@@user-oy9zy4ds9m they are kind of assholes, and seem to directly avoid some questions or are just too lazy to actually give an answer yet will directly message you if youre commenting on their instagram, asking about backface deformation
@@ch3cksund3ad yeah. I’m dealing with issues from another gun related company right now called ‘pacific tactical research and development’. I ordered two trigger packs from them for over 400$ each back in January and it’s July and I have yet to receive them every time I talk to them via phone or email they are very kind and reassuring but it’s been 7 months….. luckily I used a CC so I’ve disputed the charges.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m I was gonna say, you should probably just get a refund and order from another company 7 months for a trigger is way too long to wait, I'm sorry to hear that
@@joemoment-o1275 no one can accuse Lyman of not being based and red-pilled. Even if they don’t make the best of the best armor, Hoplite is still worth supporting.
@@PolynesianSaus Let's say that is a given. The responses from the company and other people just researching is less than satisfied. I really like LAPGfor the price. Not gonna fanboy over a brand. Especially when it's terribly expensive for MY BUDGET. 🥺
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 He made armor for police/SWAT exclusively but then started selling to the general public so that the common man can have the same protection that the state does. When cops killed a hostage after lighting up a UPS truck he had a sale on his armor. When a police group on FB started vaguely threatening him he released his address and had another sale, then shortly after that he made K9 armor because we all know what the federal SOP is for handling dogs. When the UN had a conference in NYC about mass disarming people he started had another sale and each purchase came with posters of blue helmet bullseyes. When the Hong Kong protests first started he was donating to protestors and I believe he sent some armor their way.
Those m993's are terrifying! Thankfully they're also rare. That was the only round that punched through the botach level 4's, that I already had purchased. Take into account, the likelihood of actually needing to use the armor for protection, then account for likelihood of being shot with a m993, and it's probably pretty safe.
I really like this plate, if they could switch the backer to UHWMPE this thing could potentially stop even those M993 AP rounds and would make for a truly fantastic Level IV plate. Perhaps wearing one of these with a UHWMPE Trauma Pad would do the trick.
check out highcom lvl 4 4s16s...theyll stop it all. 7lbs for medium sapi. not terrible. i got 2 of em. super nice multicurve...500 a plate pretty much but ive seen them perform better than the hoplites. same weight or a bit lighter
@@rickypickles2219 I see they only tested those Highcom 4S16's with M2 AP, which is really potent but any level IV should stop at least 1 M2AP. It does have a ceramic strike face and its backed by UHWMPE.
@@Spartan536 ive seen it stop multiple hits from all 556 rounds. Not a whole lot of backface either. I still put 3A backers behind mine. Ill have a 28 lb carrier at the end of the day fully loaded but its not that bad. I got it in a k19 you dont really feel it
@@Spartan536 not with those...theres a couple videos...Same performance it says on the website but theyre heavier. like 8.5 per medium sapi...i paid more for the weight savings. Id trust highcoms with my life though for sure. youll get multi hit from AR rounds out of them for sure.
Thank you for watching. I agree with that assessment. I am not sure as to why they chose an Aramid type fiber here, but it doesn't lend itself well to stopping projectile pieces that contain mass and make it past the ceramic face.
a lot of hate in the comments, but it stopped every threat it's rated at and it's at a similar price point of the L210's... seems like a solid choice to me
Trex arms muted my comments for pointing that out on his channel theyve become pretty shitty and dishonest, and its really heart breaking after all the hooha they did last summer
@@ch3cksund3ad I point out the 23165 every time to people who are considering the L210s. A mere 50 bucks or so can get you so much more and still have a fairly lightweight level 4 plate, albeit if you fit 10x12 plates.
@@ch3cksund3ad yeah I have 210s and I'm bummed. I want to get the RMAs. To be fair most of these tests show 90% of these plates are trash that will get you killed. Really disheartened to see the manufacturers making people feel safe when their products are trash.
