Historical Accuracy of Moonshining in Red Dead Online
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2020
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So how historically accurate is the Moonshining Role in RDO? Well, to uncover this answer I've dug into several newspaper archives from the 1800s, in particular the Library of Congress' online archive.
Topics covered include: The 1862 Revenue Act; Avoiding taxes leads to moonshine boom; 1897 Bottle-in-Bond Act; The dangers of moonshining; Exploding distilleries; Still raids; Historical inaccuracies of RDO's moonshining role; Ways to improve the current RDO moonshining role.
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For the past decade I've been history professor at the college level. The knowledge and skills I acquired through my educational journey and profession are put to work in the creation of these videos, allowing me to locate rare primary source materials, analyze them carefully, and coherently deliver the content in an entertaining and educational manner. For each one I conduct an immense amount of research, scouring American and British archives, books, and scholarly journal articles. Gratefully, my profession also grants me access to a network of historical experts & specialists including authors, university professors, and museum curators. I hope you enjoy the end result!
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Man vs. History : Rockstar is charging us 1,250% more
Me drunk on moonshine fighting my grandmother : ROCKSTAR IS CHARGING US 1,250% MORE!!!
^That's funny stuff right there. This needs to be at the top of the comment section.
Don't fight your grandma, bro.
Grandma, also drunk: dis iznt roookstr! Diz iz rel lyfff!
These videos are so high quality for a channel with less than 5k subs.
Thank you Peep, mighty kind words!
So true
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
Now he has lots more subs and the quality is still top-notch!
Damn 1 year later he have 45k. Well deserved
Me: Cool historically accurate cowboy sim
MvH: ✋🏻 Well actually
Ha! I should say that I still love the game and appreciate the insane amount of work put into it. There's still a lot of ways to improve it, so I hope R* sticks with it. Until then, it's just fun to dive into the historical accuracy and learn a bit in the process.
@@ManvsHistory Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be the case. Rockstar's decided to port GTA V to the PS5 and Xbox Series X instead of updating RDR2.
@@Rogue_Nine416 they're looking to milk it for as long as they can, ridiculous really.
@@Rogue_Nine416 different teams
@@PhsykoOmen different teams,yes but still the same developer/publisher.
I swear I've learned more from this man than in my last history class, love the content bro!
Thanks Sigurd! Much obliged!
Swear bro you are on to something
I like how the shack plans say “No Customers in Prep Area” but they literally have to walk through it to get into the bar...lol.
prep area is behind the counter, in the distillery
Reference to the "raid a competitor" mission: The Hatfield-McCoy feud really started and continued over the sales territory between two moonshining factions
Loved it! It would be cool to explore the Trader Role or the Collector Role. Seeing as how lucrative the rewards are in game. Obviously the money earned is exaggerated. It would be cool to learn about famous Traders and Collectors of the West. Anyways, excellent video. Keep up the great content.
Thanks Chewie! Appreciate the ideas and the support!
Man vs. History uh ohhhh, he’s only on this episode because where ever you’re hiding in the woods, you’re making boat loads of Moonshine 💀🤣 also try not to fight your grandma after a few sips 😪
@@ManvsHistory Where can i get that article or a history where people built a bicycle with a mounted gun. I feel like R* censored that.
@@vedrannikolic4278 The video was pulled, but I'll be putting it back up at some point. Here's a link to an article on it though...
www.theengineer.co.uk/february-1896-the-gun-bike/
@@ManvsHistory Thanks... i really hope they don't implement this.
Haven't seen it already liked it
Ikr
Same
If you like it, Octavian would probably dislike it
Same
The people that got blinded by Moonshine might have created Wood Alcohol by mistake, as it is very toxic and can cause blindness.
This is a result of over Distiling alcohol from Ethanol (Normal Drinking Alcohol) to Methanol (Wood Alcohol) this was probably why most of those affected were the Moonshiners themselves as very few would want to sell poison to their customers as you want them to be alive for a continous income.
Never happen, Rockstar is too busy still playing around with a 7 year old GTA 5 online portion of the game instead of updating a game that isn’t even 2 years old yet.
