Broderick's character wasn't angry at the troops. He was angry at their officer for treating their training as a joke, leaving them completely unprepared for war.
That but also because I believe he wants them to feel like they are truly being trained like a regular army unit. Thomas talks about how there is an ugly rumor about manual labor and that probably doesn't make Robert feel good and seeing an officer goofing off with his unit instead of training for battle probably doesn't help this rumor whatsoever. They had to be broken down and built back just like any army unit...Not held by the hand.
This scene is really played off as he's openly angry, when what he was really doing was adding stress. Yelling for things to be faster, pressuring the person, even shooting a gun off next to them all creates stress which makes people get sloppy. These are all modern training techniques as well.
Training makes all the difference in war. Poorly trained troops make many mistakes that cost lives. Highly trained troops make fewer mistakes that cost lives.
@@peelslowly28 The full English translated quote: “If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame. But, if orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their officers.”
@@TheKavuShow The point remains that the men in charge bear the ultimate responsibility for every failure that happens below them. Don't try to blame your inferiors for doing wrong, because whose job was it to teach them?
In essence yes, but the translation is not that simple. In fact, based on the region and time it is read, the result is different. However, the basic meaning should be something like that, but it also stresses that the general is not at fault for all things, such as the "inner spirit" such as cowardice, but it also points out that a good leader can assume a certain number will fail, and must calculate with that in mind.
He cared because he took the time to create this example. He knew that, without proper training, they'd all die to the last man in their very first fight. So he made sure they knew their business. That's a good leader, one who cares about those under their leadership.
Agreed! 1,000,000,000%!!!!! Col. Robert Gould Shaw's XO, Major Forbes, should've been training these Brave Men properly, from the START!!! Instead, he allowed the Unit to "Relax", and have a shooting contest, with Private Jupiter Starts shooting at Glass Bottles. What was Major Forbes thinking? Col. Shaw did what he did, out of wanting to give an example to the Men of the 54th Massachusetts. It was a very harsh lesson, too. In Battle, the Men of the 54th weren't going to be standing around, taking bets. They were going to be fighting for their very lives! Personally, I give full Commendation to Col. Shaw for what he did here. He didn't want his Men going into Battle unprepared. If that would have happened, the entire 54th Massachusetts stood a very real, and a very high, risk, of being completely wiped out! I have no idea why Major Forbes didn't think about this. I also have no idea why he allowed the Men of the 54th Massachusetts to just stand around betting, when he should've been training them, from the word go! This was something that should've been punishable, as it relates to Major Forbes. It was totally uncalled for, and very unprofessional, as an Officer in the Union Army! Had I been Col. Shaw, I would have pulled Major Forbes aside, in private, and scolded him royally, up one side, down the other, and straight back up through the middle! What Major Forbes did here, by allowing a lapse in drilling the Men, is considered to be Dereliction of Duty! Thankfully, by the time that the 54th Massachusetts left their training grounds, they had been properly trained, and were ready to go to War.
@@ellissmith2909 In my own personal opinion, Col. Robert Gould Shaw was a much better, and a much more disciplined, Union Army Officer, than one of his best friends, Major Cabot Forbes, was! He understood his duty, he wanted his Men ready...and then, to run into a situation like this:A situation that Major Forbes had created, albeit unintentionally, by not training these Brave Men PROPERLY! Had I been Col Shaw, I would've considered bringing Major Forbes up on a charge of Dereliction of Duty!
He knew that their performance would be under a microscope. There was a prevailing belief in the public and in the army that African American soldiers were inferior to white soldiers. Shaw knew that in order to prove them wrong, the54th had to be above the standards of regular recruits. He understood the ramifications if they failed under fire.
So noble of y'all to train up meat for the grinder. Let's not forget what kind of people kept the most slaves now, gentlemen. They were Hebrew . Also bearing in mind, less you forget, that that ole emancipation proclamation? Yeah, that only applied to the southern states, and was used by that Great emancipator (lol) to inspire slave riots on farms tended by the women that were holding it down while their men went to fight and die. You people are despicable. Y'all need to get your affairs straight.
I ran a squadron as a PTSD riddled major. So did a lot of my friends. We trained the f out of our guys, most who were deploying the first time. They hated us till they started to get good…then when we got to theatre, they got it. I also watched guys for burnout and got them three days rest before they did anything that might ruin their career. It was a courtesy many of my peers were not afforded.
I have always liked how this scene connects with the scene of the first battle the 54th is fighting. During the chaos of when the forces engage, a Confederate soldier charges Jupiter with his bayonet while Jupiter sees him and is quickly re-loading his rifle. Jupiter shoots him just before the soldier reaches him because he had been "trained properly". This illustrates what Col. Shaw was trying to do here. He had been in battle and knew what his men could expect and wanted them ready.
The bad thing about that is in almost every case a bullet wouldn’t stop somebody charging with a bayonet they would probably still run you through. That’s the thing about momentum and a weapon like a bayonet. Would the other man die, yes… But he would take you with him.
@@wb5mgr true, however the movies exaggerate scenes and events that occurred. The true distance may have been further, or the man charging could have already been injured. Etc
@@wb5mgr That is only applicable for a pistol-calibre weapon. This is a .54 calibre rifle, the bullet is the size of a man's thumb, and that is the same kind of weapon hunters used against elephants and rhinos in that time period
@@wb5mgr we're talking about a 500 grain musket ball/bullet though. That's nearly as heavy as a .50 Cal BMG, something like that can certainly stop you in your tracks
As a veteran this scene hits home…you have to take your training seriously…the leadership is the example of how to take it seriously…this clip shows how much love he has for his rank and men…he single-handedly saved lives with this lesson..great case of you might not like me now but your going to thank me later.
If I do join the Air Force, I know I'm gonna take my training seriously, because even though they might be shouting and harassing me, DEEP down they're only doing it because they want me alive and well in the end.
Yeah, I saw this scene as a matured adult, but at first I might’ve thought he was a jerk had I seen it as a young man or teenager. That is assuming I had not seen the opening battle. When I saw the scene it was clear to me this was tough love.
Glory and Last Samurai were both directed by Edward Zwick. Both films feature a scene like this and in both cases they are one of the best scenes in the film.
It kinda sums up the entire rag to riches concept. Rag tag people growing into men. This is the transition point in both movies where the giggles and chuckles disappear.
The situation is quite different. In the Last Samurai, Algren was ready to put his life on the line to prove the soldiers could barely hold a rifle and were not ready to kill a man threatening to shoot them, let alone trained, battle-hardened samurai. In Glory, Col. Shaw was incensed that all of them - from the soldiers to the NCOs and even his own XO, who should know better - were treating this as some sort of game, when he saw people get killed or mangled for their liberty. Even if his soldiers were not intended to be led anywhere close to the battlelines, Col. Shaw had to make the point that they should be trained the same as any white Union enlisted recruit, and as equals, so they become ready in case they were.
This scene need to be seen by every officer and NCO. His last look at the soldier was where he said we are failing you as leaders. Notice he said nothing to the man who was struggling. He went to the officer leading the training and made his expectations clear. He wanted those men trained to the absolute best of their collective abilities so they would survive the real thing. The best weapon system ever deployed is useless if you can't use it under duress. That's been proven time and again throughout history
Right, it may have seemed racially motivated at the start but it become apparent he was doing that because they needed to be ready for ACTUAL combat. And the training paid off when Jupiter was able to reload quickly and kill the soldier that was charging straight at him.
@_Tristen_ It wasn't racially motivated. Those are the colonel's men and he has standards. The major was gooding off and slack. The colonel used the private to make his point and it was valid. "Give me your side-arm". The colonel has his own. So why was the major's pistol used? Because it was the major's lesson to be learned. It was the major being shown up un front of the men. If you can't fire three aimed shots in 60 seconds, you have been poorly trained.
@@fakshen1973 They were saying it *looked* like it was racially motivated, but wasn't, especially clear once you see the rest of the scene, but right at the start it can seem like it.
"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war." This has unfortunately become a cliché but it is the absolute truth. Matthew Broderick's character shows that he knows this all too well. Great acting and great directing!
@@theschwabmob8363 Plus there's the context of the mentioned rumor prior to the scene with the training, clearly the Colonel didn't like such a rumor flying around.
I like at 2:24 Shaw moves the barrel away from under his chin after Forbes let it lean over. Even though its a musket that obviously could not have been fired again. Just goes to show how important gun safety is even at all times.
There is a story about the first person killed in the 9th New York Heavy Artillery regiment (in which my great-great-great grandfather served). They had built and had been stationed in the forts around Washington DC and some of them had their families with them in the forts until they were sent to the front in 1864 (as infantry) and saw their first major action at Cold Harbor. This is from the history of the regiment. "The first person in the regiment to be killed by gunshot was a woman, Mrs. Chauncey Hale, she came to the company during the winter of 1862 and 1863, and was detailed as laundress for the company. The captain of Company F built a house for the Hales at the foot of the company street, and here Hale, his wife and two children lived happily until the sad accident occurred which ended the life of his wife. One morning after Hale had been on guard-duty and had come to his quarters for his breakfast, and while he was yet at the table, the call for guard-mount was sounded; he hurriedly arose from the table and hastily putting on his equipments, his wife assisting him, and as she buckled his belt she gave him a push, saying playfully, "Hurry now, or you will get pricked and put on extra duty for being late." He held his gun in his hands, his thumb on the hammer, and in the same playful manner answered, "Take care or I will shoot you." The gun was a Belgian rifle and went off half cocked, his thumb slipped and the gun was discharged, the large bullet passing through her head, scattering her brains over her motherless children. Hale was nearly distracted with grief. The company had the remains embalmed and sent home. The children were placed in the Orphan Asylum at Auburn. N. Y. Hale was never himself after this sad occurrence, but seemed broken-hearted and despondent. He remained in the service, however, till the end of the war." The moral of the story: Never point your rifle at anyone you don't want to kill and always treat your gun as if it is loaded. Also never goof around while holding a gun.
in combat soldiers would often not realize their muskets had not fired and would load another charge. a number of dead soldiers were found with rifles that had double or even triple charges. If the soldier was unlucky the overcharged rifle would explode injuring or killing the soldier.
