The 997.2 is just so beautifully proportioned. And the last 911 designed by Porsche before VW ownership started influencing the design. Love the shorter wheelbase look too. Future classic!!!
The 997.2 is a gem. It's got the awesome reliable DFI engine and the styling is classic. This will be a very sought after car and those who have one should hang on to it.
Nice to see a Gen 2 on your channel! Noah is right about the exhaust, all S models came with quad pipes, the way to tell a PSE from the outside is the quad pipes but they have a subtle chrome trim on the top of them, almost looks like an extra heat shroud. There's another exterior difference that a lot of people miss, the mirrors on a Gen 2 are bigger, easy to spot once you've seen it ;)
Hi Noah, i have a 997.2 C4 ( Also cobalt blue ). I just did the isofix with airbag deactivation retrofit. Recomend to do that and use the front seat. Puting your kid in the rear seat’s with backward facing child seats will almost be impossible, at least very hard and impracticle to do.
I just got my first 911- manual transmission 997.1 C2S. It took a long time to find it. With only 14,000 miles but $71,000. 997s are no longer a bargain but worth it.
Great video. I have a 2011 C4S manual with 35k miles on it and love it. Would love to drive up to Wisconsin for one of your meet ups. And yes, the quad exhaust tips are standard. You could also order these with an 20mm lower suspension and option 305 section tires. I believe the 997.2 made the change to the all-wheel drive system from the 997.1 Turbo's. That means you can pull the parking break up 1 click and it will shut off the front axle.
James, the car my brother has is a 2012 997.2 C4. Not an S. It is loaded very nicely. It has around 7K miles. He keeps it serviced, but he doesn’t like it because it rides “stiff.” To be fair he’s not a car guy. He’s a boat guy. The 911 stays garaged on Marco Island. His other car is a Prius. I know. My sister has the Panamera. She drives it nonstop. I’m hoping to buy his car, but I’m also thinking Carrera T. Good video. I missed this one somehow.
Prefer the 997.1, engine issues aside (get a rebuild from hartech), the 997.1 sounds way better, looks better in my opinion and that lightbar on the back of 997.2 is bloody hideous! Both superb cars though.
Great video! Always learn a bit more about the 997.2 from these. I love my 2012 911 4 GTS cabriolet. From what I understand and have researched, very rare car. Maybe a handful in the USA, ( Guards Red). Looks like you’re in Minneapolis? Two hours north of you in Little Falls, MN. Maybe see you at a show. Phil Prosapio.
Great Video! When I was looking at buying my first 911 earlier this year I was leaning towards a 991.1 but also really liked the 997.2. The 991 with the options I wanted were a little out of my price range so I got a beautiful 997.2 CS and couldn't be happier. I think both models are beautiful and it seems like 991.1 vs 997.2's prices are becoming fairly similar as opposed to when I was looking. I really enjoy your videos, keep up the great work. I did try to search for the podcast on my iPhone but it didn't come up just FYI.
Great vids as always, for the last year my boy has been in a forward facing car seat and it’s been great. Have a baby girl on the way, if you find a rear facing he likes please post it! It’s not just a sports car, it’s a family car!!
Do you know who purchased your old 997? Do you miss the spoiler look? I added the Darus spoiler to my 997.1 and I love it, I can't image my car without it. Great video, Take care.
James, I’ve really enjoyed your podcast and videos as I’m preparing to buy my first Porsche! A 997. I was wondering if there is any general advice you’d give me after having been through a few yourself and helping friends- I plan to go 2006 or later to avoid mech issues… but I’m hung up on a few things, primarily: cabrio or coupe, c2 or c4, black or tan interior, and if I need to go for an S vs. just a base Carrera. Really appreciate any wisdom for a first timer!
Hey Samuel!! Awesome stuff. Good luck with your search! For me…. Coupe always. I never want another cabriolet 911. C2 cars are more fun than the C4. Get the S if you can but you won’t be disappointed with a base.
