I was having on a finance channel out trading and building wealth-they’re all related, so, sorry if it seems out of left field talking about wages and income/investing.
I'm such a deep thinker.... I can sense things before even it happens to me and most of the times my gut instincts are on spot... 100% correct Not sure how my Subconscious work but it catches tiny little details and shows me signs if something is wrong for me it that way I'm so blessed and yes I feel lonely but ovr a period of 27 years 😅i used to my solitude I enjoy my self and my own company and by gods grace have few good friends. Life is getting better... Thanks to the power of deep thinking. But sometimes deep thinking consumes my energy I feel exhausted and stressed thinking something which is not happened.
One can be a "deep thinker" without ever looking inward. People find isolation/loneliness terrifying because it forces co-existence with a person they don't love or understand: Themselves. Those who don't understand this need other people in order to distract themselves from uncomfortable truths. The feeling of loneliness (or lack thereof) is almost entirely dependent upon this concept. A person at peace with their true nature no longer needs to feel loneliness.
@omar no doubt most do. I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit-hole, but I would say that there is a connection to be made that, once made, provides a greater level of comfort and satisfaction than social interaction. Once that connection is made, social interaction is nice, but not a prerequisite for sanity.
@omar in addition to being social creatures and more importantly imho is being productive. One's definition of being productive is discretionary but if a person stays busy doing either what needs to be done (job or chores) or what they enjoy doing, can replace much of the need for social interaction. It took me a long time to learn to enjoy my own company and to channel my own thoughts into doing things that are good for my life and my goals. I have to be careful, selective and limit my social interaction time.
I've experienced this too. Not only in my working class environment, but also later with more educated middle class people. I almost felt like they were afraid of me, because there was constant laughter and subtle hatred about my ways of thinking and viewing the world. While I was feeling like the only one who could see within the blind. Later on in life I actually met people who were very much like me from humble backgrounds and different education standards but thoughtful deep minded people. And with that stepping out of line thing, it is the same in Germany. Individualism and big thinking is very frowned upon. You have to do what's socially acceptable in your soical class. I always hated and still hate this mentality, because I always felt like "What's your problem, just let me live my life the way I want, because I also let everybody live theirs?!"
That's why people move to Berlin :) Just lately with the rent prices rising it has been curbed. Which parts of Germany do you think have less constraints like that?
The middle classes protect their bigoted ignorance and lack of intellectual capacity by redefining intelligence to suit their own avariciousness. They lock others out if they don’t comply. They’ve infected academia, dominating it, after ensuring the ladder of equality was torched to benefit them. The richer you become the more distant you are from genuine society. I’m afraid Peterson spent so long with successful middle class people he’s blind to how they’ve twisted society to their own interests. Education has become the ability to memorise a multitude of disconnected information to create the illusion of intellectualism. “Thinking people” play the intellectual game by quoting the “great minds” thereby claiming authority by association. You are quite right in finding that people judged by intellectuals as uneducated are often greater thinkers than they are. Too much knowledge results in arrogance and bigotry. It’s an odd outcome.
@@conversationcorner1837 Symmetry is highly correlated with impressions of beauty so the blind man wouldn’t be disadvantaged in identifying that by touch. So says a deep thinker ......
@@TheShamuraja Actually, in the Rhineland area, where I live. But people from other, more conservative areas move here for work and spread their narrow mindedness...
Ignorance is bliss. Perspective is a bitch. When you realize you can see a couple hundred moves ahead, and therefore see that you're not going to win, it makes it hard to keep playing the game.
I've had my first pregnancy when COVID-19 started.. I always have been a deep thinker. As the world went into the chasm of chaos and misinformation, I never felt this lonely.. All day thoughts running in my head, the things are happening in the world, if i will have a good environment to raise my daughter.. Thank god, my husband and I are happy with a beautiful and healthy baby girl.
I never considered myself a “deep thinker” I always thought everyone thought like me but I realized real quick society in general doesn’t tolerate having a healthy doubt and conditions critical thinking out of people. I wouldn’t even call it thinking but observing without bias. The observer is not the observed. The description is not the described.
@@conversationcorner1837 ...Bias-free observation is almost impossible, but one can become consciously aware of one's biases, and keep them in mind when evaluating the observation{s}. This is one of the reasons for working with others - multiple observers may see slightly different things which can then be evaluated collectively to sort out fact from fiction. A tricky business all around, but history, especially in the "hard" sciences, shows us that we can eventually understand, which allows us to invent & benefit not only ourselves but the entire world. Think electricity, for instance. First a mystery, then a novelty, and now the basis of much of our civilization. My physics bias is showing, I suspect... LOL
All I know is in my personal experience, as I've gotten older, I would much rather be alone. I grew up as a social animal but never found it stimulating at any level. For good or bad now I just sit around ALONE doing my thing and I'm much happier. Never found that person that wants to think about things like I do.
Thank you , all these deep thinkers claiming loneliness need to continue their journey and think their way into what makes them truly happy and then think their way into that existence.
If we are "social animals" and no other animal is that, why do you think we are animals anyway? You could say "science", but there are many inconsistencies and flaws in the human evolution theory.
@@Nature_Consciousness Your taking the word "animal" out of context. I never said the human race is animals. I am talking about being out doing the party thing. While fun, it was never stimulating.
@@TLSARTWORK I am the contrary, I was isolated during almost my whole life, and I am craving for socializing and connections. Luckily I went to college 2 days ago and I actually felt that class was worth it. There were many people who were actually interested in philosophy (the professor asked them), one even talked about existentialism. Try to see value in people, they will aways know something we dont and we can learn a lot with them, strive for connections, use humor, be fun and use the philosophy in a way that will take their attention.
I suppose the "majority" needs to have people around, therefore become lonely. I was never really alone until my 50s, and I'm just basking in it now. What a relief!
The more people spend deep thinking, the more they remove themselves from the conditioning and narratives that the majority of people are still part of. It’s hard to relate back to people the further you remove yourself, perhaps you’ve noticed something so ridiculous about one of the arguments for behavior and you can’t un know it - it would seem silly and obnoxious even to be pulled back into that as a role in order to fit in with your friends, family, or society.
And then you form a cult of one till you find like minded people to build that cult. There is a narrative in play but it’s responsible to expose it and suffer the slings and arrows from those unwilling to admit it exists. Narcissism isn’t on the rise as it’s a fairly fixed quality in people but the expression of what was formerly silent has become much easier with social media where one’s bigotry can proliferate within comments from like minded people. Removing oneself simply splinters society which is a narrative in active play due to divide and conquer tactics in governments which populist leaders exploit through single issue politics to fool isolated “thinkers” into simplistic voting. A dumb pseudo intellectual thinker may be the worst thing society has to suffer.
@@conversationcorner1837 what exactly do you think Jordan is doing ? His ability to think critically and deeply has allowed himself to stand out and help others. How many others do the same? I’m sorry if you can’t relate to that or haven’t found that groove, but if you resonate at all with the concept , have faith that you will. Not all deep thinkers will be like Jordan, but they are ALL necessary for the advancement of the human race.
@@conversationcorner1837 how about compassion towards others? How about seeing the structures that make up our society and their strong and weak points? How about learning everything you can about why others behave in a certain way, so you can relate better and help lead to a better future? The list could go on and on and on. There is ALWAYS good to any situation, what’s difficult is waiting to understand what that good is. And how to apply it to your purpose.
I became a deep thinker a couple years ago after an ego death (caused by the infidelity of an ex-partner) and life has been a lot more lonely since then. I'm constantly monitoring every thought and move I do, with the reasons or consequences behind them, and I feel that constant chatter in my mind has made 'living the present moment' much more challenging; something that is essential for communicating with other people.
By my experience, the smarter you get, the loneliness appear because we start to become more exigent with what we really like to discuss, smart people don't like to talk about foolish people, or what happened to someone else, but ideas, projects, the perspective of some topic we choise to discuss is more important than anything else that ain't gonna change our lives.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow. Ecclesiastes 12:12 And by these, my son, be further warned: There is no end to the making of many books, and much study wearies the body.
An absence of distractions focuses thought (and can lead to things people end up calling "deep thinking"). In the video it was mentioned that thinking deeply can be a cause of isolation and I think that can be true, but to me the bigger factor is just how many distractions prevent you from deep thought on a topic. I have friends who enjoy extremely simple videogames because they have relationships and kids and schedule activities almost 24/7 so they just don't have the time to dedicate to really deep intricate games like the kind I'm into (and I'm able to enjoy those games because I have tons of free time; in part because I've deliberately designed my life to have that free time). I do think Peterson also makes a good point that if you can take that deep knowledge (that you probably got from being more isolated) and make it accessible to those who _are_ distracted, then they'll love you for it because they get to have everything (the distractions _and_ the deep knowledge).
For me at least, it seems like the deep thinking itself ends up being the distraction I look for. I easily get caught up in whether or not life matters - instead of just living my life to give it meaning. At the same time, if I let my brain ignore the deep questions, I wouldn't understand other people at all and I'd be as blind as the average person. If I never thought about all the death and dustruction in history, by chance I would automatically carry out the same evil without even thinking about it. Consciousness is one hell of a drug lmao.
@@ooSHINIES well said. I am quite similar. I find it important to think deeply, about everything. Both the horrendous, and the wonderful. You still may not be able to connect with everyone, as everyone is wired differently, but it makes you a better person; you learn to relate and empathise, even if you've never experience what they have experienced. I don't know if this is a good thing, but I leaarn from observing other peoples mistakes. I am horribly unobservant with material things and places, but very observant regarding people, interactions and body language. People are interesting.
I agree with everything...except the video game part. I have never enjoyed "complicated" video games. Gimme a Mario side scroller and just let me have fun. Games that take a lot of studying and constant dedicated time have never been of interest to me. If I have to deal with items and menus I'm out. Problem solving games like Inside are my favourite, but I have no interest in big open world RPG's or whatever. I too have a ton of time to think, which I think is both a gift and a curse. It's a great feeling when you find and answer to a riddle you've been working on for years, but you can come to understandings that your peers don't because they don't have the time to put in the thought like you can so it's hard to be on the save wavelength as them, which can create so much separation that even when you are with them, you aren't. Many have the capacity to arrive at the same levels of thought, so it's not like I'm any smarter than they are, but they don't have the time so it's increasingly harder to relate to them as our thought processes increasingly diverge.
Deep thinking led me to become easily annoyed with stupid people. I developed a habit of micro-aggressions towards them which needed to stop. I'm pleased to say that my aggressions are now normal sized.
ME TOOOOO!!!! Thank you for saying that. I become so easily annoyed at other people lately as well!!!! And I am studying to be a social worker, so it’s actually a big problem that I need to work on.
I imagine being a deep thinker is quite lonely. In that deep thinkers might come to the realisation quicker than others that we are indeed all alone. But having said that, we arent always alone in life. That is entirely up to us in the quality of friends we keep.
@@ANNAKKi God is proven by the fact that even atheists recognize intelligent design is the only rational explanation for order, since you expect me to believe you exist when I haven't seen you, and could have explained your appearing-to-exist as due to a cat walking on a keyboard. But aliens have no good reason going for them. Space therefore aliens is a NON SEQVITVR like rainbows therefore leprechauns. "best" is subjective. God will judge by his standard, not mankind's cherrypicked opinionated ethics system.
Watch the full episode with Jordan here - ua-cam.com/video/laSK7Pxh0_8/v-deo.html
Yes. Yes we are.
Geordie lad here. Love the vibes mate :)
@@malcolmlarri8236 its not all that different in the US
*Etymology*. *Independent*nation……… *sovereign*nation….. what’s the power structure in these nations what’s the financial structure in these nations how do these nations interACT on the world STAGE. You can’t call me your royal *highness* or your *Excellency* or your right *honourable* person in a position of power or a *distinguished* person. ……….I have very little to no *power* I don’t employ anybody. *Autocracy*. Etymology…….
Yes, I am quite lonely..
"I've never met an intelligent person who wasn't troubled." It comes with the burden of thought. The more you think, the deeper you go. Lots of beauty to unlock. But also a lot of pain.
I agree. It sad in a way. Because you have so much to share but not many are interested in listening and not many value the things you do so even though you hang out and interact with people all day you come home and feel lonely anyways and eventually you don’t feel that being around certain people is worth it.
You don't get to choose to not pay a price, only which price you're going to pay. We deep thinkers believe we all thirst for and want deeper knowledge, but often at a faster pace than we're actually ready to receive it.
@@ChubakaSteven Choose I have troubles with that because in todays world we think we can choose but can we really choose. Free will not free will. I have tought about it a lot. And with most things I come to a point that I leave opening for everything. And I know I dont know.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
"Lots of beauty to unlock. But also a lot of pain."
I became happy when I realized my lack of friendships had more to do with my own disinterest than my perceived sense of rejection.
Agreed. I stopped hanging out with most people when one day it dawned on me that I was hanging out for the sake of hanging out. Very often these people didn't actually bring anything to my life, yet I was going out of my way to make sure I had people to hang out with Friday night because, well, that's what you are "supposed" to do. Now I only do things I'll genuinely be interested in and happy to be a part of and I'm way happier despite spending so much time alone. The people I used to hang out with were nice people and all, bu† the issue was with "fit". We weren't like minded so I stopped pretending. I'd rather listen to like minded people on a UA-cam channel by myself than socialize with people I have little in common with.
@@jasondashney exactly! I remember being miserable in high school because I felt I had no real friends and I had to “perform” to act like everyone else. Mostly I hated sitting there trying to pretend to be interested in gossip and discussions about sex/relationships. To this day I cannot understand all the songs about romantic love (let alone raunchy sex). I love UA-cam. It’s my BFF.
@@patientzero5685 The Internet is great. It has allowed me to understand that other people share my thoughts, or at least some of them. It has inspired me to start a channel (under a different name) soon and hopefully I can help some people realize they aren’t alone.
It’s great that you stopped trying to pretend. I think trying to have a conversation with someone about something you couldn’t care less about is absolutely exhausting beyond belief.
