@@Retoxxxxxx I wish they would have had Sgt. William Carney in this movie. It seems like they put pieces of Carney in Denzels Character, but Carney's story doesn't end in tragedy that's for sure! Trip went down with the flag at fort Wagner. Carney grabbed the flag, got shot then lead the charge up the hill to the fort. He planted the flag at the top and went to work, ralling everyone to a safe spot to continue the attack. They were eventually pushed back out of the fort but Sgt. Carney, already wounded, ran back up the hill to save the flag and got shot again. He made it back to his men saying "the old flag never touched the ground boys!". He was awarded the medal of honor for his actions at fort Wagner. They put a small direct easter egg ode to Carney in the movie during the Wagner battle at the end. After they storm the fort, you can see a man waving the American flag screaming "RALLY! RALLY!" prompting the 54th to form a firing line to deal with a counter attack. That was Sgt. William Carney.
@@PhillipV-qm4mf interesting story that of Sgt. Carney. I think I watched sonewhere in a documentary about the 54th that he crawled with one knee back to Federal lines. His famous photo of him with the regimental flag and crutches comes to mind!
Guys with glasses are stereotypically the most bullied, and he got bullied by everyone. Of course he needs to harness his repressed rage, especially in war.
Best part is that when they are allowed to fire at will, Jimhi Kennedy fires the first round. The dude who got so frazzled in training got it together.
Also pretty unrealistic to order a cavalry charge at the front of a firing line. You have a wall of men, armed with guns and bayonets. To charge directly is suicide. Cavalry is supposed to be used to break up enemy lines, preferably from the back or the flanks. To attack the front will do little else than rid you of your cavalry. A good commander would use his infantry to lock the enemy infantry then use cavalry to flank them, break up the line and force them to retreat. It's not easy, as a good commander can spot the weak flank and reinforce it, which prevents the cavalry from breaking the firing line, but it is so effective that it was used for over 2000 years. This tactic was even used as recently as the 1940's with tanks.
@erichvondonitz5325 agreed. They already defeated the white union troops and probably saw the black union troops and thought if we charge them and use the rebel yell those former slaves will run like hell. Little did they know many black union troops if not all were tough as nails and didn't mind fighting until the end as they knew what retreat or capture meant for them.
They were already committed to chasing down the broken union line. The 54th was just forming up into line. In all honesty, breaking their momentum to turn around would have maximized the chance of the 54th doing what they eventually did. Going in full tilt maximized the chance of breaking through a hastily organized defense line (who did not have bayonets affixed at the time). The rebels took a gamble and lost.
the 54th who survived these battles, many came out to Montana Territory after the war, & named Fort Shaw in honor of their colonel, who died in battle beside them
At 3:33 the soldier reloading is the same soldier shaw would fire his weapon at the air and yell "FASTER" due to the fact he was a good shot but was not being properly trained. Officers teach soldiers how to survive.
For those spewing revisionist history. The 54th Massachusetts Infantry suffered 43 casualties at James Island repelling Confederate advances until the 10th Connecticut could withdraw. The fighting depicted in the flim seems pretty accurate. The Confederates suffered 18 casualties on paper. But those numbers are debatable. The Confederacy was notorious for downplaying their losses to Black troops.
Насколько мне известно армия южан состояла из фермеров которые постоянно отстаивали своё имущество с оружием в руках, и к тому же они регулярно выходили на охоту. То есть оружием пользоваться умели. А вот в армию северян набирали в основном рабочих и городскую бедноту которые кроме как воровать да попрошайничать более ничего не умели, шутка.
Off of knowing nothing of this battle, I whole heartedly dispute this. Reason is, why would the Confederate numbers be a more popular figure of the battle than the Union numbers? If the Confederacy was notorious for downplaying losses to black troops, then wouldn't the Union be promoting the opposite? I would take the Union figures, and the Confederate figures, and draw a line somewhere in between.
So I looked up the real battle of James Island and it was quite...underwhelming compared to what is portrayed here. 14 Union troops were killed while only 3 Confederates were killed. The skirmish was more of a minor inconvenience for both sides.
@@jacobs2099 I mean maybe the size of the opposing forces is correct, doesn't look like a full army for neither the Union nor the Confederates, but the massacre and decisive victory shown here was a little more murky in real life. Like I said 3 Rebels were killed and 14 Yankees. Here you see the ground littered with bodies.
Yes and here it is depicted as a major battle, where the Yankees and their black soldiers win of course, leaving the place littered with dead Confederate bodies. In reality 14 Union troops killed and only 3 confederates killed. Typical Hollywood bullshit!
The scene shown here doesn't show the whole event of the battle. The Confederates have already driven back most of the Union Forces. The scene shown here is when the 54th Massachussetts arrives on the field to act as rearguard action to cover the retreating white regiment of the 10th Conneticut. The 54th suffered about 10 men dead and thirty wounded.
La verdad que esa escena me tenía confundido, ya que había notado también esa particularidad en cuestión. Pero imagino que son licencias de Hollywood, mi estimado señor.