@@toomanyaccounts you're reciting from Gods and Generals. However using the ramrod it is hard to more than doubleload cartridge and ball without it being obvious even to the adrenaline filled soldier himself. That's a good 6" of unexpected extra rammer length An Enfield or 1861 Springfield kicks like a mule with a real load and fitted minie ball. You can tell if it discharged. Much harder only by feel with blanks like field reenactors. The sergeants and LTs walked the closing file back and forth while the platoon and company is firing to ensure that the muskets are being used properly and are discharging. A longarm not functioning is replaced by the sergeant's loaded one. The Sergeant then attends to the flaw...they are not fixed in ranks. 60 years of blank fire reenactments have let a few reenactirisms into modern historian assumptions. They threw out a lot of guesswork historians and movie directors had on file before the 80s, but a few extra newly got in.
@@STho205 Is it comparable to a shotgun's kick? I ask because one of the New England Patriots' End Zone Militia guys, who fire a celebratory volley after every Pats touchdown, said that they have to use double the amount of powder a reenactor would use in order for it to be heard from the cheap seats, and consequently the kick is comparable to that of a shotgun.
@@STho205 yet this was with the ramrod they just didn't notice it not going all the way down. they couldn't get the wad and ball in there without using the ramrod
@@blackjac5000 to firing a 12guage with a slug, not buck or bird shot. Firing blank powder with no wadding rammed down gives a small kickback. Firing blank cartridge and ramming the paper wadding well gives a bit more. About 1/10th of a live round with a minie slug.
It's the haunted look of someone pushed to his limit every minute. In the poem "For the Union Dead," Lowell describes the look on Shaw's face in the memorial statue: :He has an angry wrenlike vigilance, a greyhound's gentle tautness: he seems to wince at pleasure and suffocate for privacy. . . .when he leads his black soldiers to death, he cannot bend his back."
The Colonel was preparing the men for the sound and smell of the battle. The sounds of men yelling, and the noise of the weapons, and the smell of gun powder, and the feeling when the powder burns your eyes. He also was preparing them for the feeling of fear. Better to feel fear before the battle, so you are used to it, and you can deal with it. You freeze up in training you just get yelled at and are subject to P.T. You freeze on the unforgiving battlefield, you get killed and possibly get your brothers next to you killed
"Soldier! In an extreme situation, you won't rise to the level of your expectations. You will fall to the level of your training!" -- soviet military poster
Naw, Gettysburg was better! I appreciate the Storico relevance of this movie but I think I passed another movie that is put out to further a racial agenda with African-Americans I think I’m going to puke!
That ending like you say was an emotional one. One of the top three or four civil war movies for sure. My favorites are Gettysburg, Gods and Generals, Glory, Shenandoah, and Andersonville.
It's a beautiful thing to see those guys happy about receiving a weapon. Yes it's government property, but it's their rifle, something that they can call their own and take care of. And it's powerful, it can kill and it can protect their lives. For many of them, it's probably the first time in their life they had something so valuable.
Nothing instills a sense of freedom in someone greater than when they are finally given them means to defend themselves, rather than relying on someone else.
But you can see how concerned Colonel Shaw is about the number of men who - almost immediately - start treating combat as though it's a game. Morale is all well and good, but a weapon is something which deserves to be treated with a little gravitas.
Besides the last reflection before battle, when he set his horse free, this was Broderick's best acting in the movie. This scene is also extremely well written, obviously by people that have been in combat or have consulted those that have. I did not expect Broderick to do a great job with this role and I was very surprised. A perfect choice at the time for a young, pampered intellectual put in charge of something way over his skill and experience...but as a political statement. The screenplay treated the whole endeavor as an Arthurian Legend.
I didn't expect Mathew Broderick to do a good job either. I say him in a few comedies and thought he was good in those. When I saw he was gonna be in a Civil War movie I was gonna skip it because I didn't think he could pull it off. Then I saw a documentary on the real 54th regiment and the real Col. Shaw and thought they actually nailed it. So I decided to watch that movie and was glad I did
I never had any expectations as I never heard of the movie until it was shown to my 8th grade class back in '91. Pretty sure it was '91 cause I want to say I remember we had to study the ACW in the second half of the school year. Don't remember any TV trailers for it back in '89 and I expect there were but probably not on the channels we watched at the time. Big thing I really remember from 8th is being told we were going to watch the movie and a friend wondering if they were going to show the theatrical release or the cleaned up version that would not contain the cannonball decapitation at the beginning of the movie. Was definately the clean version. Pretty sure I didn't see "Ferris Bueler's Day Off" until some time after seeing "Glory", and even then it was on TV where it would have been censored and some scenes cu for commercial breaks. Didn't realize that it was the same actor until later. I guess the thing for me at the time was Broderick had a mustache in "Glory" and looked more baby faced without it in "Ferris Bueler's Day Off".
@@sulik682 Yes, they were often young, and promoted fast. But men like Shaw had to learn fast on the battlefield, and those who survived learned well. The thing about Shaw in this movie is, this charge is not 'way over his head and experience. He was privileged, but not pampered. He's already a combat veteran, and his upbringing made him acutely aware of the politics involved. When he needed to learn something new, he did.
Accuracy is not as important as consistent, robotic rate of fire. A regiment of infantry is an elaborate automatic machine gun, manually worked by massed individuals under skilled commanders.
@@STho205 depends on circumstance. In civil war we had pretty accurate guns, you can probably break a bad regiment with just inaccurate fire but to break a strong regiment you need accurate volley fire mixed with cannon fire, cav or a charge
@@worlore1651 so you've been around as an adult for 160 years huh...the "We had" bit just screams enthusiastic blank fire reenactor. If you get the range elevation correct you're going to hit someone left or right of your aim. Adjustable incline ladder sights to 1100 yds, but seldom effective for half of that. Windages are typically inches to feet at distance, and these sights were seldom ever "sighted in" for combat regiments. Men are standing 28" on centerline from each other in two ranks. However with casualty numbers compared to men engaged, most of those balls fell short or went long. Elevation was the biggest error of the line infantryman, vs the sharpshooter (who likely is not using a basic rifle like the Crimea era Enfield). I'm looking right at my replica I bought in 96 and an antique I have under it on the wall rack. Keep the powder dry, the caps hot and the smoke flying.
Ed Zwick re-created the mood and feel of this scene in "The Last Samurai", which was basically Dances With Wolves combined with Glory. All three films were magnificent cinematic achievements, and each was chock full of tragedy (as well as triumph).
My Great Great grandfather was in the 26th Wisconsin infantry, mostly consisted of German immigrants. He fought at Missionary Ridge, Chancellorsville, saw action in General Sherman’s army during his famous March through Georgia, and fought at Gettysburg among several other engagements I have forgotten the names of. He was discharged in 65 and died in 1927. Knowing how bloody Gettysburg was, I am amazed he managed to survive.
This is as good as it gets. A crew of men, ready to fight, without knowing the horror that awaits. A man charged with their training and their readiness. And in this scene, the point where these roads cross. Just the best of film.
Rapid reloading under stress, without the errors commonly found when weapons of the dead were examined would save the lives of the trainees. They found weapons that had been loaded ball first, then powder, another ball, more powder, repeat to fill the entire barrel... because a panicked soldier didn't even realize their weapon hadn't been firing.
Very good scene for marksmen in any age. It's easy to sit on a range and take calmly aimed shots. It's another to take shots with your heart pounding, vision narrowing and real fear. To those that train now, hitting a target on a nice day at the range from a comfortable position does NOT make you a good shot. At the very least you need to be doing cardio workouts, practicing stress shoots and shooting under time constraints and stressors.
if you're lucky enough to have land, or a friend with some land, setting up a moving firing range where you can simulate this is a great way to learn how to move with your weapon, aim quickly, and reload while moving
Oddly enough the average number of enemy combatants killed with hand held firearms was actually a lot higher back than it is today despite inferior guns and slower loading times. Artillery, bombs and heavy machine guns do most of the work in modern warfare. Infantry don't kill many people these days so accurate shooting is almost not important. You need them to hold and manage ground, that's about it.
Do a minute of grass drills, go prone with your rifle, and get an accurate shot off within 3 seconds. Increase the number of shots as the first gets better. Good way to work up a sweat and train at the same time.
This is an important sequence in the film and very well done. Robert realizes his troops, including his two best friends are not ready for what he knows is coming. He has experienced the worst American battle in history at that point at Antietam and he must become a serious commander to his troops and not their friend in order to prevent a massacre which he envisions as they rollick with their new rifles. Broderick and the director communicate all this very subtly at first and then explicitly.
@@NewsHistorian So he failed then? "He must become a serious commander to his troops and not their friend in order to prevent a massacre". He didn't prevent the massacre.
Despite being a young officer, his high rank and upper class upbringing did not spoil him. Broderick had seen enough battles to know what it takes to be battle ready. This movie shows the best of Matthew Broderick!