From my understanding as I spend hours on Rennlist every week, the 4 pipes are standard on the S models and the single exhaust on each side is base Carrera exhausts. And from what I've seen the Porsche Sports Exhaust have 4 pipes, but one one each side is smaller in diameter than the other (I believe the inner pipe). Curious if his 18 inch wheels are his winter wheels or everyday wheels. If not, which wheels does he have during warmer months. Also is the Cobalt Blue? Love the color. I hope I can find myself one in the next 12 months.
K1dPhresh1 thanks for the comments! The 18’s are my winter wheels. I have Carrera II’s in 19 for my summer wheels. The color is Aqua Blue Metallic, I think the Cobalt Blue is a shade lighter. Either way both colors are fantastic!
A very nice car, I really hope Noah can work things out to hang onto it. Every man needs a toy, and judging how he keeps the car, it would be really cool, if his son could drive it when he is old enough to do so, and gas is still available. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Cars like these are not toys just for boys. I recently got a 2010 997.2 Turbo Cabriolet with 22k miles, dark blue with the natural brown leather interior. Top is also blue. It’s beautiful!! I sold my 2014 naturally aspirated 8 cylinder RS5 but always wanted a Porsche. And before that I had a 2001 BMW M Roadster with the quite-sought after S54 engine. My husband thinks I’m crazy....so it’s not just for boys!!
@@joabellanosasolliday4926 Hi Jo, yes, you are absolutely right. Women can enjoy these cars and experience all the thrills they provide. Your 2010 must be a PDK, vs the Tip. I have an 09 Turbo Cab w/ Tip, and I enjoy it. My 2012 Coupe is a PDK, and it is amazing. Enjoy your car, that is an awesome colour combination. Study a few of the U-Tube service videos as I did, routine maintenance is easy on these cars, and oil and filters services are not hard at all. Have fun!
Just by way of some clarifications. That is NOT a “light bar”. Yes, 4 exhaust tips for all S cars, 2 for base cars. Center exhaust for all GT3 variants. The interior between .1 and .2 is basically the same other than a slightly lighter color trim in the .1. The sports steering wheel did change after the first year of the .2. Sports exhaust doesn’t add ANY HP. And you aren’t going to get close to what you think you will as far as the gains you (or the aftermarket manufacture) claim. This is one of reasons why the power kits are always so expensive, it’s a lot of work to squeeze a little more out of Pcars.
Sports exhaust does NOT get anyone any more HP. Reference? Porsche. I have it, sounds good but no HP gains. The HP bump on the GTS is much more involved than just the intake. Its the X51 power kit. Go to suncoast and look up the kit. It’s pretty extensive. Champion also had a kit as well but it was their own and not OEM.
Hi James. So you have rapidly gone 996 to 997 to 991. I am getting really excited for my first purchase and was so 997.2 C4S but you seem so pleased with the 991. Worth the stretch ? Thanks Jason
997.1 C2S owner love the car. Almost got an 09 Carrera PDK glad i didn't. Not enough difference in the manual cars for me to spend the extra on. Got a great deal on a low owner 80k example. If i sell my 911, its only to get a 997 GT3
That’s great Harold! Congrats! My 991 is similar. One owner 90k in amazing condition. Hard to believe it has so many miles on it when I look at the paint, body, interior etc. 🤩🙌
Ohhhhhh good question. Depends if the Turbo is manual or automatic because the Tiptronic transmission is sluggish and garbage in my opinion. I would be tempted with the Turbo but would probably go for the 997.2 C4S.
Bonjour Auto Amateur. S'il vous plaît, je cherche une Porsche 911 - 997 modèle 2005 ou 2006 manuelle de préférence couleur bleu. Dans l'attente de votre réponse. Cordialement.
997.1 deck lid will not work on a 997.2. The .2 has two air inlets for the air box and the .1 only has one. So a .1 deck lid will not feed the air box properly.
Jacky Chou I think Porsche was very conservative in their stated 0-60 on the car (they frequently are). Car and Driver did 4.0 with a PDK C4S and I think something like 4.2 or 4.3 in a manual.
The 997.2 is just so beautifully proportioned. And the last 911 designed by Porsche before VW ownership started influencing the design. Love the shorter wheelbase look too. Future classic!!!