I’m pretty sure they should’ve had them fixed when the cavalry charge because if they continued their charge they could’ve easily broke the line but if bayonets were fixed cavalry are less likely to charge into a line also cavalry would’ve still charged the like because even then lines are vulnerable as charging horses can still go through a wall of men and steel if it was going fast enough of course forming square is impossible in wooded area but cavalry actually rarely fought in heavily wooded areas and the terrain would limit their effectiveness but glory is still a pretty good movie and while not 100% historically accurate it’s still pretty good
yea silly continuity error the only thing i can think of is that they were not allowed to have bayonets fixed when the actors were loading the blank rounds out of fear they would slice their hands open.
So what exactly did you learn from this? This isn't a question to attack you, I'm just curious as to what High Schools talked about in 2010 when it came to this subject. It was always a interest of mine that did not get talked about in HS, oddly.
@@Retoxxxxxx even in the deep south this was shown, and if your teacher wasn't a racist, they talked about the brutality of war and how much of an effect the surge of manpower from the newly freed and allowed to enlist black community was for the Northern forces.
This is one of my all time favorite films about The American Civil War. So close to the real story of this regiment. The cast was well chosen because we have Simba and Robin Hood.
Watch Gettysburg or even better read The Killer Angels...this is a good movie but not a lot more historical than Braveheart) which has the record for getting Everything wrong... from the title to the finish... when was the bridge)
I think it was the 2nd time I watched Glory that I noticed that little glitch. Insert quick cutscene of Broderick-Shaw yelling "Fix Bayonets" + brief close up view of dark skinned hand fitting bayonet onto musket barrel = problem fixed.
Now that you point that out most of the soldiers had their guns loaded too, even though they were not given the order to load nor did they have time to load before the melee began.
The editor thought "Will anyone care if we edit out the shot of a closeup of a guy meticulously attaching a bayonet? Nah probably not. This is the year 1989 after all, when nerds are still oppressed and silent, and probably will be forever, unless technology somehow allows them to complain anonymously without fear of reprisal."
Yeah his arc was well done. You might get the impression he's overly harsh and hard on the troops but it wasn't out of animosity or personal dislike. He had to toughen them up quickly and get them prepared to face battle hardened veteran confederate troops who would actually have animosity and personal dislike of them even more so than other union soldiers.
2:45 I hate it, when a film throws me out of immersion because the editor didn't see, that they suddenly have their bajonets ready, but just moments before they hadn't... Just a simple scene with putting the bajonets on would have saved the immersion... How could they miss that, such a good film with great scenes, but this is hard to believe they ruined this one...
Maybe, but even if they had to do it due to studio rules, this seems to be ridiculous... 5 more seconds with the order "fix bayonet" and a close up of a bayonet fixed...
@@danielscrimgeour8812 Ah, yes... but they didn't at this time and can't be seen at any time doing so... and even this order sounded like some random guy said it out to himself, this wasn't a shouted officers order and it hasn't been recalled by the soldiers to make the order clear...
@@That_hobby_guy_uk Braveheart has the Battle of Stirling Bridge but without the bridge, the Scots capturing York which absolutely did not happen, Wallace sleeping with the Queen of England which is laughable and Mel inventing the Scottish use of the long spear formation or schilton. Wallace didn't invent it, they'd been using that tactic for a very long time. An absolute work of fiction and just an excuse for the nasty anti Semite Gibson to yet again have a go at the English. See also "The Patriot".
It’s hard to imagine there was a time in historical warfare we went from an idea of “put as much protection on our guys as humanly possible” to “put on this blue shirt so we can id your body easier.”
Yes, it's absurd. Then again, there just wasn't anything they could have worn back then to stop a Minie ball. As for cover, well, like WWI the tactics hadn't caught up to the weapons.
Bullets would go through armor, Guns produced so much smoke that it made things difficult to see in, and their range and accuracy were awfull. Thats why you needed the bright reds and blues to dress in to make sure your guys dont put a bullet in you.
In case there is any confusion, this scene is not depicting the Battle of James Island (which involved the 55th Massachusetts Colored Regiment), but rather the Battle of Grimball's Landing. An excerpt from the Wikipedia page on the battle: "Meanwhile, the Confederates moved against James Island. On July 16, they attacked, with the goal of encircling and destroying a part of the Union forces there. The men of the 10th Connecticut Infantry were in an exposed position, and in jeopardy of being cut off. The Confederate efforts to get around them were checked by the men of the 54th Massachusetts, who rebuffed a series of attacks while the 10th Connecticut was withdrawn.[3] The 54th suffered 43 casualties, with 14 killed, 17 wounded, and 12 others lost to capture, but the 10th Connecticut was saved.[4] The following day the Union forces were pulled off the island.[5] This battle was the first engagement of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment.[6]"
I used to live literally across the street/probably on top of part of this battlefield. Used to turn around at the old earthworks from one of the artillery batteries when out jogging.
This scene does a good job of showing a “minor” battle in the woods, distinct from the famous battlefields like Gettysburg. If you’re the man in it, any battle is a big one.
If charged by the enemy, though, a countercharge was imperative. One couldn't just stand, b/c the enemy line would hit yours with force (momentum), probably just bowling it over. One couldn't withdraw -- the result would be a rout. One couldn't change front or stand aside. Counter-charge was the only way to even the odds.