@@jasondashney good for you. Loners May not need a lot of friends but everyone likes to feel they aren’t alone. Good luck with your channel!
@@patientzero5685 Thanks! These days I'm just bashing around my new audio equipment after work like a 2001 Space Odyssey monkey. I'm not the brightest but people far dumber than I have mastered it so I'm sure I'll be fine.
Cheers!
I wish I had friends who loved to discuss ideas. I am constantly analyzing everything that is going on around me and trying to understand why people are the way that they are, what is contributing to our current culture and where it is going- but I have no one to really talk to it about. Except maybe my dad. He’s brilliant. But anyway… it is lonely. I wish there were more people who loved to grapple with ideas around me.
I feel that so much. I’m wondering what you think about this, but I often ask myself if I’m really interested in peoples behaviour and why they do the things they do or if I’m just trying to control everything to not get rejected or hurt.
Look! The guy above me is someone who likes that sort of stuff. There are a lot of people that could connect with your way of thinking. You just have to search for them. The internet is a great place. There are discord servers for philosophy, psychology etc. Good luck!
Go to school, find a field that covers that and that you find interesting. Pursue an education in that and I can guarantee you’ll meet atleast a few likeminded people
The best person you can share deep thoughts is with your family.. If you have a pure relationship with your father enjoy because will not be forever.. What i mean for natural curse of life our parents will die first than us.. Unfortunately for few life has meaning for others.. Its all about me, my feelings, egos, empty souls ..
Peace
@@geada7music627 what? Lmfao
“I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly. I perceive that this, too, was vexation of spirit; for in much wisdom, there is much grief, and he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.”
Ecclesiastes 1 : 17 -18 Everything that man thinks that makes them smart and special is nothing new under the sun. Nobody came up with a new idea. Everything has already been written in the Bible. I used to think that the more authors I read, the more knowledge and wisdom I will have. The more I read I understand the Bible I come to find out that every things have just been borrowed from the Bible.
That’s beautiful ngl
Ecclesiastes, Meditations, and Tao Te Ching are my favorite books I've read.
Solomon….
@@ddiatta24 were you reading religious authors by chance? i think that might have something to do with the similarities with the bible
Well. When you spend more time thinking deep, you spend less time with people so it’s possible. A small sacrifice to avoid casual conversation that is boring. Most people can’t have deep conversations without becoming emotional and offended so we just talk about the weather and gossip about others. So inspiring.
Most people can’t have deep conversations - period.
@@dirtroadscholar also people tend to react to things that they think are true about themselves in negative way. Like saying fat isn't healthy, fat people will be more likely to be offended and talk about body positivity. If you start talking about male aggression or female manipulation both are liable to get offended there.
@@dirtroadscholar one sided perhaps
You should definitively change country you live in
True
It explains why no matter how many people I hang out with I still feel lonely. I’m not able to express my mind often as these people can’t take it seriously or simply don’t understand it. That’s when the loneliness hits.
Keep searching and eventually you’ll find one or two that you can go into massive amounts of depth with very little effort. It only takes one person to change your perception of communication. A few weeks ago we spent an hour talking about what the most useless instrument was (it’s a triangle, FYI), and it was great.
@@HarryBradbury what a great conversation it must have been haha
@@k4rdinal Genuinely was haha, conversations about stupid shit but in great amounts of detail are brilliant
Facts
It makes it difficult and is very isolating when people can't relate. I'm starved for the conversation of like-minded people. Everyone with whom I'm close or simply know either doesn't care, can't relate or they become exhausted trying to keep up with my thought process. I'm learning to let go of my expectations that others really care. I listen to their issues, wants, needs and desires, but no longer subject them to mine. Ever. The two people to whom I'm closest - a sibling and my significant other - all but told me they want me to just stop talking about my passions or anything else. To just shut up. So, I did... I stopped talking about anything at all and now I just listen, ad infinitum. They never even noticed. It's saddening and isolating. I am considering seeking out a therapist for the sole purpose of having someone to talk to about my thoughts and feelings.
At 28 I hit a wave of self reflection and self awareness. I now analyze almost every situation I'm involved in, and came away with some profound and enlightening conclusions about myself and the world. I am 29 now, and can tell you that, yes, I do feel more lonely. But I wouldn't go back for anything. It also allowed me to love myself like I never have, and the solidarity is refreshing, like spending time with a good friend.
One lesson to teach your child "'think about what you are doing''...
Absolutely. Nobody could pay me any amount of anything to go back to hating myself, believing 100% that I don't deserve good things nor to even live at all, taking every opportunity possible to put myself down, and putting every single other person on a pedestal above myself. Had I not found my way into the light of awareness and love, I probably wouldn't be here right now. Or at least, I'd be miserable and strongly considering leaving this Earthly plane of being.
I don't blame Christianity or religion as a whole, but part of the reason for this strange behavior in me was the sickness of modern cultural detritus being imprinted upon my very pure mind and soul as a young child, being bullied in school, poor health, and being taught by my single mother (who was by no means a perfect parent, far from it) that the order of importance of beings in life goes: 1. God 2. Other people 3. Myself. (Update: It was also implied that animals were below these, so I ended up doing some mean things to some of our pets which I regretted not too long after)
From a young age I was made to believe that I was objectively inferior to everyone else in the world. Is that child abuse? I don't know if I'd go that far, because I don't think she knew what she was actually doing to me in the long term. She thought she was doing the right thing. But then again, the results were absolutely hellish (though not *entirely* her fault) so I'm still on the fence.
How’s you learn to love yourself and not overthink all the flaws we have
I need to know the answer to this, although I know ultimately it’s not one size fits all but I need insight. I’m DYING inside because I can’t seem to like myself although I try but my method of approach hasn’t been working and I’m 25!!! . I love myself but I don’t like myself because I have too many flaws I can’t overlook yet can’t change.. it’s torture .
Solidarity? Do you mean solitude?
I’m 19 and I’ve seen this my whole life. Literally shocked there are some teens more mature than people that are 30+. I go to work my my 50+ year old coworkers sound like children, gossiping, whispering, whining and bickering over literal nonsense. It’s like I’m in highschool.
I’m sure it didn’t help that you were ripped out of HS probably around 15-16. Very important years to socialize & be around other students but it wasn’t considered “essential.” I had 3 co-workers that were all around 19-20 and was impressed that they were pretty well-rounded; though we like to think with age comes wisdom unfortunately wisdom doesn’t always come with age.
Almost 60 and all the guys I work with remind me of how my friends and I were in Junior High. It's exhausting to be around them. There's no comparison between these guys and my Dad, my uncle and my Grandfathers. It blows my mind.
Same issue with parents and relatives around me its gotten to the point where its emberrasing.
I had this at your age, I'm 26 and it's still the same, best advice I could give is don't hold it against them, it can make you bitter... it's just how they're wired up. It wasn't until I discovered podcasts, and UA-cam in particular, that I found people that had the same interests, opinions, worries and thoughts as me.
Hi, I'm 60 years old and nd I remember Highschool and the Bullshit that always went on there. I could hardly wait to be a adult so we didn't have to be around all of it anymore.
I'm sorry to tell you this but it never changes. This is how people are. It sucks but it is what it is. 80 year old are like this. Just take the High Road.
Always..... It's hard. I wish you a good life.👍
It’s important to realize that Jordan Peterson is also at the top of his field therefor he is always surrounded by those like minded. Normal average citizens are surrounded by significantly less like-minded individuals and it is absolutely a lonelier lifestyle. There are much less deep thinkers at the bottom where we are, than at the top.
That was my first thought as well. It's not so easy when you come up in a vastly different culture. I was born not far from JBP but we took very different paths so I've never been around intellectuals at all. **
Most ppl at "the top of their field" are often the dumbest ppl
That's a great observation 👏
Its far easier to be less entangled by dissonance when your energy field is positive.
How's your sports team doing?
@@divafever9754 huh
The amount of deep thinkers in the comment section that feel the same level of loneliness brings me to tears. I never knew why I feel lonely but it seems like this is a good place to start.
Theres also the possibility that all these people are just socially incompetent an have no friends, and thus, they try to rationalize their lack of social skills by thinking "oh, maybe I have no friends because im extremely deep and smart". Think about it.
@@okalov Yes lol. Unfortunately there are far more people who are confused and haven't found a place for themselves in the world, than there are people who are "deep". Confused people mistake thoughts for ideas, and questions for hypotheses.
I highly doubt this comment section is truly as it appears.
People can think deeply, it does not bring their intelligence to a level considered high, in fact, the modern world and how it isolates individuals leads to lack of social development and difficulty expressing themselves, along with a world that shows only people who have apparently figured it out.
When people cannot explain something, express difficult emotions and so on, even unlikely scenarios become viable to them after enough rumination and introspection.
I find myself thinking an awful lot, playing scenarios, trying to understand people, just thinking, at work, parties/social events, home, wherever I am I will stop to think generally, I don't believe this makes me intelligent as such, just curious.
Start a group get connected
I changed from feeling lonely to being in *solitude* cause fuck, I'm sorrounded by living beings. I'm not alone in here.
I believe what sets us apart is that some people are truth seekers (deep thinkers) and others are not. Going with the flow is a lot easier than being honest with yourself.
Absolutely. Something I'm working on cultivating right now is helping others realise the value of truth. Some are more receptive than others but at some level most people I've engaged with so far seems to understand the concept.
As a deep thinker, it's hard for me to be satisfied with the simple surface level stuff. It's just not enough for me. I always want to get to the bottom of everything and learn more, know more. I have such an insatiable curiosity and thirst for knowledge. And I always have a sense that there's something meaningful going on behind everything. So im always searching for that hidden meaning.
Going with the flow would not have been easier for you perhaps. The more you understand the more you're driven not to accept the easy way out or to just get along.
only in the short term. You can't hide from truth.
So going with the flow isn't really bad. As long as u surf on a true vessel. Maybe like a kayak .. u go with the flow but still use your own energy to change or make choices in the flow .. it also allows to choose what flows to navigate. If u wipe out. Pick another flow
The deeper you think the harder it is to find people to relate to and converse with. Very few people are curious about life and the world around them and do not value understanding what they do not have to. I think our culture and society beats that curiosity out of people at a young age.
In my personal experience I have found that talking to people who I think have nothing to offer is where i found the conversation that have impacted how I view things the most.
@@chelochavez7380 Well yeah everyone can teach you something. I don’t mean it like that. I can’t stand snooty academics with their little superiority complexes.
But if you’re a creative “INTP” personality or whatever you get “energy” from more complex discussions that are a mix of abstract and concrete concepts and ideas which demand a level of broad knowledge and understandings, articulation, experience, etc. It’s like a dance style, and if your partner isn’t practiced enough it isn’t very fun, unless you’re just goofin or feel up for teaching of course.
I can attest to your point about curiosity being removed at an early age. I regret dumbing myself down to reach other people in college. The problem I find today is that people are so busy trying to get any point across in a competitive fashion they barely engage the listening aspect of communication. Ironically some of the best wisdom I heard was from friends who never challenged themselves intellectually but we're forced to challenge themselves daily from a critical and spiritual standpoint. Sadly it resulted in a slow self destruct but they told me hard truths that no one else would. I have also found very few people will honestly talk about their core beliefs, it seems they are afraid of losing there foundation.
I dont necessarily think its nefarious or dull on others' part...the deeper you think, the further you delve, the longer it takes for others(not delving) to reach where you are. In some ways its sheer logistics. It doesnt follow that it takes you hours or days to think of something yet expect someone else to be able to get it the minute you bring up your finished conclusion or thought.
But it is lonely, i do agree.
Culture is not your friend. - Terence McKenna (coincidentally one of the deepest thinkers of the 20th century)
Every deep thinker needs one superficial, shallow friend. Cherish that person because they will keep you balanced and grounded. Do not engage in deep philosophical conversations with this friend, just accept them and play along until you are ready to go home.
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holy pretentiousness
what is the point of enlightenment if not to share ?
Always meet people at there level, dont expect more then they can provide but have them to the highest bar they can meet. Encourage them to be there best self
Yes I agree with you.its just break from deep thinking
I grew up dirt poor in a trailer park and in a family where no one made it out of high school. I also dropped out of high school in grade 11 and became a traveling musician for almost 15 years. At some point in that adventure I married an amazing woman. She saw so much more potential in me than I saw in myself, and she convinced me to take a stab at learning whatever I found interesting. So, I spent around 2 years reading and learning a programming language (Java) until I felt prepared to take a certification exam. I borrowed the $300, took the test, and I passed it. Fast forward almost 15 more years, and I'm now a Solutions Architect making a very comfortable living. Along the way, I gained more and more confidence in my ability to just learn whatever I found interesting.
The thing I noticed is... the more I learned, the fewer friends I had... until eventually only 1 was left out of an initial 30 or so. I feel incredibly lonely because of it. If not for my wife, I think I would have just fallen back into my meaningless, destructive existence I had suffered with before. It's a really bizarre feeling... to gain self-confidence but at the price of companionship. At 41 now, its pretty hard to make new friends. So, for me, it's a very real reality that thinking more deeply; improving my mind and learning more and more... has left me smarter, but lonelier.
Thanks for your comment, Jason.
Understood brother. If it's any consolation, want to be friends?
The worst and best thing is often the intellect. If it turns against you it's almost impossible to argue against it.
My husband too came out of a similar situation, I too saw a great potential in him. We are happily married with 2 children, he has become pretty successful, and I am so proud of him. We are only 34, we have been blessed, we are a great team.
I’m very similar.
Lower class upbringing, figured out I could learn. Work in robotics now.
I have zero friends. I mainly interact with my family, read, and spend time in nature.
i can relate to deep thinking. especially nowadays, i find myself bored with most conversations with people. i would like to talk in depth with topics but it's hard finding such people when most people you're around are in the superficial end of the pool. so it does become quite lonely sometimes, until you find the right people to be with. being a deep thinker is both a blessing and a curse, though i find more of a blessing. even if you have to make sacrifices in terms of being included in other social groups.