They don't care how old it is, just how much cash it brings in, which in rdo case is pathetically low
@@Dankmemeslover69 thats because its easy to make money in red dead online even when rockstar nerfed the animals in many ways (cougar spawns and pelt worth ect) so since people make money in the game they dont need to buy gold bars, maybe if your a beginning but if your a veteran on day 1 like me then you most likely have over 60k and 300 gold bars and nothing to buy in the game at the moment, which basically means IF ROCKSTAR DOES NOT SEE MONEY IN THE GAME ITS WORTHLESS TO THEM AND THEY LEFT THE GAME IN A BROKEN STATE AS IF THE GAME WAS AN ABANDON UNDERWATER CITY. gta on the otherhand they got some jimmy neutrons to work on how to fuck the job payout and over price things so people other glitch the boil glitch or whatever the fuck its called or they buy shark cards.
I made 21 million from that Lester glitch and ill never spend another buck on that game. If r* wants us GTA glitchers irl money they better up the rdo content.
Ong
@@FreeAimDog the casino heist DLC for gta and the moonshine business in RDR, came out at the same time. that says to me that Rockstar is working on big updates for both games, but since millions of people would rather fly MK2s and drive supercars and fire explosive sniper rounds with thermal goggles....GTA seems to be the money maker. so my point is...it isnt Rockstars fault that Red Dead isnt as popular as GTA...it is the culture of the times. Faster, Louder, more booms and quicker mass murders. Red Dead is juuuuuust a bit more of a Niche game than GTA. Amazingly beautiful, hilarious at times (go get drunk in the moonshine shack and then fk around in there....if you havent seen what i mean, you will, and you will laugh hysterically. Especially if you smoke a joint first...or an equivalent 😉)
Guys this channel is so underrated we have to do something about it and just expose it to all rdr2 players
Awesome compliment, Ali! Really appreciate that, man. Super motivating. Share to your heart's content, my friend!
Man vs. History anytime brother a man like you sharing awesome content and knowledge about history deserves good I’ll be sharing your videos with my friends and on my social media. Keep it up brotha
I'm a simple man.
I like videos like these. That's it.
Great one as always! Have you thought about making a video on the different factions in the game? How accurate were the O'Driscolls or Del Lobo or the mountain cannibals? Or the wolf man in the cave, stuff like that.
You definitely deserve more subs man
Thanks for the ideas, Sadare! Appreciate the support!
My great grandfather was moonshiner during the mid 1900s, until the 1980's down here in latin-america. It's still a pretty common practice on the country-side.
my great uncle is a moonshiner too, damn fine cachaça
hey, I was right, thought it was moonshine on the community post, great video, my suggestion for the next one is the trading role, where you give cripps a carcass or pelt, he breaks it down and exports it to buyers for the price of 100 goods being about 600 dollars, thanks again, also will be joining your patron. Nice ending as well😁
Appreciate the ideas and the support, man. Excited to up the quality moving forward!
@@ManvsHistory Your video's are extremely high quality anyways. Having some better recording system would be great..
I feel like RDR Online is full of these missed opportunities (maybe they are on purpose so they can add them as a DLC or rockstar just didnt know) and its such a shame. In my 250 hours of playing RDR Online my camp got raided only once! I do hope rockstar does expand these roles. Suggestions you made here for the moonshiner role sound fun!
@Jack Scott I've been attacked probably around 5 times or so. Basically you get an alert that your camp is being raided and to high tail it back. When you arrive you'll see some guys sneaking up trying to grab pelts and run off. Nothing amazing, but it's fun. I didn't really say it in the video (in hindsight I wish I had), but the moonshiner role needs to have paranoia as it's central identity. Historically these operations were attacked by rival moonshiners, law enforcement, and even WTCU ladies. You had to constantly be on guard. If your still was discovered you had to pick up and move the entire operation. Plus, if you decided to deliver it you had to take all sorts of precautions to hide it. I don't feel any of that in the role.
Doesn’t lowering your flag increase the chances of getting raided or does that seemingly really not matter regardless?
@@ManvsHistory oh my god they really need to give you a job at rockstar because your ideas are so well thought out and would make the game feel so rich. I agree with you on that very much as well, I thought moonshining would feel a lot more shady and touch on the outlaw side of the game. but i just go to the shack, pay the start up cost and deliver it with no consequences. their roles have to interact more with the world instead of being so mission/timer based
One of these days your videos are going to take off. It's incredible how much effort you put into these short 10 to 15 minute videos, keep at it! I can't wait to see more.
Appreciate you noticing, Ghettly! That's also the downside... the research takes so long that I can't get more than one video out per week. Really appreciate the support though, man!
Just discovered this channel today and have already binged all the videos, i need more
Ha! Awesome, Sean! Unfortunately the archival research portion takes so long that I can't churn out more than a video per week. But things will hum along faster as I learn the ropes and get more into the routine. Anyway, glad you're enjoying the vids, buddy!