@@iliftthingsupandputthemdow4364 I know right? I've been thinking the same thing, and so many of them charge ridiculous prices for their shit. RMA and RTS I think are where I am gonna start putting some money as well. Good companies, pretty affordable plates, and more importantly they actually work well. Lucas and the Trex Arms people tried to basically call me stupid for pointing all of this out. Cause they all think a gun fight only happens 1 way, with 1 type of gun, and basically 1 type of bullet, they're just snakes with snake oil like they always try to call other companies out for
Very interesting results… Amazing stuff as always👍! Only one minor suggestion. Is it possible to add a “high-tech fleece bullet stop” (TM lol) to catch the bullets or fragments that come through? Would be interesting to see what happens to the projectiles after passing through different plates, clay briefcase, and e wood backer. They should(maybe) be going slow enough to be grabbed with some dense fabric? 🤔
That would be cool. Supposedly these ceramics can potentially shatter AP rounds on impact when they stop them. Maybe also put something in front of it to see what’s being expelled out the front vs being caught by the polyethylene.
Good content as usual. Can you do a suggestion video based on your tests? Most of these plates have had piss poor performance and as someone who bought plates i thought were good it gives me cause for concern it seems most of these plates that are 3A and IV plates can't even stop the most common 5.56. Almost like using most of the stuff on the markets is for peace of mind rather than protection.
So it’s rated for the M2AP at 2880 and it penetrated at 3200. Not too surprising but maybe I’m thinking incorrectly. It did stop the ap round that was at correct velocity. I’d like a test of only what it’s claimed to stop. I know it’ll fail if hit with a 50 bmg at 4000 fps. I’d like confidence in what it’s rated for more than just trying to puncture it.
If I tested all panels to the bare min how would you know which one is selling you based on brand recognition only vs one which truly performs above the NIJ standards.
This plate is an older model NIJ 0101.04 certified. They have a newer version that is NIJ 0101.06 certified that would most likely perform better than this plate.
@@nathanielkidd2840 against threats it is not rated for. For the money this is a$420 plate set (210 per plate) and honestly at 6.5 lbs that is a good armor set.
I previously had a discussion with you about high speed copper bullets and their ability to Swiss cheese level 4 armor. Now imagine a non expanding copper solid going even faster lol
@@BuffRANGE just curious if you ever tried any of the 110gr stuff to see if there was a difference in penetration. I have yet to see anything practical stop them but I also haven’t shot a very wide variety of plates. Lol
Should’ve done the test right, like just shooting it with 556 to get a better outlook. Most engagements if any will be from a 16” and under barrel. Mixing higher calibers that aren’t commonly used throws off the results in my opinion. I least we know 308 AP and 3006 AP is to be feared.
did you miss the multiple 5.56 rounds this plate stopped, even though NIJ Level IV/RF3 only rates a plate for one single shot of M2AP? If this plate stops M855A1/M193/M855 from a 22" barrel at 45', shorter barrels will have no affect on it at distance..
Hey Matt, Marlon here I first wanted to tell you what a wonderful job your doing for all of us, giving us all the best of you do, second a comment, when u drop the plate I see the cement level you drop in on its entirely flat and I was wondering if you could find a spot where the cement that it falls on is more level at a 90-degree angle rather than pitched slightly off to one side so the rain runs down and away from the building. That was just an observation I was making that I think may affect the way a plate would crack if it does crack I think I've noticed that some of the shots that you take on the one side that it comes into contact with the ground first are where the rounds tend to peirce. Also it be super cool to see a secondary test where there's no drop. I know I guess I'm being picky seeing how I'd use a padded plate carrier and never drop my plate. Thanks bud keep up the great work.
I probably should make an effort to find a flat area. I think If I move it inside the building and use the floor in there and drop it in there, that will result in more uniform. If manufacturers would send more plates we could do a "non dropped" test, but then that would add considerable length to the test. Well padded plates shouldn't be an issue though. Well in theory.
@@BuffRANGE Yeah, sounds good. Your testing is by far the best real world testing results I've seen yet. You adhere to the requirements of NIJ standards ( like a glove) ! Matt you have my respect and my full endorsment with the job you handel like a real professional does. Thank you very much, I look forward to seeing more.
I was looking for boron carbide plates and there isn’t really anything on the market not sure why, also silicon carbide is better from what I have heard. Lot of guys are probably looking to see what is the best plate they can buy without breaking the bank. Also durability is probably a thing, where you could take multiple regular FMJ 308 or 5.56. I was wondering what if you put 125gr 308 in the 300WM. Nice bloopers. :)
Sometimes you have to look at the specs of the plate. When you see the combination of level 4, lightweight, and very expensive then it’ll most likely be made of boron carbide but there are always outliers to that combination. For example you can find 3+ armor made with boron carbide so the rule of level 4 doesn’t always apply.