LOVED THIS MOVIE! Matthew Broderick, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington and Carey Elwes. An amazing cast to be sure and their telling of this tale is a tale for the ages!
We have these recruits who are full of stories and thinking they have a chance to fight for a cause that really matters to their people. They get a weapons and start waving them around, playing soldier and thinking that soon they'll march out and help turn the tide of war. And from their ranks, a crack shot emerges and everyone's morale soars. And no one is telling them that they are part of an undisciplined, unskilled, and unprepared unit - and if they go to combat then they will all die having achieved nothing of what they hoped to do. So, how do you get this message through to them? You pick out their best and demonstrate to everyone how far below the expectation they really are. It is unkind, but it is fast.
Just like today, the government lied to these people concerning the cause. The Civil War wasn’t about slavery until half way into it when Lincoln discovered a victory wasn’t as easily accomplished as he had been told. Out of the two sides, only one side, the North, had segregated units and conscripts. The South had blacks volunteer and serve side by side with everyone else. It’s amazingly sad how Lincoln’s true feelings towards black people have been buried from history. Lincoln was truly a horrible president. I highly recommend people search for his July 4th speech to congress on his feelings towards slavery. Or the money he petitioned from Congress to ship blacks to the West Indies to work in mines, under the false pretense of “freedom”.
Some of the best leaders I ever knew, figured out the balance between training and joking. We all want to lean back and talk and tell stories and enjoy a moment during training sessions, but we need to remember why we are there. Some of my favorite drill sergeants from basic training were the guys that came in late at night and sat down and talked to us after hours. Granted this was three-quarters of the way through and we had already respected the hell out of them at that point, but a handful of them would show up. Every now and then one would come in, sit down and laugh and tell stories and get to know us. Humanized things. But we never slipped on the training. The goal is balance, given the severity of the situation.
I'll never forget my Dad taking me to see this movie back in 89' and to this day the story still moves me. I later read "One Gallant Rush" shortly after and was further moved by this cinematic masterpiece.
I think it's important to remember that (in the film), Robert basically laid down at Antietam and sort of gave up. He's hard on his men because he's now in a place where he knows that he himself, (and the men he was with) folded in the crunch. His insistence that men be properly trained goes hand-in-hand with the training we see him do, (like the work on horseback cutting the melons and practicing his saberwork). I love this scene because Shaw knows what he hadn't been really ready for himself, and wants to make sure they're ALL ready for what's ahead of them. I don't think the real Shaw had the film version's problem, but I like that film version starts in a place where he doesn't have what it takes to be a good leader, and knows it, but accepts the challenge anyway and becomes a great leader!
So much to appreciate in the scene. Also love the subtle movements where Broderick gently pushes the end of the rifle away from pointing his direction. Outstanding scene with these actors.
I saw this film in theatres on its opening week. Absolutely destroyed me. First off, I couldn't believe just how brilliant Broderick was and how seriously he took the role, since I'd only known him from FBDO and Ladyhawke. Secondly, the rest of the cast was clearly exemplary as well--right down to each and every minor supporting role. Thirdly, it was my first introduction to Ed Zwick's work, and when you see and hear more of it in "The Last Samurai", the messages about war being h311 are both unmistakable and riveting. Finally, R.I.P. Andre Bauer. ⚔️🇱🇷⚔️
This was one of my favorite movies with Matthew Broderick. He is often known for his comedic genius but this shows he is also quite the dramatic actor and his performance in this film was career making.
This reminds me of the scene from the Last Samurai where Tom Cruise's character tells the recruit to load the rifle and shoot him. I would not be surprised if this scene from Glory inspired that scene.
i believe that BLM/CRT-infested amerika is finally ready for White History Month, and yes, this movie, depicting a war in which hundreds of thousands of 'whites' died, should be shown
I love how he’s so passionate about the training; he might look like a jerk here but sending them in to die without proper training is an even bigger jerk move.
absolutely beautiful movie. It shows that being willing to fight is not the only thing that matters. Those freed man joined to fight for their freedom, and were willing to pay the price, in return, the officer respected them and wanted them to have a proper training.
Your life, the life of the man next to you, and finally MY life, depends on you learning to do this quickly, correctly, under fire, under stress, and with chaos swirling around you. Sucks, but there it is. I feel he COULD have given them that little speech so the Private wasn't just blindsided by the exercise. Of course we don't really know at what point in their training this was taking place. From the way he says "properly", I would assume he was given some indication the men were nearing "ready".
Having been in the army, with Robert and at Antietam, Forbes should have known how the men needed to use their muskets. I think this scene was probably soon after they received the muskets and Robert caught them fooling around......or just casually shooting. Would think that, as the Colonel, he would have briefed the men as to what kind of training that they were to receive. I've drilled with these muskets; there is 9 motions to be performed and they need to be done precisely and quickly, for the whole unit tobe ready. And the rear rank men need to learn how to position themselves to fire between two men in the front rank.
Speaking as someone currently serving in the American military it's very common for people to teach pressure like this. No warning or briefing (outside of what the proper form is and safety), just suddenly a person yelling at you and putting pressure on you. A lot of times they don't even tell you why they did it afterwards either and it's just left to us to realize it was pressure training. Now it's debatable whether or not this is the best way of training to operate under pressure but it's very accurate during training to just have the trainer come up and blindside you with pressure.
@@alexblake5369 Never having served, so I'm just WAG here, but I would imagine that sudden unannounced pressure training like this and the examples you cited are due to the fact that things can go from normal to crazy pressure very suddenly, and the individual would need to be able to handle the sudden change. That being said, I have to wonder if this put doubt in the recruits mind.
@@alexblake5369 exactly. In the USCG, drills could pop up at any time. I did a live man overboard drill while giving the base XO a trip on our small boat. I always wanted my crew to be ready.
I've had mixed views about Col Shaw, but this was the one scene I'm glad he did get tough on them. Cause they weren't being properly trained like it's a joke. I admire his kind of leadership.
The one thing my granpas wanted me to remember in Basic traing was that all of my DI's were once raw green recruits themselves and I told myself this over and over in the first phase of boot
It's a cool scene. Has a bit of modern army in it to allow the audience to relate. The 53pattern was pretty standard in Europe but outdated. Developed for their last major war. He was reading the top of barrel Pedersoli (or ArmiSport) serial number thats printed with the ATF Black Powder required signage. The Crowne and Tower muskets didn't have that atop the barrel, nor the 1853 Enfield on the lock plate. Modern issue does have such serial numbers in plain sight. I removed mine along with the bluing back in 2000 after 3 years. Stamped it with the inspectors marks and a few other historic mods. 10 years of looking at it, I just went for it. Great rifle though. They shoot pretty straight past 100 yds. BTW this was a fun set, though the hours were quite long.
Good leadership on display. Not just trying to be a jerk, but creating a clear example to everyone of why they need proper training and to take combat seriously.
This lesson is proven to work as the same guy who couldn’t reload under pressure of simulated fire, would be able to load under the stress of live fire and an enemy charging him with a bayonet. This is also a lesson for Wesley (I forgot the character’s name in Glory) as an officer it his his job to maintain order between rank and file while teaching training that could keep these men alive. It is also a lesson in not becoming too familiar with the enlisted. Morgan Freeman’s character quickly learns this lesson but also in-turn learns something about his commanding officer: he cares about his men. This is what makes him approachable after Washington’s character was whipped for desertion - judging Freeman’s character, he would never approached him if he didn’t know the officer cared, even with their shared past
It's been over 20 years so I can't pretend that I remember Cary Elwes's character name either. That said, a quick combo of IMDb and Google and may I present to you one Major Cabot Forbes.
@@christopherjakel1049 Oh same, I've seen this movie before and I don't think I remembered that it was Cary Elwes lol. I just barely pointed out to my sister, "Huh- Westley is in Glory!"
Great movie. I used to show it to my history classes. Nick picking here, but the first round fired from the Colt was about 4 inches from the recruits' ear. In the real world, if that revolver contained a full powder charge, not only is the recruit probably deaf but burned. And the angle of the revolver approaches 45 degrees on the last rounds in a crowded camp. I had the privilege of meeting some of the reinactors that were involved in the filming. Authenticity was stressed, right down to the bat and ball in the baseball game. Magnificent job overall, but Hollywood went a little overboard here illustrating the important point he was trying to make.
War takes a toll on soldiers' hearing. In a Civil War battle, one might have dozens of one's comrades right next to you all firing multiple volleys. Veterans of those commented on the tremendous gunfire noise that made it difficult to hear anything else.
I grew up in Mobile Al where there are still Civil War forts on the beaches. I remember as a teen finding Civil War era bullets in the sands of Dauphin Island. Just thought I would share a little. I love this friggin movie.
Notice how Shaw commends Jupiter for being a great shot, asks him if he's ever killed a man, and he says "no" - this was setting up a cut scene later in the movie where Jupiter uses his skill as a sniper and gets that first Confederate kill he's wanted since he signed up. After seeing the soldier get hit, he runs eagerly across the field to exult in his kill the way a hunter would who's just taken down a big buck - he rolls the dead Confederate over, and in the moonlight he sees the lifeless face of an innocent-looking white boy, probably just sixteen years old, with a sparse goatee he was trying to grow, who probably didn't even understand the politics of the war. His comrades slap Jupiter on the back in congratulation, but he's realized there's no glory in war, only loss of life and the suffering of their mothers.
