For sisters, you could have chosen Novitiates. Still trained, but not in power armor. Hits on 4s, 4+ save, T3 , and 1 wound a pop and they are 85 points. Arcos do win lore wise, but right now they are much more valuable than Repentia and novitiates in game.
I'm just pinning this one because it seems to be the popular comment of the Novitiates bunch. I'm gonna be real with you, I forgot them entirely while doing the final picks. They absolutely were the pick. Solid A/A-
@@thepoorhammerpodcasti’ll actually come to Brad’s defense here. Although Novitiates is the correct choice in the tabletop, lore wise Arco-Flagellants still take the win. They are heretics whose fate is an act of punishment, so not only are they expendable, it is a genuine benefit for the Sisters that they perish in combat. Great episode regardless!
Gretchin got robbed. They're A+ material. This is that situation where the teacher got stuck in a rut looking at other assignments, and forgot it was the "Cannon Fodder" episode, not the "Guardsmen Equivalent" episode.
I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE
I keep hearing this sentiment buy not why. Like defensively let's compare them to 3 other units, battle sisters, basic space marine and imperial guard infantry. Lore wise, they are worse then space marines, better then guard and I'm not sure how they compare to sisters, but I would think skitarii are more disposable then sisters. The stats line up with that, so what do you want?
The issue for me is that I got into Admech because they’re the tech guys with fancy equipment and big vehicles. However our shooting is bad and our vehicles aren’t anything to write home about. So being pushed into playing as a horde isn’t why I got into the army and it makes me frustrated.
Combat servitors and Tech-Thralls already exist, Tech-Thralls even have current models (in FW resin). They're just random people who get scooped up, butchered, lobotomized, and have a single-shot lasgun grafted on to their body.
I, Cato Sicarius, know that the Astra Militarum are more than just ‘Cannon Fodder’. They also make good meals, if what I, Cato Sicarius, read in the nutrition facts on Corpse Starch is true.
I feel like playing down the Fall of Cadia to "they just renamed the next planet over" is overlooking the whole "GIANT WARP STORM THAT SPLIT THE GALAXY IN HALF" a tad.
@@kyle857 Sure he'll fix it, yeah that's going to happen. Then he'll kill Abaddon all by himself and surpass the Necrons in technology and close every warp rift ever and revive the Emperor and then bring back all the primarchs.
So I’d argue SM Scouts should get a better grade than Custodes’ Sisters of silence. From a lore perspective it’s probably waaaaaaay easier to find a SM candidate and train them up to a Scout than it is to find a blank (a female blank specifically) and bring them to Tera to then train them to be a sister of silence.
While I agree, I have to argue that Sisters of Silence should have been a fail. They're not cannon fodder at all and only seem like it when compared to the rest of the Custodes army.
@@chrisgregory3955 tbf SoS are treated like trash by GW in game. Even in lore they only really exist to be anti psyker wards and fold immediately against any of the elite threats they're supposed to stand up to in actual battle.
I wanna say that: as a person who graded college students for a few years: grades were influenced by how tired I was, how many drinks I had, when my deadlines were, and very importantly: how legible was your answer? These factors generally only worked in students favor though. I once gave full marks to a kid that wrote "MOON GRAVITY MAKES TIDES" next to a drawing of the earth and moon.
So the Terminator thing is a good idea, but I'd be far more interested in "Every factions' cheapest way to TAKE OUT a block of terminators" - that's right, every factions' best (cheapest) Terminator terminators
Yeah, I like this vein of thought. Less "here's every factions version of this unit" and more "here's every factions unit that does "Thing" the best." Like each faction's best Melee Blender, or each factions best "Bucket O' Dice" unit.
27:53 Actually no. Guardian Defenders are the equivalent of the National Guard. The only actual standing military are the aspect temples. The only reason they have better statlines over a baseline human is that, even if a human trained all their life to be the best guardsman, an Eldar with no training is still a better fighter by default. They’re just that fast/controlled/precise naturally.
And they psychically interface with their guns. They can fire the weapon or eject spent magazines with a thought - makes it easier to concentrate on aiming.
There's a difference between human national guard where someone might have bootcamp training and refresher training once yearly the next 30 years vs bootcamp training and 300+ years of refresher training before you're considered combat-capable
“They’re not that good”- my 20 man Krieg squad with a 5+ FNP, Necron level regeneration, and six special weapons that can hit on 2s would like a word 😂
@@collecter343 Pariah is something different, it involves Necron stuff, but it's like a type of Blank. If a blank is empty presence in the warp, a pariah is negative presence. Not well defined, gets retconned every 3 editions, especially since they took that unit away from the Necrons.
@@cyborgspaceman @collecter343 Pariah is literally a word meaning outcast and psychic blanks have been referred to as all three. The Horus Heresy describes Sisters of Silence as having the Pariah gene. I've read most of the Warhammer 40K fiction and Codexes since Rogue Trader and I've seen all three used. Necron Pariah's were a Necron/Human Pariah hybrid unit that were dropped - likely because of the complicated lore/narrative issues they may have presented and because you want to retain distinction between your brands. And probably because since they occur at a trillion to one ratio to normal humans, Trayzyn was the only person capable enough to find the required human specimens and he got fed up of filling pick requests all day and quit his job at Necrozon.