On the same page with here. I’ve been self reflecting/self improving and it takes a lot of deep thinking and it can be very scary but you always gain something good out of it
I never have deep conversations with people just stay witty and make people laugh
I think many people are interested in deep things to some extent, and willing to talk about them, but just aren’t so open at first. Small talk serves a social purpose - to break the ice - so that you can get people comfortable enough that they might share their deep thoughts later. It’s frustrating for people who just want to jump into the deep end right away, but it’s often necessary to be patient until others are ready to do so.
@@Bl0_0nd3 its not extremely lonely and boring provided you have 1 or 2 people to have deep conversations with. Having deep and intellectual convos gets tiring sometimes. Sometimes its nice to talk about cars, or memes or whatever. Definetely understand
very well said i recently been having the dilemma of feeling lonely because im not around deep thinkers and im more interested in deeper topics when talking to people
For this I am so grateful for my wife. Even if sometimes she finds deep thoughts tiresome, she always listens, understands what I'm saying and replies. After ten years of sharing my deepest thoughts and concerns with someone, I can say that I fully enjoyed the experience of sharing meaningful ideas and conversations with someone and no longer seek the listening from "aqueitances". In my younger years not having someone to really talk to felt very lonely indeed.
I can 100% sympathize with this sentiment. Meeting my husband was just like winning the lottery for me. Here was a person who also like to stay and watch movies and just talk all night long. We had deep conversations about life and philosophy, things that were going on in the world, books that we'd read. We always ended up being Outsiders and people always thought we were negative because we question everything and we don't shy away from pointing things out that are false. Not in a malicious way but just to show that they are not correct. And people usually think that we are holier than thou, arrogant, or self-righteous. We are not we are very hard on ourselves. We have extremely high standards for ourselves. I think it was fate or something that we met each other because it is so fantastic to have someone that understands. We go long periods of time in the same room without speaking, just doing our own thing and then we sometimes sit in rooms and talk for hours and hours. It's just nice to have somebody who understands your level of weirdness
@@KpxUrz5745
You will be happier alone sir I promise
I found a Woman like that, patient Woman, put a ring on her finger, she is precious to me.
I hope to be as fortunate as you! What a blessing.
I know exactly how you feel. My wife listens to me all the time and I just realized through your comment how lucky I am to have someone who listens to me and actually makes me think much deeper sometimes . She also gives me some great answers sometimes that even I am not able to think and it makes me very happy and surprised . I think my thoughts are very average thoughts but I am always amazed at the patience she has for me and my ever talking mind. Thank you for your comment.
Growing up I had adults in my life that i deeply respected and still do to this day. One thing that blew my mind as I "went out into the world" was that so many people dont grow into the mature adults I respected. More often then not people just get older seemingly without maturing at all. Still crazy to me
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As a kid you think people are mature, intelligent and have everything figured out. It's hilarious
Yes. I've found most people reach a plateau, mentally, & they're comfortable staying there. It's like the guy at work, in his mid, late 40s', still listening to AC/DC, & you find he's comfortable also staying where he is, as far as level of training at work. And yes, I will most definitely lay some of the blame on the social acceptance of the use of drugs, combined with the legalization of recreational use of them as well. Don't even get me started on these pharmaceuticals.
Bottom line though is this: It's all been done on purpose.....by design. And how it is that most people can't see this happening, right in front of their faces, is absolutely appalling.
@@stevegregory7512yup most parents are just large children that are too daft to realize that allowing your human child to be raised by a screen is very very stupid, and 90% of the population thinks brainwashing or indoctrination is a hoax and doesnt exist, so when their 9 yr old says they are trans the parents are like “i guess thats just their personality” when in reality the dam 9 yr old has been watching trans videos on tiktok recommended to them by the algorithm
They grow old but they don't grow up. It's been a horrifying revelation to me now that I'm an adult
I have experienced it because I have always been a deep thinker, I like to think about ideas for hours and hours and it made me feel lonely, I never talked about what I thought to anyone else because I thought they wouldn't understand my point but when I started writing my thoughts and talking to people about I felt my level of thinking increased and the lonely part disappeared slowly and I have noticed people are ready to talk about critical ideas. I have learnt this habit from Dr. Jordan
You may be an introvert .
The world needs your ideas and thoughts so keep writing and talking!But this kind of thinking makes you very fatigued as you are working harder at it than the average person.
Introverts think deeper and analyse deeply - it takes energy.
So make sure you take time to decompress in between- put on your oxygen mask
Blessings
@@rachelkingsley668 thank you
Trust me, you're not a deep thinker. The fact that you're a fan of Jordan Peterson, says all I need to know about your critical thinking skills
@@rachelkingsley668 true
@@natelarper2650 Someone despises me. that's their problem
-Marcus Aurelius
It's VERY hard connecting with Family, etc. on deeper topics.
I can't tolerate solely talking about sports, & Gossip in addition to drinking.
When I Realized most people don't have anything to actually talk about, I just started minding to myself because it's exhausting being ridiculed for talking about things that matter on a grander scale
Yes
Yep I could have a more meaningful conversation with myself in my head then any of my family or friends and find myself trying less and less to make conversation with loved one as I'm so sick of hearing about tick tock bullshit news or just general gossip and feel if I try to talk about deeper things you can tell other people just aren't interested too much Brain power needed surrounded by other but can still feel lonely as hell least I know I'm not alone.😔
hmm.. interesting, just out of curiosity, what exactly are these deeper topics you want to talk about??
It’s definitely a balancing act. A high wire that I am walking most days. I think it’s good to engage with the surface thinkers, but I have a hard time giving them too much of my time. At the same time I want my ideas out there, and like it or not, they are the majority.
You’ve basically articulated how I feel when I interact with most of my friends.
As an INFJ I rarely feel alone, I enjoy the solitude. Being alone with my thoughts, exploring great depths and interests is something I enjoy. My parents did a great job with us, we were told we could do anything but we’d have to work for it, have standards, be disciplined and keep learning. We watched my dad build companies from the ground up and be successful. There were failures but he’s never quit.
Thats amazing im very happy for you as a sigma INFJ. Being lonely has always been painful but it was worth it because i have achieved amazing knowledge and formulas and perhaps saved someones life.
bruh your MBTI is bullshit. if you think yourself smart but believe in the MBTI, consider rethinking your self-image
@@zombine7103😂😂😂
As an INFP I completely resonate with what you said. I never feel alone and I love my own company. I am never bored:) Nothing in the outside world can even compare to my highly imaginative inner world.
Male INFJ here. I understand what you're saying. I too have built a company. It's pretty cool. Sometimes I do enjoy my solitude but it's like 50/50. I want to share my inner world with someone else and feel understood. But that kind of acceptance is so rare for our type.
Loneliness is one stage before realising that your personality, up until that point, has been defined by the reflection of it in others. Imagine suddenly noticing that this was why we are educated in large groups. Imagine finding out that we, as a collective, are much easier to control in groups, which seems to be the death of critical thinking. Imagine suddenly finding freedom and strength in yourself, rather than by being sheep and following everyone else. If you are here, you'll probably find The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind by Gustave Le Bon, and Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego very useful reads. But more important than those is Soren Kierkegaard's The Crowd is Untruth.
Also good is Conflict: A Life Nearly Wasted on Dualism.
5 star comment there Bo. Thanks for the recs.
I remember understanding in my childhood that my personality was essentially an amalgam of my friends, and that relatively little of who I was was me. I didn't see it as a bad thing. I understood it was a social cohesion mechanism. I was grateful for it. Hell, it wasn't until I started listening to Jordan Peterson that that changed, when I realized most of my friends had no interest in fixing their broken lives. You can bet your last dollar I felt alone after that wake up call.
A Soren Kierkegaard reader...never thought I would meet one on UA-cam...I like "Provocations". I will give the crowd is untruth a read. If you have interest in God...Richard Baxter is also a grounded person to read from.
wow, i never thought of that, great insight
It's not deep-thinking that makes you lonely, it's over-thinking. Getting so caught up in your thoughts that you arrive at inaccurate conclusions detached from the world outside your head is what drives wedges between you and others.
I have learned this through experience, and the best way to avoid such problems is to not take things too seriously. Meet new people, try new things, and just enjoy yourself, while being moderately cautious. Trust but verify.
Thanks, the guy behind me 👀
Thank you
That can definitely be the case, but it doesn't HAVE to be the case. Sometimes you don't have to start over-thinking to come to conclusions about events or people that create friction and divides. Sometimes just understanding enough about something or someone can enable you to see patterns over months and years, and seeing extremely negative choices and behavioral patterns can lead you to grow away from it.
We sure can over-think ourselves into a bad position, but sometimes all it takes is just a little normal thinking to see things for what they are, and sometimes what they are is something you want nothing to do with.
People are idiots. Bring on the wedges.
yes im guilty of that mindset too its hard to balance
There is a difference between loneliness and solitude. As a deep thinker myself, i frequently need to be alone for a considerable amount of time. But I can't remember ever feeling sad about that.. If i want to, i can meet up with someone or just make new friends on the spot. But i never felt the need to be around people all the time. I don't really "miss" people that easily either. I do try to visit my parents and hang out with friends at least once a month, but I'm doing it more for them than for me. And if people just cut me out of their lives without any reason, I'm fine with that too. I would be wondering if they are doing okay but i won't get upset or anything. I don't understand why some people can't be just with themselves for some time. I like to go to the cinema all by myself, i've done solo trips. I'm not afraid to stay alone with my thoughts. I enjoy thinking about complicated things.
@omar yeah yeah, try not talking with someone for 6 months and say that again. You NEED some amount of friends and socialization. This guy said that he has no friends yet he meets with them once a month. That's a lot. I don't hang out with people at all
glad to hear there is someone else like me !
@@JAKE-ng8yr haha where did I say I have no friends? And if you know you need some socialization, why don't you? There is the risk of insanity that comes after a certain time, depending on the individual. There are people who can't even be 24hrs without human interaction, mostly women. But if you're fine like this, then fine. If you do want to socialize I recommend joining communities because you have a higher chance to meet like-minded people. And when you do meet a like minded person, you hang out every week trust me. I can have intellectual discussions hours on end about something I'm interested in.
@@JAKE-ng8yr And 6 months is definitely extreme and unhealthy.
@@Kyoto99952 i dont hang out because i dont have anyone to hang out with? Are you dumb? What is that question? If I had friends I woudn't cry about not having friends
I love the way Jordan Peterson structures his ideas in a clear and straight fashion, showing a deep understanding of what he's talking about. in my opinion he's one of the best communicators in the world.
he has you and many others duped
he's a narc hack-fraud with a savior complex
and he got injected - he works for the elites to herd the masses for divide & conquer
The more you think and observe, the more pain you notice. Being a child is the best and btw the most important period of a human life
Ong being a child is so much easier I used to not drive myself crazy by thinking deeper and deeper
For some being a child is torture and suffering. Growing older means freedom to them.
@@SemekiIzuio I can totally understand
That’s a solid fact right there. Really happening to see how important our way of growing as a child is.
Why do you feel it's the most important time in your life? Does this not set you up for failure when you're an adult? Can you honestly say to yourself that you'll be able to live a happy genuine life with that self limiting belief?
‘IT IS BOTH A BLESSING AND A CURSE TO THINK & FEEL EVERYTHING SO DEEPLY.’ 👁
I’ve been known to be an extroverted type, but deep down I’ve always been a deep thinker for as long as I can remember. Friends have often said I’m an old soul, that I think too much, but I wouldn’t want it any other way. Trying to understand the deeper meaning behind events in my life, why certain situations happened, and how did it all affect up to the present moment. I’ve often said I don’t see my life in a linear pattern, but more like a web of connections . It can be hard to build truly deep and meaningful bonds, but they’re amazing when they do happen.
I live with my husband and oldest daughter and I’ve gone through a number of awakenings and have had a major shift in myself. My mind has grown and I have changed. I’ve always been a deep thinker and was misunderstood as a child so growing up I had a hard time making myself understand because I’m a deep thinker. My husband and daughter are not interested in what I say when I try to engage them in conversation that goes further than the weather or their job or anything that requires more input and when I start taking about things on a deep level they look at me like I’m crazy. I feel very much alone at times. But I do love art and music and long walks and I’m a painter and I’m currently working on a book so I I fill myself with creativity and having a creative mind and I’m happy and find joy in the simple things. I love my solitude and my own company.
It really sucks when the ones you love can't meet your wavelength intellectually, I get it. Anyway, cherish what you have though, because it is a beautiful gift, although none may see it like you do.
Deep thinking isn't a bad thing at all. Its only through this that I realised I can change the way I think. As opposed to being stuck in toxic programming from childhood and thinking I was a hostage to this way of thinking as an adult.
I have spent most of my life being told that I think too much. I grew up in a family where children were to be seen, not heard. My father spent a large proportion of my childhood trying to beat the curiosity and inquisitiveness out of me. To this day, I have to know why. I can't take things at face value. I have an interest in literature and history. Art and music can move me deeply. But as an asian female, I am regarded as an oddity by my immediate social circle (people I can't avoid). Even in a room full of people I feel intrinsically alone. I participate in conversations that I have very little intetest in and bite my lip when I hear some of the narrow minded perspectives that really upset me and I desperately want to challenge. But, in all honesty, I actually envy these people. They live their lives going with the flow of things. They take things on faith and don't question any deeper. They don't trouble themselves with what's happening in the wider world. They are content to adhere to society norms, good or bad and live solely within the constructs of their personal worlds. I have spent a lifetime trying and failing to conform and assimilate into this society. In the end, I have been left with serious mental health issues and no sense of identity . I feel cursed by my intelligence.
I know this is 4 months later but I hope you’re doing ok and sorry you had to deal with all of that. I don’t mean this in an arrogant way but people like us are actually mentally strong and normies are jealous and intimidated. I hope you can manage to be around some people who lift you up and appreciate you for who you are.