When it comes to training scenes, I scale from Gods and Generals (Colonel Ames, 20th Maine and a veteran of First Bull Run/Manassas, calmly demonstrating) at the bottom to this scene (Colonel Shaw, 54th Massachusetts and a veteran of Antietam, firing next to his men while yelling) in the middle to Last Samurai (Captain Algren, veteran of both the Civil War and Indian Wars now training the Imperial Army of Japan, shooting at his men) at the top. As a Texan who hunts, I can understand the feeling of getting your first gun and becoming a gitty as a child. I also see how a veteran of one of the bloodiest battles of the war at that point wants his men to understand war is not a game.
Reminds me of that scene in The Last Samurai where Captain Nathan Algren demonstrated how ill prepared the Japanese soldiers were when they were told they were going to be deployed...
Love the detail of Morgan Freeman’s head dropping in the background after he hears “Teach them PROPERLY, Major.” He dug the graves at Antietam, and realizes what a shame it is to be flippant about training. Same with the rage in Andre Braugher’s eyes as looks directly at the Major.
I read some criticism about how the film was seen through the eyes of Broderick, and not one of the soldiers. But, I feel that seeing the soldiers, through the leader’s eyes, shows us the crucial elements. Of how he grew to respect and see the individuality in each of his soldiers. That these men, who had been beaten down all their lives, were still willing to give everything for a country that didn’t deserve their courage.
America did deserve their courage. Their service could not be barred from her. How did you miss the movie's fundamental premise. It's literally called "Glory". Anyways, spot on about the colonel's perspective being the more important and nuanced.
@Marius This is a truly bananas take. The country, including at this very moment in time in the film, had no legal problem with Slavery. The country, from its inception, accepted that a slave was less than a man. The country, from its founding, accepted the idea of owning another person as property. You don't have to pretend things that are untrue about the U.S..
@@DHGxMcFlurry that is demonstrably false. Like, really, really bad take. You should maybe take a minute to see how many countries didn't even come into existence until the 20th century.
This scene stuck with me since I was 7 and it forever imprinted upon me a doctrine of readiness in all forms of training. For myself and those I am responsible for.
I honestly think this is the only movie Ive ever seen actually show anykind of equipment accountability where as each man gets a rifle, it's serial number is written next to his name
Thats because clerical work isnt really that good for cinematic storytelling, in addition to something that everyone both the office worker and the soldier can relate to. Its pretty hard to make filling spreadsheets and typing reports exciting. Even the Taliban got depressed about clerical work after they retook Afghanistan, and they can be REALLY exciting (for lack of a better word)
@DrSabot-A i did find that funny seeing taliban complaining on twitter about how they missed the war because now most of them had to either join their new formal military or go get regular jobs
Tough love, mad respect. He wasn't being mean, he wanted to see them live. So many people with their emotions and sentiments are absolutely worthless during a crisis, and for your info a war front is a non-stop crisis. Hence the PTSD rates. When shit hits the fan you have to be able to move fluidly under distress, otherwise your guaranteed dead. It's why when people freeze, they die. Don't shy away from guns, the concept of violence, the unavoidable nature of death itself. Embrace it all and if you are ever forced to confront it you might just make it out alive. And if not, you might be able to make your death worth something on the way out.
This is might seem mean, but its actually a valuable lesson, if you arn't use to being in battle, it is a completely different then just shooting bottles or hunting. too many people think its easy or no big deal. Talk to any vet willing to talk about the 1st time they were in a fire fight.
No it makes perfect sense. At this time, on the battlefield, the difference between being able to effectively fire three shots a minute vs one was absolutely the difference between life and death.
The colonel is exactly the type of commanding officer who I would want in the military! The colonel genuinely cares about the men serving under him. He also knew from his own combat experience that if his men weren't properly trained, then they would be slaughtered if they were ordered into a battle.
I still think it’s wild that some Of those shots from the revolver went straight up. I’m a few mins those bullets will come down within the regiment’s camp. Guess the 1860s was a wild time .
@@codymoe4986 Plenty of people have been killed by bullets falling from the sky after people fired their weapons in the air. Do some basic research before embarrassing yourself again trying to be a smartass you clown 🤡.
Broderick's character wasn't angry at the troops. He was angry at their officer for treating their training as a joke, leaving them completely unprepared for war.
Well said. Great movie.
That but also because I believe he wants them to feel like they are truly being trained like a regular army unit. Thomas talks about how there is an ugly rumor about manual labor and that probably doesn't make Robert feel good and seeing an officer goofing off with his unit instead of training for battle probably doesn't help this rumor whatsoever. They had to be broken down and built back just like any army unit...Not held by the hand.
This scene is really played off as he's openly angry, when what he was really doing was adding stress. Yelling for things to be faster, pressuring the person, even shooting a gun off next to them all creates stress which makes people get sloppy. These are all modern training techniques as well.
He was also angry because the principal wouldn't just let him take a day off of school.
Training makes all the difference in war. Poorly trained troops make many mistakes that cost lives. Highly trained troops make fewer mistakes that cost lives.
“What makes a good soldier, Sharpe?”
“The ability to fire three rounds a minute. In any weather sir.”
Ahhh, another Sharpe fan. All we need now is the "Can you stand speech?"
now that's soldiering
GOD
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@@tullyDT LOUDER !!!
Sharpe, stop showing off.
"If the soldiers don't know what they are doing it's not their fault, it's the General's" -Sun Tzu The Art of War
That's a real quote btw for anyone who was expecting the meme
@@peelslowly28
The full English translated quote:
“If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame. But, if orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their officers.”
@@TheKavuShow The point remains that the men in charge bear the ultimate responsibility for every failure that happens below them. Don't try to blame your inferiors for doing wrong, because whose job was it to teach them?
Hopper: “First rule of leadership, everything is your fault.”
In essence yes, but the translation is not that simple. In fact, based on the region and time it is read, the result is different. However, the basic meaning should be something like that, but it also stresses that the general is not at fault for all things, such as the "inner spirit" such as cowardice, but it also points out that a good leader can assume a certain number will fail, and must calculate with that in mind.
He cared because he took the time to create this example. He knew that, without proper training, they'd all die to the last man in their very first fight. So he made sure they knew their business. That's a good leader, one who cares about those under their leadership.
Agreed! 1,000,000,000%!!!!! Col. Robert Gould Shaw's XO, Major Forbes, should've been training these Brave Men properly, from the START!!!
Instead, he allowed the Unit to "Relax", and have a shooting contest, with Private Jupiter Starts shooting at Glass Bottles. What was Major Forbes thinking? Col. Shaw did what he did, out of wanting to give an example to the Men of the 54th Massachusetts. It was a very harsh lesson, too. In Battle, the Men of the 54th weren't going to be standing around, taking bets. They were going to be fighting for their very lives! Personally, I give full Commendation to Col. Shaw for what he did here. He didn't want his Men going into Battle unprepared. If that would have happened, the entire 54th Massachusetts stood a very real, and a very high, risk, of being completely wiped out! I have no idea why Major Forbes didn't think about this. I also have no idea why he allowed the Men of the 54th Massachusetts to just stand around betting, when he should've been training them, from the word go! This was something that should've been punishable, as it relates to Major Forbes. It was totally uncalled for, and very unprofessional, as an Officer in the Union Army! Had I been Col. Shaw, I would have pulled Major Forbes aside, in private, and scolded him royally, up one side, down the other, and straight back up through the middle! What Major Forbes did here, by allowing a lapse in drilling the Men, is considered to be Dereliction of Duty!
Thankfully, by the time that the 54th Massachusetts left their training grounds, they had been properly trained, and were ready to go to War.
@ronaldshank7589 I think the thought was they'd never see real battle anyway, but Shaw wasn't having it. He willed those men to glory
@@ellissmith2909 In my own personal opinion, Col. Robert Gould Shaw was a much better, and a much more disciplined, Union Army Officer, than one of his best friends, Major Cabot Forbes, was! He understood his duty, he wanted his Men ready...and then, to run into a situation like this:A situation that Major Forbes had created, albeit unintentionally, by not training these Brave Men PROPERLY!
Had I been Col Shaw, I would've considered bringing Major Forbes up on a charge of Dereliction of Duty!
I ain’t in the military but I think he probably could have taught this lesson without acting like a psycho.
He knew that their performance would be under a microscope. There was a prevailing belief in the public and in the army that African American soldiers were inferior to white soldiers. Shaw knew that in order to prove them wrong, the54th had to be above the standards of regular recruits. He understood the ramifications if they failed under fire.
This is when the character, a PTSD ridden soldier, merges with accurate writing. Death only cares how fast you reload. Excellent scene.
And that person is only in their 20s, think about that too.
So noble of y'all to train up meat for the grinder. Let's not forget what kind of people kept the most slaves now, gentlemen. They were Hebrew . Also bearing in mind, less you forget, that that ole emancipation proclamation? Yeah, that only applied to the southern states, and was used by that Great emancipator (lol) to inspire slave riots on farms tended by the women that were holding it down while their men went to fight and die.
You people are despicable. Y'all need to get your affairs straight.
It probably helped that this was shot not long after Matthew Broderick drunkenly killed those people with a car and then dodged being sent to prison
I still feel that Shaw had a death wish, he wanted to die while leading men into battle, he just didn't want those men to be cowards.
I ran a squadron as a PTSD riddled major. So did a lot of my friends. We trained the f out of our guys, most who were deploying the first time. They hated us till they started to get good…then when we got to theatre, they got it.
I also watched guys for burnout and got them three days rest before they did anything that might ruin their career. It was a courtesy many of my peers were not afforded.