GSC and Termagants are both S, because not only are they the quintessential cannon fodder, both in lore and statline. GSC are very Guard, and Termagants are infinite in-lore. In addition, both regenerate models/units in-game, so they are actually *better* cannon-fodder than Guardsmen.
GSC have a strat that if a character would loose a wound it can be allocated to a unit within 3" so they basically throw themselves in haems way.... Its called unquestionable loyalty
@@masterworklongswordAnd Gargoyles are increasingly literal, hurling themselves into the guns on Tyran to prevent them from firing! If Nids do one thing right, it's cannon fodder.
At last, my army gets to shine! For what it's worth, I think that the Cadians are even better cannon fodder than other Guard infantry: their ability means that you don't even need to care enough to keep them alive to hold the point. (Also, New Cadia doesn't really negate the Chaos W. Even if the diaspora survived, they aren't actually serving the actual purpose of Old Cadia, just a little home for the refugees from the disaster. That chokepoint is well and truly ripped open by Gork's Grin.)
@kingofdragons117 and @ThatGuy-bh9qh I was referring to who is best at being cannon fodder, as with the topic of the video,, not who is the best unit in general. I think all of the Guard infantry have their advantages, though Krieg and basic Infantry are probably the best standard line infantry overall.
Cadians are so good at holding the line that the line can stay held for a bit even after all your Cadians are dead. Krieg aren't durable but they're "tarpit durable." Basically anything can kill them, but if you don't kill ~19 of them in a single round then they get 1d3 back.
@9:45 Null or Blank are used interchangably at lot in the lore anyway, no sweat. Typically, when they try to codify it in some sources Nulls are Negative Psychic presence and actively harm Psykers and blanks just dont have a psychic presence. Its 0 vs-1 on a scale. Necrons are Blank while Culuxus assassins are Nulls. One does not interact with/can't be mentally corrupted by the warp and the other actively shunts it. Visiably the biggest difference is if you use warp powers to make a lightening bolt it will probably still kill a blank because you used warp energy to create a physical object but a Null would prevent you from ever summoning the power to begin with while they are both immune to the mental damage or effects because they don't have souls to hear the whispers of the warp in the first place. I say this but the writers are kinda inconsistent between which name means which and often people use the terms interchangably, partly because the writers don't know the difference and partly because in setting its not likely that most characters would ever know the difference either so... it kinda makes sense people get confused.
Out of lore it should just be the same rating system for Psykers. Alpha null/blank Beta null/blank Names should be interchangeable but with a prefix to note strength So even if they mix up the names you can probably figure out the level with context.
I actually give my Tzaangors the chainsword and pistol option only because I think it actually looks cooler and helps distinguish them a bit from my daemons.
My only complaint with Poorhammer is that i have to listen to the podcast version for more 'real' and uncut versions, and watch the video versions for the visual jokes! Love the show guys! Thanks for making it!
This is a very Brad-coded episode, because it lets him relentlessly make fun of Space Marines for not having a good unit for the assignment, he gets to pick a Tzeentch daemon as the pick for Chaos Daemons, _and_ he gets an excuse to rank Tzaangors very highly. There's also a great moment where he makes a joke about how Poxwalkers may have _been_ a Guard at one point, and then scolds Eric for making the exact same joke with Flayed Ones later because it's not funny. Also for some reason Eric popping back in to shill merch during the outro, to the point where the music and the scrolling Patreon names immediately stop until he finishes, was absolute comedy gold to me for some reason.
I'm not a master of lore, so I may be wrong, but cadia falling was more about making the eye of terror stretch across the galaxy by destroying the black pylons. My understanding is it was just a eye shaped hole and now splits the galaxy in half. So now chaos marines can enter real space at any point on a line that stretches across the entire center of the galxy.
Good to know that the Eric and Brad are Lions fans. Now I have a more engaging point to make as a Packers fan. I was also really hoping the Lions would have made it and won the Super Bowl so then we could all crap on the Vikings for not having a Lombardi yet.
Brad here, REAL TALK: I'm actually a Packers fan because I'm not a masochist and I grew up with the 90's/00's Lions. My mother is a giant Lions fan and I have always enjoyed watching her lose her mind shouting at the TV every Sunday and winning every bet we made on a Packers/Lions game every year growing up. (The Packers won young me many video games including Pokemon Yellow.) The Lions screwing it all up this year annoys me because it's the first year I've seen my mother so happy about her football obsession.
Now this is the video for me! Cannon fodder units are always my favourite, I run a guard army with 140 infantry and dream of having fodder armies for other factions, though I worry about where I am going store all those hordes!