Still can’t believe an old classmate of mine is in a play with Matthew Broderick right now 😭❤️❤️. Freaking surreal. Go check out “Babbitt” starring the Matthew Broderick! And my good ole friend Sam Rodd. It’s pretty good I hear! If only I could see it…
@@sweeeetteeeeth Don't think so. Just watch the sequence. They seem to reload and fire at will witout fixed bayonets, then the Confederates charge and they counter charge with bayonets fixed this time.
Just watching this movie i leanred that at the beginning of the war both sides drilled constantly and were taught how to properly load and shoot a musket. And they had eto learn to load and shoot as quick as possible when they were under fire. Col shaw was telling the men of the 54th that a good man can average 3 shots per minute. It was important they learned properly and quickly.
The commanding officer did not issue the order to reload after the smoke cleared up, allowing the enemy to get within range and fire first. The interchange of lead that followed would have been by rank, not by platoon and in the end he didnt even order to FIX bayonets!!! You can clearly see it jump from scene to scene. That captain would have been in a lot of trouble today 😂
Apparently they cut this one together weird, using different takes that weren't perfectly in continuity. It's not a big deal, since you'd need multiple watches to catch any errors and for the most part none are really egregious. I do wish we'd gotten the "Fix bayonets!" command, it's always a highlight.
Great illustration of the importance of practical effects and analog equipment in creating proper atmosphere in historical film/fiction. It makes even this naive and subpar action scene look excellent.
This was actually part of the Battle of Grimball's Landing and it ultimately was a Confederate victory with the Union forces unable to take Battery Wagner the Union forces were forced to withdrawl.
I collect replica flags and the units number is on the battle flag. I found a real confederate flag at an antique mall that looked similar for a Cummings Georgia unit. Had the unit number and was a battle flag exactly like this. By 1863 units began to adopt it.
I remember this movie from a long time ago and I haven't seen it lately but I do remember after watching this scene I always wondered why instead of letting the men celebrate the officers didn't order reload of the rifles because that Calvary Rush was not going to be the only bit of combat
As much as I actually enjoyed the scene in actuality the casualties were seeing in this one they make it look like there’s more, but however, that really wasn’t the case in real life. Anybody can look up this battle and yeah, this is completely inaccurate.
This scene right here is exactly what America is all about. Foreign powers will do what they do. But all they really have to do is fallback and let us do ourselves in. Because history has recorded that we do that very well. And will most likely do it again in the very near future.
This is stirring stuff and the film holds together well. However.... It wasn't until Truman's executive order in 1948 that an end to segregation in the forces became a possibility. It didn't become a reality (of sorts) until huge losses in Korea made it a pragmatic solution in 1951. And the US is still struggling to live up to its fantasy of being the Land of the Free. 😮
En un momento de disparar los soldados de la Unión no tenian la bayoneta fijada. Pero al momentos de la carga en unos segundos ya avanzaban con la bayoneta puesta
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At 2:42 the 54th Massachusetts have their bayonets fixed, then they don't at 2:43, then they do again at 2:44, and we never actually see the soldiers fix bayonets. Soldiers during the Civil War would've only put their bayonets on their rifles on command when they were about to charge or be charged by the enemy. I believe this was all a simple editing mistake and showing them fixing bayonets would've affected pacing, but history buffs likely would call this out.
It's been years since I've seen the whole movie so could someone tell me if this clip was edited? They went from firing where practically no one had bayonets to charging where practically everyone had one on. Did someone cut a few seconds where they were given the order and did it or did Hollywood really goof on that one.
I know this is gonna sound ignorant of me but isn’t there more tactical way of fighting on both sides? Or was there rules in place of how battles were done?
This battle was definitely Hollywooded up like most war movies, ive read battlefield reports fro the civil war where both sides fired at each other for an hour and nobody died, others where they confronted each other and both sides retreated. Some battles early in the war both sides where so closely uniformed and the flags looked so alike they would nearly march right on top of one another before realizing it was the enemy. Cavalry would not charge into infantry head on formed in line in the woods. If that actually happened the Confederate commander was an idiot. I doubt either side would sit there and wait until the enemy loaded and presented to fire before firing themselves, confederates where notorious for bayonet charges but I dont think they would rely on that after just a few volleys. Still a great movie though I always enjoy it every time I see it.
La escena tiene un gran fallo,los rebeldes avanzan disparando y a bayoneta calada los de la Unión no tienen bayonetas luego viene la carga y no tendrian tiempo de calar bayonetas,fallaron ahí.
@@lukeskywanker7839 The video above is Grimball’s Landing lmao, it wasn’t even a proper battle but an engagement to allow infantry to evacuate. Every other battle they were in were Confederate victories💀
@@440SixPackEFI "While the Battle of Fort Wagner itself was not a decisive military victory for the Union, it is considered a turning point in the Civil War because the heroic charge of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, an African American unit, significantly boosted the Union's recruitment of Black soldiers, adding a substantial number of troops to their ranks and demonstrating the bravery of African American fighters, which helped to further the cause of abolition" - I wouldn't call it a defeat if it was a major turning point for the Union. The 54th literally was one of the major units that turned the war in favor of the union.