Naz by your own description your identity is one of an highly intelligent person that enjoys the fine arts and meaningful conversations. That's a beautiful thing. I can relate 100% with your story. Being an intelligent deep thinker isn't the issue, in my humble opinion. Maybe its low self esteem caused by the childhood relationship with your father. What has worked for me is positive daily self reflection, giving thanks for everything as well as being thankful for my own gifts and accomplishments. I think too much also, so channeling those thoughts into Positive self talk is important. External acceptance from certain social settings is usually temporary anyway. Sometimes the people closest to us are not the best for us. I like NB's reply and if I may add by suggesting that it's ok to be your own best friend at times. We are in challenging times right now and we are not as "alone" as we think we are. Just by reading the comments here you can see that. I hope you find peace.
i'm sorry about all the bigotry and familial abuse but you're not intelligent
I hear you. My loneliness is the same as yours, and I’m incredibly conflicted with the whole ordeal of it because at times I am struck by a searing clarity of thought issued by my capacity to think deeply/have intellectual empathy … other times, this very characteristic makes me want to run away from the world of man to a faraway land where no one knows me because only then will my apparent loneliness diffuse. I have entered university and am constantly surrounded my people, whose names and personalities I forgot either because they are all indistinguishable or I myself am too socially exhausted. Due to this loneliness brought on by a deeper capacity for thought, I feel disconnected from my peers, to the point where I mostly find myself being the friend who jokes around or provides comedic relief or is emotionally unserious because … I think I take on this role because I don’t want people actually experience how hard it is to connect with me (given it’s easier to be around someone whose laid back and only there to lift your spirits). I take on this role because, at this point in my life, it’s easier to be amicable with someone using my outward personality rather than risk social isolation by exposing my inner self. In a given situation, there’s so much I want to say, that I end up saying nothing at all. Anyways, there’s my useless little rant. I hope you can relate to a little of what I am saying, as I too am an Asian women (specifically South Asian). If you want to talk about anything more, or just want to share more thoughts, my contacts are below:
Instagram - @earthlingmash
Email - mashiyat.ahmed2004@gmail.com
Also late to the table, but - embrace it! Allow yourself to revel in what your mind turns to, what information your brain seeks out - the information your brain takes in. Do it simply for your own pleasure. Today I sit wondering how fantastic it would be if the internet hadn't been set up to capture and/or manipulate people. Instead if it had been set up to share all the information of the world just for the pleasure of self education! What a wondrous thing. I walk with a prospectors eye glass - and look at things close - that is how I came to believe in creation. There needs to be someone/something with huge endless heart to create such beauty as the world holds. Figure out your reason for why you are here now - at this great time of turbulence. There is a reason you are who you are right this minute. Trust in that.
I've lost most of my friends, for expressing different opinions during the last 6 years. It's not satisfying being proved right and losing your friends, but I can't ignore facts.
Friends come and go. Losing your self is forever. Hold fast, regardless.
It’s actually arrogant defining oneself as right which will result in you losing friends due to your attitude and inflexibility. Opinions are just that, a viewpoint from a perspective you’ve chosen to defend, they’re not factual or truths. A fact, especially in science, is transient awaiting a disruptive finding to break the consensus surrounding it. There are few facts. There are a multitude of speculations that hold for now.
@@brynleytalbot778 some things are opinions, and some things are right and wrong.
If you refuse to tolerate wrong from your friends you'll end up lonely, and if you beat yourself up over it you'll end up hating yourself too.
@@brynleytalbot778 life is full of arrogance and ego. It's also full of right and wrong.
Trying to remove all arrogance from oneself is not something that is going to help you in today's society.
Pandering after friends that are treating you wrong probably won't end well either.
Great comment
"For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
In my experience ( degree in philosophy) being somebody who constantly thinks about things deeply, I have found very like minded people. And formed deep bonds with them over sharing thoughts and debates. Problem is, all those people either move away, or just don’t stay in one place for long enough to remain in a close knit relationship. Because they want to live! They want to move around end experience the world and the different perspectives and lifestyles of others. So it’s hard to maintain relationships with those people because they tend to be nomadic in nature. They aren’t afraid of change and Adaptation, so they seek experiences and adventure. I suppose they would say the same of me.
I like that thought. I'm definitely fitting the description. it's just that in office jobs or acedemic environments most ppl are actually quite the opposite.
Phone calls
Everyone is a like minded person if you cast off academic pretensions and use words that fit your audience. In insular groups ideas stagnate. By spreading ideas with patience you can move others to think differently. When the psychologist enters the room and brushes the string the problem of tying two hanging strings together that are apart but you can only reach one, suddenly becomes simpler, a classical study of solving a task. On moving around you only escape your own barriers to expanding yourself within the immediate environment because you’d rather not make an effort to engage with those below your intelligence. It’s a folly that will hit as you age. I’m afraid intellectual thinkers often aren’t deep thinkers, they’re just desperate to appear so to a set of peers.
I can attest to that 🤣
I wish I had a degree so that I could say I have a degree.
Oh wait. I DO have a degree....
in Spanish....
while I teach English in Asia. College is largely a scam depending on the major. I didn't take my life seriously most of the time, so I did not prepare. But that's not so bad since being in Southeast Asia is better than being in the biggest nuclear target in history this WW3.
I resonate with this so incredibly. I feel so isolated and unable to connect with people and get crazy looks when I try to express my inner dialogue
I've been reading through these comments and they're fascinating. This is a community of like-minded thinkers who are lonely, all unable to reach out to the very people in this comment section who share your position. Theres probably a discord server somewhere for people, like us, to make friends and have good chats - you just have to be brave enough to reach out. ❤️
I agree but there's just something about being in the same room with the people you are talking to so you can see their expressions and hear their voice. Yeah Zoom is a thing but it's just not the same as having a chat over a drink on a patio, ya know? I've always wished there was a social media site where you can just make friends for the sake of making friends. Meetup sorta, kinda does that a tiny bit but you don't always need a hobby to bond over.
Sign me up my man
I don't think intelligent people want chatter which is idle small talk. Blah, blah blah. You can find that sort of interaction at a bus stop. They want thoughtful conversations, much more difficult to find.
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 please make the discord man
I've tried being brave and the biggest problem I've faced is that people tend to be so LOUD man. I'm just not a loud person. It seems to me like there's more noise in the world than ever before (which makes sense, because the Earth has the highest population ever). It's hard to find the space to make these conversations happen.
But yes, sign me up too!
I am only just learning to dig deeper into my needs and wants and the depths of my love for myself. I am definitely alone. But I am far from lonely. I’ve felt lonely most of my life whistle being surrounded by people who fit with my facade. Be unforgivably you. Set your mind free. Start LIVING
It is important to have "healthy" deep thinkers in your social circle. Going deep into the abyss can spell doom. Not just for yourself, but those around you. You can become a poison. It is vital to lift each other up in deep thoughts.
"healthy" being a key word, because you can think deeply about "irrelevance"
You dont understand anything, your just a such social individual, dont pretendent saying that all of us ha e to get some healthy deep think on our groups, thats completely wrong. If you need to have a someone like that ist because your not deep thinker at all because they dont need the company of other deep thinkers.
@@alex_foxy245 well ... If you think you're a "deep thinker" you'd notice how lonely it is to be the only one around doing that. Being lonely brings alot of negative traits with it. Having others who can think deeply creates a piggyback effect as well. "Birds of a feather ..." "Iron sharpens iron" "two brains are better than one" "the more perspective you consider, the better strategy you can formulate"
There is no such thing as healthy deep thinkers.
@@JoeyLegendd like the quote
I had my first child at 19. I was often scolded by older mothers for allowing him to climb trees and explore away from me. He’s now 14 and very responsible and hilarious. He knows how to say the most inappropriate things and somehow people don’t get too upset with him for it. I am so glad I had him young it made us very close.
You might want to discourage some of that behaviour from him, they're not upset with him, they're upset with you. You know it's inappropriate - then it is and you must stop it. This is not the age to be 'very close', it's the time for you to be a parent and not a friend, even if you don't know how.
@@somguy728 A video with a fantastic conversation about deep thinking, and you spew the most generic parenting rules and structure to someone expressing their great relationship with their child and the challenges they had to uptake. Please revise the video and come back. I find that the kids who have no filter are always the ones with the kindest hearts as they only want to bring laughter to the room!
@@somguy728 wrong... I think you're a middle aged man.
To op, keep that close relationship.
You did great, my parents were also both 19 when they had me, and now im 20 they are 40 and it is indeed the most privileged thing I have, it’s like having best friends as your parents. And I think it’s supposed to be so, because your souls went into this reality together.
@@milocommentacc.7250 I think you will always be a parent, but you must win their heart. Always be interested in what they're doing. Cultivate the relationship. I'm the first of 10 children and I had 2 of my own. I wasn't perfect. Also, you must set boundaries. Children feel secure with boundaries.🤗
I’ve been a deep thinker ever since I was little, I found Greek mythology when I was 11 and then philosophy when I was 12. It helped me to feel more understood, but I felt alienated from most. Especially those my own age. Since I’ve gotten older I still struggle with this, but I deeply appreciate those I can connect with and genuinely share my thoughts with. It’s far better than pretending to be interested in whatever is trending with the majority.
Truth💯
We live life with a purpose, majority of people don't.
No bitches?
Rt
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For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.
I am a 52 yr old guy and I only discovered within the last 2 years that there is nothing 'wrong' with my not being interested in most people. I honestly hate small talk more than physical pain. I do think we are designed to be social so I am still trying to figure it all out.
I had the same discovery around the same age as well. I also believe that some are gifted with socializing and some are gifted with the ability to think deeply and solve problems. Some are creative or are gifted with productivity or leadership abilities. I dont neccesarily think we are all social, I think our differences are complementary and we all have a role to play in society. I must admit that I find interaction with people in some cases to be painful and I dont feel bad about it a bit.
I'm a 19 yr old and I absolutely despise small talk, theres no substance in it. Nothing genuine. I learned very early what people I do want to be around and the people I dont. I observed my parents and my brothers, and none of them really live the way I want to. I want to enjoy life, but there's no joy in selfishness I've found. Joy is divided between people and that's what I'm trying to do, it just gets really hard. I need to work harder, there is this girl I work with though. Were very similar too, but I'm not sure how it's going yet, I guess I just gotta keep trying. I wish you the best!
You know as much as there is a big age gap between us. We’re all just figuring things out and when I’m 52 i’ll be just like you
They say I’m an introvert just because I don’t like small talk and listen most of the time. I think to myself “Two ears one mouth for a reason”. I don’t like talking but I like brooding over things.
@@kcx2678 soul mate ♥️
From my experience, my deeply cerebral and intuitive thinking -- my ability to notice extreme subtlety/small details and recognize patterns, while remaining based in empathy and maintaining a high order of self-awareness/consciousness is met with acceptance and kindness from total strangers through small, random acts of generosity, compassion, etc. and downright hostility from "friends" (especially of the above-average intelligence group who believe they've concluded life's struggles and solved its complexities). Generally they only want to hear what I have to say and only regard my critical thinking aptitude when what I say aligns with their worldviews, and generally avoid two-sided conversation when I have a deeply informed, objective opinion on something. And of course, I always receive no small amount of judgment and ridicule, but normally through gossip as I learn about it later through the grapevine. As a result, at 32, I've developed the ability to make friendly acquaintances with almost anyone and thoroughly loathe more intimate relationships with just about everyone, and completely keep people at bay with a well-crafted facade. I truly believe narcissism is severely under-reported and underestimated in human societies as as whole, and no longer believe that sociopathy/psyscopathy are black and white flags but rather a gradient of personality traits. What I'm not sure of, however, is whether they're on the rise as a result of some larger phenomenon (like social media, constant instant gratification, etc.) or have always been widespread amongst humanity and I can just detect it now (maybe it's a bit of both).
All I know is, as I've gotten older, wiser, calmer and more methodical/pragmatic in my thought process and response to social webs and less optimistic, I've become a lot more reluctant in my capacity to apply empathy in situations, and extremely wary of people and society. Sometimes I feel a bit misanthropic, but I am mostly disgusted with the way humanity operates in modern society. Mostly, I'm just exhausted with people and their constant need for ego stroking and drama fabrication. When you get burned time after time, and taken advantage of people who craft nice little sob stories and play the victim but also have mastered the ability to manipulate good-hearted people, you just don't operate the same way on a fundamental level anymore. I haven't abandoned my morals just to fit with a (really global at this point) society whose moral compass decays rapidly monthly, and as such spend most of my time alone or with my children, but I no longer have the naive innocence/patience I once used to and I no longer suffer arrogant assholes. I'm no longer passive and will defend myself when necessary.
I have learned that the best defense against selfish, narcissistic friends/family, is to go radio-silent. You can't win an ego battle with them, and you can never get justice if you're wronged by one.
Even though I am alone now, for the most part, I almost NEVER feel ALONE. When you conquer little bits of yourself, over time, you become less adjusted towards social groups/groupthink.
Being strong doesn't mean you become like them to survive. Just keep fighting your silent battles, never seek recognition, work hard in private, and the results WILL manifest themselves for you. Always be grateful of something, but never become complacent (one of the few actual sins in the Tao Te Ching) because you stop growing. There's always work to do and an improvement to be made somewhere. You can always strive to be better than you were, without becoming ambitious or being greedy for more.
That was a great read. I resonate with a lot of this. More power to you. I feel strength in your character.
How ironic that strength isn't viewed for how stout introspective people can be? Weakness and vulnerability is actually a strength that many don't process imo. Opening yourself to exploitiveness is a real sign of comfortability and secureness among an ocean of students that are still in the first year of life. They're still wanting the rest of society to be their parents and satiate their attachments disorders are resentments to how life should be because they don't process as is, they have concocted black and white thinking defense mechanisms the cope. This keeps them rigid in their reality testing.
Your thoughts are my thoughts exactly. We are the same age too. Interesting read, thanks for outlining so eloquently
Wow you have a lot to say. That's good
Amazingly put. This really resonated with me too. You sound like a highly astute individual who understands themselves and society on a far grander stage than what most come to accept.
Thank you for your thoughts. Wish you all the best.
Keen observations. But what if you are in fact wrong? It is within the realm of possible, no? I think it’s wise to ask yourself that question as often as you can. Keep it firmly in mind …“could I be wrong?”