@@ManvsHistory i can understand that, for each video you must have to go through pages and pages of news articles and other things just to get the needed info. Its like making a presentation, its impossible to get it donne in a couple days, honestly i think your doing a great job on a video per week.
@@ManvsHistory i can understand that, for each video you must have to go through pages and pages of news articles and other things just to get the needed info. Its like making a presentation, its impossible to get it donne in a couple days, honestly i think your doing a great job on a video per week.
@@someguycalledsean9873 Much obliged!
This channel is a gem. Great work!
It truly is
This channel is quickly becoming one of my absolute favorites! Nice banjo playing, Uncle would be proud!
Thanks Moonsun! Appreciate it!
I don't understand how you don't have millions of subscribers, you put so much effort into your videos and they're so amazing. Keep up the great work brother
That's a superb compliment, Mr. Cal. Truly appreciate it, brother. We'll get there.
Congrats on the video man! Excelent content as always!
Nice video man!!!
Another awesome video! The idea about raids on your camp and creative ways to hide goods sounds like a lot of fun.
I love your videos please make more. I binge watched them all lol
This quality of work deserves more subscribers, Awesome work!!
Great video! As always 😄
Just found you’re channel and legit the best thing ever. Love your room I film in
Thanks buddy!
I'm telling you, perfesser, these videos of yours are some of the most fun history lessons I've seen in awhile. I've long been a student of history, but you routinely inspire me to reinvestigate this particular period. Thanks, and keep the lessons coming.
Will do, thank you, Tim! Your comments are super motivating, my friend!
Another great video, highly informative and detailed. Great job!!! 🤘👏👏👏👏
Thanks Bruno!
With content this good, if this channel doesn’t blow up then I’ve lost faith in humanity
Now this is a super motivating comment. Thanks Panda, appreciate it!
you have some awesome ideas to make the moonshiner role better. thanks for the video!
You bet. Thanks for subscribing!
An easy like today! Great work and that Deliverance touch was nothing short of brilliant!!
Ha! Glad you liked it! You're the first to mention it! Great flick. Could never remake it today, but man it was brilliant.
Educational and enjoyable as always. Well done.
Thanks Mark, good to see you again!
Aye, if I read "it'll make you want to fight your grandmother" that's how'd I'd know it was some good Sh*t. lmao
Excellent historical work and knowledge of the game
Really interesting video! 👍
Just discovered this channel but I can already tell it's quality 👍
Thanks Indie!
man this series is so popular you already have more views than subs in a week glad this series is becoming so popular love your content so underrated keep it up man.
Really appreciate that, man! Super motivating!
Found your channel already love it
Thanks YoMo!
I love these videos dude, keep up the awesome content. Just watched your role video and loved it
Really appreciate that, thank you Matt!
nother thing I forgot to mention is make your videos 10 min or longer, it could be 10:01 long as long its over 10min, gets you video recommended more because apparently having a 1min video would have the same recommendation of a 9 min video, not sure exactly why but if you really want to extend a video, you could put bloopers or just a black screen. Liking the vids
Appreciate the tip, I will be sure to do so!
@@ManvsHistory You got it bro.
My grandfather had a scar where he had been shot by "revenuers" while running shying in southeastern mo.
1:10 - The irony is, not too long later during Prohibition, the American government decided to fight illegal consumption of alcohol that was not rated or meant for human consumption by having "additives" put into the alcohol. Starting in 1926, the U.S. government started mandating that alcohol that was being produced, but not the same amount that was allowed for human consumption, was to have ether, acetone, methyl alcohol (wood alcohol) and other harmful chemicals added to it in order to stop people from drinking it. Only... that didn't happen. During New Years Day 1927 at New York's Bellevue Hospital alone, 41 people were killed by such tainted spirits. It's unclear how many died specifically from the additives, but the estimates go to over 10,000 at the highest.
This man is soo underrated. He needs more subscribers!!
Thanks buddy, mighty kind of you!
How many moonshiners got trapped in black screens when they tried to sell their products, must have been many.
Happened all the time in history. They'd just black out and enter a coma.
@@ManvsHistory Errr... I guess that counts.
More great suggestions!
I love history and rdr so keep up the good work 😍😍💙
I love your channel man
Thanks T-Rex!
Fascinating as always!! 👏🏻
Thanks so much for your Patreon pledge, Ashley! You're awesome!