I like how the Colonel subtly pushes the rifle barrel away from his face...Classic!
But he fires the Colt straight up in the air! No officer would do that, some of the men could have been killed or wounded!
@@benadam7753 And would never hear the end if it. Literally, because he wouldn't be able to hear.
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@@benadam7753 🤡🤡🤡🤡go back to sleep FOOL
That was a nice subtle touch
He just taught those men the difference between shooting on a range and in a battlefield
Not necessarily.
Lad could shoot well, but squirrels don't shoot back.
@@hellacoorinna9995 precisely his point, and one I wholeheartedly agree with
You will do well Firestorm. Good observation.
@@hellacoorinna9995 did you watch the whole scene because he clearly shows him his accuracy didn’t mean as much as he thought
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There's a reason I said _"Lad could shoot well, but squirrels don't shoot back."_
I have always liked how this scene connects with the scene of the first battle the 54th is fighting. During the chaos of when the forces engage, a Confederate soldier charges Jupiter with his bayonet while Jupiter sees him and is quickly re-loading his rifle. Jupiter shoots him just before the soldier reaches him because he had been "trained properly". This illustrates what Col. Shaw was trying to do here. He had been in battle and knew what his men could expect and wanted them ready.
The bad thing about that is in almost every case a bullet wouldn’t stop somebody charging with a bayonet they would probably still run you through. That’s the thing about momentum and a weapon like a bayonet. Would the other man die, yes… But he would take you with him.
@@wb5mgr true, however the movies exaggerate scenes and events that occurred. The true distance may have been further, or the man charging could have already been injured. Etc
@@wb5mgr That is only applicable for a pistol-calibre weapon. This is a .54 calibre rifle, the bullet is the size of a man's thumb, and that is the same kind of weapon hunters used against elephants and rhinos in that time period
@@charlesc.9012 yeah, these muskets would _definitely_ hit that "off" button.
@@wb5mgr we're talking about a 500 grain musket ball/bullet though. That's nearly as heavy as a .50 Cal BMG, something like that can certainly stop you in your tracks
As a veteran this scene hits home…you have to take your training seriously…the leadership is the example of how to take it seriously…this clip shows how much love he has for his rank and men…he single-handedly saved lives with this lesson..great case of you might not like me now but your going to thank me later.
If I do join the Air Force, I know I'm gonna take my training seriously, because even though they might be shouting and harassing me, DEEP down they're only doing it because they want me alive and well in the end.
Later in the movie it shows off because the same guy is able to load his gun and shoot before he get his stabbed.
Yeah, I saw this scene as a matured adult, but at first I might’ve thought he was a jerk had I seen it as a young man or teenager. That is assuming I had not seen the opening battle.
When I saw the scene it was clear to me this was tough love.
Definitely agree with you on that, it's important that trainees understand what they signed up for and why your training them in the way you are
The impact of his own experiences in battle showed quite well. Broderick did a good job of portraying a shocky commander training raw troops.
Glory and Last Samurai were both directed by Edward Zwick. Both films feature a scene like this and in both cases they are one of the best scenes in the film.
Thank you! I was just thinking about how these scenes were similar. Great bit of trivia to notice.
It kinda sums up the entire rag to riches concept. Rag tag people growing into men. This is the transition point in both movies where the giggles and chuckles disappear.
@Thor Odin son the story gave that scene more room for dramatics; Algren would have welcomed the bullet.
The situation is quite different.
In the Last Samurai, Algren was ready to put his life on the line to prove the soldiers could barely hold a rifle and were not ready to kill a man threatening to shoot them, let alone trained, battle-hardened samurai.
In Glory, Col. Shaw was incensed that all of them - from the soldiers to the NCOs and even his own XO, who should know better - were treating this as some sort of game, when he saw people get killed or mangled for their liberty. Even if his soldiers were not intended to be led anywhere close to the battlelines, Col. Shaw had to make the point that they should be trained the same as any white Union enlisted recruit, and as equals, so they become ready in case they were.
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This scene need to be seen by every officer and NCO. His last look at the soldier was where he said we are failing you as leaders. Notice he said nothing to the man who was struggling. He went to the officer leading the training and made his expectations clear. He wanted those men trained to the absolute best of their collective abilities so they would survive the real thing. The best weapon system ever deployed is useless if you can't use it under duress. That's been proven time and again throughout history
Right, it may have seemed racially motivated at the start but it become apparent he was doing that because they needed to be ready for ACTUAL combat. And the training paid off when Jupiter was able to reload quickly and kill the soldier that was charging straight at him.
@_Tristen_ It wasn't racially motivated. Those are the colonel's men and he has standards. The major was gooding off and slack. The colonel used the private to make his point and it was valid. "Give me your side-arm". The colonel has his own. So why was the major's pistol used? Because it was the major's lesson to be learned. It was the major being shown up un front of the men. If you can't fire three aimed shots in 60 seconds, you have been poorly trained.
@@fakshen1973 They were saying it *looked* like it was racially motivated, but wasn't, especially clear once you see the rest of the scene, but right at the start it can seem like it.
"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war."
This has unfortunately become a cliché but it is the absolute truth. Matthew Broderick's character shows that he knows this all too well. Great acting and great directing!
@@theschwabmob8363 Plus there's the context of the mentioned rumor prior to the scene with the training, clearly the Colonel didn't like such a rumor flying around.
I like at 2:24 Shaw moves the barrel away from under his chin after Forbes let it lean over. Even though its a musket that obviously could not have been fired again. Just goes to show how important gun safety is even at all times.
Treat, Never, Keep, Keep. No matter what you "know" about that rifle.
Like in "The Pacific" Where a Sergeant Berates a Lieutenant for improper gun safety while the company commander watches in agreement.
@@thewitchking852 tell me your a Marine without telling me! Semper Fi bro
There is a story about the first person killed in the 9th New York Heavy Artillery regiment (in which my great-great-great grandfather served). They had built and had been stationed in the forts around Washington DC and some of them had their families with them in the forts until they were sent to the front in 1864 (as infantry) and saw their first major action at Cold Harbor. This is from the history of the regiment.
"The first person in the regiment to be killed by gunshot was a woman, Mrs. Chauncey Hale, she came to the company during the winter of 1862 and 1863, and was detailed as laundress for the company. The captain of Company F built a house for the Hales at the foot of the company street, and here Hale, his wife and two children lived happily until the sad accident occurred which ended the life of his wife. One morning after Hale had been on guard-duty and had come to his quarters for his breakfast, and while he was yet at the table, the call for guard-mount was sounded; he hurriedly arose from the table and hastily putting on his equipments, his wife assisting him, and as she buckled his belt she gave him a push, saying playfully, "Hurry now, or you will get pricked and put
on extra duty for being late." He held his gun in his hands, his thumb on the hammer, and in the same playful manner
answered, "Take care or I will shoot you." The gun was a Belgian rifle and went off half cocked, his thumb slipped and the gun was discharged, the large bullet passing through her head, scattering her brains over her motherless children. Hale
was nearly distracted with grief. The company had the remains embalmed and sent home. The children were placed in
the Orphan Asylum at Auburn. N. Y. Hale was never himself after this sad occurrence, but seemed broken-hearted and despondent. He remained in the service, however, till the end of the war."
The moral of the story: Never point your rifle at anyone you don't want to kill and always treat your gun as if it is loaded. Also never goof around while holding a gun.
@@johnharris6655which episode is that in?
For anyone who has never been put through the 9 Times Loading Drill, I will state for the record that it is a lot harder than it looks to do it fast.
in combat soldiers would often not realize their muskets had not fired and would load another charge. a number of dead soldiers were found with rifles that had double or even triple charges. If the soldier was unlucky the overcharged rifle would explode injuring or killing the soldier.
@@toomanyaccounts you're reciting from Gods and Generals. However using the ramrod it is hard to more than doubleload cartridge and ball without it being obvious even to the adrenaline filled soldier himself. That's a good 6" of unexpected extra rammer length
An Enfield or 1861 Springfield kicks like a mule with a real load and fitted minie ball. You can tell if it discharged. Much harder only by feel with blanks like field reenactors.
The sergeants and LTs walked the closing file back and forth while the platoon and company is firing to ensure that the muskets are being used properly and are discharging. A longarm not functioning is replaced by the sergeant's loaded one. The Sergeant then attends to the flaw...they are not fixed in ranks.
60 years of blank fire reenactments have let a few reenactirisms into modern historian assumptions. They threw out a lot of guesswork historians and movie directors had on file before the 80s, but a few extra newly got in.
@@STho205 Is it comparable to a shotgun's kick? I ask because one of the New England Patriots' End Zone Militia guys, who fire a celebratory volley after every Pats touchdown, said that they have to use double the amount of powder a reenactor would use in order for it to be heard from the cheap seats, and consequently the kick is comparable to that of a shotgun.
@@STho205 yet this was with the ramrod they just didn't notice it not going all the way down. they couldn't get the wad and ball in there without using the ramrod
@@blackjac5000 to firing a 12guage with a slug, not buck or bird shot. Firing blank powder with no wadding rammed down gives a small kickback. Firing blank cartridge and ramming the paper wadding well gives a bit more. About 1/10th of a live round with a minie slug.
Brodericks portrayal of Shaw was so heart felt. Definitely his best role. I cant help tho that sadness on his eyes
It's the haunted look of someone pushed to his limit every minute. In the poem "For the Union Dead," Lowell describes the look on Shaw's face in the memorial statue: :He has an angry wrenlike vigilance, a greyhound's gentle tautness: he seems to wince at pleasure and suffocate for privacy. . . .when he leads his black soldiers to death, he cannot bend his back."