Porsche actually owns VW, so.... www.bosshunting.com.au/culture/volkswagen-group-porsche
A future classic the 997.2 I’m sure, and probably my favourite 911 of all time 👌🏼
The 997.2 is a gem. It's got the awesome reliable DFI engine and the styling is classic. This will be a very sought after car and those who have one should hang on to it.
Correct.
@Commendatore 2009 - 2012. The 997.1 ended in 2008. Some of the early 997.2s were sold in late 2008. The 991.1 was introduced in late 2012.
Nice to see a Gen 2 on your channel! Noah is right about the exhaust, all S models came with quad pipes, the way to tell a PSE from the outside is the quad pipes but they have a subtle chrome trim on the top of them, almost looks like an extra heat shroud. There's another exterior difference that a lot of people miss, the mirrors on a Gen 2 are bigger, easy to spot once you've seen it ;)
Ah! Nice! Thanks!
Very nice to see a 997 again. I know it’s my dilemma. But, I just can’t seem to get up to the 991 range... yet!
Thanks for the share! Had a 997.1 C2S, manual was so fun to drive, miss that car. Cheers!
ED Justice have exact model and can’t bring myself to sell it. Great driver’s car.
Hi Noah, i have a 997.2 C4 ( Also cobalt blue ). I just did the isofix with airbag deactivation retrofit. Recomend to do that and use the front seat. Puting your kid in the rear seat’s with backward facing child seats will almost be impossible, at least very hard and impracticle to do.
Had my 997 through 2 kids and they fit back there just fine even today! Great video.
Best 911 combo. Like the colour too 👌
Love my 997.2 C2S! Great vid. Thank you both!
I just got my first 911- manual transmission 997.1 C2S. It took a long time to find it. With only 14,000 miles but $71,000. 997s are no longer a bargain but worth it.
Congratulations!!
Great video. I have a 2011 C4S manual with 35k miles on it and love it. Would love to drive up to Wisconsin for one of your meet ups. And yes, the quad exhaust tips are standard. You could also order these with an 20mm lower suspension and option 305 section tires. I believe the 997.2 made the change to the all-wheel drive system from the 997.1 Turbo's. That means you can pull the parking break up 1 click and it will shut off the front axle.
James, the car my brother has is a 2012 997.2 C4. Not an S. It is loaded very nicely. It has around 7K miles. He keeps it serviced, but he doesn’t like it because it rides “stiff.” To be fair he’s not a car guy. He’s a boat guy. The 911 stays garaged on Marco Island. His other car is a Prius. I know. My sister has the Panamera. She drives it nonstop. I’m hoping to buy his car, but I’m also thinking Carrera T. Good video. I missed this one somehow.
Prefer the 997.1, engine issues aside (get a rebuild from hartech), the 997.1 sounds way better, looks better in my opinion and that lightbar on the back of 997.2 is bloody hideous!
Both superb cars though.
997.2 "Base" with Manual Trans...Best Porsche since the 993
Spot on video James, especially as i have a Gen 2 4S manual. Maybe some more content with Noah’s car buddy? :)
That blue 997.2 is a beaut! It’s nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find one of these cars in any color but black, silver or gray, much less a manual C4S.
Great video! Always learn a bit more about the 997.2 from these.
I love my 2012 911 4 GTS cabriolet. From what I understand and have researched, very rare car. Maybe a handful in the USA, ( Guards Red). Looks like you’re in Minneapolis? Two hours north of you in Little Falls, MN. Maybe see you at a show.
Phil Prosapio.
Great Video! When I was looking at buying my first 911 earlier this year I was leaning towards a 991.1 but also really liked the 997.2. The 991 with the options I wanted were a little out of my price range so I got a beautiful 997.2 CS and couldn't be happier. I think both models are beautiful and it seems like 991.1 vs 997.2's prices are becoming fairly similar as opposed to when I was looking.
I really enjoy your videos, keep up the great work. I did try to search for the podcast on my iPhone but it didn't come up just FYI.
