Comparison Porsche 911 997 Gen 1 vs Gen 2
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Basheer Zaheer of Invictus Porsche does a hurried comparison between the 997 Gen 1 and the Gen 2. I hope it's a useful comparison. If you want to see similar content to this, feel free to comment.
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00:00-Intro
00:43-Exterior Differences
02:15-Engine
04:23-Gen 1 Interior
05:45-Gen 2 Interior
06:20-Built Platform
07:04-Values
07:32-Common Issues
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I love my 07 gen1 911S !
Love this honest and straight to the point review. Learning lots here
Good job on the comparison. Glad to hear you prefer the Gen 1 997 as I have one myself.
Thanks really appreciate the positive note :)
Tell us what you love about your 997.1, interesting to hear and learn :)
Gen1 997 ❤️
Thanks
Agree. I do prefer gen 1. Making an analogy using Hi-fi : Gen 1 is like a vinyl and Gen 2 is a like a CD. Both are great but Gen 1 is more sensational…
Love the analogy, it couldn’t have been said better
Love the analogy ☺️
Its a crap comparison, vinyl is poorer quality sound, nothing ‘great’ about it, it’s pointless, it why they invented the CD! they digitally remastered most of the older music in any case, for good reason. As for the 997’s I think the gen 2 is a nicer looking car in and out, sound wise I probably prefer gen 1, engagement wise gen 2. Driven both own a .1
@@simmo2745 interesting take on the vinyl vs cd, I honestly did not know the difference. I always believed that vinyl had a better listening experience.
As for the Gen 1 vs Gen 2, I would agree that the Gen 2 is definitely the nicer in/out, however I feel that the .1 is more engaging. Curious to hear your experience of why the .2 is more engaging :)
@@simmo2745 instead of judging and being rude, you should start learning: the best source for high-end hifi is vinyl not CD just because of the compression!
Accurate and honest comparison 😊
Gen 1 911S MT the best! Same interior as Gen 2, update sound system, get the 3.8 engine. Classic!! That's mine!
Super informative! Thanks!
Amazing video and commentary! Loving the content 👌
Thanks brother, it’s a side hobby 😂
I have been following your YT channel for a while and I can see it doing incredibly well inshallah ❤️😊👌
Same bro!
I'm actually enjoying it man haha you know the moment I realised it's you I immediately subbed.
Likewise bro, InShaAllah, can't wait to see your channel grow! @@invictusporsche
@@Farshid. really glad to hear that. You come across incredibly well, be patient with YT algorithm, it takes a while to take effect.
Content creation is simply a hobby for me and it’s just to give the business a bit of exposure. Whether it grows or not is in the hands of Allah. I am happy with what it pays at the moment from the two channels which we donate all to charity 😊❤️
@@invictusporsche thanks a lot man, love that bro ❤️
Not having the luxury of large disposable income/savings, I would choose the Gen 2, much lower production numbers means rarer and should help long term value. The DFI engines and revised IMS/RMS etc means reliability will help avoid horrendous rebuild costs which must really hurt. The more modern PCM will help, but ultimately it will be about the drive, performance and ownership experience. Thanks for the video Basheer.
As always excellent advice Leo. Thanks for sharing your perspective here :)
The 9a1 are also coming up with bore scoring, they are just younger. Some things are much harder to repair. You have all the typical DFI issues with soot on valves. It is a give and take between the two models. The IMS is of course gone but then the chain runs faster. We shall see what this means longer term. The mk1 997s are after all 15 years old.
And you don't like £10k engine rebuilds.
DFI=MEAN PROBLEMS :) if injector fail and they do fail it will destroy the engine, also more carbon buildup.
also the PDK are known to fail :)
while the old 5speed mercedes gearbox very strong and reliable
I’d choose that Gen 1 base model with MT over that Gen 2 “S” model with PDK. Lots of things you can do update the interior on Gen 1s as well.
Wise choice 👍🏽. Curious to know what sort of interior updates you would do on the Gen 1 interior.
@@invictusporsche I’d upgrade the steering wheel to one from a newer model 911 or Macan, replace the old stereo head unit for one with modern features such as Bluetooth and CarPlay. That would just enough to make it look so much younger than it really is.
997.2 manual is the sweet spot. Better engine (exhaust note can be improved with upgrades), same body size and steering, with better peace of mind regarding engine reliability. I don't agree with his statement that there hasn't been enough time for reliability issues to show up. It's been only one year less than the 997.1. The 9A1 engine has proven to be relatively bulletproof after the fuel pump is sorted. THAT is the main reason driving the price difference. the M96 and M97 engines are great but a small percentage end up needing very expensive repairs and it keeps people away. This can be confirmed by looking through the porsche forums. It's not the driving characteristics of the cars since they are extremely similar. To shy away from that fact in the video is silly but I appreciate the comparison video.