33:24 actually that’s not true good sir! The LOV are a fairly large size, GW has directly stated that there much larger than current lore Tau (keep in mind they’ve grown a lot in lore since release). And the hearthkin in particular aren’t even full time soldiers, and are more like a militia, meaning there pretty expendable.
It would be interesting if you kept track of the grades you give each faction and then present their "report card" at the end of the episode to see which is the best at satisfying all these criteria.
Its kind of part of the appeal with guard for me, when my lil fodder do well it feels very heroic and I dont really care if they die cause I can bring them back with a strat
Imperial Guard is gigachad because your opponent has fun getting to kill tons of units and I get to enact my sci fi fantasy of commandeering hopeless hordes of soldiers to meet their demise against deadly xenos. Bonus points for being the one army that gives everyone a true sense of how terrible it is living in the 40k universe.
A good analogy for the gretchin: You were asked how many planets are in the solar system, and instead of just answering correctly you went out and found a new planet to make sure the rest of the class was wrong.
@@milliondollarmistakethe episode is cannon fodder. They are literally used as projectiles for the Big Mek with Shock attack gun you. Cant get more cannon fodder than literally being used as ammo
Technically speaking the main ammo for the shokk attack gun are actually snotlings which are a different species of orkoids which are smaller than grots @@Butternades
@@michaelrussell3890 they literally said in the video multiple times that they weren't looking for the overt swarm unit. otherwise ripper swarms would have been the pick for nids or nurglings for chaos
31:53 I’ve never heard the phrase “roadside picnic” used in this way. Is that common? It was just really trippy because I was just thinking about STALKER and felt called out.
when i play guard i always tell my opponent that "the tanks are for me to have fun, the infantry is for you to have fun" because there job is to bee smooth paste on the walls and whoever im fighting always enjoys helping them fulfill there job
Also, regarding Brad being upset that they just found a new planet and called it New Cadia, that's just how _people_ are, Brad. If you blow up my house and I get a new house, I'm just gonna call it New House. Keeping the name preserves history, it reminds you to not make the same mistake again, and it makes naming things after a tragedy _very_ easy when those people might not be feeling super creative at the moment. Saying it negates the Chaos win just because they made a new one is more than a little ignorant to narrative and storytelling.
What's even funnier about the Cadia jokes is: originally chaos didn't even outright win the 13th black crusade, they controlled the surface but orbit was all the Imperiums.
This series is about whether each faction can copy the function of a unit archetype, rather than perform well in their own way. I personally think that makes this series a bit lacklustre, but that’s their goal. So here, if you aren’t doing what guardsmen do, you aren’t earning the high grades.
@@reginlief1 Than it would just be just a lackluster stat block review channel. I already know what most of these units are supposed to be good but having a bunch of models being compared to the poster child space marines or another faction with unique specialization is more entertaining. Also, they discuss these units outside the vacuum that many other channels do like price and typically avoid meta gaming.
I have a feeling that Grey Knights wasn't present for the lesson and got "cheap squad that holds points and doesn't do all that well in combat" and their mind went to the strike squad because they are part of elite army club and it warped their perspective
Yall are absolutely devious in your commentary of academia. Almost frightening. Knocked it out of the park on your picks too I wanted to quibble on a few but ended up nodding when yall hashed it out. Great vid fellas
there's a tzeentch player that comes to my local shop and i shit you not, she always brings one unit of pink horrors and no one's actually whipped it off the board XD
First of all Hell Yeah! to barellio with the golden sun clip. Such a classic. 2nd I think Brad only says guard infantry suck because he doesn't have a local guard player to make him suffer. xD but where they truly shine is spamablitity and versatility. You can build to fight anything. You can get anti anything, light or heavy infantry, armor, anti horde. Can include indirect fire, heavy weapons for any situations, leaders and orders for any situation .
Ah yes, the classic cannon fodder: IG. Had a friend who loved his Guard, and when he went to a tournament he would take a literal bucket of infantry, dump it in his deployment zone and say "Ok I'm deployed". As guardsmen inevitably died, he just tossed them back in the bucket. And if there was a scary thing like a khorne daemon prince on the board? He just fixed bayonettes and charged in one more squad at a time until the the game was over or the problem went away. To quote the man, "You know you won when the blood blender stops." He truly understood this assignment.
The basic Guardsman are actually a pretty efficient datasheet. 10 Guardsmen trade relatively well with similar units (Gaunts, guardians etc) . With orders they are very versatile, with a wide breadth of utility.
I remember back in 5th edition when I played, Gretchin had a rule where you can throw them into a land mine to get rid of it. I don't even think land mines were a thing in 5th edition. They are the embodiment of cannon fodder.