@@CRAZY_HORSE_1-8 That is really value priced for Boron, with a full coverage strike face. Hopefully they will grace me with some clout to play in their sandbox
I'd imagine it's a thing from when they designed the plate when NIJ 04 was still active, and maybe cost too. If they changed/updated it to a PE backing then it would probably dictate a completely different plate and can't call it a 26135 model anymore. They already have other plate models that have a alumina strike face with PE backing. Either way I think these plates perform quite modest considering the weight, thickness, threat profile, and cost compared to other plates on the market
I would personally say no. The aramid fiber backer, while providing better backface reduction, doesn't work as well as PE to stop threats that make it past the ceramic. If LTC has newer models, it may be a toss up.
Maybe I stated it wrong, but I merely meant compared to other plates that use PE, the backface we were seeing on this plate was considerably less than those plates. Backface is still always a concern :D
I’m wondering if you shouldn’t have drop tested these, since they’re aren’t made to withstand drops I don’t think. I actually own these plates and added a 5mm HD foam layer to the face, wrapping it in Lycra and finishing off with Cordura. I must say I’m not impressed and thought these plates were made with PE. Just when you think you’ve got your kit squared away 😅
Plates have to be conditioned when they are tested. They are made to be shot after withstanding temperature cycles, humidity and drops before they are shot. A pure PE plate wouldn't be able to withstand higher velocity threats, that's why these have a ceramic strikeface.
I've always been turned off by the amount of back face deformation with these lightweight LV IV plates it doesnt do you much good stopping LV IV threats if it breaks your ribs or causes internal bleedibg making you a casualty.
@Great White a backer isn't going to protect from that level BFD you are still talking about broken ribs at best. Because even troops in Ahfganistan report broken ribs after being shot while wearing SAPI's and LVIIA backers
@Great White Yeah, but there are affordable plates out there that exhibit very little BFD from the same rounds. Ones that are only a pound or so heavier and a tenth on a inch thicker. What would even be the point of a slightly lighter/thinner plate like this if you need a heavy duty backer for it anyway?
@Great White I’d also consider 300 magnums and other big bore rifles as “normal” rounds if you’re talking about the US. They will be plentiful in any conflict that could happen here. In fact I’d probably be far more concerned about catching a magnum round to center mass from out of nowhere than I would be of someone running up on me with an AR or AK.
Assuming that they’re compliant to the NIJ’s limit on back face deformation, you’ll be mostly fine. Though different standards have their own limitations on back face deformation outside of the NIJ but each will judge it safe if the measurement value is less than the stated limited. This plate is based on a older NIJ standard and I think it did quite well in this test.
I’m sorry but Hoplites one of the worst companies in the industry. I and MANY others I’ve talked to ordered their shoulder plates and carriers and didn’t receive them for TWO YEARS. they never return phone calls or emails inquiring about them either. Will never purchase a Hoplite product ever again.
@@BuffRANGE I actually never received the carriers from them I had to purchase it from a third party after waiting a year from them they never responded to emails or,phone calls and actually one of the third parties gave me refund said they couldn’t get their carriers from them either I left a review on their site and they had 1 star reviews for their shoulder plates citing same thing as me.
It's unfortunate that Hoplite is one of the very few distributors for LTC plates (which are great). I recommend Apex Armor Solutions for anyone looking to get Hoplite (LTC) plates as well as RMA I've yet to see a genuine negative review about Apex.
Pretty funny because Hoplite is so anti-government/anti-LE. They’d never run these anyways so is his view just a cover for not wanting to fail certifications???😂
People keep asking me to test hoplite, militech, ect and I constantly remind them that you've done it all.
