@@dklintworth1992 you need to be an ICU RN and go work at a hospital- any hospital; and you shall find your answer. It is more complicated than you think. Does she deserve to have her license taken away? Absolutely, she did ignore the warnings; BUT she does not deserve going to prison for it. The hospital tried to cover her mistake in the first place, and now the hospital is doing what you call "Throwing her under the bus" because someone reported it to the board of nursing...Oops. The family of the victim is actually supporting the nurse as well! By the way, she was told to get Versed (Hint brand name) the hospital system has the dispenser where the name Versed is not in place, it is by generic name which is Midazolam- unfortunately, the hospital has a system in place for ICU where you can override medications meaning you do not need an order- BOOM! major issue. And unfortunately, there has been many med errors because of brand and generic names. Not good. Not good at all.
@@irina958 never claimed to be a nurse. However at any given time on my ambulance I carry Fentanyl, Versed, Dilaudid, Morphine, Ketamine, & Etomidate. That’s not including the non-narcotics. Also it should be noted that my family has 3 nurses in it including my Dad (cardiac ICU), Mother (med/surg and RN instructor), as well as my brother (trauma ICU). Not to mention working as a CNA for 3 years in all areas of the hospital including ICU.
To all my fellow Nurses this is why I say take your vacation time and your lunch breaks screw the hospitals we work for because they will never have our backs!!
I heard that Vanderbilt Hospital was paying for the prosecuting attorneys in this case. Is that so that the state will overlook the fact that they didn’t do the mandatory reporting that they were supposed to in a death of this type? Just pay the family off with a little hush money and a NDA and make ReDonda Vaught your scapegoat? Your hospital will be lucky if it can keep itself staffed with nurses after all of this.
Let’s get this straight. The financial settlement is between the hospital and the family. It is expected that there would be a sort of “hush” agreement. That way the family cannot smear the hospital without having both sides of the story. In this instance because the hospital did not give the medication, Radonda acted alone, they are trying to protect the reputation. If the patients family doesn’t feel comfortable with the hush money then they don’t have to accept it. Then there wouldn’t be a hush order.
Should they have reported the error yes however that is not criminal, just bad business practice. Get hit with fines and implement any changes if needed.
@@dklintworth1992 they were given the hush money the week after she died. This laid dormant for 10 months and Vanderbilt thought everything was A-OK. Then this was caught by an anon. call to CMS.
And you have to understand the way this particular drug works - it paralyzes all the muscles in the human body without altering the consciousness in anyway. This woman felt her entire body go numb and then she slowly smother to death because her diaphragm could not move air in and out of her chest. She was fully awake and alert the whole time.
If you are not in healthcare to see and know what it is like then you have no dog in this fight. Every doctor and every nurse has made mistakes - most get caught before it reaches the patient. But when you are caring for 4 to 7 patients mistakes will happen! And the pandemic has exacerbated an already fatigued and PTSD rattled healthcare providers. So should they convict her I hope you know- it- alls have the ability to treat yourselves because WE the nurses are TIRED! And a lot will walk away from patient care for desk jobs. (I walked away - now have a 6 figure salary doing consulting and no fear of being thrown under the bus by executive leadership) And you will see hospitals shut down without nurses to care for patients! Don’t think so hide and watch!
We need nurse lawyers! You have a prosecutor who has no idea about the healthcare world calling us murders! Why no one talks about what with put up with as healthcare personnel, the stress, the workload. How all this affects us nurses in our personal lives!
Prosecutors don't know the details of most of the industries in which they are pursuing criminal charges. Healthcare and nursing are not special. Courts aren't the most just places, in case you weren't aware. Junk science has always been used in the courtroom to both accuse and acquit people.
@@PbAndHoney777 try working their hours plus that workload an try to keep complete focus. Sometimes they are literally so tired from working they can pass out if given 5 minutes to rest because they try to keep focus on task at hand an future ones at that.
Uh, I understand stress, but how does that excuse (1) ignoring the "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" on the ferrule and (2) not recognizing that versed is liquid while VEC is powder. She can read the vial to see how to reconstitute it, but misses the red warning label, the dosage (2mg vs 10mg) and the wrong drug name? This is just a bizarre case. Those weren't even the only errors she made 😬 These were beyond rookie mistakes.
Why not pull her nursing license and bar from any other health-care position? Are they seriously sending her to prison amongst thugs that kill ppl for kicks? 🤔
she already has had her nursing license revoked by the Tennessee nursing board and is no longer able to work as a nurse. and yes, they are trying to send her to prison, this is a malpractice case but Tennessee has made it criminal, ridiculous IMO.
So you people are afraid of consequences if you cost someone their lives. That's OK. You'll do that to someone and then one of the family members will handle it themselves.. you people seriously need to be held accountable
@@parkerlansden8928 i guess you have cozy job. I guess you haven't been in a hospital lately. And i guess you haven't watched/read the events leading to the medication error.
@@acedelizo6430 She should lose her license no doubt.. but I don't believe she should go to prison. Nurses are humans and are capable of making mistakes like the rest of the human population. Had she did this with malicious intent, that would another story altogether.
@@Angel0fTruth exactly my point. Also, based on the story, the problem started with the system they are using. Of course, there are some checks she needed to do before giving medication. Those hospital weaseled their way out of this one.
@@parkerlansden8928 "you people" nurses aren't a different kind of people. Nursing is a high risk job & mistakes are bound to happen. If you want people to work a high risk job, you have to understand that & you can't expect everyone to be perfect all the time. If you do, you should either never accept healthcare or become a healthcare worker yourself so you can practice what you preach. Her nursing license was revoked. That was all the consequence she needed. A prison sentence isn't going to have any benefit as I guarantee she has already learned all there is to learn for her mistake and feels regretful. It's not like she's a malicious person.
My son was 5 years old in Vanderbilt Children's Hospital for port surgery. He was to have a port out of one side of his chest and a port in on the other side. He was awake during surgery. He was supposed to be asleep during surgery but someone made a mistake. Since he has a chronic illness and will continue meds his entire life he is haunted daily by this mistake. He has been through years of Therapy. The person he told about this in recovery told him to never tell anyone!! I would love for that person to step forward and admit the mistake. I think it was the anesthesiologist that made the mistake that told him not to tell. Mistakes can kill people but sometimes they have to live with the terror and PTSD for the rest of their lives. Either way is bad.
Have you pursued criminal charges? I'm not after this your case will be taken very seriously with the testimony of your son. I would as soon as possible.
@@AquafalconHD, this was almost 20 years ago and everyone we spoke with said that because he was a child they would not take this seriously. Or they would say he was dreaming. Due to the trauma he suffered even as a child he refused to go near Vanderbilt. We changed and went to St. Jude until he became too old for that program. St. Jude is the very best hospital I have ever been to. My son is 24 now & still has trouble with PTSD triggers. A big one is going to the dentist & having bright lights in your eyes. It takes him back into the operating room. This alone tells me that he was awake during the surgery. He knew that his eyes were taped, he was strapped down. Too many things a 5 year old would never know about surgery. Thanks so much for your concern.
@@Salem-yy5wn, we were told to never discuss this with him by his therapist unless he initiated the conversation. It has been tough. My husband also has PTSD from his military service. Thanks for your concern.
Bless this defense atty for helping this nurse. The general public should be more worried about what hospital and LTC nurses endured and their patients during Covid. That is gross negligence
my sister who is a nurse thought this case was interesting in the way it was handled because usually when something like this happens, a hospital will settle it civilly and in private so seeing it become such a huge trial was interesting for her.
Oh it was the issue was that the hospital never reported it to the state, the coroner signed the death cerificate as natural causes. Someone tipped off the DA about it but only the nurse got investigated.
It's to cover up the illegal actions of the administration in failing to report. The hospital clearly didn't break the law to protect the nurse. Personally, I think the admin was covering up for the pharmacist. The nurse generally accesses a little tray of meds pre selected by the pharmacist. The only way the wrong med could get in the patient's tray is if the pharmacist pulled it wrong. --and that's something the hospital would cover up.