@@lukeskywanker7839 The 54th was only major for being an All-Black unit, and they still had a bad engagement record. If you were speaking of symbolic importance yeah, appealing heavily to abolition movements and freedmen troops. There's a plethora of battles, campaigns and advantages to the military and its' logistics that won the war for the North. A freedmen unit is not that lmao
Insanity total Insanity, to think another group of men, if U could call them that, would actually DIE, give their Life’s Blood, to keep another race on their knees= Incredible!
By 1864 a number of Confederate generals, seeing what the Afro-American soldiers were capable of suggested to President Davis that slaves should be given the opportunity to be given their freedom if they would join the Confederate army. President Davis was shocked by this suggestion but by 1865 he relented and agreed to this but by then it was too late
I love how the dude in the glasses was the “weakest link” but he got the most bayonet kills. Let all that anger out my good man!
All that training and built up anger finally came out! Thomas was my favorite followed by Denzels character.
@@Retoxxxxxx I wish they would have had Sgt. William Carney in this movie. It seems like they put pieces of Carney in Denzels Character, but Carney's story doesn't end in tragedy that's for sure! Trip went down with the flag at fort Wagner.
Carney grabbed the flag, got shot then lead the charge up the hill to the fort. He planted the flag at the top and went to work, ralling everyone to a safe spot to continue the attack. They were eventually pushed back out of the fort but Sgt. Carney, already wounded, ran back up the hill to save the flag and got shot again.
He made it back to his men saying "the old flag never touched the ground boys!". He was awarded the medal of honor for his actions at fort Wagner.
They put a small direct easter egg ode to Carney in the movie during the Wagner battle at the end. After they storm the fort, you can see a man waving the American flag screaming "RALLY! RALLY!" prompting the 54th to form a firing line to deal with a counter attack. That was Sgt. William Carney.
@@PhillipV-qm4mf interesting story that of Sgt. Carney. I think I watched sonewhere in a documentary about the 54th that he crawled with one knee back to Federal lines. His famous photo of him with the regimental flag and crutches comes to mind!
Guys with glasses are stereotypically the most bullied, and he got bullied by everyone. Of course he needs to harness his repressed rage, especially in war.
Holt got no chill
Best part is that when they are allowed to fire at will, Jimhi Kennedy fires the first round. The dude who got so frazzled in training got it together.
I’m reminded why there are so few if any cavalry charges in a forest.
Trees, bushes, roots, holes, and branches made any charge near impossible
yep...
Also pretty unrealistic to order a cavalry charge at the front of a firing line. You have a wall of men, armed with guns and bayonets. To charge directly is suicide.
Cavalry is supposed to be used to break up enemy lines, preferably from the back or the flanks. To attack the front will do little else than rid you of your cavalry.
A good commander would use his infantry to lock the enemy infantry then use cavalry to flank them, break up the line and force them to retreat. It's not easy, as a good commander can spot the weak flank and reinforce it, which prevents the cavalry from breaking the firing line, but it is so effective that it was used for over 2000 years. This tactic was even used as recently as the 1940's with tanks.
@@magnusbjarni The only explanation I could think of is just confederates being confident that the black troops would be easily broken
@erichvondonitz5325 agreed. They already defeated the white union troops and probably saw the black union troops and thought if we charge them and use the rebel yell those former slaves will run like hell. Little did they know many black union troops if not all were tough as nails and didn't mind fighting until the end as they knew what retreat or capture meant for them.
They were already committed to chasing down the broken union line. The 54th was just forming up into line. In all honesty, breaking their momentum to turn around would have maximized the chance of the 54th doing what they eventually did. Going in full tilt maximized the chance of breaking through a hastily organized defense line (who did not have bayonets affixed at the time). The rebels took a gamble and lost.
the 54th who survived these battles, many came out to Montana Territory after the war, & named Fort Shaw in honor of their colonel, who died in battle beside them
rightfully so, the DoD should have thought to name a Post after Col Shaw a couple years back...
At 3:33 the soldier reloading is the same soldier shaw would fire his weapon at the air and yell "FASTER" due to the fact he was a good shot but was not being properly trained. Officers teach soldiers how to survive.
Tom cruise did that too
@breadtoasted2269 yeah I know in the last samurai, the guy who directed glory is the same guy who directed that movie
Officer:Fire at will!!
That one guy named Will:Hey what did I do?
But the strangest thing is Will made it out alive.................
I love that joke.
@@mrphatmunkeyspew6969where there’s a will there’s a way
“Which one is Will?!” 😂 💀
Will said "F**K, that's not fair Sir"
For those spewing revisionist history. The 54th Massachusetts Infantry suffered 43 casualties at James Island repelling Confederate advances until the 10th Connecticut could withdraw. The fighting depicted in the flim seems pretty accurate. The Confederates suffered 18 casualties on paper. But those numbers are debatable. The Confederacy was notorious for downplaying their losses to Black troops.
False
@LX.Zandaaa62 "False"
What's false?
Насколько мне известно армия южан состояла из фермеров которые постоянно отстаивали своё имущество с оружием в руках, и к тому же они регулярно выходили на охоту. То есть оружием пользоваться умели. А вот в армию северян набирали в основном рабочих и городскую бедноту которые кроме как воровать да попрошайничать более ничего не умели, шутка.