Agree 100%.
How does one improve the exhaust note? What upgrades?
sharkwerks x-pipe (or similar) opens up the sound nicely (that's what I have). Some people do a full aftermarket exhaust like a Tubi or other. Those make the car much louder and more aggressive in their sound. All personal preference.
@@maxwellsimard4135 Thanks! Any guess on the $$ cost for that? I have a 997.2 and move the sound but louder is better!
Thanks for your explanation.
Great detailed review, enjoy your videos without all the editing.
Thank you El :)
Appreciate the positive feedback, we are trying to keep it natural and simple
Gen 2 with a manual. I may be bias since I own one. But you're right the sound is better on the gen 1.
Hold on to it. It will appreciate most in the future
The exhaust is an easy fix, the .2 cars feel the same other than a little extra power. Due to the lower production numbers and higher desirability they will also appreciate more 😉
Hey pal! So after a long decision I bought a 05 997 with 77k base carerra with chrono, and sport exhaust! Gt silver! Just love it! Cheers
Great video buddy. I own a Seal grey base Carrera gen 1 and I will never sell it. The price difference between gen 1 and 2 is way to high in my opinion. I would rather buy a 991 than a 997.2 if you ask me. However both generations are great cars and every owner should be pleased for having one. Greetings from Sweden.
I agree. Makes Gen 1 cracking value
early 991 steering is like a Cadillac from the 70s -- steer with one finger. Ugh.
I’ve had both of these. I prefer the gen1 manual… PDK was very efficient but less involving.
I agree 100%. Gen 1 Manual over a PDK any day of the week but I guess it also depends on the type of use and whether someone ones an auto :)
I absolutely love my gen 1 2006 C4S. The IMS was an issue for a tiny percentage of 996?and early 05 997 but could be easily fixed with a clutch job. The 2006 and beyond had the upgraded IMS and is great. You just have to drive and maintain them. They’re not for everyone.
did you fix it ?? or what happens if you don't take care of it? ?
above all what causes it?
@@christophercolumbus8944
IMS issues happen to a very small amount of 996 and early 2005 997 models as well as Boxters. Its a manufacturing quality issue that Porsche has improved with a larger IMS bearing in the 2006 and on cars. The dot 2 don't have it all. You can fix it, when doing your clutch job.
IMS bearing issue is resolved on the second generation?
Gen 1, manifold induction, is the better sounding motor. Gen 2's hold more value as the production numbers were quite low as the US market was imploding into the Great Recession.
True about the Gen 1 manifold induction. Interesting perspective and definitely right about the Gen 2's holding it's value due to the low numbers sold :)
@@invictusporsche Great breakdown of the two. Really enjoyed it. Perhaps because of my bias of my daily being 2007 997.1 4S 6sp. I live in the Pacific Northwest corner of the States, with lots of wet weather & a little snow, hence the 4S. I have never driven the 2wd, I hear they are more "lively" but I'm quite happy with the 4s and happy it's there. I can't say I have ever felt it intrusive and I'll give the car as good as a hard drive you would want to on public streets.
@@invictusporsche Gen 2 also sells higher because of increased security against the fear of bore scoring in the Gen 1
I’ve had both 997.1 S & 997.2 S
I prefer the gen 1 sweet spot…
agree, 997.1 is the way to go, Design just looks better, i own one too. thx
Hope you are enjoying it
Someone in Toronto swiped K24 engine in 997,
Check K997
Will do bud. Thanks for the recommendation!
Much more “authentic” the gen1!
Without a doubt my friend
why does the Gen. 1 engine sound deeper/better than Gen. 2 ?
I own a Hartech Rebuilt 997.1 4S (manual) . The gen 2 is better in every way though from a driving and mechanical point of view.
997.1 with a Xpipe sounds like a race car though, and honestly, it looks better. Those rear lights on the 997.2 are hideous in my opinion.
They remind me of the Ford KA headlights.
How about the new rear lights on Cayennes and Macans. I pulled up behind a Cayenne one day and thought it was a Dodge or Ford from the lights.
Have a 997.2 Turbo but not keen on the exhaust sound.
Had a Gen1 S with manual, sold it for a Gen2 also S with PDK (Sport+).
Well, night & day!! Exept for the exhaust/engine sound, wich can be seriously improve with exhaust mod (Scart, IPE,…), i could never go back…
997.1 for me looks better , sounds better , more analogue feel and much easier to find with a manual transmission. The .2 looks more outdated now with the led pixel type lights and the newer now looks older updated interior when compared to the more simplified elegance of the .1 and ...PDK mainly found in the .2's although very capable I will leave for the ladies out there ..