She most definitely should’ve checked the label. That was a huge mistake. I hope that what comes out of this is an improvement in the safety of nursing but also an improvement for the nurses to be able to access meds easier. She shouldn’t of had to override the machine and I’m sure the pyxis has a million pop ups so it’s understandable if she had alarm fatigue. Hospitals are so noisy with all the beeps and alarms. Maybe they should have the actual users of the machines (nurses) work with the developers of the software to come up with a better way to get meds and have better alerts for dangerous meds instead of pop-ups for everything. And each department should have their own pyxis - she had to get that vecuronium from the ICU pyxis - but radiology should have their own that only has the necessary meds needed for PET/CT scans. Hospitals need to focus on the safety of patients, even if that means paying for updated computers and software. And by law they should all have scanners in each room needed.
And how did she not realize versed is liquid and vecuronium is powder too? I really don't understand how an experienced ICU nurse made that kind of error. She only worked in the ICU for 2 years, but she most definitely would've administered versed. And not monitoring an elderly, travelling ICU patient with a brain bleed after pushing versed is so odd too. Both RNs should've been charged here, RaDonda and the patient's primary nurse.
@@AlcideIzMine sounds like you should have been there. And you should have saved the day. Seems like your suggesting it was intentional manslaughter. Mistakes happen its rare but they happen. Yes she messed up but you people acting as if you never made a mistake on the job are fools. If it is an honest error she needs forgiveness because the guilt that she will live with will remain for the rest of her life. People need to recognize the difference of intent and a mistake or overlaps of judgment. The most beautiful thing that someone can do is forgive the individual who may have caused them pain. I'm not saying that a punishment is not due but a lynching makes you worse than the crime she committed.
@@brickhouse6533 You don't need intent for manslaughter. In TN "negligent homicide" just basically means manslaughter. She wasn't prosecuted for something like 1st degree murder because she most likely didn't intend to kill someone. This was a case of gross negligence that resulted in someone's death, not intentional murder. Her conviction is correct. Negligent homicide and gross neglect of an impaired adult. This was 100% preventable. If she had simply read the vial or called the pharmacy, asked another nurse or even asked the trainee standing right next to her to double-check the med this most likely wouldn't have happened. This wasn't a simple medical error. She made bad choice, after bad choice. If anyone else committed acts this negligent in any other career field you would be prosecuted. This is the equivalent to driving with your eyes closed. Or a cop mistaking their gun for taser and fatally shooting someone. There's making understandable mistakes. Then there's gross negligence. If you think you're going to make as many mistakes as this nurse, you're not only a fool, but dangerous. This is an extreme case. No one sober or competent would ever make a chain of catastrophic mistakes like Vaught. This wasn't one or two mistakes. This was her not doing a single step right.
What I don’t understand here is how people think this mistake has criminal intent. It was a fatal accident and she was stripped of her nursing license- as she should be. She did not murder someone with intent.
I agree it’s a mistake and this should not be charged as a criminal but should loose her license. It doesn’t seem like she did This with intent. There is no perfect nurse but their are some negligent ones who you do have to be on top of at times which is sad. What sucks is that she’s is going to live that. Not all RNs are bad. There are some really good RNs.
Yeah but she killed someone, as a nurse or any medical professional for that matter, we all know that it's your job to double/triple check any medication before giving to patient. It comes with the territory bro
I thought that at first too, but then looked at the details of the case and completely changed my mind. (1) There was a "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" label visible on the ferrule. (2) Versed is liquid. Vecuronium is powder. (3) She read the vial for instructions on how to reconstitute the VEC, so she saw the warning label and the name of the drug on the label (wrong name should've been a red flag). (4) She pushed what she thought was versed on an elderly patient from the ICU and didn't monitor her afterwards. No argument. This was beyond a simple mistake. This was criminal negligence. She worked in the ICU before. She knows you don't reconstitute versed. You also monitor the patient after versed.
Imagine your loved just died in the most horriple way possible because the medication that was administered paralyzed their respiratory system as result of a medication mistake on part of the nurse and the the hospital in turn tells you " The nurse did an oopsie." This is essentially the arguement many of the nurse advocates are making. That doesn't sit well with me as I'm sure it wont sit well with most people and the jury.
I totally agree! I completely understand the work load of nurses but you don’t get to say “oops” I killed someone! Like another commenter said “lots of mistakes are made by nurses and doctors before it’s gets to this point”! Agreed! But if someone looses their life on account of sed mistake I also agree that person or persons should be held accountable.
@@PbAndHoney777 You fail to understand in any system, it's prone to human error. Haven't pilots killed hundreds of people because of an "oopsie "? Does that mean criminal charges? Mistakes happen with patient lives and she shouldn't be convicted, instead given a warning or a revocation of lisence instead.
Why isn’t the son testifying instead of his wife? Because he couldn’t cash the settlement check fast enough! Less than a week he cashed out on his loved one! Now his wife gets up there with crocodile tears because her name wasn’t on the check so they can’t bring it up in court that her son agreed on a monetary settlement instead of letting the public know that his mother was given the wrong med! All about the money! They cashed it and then called anonymously anyway! They say they don’t want the nurse arrested! BULL! Don’t believe a word she says!
You probably shouldn’t comment if you don’t have information. My grandfather is the one who got the settlement not my dad. My mom had more information on what took place which is why she testified. This going to trial is the last thing we wanted. For four years we’ve lived with this nightmare. For four years we are constantly reminded of this every single day. We see it on screens at the gas pump. We turn the tv on and it’s all we’ve seen. We had every chance to press charges ourselves and chose not to. We do not think it was intentional and we don’t want her to face jail time. This was out of our control and quite honestly we found out about it the same time everyone else did. So no my family was not the ones who called this in. No amount of money will ever bring her back. And no amount of money will ever take away the pain we deal with every day.
No because he signed an agreement not to talk. He legally couldn't. The hospital covered it up and years later medicare said no more money unless you investigate.
This is a setting a precedent. I’ve heard of nurses who have accidentally killed a pt by injecting tube feeding into a central line because the lines were taped down ont the pt with the two tubes in close proximity. (I can’t imagine making that mistake since those tubes look nothing alike).
I have never worked in the medical field but this sounds like the same things that I encounter working for big business. They tell you one thing only because of their own legal obligations but the real world work that they expect from you is not possible while trying to keep the obligatory "rules" that the company gives you. For the big company its only about covering themselves and who cares about the average worker?
As a healthcare professional you are trained to verify. She failed to do that. Simply put. It was her lack of action to verify that caused this patient death. A simple checking of the dosage and medication name would had saved her patient. Now a loved one is gone and a family is left to mourn a tragic death. Simply the nurse knows her duty. It’s too late to say it was a mistake. It was negligent of her to not verify. When staying silent and taking short cuts the patient ultimately pays the price with there life. Healthcare professionals have to speak up about these health facilities and the shady things that they do. This is a prime example that they will throw you under to save themselves. Stick together for real change. If that gets you fired, so be it. At least your not breaking ethics and code of integrity.
But did she intentionally kill her? No! I really hope you never make a mistake because you got a hellavu wave of karma coming your way when you do. Or maybe you need medical care and whoops ......mistake
@@timw7256 Clearly you DO NOT work in healthcare. Being held accountable for our actions and the failure to show up is important. Yes people make mistakes. Mistakes is when you do something that you had no knowledge of. Hence it is a mistake. What this nurse did was not a mistake. She did not verify the medication nor the dosage. Which her failure to do her job as she is taught. Every one in health care is taught to VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY BEFORE providing care. No Karma comes to me. I return that negative speech back to sender times infinity.
Wow..... I really feel she wasn't trying to hide this. Seems like an honest mistake that cost a patients life. Now will cost her a big chunk of her own life.
I was in Tennessee with my little brother for my fathers wedding in the summer of 2004, we were hit by a drunk driver and flown to Vanderbilt. My little brother didn’t make it and my dad was messed up and in a coma and his wife was worthless and has two broken legs so my mom flew out, my brother hit his head bad and they said his brain stem snapped in half and they couldn’t do anything to save him but they tried, and then they started pressuring my mom to donate his organs. This will never sit well with me. He was only 12. I almost feel like they killed him to steal his organs for some rich guy who owns the hospital or something. It will never sit right with me. Luckily I only had a broken nose. I had glass in my ears and eyes that they didn’t even clean out and it just healed over into my skin. But two doctors came into my room and said they were going to give me a nose job, they were young plastic surgeons, I said no way. I was lucky and only got a broken nose from the accident. They said your nose will be crooked if you don’t get it worked on by us. I said no thanks and my nose is perfect. I just thought it was creepy like why did they want to give me a nose job at age 15? Would I have even walked out of that place alive if I said yes to the nose job? I was happy to leave that evil place and I will never forgive them for not saving my little brother and pressuring my mom to donate his organs in he time of extreme grief and confusion.