Off of knowing nothing of this battle, I whole heartedly dispute this. Reason is, why would the Confederate numbers be a more popular figure of the battle than the Union numbers? If the Confederacy was notorious for downplaying losses to black troops, then wouldn't the Union be promoting the opposite? I would take the Union figures, and the Confederate figures, and draw a line somewhere in between.
@@serjant6478kindly stop trolling the US with nonsense. Plenty of Union troopers knew how to shoot.
So I looked up the real battle of James Island and it was quite...underwhelming compared to what is portrayed here. 14 Union troops were killed while only 3 Confederates were killed. The skirmish was more of a minor inconvenience for both sides.
Honestly looks about right. This is just a skirmish, specifically in the context of the Civil War.
@@jacobs2099 I mean maybe the size of the opposing forces is correct, doesn't look like a full army for neither the Union nor the Confederates, but the massacre and decisive victory shown here was a little more murky in real life. Like I said 3 Rebels were killed and 14 Yankees. Here you see the ground littered with bodies.
Revisionist history. Just tell the real story
Yes and here it is depicted as a major battle, where the Yankees and their black soldiers win of course, leaving the place littered with dead Confederate bodies. In reality 14 Union troops killed and only 3 confederates killed. Typical Hollywood bullshit!
The scene shown here doesn't show the whole event of the battle. The Confederates have already driven back most of the Union Forces. The scene shown here is when the 54th Massachussetts arrives on the field to act as rearguard action to cover the retreating white regiment of the 10th Conneticut. The 54th suffered about 10 men dead and thirty wounded.
No bayonets and then by magic bayonets fitted.
La verdad que esa escena me tenía confundido, ya que había notado también esa particularidad en cuestión. Pero imagino que son licencias de Hollywood, mi estimado señor.
@@juanmanuelparadacontreras9565 I was just going to comment about the magical bayonets
I've watched this movie countless times since it's release and I never noticed that before! Lol nice one
I’m pretty sure they should’ve had them fixed when the cavalry charge because if they continued their charge they could’ve easily broke the line but if bayonets were fixed cavalry are less likely to charge into a line also cavalry would’ve still charged the like because even then lines are vulnerable as charging horses can still go through a wall of men and steel if it was going fast enough of course forming square is impossible in wooded area but cavalry actually rarely fought in heavily wooded areas and the terrain would limit their effectiveness but glory is still a pretty good movie and while not 100% historically accurate it’s still pretty good
yea silly continuity error the only thing i can think of is that they were not allowed to have bayonets fixed when the actors were loading the blank rounds out of fear they would slice their hands open.
I love this movie back in my days of My High School in 2010’s because I was good at learning about U.S. Military History Timeline
they were showing us this in irish secondary school in the early 2000s lol.
Nice to see this in high quality.
So what exactly did you learn from this? This isn't a question to attack you, I'm just curious as to what High Schools talked about in 2010 when it came to this subject. It was always a interest of mine that did not get talked about in HS, oddly.
@@Retoxxxxxx idk about the op but our history teacher just wanted to show us a very good war movie lol.
@@RetoxxxxxxDidn’t you meant 2010’s
@@Retoxxxxxx even in the deep south this was shown, and if your teacher wasn't a racist, they talked about the brutality of war and how much of an effect the surge of manpower from the newly freed and allowed to enlist black community was for the Northern forces.
This is one of my all time favorite films about The American Civil War. So close to the real story of this regiment. The cast was well chosen because we have Simba and Robin Hood.
Watch Gettysburg or even better read The Killer Angels...this is a good movie but not a lot more historical than Braveheart) which has the record for getting Everything wrong... from the title to the finish... when was the bridge)
I love this movie. But, in this scene, when was the order to "fix bayonets" given?
I thought the same thing they just suddenly appeared
I think it was the 2nd time I watched Glory that I noticed that little glitch.
Insert quick cutscene of Broderick-Shaw yelling "Fix Bayonets" + brief close up view of dark skinned hand fitting bayonet onto musket barrel = problem fixed.
During editing.
Now that you point that out most of the soldiers had their guns loaded too, even though they were not given the order to load nor did they have time to load before the melee began.
The editor thought "Will anyone care if we edit out the shot of a closeup of a guy meticulously attaching a bayonet? Nah probably not. This is the year 1989 after all, when nerds are still oppressed and silent, and probably will be forever, unless technology somehow allows them to complain anonymously without fear of reprisal."
0:44 the cavalry saying woooooo got me😂
Got the Rick Flair thing going 😂
Woooooooooooooo!
The good ol rebel yell ❤
That's Indian cry right?
@@NagvanshieusMostly some Yee Yee’s from southerners, although there were Cherokee Confederate volunteers.
Still one of my favorite movies ever.
Same.
Sergeant Major Mulcahy did am outstanding job training and preparing the men for combat!!
Yeah his arc was well done. You might get the impression he's overly harsh and hard on the troops but it wasn't out of animosity or personal dislike. He had to toughen them up quickly and get them prepared to face battle hardened veteran confederate troops who would actually have animosity and personal dislike of them even more so than other union soldiers.