Cognitive biases are tricky devils, and they plague every last one of us. It is easy to call out others under that spell, but very hard to see our own…even when we know they are there. Do some real digging, try to really find your own cognitive biases and recognize them for what they are. It is possible
Story of my life. Thank you for putting a voice to those of us who are lonely, deep thinkers.
Mine as well, I spend too much time alone thinking about everything under the sun but also tend to worry a lot about things even when these things are beyond my control, nice to know there is others in the world like myself
here with you
Same
You wish, Nicole
Peterson is lonely not because he's a deep thinker, it's because he is fangirling for Hitler ("you gotta hand it to the guy"), advocating for violence (that time he was upset that society says it's not okay to punch a woman who criticized him in the face and cried about it on air) and is a straight up anti-vaxxer (the time he lost it on twitter, insulted Trudeau and then said "give me death before you give me the vaccine" and complete buffoon (doesn't know what post-modernists are and that they're not synonymous with marxists) and climate change denier (couldn't tell climate and weather apart to save his life but still opened his dumb pie-hole to talk about it for hours) :D but yeah ^^ "hE iS lOnElY bEcAuSe hE iS a dEeP tHiNkEr"
This video popped up in my feed after waking up and being truly over the feeling of being trapped inside a prison of thought and contemplation. I was truly debating where the bullet should be aimed to minimize failure. Thank you Dr. Peterson. It’s lonely, but never forget, one man’s curse is another man’s blessing. Change your perspective.
I've always been a relatively deep thinker. I tend to think deeply, philosophically and broadly about things. I find that I generally have to repress my wish to speak on this level, because most just aren't interested and don't understand. So, yeah, in my experience, it makes it much harder to find people you connect with.
The arrogance astounds me within these comments. A connection doesn’t need to be intellectual. Maybe your barista should occupy your time on every visit expanding the intellectual depth of the coffee. Everyone will listen just so long as you don’t play intellectual superiority by using a vocabulary they don’t understand to appear smarter than you are, which they shun as you really appear arrogant and dumb. It’s how you express ideas that move others and opens doors within their minds which they then want to fill with interest. Academia is a toxic dump where ideas die within vocabularies to exclude rather than include. It’s a closed shop. A sad situation that’s not improving.
@@brynleytalbot778 I’ve been seeing you respond to everyone who expresses themself as a deep thinker and you immediately accuse them of arrogance. To me it seems you are the arrogant one for shaming other peoples lived experiences. Maybe realize there is truth to the statement? Or I suppose you know FOR A FACT that it’s just arrogance. Get a grip
@@yellow_airman yep, self projection at its best😆
I can kind of see your point but I think a lot of deep thinkers are also just frustrated. I am a deep thinker and good at expressing myself. People much older than me have always come to me for advice about life and been astounded at how much I know despite being in my early 20s.
It's lonley. Very lonley to make friends. I can fit in anywhere because of my social smarts but I'm always compromising a part of myself to fit in with other 20 year olds. I have better conversations with people in their 40s and 50s and 60s but they're at different stages in their life and we can't fully connect on life needs.
@@yellow_airman There’s a trend to join a clique through falsehoods about oneself. It’s an unsavoury practice in social media. I’ve only read a few comments whose language use expresses a true sense of deep thinking. Most comments convey a desire to join/create a clique.
It's difficult to yearn for more meaningful conversation when it feels like most people around you aren't interested in exploring things in depth
Indeed I've tried many times its like talking to empty vessel
Listening to professor Peterson is always challenging and educational.
I think deeply but I wouldn't say I was lonely.
I have less "friends" than many but those I have are valuable.
Also those of us who think deeply tend to be rather disagreeable because we challenge the narrative and that does not always make friends because to be friends with us requires work.
And requiring work shouldn't be a bad thing because I think it's the opposite: usually good things come from hard work. And I enjoy hard work.
Very true. The hardest part is that this mindset is nothing somebody can see with their eyes. Creates a lot of masking situations where people expect you to play by the script and you exhaustingly have to play their pretend games. Its mind boggling that society as a large portion take the daily life of acting out a character and saying pre scripted lines they use every time as the natural way for people to be.
No bitches?
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Difference between feeling lonely versus being alone.
As someone who grew up in America, it is funny that we were told we can be whatever we want when we grow up because A LOT of people have judged me for my career choice even though its perfectly legal to pursue and have always been playing musical instruments, performing live, and recording music. The real quote should be "You can be whatever you want when you grow up, but we get to judge your decision."
It’s great to see a community of like-minded deep thinkers in the comment section. I’ve grown up quite shy and quiet, who had trouble making friends and ended up being alone most of the time. I noticed that I had social anxiety during my teenage and young adult years. Then in my mid-20s, I started coming to the conclusion that my self-awareness and deep thinking made me get used to being alone. Solitude had always been an option for me but at the same time I know personal connection with people other than my family at home is what I secretly wished I had. Anyhow, as long as your content with being in solitude and able to make an effort to share your own thoughts with others, even when they might not share the same thinking/energy as you, at least they’ll understand you as a person and learn from you as a result. Empathy and compassion for others is also a must as giving even a shred of insight can make a large revelation for someone else.
The way to go is clarity of thinking rather than deep thinking. Deep thinking will drown you, clarity of thinking will allow you to see through your thoughts and get to the root of it. I dont advocate for deep thoughts cos you will be overwhelmed. Reflecting deeply must be accompanied with opposing opinions and thoughts to gain an unbiased perspective and focused scope of thought. Communication & organizations of thoughts in stages is key.
Saved the video so that I can return to this comment section. Really valuable information.
@@hadiakmal9281 I have a question.
Is clarity of thought possible without deep thinking?
@@tafseerahmad7383 yes. Look for the fifth discipline by peter senge. It explains how you can clearly identify and challenge your own personal assumptions, beliefs, biases and lack of understanding on the motivations of a certain topics. Think of this as the mud in the water that clouds your judgement. If you have clear water, no matter how deep you go, you can clearly navigate but if you are in muddy water how can you know if there is a crocodile lurking in that water. Think of it that way.
@tafseerahmad7383 having deep thinking without clarity of thought is dangerous. That is what leads to strong radical beliefs. People who think too deeply will refuse to see other perspectives that opposes their thinking which will actually cloud your judgement which is supposed to be based off facts rather than opinions, beliefs and biases. Humans are rationalizing creatures, not rationale ones. We question more than we actually know. We are more of a believer and then a factual creature. We are not as logical as computers where they are either right or wrong, on or off. Very binary and objective. We are more subjective, tend to argue more and dont really know anything till we tried it, failed and learn from it. If we had to learn from failure, then you havent really think enough. If the failure doesnt effect your life, no worries but if its fatal to your life, ambitions or career, then you know you have not thinked clearly enough to the point you are unaware of the dangers lurking from your own poor decisions. The bigger picture is seldom viewed through a deep lense but a clear lense. There is nothing to see, learn or observe or think if everything is so dark like the depth of the ocean, just like deep thinking. You gain nothing from it without clarity. You cannot invent a power source without 1st learning basic laws of electrical and mechanical physics. Facts are usually theories or beliefs unless it has become a law.
I spent a long time with people I didn’t like. Many years I sat on a couch alone as others talked over me (barring my parents). Within the past year I have since told these people how I feel, how they make others feel, and how they could change. I made new friends and found completely new hobbies. I am 100x happier now than I was even 3 years ago. I’m glad I’ve learned to be less agreeable and I never could have done it without Jordan.
As I reflect upon why I so intensely resonate with Jordan Peterson, it occurs to me that he manages to clearly and precisely articulate many things I’ve thought but either have been unable to express or lacked the time to express. Something about that builds up a great deal of trust in me towards him.
I certainly don’t agree with everything he believes, but I believe he is doing his upmost to be genuine and honest. I certainly am more willing to accept his truth claims when compared with those of commercial or ideological (religious, philosophical and/or political) representatives such as professors/experts, actors/journalists, politicians/leaders, or fundamentalists/activists. He is passionately dispassionate about so many things, but passionate about human potential and self-determination. He is also passionate about uncovering self-deception and deception in general. I admire Jordan Peterson.
he deceived you most of all. Peterson is laughably wrong in almost every subject he touches. Just check out what he thought he said about "climate" while confusing it with "weather" xD
@@kaivogel253 Perhaps. But his position on the climate agrees entirely with the position of all seven climatologists who I know personally. My counter argument is that you may be the one who is deceived by the systematic biases of main stream media with their penchant for junk science. I also possess a degree in psychology and I commend Peterson for standing against a leftist/PC/woke ideological campaign to reshape psychology in particular, corrupt academia broadly, and to frankly disfigure society according to their very extreme agenda. As a critical thinker, I immediately reject intellectual or scientific paradigms that silence, censor, belittle or otherwise marginalize alternative perspectives. I consider those who embrace such bullying to be either cowards, useful idiots, those who would negotiate/compromise with evildoers or the bullies themselves. A vast number of people buy into climate hysteria, but Peterson is right in two ways: 1) The crisis is largely a manufactured one, and 2) inasmuch as we have impacted the climate, we have no idea how to address it.
No bitches?
I think it's truth. Truth always resonates but you have to be honestly seeking it. Children are the heart of truth without ego, their observations will bring down a self described, 'deep thinker' faster than reality.
Knowledge is fractal. You zoom in on a point, and a whole new world opens up.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche
I got it tattooed on my rib as a reminder
Honestly, it's a great motto to go by daily, helps to keep in mind what matters most
it's like we still struggle with this FACT that.......it's super rare, but sometimes........it isn't really "you" that's the problem.....
but literally every goddamn body else 😂😂😂
Er, he went insane. Diagnosed with manic depression and psychosis. Also a drug user. So I'd be wary about listening to his advice.
So you don't listen to singers or bands that have used drugs?
ideally, we should be wary of everyone's advice and assess situations case-by-case, that doesn't mean that we can't take inspiration from what others say.
Especially if it's someone whose job was to think.
It's not even Nietzsche but Rudyard Kipling who said that btw
I believe deep thinking is associated with paying attention to small detail even in a person's conversation or tone of voice, so immediately when you start understanding that you can't have an intellectual conversation with that person, you have to agree to disagree and keep it moving.
Same with dating. There are signs at the beginning stages that the other person just sux. Again, a good time to keep it moving.
Absolutely correct. Thinking deeply is a trait rare amongst most people and if you're mind works in an uncommon way then you're not going to be with the common. It's been the story of my life, I push people away because I'm deterred by how shallow others think and others deter me because they think I'm too complicated.
You display judgement and arrogance which aren’t positive. It’s the ability to engage at all levels and tailor your vocabulary to the audience that defines a truly deep thinker. The attempt to distance oneself simply exhibits a profound character deficit.
@@brynleytalbot778 true, also the fact he claims to know the reason why others dont associate with him, which is cuz hes too complicated, is quite arrogant to say. maybe youre just exhausting to deal with? because you put your needs way above those of the people around you?
Wisdom is realizing yeah... It's not common. Common sense ain't common. XD Hell most people don't want to or actively seek not to think too deeply about anything.
Also don't listen to these doubters. People never wanna omit the possibility that you might have evidence and experience to back uo what youre saying. Didn't come off as arrogant or anything.
Anyone thats even somewhat introverted deals with the distance they created when they chose to go deeper. Group mechanics are very real and not everyone chooses to go along with them creating again that distance. It just is what it is. Pursue and hope for like minds to find you. XD
Ironically, your comment betrays the real reason you seem to push people away... you might be a deep thinker, but you seem to lack self-awareness.
For the people that are prone to thinking a lot, thinking is overrated for them. A new way to escape their patterns of thinking is experiential learning: meaning to be a participant in life instead of conceptualizing it.
Jordan has a point, the more I talked about my awareness I lost a lot of people but through that isolation I would have random conversations with people who could comprehend me.
I dont think theres a single person who watched this video and thought, "I'm definitely not a deep thinker", its a quality that we think we owe ourselves because of how we know so little about the way others think, effectively making the term itself subjective to the individual mind
That's some deep thinking right there
Seeing the world one way and seeing the absurdity of what the masses do qualifies you as a deep thinker. You're not witnessing the Dunning Kruger effect.
Here's a test to see if you are a deep thinker or not:
Do you care more about sports than politics?
Then you're a simpleton.
Do you believe the bandwagon fallacy of dumbocray is a good system?
Then you're not smart.
Are you proud of your country?
Then you're similar to Nazis.
THANK YOU. I’ve been getting frustrated with all these comments claiming to be deeper thinkers than others… In reality, I think everyone lives a full, complex life rich with interesting thoughts and feelings. It’s just not apparent to us because not everyone wants to jump straight to talking about philosophy or whatever. Just because thoughts are not expressed doesn’t mean they’re not there…
No, plenty of people admit they aren't "deep thinkers" and don't care.
Congrats, you got up onto a high horse to tell others to get off of theirs.
I spend a lot of time alone due to my deep thinking, studies, research, outdoor hobbies, not having a cell phone addiction, and my independent nature
I'm not really lonely to be honest, however it would be nice to make some friends into outdoor activities, sports and fitness
I can ditto your comment. Sometimes I'm left wondering "Oh, I only have one close friend apart from my wife" and then I tell this to her and she'll usually tell me to meet more people and while that sounds fun, ultimately, I'm left wondering if I'll be disappointed (which is almost always the case) when I do meet others because I'm unable to be myself and chat about deep subjects. lol. It's a merry-go-round in my head.
Friends are for the weak.
@@thetavibes9021 Most of my friends are in my head. ;)
@@fashioniconjaylienkay *The universe is mental*
*All is mental*
@@thetavibes9021 Mind's FREE to think
ergo NOT a slave
ergo NOT a slave to physics
ero NOT physical
ergo METAphysical
AKA magical AKA supernatural,
so I just proved spirits are real, and we must come from a Great Spirit.
I've actually had to deal with atheist fanatics who resort to denying being able to think, so I tell them I debate only with thinkers; they disqualify themselves from debate.
😮 That poison, tonic and girdle statement is just a fancy way of saying change lemons (poison) into lemonades (tonic) and then girdle yourself with lemonade stands (share the tonic).