I'm so sorry for your loss but you might need to seek therapy.....not trying to be disrespectful and if you have been to a therapist and you truly feel like all that you said is 100% accurate then you are entitled to that but as someone that has been lucky to come out of the hospital numerous times with very life threatening injuries, I just don't think any nurse or really any doctor would take their oath and just kill a 12 year for a rich man to have an organ
If you missed the memo…medical facilities have increased productivity on the few they hire. More mistakes are coming as your insurance premiums increase and all of the elites profit off of you & I.
Its not so much about being guilty of the horrible mistake and crime, its the degree of punishment that many feel is too extreme in this specific instance. The family of the patient/woman who died knows more about this case than any of the public. Listen to their perspectives and opinions to maybe gain a better understanding. The mistake itself is not debated, it was the worst kind of mistake and deserves appropriate punishment. It's the point that it was not intentional or premeditated, no ill intention. Along with the fact that the nurse did not attempt to hide her terrible mistake. Many feel that the punishment does not fit the crime, that its too extreme. I hope I explained this correctly.
@@dustinwilliams2276 I appreciate that she didn't try to hide it and that it wasn't premeditated. I just can't wrap my mind around all the support she has gotten. Every job has consequences that you willingly sign up for. She was apparently bad at her job. Don't get me wrong. I hate Vanderbilt (Nashville native) and I'm sure they have fault in this as well. But, so does she. Just because she is a nurse she should be immune to the consequences of her actions?
@@-SarahElizabeth- Nobody (that I'm aware of) has said she's not guilty of making a grave mistake. They feel she deserves consequences/punishment, but not to such a harsh degree as prison. They feel the punishment is disproportionate to the mistake made. They feel a nurse should lose their license, job, fines, permanent record, etc, but prison is not beneficial to either side, nor the public, nor taxpayers, in this instance. They are looking at the bigger picture and the long run. Add to that theres a future potential high risk that nurses who make a mistake (which are bound to happen, no human is without error) will be so fearful of prison that they will start to hide their mistakes rather than report them. I am not a nurse, however this is what many have expressed to me.
The mistakes she made lead me to believe that she wasn't properly trained. She definitely didn't have enough experience. Vanderbilt Hospital, the nurse administrator, her manager, the patient's nurse, her colleagues all failed her. She shouldn't have been in that role. Two years is not enough. Doctors get to specialize, nurses don't.
ALL NURSES ARE OVERWORKED !!!! THEY HAVE TO DO A THANKLESS JOB AND EXHAUST THEMSELVES BECAUSE GUESS WHAT!!!! COVID DEVASTATED THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU NED TO SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT WOMEN LIKE HER DO WHAT SHE NO LONGER CAN LEGALLY
The thought that healthcare workers expect society to accept nurses should be able kill with impunity and be exempt from prosecution is chilling. NO one is above the law and since healthcare workers (like Police Officers) are in positions of trust and duty, those that dare to commit egregious gross negligence to the point of a criminal level should actually face enhanced charges, not get off scott free! I agree 100% with what an RN recently said regarding Radonda Vaught. He said - "I’ve been seeing an outpouring of support for Radonda Vaught lately and what she did at Vanderbilt hospital. And it seems like this is an unpopular opinion. But I’m allowed to have it. We were told in nursing school that if you follow the rules then mistakes will be forgiven. Vaught did not follow the rules. Every single one of my NICU nurses should know the words printed in bold at the top of every vial of vecuronium, they’re unmistakeable and I saw them every single solitary time I’ve ever given that drug. There was nothing “unintentional” about it. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a failure. It was bad nursing. If she would’ve read the vial she pulled out of the Pyxis ONE TIME this wouldn’t have happened. She pulled a vial out of the Pyxis and didn’t read it then, she didn’t read it when she drew it up, and she didn’t read it before she injected it into the patient’s body. The system didn’t fail her. She failed as a nurse and killed the person she was supposed to be helping because she was negligent and careless. If you think you can’t be a nurse anymore because you can’t read a medication vial you’re about to put in some one else’s body then please leave before you kill someone too. She didn’t follow the steps of the nursing process in any perceivable form. She didn’t assess, intervene, reassess. She gave what she thought was versed and didn’t question why the patient wasn’t on a monitor, she didn’t do a follow up set of vitals/assessment. She failed at every turn. Everything she did was wrong. At every opportunity to prevent this from happening Radonda Vaight failed as a nurse. That’s why I don’t have her back, that shy she needs to go to jail. She killed a patient she was responsible for promoting the health of. Not because she was failed by nursing but because she failed nursing and doesn’t deserve that title any more. If you plow through a school zone and missed the sign because you were distracted by the GPS and you kill a kid going to school and then blame a distraction then screw you. Don’t drive any more".
@Rasmine's Spirit Animal Message Hopefully the ones who are threatening to leave the bedside actually should leave before they kill someone like Radonda Vaught did! I wouldn't want any of the nurses who are siding with a convicted killer to come anywhere near me or my loved ones in a healthcare environment.
Go ahead and piss off 95%of nurses, that nurse you quoted sounds like a yes man for a hospital trying to get a promotion but I will tell you that if it is thought that if you make a mistake, you can go to jail for homicide, even if you don't follow every rule to a t, which I can Guarantee everyone on here has done in their profession, even if you aren't in the medical field, then you will see million more people dying every year due to a lack of nurses, unless you want to responsible for death due to actual neglect please stfu
My heart goes out to this nurse I can see if on every shift that she works somebody died , I would say yeah she's doing it on purpose but this was a honest mistake and unfortunately a lady died but it was an honest mistake she didn't do it on intentionally !!!!
She wasn’t charged with murder, the DA isn’t claiming she intentionally killed a woman. Everyone knows it was a mistake. However, that does NOT excuse the fact that her negligence directly ended the life of another. That’s why it’s negligent homicide. Nursing is a very serious profession, you have ppl’s lives in your hands. Nurses and all health workers need to be on top of their game at all times. Clear headed and attentive. Ppl know when they’re overworked or exhausted and if she was those things it was her obligation to alert her supervisor or charge nurse. We as a society we can’t afford to turn a blind eye from this one.
This is why only one name should be used for a drug and the hospital should be responsible she took all the right steps and was cleared till Money came into the picture, this is a travesty if you need a life saving drug in the moment it's not gonna be available because the computer system is down not working right. Vanderbuilt should be ashamed
It brings up a list of stocked meds with the entire name. Some can't be over ridden . It's always generic and ours has safety messages we have to acknowledge before pulling (can cause respiratory depression, paralytic, etc). Not sure if they had powdered form of vec which has to be reconstituted but the patient's 5 rights were definitely not adhered to. But she doesn't deserve prison . Change the process and hold them accountable too; shouldn't have e a vandy professor as the prosecutor either
one safety feature could be requiring to type the full name of the drug. No system is full proof and that would totally suck to have to do that but it would be better than typing the first couple of letters 🤷♀️ This whole thing is so unfortunate
I have a better idea… look at the damn vial! This could have been avoided if Radonda took 2 seconds extra and read the label. There does not have to be vast overhaul for a nurse to look at the medication she pulled and confirm the right medication. Stop sticking up for here reckless endangerment of her patient. She violated her hippocratic oath she swore to when she was pinned. (Yes I understand that is mostly spiritual now however back whenever hospitals were run out of Convents and had nuns functioning as nurses, they made sure to uphold that oath.
She had only been a nurse for 2 years, and they had her as a float, going from unit to unit, AND training a student nurse as this happened. That's all distracting. Look, I'm only an aide, I work in a nursing home, but I can easily see how this happened. How much overtime was she working and how much was she pressured to work past safe amounts? We are human too.