The Colonel was preparing the men for the sound and smell of the battle. The sounds of men yelling, and the noise of the weapons, and the smell of gun powder, and the feeling when the powder burns your eyes. He also was preparing them for the feeling of fear. Better to feel fear before the battle, so you are used to it, and you can deal with it. You freeze up in training you just get yelled at and are subject to P.T. You freeze on the unforgiving battlefield, you get killed and possibly get your brothers next to you killed
RIP Andre Braugher. I first met you as Thomas and you were brilliant.
"Soldier! In an extreme situation, you won't rise to the level of your expectations. You will fall to the level of your training!" -- soviet military poster
True
I'm a grown ass man but the ending of this movie made me cry. Best Civil War movie ever made.
Although, I have to say, the civil war battle scenes in the movie Cold Mountain were pretty impressive.
I'm a newborn baby...slept right through this movie, may have crapped myself...great flick!
Naw, Gettysburg was better! I appreciate the Storico relevance of this movie but I think I passed another movie that is put out to further a racial agenda with African-Americans I think I’m going to puke!
That ending like you say was an emotional one. One of the top three or four civil war movies for sure. My favorites are Gettysburg, Gods and Generals, Glory, Shenandoah, and Andersonville.
Easily the best
I like how the officer fired the revolver to simulate rifle shots in the battlefield he was checking to see if he would break under pressure.
And the poor young man did break under pressure
Nothing gets past you!
@@CanadianPrepper Nope! I’m as sharp as a pumpkin
You get tinnitus and you get tinnitus!
also to harden him for the actual war so he wouldn't make the same mistakes in combat
He genuinely cares. He doesn’t want to see these men die needlessly. He doesn’t see them as inferior and knows their potential
"Teach them properly major."
"As you wish."
When he was saying "as you wish," what he meant was, "I love you."
Glory has so many great performances.
Andre Braugher is great, was sorry to hear about his passing.
It's a beautiful thing to see those guys happy about receiving a weapon. Yes it's government property, but it's their rifle, something that they can call their own and take care of. And it's powerful, it can kill and it can protect their lives. For many of them, it's probably the first time in their life they had something so valuable.
This is my rifle.
There are many like it, but this one is mine...
Nothing instills a sense of freedom in someone greater than when they are finally given them means to defend themselves, rather than relying on someone else.
But you can see how concerned Colonel Shaw is about the number of men who - almost immediately - start treating combat as though it's a game. Morale is all well and good, but a weapon is something which deserves to be treated with a little gravitas.
Technically they are too.
@@Justin-pe9cl what?
Besides the last reflection before battle, when he set his horse free, this was Broderick's best acting in the movie. This scene is also extremely well written, obviously by people that have been in combat or have consulted those that have.
I did not expect Broderick to do a great job with this role and I was very surprised. A perfect choice at the time for a young, pampered intellectual put in charge of something way over his skill and experience...but as a political statement.
The screenplay treated the whole endeavor as an Arthurian Legend.
I didn't expect Mathew Broderick to do a good job either. I say him in a few comedies and thought he was good in those. When I saw he was gonna be in a Civil War movie I was gonna skip it because I didn't think he could pull it off. Then I saw a documentary on the real 54th regiment and the real Col. Shaw and thought they actually nailed it. So I decided to watch that movie and was glad I did
Bueller.. Bueller..
I never had any expectations as I never heard of the movie until it was shown to my 8th grade class back in '91. Pretty sure it was '91 cause I want to say I remember we had to study the ACW in the second half of the school year. Don't remember any TV trailers for it back in '89 and I expect there were but probably not on the channels we watched at the time. Big thing I really remember from 8th is being told we were going to watch the movie and a friend wondering if they were going to show the theatrical release or the cleaned up version that would not contain the cannonball decapitation at the beginning of the movie. Was definately the clean version.
Pretty sure I didn't see "Ferris Bueler's Day Off" until some time after seeing "Glory", and even then it was on TV where it would have been censored and some scenes cu for commercial breaks. Didn't realize that it was the same actor until later. I guess the thing for me at the time was Broderick had a mustache in "Glory" and looked more baby faced without it in "Ferris Bueler's Day Off".
And that's how it was back then, very "clean behind the ears" young and (relatively) inexperienced officer corps having to command large groups of men
@@sulik682 Yes, they were often young, and promoted fast. But men like Shaw had to learn fast on the battlefield, and those who survived learned well. The thing about Shaw in this movie is, this charge is not 'way over his head and experience. He was privileged, but not pampered. He's already a combat veteran, and his upbringing made him acutely aware of the politics involved. When he needed to learn something new, he did.
An untrained regiment like this would be much much more likely to break and retreat leaving gaps in a line. This is why training is important.
Accuracy is not as important as consistent, robotic rate of fire.
A regiment of infantry is an elaborate automatic machine gun, manually worked by massed individuals under skilled commanders.
@@STho205 depends on circumstance. In civil war we had pretty accurate guns, you can probably break a bad regiment with just inaccurate fire but to break a strong regiment you need accurate volley fire mixed with cannon fire, cav or a charge
@@worlore1651 so you've been around as an adult for 160 years huh...the "We had" bit just screams enthusiastic blank fire reenactor.
If you get the range elevation correct you're going to hit someone left or right of your aim. Adjustable incline ladder sights to 1100 yds, but seldom effective for half of that. Windages are typically inches to feet at distance, and these sights were seldom ever "sighted in" for combat regiments. Men are standing 28" on centerline from each other in two ranks.
However with casualty numbers compared to men engaged, most of those balls fell short or went long. Elevation was the biggest error of the line infantryman, vs the sharpshooter (who likely is not using a basic rifle like the Crimea era Enfield).
I'm looking right at my replica I bought in 96 and an antique I have under it on the wall rack.
Keep the powder dry, the caps hot and the smoke flying.
When people who have never been in battle before get shot at for the first time they don't "rise to the occasion".
They fall back to their training.
Exactly why this younger woke generation of kids are unprepared to work real jobs in the world. Instead, they all want to take the perfect selfie.
Ed Zwick re-created the mood and feel of this scene in "The Last Samurai", which was basically Dances With Wolves combined with Glory. All three films were magnificent cinematic achievements, and each was chock full of tragedy (as well as triumph).
Ummm... R.I.P. Andre. 😓
"A good man can fire 3 aimed shots a minute." Now that's soldiering.
shout out to Richard Sharpe
"A good man can fire three aimed shots a minute in any weather."
That's soldiering
@@zegermans750 Sharpe was going to teach them but he didn't have the money to sail on over to the States.
He said "A good man can fire three aimed shots in a minute." Not in any weather. That was the army standard during the Civil War.
@@Agent1W Sharpe predated the civil war.
@@215618680 Old soldiers never die. You knew that. However, they do fade away.
This is one of Broderick's best roles. Besides Ferris Bueller 😂
Also Phillipe the Mouse from LadyHawke
I actually liked him Election too
My Great Great grandfather was in the 26th Wisconsin infantry, mostly consisted of German immigrants. He fought at Missionary Ridge, Chancellorsville, saw action in General Sherman’s army during his famous March through Georgia, and fought at Gettysburg among several other engagements I have forgotten the names of. He was discharged in 65 and died in 1927. Knowing how bloody Gettysburg was, I am amazed he managed to survive.
This is as good as it gets. A crew of men, ready to fight, without knowing the horror that awaits. A man charged with their training and their readiness. And in this scene, the point where these roads cross. Just the best of film.
This scene is very effective - there is a world of difference between shooting a passive target, and shooting in battle.
yeah there is but there is also shooting familiarity. baby steps.
This was Matthew Broderick’s first mature role of his career.
Yeah.. He Always Be a Goofball.
I half expected Wesley to say, "As you wish" when Shaw ordered him to "Teach them properly, Major."
Rapid reloading under stress, without the errors commonly found when weapons of the dead were examined would save the lives of the trainees.
They found weapons that had been loaded ball first, then powder, another ball, more powder, repeat to fill the entire barrel... because a panicked soldier didn't even realize their weapon hadn't been firing.
Could also be an unwillingness to kill.
Very good scene for marksmen in any age. It's easy to sit on a range and take calmly aimed shots. It's another to take shots with your heart pounding, vision narrowing and real fear. To those that train now, hitting a target on a nice day at the range from a comfortable position does NOT make you a good shot. At the very least you need to be doing cardio workouts, practicing stress shoots and shooting under time constraints and stressors.
if you're lucky enough to have land, or a friend with some land, setting up a moving firing range where you can simulate this is a great way to learn how to move with your weapon, aim quickly, and reload while moving
Oddly enough the average number of enemy combatants killed with hand held firearms was actually a lot higher back than it is today despite inferior guns and slower loading times. Artillery, bombs and heavy machine guns do most of the work in modern warfare. Infantry don't kill many people these days so accurate shooting is almost not important. You need them to hold and manage ground, that's about it.
Do a minute of grass drills, go prone with your rifle, and get an accurate shot off within 3 seconds. Increase the number of shots as the first gets better. Good way to work up a sweat and train at the same time.
Make no mistake, he wasn’t pissed at the soldier. He was pissed that the other generals failed to properly prepare him for war
Yes we know that but there was also another look to him of "OMG these men are going to get easily killed in battle if they are not trained right".