Much appreciated :) Your tests are awesome, maybe that’s why they want you :)
Don’t buy hoplite worst company customer service in the world
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m they are kind of assholes, and seem to directly avoid some questions or are just too lazy to actually give an answer
yet will directly message you if youre commenting on their instagram, asking about backface deformation
@@ch3cksund3ad yeah. I’m dealing with issues from another gun related company right now called ‘pacific tactical research and development’. I ordered two trigger packs from them for over 400$ each back in January and it’s July and I have yet to receive them every time I talk to them via phone or email they are very kind and reassuring but it’s been 7 months….. luckily I used a CC so I’ve disputed the charges.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m I was gonna say, you should probably just get a refund and order from another company
7 months for a trigger is way too long to wait, I'm sorry to hear that
Hoplite is solid & the owner is a real Patriot too. Made in the U.S.A. 🇺🇸👍
Google them. Not such a fun story
To clarify, Hoplite is just a private brand label. LTC is the actual source of these plates :D
@@joemoment-o1275 no one can accuse Lyman of not being based and red-pilled. Even if they don’t make the best of the best armor, Hoplite is still worth supporting.
@@PolynesianSaus Let's say that is a given. The responses from the company and other people just researching is less than satisfied. I really like LAPGfor the price. Not gonna fanboy over a brand. Especially when it's terribly expensive for MY BUDGET. 🥺
@@joemoment-o1275 LAPG is just Militech plates, save yourself a couple bucks and order from AliExpress. (Militech makes some good plates, ngl.)
Have a drawing of a plate on piece of paper, then mark where you hit it on the paper after every shot, and you'll always know what went where.
More like .300 Win Chad. God I love that caliber.
Lyman Bishop of Hoplite is a true patriot.
Lol, and how is that?
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 Beginning responses with "Lol" is big gæ
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 he's a firm believer that rights don't come with permits
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073
He made armor for police/SWAT exclusively but then started selling to the general public so that the common man can have the same protection that the state does. When cops killed a hostage after lighting up a UPS truck he had a sale on his armor. When a police group on FB started vaguely threatening him he released his address and had another sale, then shortly after that he made K9 armor because we all know what the federal SOP is for handling dogs. When the UN had a conference in NYC about mass disarming people he started had another sale and each purchase came with posters of blue helmet bullseyes. When the Hong Kong protests first started he was donating to protestors and I believe he sent some armor their way.
He has very good customer service.
The .308 hits were satisfying to watch.
Those m993's are terrifying! Thankfully they're also rare. That was the only round that punched through the botach level 4's, that I already had purchased. Take into account, the likelihood of actually needing to use the armor for protection, then account for likelihood of being shot with a m993, and it's probably pretty safe.
Toss a 3a backer behind your lvl 4s. Makes it more comfortable too lol
I really like this plate, if they could switch the backer to UHWMPE this thing could potentially stop even those M993 AP rounds and would make for a truly fantastic Level IV plate. Perhaps wearing one of these with a UHWMPE Trauma Pad would do the trick.
check out highcom lvl 4 4s16s...theyll stop it all. 7lbs for medium sapi. not terrible. i got 2 of em. super nice multicurve...500 a plate pretty much but ive seen them perform better than the hoplites. same weight or a bit lighter
@@rickypickles2219 I see they only tested those Highcom 4S16's with M2 AP, which is really potent but any level IV should stop at least 1 M2AP.
It does have a ceramic strike face and its backed by UHWMPE.
@@Spartan536 ive seen it stop multiple hits from all 556 rounds. Not a whole lot of backface either. I still put 3A backers behind mine. Ill have a 28 lb carrier at the end of the day fully loaded but its not that bad. I got it in a k19 you dont really feel it
@@rickypickles2219 What about their S417's? Any experience with those?
@@Spartan536 not with those...theres a couple videos...Same performance it says on the website but theyre heavier. like 8.5 per medium sapi...i paid more for the weight savings. Id trust highcoms with my life though for sure. youll get multi hit from AR rounds out of them for sure.
Nothing but thumbs up. Reaffirming my beliefs in UHMWPE for backer material.
God bless
Thank you for watching. I agree with that assessment. I am not sure as to why they chose an Aramid type fiber here, but it doesn't lend itself well to stopping projectile pieces that contain mass and make it past the ceramic face.
@@BuffRANGE Lower BFT looks more attractive on paper when comparing plates.
I'm so happy to see this
very excited to see the results
Sorry for the delays. Hopefully I'll be caught up on armor testing within the next few months
@@BuffRANGE you do great work, the results are worth the wait.