@@harryp.nesspraisegod4033 I remember reading that the person he was based on had also been a veteran of the Mexican War
@@SomeBody-rm6hf Thank you for telling me that.
One of the best movies of all time.
I've watched this movie many times. Still trying to figure out which one is Will! Just the same, what a GREAT movie!
2:45 I hate it, when a film throws me out of immersion because the editor didn't see, that they suddenly have their bajonets ready, but just moments before they hadn't... Just a simple scene with putting the bajonets on would have saved the immersion... How could they miss that, such a good film with great scenes, but this is hard to believe they ruined this one...
I noticed that too but whatever editors
Could have been studio interference. Studios want movies under a certain length and that could have been a scene they cut.
Maybe, but even if they had to do it due to studio rules, this seems to be ridiculous... 5 more seconds with the order "fix bayonet" and a close up of a bayonet fixed...
@@Microbe1972 fix bayonets can be heard at 1:49
@@danielscrimgeour8812 Ah, yes... but they didn't at this time and can't be seen at any time doing so... and even this order sounded like some random guy said it out to himself, this wasn't a shouted officers order and it hasn't been recalled by the soldiers to make the order clear...
1:35 always gets me 😂🤣🤣
It’s really a treat when old school battle scenes like this are done well. Glory, The Patriot, Braveheart. Just great battle scenes.
Braveheart is not well done at all a complete work of fiction 😂
@@That_hobby_guy_uk Braveheart has the Battle of Stirling Bridge but without the bridge, the Scots capturing York which absolutely did not happen, Wallace sleeping with the Queen of England which is laughable and Mel inventing the Scottish use of the long spear formation or schilton. Wallace didn't invent it, they'd been using that tactic for a very long time. An absolute work of fiction and just an excuse for the nasty anti Semite Gibson to yet again have a go at the English. See also "The Patriot".
@@That_hobby_guy_uk The Patriot is almost as bad!!
@That_hobby_guy_uk Yes, they missed the bit where Wallace makes a scabbard out of a man's skin.
You should watch Gettysburg. It’s outstanding
It’s hard to imagine there was a time in historical warfare we went from an idea of “put as much protection on our guys as humanly possible” to “put on this blue shirt so we can id your body easier.”
The British were even worse bright red uniforms
@@AndyFurze lol with an giant white X over the chest like aim here
Yes, it's absurd. Then again, there just wasn't anything they could have worn back then to stop a Minie ball. As for cover, well, like WWI the tactics hadn't caught up to the weapons.
Bullets would go through armor, Guns produced so much smoke that it made things difficult to see in, and their range and accuracy were awfull. Thats why you needed the bright reds and blues to dress in to make sure your guys dont put a bullet in you.
In case there is any confusion, this scene is not depicting the Battle of James Island (which involved the 55th Massachusetts Colored Regiment), but rather the Battle of Grimball's Landing. An excerpt from the Wikipedia page on the battle:
"Meanwhile, the Confederates moved against James Island. On July 16, they attacked, with the goal of encircling and destroying a part of the Union forces there. The men of the 10th Connecticut Infantry were in an exposed position, and in jeopardy of being cut off. The Confederate efforts to get around them were checked by the men of the 54th Massachusetts, who rebuffed a series of attacks while the 10th Connecticut was withdrawn.[3] The 54th suffered 43 casualties, with 14 killed, 17 wounded, and 12 others lost to capture, but the 10th Connecticut was saved.[4] The following day the Union forces were pulled off the island.[5]
This battle was the first engagement of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment.[6]"
100% smoke
3% efficiency
can't believe this movie came out 35 years ago...doesn't seem like it
Now those men were REAL warriors. God bless each and every one of them.
I used to live literally across the street/probably on top of part of this battlefield.
Used to turn around at the old earthworks from one of the artillery batteries when out jogging.
Battle of Ulustee, Florida, 1864 was a stand up fight for the 54th.
2:59 lol that sound effect was too funny
This scene does a good job of showing a “minor” battle in the woods, distinct from the famous battlefields like Gettysburg. If you’re the man in it, any battle is a big one.
A bayonet charge was something you as a commander would try avoid since you loose all control.
If charged by the enemy, though, a countercharge was imperative. One couldn't just stand, b/c the enemy line would hit yours with force (momentum), probably just bowling it over. One couldn't withdraw -- the result would be a rout. One couldn't change front or stand aside. Counter-charge was the only way to even the odds.
They should've IMMEDIATLY reloaded after blasting that calvary charge.
Agreed, that's bad leadership
Fighting hand to hand is so exhausting but damn they did so and were kicking ass
Still can’t believe an old classmate of mine is in a play with Matthew Broderick right now 😭❤️❤️. Freaking surreal.
Go check out “Babbitt” starring the Matthew Broderick! And my good ole friend Sam Rodd.
It’s pretty good I hear! If only I could see it…
So when did they fix bayonets?
while firing at will
@@sweeeetteeeeth Don't think so. Just watch the sequence. They seem to reload and fire at will witout fixed bayonets, then the Confederates charge and they counter charge with bayonets fixed this time.
@@sweeeetteeeeth what did will do to deserve that 😨
“Hollywood logic”.