@@ManvsHistory I absolutely LOVE your content and was so happy to be able to support you in another way!! Can't wait to see your channel grow and develop. 😁❤️
Thank you for making my request a reality. I'm glad I live in a place where I can buy all the moonshine and fireworks I want all year round. I hope your patreon does really well man I'll keep watching and upvoting your videos aslong as you keep making them. Have a blessed day.
Thanks Ian, really appreciate you providing so much support! Very cool.
Great video
You should do a video on the accuracy of the military in rdo ie the fact they aren't using the krag like they should be
The bolt-action rifle is based on the Krag though. I know some of them use repeaters, but they do use the Krag as well.
@@antthomas7916 a couple army guys on the final train level use krags, but all the the fort wallace soldiers wrongly use lever rifles
Great video,something that would be cool is if you talked about historically accurate roles that could be added to the game and how.
Love the idea.
"Lips that touch liquor shall not touch ours."
"Deal."
Good man
Really enjoyed the video, and learned a bit about Moonshining. I've have been playing Red Dead Redemption 2 for almost a year now, and I have always been hoping Rockstar would fix a few things such as giving us straight gunbelts! Also really liked your banjo playing. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, Simmons! Appreciate you subscribing as well!
I've been playing since last August, almost a year damn
HaHa! From Kentuck... we have a stock of appleshine on our boat... don't tell R☆!
The first area they messed up on is was allowing you to only buy one still house, with that said they want you to buy the one in lagras.
I dig all the comparisons to how things really were back then. Big reason I feature your stuff on our channel.
You are a good man, my friend. Really appreciate the Patreon pledge! Thank you! We're gonna grow this thing.
Man I would love for you to create an economy/price mod for the game. Putting every item in their rightful 1899 price.
Hear that, Rockstar? You need me.
Great vid
You helped shed some light for me, on The Moonshiner role in Red Dead.
I'm getting to that point of upgrades but, only for my still for now.
I've been pondering the thought of the bar but didn't see much point in it now. ...the still is all that matters...
I think to this day, certain people have a huge disdain for government, sticking it's nose in everyone's buisness. And that fuels individuals to continue to 'enterprise by moonlight'.
As always, your vids are informative and fun to learn by.
Love the fact that a professor plays the same game as a bunch of us do, for the simple reasons of the time period, some historical accuracy and it's just plain fun.
Thanks and 'Keep' em coming!'
...yup, sticking with the liquor...😂
Thanks Mack! Glad you enjoyed the vid!
I don't know if you can see it online but under the general store in strawberry there is a hidden moonshine operation that you can actually rob in story mode after looking through the basement window
Man I just wish they would make more content just so I could see more of these videos! Looking foward to all of it!
Thanks Giorno!
Haha he called you Giorno (not a bad thing)
It's really annoying that you have such a cool channel, but only some people has watched your content!
You make really cool videos, keep going👍🤠
Thanks buddy! With a name like that you have got to be Danish.
@@ManvsHistory You're absolutely right😄
Oh, and thank you too!
@@mikkeljuliusnormannjensenn3386 No, thank you. Appreciate you watching the vids!
Can we get some more if you playing the banjo? That's awesome!
Lots of good ideas to build on the moonshiner role!
Sick video keep it up
Thanks buddy!
I’m trying so hard right now not to throw so much angry words at the IRS right now
I was thinking about the fences in the main game. I’d never heard the term before playing rdr2. Don’t know what historical info is out there is on this criminal profession, but that might make an interesting video. Were there actual horse and wagon fences? How did it actually work? You could also tie in horse and cattle rustling. Looking forward to your future videos!
Yeah I actually never knew about them
I like this
I can't answer your questions about fences in the past, but I can say that there are modern day fences for stolen goods but less and less as time goes on.
Idk when the term came about, but it was used in the 1950's.
There was a female fence in NYC in the 1870's(?) I believe she did get caught, briefly, got away with most of the cash too.
im watching your back catalogue since i only just found you. loving every thing i hear and see. it brings more life to my love of the game. what about the horses and the tack making a good subject. totally a missed opportunity for rockstar with all the wild horses out there waiting to be caught tamed and sold.
Horse video was released but pulled a while back. I'll be reposting it this week, so stay tuned, Keith!
Moonshining started after the Whiskey Act of 1791 and the Whiskey Rebellion of 1791-1794. All the Act passed by Lincoln did was adjust the tax rate that had already existed on whiskey.