AH! Sorry to hear that Mike. Here you go... feeds.buzzsprout.com/770141.rss
Also check out... autoamateur.buzzsprout.com
Great vids as always, for the last year my boy has been in a forward facing car seat and it’s been great. Have a baby girl on the way, if you find a rear facing he likes please post it! It’s not just a sports car, it’s a family car!!
Do you know who purchased your old 997? Do you miss the spoiler look? I added the Darus spoiler to my 997.1 and I love it, I can't image my car without it. Great video, Take care.
Thanks Dash!! Yes, I’m in contact with the new owner of my 997. I miss it and the spoiler, but I love my 991 too. I want them BOTH in my garage. 🤣
James, I’ve really enjoyed your podcast and videos as I’m preparing to buy my first Porsche! A 997. I was wondering if there is any general advice you’d give me after having been through a few yourself and helping friends- I plan to go 2006 or later to avoid mech issues… but I’m hung up on a few things, primarily: cabrio or coupe, c2 or c4, black or tan interior, and if I need to go for an S vs. just a base Carrera. Really appreciate any wisdom for a first timer!
Hey Samuel!! Awesome stuff. Good luck with your search! For me…. Coupe always. I never want another cabriolet 911. C2 cars are more fun than the C4. Get the S if you can but you won’t be disappointed with a base.
Fantastic! Thanks for getting back to me- this will be a DD as well so really want to be patient for just the right thing
Everyone overlooks that the front indicators are different between the 997.1 & 2
From my understanding as I spend hours on Rennlist every week, the 4 pipes are standard on the S models and the single exhaust on each side is base Carrera exhausts. And from what I've seen the Porsche Sports Exhaust have 4 pipes, but one one each side is smaller in diameter than the other (I believe the inner pipe). Curious if his 18 inch wheels are his winter wheels or everyday wheels. If not, which wheels does he have during warmer months. Also is the Cobalt Blue? Love the color. I hope I can find myself one in the next 12 months.
K1dPhresh1 thanks for the comments! The 18’s are my winter wheels. I have Carrera II’s in 19 for my summer wheels. The color is Aqua Blue Metallic, I think the Cobalt Blue is a shade lighter. Either way both colors are fantastic!
Yes. 2 outlets per side on all 997 S cars. Single on the base. Center exhaust on all GT3 variants.
Funny you bought that car in Seattle. I just bought a 997.2 in Portland and live in Seattle. What winter tires did you have? Size of tires?
A very nice car, I really hope Noah can work things out to hang onto it. Every man needs a toy, and judging how he keeps the car, it would be really cool, if his son could drive it when he is old enough to do so, and gas is still available. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Thanks Rick!
Cars like these are not toys just for boys. I recently got a 2010 997.2 Turbo Cabriolet with 22k miles, dark blue with the natural brown leather interior. Top is also blue. It’s beautiful!! I sold my 2014 naturally aspirated 8 cylinder RS5 but always wanted a Porsche. And before that I had a 2001 BMW M Roadster with the quite-sought after S54 engine. My husband thinks I’m crazy....so it’s not just for boys!!
@@joabellanosasolliday4926 Hi Jo, yes, you are absolutely right. Women can enjoy these cars and experience all the thrills they provide. Your 2010 must be a PDK, vs the Tip. I have an 09 Turbo Cab w/ Tip, and I enjoy it. My 2012 Coupe is a PDK, and it is amazing. Enjoy your car, that is an awesome colour combination. Study a few of the U-Tube service videos as I did, routine maintenance is easy on these cars, and oil and filters services are not hard at all. Have fun!
isn't that .1 steering wheel in the blue .2? or is it different in us
Quality content!
Thank you! Appreciate it.
Congrats Noah. I’m in the same boat rn
Just by way of some clarifications. That is NOT a “light bar”. Yes, 4 exhaust tips for all S cars, 2 for base cars. Center exhaust for all GT3 variants. The interior between .1 and .2 is basically the same other than a slightly lighter color trim in the .1. The sports steering wheel did change after the first year of the .2. Sports exhaust doesn’t add ANY HP. And you aren’t going to get close to what you think you will as far as the gains you (or the aftermarket manufacture) claim. This is one of reasons why the power kits are always so expensive, it’s a lot of work to squeeze a little more out of Pcars.