This is ridiculous. To call this woman a murderer.Are you kidding me?! What’s funny is people don’t even know how many mistakes happen everyday all over the world and they are not reported. This woman is not guilty of murder. Whoever accepts this accusation as substantial is high on something.
I have an opinion, but I have more experience as a patient then almost anyone and it is relevant to my thought process so please bear with me. I suffered a taught-cord brain-injury at birth in the 1950s. My esophagus collapsed at 2:00 am on the 2nd night of my life. The record says our family physician rushed in to help stabilize me. Although I suffered a brain injury, I ended up with a measured IQ of 135 to 148. I now know about neuro-plasticity but if
Doctors now have malpractice insurance because they can be held liable for their errors, nurses ought to be held liable as well. Some mistakes are at the cost of a life. That is not okay. However, I don't know if all cases should be criminally charged. I think there should be some review to determine if someone was acting in a criminal way when the error occurred. Neglect, or abuse are criminal for sure. Being distracted is not criminal, and often not the fault of the nurse. How medications are stored and organized is a major issue. Certain medications should not be stored with others. They say the names of these two meds in question were similar. That is a big deal. I hope the hospital corrects their errors here, of which there are several.
The names of the meds were not similar. And versed is liquid. Vecuronium is powder. So she would have to read the vial for instructions on how to reconstitute the VEC and there's no way she didn't see the big "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" on the ferrule. She'd also see that the vial's label says vecuronium instead of versed (or the generic name). Anyone who worked in the ICU previously like her knows versed isn't a powder too.
It’s an automated medication system so no one is handing her the medicine. The hospital should have absolutely been held accountable, but as usual they get off with nothing & leave their healthcare providers to fend for themselves. Even though it was the hospital’s decision to hide her mistake after she immediately told her bosses that she made a mistake.
For any and all medications disbursed by the system then another Authorized Nurse should verify and confirm then. Especially, since overriding was being done and the pandemic has diminished/tired our nurse staffing. It’s understandable to be Exhausted in that field but confirmed verifications multiple times is a MUST!!!
I am watching the Husle trial. I can say both hospitals lacked safety measures. It seems like all doctors and nurses use the override on the medication machines on a consistent basis.
Override is a function we use on a DAILY basis. We have to, in order to get the medications we need to give to pts at specific times. If we didn’t use override, then someone’s mother might not get that dose of amniodorone, or that dose of potassium to keep her heart functioning. The computer systems are old, they are junky, and they have hundreds upon thousands of safety nets in place, where 70% of those safety nets aren’t needed. In this case though, it appears that safety net never caught her failed attempt to prevent a medication error. It is a fundamental and basic foundation as a nurse to check the medication before they give it to the patient. If the nurse doesn’t do that, then they violate one of the most important ethics of nursing practice as a whole. Myself included, I would find it hard to make this mistake, but it can happen to ANYONE.
My “friend” I’ll just say works at one of best hospitals in our state. it’s literally a rarity that medication is dispensed WITHOUT an override. Every hospital does it and the only day they don’t override are the days the joint commission are present.
I'm watching Husle, too. There were safeguards. Many people (doctors, nurses, pharmacists) who knew either from the chart or were administering the med that that was going on. Husel made a comment that the pharmacy is not going to control how much medication he gives. That could have been stopped. However, the hospital did lack enough safeguards at the administrative level (like post mortum reviews, pharmaceutical records etc) which allowed him to have free reign. Also, the patients died so no one ever reviewed that last dosage. That is a problem.
@@ehh2681 Maybe you need a new career before you kill someone, if you are overriding policies and not following them then you deserve the consequences just as I do in my job if I was to override safety policies.
My heart goes to RaDonda but also to the patient who died and the family. Nursing is not just a career, it is a vocation. This is a learning experience for all nurses. We were trained to ASK if in doubt.This is not about the system. Nursing 101, we should use 5' Rs in giving medication. We should know the medication , why are we giving medication, side effects, contraindication, and expiration. There were RED flags but it was ignored. You can't just get medications without checking if it is the right meds. It looks like she's inexperience nurse. Versed doesn't comes in powder form. The paralytic meds has paralytic on top of the vial, you can't miss it. For all the nurses, don't lose your interest in nursing. You can avoid this if you will practice what you've learned from your school, orientation. Don't work if you are tired. ASK questions and help if necessary.
Don’t put all the blame with this nurse….The HOSPITAL IS ALSO LIABLE WITH THIS ,because of their UNSAFETY patient-nurse ratio , that is why this mistake happening …. Also those paralytic drug should not given by one nurse …it should be checked by other nurse ( head nurse on duty )or other senior staff nurse before giving it ….not only the nurse but also the doctor should checked the patient on the time they were in in the area , another reason of this medication error are Most of the nurses are understaffed and they handling too much patient that causes this medication error …I am a registered nurse in a hospital and handling 10 or more patients and it’s totally frustrating …even you don’t want to commit mistake it happens because of too much patients , understaffed in the area ,lots of nursing procedure and medication order that you need to finish in some specific time…even eating, drinking or going to Comfort room you cannot do it because of lots of patient that you need to handle at the same time…The worst thing is the HOSPITAL , THE HIGHER UP PEOPLE WHO IN THE POSITION AND YOUR MANAGER are blind with those problem and they will PUT THE BLAME ON YOU ALL….even they knew that their UNSAFETY PATIENT-RATIO and DONT HAVE STRICT SYSTEM OF MEDICATION ARE THE REASON OF It. NO ONE WANTS TO COMMIT MISTAKE AND KILLED THE PERSON YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF BUT ITS HAPPENS …
first of all heavy medication like that is usually not even in the machine not even in the room not even on the floor to be able to mix up med names. Secondly all these overrides and all the stupid stuff that they put into place to try to make it safe actually makes us more behind and then we try to rush some more to get our meds out in time. It's the worst thing that has been implemented. Just like this fancy software in a nursing home I guarantee you you're family members not getting medicated correctly because of all the crap we have to click nobody has time to actually give the medication like it's supposed to be given I promise you it's physically impossible
@@halledavis4997 Well I've worked in the ER and I've never seen it but I damn Skippy know that verset is the brand name and vecuronium is generic. And she should've known
@@ninaj933 The nurse made a mistake. However, to open the discussion. Why would the hospital not update their systems? Why are their brand names and generic names of medications in a dispensing cabinet. There are devices where you cannot pull medications without another nurse co-signing with their fingerprint.
I’ve been saying common sense but folks acting like this is a Common Everyday thing in the hospitals…slap on the hand send her back to her Regular Shift today. Sorry this happened to your Mother.
I understand that technology is the way of the future but here you clearly see technology isn't always accurate. Here in the units/wards there is a controlled drugs cabinet that is always kept locked and the nurse in charge or nurse manager for the shift keeps the key and in case of an emergency or usage of a controlled drug, two nurses must sign and check for that drug before it is used.