Jakhals get an 'A' because they bullied the Tzaangors into doing their homework for them, and the 'gors ran out of time to finish their own. Jakhals? More like JOCKhals, amirite? (im so sorry)
You guys should do each faction's worst concept unit. For instance, the Grey Knight baby carrier. Yo dawg, I heard you liked dude in armor with a big gun, so I put a dude in armor in a bigger dude with armor and a big gun.
funny story about the whole "dog ate my homework" a relative had a hardboiled egg she was supposed to take care of for Home Economics class. One night, our boxer, Zeus, ate it so the next morning she had to go into school and tell the teacher that the dog literally ate her homework. parents thought that was hilarious, teacher was probably tickled about it too. We had the same Home Ec teacher, and Ms. B was cool, she probably got a good laugh out of it
For sisters, you could have chosen Novitiates.
Still trained, but not in power armor.
Hits on 4s, 4+ save, T3 , and 1 wound a pop and they are 85 points.
Arcos do win lore wise, but right now they are much more valuable than Repentia and novitiates in game.
I'm just pinning this one because it seems to be the popular comment of the Novitiates bunch. I'm gonna be real with you, I forgot them entirely while doing the final picks. They absolutely were the pick.
Solid A/A-
That was my thoughts exactly
I'm glad someone said this before me lmao
Popped down here to say this lol.
@@thepoorhammerpodcasti’ll actually come to Brad’s defense here.
Although Novitiates is the correct choice in the tabletop, lore wise Arco-Flagellants still take the win. They are heretics whose fate is an act of punishment, so not only are they expendable, it is a genuine benefit for the Sisters that they perish in combat.
Great episode regardless!
I once again ask for every faction terminator
Please get this guy some likes, this needs to happen.
@@kraftyevanby the Emperor's will, let's make this happen
I second this
Yes please 🙏
Agreed.
Gretchin got robbed. They're A+ material. This is that situation where the teacher got stuck in a rut looking at other assignments, and forgot it was the "Cannon Fodder" episode, not the "Guardsmen Equivalent" episode.
WE WUZ ROBBED!
DAYZ RACIST TO DA BOYZ
WEZ SHHOUDLA BE S TIERS
If they were comparing to guardsmen, they should have done a squad of 10 boyz. What the hell
for real "orks option fits TOO well so we have to penalize?" come the fuck on.
Orks, we need your Cannon fodder Assignment turned in.
GOTCHA BOSS
*Proceeds to put gretchin into actual cannons*
Look, warboss said to submit the cannon fodder assignment. thus, we did, I see nothing wrong here.
Was absolutely formulating an ork response on our behalf... but this is too good. Well done!
the shock attack gun truly is a vibe
Step 1: Find a gretchin
Step 2: Put the gretchin in the cannon
Step 3: Find another gretchin
that's not how the phrase works though. "cannon fodder" doesn't mean "food for our cannon", it means "SOMETHING TO FEED TO THEIR CANNON"
Tonight on Poor Gear
Brad declares war on the UK
Eric defends Grot rights
And Berilio sponsors an arms dealer
I'm so happy to see this coming over from the AdRic comments section. Hoping it gains traction.
And they dont know how pink horrors work xd
I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE I HATE ADMECH BEING A HORDE
Don’t we all
I keep hearing this sentiment buy not why.
Like defensively let's compare them to 3 other units, battle sisters, basic space marine and imperial guard infantry.
Lore wise, they are worse then space marines, better then guard and I'm not sure how they compare to sisters, but I would think skitarii are more disposable then sisters. The stats line up with that, so what do you want?
The issue for me is that I got into Admech because they’re the tech guys with fancy equipment and big vehicles. However our shooting is bad and our vehicles aren’t anything to write home about. So being pushed into playing as a horde isn’t why I got into the army and it makes me frustrated.
@@jreuben97a big problem is that they are expensive as fuck
Combat servitors and Tech-Thralls already exist, Tech-Thralls even have current models (in FW resin).
They're just random people who get scooped up, butchered, lobotomized, and have a single-shot lasgun grafted on to their body.
I, Cato Sicarius, know that the Astra Militarum are more than just ‘Cannon Fodder’.
They also make good meals, if what I, Cato Sicarius, read in the nutrition facts on Corpse Starch is true.
Holy crap it’s Cato Sicarius
@@JustinTheMid hello citizen. I, Cato Sicarius, believe the correct ancient Terran term is: “Jesus Christ, it’s Jason Bourne.”
Damn I knew he was chaos lol jk jk
@@panzermasterwalker4393 cannibalism, though a morally questionable theoretical, is a very efficient practical.
Oh my god, the real Cato Sicarius, I’m a big fan.
I feel like playing down the Fall of Cadia to "they just renamed the next planet over" is overlooking the whole "GIANT WARP STORM THAT SPLIT THE GALAXY IN HALF" a tad.
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of this rolflmao awesome meme lore!
Daddy Cawl is going to fix it.
@@kyle857 Sure he'll fix it, yeah that's going to happen. Then he'll kill Abaddon all by himself and surpass the Necrons in technology and close every warp rift ever and revive the Emperor and then bring back all the primarchs.