I think loneliness is a power which everyone of us underestimates. It makes you powerful gives you freedom. Weak people at first may not like it but more you stay lonely you start to like it. It tempers you and you can experience a certain aspect without actually going through its ramifications in your own life cuz you can learn it from someone else's. You can then adjust the ideas according to your own self and apply them to your life to any degree cuz you don't have anyone you don't have to worry about how your decisions will affect them. Loneliness may look painful but it makes you superior than all these naive population who need people for their existence.
Couldn't agree more. During university, I had a period of 6 months with minimal/if any contact. Within that solitude I found a form of peace. I conducted myself as I saw fit and I slowly began to confront who I wanted to be, and who I really was without the personas used when with others. It was a really important life experience for me, I think. But it can get dangerous as too much social deprivation messes with your mind like crazy.
I wouldn't call that loneliness then.
@@hayatowatanabe8963 I’ve felt more lonely in company than i do when I’m alone.
I agree but eventually i think you have to leave it and I don't think it's good for society overall.
That's true. It's just the main caveat is that you don't have anyone to share anything with. And people who enjoy solitude tend to be selfish when it comes to relationships. They don't like to fulfill the needs of others, only themselves. So making adjustments in relationships can be tough.
This was brilliant. Entering my late 20’s I have spent around 12 years constantly learning and striving towards a deeper understanding of myself striving towards self actualisation, with an almost obsessive ferocity. I’ve understood my mental health with the help of my partner (she is a psychotherapist) to such a scary degree that it feels like I’ve spent a lifetime on this stuff. In that respect I have never met anyone like me which is shocking and that has been an abyss at times. It has me thinking, at what point is ignorance bliss? Something I know I’ll never find out .
@Kelly Q I legitimately had a physical visceral reaction to reading your words 😀 Thank you for taking the time to connect! The internet can be a wonderful place.
Kelly Q said pretty much exactly what I wanted to say when reading your comment. My goodness, it's amazing. I'm only 21 and ever since I can remember I've been obsessively self analyzing and trying to improve myself. It's what I feel my whole life is about. I'm truly glad to know you two exist!
@@isabellaa.7613 It feels like a gift and a curse at the same time! One thing I’d recommend is mindfulness. If I didn’t practice mediation (again I started doing it through the lens of self improvement initially) I would not be able to take a step back and reorient myself and look at the bigger picture. A nihilistic approach but I ask myself will I be regretful on my deathbed, should I have spent more time with friends, family, my daughter instead of reading another book and learning a new skill. Something I struggled with initially when I was around 23 was that couldn’t fathom how nobody else wanted to search for a deeper meaning to the same extent. I’d say during that period was the most isolating and I kind of didn’t really like people all that much. It fostered an arrogance in me (what is wrong with everyone) that I had to eventually address. I suppose it’s something you gain with wisdom as you get older which I couldn’t force through the raw acquisition of knowledge. Mindfulness is a game changer for people like us.
@@ashleyedwards3082 that's a great advice, makes a lot of sense to me. I do often have the problem of getting too caught up in my own inner intricacies, incessantly trying to function in a "perfect" way, only to be profoundly disappointed with my own "human-ness". That arrogance is something I can relate to, unfortunately, I feel it keeps me from seeing the wisdom of simplicity. I hope to outgrow that as soon as possible :') anyways, thank you so much for putting time and effort into writing such great advice! Wish you all the best!!!
Ignorant bliss is just being ignorant towards your thinking not giving it any more content after the first initial thought. Over time your body will break free from your mind and you’ll only discover bliss which is essentially what you are. You see, no amount of logical, rational thinking can give you this experience as long as the one who is thinking has dissolved Or become hidden. If you visualize a cave man and threw language on top of him. Would he attach an I on to himself. No of course not it would just be language with nobody using it. This is real freedom and liberation.
I actually credit my ability to be by myself and be entertained by own thoughts on the fact that I'm an only child. I spent a lot of time alone and learned how to enjoy my own company. I definitely get lost in my thoughts but I'm not claiming I'm a deep thinker.
the first person to write something on here that's not complete self-absorbed bullshit. Thank you. There might still be some hope for humanity left. Peterson is a liar and a demagogue though.
@@kaivogel253 ^^ amen. Tired of seeing prodigy’s comments. Being able to admit that, is deep enough. Too many people on here trying to prove it.
@omar Yup, sad that people feel the need to be recognised. I mean we may be deep thinkers, but bragging about it is exactly what makes someone not a deep thinker. Stay humble.
They also don’t realize that in order to have deep conversations you have to actually be someone’s friend first
thank you for being the first person in this viscerally repulsive comment thread who didn't happily diagnose themselves with being simply too smart to have friends. congratulations, you are at least better than these totally self-absorbed morons who fall for Peterson's shtick
I’m currently 19, when I was 12 I started to think for real, ”why are we here?” ”is there meaning to any of this?” And so on and so forth. I became so self reflective and obsessed with finding answers that I quickly started answering questions logically, jokes, flirts and other conversations were quickly turned into ”no but for real tho”. I can now send jokes back as hard or harder than they came as I lost my sense of filters, got no clue what love feels like, everytime my friends told me ”she’s totally into you” it never feels real, quickly goes right back to ”that can’t be, why would she choose me when you two are literally better choices”.
Welp now I’m 19 and nothings really changed, still feel unlovable and don’t feel real feelings, can’t even explain them if you asked me. And still am way too logical for my age so talking to people around you is really hard as they are all talking about either small or boring stuff. Meh
If there is something i can imprint on you young chap it's this sentence;
"Act with wisdom, but ACT"
I think you need to focus on this mantra
@@secretname2670 hmm, the thing is, how does one simply ”act” like I can’t act if I have nothing to go act upon. I can probably research this a bit further but I can’t promise that it will bring me any peace.
You mean ”act” as in when you have the opportunity to do so? Or simply ”JUST DO IT”
@@Illvzion do things, get hit , survive, repeat
@@secretname2670 yeah well there’s only one way to get hit hard enough, and that’s either mentally by a potential partner or physically by getting a motorcycle. Been wanting to get one anyways so I guess 1 for 1
@@Illvzion Dont worry just keep going you're alot dumber than you think, dont be so conclusive, maybe become aware of how much you dont know and start figuring it out. Difine what it means to know. To really know any idea, you need to know what it is by defining it, how much it ranges from the smallest to the largest, the nature of it,its opposite, how it manifests, begin to see it in situations. Also having a partner or motorcycle is not what you need at all. Work on yourself first. If you dont know how then find out how. Your awareness, critical thinking and understanding of the word can be sharpened infinitely. Then your physical health. Exercise, food, posture and breath to mention a few. Then theres social things. Your relationships with people,your social understanding, your connection to people, morality, family relations. The your practical day to day skills. Conscientiousness by setting goals, taking care of yourself, seeking to grow, getting better at whatever you do. And of course have dun with it dont take it too seriously and if you dont know how to he playful and non serious then work on your ego and making it smaller and learn some philosophy on the way of life by allan watts or any zen master
I have been lonely my whole life and am only child if anything I’m used to it and it definitely has made me a deep thinker most people want someone to share their life with me being the overthinker I am just sees a divorce or unhappy marriage. To really be happy in life you have to love yourself and who you are then things will unfold as they should
I can relate to you worldview.
'things will unfold as they should'. That's a bunch of Pollyanna bollocks, same swill that's trotted out to everyone in intolerable circumstances. 'you have to love yourself' - here's the translation: broken people are worthless and deserve to rot in lonely misery.
@@Carandini There’s narcissistic self love, an inner destructive force, and the acceptance of oneself and one’s individual qualities and values, self love, and the acknowledgment of not wishing to impose those on others, an inner positive force.
Only child here too of older parents. Learned early on, you gotta become a person you like to become your own best friend cause the opposite choice is lonelier.
Once kids left home I (Mom) spent 16 summers on a mountain in a fire lookout - thinking at whatever depth has never been a problem for me. If it is a heavier subject you go deeper! It takes what it takes and when the thinking gets tangled I always have a book to write it out in, and a road to walk out on. When it gets really messy I put in earbuds and listen to a book! Dogs are delightful to talk things over with! Seldom feel lonely.
That sounds so peaceful. I bet you came to so many realizations. For the right person, that sounds idyllic. A bit lonely perhaps, but it would certainly have its advantages.
Like the game “Firewatch”, that job sounds so awesome
Great and helpful conversation. I always saw things as obvious that others didn't. I felt alone and scared until I accepted, later in life, that it wasn't a disadvantage.
Here in Canada, we have the USA - But if this is their resolve, then Canada is on their own.
Just saying, China or Russia and we are gone.
Quebec / Trudeau put us in debt, 9 Trillion - Took away our Guns, and now they are taking away our right to assembly.
Its not looking good if we are trying to prevent invasion -
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Council on the Environment - shut down 1868 by Canada, ALMOST READY!!!!
No bitches?
Tall poppy syndrome is very prevalent in Australia, too. It is very painful to be on the receiving end.
Being lonely is when you complain about being alone.
Being alone is when you're alone by choice.
That's the difference. Hence your question is a little vague.
However, deep thinkers should figure out when to be social, take away the pleasures from it, and know when exactly to get out of it. If not, the person isn't thinking deep enough.
Very true. Perhaps the only deep thought I’ve read in this comments section where there’s a deep lonely need to belong depicting a host of lonely people who’ve made themselves that way through thinking themselves too superior to engage in normal social interactions.
@@brynleytalbot778 this was a long sentence. But from what I decipher from it, I feel what's being mistaken is "wanting the like minded" with the notion of "too superior to engage in normal conversations".
However, wanting to engage also depends on the possible length of the interaction too.
100% agree.
Not having social media and being exposed to channels like this, makes me realize I’m not the only one my age who thinks in a high resolution way. I am completely alone in a normal day. The more I seek knowledge and gain it, the more aware I become, the more superficial my relationships seem to be exposed. The circle of stimulating environments shrinks. It is sad because I realize I am more responsible for my future outcomes and my future family. The reward will be greater though and that is worth the awakening.
I'm thinking that we Americans should abandon this "you can be whatever you want to be" rhetoric in favor of honesty about how you become what you want to be. You're free to try and have any job you'd like, but achieving that is never easy.
You CANT be whatever you WANT to be..........
I know "People told us" this growing up, but.......they told me too.......and I knew from a pretty young age there was no way in hell I could've been a Pirate or a Ninja in the 21st Century 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kids need encouragement AND a healthy dose of realism. There are many professions that seem cool to kids (artists, rock-stars, athletes), but parents neglect to tell them that only a tiny percentage of people can turn those kinds of interests into a profitable career.
I seem to remember it being different. You can be anything you want to be. Instead, through hard work you can be anything you want to be.
@@williammentink hard work isn't enough. It's necessary though. First you have to really know yourself and know what you really want, not what you think you want
@@formless4541 That's the catch though isn't it? How do you find out about yourself? That's when the old wisdom of working to become something kicks in. The process of becoming for lack of a better phrase. As you work towards your goal you discover things about yourself and there you reevaluate. Continue on to your goal or set a new one? Then it happens again and then again.
How do you know that a goal is actually unattainable? You try.
I think it’s possible to be magnetic in the sense that others who think deeply will “find” you. That’s my experience at least. Sometimes the loneliness I feel is actually impatience. It’s important to pick the right time to think deeply with people.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Soon aa i hit my 25th birthday things turned massively. My self awareness, perception on things and life shifted in a way I've never thought I'd be. In this process I've lost people around me, at times even my own family fails to understand the way i see life , human values and etc. its. tough game.
I changed dramatically around 25 and again around 30. I care less about what strangers think of me. Care more about my loved ones. My values completely shifted to where I now value peace above a lot of things. Im also less tolerant of BS not only from others but myself. And im excited to see what another 5 years bring. Who will I be then?
I’ve been asked a certain question by my wife over the years, “would you rather have a child who is intelligent, or who is happy?” And I use to think the answer should be intelligent, as intelligence can allow you to influence the world around you in a dramatic way. Then I realized, what point is there really to life other than to enjoy it? And unfortunately, there is some level of a parallel between ones level of intelligence, and ones unhappiness. As it becomes difficult to find contentment when the intelligence of your mind craves so much to keep it satiated. So in summary, if there was only one outcome, I’d rather have a happy child than an intelligent one
Totally agree. I always tested in the 99% of everything in all my schooling and I have found adulthood very challenging and very lonely. I'd much rather my children be happy if given the option of that or high intelligence.
The perception of happiness is sold to you.. The happiness that comes by liberation is enough satiating
Please bear in mind, the lack of intelligence does breed unhappiness as well. Happiness can be fleeting if there is no intelligence in your life since you will be prone to making more bad decisions, like poor family planning, bad investments or even poor emotional intellect.
Ignorance is bliss. I don't want have a child cause what if my child think like me and blame me for giving him life in this stupid world
If you die tonight, do you know where you're going? Did you know that Jesus Christ is THE Truth, the life and the only way to Heaven?
Revelation 20:15 ''Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.''
Through Jesus Christ, God offers you a FREE gift - forgiveness. All you need to do is repent, turn away from your sins and evil ways,
from now on put your faith completely in Jesus Christ and be obedient to Him.
Biblical explanation of the Gospel:
God doesn’t want anybody in hell, but you must understand why
we deserve hell and why those who refuse to live under His authority will go
there. He gave us the law (Ten Commandments) not to make us righteous, but
rather to show us our sin (Romans 3:20). God gave us free will and since Adam
sinned in the garden, sin is the nature of our flesh and we ALL have sinned. (Romans 3:23)
The law demands death to those who sin (Romans 6:23). Since we have all sinned, we all deserve hell.
Revelation 21:8 says that all liars will go to hell. Yes, even if you have lied once in your life, you are sentenced to hell - that's how
high God's standards are of moral perfection because God is holy and righteous, there is not one sin in Him.
For someone to be justified before holy God they have to be sinless, that's why everyone need Jesus Christ
- for He lived a sinless life, died on the cross and rose from the dead on the third day.