My son was placed on his side after major surgery by nurses. I came in and found him - rang the bell for a nurse and told them the doctor told me he should remain on his back and not be on his side. They ignored me. They looked at me like I was a 'problem.' My son was in so much pain tears were streaming down his face. Eventually, the doc told them a person with that surgery is never placed on their side. They treated us terribly for the remainder of the stay. I was in the hospital for gastrointestinal surgery and the nurse told me I would have to remain in an upright sitting position all day because I had a sip of water. I told her the doctor told me if I had a sip of water I had to remain in an upright position for 1 hour, so I told her that. She was angry. Later, her boss came and an yelled at me to stop abusing his nurses. I was in pain from sitting and had no strength to respond. My family got hold of the doc who told the nurses to lower my bed and keep it that way unless I had a sip of water when I would sit for 1 hour. I have had a nurse inject morphine into my IV when I told her I was having a reaction to it. I preferred the Extra Strength Tylenol. She went to go get the Tylenol and found I had no more left on my script so she injected me with the morphine so I would not be in pain... I spent the next several hours with shortness of breath and anxiousness. I now have morphine on my list of drug allergies. The pole that would allow me to go to the bathroom alone at night once I could walk was so tangled with my cords it was impossible to move. Nobody cared. Finally one day an angel came to my room. She was a young nurse who said what a mess it was and she spent several minutes untangling the cords and rehanging everything. She also straightened my bed and fluffed my pillow. It was the best thing that happened to me in my entire hospital experience. She clearly cared about her patients. I could trust her to take care of me. During Covid, the nurses at my husband's hospital did not sanitize their hands between patients. I watched them go from one room after being in it for 10 minutes and come directly to his room without changing gloves or sterilizing anything. I mentioned it to the front desk and they said they would 'take care of it.' Nothing changed. My husband's catheter leaked and he was saturated - so I asked the nurse who was checking him if his gown and bed could be changed. She said she didn't do that and they were short on aides that day. I said if they brought me the linens I would do it as I had been a CNA in my earlier years. They ended up grudgingly coming back - the nurse and an aide. When they got the sheet off, the plastic over the mattress had urine sitting in the folds. They looked at it and put a blanket over it vs cleaning it. I was shocked. Going to the nurses' station used to elicit a greeting. Now you stand, ignored, for a long time before someone begrudgingly notices you. And your request is often received as a burden. Mistakes happen all too often. That poor woman in this case, died a brutal death because she couldn't breathe. She was probably terrified - it would have been as bad as being suffocated or strangled to death. All because a nurse was too distracted to check the label for the proper medication and to notice the CLEAR RED LABEL indicating it was a dangerous drug. The verdict was correct. Very, very correct.
As a healthcare worker. She should go to jail. The end. Pay more attention…it is YOUR JOB!! You’re working at the hospital, you’re not a damn barista messing a drink up!! This should be an eye opener for those healthcare workers who are in a hurry.
What type of healthcare worker are you? Are you a nurse? Have you ever had to deal with systems being down? Or having to care for 5 patients at once? She should lose her license not go to jail.
@@florenciaguillenea427 no one is above making a mistake and absolutely no nurse is perfect. She owned up to her mistake IMMEDIATELY and faced consequences. It was the hospital she worked for that covered up the facts and tried to sweep it under the rug. Yes she made an egregious mistake, that’s not the question here. The fact is, as nurses, this sets a precedent for us to face now where at any time we can be the fall guy for the hospital when THEY lie, cover up, or hide things. She did everything right when it came to reporting her mistake. Not even the family wanted her charged. Look at the bigger picture here.
As a nurse of 16 years I agree with you. She was reckless and deserves more than just losing her license. The depth of stupidity and recklessness she displayed is no different than choosing to get into a car drunk and killing someone’s family member. She deserves jail time and is an embarrassment to my profession
She didn’t purposely hurt her it was a mistake she’s human. Shame on you for accusing that nurses are evil we go into nursing to help people not hurt them. She pulled the wrong medication on ACCIDENT!
The hospital did not administer the drug, the hospital did not tell Radonda to administer the Vecuronium, the hospital did not bypass all the safeguards put in place at the pyxis station to get the meds… Radonda did. Stop passing blame to other people.
Never claimed to be a nurse… just stating the obvious. However let’s do a thought experiment. What role did the hospital play in Radonda pulling a completely different class of medication? If you can make a strong argument in favor of the hospital being responsible I will publicly admit I was wrong, until then…
@@dklintworth1992 hey, just to open the discussion... the nurse made a mistake... but we must look at the system itself. Why is that the medication dispensing cabinet would allow a medication to be dispensed without a witness? They have systems where you cannot pull medication unless there is another person there to co-sign with their finger print. How long was the system at Vanderbilt allowing nurses to work with a system that did not fortify the checks and balances?
@@GOODYTOOSH again the hospital can implement any and all the changes possible but in the world of humans there are still going to be errors. The absolute final check to these systems is the nursing staff. Not only that the Radonda did not place the patient on the cardiac monitor which is from my knowledge of the case mandatory when giving a sedative like Versed let alone Vecuronium. Not only that Radonda tore off the label saying PARALYZING AGENT. The safeguards were already in place. Could there always be room for improvement yes but is it solely on the hospital no.
The hospital should be on trial!
Bingo!
One simple question that nobody has given a good answer for is…Why is Vanderbilt responsible
@@dklintworth1992 you need to be an ICU RN and go work at a hospital- any hospital; and you shall find your answer. It is more complicated than you think. Does she deserve to have her license taken away? Absolutely, she did ignore the warnings; BUT she does not deserve going to prison for it. The hospital tried to cover her mistake in the first place, and now the hospital is doing what you call "Throwing her under the bus" because someone reported it to the board of nursing...Oops. The family of the victim is actually supporting the nurse as well!
By the way, she was told to get Versed (Hint brand name) the hospital system has the dispenser where the name Versed is not in place, it is by generic name which is Midazolam- unfortunately, the hospital has a system in place for ICU where you can override medications meaning you do not need an order- BOOM! major issue. And unfortunately, there has been many med errors because of brand and generic names. Not good. Not good at all.
@@dklintworth1992 Its Obvious by ur comments that you ain’t a Nurse.
@@irina958 never claimed to be a nurse. However at any given time on my ambulance I carry Fentanyl, Versed, Dilaudid, Morphine, Ketamine, & Etomidate. That’s not including the non-narcotics. Also it should be noted that my family has 3 nurses in it including my Dad (cardiac ICU), Mother (med/surg and RN instructor), as well as my brother (trauma ICU). Not to mention working as a CNA for 3 years in all areas of the hospital including ICU.
As a nurse, you should ALWAYS make sure you are paying attention and giving the right meds and treatment!!!
To all my fellow Nurses this is why I say take your vacation time and your lunch breaks screw the hospitals we work for because they will never have our backs!!
Amen! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Prison is designed to keep dangerous people separate from society. This was an honest, horrible mistake but she doesn’t deserve to be behind bars.
Them why is more then half the prison population non violent drug offenders
They shouldn’t be there either
I heard that Vanderbilt Hospital was paying for the prosecuting attorneys in this case. Is that so that the state will overlook the fact that they didn’t do the mandatory reporting that they were supposed to in a death of this type? Just pay the family off with a little hush money and a NDA and make ReDonda Vaught your scapegoat? Your hospital will be lucky if it can keep itself staffed with nurses after all of this.
Let’s get this straight. The financial settlement is between the hospital and the family. It is expected that there would be a sort of “hush” agreement. That way the family cannot smear the hospital without having both sides of the story. In this instance because the hospital did not give the medication, Radonda acted alone, they are trying to protect the reputation.
If the patients family doesn’t feel comfortable with the hush money then they don’t have to accept it. Then there wouldn’t be a hush order.
Should they have reported the error yes however that is not criminal, just bad business practice. Get hit with fines and implement any changes if needed.
the prosecution works for the state (attorney general who presses charges). No one pays for prosecutors except the government.
@@dklintworth1992 they were given the hush money the week after she died. This laid dormant for 10 months and Vanderbilt thought everything was A-OK. Then this was caught by an anon. call to CMS.
That's ridiculous. We pay the prosecutors. They're government employees.
And you have to understand the way this particular drug works - it paralyzes all the muscles in the human body without altering the consciousness in anyway. This woman felt her entire body go numb and then she slowly smother to death because her diaphragm could not move air in and out of her chest. She was fully awake and alert the whole time.
Yes a horrifying death due to the nurse not paying attention 10 times! One simple glance at the bottle or computer screen would have avoided this
Sounds like The Hospital needs to be charged as well.
If you are not in healthcare to see and know what it is like then you have no dog in this fight. Every doctor and every nurse has made mistakes - most get caught before it reaches the patient. But when you are caring for 4 to 7 patients mistakes will happen! And the pandemic has exacerbated an already fatigued and PTSD rattled healthcare providers. So should they convict her I hope you know- it- alls have the ability to treat yourselves because WE the nurses are TIRED! And a lot will walk away from patient care for desk jobs. (I walked away - now have a 6 figure salary doing consulting and no fear of being thrown under the bus by executive leadership) And you will see hospitals shut down without nurses to care for patients! Don’t think so hide and watch!
Well said ! ✊🏼
@@charityhope9546 Vec also has to be reconstituted unlike the Versed
4 -7? where is this at and are they hiring? lol
As patients we have a dog in this fight! Start learning to read labels on vials! Damn!