Definitely agree to the tune of everything you have said about the .1
"simplified elegance" ? Have you been drinking?:)
@@ak203 No ...less is more !!
@@space_114v2 ok ok, you're off the hook:)
The Gen 2 started in 2009.
Thank you for the comment Matt. In UK they were released in late 2008.
Spend the money - buy a Gen 2.
I take both, one in black, the other in white. Here, get the coins (imagine tossing a coin bag like the knights of old would do)
You forgot to mention that side mirrors are bigger in gen 2
Thank you for pointing it out. What do you drive?
Gen 1 most enjoyable car over Gen 2. Less electronic, more reliable (long term), smaller, lighter.
The gen 1 is more engaging but bore scoring a real possibility. Which one do you have?
Gen 1 is an older engine and risks bore scoring. You left that out and its major.
We will cover that the next time we do a comparison on the mechanical attributes of both.
@@invictusporsche That will be interesting. Look forward to it. Some forget that 997.2 was a completely redesigned car, more like a new model.
@@ak203 will happily do another comparison between the 997 Generation and will specifically cover the mechanical aspect
Worth noting that bore scoring is primarily found in colder weather regions.
Bad camera man didn’t show the gen 2 interior properly !!!
Hi Matthew thank you for the feedback. If you would like to see this car in more detail check out this detailed review on the same car.
Thanks
ua-cam.com/video/cVHfd3oPm0U/v-deo.html
@@invictusporsche thank you 🙏🏼🙂🙏🏼
997.2 = 2009-2013
Point taken onboard. We had 997.2 registered and rolled out in late 2008.
997.2 > 997.1
Agreed 👌 depending on what you are looking from your 911 experience
The 997.2 is a superior car in everyway other than the factory exhaust which is an easy fix. Having driven both cars many times they do not feel any different other than the slightly higher power of the .2. The .1 feels more dated but it does not feel any more analog. The claim that the .1 is more analog is silly.
the .1 is more analog....
@@dr.brianjudedelimaphd743 In what way?
what about the IMS bearing issue ? ? is it resolved on the second generation?
how long did you own it ? or currently own it? do you know price difference between the two gens?
@@christophercolumbus8944 There is no IMS in the 997.2. I've had mine for almost 5 years, and only had to replace 1 wheel bearing in that time. There's quite a bit of a gap between the two gens, but it will depend on where you are located and many other factors.
@@911obsessed Stop being argumentative fella and get back to watching one of Ya mates usual videos
"Seven Reasons You Should Own A Porsche 911"
Didn’t even do a noise comparison. Let down
Sorry my friend I will keep it in mind for the next video 🙏
Love the GT Silver over the Cocoa interior on the .1. I wouldn’t say the interior is a ground up improvement over the .1. Sure PCM is improved, the AC buttons don’t melt, and the black trim is better in the .2. Also steering wheel, maybe. Odd how he just glossed over the “engine problems” and chalks it up to the .1 being older. IMS can be mitigated with proper maintenance and upgrades, but bore scoring is real and likely impacts a lot of cars and unsuspecting owners. Other than that, pretty impressive rushed review. Oh, also the side mirrors are slightly different between the generations. I acquired a 997.1 this summer and I love it. Would’ve preferred a 997.2 because of aforementioned problems, but the crazy pricing these things have now killed that.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit Sir, and your "glossed over" put down remark, Phh!!! Think Maybe you should keep that one back for another Porsche UA-camr that u kiss a** on a regular basis!! lol.
Dial him in on Google search >> Bavarian Dominator - Review Centre
He talks so much rubbish and knows almost nothing. The only thing I agree with is that the gen 1 looks nicer.
Did you flunk manners in middle school? No need for insults.
Thanks Alex, good that you called him out on this :)
Some of us appreciate the simplicity in the work we do.
Jealous people! 😂
Seems like he has no idea wtf he is talking about! Disliked
He probably does know a lot, but presenting a video with no cuts and no script, especially if you haven’t rehearsed, is really difficult
What did he miss?
Thank you my friend. You hit the nail on the head with no script and it was a one taker :)
Probably a few minor points which are not relevant to this video because it would require a whole new video itself :)
Worst comparison I’ve ever seen in my life.
So you haven't seen many huh?
What did we miss?
I think we should invite him to come and do a video to see what it's like to do our job
A typical English guy has no clue. Lots of misleading explanations. I don’t believe he can do a spark plug change.
Your feedback here is extremely generic, perhaps you can elaborate and tell us a bit more in terms of what should be covered. Thanks in advance 😉
This guy is clueless
Do you have something constructive to say?