So I’d argue SM Scouts should get a better grade than Custodes’ Sisters of silence. From a lore perspective it’s probably waaaaaaay easier to find a SM candidate and train them up to a Scout than it is to find a blank (a female blank specifically) and bring them to Tera to then train them to be a sister of silence.
the scouts get a worse grade because scouts are just spessmen and sisters are made of wet paper
While I agree, I have to argue that Sisters of Silence should have been a fail. They're not cannon fodder at all and only seem like it when compared to the rest of the Custodes army.
@@chrisgregory3955 tbf SoS are treated like trash by GW in game. Even in lore they only really exist to be anti psyker wards and fold immediately against any of the elite threats they're supposed to stand up to in actual battle.
It also depends on the Marine faction where the scouts come from or are used. Eg space wolves or black Templar
Sisters of Silence aren't found. They're gathered from a secret planet. Probably a planet where blanks are more common
-"We are meant to be expendable, sir"!
-"Yes you are"
I wanna say that: as a person who graded college students for a few years: grades were influenced by how tired I was, how many drinks I had, when my deadlines were, and very importantly: how legible was your answer?
These factors generally only worked in students favor though. I once gave full marks to a kid that wrote "MOON GRAVITY MAKES TIDES" next to a drawing of the earth and moon.
I mean, he's not wrong? 😂
32:07 a MIKEBURNFIRE AND ZACHAZARD REFERENCE
This was extremely unexpected, but welcome none the less
A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one
I want a collab between them somehow
@@amycox7508 have zach react to 40k guns with poorhammer explaining lore. I feel like Zach would have some things to say about a bolter
Mikeburnfire jumpscare!!
Brad pretending that Krieg isn't just the Imperial Fists of the Guard is my favorite storyline.
For sisters, Novitiate squads are definitely a solid A - slightly better stats than a guardsman but they're still packing lasguns at T3 4+ W1
So the Terminator thing is a good idea, but I'd be far more interested in "Every factions' cheapest way to TAKE OUT a block of terminators" - that's right, every factions' best (cheapest) Terminator terminators
Let him cook
Yeah, I like this vein of thought. Less "here's every factions version of this unit" and more "here's every factions unit that does "Thing" the best."
Like each faction's best Melee Blender, or each factions best "Bucket O' Dice" unit.
Might I suggest "Terminator exterminators"?
27:53 Actually no. Guardian Defenders are the equivalent of the National Guard. The only actual standing military are the aspect temples. The only reason they have better statlines over a baseline human is that, even if a human trained all their life to be the best guardsman, an Eldar with no training is still a better fighter by default. They’re just that fast/controlled/precise naturally.
And they psychically interface with their guns. They can fire the weapon or eject spent magazines with a thought - makes it easier to concentrate on aiming.
There's a difference between human national guard where someone might have bootcamp training and refresher training once yearly the next 30 years vs bootcamp training and 300+ years of refresher training before you're considered combat-capable
“They’re not that good”- my 20 man Krieg squad with a 5+ FNP, Necron level regeneration, and six special weapons that can hit on 2s would like a word 😂
The lore people seem to use blank and null completely interchangeably
Pretty sure they’re the same thing. Not sure but I believe Pariah is another name for them.
And untouchable@@collecter343
Agreed. They are interchangable.
@@collecter343 Pariah is something different, it involves Necron stuff, but it's like a type of Blank. If a blank is empty presence in the warp, a pariah is negative presence. Not well defined, gets retconned every 3 editions, especially since they took that unit away from the Necrons.
@@cyborgspaceman @collecter343 Pariah is literally a word meaning outcast and psychic blanks have been referred to as all three. The Horus Heresy describes Sisters of Silence as having the Pariah gene. I've read most of the Warhammer 40K fiction and Codexes since Rogue Trader and I've seen all three used. Necron Pariah's were a Necron/Human Pariah hybrid unit that were dropped - likely because of the complicated lore/narrative issues they may have presented and because you want to retain distinction between your brands.
And probably because since they occur at a trillion to one ratio to normal humans, Trayzyn was the only person capable enough to find the required human specimens and he got fed up of filling pick requests all day and quit his job at Necrozon.
GSC and Termagants are both S, because not only are they the quintessential cannon fodder, both in lore and statline. GSC are very Guard, and Termagants are infinite in-lore. In addition, both regenerate models/units in-game, so they are actually *better* cannon-fodder than Guardsmen.
Fun fact: Termagants are made specifically to force their prey to waste all of their ammunition. They're literally fodder for cannons!
GSC have a strat that if a character would loose a wound it can be allocated to a unit within 3" so they basically throw themselves in haems way.... Its called unquestionable loyalty
@@masterworklongswordAnd Gargoyles are increasingly literal, hurling themselves into the guns on Tyran to prevent them from firing! If Nids do one thing right, it's cannon fodder.
Guard can come back
Guard comes back with Death Korps Medics and Reinforcements strategem.
Gretchin A+ or riot, they're so into the cannon fodder realm they've gone above and beyond the assignment perimeters.
space marines: the Lamenters. all of them. honourable mention to the Celestial Lions, but only against orc snipers
Any mention of Ork snipers gets a like from me.