Needed Jeff Daniels to pop out from behind a tree..."BAYONETSSSSSS"
Just watching this movie i leanred that at the beginning of the war both sides drilled constantly and were taught how to properly load and shoot a musket. And they had eto learn to load and shoot as quick as possible when they were under fire. Col shaw was telling the men of the 54th that a good man can average 3 shots per minute. It was important they learned properly and quickly.
4:04 when you have gotten a nightmare and you are woken up by your brother.
Hold up. One second no one had bayonets fixed, and snap, they suddenly all did? Magic.
1:14 Did these confederate cavalry 'Light' or 'Heavy' type?
Light
Bad ground for Cav.
@@carlousmagus5387 Why Confederate did this silly manouever?
seeing the officer get tackled by the overweight dude even when hes shot twice is hilarious
esta pelicula lo vi de niño, mucho llore con esta pelicula la verda, es la mejor de todas
They cut out the part where Thomas begged the colonel to promise to not to send him home because he's injured.
When Colonel Shaw said "fire at will!" someone else said "Where's Will?"
Confederate forces, in movies, always look like they were rounded up at the local Hobby Lobby and were told, "Just go kill some Federals". 😂
Now take the rebs you see in this, and compare them to the new movie at the Sharpsburg Visitor center. Night and day difference.
i still cant believe people stood there hoping they didint get shot 😂😂
You could crouch but honestly they used those tactics for a reason.
Great film about a brutal savage war, civil wars are the worst brother against brother.
This scene isn’t “brother against brother,” it’s men against an enemy force that wants to enslave them.
Exactly, freedom vs slavery@@erickleefeld4883
The commanding officer did not issue the order to reload after the smoke cleared up, allowing the enemy to get within range and fire first. The interchange of lead that followed would have been by rank, not by platoon and in the end he didnt even order to FIX bayonets!!! You can clearly see it jump from scene to scene. That captain would have been in a lot of trouble today 😂
Not as much trouble as the continuity person would be in.
lol..yep, its hollywood nonsense
its a movie just suspend your disbelief
I was also looking forward to the fix bayonet scene. But it's ok,its lack didn't destroy the movie.
Apparently they cut this one together weird, using different takes that weren't perfectly in continuity. It's not a big deal, since you'd need multiple watches to catch any errors and for the most part none are really egregious. I do wish we'd gotten the "Fix bayonets!" command, it's always a highlight.
No bayonets. Suddenly bayonets. Lol. Still a great movie.
BRO on a kill streak 3:52
Great illustration of the importance of practical effects and analog equipment in creating proper atmosphere in historical film/fiction. It makes even this naive and subpar action scene look excellent.
This is also known as the battle of grimball’s landing
This was actually part of the Battle of Grimball's Landing and it ultimately was a Confederate victory with the Union forces unable to take Battery Wagner the Union forces were forced to withdrawl.
Great cinematic scene!
The soldier at 4:03 has no hat, then the hat appears at 4:05
Too many Great Actors
fact there are no confirmed bayonet wounds from combat but hollywood love to show it
just insane how they fought back then
4:05 "Hit with stick! Hit with stick!" *Whack Whack* "Die! Ya bastard."
One of the most brutal & tragic wars in the history of mankind & thats saying something.
Ahh, WWI? By means of new war tech alone, WWI was fucking scary in the trenches, not to mention miserable conditions for the soldiers.
@mryrius yeah, it was a modern war that started with old war tactics
I'd say world War 1 is the most brutal
So the rebs had a South Carolina flag and an Army of Northern Virginia battle flag from a Georgia regiment?🤔 Come on…
You forget that were rebels from different states mix and inbeded together too
I collect replica flags and the units number is on the battle flag. I found a real confederate flag at an antique mall that looked similar for a Cummings Georgia unit. Had the unit number and was a battle flag exactly like this. By 1863 units began to adopt it.
"Fire at Will!... In case you didn't know, Will is the one in the yellow shirt!"
At 1:49 they say fix bayonets, ai had missed that and originally wrote: "They didn't tell them to fix bayonets and all of a suden they have bayonets"
Ever notice that after fire at will command and the charge begins they all magically have bayonets fixed?
Un pelotón curtido, motivado y experimentado podía librar batalla a quién sea...
I like to Imagine a black regiment in a total war game would not have its moral bar break in any circumstance.
I remember this movie from a long time ago and I haven't seen it lately but I do remember after watching this scene I always wondered why instead of letting the men celebrate the officers didn't order reload of the rifles because that Calvary Rush was not going to be the only bit of combat
War is scary and horrible. It's a lot worse than one sees in the movies.
Bro, they were like WOOOOOOOO- 0:44
THE REB' YELL!!
he learned to reload fast though😂
As much as I actually enjoyed the scene in actuality the casualties were seeing in this one they make it look like there’s more, but however, that really wasn’t the case in real life. Anybody can look up this battle and yeah, this is completely inaccurate.
Best CSM ever
This scene right here is exactly what America is all about. Foreign powers will do what they do. But all they really have to do is fallback and let us do ourselves in. Because history has recorded that we do that very well. And will most likely do it again in the very near future.
This is stirring stuff and the film holds together well.