None of us are good in God’s eyes, because for God good means moral perfection. We all
have broken God’s commandments, we all have sinned in our lives so none of us
are good. ‘’For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is
guilty of breaking all of it.’’ (James 2:10). Our carnal mind is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's moral law and it never will (Romans 8:7). We hate the thought of God for the same reason a criminal
hates a policeman - we know we have sinned against God and are guilty of it and we don't want to be damned.
No good works will ever save you. You can't earn salvation by good works, because God will judge us for our sin.
Good News is that Jesus Christ lived a perfect, holy, sinless life and He died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
He was buried and He was raised from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.’’ (John 3:16)
We aren’t saved by our good works, but only by the grace of God through faith in Christ.
''For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God -
not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Jesus said ‘’it is finished’’ (John 19:30) just before He died on the cross, which means He paid the fine for our sins
(past, present, future) to be forgiven only IF we repent and trust in Him.
This is how you can get saved from sin and hell - repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ. Get to know Him
by reading God's Word.
So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him.” (Luke 11:13)
''What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!'' (Romans 6:15)
''Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out'' (Acts 3:19)
Repentance is a turning away from sin and all evil works, and it always results in changed behavior (Luke 3:8).
Biblically, a person who repents does not continue willfully in sin.
While sorrow from sin is not equivalent to repentance, it is certainly an element of scriptural repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10).
Do not play a hypocrite. ''God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all.
If we claim to have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.'' (1 John 1:5-6)
(John 3:3) Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
If you have repented and have genuine faith in Jesus Christ then you will receive the gift of Holy Spirit and be born-again spiritually.
When you believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance
until the redemption of those who are God’s possession - to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:13-14)
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. (John 3:36)
''You will know them by their fruits'' (Matthew 7)
If you have been truly born-again with the Holy Spirit and He has regenerated your heart, you will desire righteousnes -
to do what is good and righteous in God's eyes, to seek God everyday in His Word and prayer, to strengthen your relationship with God.
You will no longer desire to willfully continue living in sin but will want to obey God out of your love for Him because of His amazing grace
revealed to us through the death and resurrection of His Son.
''Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.'' (2 Corinthians 5:17)
''For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.'' (Eph 2:10)
You will have a testimony - of what your life had been before and how has it changed now when you have surrendered it to Lord Jesus Christ.
As a declaration and affirmation of your faith in Jesus Christ, get baptised in water because He commanded us to do so.
In John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.''
''Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'' (Matthew 28:19)
''Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.'' (Acts 2:41)
''And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also - not the removal of dirt from the body,
but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,'' (1 Peter 3:21)
''We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that,
just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'' (Romans 6:4)
''Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God,
who raised him from the dead.'' (Colossians 2:12)
Please get right with God and get to know Jesus Christ personally today before it’s too late, because there’s not much time left!
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.’’ (Mark 13:32)
Get to know Christ through God's Word - Bible. At first I recommend reading Gospel of John and book of Romans. God bless you!
Jeremiah 29:13 - ''You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.''
I love deep thought like this. I catch myself spending a lot of time alone attempting to figure things out & come up with a decent solution that won't backfire.
We need more of this. Very 'Mindful'.
There are more questions than answers & the truth is out there.
your thoughts are so shallow they'd evaporate on an overcast day
The truth can be found in things most would not assume, but I've found I am not going to get it all from one book or yt video. The trick is deciphering the truth from the abundance of distractions.
I read something the other day that suggested that the more intelligent you are and the more you know, the more likely you are to suffer from anxiety. That made me worry, so I decided to systematically forget most of what I know. It worked for a while before I forgot what I was doing
I also appreciate how the tall poppy section is called 'tall puppy syndrome'
I was thinking this today. Life was so much easier when you’re not so self aware. Sometimes it’s simpler to just fit in and go through life like a sheep and not think for yourself.
You’re so deep and such a intellectual
@@t.f.7974 why are you resentful and Jealous?
The greatest ability is to harness the integration of the power. Use it when it’s necessary. Difficult situations, disputes and to keep you on track to better yourself while keeping a firm ground on an objective reality.
@@jonpaulcox4954 I don't think he was being mean :) He was paying a compliment.
The reason why childrens are happy because they don't have self awareness
Thinkers are analyzers. If you have working pattern recognition, you will do this with the people around you and realize how much their behavior and ideology does not match your own. That's where the feeling of loneliness comes from.
I definitely think it's a class thing, just from my personal experience. I grew up in very working class areas of inland California and Idaho, but my career has been in Los Angeles and San Francisco, among a very different class of people. My friends' children are like aliens to me. They're delicate and sensitive and thoughtful to the point of weakness. I mean, teenage brothers who watch tv, hugging each other. Kids who don't want to ride their bikes further than their own block. Teens who don't have any interest in getting a driver's license. Where I grew up, sibling relations were competitive, vulnerability was mocked, and the world was something to aggressively explore and even antagonize. And they still are that way, when I go home to visit.
deep thinkers are often delicate and sensitive, that doesn't make them weak though, in fact it can make them incredibly strong and willful people if they can direct that sensitivity into something productive
Oddly been on both sides of the equation, at this point. First grow up in a shoddy, dilapidated slum of a downtown core with abusive, narcissistic parents from a family of first-generation refuges; Afterwards, move to a clean-cut suburban area of wealthier demographics in your adolescence coupled with further softening into university.
The result from each move used to shock me as a kid, almost as if entering entirely different worlds. I vividly remember just prior to moving between areas that classmates were constantly harassing, bullying, and dissing their own teammates over stupid shit in teams sports -- Contrast that to the school after moving, which was so damn pristine it stunned me to watch my teammates in basketball actually encourage each and exchange pats on the back over missed shots. Handshakes with the other team, and school uniforms? The actual fuck? You'd get shoved, beat, and mocked for days on end for being any less than useful in a nearly meaningless game, just prior. Begs the question, what is normal? Answer is, normal is relative and constrained to your environment.
Looking back as an adult who's done enough research on personality disorders and traumatic recovery, I now realize a good half of my class in my first decade had alcoholic and abusive households from 1st-gen refuge parents. The latter demographic had mostly professionally educated, 2nd-gen refuge parents. To say that I'm proud of my roots is a reach, but I don't bear any regrets experiencing the rougher decade. Those nightmarish memories instilled a ton of gratitude for the most basic needs of survival, including a once-desperate wish for safety from my own bloody guardians, which has now been realized. Ironically, I still have work to do on this matter, so best of luck to anyone also working through their personal issues, dysfunctional behaviour, and self-sabotaging beliefs.
That doesn’t make you a deep thinker. It makes you stuck in the past and wanting everyone else to be in the past so you can feel comfortable with the next generations progression.
Sure I agree kids growing up now have some serious issues but living like what you suggest isn’t proper either. I’m the youngest out of my whole family and both my siblings are 11, 13 years older than me. My parents made it big but always had working class mentality.
Each child isn’t cookie cutter were you can just throw some blanket statement on how things should be because frankly the parents who raised the last few generations were very ignorant also. Gotta come at each kid with what works best for them so you can help cultivate them to flower.
Unfortunately we people only seem to know extremes in one way or another missing the so obvious balance that life needs to be at its best and most bright!
I understand what you are saying though, kids have become little bubble kids.
easy times > weak men ?
That's more of a generational and urbanized concept than anything else. From your story it sounds as you're old enough to be from when being a latch key kid was still common. I feel that's something that has been dying out in the last 2 decades. Glad my parents allowed me that privilege. No cellphones, be home for dinner mentality was the best as a kid
"Be the stupid one in the room"
I instantly understood it. I lived by this
Once you become underestimated, you have an advantage
When someone else believes you're intellectually inferior to them, you'll see their true colors. They'll take advantage of your kindness, they'll mock you, they'll bully you, etc. You will become their stepping stone, but a loose one
Regardless that it's a Win:Win, it becomes lonely. The more you learn and perceive others, the more corrupt you find them to be, and the less like them you seek to become. The wider the gap. You're the only one at the finish line and looking back on others fighting each other for the lead, when it's not even a race. You're perceived as a "drop out" or far behind in line instead of at the finish line
People bully others bcuz they cannot see themselves within others. They fear them. They fear inferiority. The potential. The unknown
The level of unintelligence you deal with skyrockets, or at least the awareness of others' unintelligence, dramatically increases and so does their hostility towards you
No matter what you do or say, you can't show people what's right in front of them. Your words will ALWAYS fall on deaf ears. You are the bad guy, you are wrong
It's a world full of the insane, where the sane are percieved as insane. It's the whole world that's out of touch with reality. There's no other reason you're treated as such. They are errything they accuse you of. The Satanic Principle of Reversal. You're alone. The gift and curse of knowledge, of overcoming ignorance. But at least you have 1 person who died for you and that's all that rly matters
“they are everything they accuse you of” very powerful words. People are reflective of how they think and feel within; combine that with ignorance and ego 🧨
@@isopodgod5410 I wouldn't really call it powerful words. It's just Totalitarian tactics. Propagandists. Lies, deception, etc. It's all based around Supremacy
Pride is an Ego-Driven impulse. Pride is the foundation in which we build our Ego upon. It's arrogance, ignorance, and then intolerance
Pride is a coping mechanism. It's born out of low self worth or accomplishment. Boastfulness. Embellishment of the Ego. Pride is Supremacy. It's the embodiment of insecurity. It's insatiable, discontentment, dysphoric, rejection, denial. The source of erry negative psychological aspect of us
Pride cannot sustain itself, it is a means to an end. It can only corrupt (like a parasyte) and relies on the constant need to spread to desperately keep its head above water, grabbing onto erryone and pulling them down under like loose rocks on a cliff
"There's nothing the Proud won't say or do to avoid Humility. Even if it comes at the cost of others"
Absolute bars my brother
Great observations Chris. As a 60 year lad from Sunderland (now Scotland) I am not so much a tall poppy, as a strange poppy often out on a limb in my thinking and attitude. I found both you and Jordan's observations strangely encouraging. Keep up the great work.
I'm 15, and I've always been a deep thinker. I was striving for answers, and profoundness in every single human interaction that I've had. I was very lonely, in a way I was making myself lonely. Personally speaking, I've come to realize that not everything has to be meaningful, because there's no answer in this world. I've learned to enjoy life.. not every conversation has to be SOMETHING. Yea,, but still I have many things inside of me that I would like to share with people who are willing to.
It is quite a tragedy. For a couple of years or so, I’ve been attempting to form new relationships but was unsuccessful as I was anticipating a particular outcome in all conversations I take part in; that people would better themselves to some degree, and that they would be walking away from the interaction with a higher intellect. At age 17, I believe that it is quite rare to find people who share these type of social values. It made me pose questions about myself that differed in my self-perception; perhaps I was too arrogant to engage in ‘normal’ conversations, perhaps I was simply socially inept, perhaps I surround myself with the wrong people, and so on. Regardless of what the answer may be, this proclivity to constantly challenge my own intellect in everyday situations is a rather unrealistic life perspective. Though I am aware of how I behave and the way I interpret my surroundings, I am afraid of returning to a life where I felt like there was no value in learning. Compared to who I was less than a year ago, I am now thriving in knowledge; this is definitely a turning point within my intellectual as well as emotional development. In reference to Lewis, my deserts have been irrigated. I developed a keen curiosity in learning new concepts and philosophies, and I constantly find myself thinking about the liberal arts, particularly philosophy, theology, linguistics, history, and literature (total nerd, I know). And this has consequently caused a decline in my willingness to interact with others as I realize that my values and interests are not worth anything to others. This makes me quite anxious about my future social status.
@@uphxriaa yes i was the socially inept girlie..
I was always praised from other people from a young age on how eloquent and (mentally)mature I was.
yk.. people don't always talk because they have common ground. The reason why a conversation is keep going is because
1. We have the SAME values for something
2. One person almost volunteering to the other person for a conversation.(constantly asking questions, LISTENING to what the other person says)
....and it's mostly 2(for many reasons), or for more emotionally delicate, and sensitive people they both try to get 'engaged' in a conversation.
The people I liked and thought I've actually had a connection were people like option 2. I was always trying to fLaUnt my DeEp values toward them. They didn't even know what I was talking about. lol
The reason why the idea 'everything has to be meaningful is immensely dangerous' is becuase, if you don't think it's meaningful to some degree, it just becomes nothing to you.->that's why I had depression. But still, the feeling of being intellectually dominant over somebody was a thing for me. AND AND AND I still had the mindset that relationships have to be meaningful, in fact, everything has to be. I was trying to form 'deep' relationships. If they're not deep they're practically not my friends yk (hmm...)
Years passed.. people weren't fitting my expectations.. and I found myself being in a trapped in my mind. Anyways
Do you read the Bible?
@@jrdyr624 yea im Christian. There's no answer other than Jesus Christ :)
Makes sense then, I’m sure you’ve read ecclesiastes right?
I am a deep thinker and most around me cannot relate. My over-thinking of abstract concepts and future possibilities leaves me often unable to manage the day-to-day.
At least you're not cattle like most people. Feel good knowing that you are above others on the scale of human consciousness
I've always been like this as well, (archetypical INTP.) But lately I've matured, and started taking care of myself. I advice you to do the same, your thinking will improve exponentialy, and your social battery will increase as well.
Don't be like the guy above, he's bitter and arrogant which leads to lesser quality in logical thought, and consistency.
It also shuts down being able to see more possibilities.
just a little tip: try to find a job that "grounds" you in reality. like a job with ppl or a trade. an office job or jobs where you don't have a lot of doing, is gonna kill you if you have that tendency. just my 2 cents
@@NotFragPlx that’s exactly what I do. I work with low income parents trying to get educated and obtain Working/Middle class jobs or better. Their small successes is what keeps me going, besides my own family, and they’re the reason I still get up every day. Problem is, I was “one of the best” in my field and my class but have been unable to advance at all in the organization that I’ve devoted a decade to. I’m trying to move on to something new, but no one will interview or hire me. It’s not my doing-I teach people how to land jobs yet I cannot seem to do so. Anyways, I’m sick of watching the rich get richer while the rest of us get wrecked by the economy THEY created. By they, I mean the corporate political establishment of both parties. They only argue over their side’s pet social issues and NEVER address the economic factors other than to throw money at it-money that surprisingly ends up concentrated in the hands of the ultra rich. I took our stimulus and bought a rifle, and invested the rest. Mostly in Bitcoin. Anything I put in the stock market gets wiped out-without fail. But then again, I entered while the market was at a top in most sectors and bought before the December fed minutes released and crashed most tech/growth stocks. I want to know where I can park my money for a year and at least maintain it-maybe see a meager 7-10% return. Any ideas of what will last in this tumultuous market?