@@BuffRANGE no worries, sorry for bugging you so much for it haha. You have the absolute best armor reviews, I only trust your videos
a lot of hate in the comments, but it stopped every threat it's rated at and it's at a similar price point of the L210's... seems like a solid choice to me
Trex arms muted my comments for pointing that out on his channel
theyve become pretty shitty and dishonest, and its really heart breaking after all the hooha they did last summer
@@ch3cksund3ad I point out the 23165 every time to people who are considering the L210s. A mere 50 bucks or so can get you so much more and still have a fairly lightweight level 4 plate, albeit if you fit 10x12 plates.
@@Riname-K yet they wont listen, cause dumbass Lucas said to buy the useless hescos.... which are all also way overpriced I think
@@ch3cksund3ad yeah I have 210s and I'm bummed. I want to get the RMAs. To be fair most of these tests show 90% of these plates are trash that will get you killed. Really disheartened to see the manufacturers making people feel safe when their products are trash.
@@iliftthingsupandputthemdow4364 I know right? I've been thinking the same thing, and so many of them charge ridiculous prices for their shit. RMA and RTS I think are where I am gonna start putting some money as well. Good companies, pretty affordable plates, and more importantly they actually work well.
Lucas and the Trex Arms people tried to basically call me stupid for pointing all of this out. Cause they all think a gun fight only happens 1 way, with 1 type of gun, and basically 1 type of bullet, they're just snakes with snake oil like they always try to call other companies out for
Very interesting results… Amazing stuff as always👍! Only one minor suggestion. Is it possible to add a “high-tech fleece bullet stop” (TM lol) to catch the bullets or fragments that come through? Would be interesting to see what happens to the projectiles after passing through different plates, clay briefcase, and e wood backer. They should(maybe) be going slow enough to be grabbed with some dense fabric? 🤔
That would be cool. Supposedly these ceramics can potentially shatter AP rounds on impact when they stop them. Maybe also put something in front of it to see what’s being expelled out the front vs being caught by the polyethylene.
They’d have to get the patented, new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop
Plus P plus looked like it devastated. Pretty high velocity 22mag right there.
Id like to see the hoplite level 4 boron carbide get tested hopefully it preforms better than these lates did
Good content as usual. Can you do a suggestion video based on your tests? Most of these plates have had piss poor performance and as someone who bought plates i thought were good it gives me cause for concern it seems most of these plates that are 3A and IV plates can't even stop the most common 5.56. Almost like using most of the stuff on the markets is for peace of mind rather than protection.
Now we’re talking!
I think they may have discontinued this plate. I'm not seeing it on their website.
So it’s rated for the M2AP at 2880 and it penetrated at 3200. Not too surprising but maybe I’m thinking incorrectly. It did stop the ap round that was at correct velocity. I’d like a test of only what it’s claimed to stop. I know it’ll fail if hit with a 50 bmg at 4000 fps. I’d like confidence in what it’s rated for more than just trying to puncture it.
If I tested all panels to the bare min how would you know which one is selling you based on brand recognition only vs one which truly performs above the NIJ standards.
Looks like a solid level 3+ lol
Kevlar is actually a registered product name
4:14 does any armor stop your plus P plus AP??
MIlitech Black Label RF3. Hanlin Tactical Studio RF3's. RMA 1192. Adept Colossus, Spartan Armor Hercules Extreme, to name a few..
Very interesting test!! Needless to say, I won't be buying Hoplite armor anytime soon!
Technically this is LTC's plate, not hoplite, they are just a distributer who slaps their logo on the plates.
@@LSD25 oh, I see.
This plate is an older model NIJ 0101.04 certified. They have a newer version that is NIJ 0101.06 certified that would most likely perform better than this plate.
Did it fail to live up to its rating, or because it failed against threats that it’s not rated to stop?
@@nathanielkidd2840 against threats it is not rated for.
For the money this is a$420 plate set (210 per plate) and honestly at 6.5 lbs that is a good armor set.
I previously had a discussion with you about high speed copper bullets and their ability to Swiss cheese level 4 armor. Now imagine a non expanding copper solid going even faster lol
True. This is only one example. Another level IV I tested stopped that Barnes bullet.
@@BuffRANGE just curious if you ever tried any of the 110gr stuff to see if there was a difference in penetration. I have yet to see anything practical stop them but I also haven’t shot a very wide variety of plates. Lol
Will you be testing Hoplite’s III++ plate?