However.... It wasn't until Truman's executive order in 1948 that an end to segregation in the forces became a possibility.
It didn't become a reality (of sorts) until huge losses in Korea made it a pragmatic solution in 1951.
And the US is still struggling to live up to its fantasy of being the Land of the Free. 😮
I watched this movie too while i was in middle school and high school
Can always can spot the stunt guys they have the least equipment on.
My favorite Civil War movie 😢
En un momento de disparar los soldados de la Unión no tenian la bayoneta fijada. Pero al momentos de la carga en unos segundos ya avanzaban con la bayoneta puesta
Читаю все эти комментарии, и удивлюсь, как все хорошо знают историии своей страны. И Россиянам извесна истрия сша, одно не понятно для чего сейчас америка переписыват историю России и 2-й мировой войны 🤦♂️
Америчкој политици смета Русија и све што је везано за Русију. Стварање САД је засновано на злочину ,а после другог светског рата праве злочине по свијету. Русија,Србија, Кина,Грчка су цивилизације,а САД, Турска, Немачка, Француска, Британија имају само своје културе које су прилично освајачке и злочиначке.
Porque es una nueva Guerra Fría 2.0 amigo.
You see that! The Equalizer was there in the civil war tearing up REBS!
no really this is hollywood. the real battle the csa destroyed the union.
At 2:42 the 54th Massachusetts have their bayonets fixed, then they don't at 2:43, then they do again at 2:44, and we never actually see the soldiers fix bayonets. Soldiers during the Civil War would've only put their bayonets on their rifles on command when they were about to charge or be charged by the enemy. I believe this was all a simple editing mistake and showing them fixing bayonets would've affected pacing, but history buffs likely would call this out.
Tackle him to the ground 3:20
Yikes, that's so realistic. Hard to find movies like that these days.
Continuity error - they go from firing to charging with fixed bayonets without fixing bayonets.
It's been years since I've seen the whole movie so could someone tell me if this clip was edited? They went from firing where practically no one had bayonets to charging where practically everyone had one on. Did someone cut a few seconds where they were given the order and did it or did Hollywood really goof on that one.
Las batallas de esa época eran brutales
Hooray for the 54th !
I know this is gonna sound ignorant of me but isn’t there more tactical way of fighting on both sides? Or was there rules in place of how battles were done?
1:34 😂😂🤣
wtf I live on JI, what a recommendation from youtube
I guess somewhere between the “fire at will” and the charge they fixed bayonets………😊
This battle was definitely Hollywooded up like most war movies, ive read battlefield reports fro the civil war where both sides fired at each other for an hour and nobody died, others where they confronted each other and both sides retreated. Some battles early in the war both sides where so closely uniformed and the flags looked so alike they would nearly march right on top of one another before realizing it was the enemy. Cavalry would not charge into infantry head on formed in line in the woods. If that actually happened the Confederate commander was an idiot. I doubt either side would sit there and wait until the enemy loaded and presented to fire before firing themselves, confederates where notorious for bayonet charges but I dont think they would rely on that after just a few volleys. Still a great movie though I always enjoy it every time I see it.
Col. Robert Bueller: life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you might miss it.... CHARGE!!"
I’ve been to James island
A great movie.
La escena tiene un gran fallo,los rebeldes avanzan disparando y a bayoneta calada los de la Unión no tienen bayonetas luego viene la carga y no tendrian tiempo de calar bayonetas,fallaron ahí.
This is not an accurate portrayal of the battle.
But it’s a great cinematic scene!
You win some. . . You lose some?
Give em hell 54th.
>loses every engagement
@@440SixPackEFI Cope asf and false.
@@lukeskywanker7839 The video above is Grimball’s Landing lmao, it wasn’t even a proper battle but an engagement to allow infantry to evacuate. Every other battle they were in were Confederate victories💀
@@440SixPackEFI "While the Battle of Fort Wagner itself was not a decisive military victory for the Union, it is considered a turning point in the Civil War because the heroic charge of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, an African American unit, significantly boosted the Union's recruitment of Black soldiers, adding a substantial number of troops to their ranks and demonstrating the bravery of African American fighters, which helped to further the cause of abolition" - I wouldn't call it a defeat if it was a major turning point for the Union.
The 54th literally was one of the major units that turned the war in favor of the union.
@@lukeskywanker7839 The 54th was only major for being an All-Black unit, and they still had a bad engagement record. If you were speaking of symbolic importance yeah, appealing heavily to abolition movements and freedmen troops. There's a plethora of battles, campaigns and advantages to the military and its' logistics that won the war for the North. A freedmen unit is not that lmao
I always wondered if the civil war was where Warhammer 40,000 got the idea for officers to wield a pistol and sword...
The reason some would retract facing the enemy is because being shot in the back would make you a coward to your family
Insanity total Insanity, to think another group of men, if U could call them that, would actually DIE, give their Life’s Blood, to keep another race on their knees= Incredible!
By 1864 a number of Confederate generals, seeing what the Afro-American soldiers were capable of suggested to President Davis that slaves should be given the opportunity to be given their freedom if they would join the Confederate army. President Davis was shocked by this suggestion but by 1865 he relented and agreed to this but by then it was too late