This is an important sequence in the film and very well done. Robert realizes his troops, including his two best friends are not ready for what he knows is coming. He has experienced the worst American battle in history at that point at Antietam and he must become a serious commander to his troops and not their friend in order to prevent a massacre which he envisions as they rollick with their new rifles. Broderick and the director communicate all this very subtly at first and then explicitly.
And yet they were massacred just the same.
@@shelbyseelbach9568 That possibility always existed but as a leader he must prepare them for a chance of survival and victory.
@@NewsHistorian So he failed then? "He must become a serious commander to his troops and not their friend in order to prevent a massacre". He didn't prevent the massacre.
@@shelbyseelbach9568 If we're going by the movie, they didn't get massacred in their first battle.
@@FawfulDied And yet they were massacred just the same.
This movie was a childhood favourite and damn does it hold up! Such intense filmmaking and perfect performances from everyone!
Remember watching this for a class, and got to say, my professor has really good taste in movies sometimes.
This was actually a great movie to watch
Despite being a young officer, his high rank and upper class upbringing did not spoil him. Broderick had seen enough battles to know what it takes to be battle ready. This movie shows the best of Matthew Broderick!
Wesley definitely has a different look in this scene. Guess his days from being the Dred Pirates Roberts has... changed.
That’s entirely inconceivable!
@@FranciscoGarcia-tk2go You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means…
But did you know he's not really left handed?
LOVED THIS MOVIE! Matthew Broderick, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington and Carey Elwes. An amazing cast to be sure and their telling of this tale is a tale for the ages!
He knew because he had experienced battle first hand and survived. The rifle range and the battlefield are worlds apart.
We have these recruits who are full of stories and thinking they have a chance to fight for a cause that really matters to their people. They get a weapons and start waving them around, playing soldier and thinking that soon they'll march out and help turn the tide of war. And from their ranks, a crack shot emerges and everyone's morale soars.
And no one is telling them that they are part of an undisciplined, unskilled, and unprepared unit - and if they go to combat then they will all die having achieved nothing of what they hoped to do. So, how do you get this message through to them? You pick out their best and demonstrate to everyone how far below the expectation they really are. It is unkind, but it is fast.
It's also effective
It is not nice but it is kind.
@@amfarrell42 gotta be cruel to be kind; in the right measure
@@missbelled6700 saw what you did there . . . ;)
Just like today, the government lied to these people concerning the cause. The Civil War wasn’t about slavery until half way into it when Lincoln discovered a victory wasn’t as easily accomplished as he had been told. Out of the two sides, only one side, the North, had segregated units and conscripts. The South had blacks volunteer and serve side by side with everyone else.
It’s amazingly sad how Lincoln’s true feelings towards black people have been buried from history. Lincoln was truly a horrible president.
I highly recommend people search for his July 4th speech to congress on his feelings towards slavery. Or the money he petitioned from Congress to ship blacks to the West Indies to work in mines, under the false pretense of “freedom”.
I love how Matthew Broderick looks like innocent child and yet you can feel the respect he exudes.
Well the real person was kinda an innocent child, they Robert Shaw died when he was 25.
This is tough love. Broderick's character has seen war first hand and he wants his men to able to survive.
I love this movie! Late 90s my history teacher played this for our class over 2 days. It still holds up very well
Same. 8th grade US history class.
Some of the best leaders I ever knew, figured out the balance between training and joking. We all want to lean back and talk and tell stories and enjoy a moment during training sessions, but we need to remember why we are there.
Some of my favorite drill sergeants from basic training were the guys that came in late at night and sat down and talked to us after hours. Granted this was three-quarters of the way through and we had already respected the hell out of them at that point, but a handful of them would show up. Every now and then one would come in, sit down and laugh and tell stories and get to know us. Humanized things.
But we never slipped on the training.
The goal is balance, given the severity of the situation.
If he would have replied with "as you wish"......that would have been the best line of dialogue in the movie 🤣
Inconceivable!!!!!!!
“...aaaaasssssss yoooouuuuu wiiiiiisssshhhhhh!” Watch out for the ROUSs!
@@christopherjakel1049
“My name is Inigo Montoya. You keeled my father. Prepare to die!”
@@keirfarnum6811 ROUS's?????
that is just so wrong buhaha
I'll never forget my Dad taking me to see this movie back in 89' and to this day the story still moves me. I later read "One Gallant Rush" shortly after and was further moved by this cinematic masterpiece.
I think it's important to remember that (in the film), Robert basically laid down at Antietam and sort of gave up. He's hard on his men because he's now in a place where he knows that he himself, (and the men he was with) folded in the crunch. His insistence that men be properly trained goes hand-in-hand with the training we see him do, (like the work on horseback cutting the melons and practicing his saberwork). I love this scene because Shaw knows what he hadn't been really ready for himself, and wants to make sure they're ALL ready for what's ahead of them. I don't think the real Shaw had the film version's problem, but I like that film version starts in a place where he doesn't have what it takes to be a good leader, and knows it, but accepts the challenge anyway and becomes a great leader!
So much to appreciate in the scene.
Also love the subtle movements where Broderick gently pushes the end of the rifle away from pointing his direction.
Outstanding scene with these actors.
This movie is one of the best things Matthew Broderick has done and he doesn’t get his due for it.
I saw this film in theatres on its opening week. Absolutely destroyed me. First off, I couldn't believe just how brilliant Broderick was and how seriously he took the role, since I'd only known him from FBDO and Ladyhawke. Secondly, the rest of the cast was clearly exemplary as well--right down to each and every minor supporting role. Thirdly, it was my first introduction to Ed Zwick's work, and when you see and hear more of it in "The Last Samurai", the messages about war being h311 are both unmistakable and riveting.
Finally, R.I.P. Andre Bauer. ⚔️🇱🇷⚔️
Did you catch how smoothly Shaw pushed the barrel of the gun away from his face around the 2:25 minute mark.
This was one of my favorite movies with Matthew Broderick. He is often known for his comedic genius but this shows he is also quite the dramatic actor and his performance in this film was career making.
This reminds me of the scene from the Last Samurai where Tom Cruise's character tells the recruit to load the rifle and shoot him. I would not be surprised if this scene from Glory inspired that scene.
Same director. I think same composer too.
That is a great scene, in a great movie.
The Last Samurai scene you’re referring to, was inspired by this. Glory came out in 1989, The Last Samurai came out in 2003.
@@gallantcavalier3306 Uh... thats what he said buddy?
@@stefanlvkc7986 Nahh, Hans Zimmer for Last Samurai and the one and only James Horner for Glory (RIP).
This scene and the one from The Last Samurai was epic!
Great movie. Too often overlooked for Black History month, and an excellent war movie in its own right.
i believe that BLM/CRT-infested amerika is finally ready for White History Month, and yes, this movie, depicting a war in which hundreds of thousands of 'whites' died, should be shown
Agreed
I love how he’s so passionate about the training; he might look like a jerk here but sending them in to die without proper training is an even bigger jerk move.
"Teach them properly, Major"
"Switching to your pistol is faster than reloading!"
absolutely beautiful movie. It shows that being willing to fight is not the only thing that matters. Those freed man joined to fight for their freedom, and were willing to pay the price, in return, the officer respected them and wanted them to have a proper training.
It’s amazing how soldiers back then were able to get through battles with those weapons
Glory is such a great film. Talented cast, rousing soundtrack, crisp photography and direction. And everyone dies in the end.
Your life, the life of the man next to you, and finally MY life, depends on you learning to do this quickly, correctly, under fire, under stress, and with chaos swirling around you.
Sucks, but there it is.
I feel he COULD have given them that little speech so the Private wasn't just blindsided by the exercise.
Of course we don't really know at what point in their training this was taking place. From the way he says "properly", I would assume he was given some indication the men were nearing "ready".
Having been in the army, with Robert and at Antietam, Forbes should have known how the men needed to use their muskets. I think this scene was probably soon after they received the muskets and Robert caught them fooling around......or just casually shooting. Would think that, as the Colonel, he would have briefed the men as to what kind of training that they were to receive. I've drilled with these muskets; there is 9 motions to be performed and they need to be done precisely and quickly, for the whole unit tobe ready. And the rear rank men need to learn how to position themselves to fire between two men in the front rank.
Speaking as someone currently serving in the American military it's very common for people to teach pressure like this. No warning or briefing (outside of what the proper form is and safety), just suddenly a person yelling at you and putting pressure on you. A lot of times they don't even tell you why they did it afterwards either and it's just left to us to realize it was pressure training. Now it's debatable whether or not this is the best way of training to operate under pressure but it's very accurate during training to just have the trainer come up and blindside you with pressure.
@@alexblake5369 Never having served, so I'm just WAG here, but I would imagine that sudden unannounced pressure training like this and the examples you cited are due to the fact that things can go from normal to crazy pressure very suddenly, and the individual would need to be able to handle the sudden change.
That being said, I have to wonder if this put doubt in the recruits mind.
@@alexblake5369 exactly. In the USCG, drills could pop up at any time. I did a live man overboard drill while giving the base XO a trip on our small boat. I always wanted my crew to be ready.
I've had mixed views about Col Shaw, but this was the one scene I'm glad he did get tough on them. Cause they weren't being properly trained like it's a joke. I admire his kind of leadership.
Morgan Freeman. Such a damn natural talent
I like Freeman in the Shawshank Redemption. ( Red )
Well, God is a wonderful being afterall...
🤣👍
The man rolled 18 on CHA.
Over 100 years later and that officer's uniform still goes hard as ever
The one thing my granpas wanted me to remember in Basic traing was that all of my DI's were once raw green recruits themselves and I told myself this over and over in the first phase of boot
Col. Shaw; 'Teach them properly Major.'