Should’ve done the test right, like just shooting it with 556 to get a better outlook. Most engagements if any will be from a 16” and under barrel. Mixing higher calibers that aren’t commonly used throws off the results in my opinion. I least we know 308 AP and 3006 AP is to be feared.
did you miss the multiple 5.56 rounds this plate stopped, even though NIJ Level IV/RF3 only rates a plate for one single shot of M2AP? If this plate stops M855A1/M193/M855 from a 22" barrel at 45', shorter barrels will have no affect on it at distance..
Plz find time to gel and bone test 135 Gr Hydra Shok Deep.
Hey Matt, Marlon here I first wanted to tell you what a wonderful job your doing for all of us, giving us all the best of you do, second a comment, when u drop the plate I see the cement level you drop in on its entirely flat and I was wondering if you could find a spot where the cement that it falls on is more level at a 90-degree angle rather than pitched slightly off to one side so the rain runs down and away from the building. That was just an observation I was making that I think may affect the way a plate would crack if it does crack I think I've noticed that some of the shots that you take on the one side that it comes into contact with the ground first are where the rounds tend to peirce. Also it be super cool to see a secondary test where there's no drop. I know I guess I'm being picky seeing how I'd use a padded plate carrier and never drop my plate. Thanks bud keep up the great work.
I probably should make an effort to find a flat area. I think If I move it inside the building and use the floor in there and drop it in there, that will result in more uniform. If manufacturers would send more plates we could do a "non dropped" test, but then that would add considerable length to the test. Well padded plates shouldn't be an issue though. Well in theory.
@@BuffRANGE Yeah, sounds good. Your testing is by far the best real world testing results I've seen yet. You adhere to the requirements of NIJ standards ( like a glove) ! Matt you have my respect and my full endorsment with the job you handel like a real professional does. Thank you very much, I look forward to seeing more.
God I hate premiers, I wanna see it now!
HEHE :D
Patreon supporters get early access to video premieres if that's something you're thinking about.
@@Ech0Sierra I typically give them the unlisted URL when I have the video uploaded. :D
That CZ has a 16" barrel, no? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the muzzle velocity is 100-150 fps less than a 20-22" barrel with the M993, right?
Indeed. It's dipped as low as 2700 ish when testing, but it was cooking in this test for the 16" :D
is the new 26605 better than this?
I would think so.
I was looking for boron carbide plates and there isn’t really anything on the market not sure why, also silicon carbide is better from what I have heard. Lot of guys are probably looking to see what is the best plate they can buy without breaking the bank. Also durability is probably a thing, where you could take multiple regular FMJ 308 or 5.56. I was wondering what if you put 125gr 308 in the 300WM. Nice bloopers. :)
Hoplite/LTC 26300, Hesco 4800, and RMA 1199 are all Boron Carbide.
@@Ech0Sierra Indeed. I think some companies are more reserved on actually calling out the specific ceramic they use.
Sometimes you have to look at the specs of the plate. When you see the combination of level 4, lightweight, and very expensive then it’ll most likely be made of boron carbide but there are always outliers to that combination. For example you can find 3+ armor made with boron carbide so the rule of level 4 doesn’t always apply.
Spartan Armor Systems just released Boron Carbide plates with full 10x12 coverage, 6.1 lbs, and multi curve fit. $700 for a set of 2.
@@CRAZY_HORSE_1-8 That is really value priced for Boron, with a full coverage strike face. Hopefully they will grace me with some clout to play in their sandbox
do you do security work or work for the government? or just have a 6th sense to find these rare ammo types?
6th sense :D I typically just always happen across a collector who has extras that they're willing to sell.
My question is why are they using Aramid. When almost every other manufacturer is using UHMWPE? Wouldn’t that be a far better material for a backer?
That’s a very good question. Maybe this is because it’s a hold over from NIJ 04? I am not sure what their other models offer.
It’s gotta be cheaper. It really compromises your multi hit capabilities.
I'd imagine it's a thing from when they designed the plate when NIJ 04 was still active, and maybe cost too. If they changed/updated it to a PE backing then it would probably dictate a completely different plate and can't call it a 26135 model anymore. They already have other plate models that have a alumina strike face with PE backing.
Either way I think these plates perform quite modest considering the weight, thickness, threat profile, and cost compared to other plates on the market
Are these plates better than the RMA 1155?