Something to remember is even today a good lump (25%) of alcohol consumed is "illict", thought that can mean anything from rock gut moonshine to smuggled fine wine, or defying religious based prohibitions.
One thing about a moonshine still explosion, unless we are talking a truly exceptional operation, the still would be FAR smaller than a commercial operation.
Agreed. It's plausible that moonshiner still explosions were minimal, or even somehow avoided, as (like I said) I couldn't find a single recorded instance from 1880-1905- the years I searched the archives.
bro i live in calhoun in gordon county. pretty cool seeing this on a video.
6:52 better known as the See You Next Tuesdays
Nice vid
5k subs? Your channel is skyrocketing.
Thanks buddy!
That banjo reference killed me 😂
You have to play more banjo in another video. I love the banjo
Do a video on historical accuracy of gun prices and availability of some foreign guns please would be awesome.
R* should employ you as a researcher or in a think tank of they have one. Great vid brother 👍
I'd dig it. Higher ed is headed down a bad path, so I'd be down. Thanks for watching, Legend!
Rockstar needs to listen to your ideas man wow
Please start and end all your videos with you playing the banjo as a intro n outro that would be amazing
Deliverance, great film. Duelling Banjos is so iconic of the time.
Glad I'm not the only one who got that reference
I only recently discovered you can get through the checkpoints. I never thought it would work because of how blatantly on display the jugs are in the wagon.
Realy good Viedo 👌
See, my ancestors sibling did the moonshine business in 1861, there were into it and in my family until 1927 when the Mafia "purchased" our still, and we had not touched the stuff since. :)
But our shine was of fiddleheads, potatoes, pepper, yeast, salt, herbs, Tabasco.
Hell of a mix. Sadly my great great grandmother took the mix amounts with her to her grave in 2016.
God he is best than my history teacher like he doesn’t do no clickbait gets down to details and still has fun big fan
Thank you, Conman! Much obliged!
@@ManvsHistory no problem do u wanna be friends
@@connorsoutdoors7339 Sure!
@@ManvsHistory yes
Now I wanna see you play those ukulele songs that dude up in butchers creek is usually playing.
PS: If you deliver moonshine and you see revenue agents blocking the road, you can just drive on through. If you come close, they will tell you to get move on and dont shoot on sight (at least in the times where I have tried it). Saves some time on the delivery
Yeah, I wish they would stop and inspect you though! The most realistic thing they could add to the role would be constant paranoia.
@@ManvsHistory Yea, another good idea you have. Wonder what you could turn RDO into if you worked for Rockstar lol
@@snekans554 Small but powerful changes!
I could listen to you and Steve Rinella shoot the shit all day
I like the moonshiner role because it's a relatively simple, guaranteed way to make money, but especially because I come from a family of moonshiners (though more post-Prohibition days than 1890s). I do wish Rockstar would do more with the role. I bought the bar size upgrades specifically because I thought it would allow me to make some money from customers, but of course Rockstar would never allow us to make money that easily.
Yeah that's the big downsize of making a game that uses real money. They have to keep nerfing anything that's too profitable. Turns things into a grind, imo.
Do you think you could make a video on the accuracy of portraits in Red Dead Online? Both self, and posse portraits
Nice banjo skills
Funny story about the blindness: that came from people badly cooking it, meaning that none of the methanol (non drinkable alcohol) which could cause blindness
Holy shit all your recommendations for the moonshine shack are great but sadly I doubt rockstar will ever implement them. Although I hope they prove me wrong. Especially with bribing the revenue agents. I've been wanting that feature for a while now.
The improvements that you suggest in this video are so easy to implement.
Take what you already have and expand on it. There are already revenue agent checkpoints, introduce a bribe system and have them wave us through... Literally a week of a job at most for rockstar.
When we pay to have a bar in our moonshine shack, send $25 to our post office to collect each day as our share of the profits.
It’s so sad that rockstar waste their time on stupid shit like the naturalist role, and an extra 10 ranks of bounty Hunter rewards...
WE STILL DONT HAVE A COWBOY ROLE ON A WILD WEST GAME!
It’s ridiculous
6:10 *I'm gonna make you squeal like a pig boah,* I love that movie
Interesting video. Out of curiosity, have you watched Hell on Wheels?
Of course! Love it!
Love the shine
IDEA : Gun Price's I think it would be pretty cool to see the real Price's. Good vids
Just to give you a base the Mauser Pistol IRL costed 30 dollars, now make this 1667% higher than you have the in game price