Wesley: 'As you wish.'
0:07 everytime I pull my enfield out of it's sleeve I quote Mr. Freeman.
So badass!!!
"Best in the world there boy...."
It's a cool scene. Has a bit of modern army in it to allow the audience to relate.
The 53pattern was pretty standard in Europe but outdated. Developed for their last major war.
He was reading the top of barrel Pedersoli (or ArmiSport) serial number thats printed with the ATF Black Powder required signage. The Crowne and Tower muskets didn't have that atop the barrel, nor the 1853 Enfield on the lock plate.
Modern issue does have such serial numbers in plain sight. I removed mine along with the bluing back in 2000 after 3 years. Stamped it with the inspectors marks and a few other historic mods. 10 years of looking at it, I just went for it.
Great rifle though. They shoot pretty straight past 100 yds.
BTW this was a fun set, though the hours were quite long.
It's a solid quote.
Good leadership on display. Not just trying to be a jerk, but creating a clear example to everyone of why they need proper training and to take combat seriously.
This lesson is proven to work as the same guy who couldn’t reload under pressure of simulated fire, would be able to load under the stress of live fire and an enemy charging him with a bayonet.
This is also a lesson for Wesley (I forgot the character’s name in Glory) as an officer it his his job to maintain order between rank and file while teaching training that could keep these men alive. It is also a lesson in not becoming too familiar with the enlisted.
Morgan Freeman’s character quickly learns this lesson but also in-turn learns something about his commanding officer: he cares about his men.
This is what makes him approachable after Washington’s character was whipped for desertion - judging Freeman’s character, he would never approached him if he didn’t know the officer cared, even with their shared past
It's been over 20 years so I can't pretend that I remember Cary Elwes's character name either. That said, a quick combo of IMDb and Google and may I present to you one Major Cabot Forbes.
@@christopherjakel1049 Oh same, I've seen this movie before and I don't think I remembered that it was Cary Elwes lol. I just barely pointed out to my sister, "Huh- Westley is in Glory!"
This was tough love but it was necessary. This moment right here, saved that soldier's life in the battlefield!
Great movie. I used to show it to my history classes. Nick picking here, but the first round fired from the Colt was about 4 inches from the recruits' ear. In the real world, if that revolver contained a full powder charge, not only is the recruit probably deaf but burned. And the angle of the revolver approaches 45 degrees on the last rounds in a crowded camp. I had the privilege of meeting some of the reinactors that were involved in the filming. Authenticity was stressed, right down to the bat and ball in the baseball game. Magnificent job overall, but Hollywood went a little overboard here illustrating the important point he was trying to make.
Agreed. A flaw you have to overlook in an otherwise brilliant scene.
War takes a toll on soldiers' hearing. In a Civil War battle, one might have dozens of one's comrades right next to you all firing multiple volleys. Veterans of those commented on the tremendous gunfire noise that made it difficult to hear anything else.
It is spelled nitpicking, not nick picking. Cannot take your point seriously about inaccuracies when you leave such a glaring mistake.
I grew up in Mobile Al where there are still Civil War forts on the beaches. I remember as a teen finding Civil War era bullets in the sands of Dauphin Island. Just thought I would share a little. I love this friggin movie.
Notice how Shaw commends Jupiter for being a great shot, asks him if he's ever killed a man, and he says "no" - this was setting up a cut scene later in the movie where Jupiter uses his skill as a sniper and gets that first Confederate kill he's wanted since he signed up. After seeing the soldier get hit, he runs eagerly across the field to exult in his kill the way a hunter would who's just taken down a big buck - he rolls the dead Confederate over, and in the moonlight he sees the lifeless face of an innocent-looking white boy, probably just sixteen years old, with a sparse goatee he was trying to grow, who probably didn't even understand the politics of the war. His comrades slap Jupiter on the back in congratulation, but he's realized there's no glory in war, only loss of life and the suffering of their mothers.
And that's the irony inherent in the title of the movie...
It's a helluva thing, killing a man. You take away all he's got... and all he's ever gonna have.
-William Munny
When it comes to training scenes, I scale from Gods and Generals (Colonel Ames, 20th Maine and a veteran of First Bull Run/Manassas, calmly demonstrating) at the bottom to this scene (Colonel Shaw, 54th Massachusetts and a veteran of Antietam, firing next to his men while yelling) in the middle to Last Samurai (Captain Algren, veteran of both the Civil War and Indian Wars now training the Imperial Army of Japan, shooting at his men) at the top. As a Texan who hunts, I can understand the feeling of getting your first gun and becoming a gitty as a child. I also see how a veteran of one of the bloodiest battles of the war at that point wants his men to understand war is not a game.
Reminds me of that scene in The Last Samurai where Captain Nathan Algren demonstrated how ill prepared the Japanese soldiers were when they were told they were going to be deployed...
Both scenes were great. Movies borrow from eachother all the time. Harry Potter is star wars with wands.
Same director
Love the detail of Morgan Freeman’s head dropping in the background after he hears “Teach them PROPERLY, Major.” He dug the graves at Antietam, and realizes what a shame it is to be flippant about training. Same with the rage in Andre Braugher’s eyes as looks directly at the Major.
I always liked this scene because it showed what a veteran knows versus what a very very green soldier knows.
Love the historical note that Sharles was using his wrong eye. He wasn't trained like a soldier but still had the accuracy.
I read some criticism about how the film was seen through the eyes of Broderick, and not one of the soldiers. But, I feel that seeing the soldiers, through the leader’s eyes, shows us the crucial elements. Of how he grew to respect and see the individuality in each of his soldiers. That these men, who had been beaten down all their lives, were still willing to give everything for a country that didn’t deserve their courage.
America did deserve their courage. Their service could not be barred from her. How did you miss the movie's fundamental premise. It's literally called "Glory".
Anyways, spot on about the colonel's perspective being the more important and nuanced.
@Marius This is a truly bananas take. The country, including at this very moment in time in the film, had no legal problem with Slavery. The country, from its inception, accepted that a slave was less than a man. The country, from its founding, accepted the idea of owning another person as property. You don't have to pretend things that are untrue about the U.S..
@@dansimpable Don't ignore that every country ever existed has had slaves
@@DHGxMcFlurry that is demonstrably false. Like, really, really bad take. You should maybe take a minute to see how many countries didn't even come into existence until the 20th century.
@@dansimpable You're wrong
1:20 Ik this ain’t what he thinking, but the way Broderick looks at the black men with guns is so funny. It looks like he’s thinking “my god”
This scene stayed with me forever
This scene was a sick foreshadowing of them all dying in the end
This scene stuck with me since I was 7 and it forever imprinted upon me a doctrine of readiness in all forms of training. For myself and those I am responsible for.
This scene definitely shows how Col. Robert Gould Shaw a veteran Antetiem wanted his men trained for war, not labor parties.
Antietam
I honestly think this is the only movie Ive ever seen actually show anykind of equipment accountability where as each man gets a rifle, it's serial number is written next to his name
Thats because clerical work isnt really that good for cinematic storytelling, in addition to something that everyone both the office worker and the soldier can relate to. Its pretty hard to make filling spreadsheets and typing reports exciting. Even the Taliban got depressed about clerical work after they retook Afghanistan, and they can be REALLY exciting (for lack of a better word)
@DrSabot-A i did find that funny seeing taliban complaining on twitter about how they missed the war because now most of them had to either join their new formal military or go get regular jobs
Training for war is deadly serious.
This is such an underrated movie....
Tough love, mad respect. He wasn't being mean, he wanted to see them live.
So many people with their emotions and sentiments are absolutely worthless during a crisis, and for your info a war front is a non-stop crisis. Hence the PTSD rates.
When shit hits the fan you have to be able to move fluidly under distress, otherwise your guaranteed dead. It's why when people freeze, they die.
Don't shy away from guns, the concept of violence, the unavoidable nature of death itself. Embrace it all and if you are ever forced to confront it you might just make it out alive. And if not, you might be able to make your death worth something on the way out.
I remember watching this movie in High School. It was freaking amazing
This is might seem mean, but its actually a valuable lesson, if you arn't use to being in battle, it is a completely different then just shooting bottles or hunting. too many people think its easy or no big deal. Talk to any vet willing to talk about the 1st time they were in a fire fight.
its called adrenaline. it screws up your reactions. takes focused will to get your fine motor control to work properly
No it makes perfect sense. At this time, on the battlefield, the difference between being able to effectively fire three shots a minute vs one was absolutely the difference between life and death.
True
The colonel is exactly the type of commanding officer who I would want in the military! The colonel genuinely cares about the men serving under him. He also knew from his own combat experience that if his men weren't properly trained, then they would be slaughtered if they were ordered into a battle.
One of the best movies ever
By this time, Shaw had seen real combat. he knew what he was talking about.
I still think it’s wild that some
Of those shots from the revolver went straight up. I’m a few mins those bullets will come down within the regiment’s camp. Guess the 1860s was a wild time .
And? The speed with which they are falling from the sky is nowhere the speed at which they left the barrel of the gun...AKA nowhere near fatal...
@@codymoe4986 Seriously? People have died from idiots firing guns in the air!
@@codymoe4986 Plenty of people have been killed by bullets falling from the sky after people fired their weapons in the air. Do some basic research before embarrassing yourself again trying to be a smartass you clown 🤡.
@@benadam7753 pointed tips compared to round balls
@@benadam7753 Name them...
Precisely the point.
You can be great with a gun but not skilled in combat situations. I always humbly remember this at the range