@@ChelseaOnMainStreet ER in Atlanta
We need nurse lawyers! You have a prosecutor who has no idea about the healthcare world calling us murders! Why no one talks about what with put up with as healthcare personnel, the stress, the workload. How all this affects us nurses in our personal lives!
Prosecutors don't know the details of most of the industries in which they are pursuing criminal charges. Healthcare and nursing are not special. Courts aren't the most just places, in case you weren't aware. Junk science has always been used in the courtroom to both accuse and acquit people.
You so called nurses need to go back and get educated!
I’m sick of you people killing people and saying, “Oops my bad.”
Screw u
@@PbAndHoney777 try working their hours plus that workload an try to keep complete focus. Sometimes they are literally so tired from working they can pass out if given 5 minutes to rest because they try to keep focus on task at hand an future ones at that.
Uh, I understand stress, but how does that excuse (1) ignoring the "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" on the ferrule and (2) not recognizing that versed is liquid while VEC is powder.
She can read the vial to see how to reconstitute it, but misses the red warning label, the dosage (2mg vs 10mg) and the wrong drug name?
This is just a bizarre case. Those weren't even the only errors she made 😬 These were beyond rookie mistakes.
Yes, 76 patients last night....2 CNAs, 2 nurses. Criminal...medical Mafia. It's allowed. Profit first, patients last.
Why not pull her nursing license and bar from any other health-care position? Are they seriously sending her to prison amongst thugs that kill ppl for kicks? 🤔
she already has had her nursing license revoked by the Tennessee nursing board and is no longer able to work as a nurse. and yes, they are trying to send her to prison, this is a malpractice case but Tennessee has made it criminal, ridiculous IMO.
You can see that she doesn't have the fight in her anymore. I think most of us nurses feel the same way. The system has been screwing us since day 1.
So you people are afraid of consequences if you cost someone their lives. That's OK. You'll do that to someone and then one of the family members will handle it themselves.. you people seriously need to be held accountable
@@parkerlansden8928 i guess you have cozy job. I guess you haven't been in a hospital lately. And i guess you haven't watched/read the events leading to the medication error.
@@acedelizo6430 She should lose her license no doubt.. but I don't believe she should go to prison. Nurses are humans and are capable of making mistakes like the rest of the human population. Had she did this with malicious intent, that would another story altogether.
@@Angel0fTruth exactly my point. Also, based on the story, the problem started with the system they are using. Of course, there are some checks she needed to do before giving medication. Those hospital weaseled their way out of this one.
@@parkerlansden8928 "you people" nurses aren't a different kind of people. Nursing is a high risk job & mistakes are bound to happen. If you want people to work a high risk job, you have to understand that & you can't expect everyone to be perfect all the time. If you do, you should either never accept healthcare or become a healthcare worker yourself so you can practice what you preach.
Her nursing license was revoked. That was all the consequence she needed. A prison sentence isn't going to have any benefit as I guarantee she has already learned all there is to learn for her mistake and feels regretful. It's not like she's a malicious person.
My son was 5 years old in Vanderbilt Children's Hospital for port surgery. He was to have a port out of one side of his chest and a port in on the other side. He was awake during surgery. He was supposed to be asleep during surgery but someone made a mistake. Since he has a chronic illness and will continue meds his entire life he is haunted daily by this mistake. He has been through years of Therapy. The person he told about this in recovery told him to never tell anyone!! I would love for that person to step forward and admit the mistake. I think it was the anesthesiologist that made the mistake that told him not to tell.
Mistakes can kill people but sometimes they have to live with the terror and PTSD for the rest of their lives. Either way is bad.
Have you pursued criminal charges? I'm not after this your case will be taken very seriously with the testimony of your son. I would as soon as possible.
Lana H - I cannot imagine the horror 🥺
@@AquafalconHD, this was almost 20 years ago and everyone we spoke with said that because he was a child they would not take this seriously. Or they would say he was dreaming. Due to the trauma he suffered even as a child he refused to go near Vanderbilt. We changed and went to St. Jude until he became too old for that program. St. Jude is the very best hospital I have ever been to.
My son is 24 now & still has trouble with PTSD triggers. A big one is going to the dentist & having bright lights in your eyes. It takes him back into the operating room. This alone tells me that he was awake during the surgery. He knew that his eyes were taped, he was strapped down. Too many things a 5 year old would never know about surgery.
Thanks so much for your concern.
@@Salem-yy5wn, we were told to never discuss this with him by his therapist unless he initiated the conversation. It has been tough. My husband also has PTSD from his military service. Thanks for your concern.
@@lanah43 I’m sorry to hear that. I hope he’s doing okay now, and that’s something I think everyone couldn’t imagine going through. You’ve raised a strong man.
Imagine your loved one dies and the best they can come up is “the nurse did an oopsie”
Bless this defense atty for helping this nurse. The general public should be more worried about what hospital and LTC nurses endured and their patients during Covid. That is gross negligence
This happened before the pandemic.
We can worry about both and this nurse was negligent and killed a woman. So we’re talking about that now you go somewhere else and talk about whatever
my sister who is a nurse thought this case was interesting in the way it was handled because usually when something like this happens, a hospital will settle it civilly and in private so seeing it become such a huge trial was interesting for her.
Oh it was the issue was that the hospital never reported it to the state, the coroner signed the death cerificate as natural causes. Someone tipped off the DA about it but only the nurse got investigated.
@@megg2826 The nurse needed a better attorney. At most maybe lose her nursing license, but a conviction seems unfair. Maybe she can appeal?
That’s what I thought too, because I’m sure doctors have killed patients too, but you never hear of them going to trial.
The family did settled out of court and received an undisclosed amount of money, but then the state decided to file criminal charges.
It's to cover up the illegal actions of the administration in failing to report. The hospital clearly didn't break the law to protect the nurse. Personally, I think the admin was covering up for the pharmacist. The nurse generally accesses a little tray of meds pre selected by the pharmacist. The only way the wrong med could get in the patient's tray is if the pharmacist pulled it wrong. --and that's something the hospital would cover up.
She most definitely should’ve checked the label. That was a huge mistake. I hope that what comes out of this is an improvement in the safety of nursing but also an improvement for the nurses to be able to access meds easier. She shouldn’t of had to override the machine and I’m sure the pyxis has a million pop ups so it’s understandable if she had alarm fatigue. Hospitals are so noisy with all the beeps and alarms. Maybe they should have the actual users of the machines (nurses) work with the developers of the software to come up with a better way to get meds and have better alerts for dangerous meds instead of pop-ups for everything. And each department should have their own pyxis - she had to get that vecuronium from the ICU pyxis - but radiology should have their own that only has the necessary meds needed for PET/CT scans. Hospitals need to focus on the safety of patients, even if that means paying for updated computers and software. And by law they should all have scanners in each room needed.
And how did she not realize versed is liquid and vecuronium is powder too? I really don't understand how an experienced ICU nurse made that kind of error. She only worked in the ICU for 2 years, but she most definitely would've administered versed. And not monitoring an elderly, travelling ICU patient with a brain bleed after pushing versed is so odd too. Both RNs should've been charged here, RaDonda and the patient's primary nurse.
Lots of shoulds... Should have checked the 5 rights of medication administration. Nursing 101.
@@AlcideIzMine sounds like you should have been there. And you should have saved the day. Seems like your suggesting it was intentional manslaughter. Mistakes happen its rare but they happen. Yes she messed up but you people acting as if you never made a mistake on the job are fools. If it is an honest error she needs forgiveness because the guilt that she will live with will remain for the rest of her life. People need to recognize the difference of intent and a mistake or overlaps of judgment. The most beautiful thing that someone can do is forgive the individual who may have caused them pain. I'm not saying that a punishment is not due but a lynching makes you worse than the crime she committed.
@@brickhouse6533 You don't need intent for manslaughter. In TN "negligent homicide" just basically means manslaughter. She wasn't prosecuted for something like 1st degree murder because she most likely didn't intend to kill someone. This was a case of gross negligence that resulted in someone's death, not intentional murder. Her conviction is correct. Negligent homicide and gross neglect of an impaired adult.