Funny how this conversation was related to another I was having on a finance channel out trading and building wealth-they’re all related, so, sorry if it seems out of left field talking about wages and income/investing.
I love the speed at which they talk, and the calmness that resonates
I'm such a deep thinker.... I can sense things before even it happens to me and most of the times my gut instincts are on spot... 100% correct
Not sure how my Subconscious work but it catches tiny little details and shows me signs if something is wrong for me it that way I'm so blessed and yes I feel lonely but ovr a period of 27 years 😅i used to my solitude I enjoy my self and my own company and by gods grace have few good friends. Life is getting better... Thanks to the power of deep thinking. But sometimes deep thinking consumes my energy I feel exhausted and stressed thinking something which is not happened.
Finally met someone who can do the same, thought I was on a lone boat
Its almost like a curse in this day and age isn't it I'm glad I'm not the only one
One can be a "deep thinker" without ever looking inward.
People find isolation/loneliness terrifying because it forces co-existence with a person they don't love or understand: Themselves.
Those who don't understand this need other people in order to distract themselves from uncomfortable truths.
The feeling of loneliness (or lack thereof) is almost entirely dependent upon this concept.
A person at peace with their true nature no longer needs to feel loneliness.
@omar no doubt most do. I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit-hole, but I would say that there is a connection to be made that, once made, provides a greater level of comfort and satisfaction than social interaction. Once that connection is made, social interaction is nice, but not a prerequisite for sanity.
@omar in addition to being social creatures and more importantly imho is being productive. One's definition of being productive is discretionary but if a person stays busy doing either what needs to be done (job or chores) or what they enjoy doing, can replace much of the need for social interaction. It took me a long time to learn to enjoy my own company and to channel my own thoughts into doing things that are good for my life and my goals. I have to be careful, selective and limit my social interaction time.
Except the hunger for more that cannot be quenched easily
So people who dont self love are lonely?
It's an issue of comfort with your own company. Not representative of any 'true self' within you. There is none.
I've experienced this too. Not only in my working class environment, but also later with more educated middle class people. I almost felt like they were afraid of me, because there was constant laughter and subtle hatred about my ways of thinking and viewing the world. While I was feeling like the only one who could see within the blind. Later on in life I actually met people who were very much like me from humble backgrounds and different education standards but thoughtful deep minded people. And with that stepping out of line thing, it is the same in Germany. Individualism and big thinking is very frowned upon. You have to do what's socially acceptable in your soical class. I always hated and still hate this mentality, because I always felt like "What's your problem, just let me live my life the way I want, because I also let everybody live theirs?!"
That's why people move to Berlin :)
Just lately with the rent prices rising it has been curbed.
Which parts of Germany do you think have less constraints like that?
The middle classes protect their bigoted ignorance and lack of intellectual capacity by redefining intelligence to suit their own avariciousness. They lock others out if they don’t comply. They’ve infected academia, dominating it, after ensuring the ladder of equality was torched to benefit them. The richer you become the more distant you are from genuine society. I’m afraid Peterson spent so long with successful middle class people he’s blind to how they’ve twisted society to their own interests. Education has become the ability to memorise a multitude of disconnected information to create the illusion of intellectualism. “Thinking people” play the intellectual game by quoting the “great minds” thereby claiming authority by association. You are quite right in finding that people judged by intellectuals as uneducated are often greater thinkers than they are. Too much knowledge results in arrogance and bigotry. It’s an odd outcome.
A poet by the name of Saadi has said “A wise man among the ignorant is as a beautiful girl in the company of blind men.”
@@conversationcorner1837 Symmetry is highly correlated with impressions of beauty so the blind man wouldn’t be disadvantaged in identifying that by touch. So says a deep thinker ......
@@TheShamuraja Actually, in the Rhineland area, where I live. But people from other, more conservative areas move here for work and spread their narrow mindedness...
Ignorance is bliss. Perspective is a bitch. When you realize you can see a couple hundred moves ahead, and therefore see that you're not going to win, it makes it hard to keep playing the game.
I've had my first pregnancy when COVID-19 started.. I always have been a deep thinker. As the world went into the chasm of chaos and misinformation, I never felt this lonely.. All day thoughts running in my head, the things are happening in the world, if i will have a good environment to raise my daughter.. Thank god, my husband and I are happy with a beautiful and healthy baby girl.
Thank you for sharing fufu 🥺👈🏻👉🏻
@ fufu
What you describe is more akin to overthinking.
“Make the best use of what is in your power, and take the rest as it happens” - Epictetus
I never considered myself a “deep thinker” I always thought everyone thought like me but I realized real quick society in general doesn’t tolerate having a healthy doubt and conditions critical thinking out of people.
I wouldn’t even call it thinking but observing without bias. The observer is not the observed. The description is not the described.
I'm not really sure of what is bias free observation. I assume it would be observation without thoughts and feelings.
@@conversationcorner1837 ...Bias-free observation is almost impossible, but one can become consciously aware of one's biases, and keep them in mind when evaluating the observation{s}. This is one of the reasons for working with others - multiple observers may see slightly different things which can then be evaluated collectively to sort out fact from fiction. A tricky business all around, but history, especially in the "hard" sciences, shows us that we can eventually understand, which allows us to invent & benefit not only ourselves but the entire world. Think electricity, for instance. First a mystery, then a novelty, and now the basis of much of our civilization. My physics bias is showing, I suspect... LOL
@@jrb_sland5066 Works for material substances...how do you apply that to knowing people ?
Nobody can observe without bias, not even an infant. We're born biased, even psychopaths hide their victims.
@@jrb_sland5066 this makes sense.
All I know is in my personal experience, as I've gotten older, I would much rather be alone. I grew up as a social animal but never found it stimulating at any level. For good or bad now I just sit around ALONE doing my thing and I'm much happier. Never found that person that wants to think about things like I do.
Relatable
Thank you , all these deep thinkers claiming loneliness need to continue their journey and think their way into what makes them truly happy and then think their way into that existence.
If we are "social animals" and no other animal is that, why do you think we are animals anyway?
You could say "science", but there are many inconsistencies and flaws in the human evolution theory.
@@Nature_Consciousness Your taking the word "animal" out of context. I never said the human race is animals. I am talking about being out doing the party thing. While fun, it was never stimulating.
@@TLSARTWORK I am the contrary, I was isolated during almost my whole life, and I am craving for socializing and connections.
Luckily I went to college 2 days ago and I actually felt that class was worth it.
There were many people who were actually interested in philosophy (the professor asked them), one even talked about existentialism.
Try to see value in people, they will aways know something we dont and we can learn a lot with them, strive for connections, use humor, be fun and use the philosophy in a way that will take their attention.
I suppose the "majority" needs to have people around, therefore become lonely. I was never really alone until my 50s, and I'm just basking in it now. What a relief!
The more people spend deep thinking, the more they remove themselves from the conditioning and narratives that the majority of people are still part of. It’s hard to relate back to people the further you remove yourself, perhaps you’ve noticed something so ridiculous about one of the arguments for behavior and you can’t un know it - it would seem silly and obnoxious even to be pulled back into that as a role in order to fit in with your friends, family, or society.
Yes, i agree 100%👏👏👏
And then you form a cult of one till you find like minded people to build that cult. There is a narrative in play but it’s responsible to expose it and suffer the slings and arrows from those unwilling to admit it exists. Narcissism isn’t on the rise as it’s a fairly fixed quality in people but the expression of what was formerly silent has become much easier with social media where one’s bigotry can proliferate within comments from like minded people. Removing oneself simply splinters society which is a narrative in active play due to divide and conquer tactics in governments which populist leaders exploit through single issue politics to fool isolated “thinkers” into simplistic voting. A dumb pseudo intellectual thinker may be the worst thing society has to suffer.
So what changes after the realization ? If you continue in the same ways, nothing really has transformed.
@@conversationcorner1837 what exactly do you think Jordan is doing ? His ability to think critically and deeply has allowed himself to stand out and help others. How many others do the same? I’m sorry if you can’t relate to that or haven’t found that groove, but if you resonate at all with the concept , have faith that you will. Not all deep thinkers will be like Jordan, but they are ALL necessary for the advancement of the human race.
@@conversationcorner1837 how about compassion towards others? How about seeing the structures that make up our society and their strong and weak points? How about learning everything you can about why others behave in a certain way, so you can relate better and help lead to a better future? The list could go on and on and on. There is ALWAYS good to any situation, what’s difficult is waiting to understand what that good is. And how to apply it to your purpose.
I became a deep thinker a couple years ago after an ego death (caused by the infidelity of an ex-partner) and life has been a lot more lonely since then.
I'm constantly monitoring every thought and move I do, with the reasons or consequences behind them, and I feel that constant chatter in my mind has made 'living the present moment' much more challenging; something that is essential for communicating with other people.
I’ve been experiencing the same thing since my ego death. It’s terrible
@@matthewlee1158 it's rough man, I feel your pain
I relate to this so much, I haven't been the same since...
You can train yourself to stop chasing the brains chatter with meditation, theres peace beyond thoughts.
You need to do a good mushroom trip with a good friend. It’ll fix you right up I promise!
By my experience, the smarter you get, the loneliness appear because we start to become more exigent with what we really like to discuss, smart people don't like to talk about foolish people, or what happened to someone else, but ideas, projects, the perspective of some topic we choise to discuss is more important than anything else that ain't gonna change our lives.
for a self-identified "smart person" you sure talk about yourself a lot
Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
Ecclesiastes 12:12 And by these, my son, be further warned: There is no end to the making of many books, and much study wearies the body.
An absence of distractions focuses thought (and can lead to things people end up calling "deep thinking"). In the video it was mentioned that thinking deeply can be a cause of isolation and I think that can be true, but to me the bigger factor is just how many distractions prevent you from deep thought on a topic.
I have friends who enjoy extremely simple videogames because they have relationships and kids and schedule activities almost 24/7 so they just don't have the time to dedicate to really deep intricate games like the kind I'm into (and I'm able to enjoy those games because I have tons of free time; in part because I've deliberately designed my life to have that free time).
I do think Peterson also makes a good point that if you can take that deep knowledge (that you probably got from being more isolated) and make it accessible to those who _are_ distracted, then they'll love you for it because they get to have everything (the distractions _and_ the deep knowledge).
For me at least, it seems like the deep thinking itself ends up being the distraction I look for. I easily get caught up in whether or not life matters - instead of just living my life to give it meaning.
At the same time, if I let my brain ignore the deep questions, I wouldn't understand other people at all and I'd be as blind as the average person. If I never thought about all the death and dustruction in history, by chance I would automatically carry out the same evil without even thinking about it.
Consciousness is one hell of a drug lmao.
@@ooSHINIES well said. I am quite similar. I find it important to think deeply, about everything. Both the horrendous, and the wonderful.
You still may not be able to connect with everyone, as everyone is wired differently, but it makes you a better person; you learn to relate and empathise, even if you've never experience what they have experienced.
I don't know if this is a good thing, but I leaarn from observing other peoples mistakes. I am horribly unobservant with material things and places, but very observant regarding people, interactions and body language. People are interesting.
No bitches?
I agree with everything...except the video game part. I have never enjoyed "complicated" video games. Gimme a Mario side scroller and just let me have fun. Games that take a lot of studying and constant dedicated time have never been of interest to me. If I have to deal with items and menus I'm out. Problem solving games like Inside are my favourite, but I have no interest in big open world RPG's or whatever.
I too have a ton of time to think, which I think is both a gift and a curse. It's a great feeling when you find and answer to a riddle you've been working on for years, but you can come to understandings that your peers don't because they don't have the time to put in the thought like you can so it's hard to be on the save wavelength as them, which can create so much separation that even when you are with them, you aren't. Many have the capacity to arrive at the same levels of thought, so it's not like I'm any smarter than they are, but they don't have the time so it's increasingly harder to relate to them as our thought processes increasingly diverge.
Deep thinking led me to become easily annoyed with stupid people. I developed a habit of micro-aggressions towards them which needed to stop. I'm pleased to say that my aggressions are now normal sized.
Yeah well that's fair enough. They are idiots though and therefore should be treated with contempt.
lucky you ...mine are really gigantc and walk me around on a leash!
ME TOOOOO!!!! Thank you for saying that. I become so easily annoyed at other people lately as well!!!! And I am studying to be a social worker, so it’s actually a big problem that I need to work on.
if you get satisfaction from causing violence then you haven't thought deep enough
I imagine being a deep thinker is quite lonely.
In that deep thinkers might come to the realisation quicker than others that we are indeed all alone.
But having said that, we arent always alone in life. That is entirely up to us in the quality of friends we keep.
I would agree it is lonely but I’m starting to believe it definitely is a choice.A phase for growth and wisdom.Do as what you may with that moving on.
@@damian4727 it is a choice because most prefer it... LOL. Only deal with the external as much as needed.
"we are indeed all alone" Are you saying there is no God or no aliens?
@@scintillam_dei it is fair to assume that through lack of physical evidence of both is to live the best way we can anyway right?
@@ANNAKKi God is proven by the fact that even atheists recognize intelligent design is the only rational explanation for order, since you expect me to believe you exist when I haven't seen you, and could have explained your appearing-to-exist as due to a cat walking on a keyboard. But aliens have no good reason going for them. Space therefore aliens is a NON SEQVITVR like rainbows therefore leprechauns. "best" is subjective. God will judge by his standard, not mankind's cherrypicked opinionated ethics system.