At last, my army gets to shine! For what it's worth, I think that the Cadians are even better cannon fodder than other Guard infantry: their ability means that you don't even need to care enough to keep them alive to hold the point.
(Also, New Cadia doesn't really negate the Chaos W. Even if the diaspora survived, they aren't actually serving the actual purpose of Old Cadia, just a little home for the refugees from the disaster. That chokepoint is well and truly ripped open by Gork's Grin.)
@kingofdragons117 and @ThatGuy-bh9qh I was referring to who is best at being cannon fodder, as with the topic of the video,, not who is the best unit in general.
I think all of the Guard infantry have their advantages, though Krieg and basic Infantry are probably the best standard line infantry overall.
Cadians are so good at holding the line that the line can stay held for a bit even after all your Cadians are dead.
Krieg aren't durable but they're "tarpit durable." Basically anything can kill them, but if you don't kill ~19 of them in a single round then they get 1d3 back.
Grading Every Faction's Distraction Carnifex
it’s DISTRACTION CARNIFEX in all caps, you heretic
lurk moar
@9:45 Null or Blank are used interchangably at lot in the lore anyway, no sweat. Typically, when they try to codify it in some sources Nulls are Negative Psychic presence and actively harm Psykers and blanks just dont have a psychic presence. Its 0 vs-1 on a scale. Necrons are Blank while Culuxus assassins are Nulls. One does not interact with/can't be mentally corrupted by the warp and the other actively shunts it.
Visiably the biggest difference is if you use warp powers to make a lightening bolt it will probably still kill a blank because you used warp energy to create a physical object but a Null would prevent you from ever summoning the power to begin with while they are both immune to the mental damage or effects because they don't have souls to hear the whispers of the warp in the first place.
I say this but the writers are kinda inconsistent between which name means which and often people use the terms interchangably, partly because the writers don't know the difference and partly because in setting its not likely that most characters would ever know the difference either so... it kinda makes sense people get confused.
Out of lore it should just be the same rating system for Psykers.
Alpha null/blank
Beta null/blank
Names should be interchangeable but with a prefix to note strength
So even if they mix up the names you can probably figure out the level with context.
I actually give my Tzaangors the chainsword and pistol option only because I think it actually looks cooler and helps distinguish them a bit from my daemons.
My only complaint with Poorhammer is that i have to listen to the podcast version for more 'real' and uncut versions, and watch the video versions for the visual jokes!
Love the show guys! Thanks for making it!
You guys should do a “Book report” Episode where each Faction gives you their “Best” Book. Infinite and The Divine is the Benchmark to beat
So eldar guardians are literally civilians that have been drafted in times of crisis. They could be bakers, artists, whatever.
This is a very Brad-coded episode, because it lets him relentlessly make fun of Space Marines for not having a good unit for the assignment, he gets to pick a Tzeentch daemon as the pick for Chaos Daemons, _and_ he gets an excuse to rank Tzaangors very highly.
There's also a great moment where he makes a joke about how Poxwalkers may have _been_ a Guard at one point, and then scolds Eric for making the exact same joke with Flayed Ones later because it's not funny.
Also for some reason Eric popping back in to shill merch during the outro, to the point where the music and the scrolling Patreon names immediately stop until he finishes, was absolute comedy gold to me for some reason.
Mordian Glory actually makes Imperial Guard work super well.
The video from Winter SEO's channel where Mordian Glory brought an entirely infantry army is probably one of my favorite YT battle reports of all time
*Brad saying the fall of Cadia didnt matter as a chaos win.*
Every MFer stuck dying slowly in Nihilus: 👁️👄👁️
Honestly Grey Knights need to be folded back into the Inquisition army. That way they can have Inquisitorial Stormtroopers as cannon fodder
There's a nerd named Rob watching this. Hi Rob.
We might know the same Rob.
I usually go by 'Robert'.
Hi.
Witchcraft!
25:50 “when you’ve got an overachieving student and you need to knock ‘em up” - Brad
🤨
Warboss: *_We need kannon fodda!_*
Boy operating kannon:
As a teacher for two decades, the “you get better grades when surrounded by fuckups” is true
27:12 So drukhari is a smart kid with ADHD that is failed by the school system because they're compared to the neurotypical space marine nerds?
Oooo a mike burnfire quote in my poorhammer video. Im all for these niche crossovers!
How dare you call Mike and Zach niche.
I'm not a master of lore, so I may be wrong, but cadia falling was more about making the eye of terror stretch across the galaxy by destroying the black pylons. My understanding is it was just a eye shaped hole and now splits the galaxy in half. So now chaos marines can enter real space at any point on a line that stretches across the entire center of the galxy.
13:06 You're gonna find d6 Pipe Bombs in your PO box
Good to know that the Eric and Brad are Lions fans. Now I have a more engaging point to make as a Packers fan.
I was also really hoping the Lions would have made it and won the Super Bowl so then we could all crap on the Vikings for not having a Lombardi yet.