This was 100% preventable. If she had simply read the vial or called the pharmacy, asked another nurse or even asked the trainee standing right next to her to double-check the med this most likely wouldn't have happened.
This wasn't a simple medical error. She made bad choice, after bad choice. If anyone else committed acts this negligent in any other career field you would be prosecuted. This is the equivalent to driving with your eyes closed. Or a cop mistaking their gun for taser and fatally shooting someone.
There's making understandable mistakes. Then there's gross negligence. If you think you're going to make as many mistakes as this nurse, you're not only a fool, but dangerous. This is an extreme case. No one sober or competent would ever make a chain of catastrophic mistakes like Vaught. This wasn't one or two mistakes. This was her not doing a single step right.
You hit the nail on the head.
What I don’t understand here is how people think this mistake has criminal intent. It was a fatal accident and she was stripped of her nursing license- as she should be. She did not murder someone with intent.
I agree it’s a mistake and this should not be charged as a criminal but should loose her license. It doesn’t seem like she did This with intent. There is no perfect nurse but their are some negligent ones who you do have to be on top of at times which is sad. What sucks is that she’s is going to live that. Not all RNs are bad. There are some really good RNs.
@@elizabethfuentes5743 reckless homicide is a manslaughter charge in Tennessee. You don't need intent for a manslaughter charge.
Yeah but she killed someone, as a nurse or any medical professional for that matter, we all know that it's your job to double/triple check any medication before giving to patient. It comes with the territory bro
I thought that at first too, but then looked at the details of the case and completely changed my mind.
(1) There was a "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" label visible on the ferrule.
(2) Versed is liquid. Vecuronium is powder.
(3) She read the vial for instructions on how to reconstitute the VEC, so she saw the warning label and the name of the drug on the label (wrong name should've been a red flag).
(4) She pushed what she thought was versed on an elderly patient from the ICU and didn't monitor her afterwards.
No argument. This was beyond a simple mistake. This was criminal negligence. She worked in the ICU before. She knows you don't reconstitute versed. You also monitor the patient after versed.
She wasn't charged with intent. It was neglect.
Imagine your loved just died in the most horriple way possible because the medication that was administered paralyzed their respiratory system as result of a medication mistake on part of the nurse and the the hospital in turn tells you " The nurse did an oopsie." This is essentially the arguement many of the nurse advocates are making. That doesn't sit well with me as I'm sure it wont sit well with most people and the jury.
Same here!
I totally agree! I completely understand the work load of nurses but you don’t get to say “oops” I killed someone! Like another commenter said “lots of mistakes are made by nurses and doctors before it’s gets to this point”! Agreed! But if someone looses their life on account of sed mistake I also agree that person or persons should be held accountable.
I would be forgiving.
@@PbAndHoney777 You fail to understand in any system, it's prone to human error. Haven't pilots killed hundreds of people because of an "oopsie "? Does that mean criminal charges? Mistakes happen with patient lives and she shouldn't be convicted, instead given a warning or a revocation of lisence instead.
True.. Very True 🤦
Why isn’t the son testifying instead of his wife? Because he couldn’t cash the settlement check fast enough! Less than a week he cashed out on his loved one! Now his wife gets up there with crocodile tears because her name wasn’t on the check so they can’t bring it up in court that her son agreed on a monetary settlement instead of letting the public know that his mother was given the wrong med! All about the money! They cashed it and then called anonymously anyway! They say they don’t want the nurse arrested! BULL! Don’t believe a word she says!
You probably shouldn’t comment if you don’t have information. My grandfather is the one who got the settlement not my dad. My mom had more information on what took place which is why she testified. This going to trial is the last thing we wanted. For four years we’ve lived with this nightmare. For four years we are constantly reminded of this every single day. We see it on screens at the gas pump. We turn the tv on and it’s all we’ve seen. We had every chance to press charges ourselves and chose not to. We do not think it was intentional and we don’t want her to face jail time. This was out of our control and quite honestly we found out about it the same time everyone else did. So no my family was not the ones who called this in. No amount of money will ever bring her back. And no amount of money will ever take away the pain we deal with every day.
No because he signed an agreement not to talk. He legally couldn't. The hospital covered it up and years later medicare said no more money unless you investigate.
This is a setting a precedent. I’ve heard of nurses who have accidentally killed a pt by injecting tube feeding into a central line because the lines were taped down ont the pt with the two tubes in close proximity. (I can’t imagine making that mistake since those tubes look nothing alike).
This does not make me want to go into the medical profession.
I want to slap that prosecutor
I used to work in a hospital. I do need work done, but situations like this make my anxiety go thru the roof.
That's a sign telling you that you're not meant to walk that path.
@@PsoPstrong such ignorance
Hope that DA gets their care at Vandy🤬
She is guilty but not for long term prison . 6 months should be more than enough.
I have never worked in the medical field but this sounds like the same things that I encounter working for big business. They tell you one thing only because of their own legal obligations but the real world work that they expect from you is not possible while trying to keep the obligatory "rules" that the company gives you. For the big company its only about covering themselves and who cares about the average worker?
I actually question the versed too. For an mri? The other drug had no business being in the drug box. I thought it was only safe in the OR.
We give versed and Ativan when a pt can’t tolerate it. There are people with severe claustrophobia so yes we use versed if needed
I thought versed was an aggressive approach too
@@charityhope9546 thank you all for clarifying versed usage.
Yeah it’s given. Usually run from the ED to MRI with meds and a monitor
As a healthcare professional you are trained to verify. She failed to do that. Simply put. It was her lack of action to verify that caused this patient death. A simple checking of the dosage and medication name would had saved her patient. Now a loved one is gone and a family is left to mourn a tragic death. Simply the nurse knows her duty. It’s too late to say it was a mistake. It was negligent of her to not verify. When staying silent and taking short cuts the patient ultimately pays the price with there life. Healthcare professionals have to speak up about these health facilities and the shady things that they do. This is a prime example that they will throw you under to save themselves. Stick together for real change. If that gets you fired, so be it. At least your not breaking ethics and code of integrity.
But did she intentionally kill her? No! I really hope you never make a mistake because you got a hellavu wave of karma coming your way when you do. Or maybe you need medical care and whoops ......mistake
@@timw7256 Clearly you DO NOT work in healthcare. Being held accountable for our actions and the failure to show up is important. Yes people make mistakes. Mistakes is when you do something that you had no knowledge of. Hence it is a mistake. What this nurse did was not a mistake. She did not verify the medication nor the dosage. Which her failure to do her job as she is taught. Every one in health care is taught to VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY,VERIFY BEFORE providing care. No Karma comes to me. I return that negative speech back to sender times infinity.
Wow..... I really feel she wasn't trying to hide this. Seems like an honest mistake that cost a patients life. Now will cost her a big chunk of her own life.
Guilty !!!!!!!
I was in Tennessee with my little brother for my fathers wedding in the summer of 2004, we were hit by a drunk driver and flown to Vanderbilt. My little brother didn’t make it and my dad was messed up and in a coma and his wife was worthless and has two broken legs so my mom flew out, my brother hit his head bad and they said his brain stem snapped in half and they couldn’t do anything to save him but they tried, and then they started pressuring my mom to donate his organs. This will never sit well with me. He was only 12. I almost feel like they killed him to steal his organs for some rich guy who owns the hospital or something. It will never sit right with me. Luckily I only had a broken nose. I had glass in my ears and eyes that they didn’t even clean out and it just healed over into my skin. But two doctors came into my room and said they were going to give me a nose job, they were young plastic surgeons, I said no way. I was lucky and only got a broken nose from the accident. They said your nose will be crooked if you don’t get it worked on by us. I said no thanks and my nose is perfect. I just thought it was creepy like why did they want to give me a nose job at age 15? Would I have even walked out of that place alive if I said yes to the nose job? I was happy to leave that evil place and I will never forgive them for not saving my little brother and pressuring my mom to donate his organs in he time of extreme grief and confusion.
I'm so sorry for your loss but you might need to seek therapy.....not trying to be disrespectful and if you have been to a therapist and you truly feel like all that you said is 100% accurate then you are entitled to that but as someone that has been lucky to come out of the hospital numerous times with very life threatening injuries, I just don't think any nurse or really any doctor would take their oath and just kill a 12 year for a rich man to have an organ
This should NOT BE CRIMINALIZED!! WHO WILL GO INTO NURSING NOW?!