Thanks! 🙌
GTS gets to 408HP. Part of that was the standard sports exhaust as well as the intake, right?
Sports exhaust does NOT get anyone any more HP. Reference? Porsche. I have it, sounds good but no HP gains. The HP bump on the GTS is much more involved than just the intake. Its the X51 power kit. Go to suncoast and look up the kit. It’s pretty extensive. Champion also had a kit as well but it was their own and not OEM.
Hi James. So you have rapidly gone 996 to 997 to 991. I am getting really excited for my first purchase and was so 997.2 C4S but you seem so pleased with the 991. Worth the stretch ? Thanks Jason
If you can swing a 991.1 C2S or C4S, for sure. Otherwise, the 997.2 C4S is amazing, you'll love it. Good luck!!
Another thumbs up from me 👍
Cheers Clive!
What happened to the 996 project and the broken transmission , and do you have a clue why it happened?
The big change was also the front suspension and arms to avoid the vibrations
997.1 '08 C4S I now have 106000 and still drives strong.
AH! Amazing. I love the first gen 997 so much. C4S - perfect!
997.1 C2S owner love the car. Almost got an 09 Carrera PDK glad i didn't. Not enough difference in the manual cars for me to spend the extra on. Got a great deal on a low owner 80k example. If i sell my 911, its only to get a 997 GT3
That’s great Harold! Congrats! My 991 is similar. One owner 90k in amazing condition. Hard to believe it has so many miles on it when I look at the paint, body, interior etc. 🤩🙌
@@AutoAmateur IMO, the more the miles the better. Tried and tested.
What no test drive?? Please can you go back and do one soon?
Sure thing! I think Noah would be up for that.
Hooked on your videos!
Thanks! Very kind!!
997.2 is a completely different car. Every panel changed, plus of course the engine.
Garage floor still looks awesome James 👍
Haha. Thanks Paul!!
Agreed. I’m actually looking some tiles right now lol
90k on your 991? Wow, well done and looks good!
Thanks Chris!
996.1 Turbo or 997.2 4S ?(they are very close in price)
Ohhhhhh good question. Depends if the Turbo is manual or automatic because the Tiptronic transmission is sluggish and garbage in my opinion. I would be tempted with the Turbo but would probably go for the 997.2 C4S.
Please do a meet and greet soon! 🇬🇧
In the UK? Next time I'm home! Sounds like a plan.
Auto Amateur yes please! A meet and greet in London would be amazing! Do you have any 911 pals in London too? I’d bring my C4s cab over 😄
Bonjour Auto Amateur.
S'il vous plaît, je cherche une Porsche 911 - 997 modèle 2005 ou 2006 manuelle de préférence couleur bleu.
Dans l'attente de votre réponse.
Cordialement.
PDK LIFE !
🤣🤣🤣👍
Lol
997.1 deck lid will not work on a 997.2. The .2 has two air inlets for the air box and the .1 only has one. So a .1 deck lid will not feed the air box properly.
rick meyer is there a difference in the exterior design though, or just the ducting underneath?
Noah Huth only inlets and ducting to mod
If all are manual, why 997.1 & 997.2 with almost the same 0-100 Km/hr time (4.7 sec)under 30 hp difference? It’s unreasonable,
Jacky Chou I think Porsche was very conservative in their stated 0-60 on the car (they frequently are). Car and Driver did 4.0 with a PDK C4S and I think something like 4.2 or 4.3 in a manual.
Porsche is always conservative. The fastest USA mag time for the 7.1 is 3.9 and for the 7.2 is 3.8. Slightly larger difference in the 1/4.
You guys think 90k is high mileage!?! Call me when you get to 200k !!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What car do you have that has 200k miles?
My 1996 993 Cabriolet
90k is not a high mileage. Great car!
Thanks!! Yeah, this is maybe one of our group's favorite 911s. It's absolutely gorgeous.
I wish this video had more content and less shots from your drone.
Thanks for the feedback! What kind of content did you want to see more of? I’ll pick it up in my next 997 video!
Led taillights are not as good looking as 997.1
I agree.