Brad here, REAL TALK:
I'm actually a Packers fan because I'm not a masochist and I grew up with the 90's/00's Lions. My mother is a giant Lions fan and I have always enjoyed watching her lose her mind shouting at the TV every Sunday and winning every bet we made on a Packers/Lions game every year growing up. (The Packers won young me many video games including Pokemon Yellow.) The Lions screwing it all up this year annoys me because it's the first year I've seen my mother so happy about her football obsession.
Now this is the video for me! Cannon fodder units are always my favourite, I run a guard army with 140 infantry and dream of having fodder armies for other factions, though I worry about where I am going store all those hordes!
33:24 actually that’s not true good sir! The LOV are a fairly large size, GW has directly stated that there much larger than current lore Tau (keep in mind they’ve grown a lot in lore since release).
And the hearthkin in particular aren’t even full time soldiers, and are more like a militia, meaning there pretty expendable.
It would be interesting if you kept track of the grades you give each faction and then present their "report card" at the end of the episode to see which is the best at satisfying all these criteria.
Must suck to be the "poster child of cannon fodder"
Its kind of part of the appeal with guard for me, when my lil fodder do well it feels very heroic and I dont really care if they die cause I can bring them back with a strat
Imperial Guard is gigachad because your opponent has fun getting to kill tons of units and I get to enact my sci fi fantasy of commandeering hopeless hordes of soldiers to meet their demise against deadly xenos.
Bonus points for being the one army that gives everyone a true sense of how terrible it is living in the 40k universe.
A good analogy for the gretchin: You were asked how many planets are in the solar system, and instead of just answering correctly you went out and found a new planet to make sure the rest of the class was wrong.
1:50 krieg were cool when I was getting into guard, but if I see one more wehrboo fan or shovel meme I'm gonna eat a fucking krak grenade.
The Gretchen and imperial guard deserve the dual A+ gold standard tier.
Nah Gretchin are a little too swarm-like imo. They're not quite Nurgling level but they're closer to that than the guard
@@milliondollarmistakethe episode is cannon fodder. They are literally used as projectiles for the Big Mek with Shock attack gun you. Cant get more cannon fodder than literally being used as ammo
Technically speaking the main ammo for the shokk attack gun are actually snotlings which are a different species of orkoids which are smaller than grots @@Butternades
Gretchin are S+ tier
@@michaelrussell3890 they literally said in the video multiple times that they weren't looking for the overt swarm unit. otherwise ripper swarms would have been the pick for nids or nurglings for chaos
31:53 I’ve never heard the phrase “roadside picnic” used in this way. Is that common? It was just really trippy because I was just thinking about STALKER and felt called out.
when i play guard i always tell my opponent that "the tanks are for me to have fun, the infantry is for you to have fun" because there job is to bee smooth paste on the walls and whoever im fighting always enjoys helping them fulfill there job
Also, regarding Brad being upset that they just found a new planet and called it New Cadia, that's just how _people_ are, Brad. If you blow up my house and I get a new house, I'm just gonna call it New House. Keeping the name preserves history, it reminds you to not make the same mistake again, and it makes naming things after a tragedy _very_ easy when those people might not be feeling super creative at the moment. Saying it negates the Chaos win just because they made a new one is more than a little ignorant to narrative and storytelling.
Not gonna lie, calling the planet, "New Cadia" is just asking for trouble.
Guardsman Steve is indispensable.
"Its not the longest book I've ever wridden." Well, with that English I'm just happy you can read!
What's even funnier about the Cadia jokes is: originally chaos didn't even outright win the 13th black crusade, they controlled the surface but orbit was all the Imperiums.
The planet fell before the fleet!
Gretchen are the answer to your question. They were robbed. A+ for Gretchen.
Can we Imperial Guard fans have some love with a subfaction video? GW gives us nothing
This please ffs.
4:41 well the Emperors Janitors probably can’t be on here since they’re movie marines as an official army.
I really love the end section where the submissions gets painted. It looks really good.
Poxwalkers and jackals have feel no pain
It’s funny that in this video it makes them better, but in the same time, it makes their grade lower
This series is about whether each faction can copy the function of a unit archetype, rather than perform well in their own way.
I personally think that makes this series a bit lacklustre, but that’s their goal.
So here, if you aren’t doing what guardsmen do, you aren’t earning the high grades.
@@reginlief1 Than it would just be just a lackluster stat block review channel. I already know what most of these units are supposed to be good but having a bunch of models being compared to the poster child space marines or another faction with unique specialization is more entertaining. Also, they discuss these units outside the vacuum that many other channels do like price and typically avoid meta gaming.
34:08 Leagues of Votann need the Adrian Tchaikovsky treatment.
I have a feeling that Grey Knights wasn't present for the lesson and got "cheap squad that holds points and doesn't do all that well in combat" and their mind went to the strike squad because they are part of elite army club and it warped their perspective
They also missed the anti tank lessons as well as "how to hold a hammer".