I would personally say no. The aramid fiber backer, while providing better backface reduction, doesn't work as well as PE to stop threats that make it past the ceramic. If LTC has newer models, it may be a toss up.
@@BuffRANGE thanks!
Would you recommend their dangler plate
LTC makes good stuff. Don’t see why not.
@@BuffRANGE Good to know thanks for the help
Are you sure it's all the same weather the plate stops a 223 or 308... i mean those dent sizes surely aren't equal!
Maybe I stated it wrong, but I merely meant compared to other plates that use PE, the backface we were seeing on this plate was considerably less than those plates. Backface is still always a concern :D
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
nice
Appreciate the vid thumb's up...
I’m wondering if you shouldn’t have drop tested these, since they’re aren’t made to withstand drops I don’t think. I actually own these plates and added a 5mm HD foam layer to the face, wrapping it in Lycra and finishing off with Cordura. I must say I’m not impressed and thought these plates were made with PE. Just when you think you’ve got your kit squared away 😅
Plates have to be conditioned when they are tested. They are made to be shot after withstanding temperature cycles, humidity and drops before they are shot.
A pure PE plate wouldn't be able to withstand higher velocity threats, that's why these have a ceramic strikeface.
3611 is fuckin smokin.
Test the new AR500™©® "MADE IN THE USA" NIJ tested level IV ceramic armor. I heard it's really really really good and not a piece of shit.
Is that a hint of sarcasm. ? I have one inbound
@@BuffRANGE Just a little :)
Lmao
H-e-e-e-y all penetrate!!! ):
I've always been turned off by the amount of back face deformation with these lightweight LV IV plates it doesnt do you much good stopping LV IV threats if it breaks your ribs or causes internal bleedibg making you a casualty.
@Great White a backer isn't going to protect from that level BFD you are still talking about broken ribs at best. Because even troops in Ahfganistan report broken ribs after being shot while wearing SAPI's and LVIIA backers
@Great White yeah thats why you generally want thicker plates since they have less BFD
@Great White Yeah, but there are affordable plates out there that exhibit very little BFD from the same rounds. Ones that are only a pound or so heavier and a tenth on a inch thicker. What would even be the point of a slightly lighter/thinner plate like this if you need a heavy duty backer for it anyway?
@Great White I’d also consider 300 magnums and other big bore rifles as “normal” rounds if you’re talking about the US. They will be plentiful in any conflict that could happen here. In fact I’d probably be far more concerned about catching a magnum round to center mass from out of nowhere than I would be of someone running up on me with an AR or AK.
Assuming that they’re compliant to the NIJ’s limit on back face deformation, you’ll be mostly fine. Though different standards have their own limitations on back face deformation outside of the NIJ but each will judge it safe if the measurement value is less than the stated limited.
This plate is based on a older NIJ standard and I think it did quite well in this test.
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it's great you acknowledge non gender identity 👍😂
Fuck hoplite. They sent me the wrong plates. Pretty common in the armor industry. Dokt think ive got what i ordered once
What did you order and what did they send? Did they make it right?
I’m sorry but Hoplites one of the worst companies in the industry. I and MANY others I’ve talked to ordered their shoulder plates and carriers and didn’t receive them for TWO YEARS. they never return phone calls or emails inquiring about them either. Will never purchase a Hoplite product ever again.
Wow that's horrible :(
@@BuffRANGE I actually never received the carriers from them I had to purchase it from a third party after waiting a year from them they never responded to emails or,phone calls and actually one of the third parties gave me refund said they couldn’t get their carriers from them either I left a review on their site and they had 1 star reviews for their shoulder plates citing same thing as me.
@@BuffRANGE I just checked and of course hoplite deleted the bad reviews lol
It's unfortunate that Hoplite is one of the very few distributors for LTC plates (which are great). I recommend Apex Armor Solutions for anyone looking to get Hoplite (LTC) plates as well as RMA I've yet to see a genuine negative review about Apex.
@@Riname-K John at Apex is a stand up guy!
Pretty funny because Hoplite is so anti-government/anti-LE.
They’d never run these anyways so is his view just a cover for not wanting to fail certifications???😂
They're LTC plates, good to go either way.
Hoplite doesn't impress
If u use the straps on top n bottom you could save on straps, lol.
PEWPEW time