When the Chaos Knights cannon fodder has a good shot at 1v1ing most armies' characters.
Damn I came here for 40K not to be reminded of what happened to the lions this year.
1:31 Hey, Golden Sun.
Def. of cannonfodder is thay you throw them forward to chew enemy ammo. The flaggios seems very good for this ;)
Yall are absolutely devious in your commentary of academia. Almost frightening.
Knocked it out of the park on your picks too I wanted to quibble on a few but ended up nodding when yall hashed it out. Great vid fellas
3:26 Brad go cry to your false gods #NewPlanetWhoDis
A Lions shoutout? On a Poorhammer podcast? This is truly the greatest crossover of all time and warp.
My Black Templar Crusade squads are the gold standard for space marines.
Warboss: send the cannon fodder
*Boys load grenchins
Rate every faction's primaris lieutenant equivalent please.
Like the "every faction's Terminator" guy, I will just keep asking.
Holy shit a mikeburnfire gun rant reference in my poorhammer! I love it.
0:40 *cracks knuckles in Guard*
there's a tzeentch player that comes to my local shop and i shit you not, she always brings one unit of pink horrors and no one's actually whipped it off the board XD
The Kroot bit has me cracking up
First of all Hell Yeah! to barellio with the golden sun clip. Such a classic. 2nd I think Brad only says guard infantry suck because he doesn't have a local guard player to make him suffer. xD but where they truly shine is spamablitity and versatility. You can build to fight anything. You can get anti anything, light or heavy infantry, armor, anti horde. Can include indirect fire, heavy weapons for any situations, leaders and orders for any situation .
Ah yes, the classic cannon fodder: IG. Had a friend who loved his Guard, and when he went to a tournament he would take a literal bucket of infantry, dump it in his deployment zone and say "Ok I'm deployed". As guardsmen inevitably died, he just tossed them back in the bucket. And if there was a scary thing like a khorne daemon prince on the board? He just fixed bayonettes and charged in one more squad at a time until the the game was over or the problem went away. To quote the man, "You know you won when the blood blender stops." He truly understood this assignment.
The basic Guardsman are actually a pretty efficient datasheet. 10 Guardsmen trade relatively well with similar units (Gaunts, guardians etc) . With orders they are very versatile, with a wide breadth of utility.
These are the best poorhammer episodes
TLDW: We used Imperial Guard because Grots are so good as canon fodder, no one else could keep up.
Wouldnt the noventia squad make more sense for sisters?
I'm gonna be real with you, I forgot them entirely while doing the final picks. They absolutely were the pick.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast omg a celebrity answered me! Video was still a blast to listen to.
Gretchin deserve the A+, they just did a bunch of extra work expecting extra credit.
Did not expect a Mike Burnsfire and Zach Hazard reference
29 seconds ago. HOT DAMN. No Views.
That's it; I'm a trendsetter
I remember back in 5th edition when I played, Gretchin had a rule where you can throw them into a land mine to get rid of it. I don't even think land mines were a thing in 5th edition. They are the embodiment of cannon fodder.
I will unsub if guard isn't A+
These episodes are always fun, I would love to see one looking at all the titan sized models for each faction.
Congratulations, that episode is already done
I'm just here to extend a heartfelt thank-you to either you guys or the editor for including a Golden Sun clip while talking about Guard
As a fellow Michigander, the lions loss saddened me as well. But hell yeah jahkals getting a good score!
Jakhals get an 'A' because they bullied the Tzaangors into doing their homework for them, and the 'gors ran out of time to finish their own.
Jakhals? More like JOCKhals, amirite? (im so sorry)
Catachan eating mushrooms and seeing Kroot Warriors: That was no microdose, Timmy
You guys should do each faction's worst concept unit. For instance, the Grey Knight baby carrier. Yo dawg, I heard you liked dude in armor with a big gun, so I put a dude in armor in a bigger dude with armor and a big gun.
Hands DOWN the best merch plug ever! Made me burst out laughing.
funny story about the whole "dog ate my homework" a relative had a hardboiled egg she was supposed to take care of for Home Economics class. One night, our boxer, Zeus, ate it so the next morning she had to go into school and tell the teacher that the dog literally ate her homework. parents thought that was hilarious, teacher was probably tickled about it too. We had the same Home Ec teacher, and Ms. B was cool, she probably got a good laugh out of it
I’d love to see each faction’s Distraction Carnifexes
Cadia blowing up is still a Chaos win because old Cadia was key in keeping Chaos at bay. Cadia's death also opened the Great Rift.
14:50 reminds me of the cute moment in horus rising between garviel loken and tarik torgadon when they compete to slap a pipe in a hallway of a ship
How did orcs not get A+? Literally the most fodder of all cannon fodder. Lorewise only Tyranids seem to be more numerous and replaceable
You are back!! A week without an episode and I almost had to take up crack just to make it through the week.
Every faction's Smash Captain!
Or not, you do you.