She killed someone. Why is everyone sticking up for her? Being a nurse requires paying attention because things like this can happen.
If you missed the memo…medical facilities have increased productivity on the few they hire. More mistakes are coming as your insurance premiums increase and all of the elites profit off of you & I.
Its not so much about being guilty of the horrible mistake and crime, its the degree of punishment that many feel is too extreme in this specific instance. The family of the patient/woman who died knows more about this case than any of the public. Listen to their perspectives and opinions to maybe gain a better understanding. The mistake itself is not debated, it was the worst kind of mistake and deserves appropriate punishment. It's the point that it was not intentional or premeditated, no ill intention. Along with the fact that the nurse did not attempt to hide her terrible mistake. Many feel that the punishment does not fit the crime, that its too extreme. I hope I explained this correctly.
The hospital also shares some blame. They had some faults to be addressed.
@@dustinwilliams2276 I appreciate that she didn't try to hide it and that it wasn't premeditated. I just can't wrap my mind around all the support she has gotten. Every job has consequences that you willingly sign up for. She was apparently bad at her job. Don't get me wrong. I hate Vanderbilt (Nashville native) and I'm sure they have fault in this as well. But, so does she. Just because she is a nurse she should be immune to the consequences of her actions?
@@-SarahElizabeth- Nobody (that I'm aware of) has said she's not guilty of making a grave mistake. They feel she deserves consequences/punishment, but not to such a harsh degree as prison. They feel the punishment is disproportionate to the mistake made. They feel a nurse should lose their license, job, fines, permanent record, etc, but prison is not beneficial to either side, nor the public, nor taxpayers, in this instance. They are looking at the bigger picture and the long run. Add to that theres a future potential high risk that nurses who make a mistake (which are bound to happen, no human is without error) will be so fearful of prison that they will start to hide their mistakes rather than report them. I am not a nurse, however this is what many have expressed to me.
The mistakes she made lead me to believe that she wasn't properly trained. She definitely didn't have enough experience. Vanderbilt Hospital, the nurse administrator, her manager, the patient's nurse, her colleagues all failed her. She shouldn't have been in that role. Two years is not enough. Doctors get to specialize, nurses don't.
RNs do actually get to specialize to a certain degree
ALL NURSES ARE OVERWORKED !!!! THEY HAVE TO DO A THANKLESS JOB AND EXHAUST THEMSELVES BECAUSE GUESS WHAT!!!! COVID DEVASTATED THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU NED TO SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND BE APPRECIATIVE THAT WOMEN LIKE HER DO WHAT SHE NO LONGER CAN LEGALLY
The thought that healthcare workers expect society to accept nurses should be able kill with impunity and be exempt from prosecution is chilling. NO one is above the law and since healthcare workers (like Police Officers) are in positions of trust and duty, those that dare to commit egregious gross negligence to the point of a criminal level should actually face enhanced charges, not get off scott free! I agree 100% with what an RN recently said regarding Radonda Vaught. He said - "I’ve been seeing an outpouring of support for Radonda Vaught lately and what she did at Vanderbilt hospital. And it seems like this is an unpopular opinion. But I’m allowed to have it.
We were told in nursing school that if you follow the rules then mistakes will be forgiven. Vaught did not follow the rules.
Every single one of my NICU nurses should know the words printed in bold at the top of every vial of vecuronium, they’re unmistakeable and I saw them every single solitary time I’ve ever given that drug. There was nothing “unintentional” about it. It wasn’t a mistake, it was a failure. It was bad nursing. If she would’ve read the vial she pulled out of the Pyxis ONE TIME this wouldn’t have happened. She pulled a vial out of the Pyxis and didn’t read it then, she didn’t read it when she drew it up, and she didn’t read it before she injected it into the patient’s body. The system didn’t fail her. She failed as a nurse and killed the person she was supposed to be helping because she was negligent and careless. If you think you can’t be a nurse anymore because you can’t read a medication vial you’re about to put in some one else’s body then please leave before you kill someone too.
She didn’t follow the steps of the nursing process in any perceivable form. She didn’t assess, intervene, reassess. She gave what she thought was versed and didn’t question why the patient wasn’t on a monitor, she didn’t do a follow up set of vitals/assessment. She failed at every turn. Everything she did was wrong. At every opportunity to prevent this from happening Radonda Vaight failed as a nurse. That’s why I don’t have her back, that shy she needs to go to jail. She killed a patient she was responsible for promoting the health of. Not because she was failed by nursing but because she failed nursing and doesn’t deserve that title any more.
If you plow through a school zone and missed the sign because you were distracted by the GPS and you kill a kid going to school and then blame a distraction then screw you. Don’t drive any more".
@Rasmine's Spirit Animal Message Hopefully the ones who are threatening to leave the bedside actually should leave before they kill someone like Radonda Vaught did! I wouldn't want any of the nurses who are siding with a convicted killer to come anywhere near me or my loved ones in a healthcare environment.
True.. Very True 👍
Go ahead and piss off 95%of nurses, that nurse you quoted sounds like a yes man for a hospital trying to get a promotion but I will tell you that if it is thought that if you make a mistake, you can go to jail for homicide, even if you don't follow every rule to a t, which I can Guarantee everyone on here has done in their profession, even if you aren't in the medical field, then you will see million more people dying every year due to a lack of nurses, unless you want to responsible for death due to actual neglect please stfu
She probably had five nurses behind her at the machine laughing & gossiping and felt rushed.
Not the situation at all.
If they was behind her one of them should’ve Confirmed her override and med dispense!
@@Nda54Gem that’s not required, obviously.
@@chilloften And that’s what needs to change. Sadly.
My heart goes out to this nurse I can see if on every shift that she works somebody died , I would say yeah she's doing it on purpose but this was a honest mistake and unfortunately a lady died but it was an honest mistake she didn't do it on intentionally !!!!
She wasn’t charged with murder, the DA isn’t claiming she intentionally killed a woman. Everyone knows it was a mistake. However, that does NOT excuse the fact that her negligence directly ended the life of another. That’s why it’s negligent homicide.
Nursing is a very serious profession, you have ppl’s lives in your hands. Nurses and all health workers need to be on top of their game at all times. Clear headed and attentive. Ppl know when they’re overworked or exhausted and if she was those things it was her obligation to alert her supervisor or charge nurse.
We as a society we can’t afford to turn a blind eye from this one.
This isn't isolated
Nurses are incredibly understaffed in the United States and the more that remains the same the more tragedies will continue to happen
Nurses are understaffed because they make it so hard to become a nurse
This is why only one name should be used for a drug and the hospital should be responsible she took all the right steps and was cleared till Money came into the picture, this is a travesty if you need a life saving drug in the moment it's not gonna be available because the computer system is down not working right. Vanderbuilt should be ashamed
It brings up a list of stocked meds with the entire name. Some can't be over ridden . It's always generic and ours has safety messages we have to acknowledge before pulling (can cause respiratory depression, paralytic, etc). Not sure if they had powdered form of vec which has to be reconstituted but the patient's 5 rights were definitely not adhered to. But she doesn't deserve prison . Change the process and hold them accountable too; shouldn't have e a vandy professor as the prosecutor either
Wow so tragic.
one safety feature could be requiring to type the full name of the drug. No system is full proof and that would totally suck to have to do that but it would be better than typing the first couple of letters 🤷♀️ This whole thing is so unfortunate
Normally we nurses scan the drug and the patient but apparently the nurse didn’t have that technology available to her in that department
I have a better idea… look at the damn vial! This could have been avoided if Radonda took 2 seconds extra and read the label. There does not have to be vast overhaul for a nurse to look at the medication she pulled and confirm the right medication. Stop sticking up for here reckless endangerment of her patient. She violated her hippocratic oath she swore to when she was pinned.
(Yes I understand that is mostly spiritual now however back whenever hospitals were run out of Convents and had nuns functioning as nurses, they made sure to uphold that oath.
So nurses can’t read anymore?
@@amyroyall1014 this particular nurse could not so Radonda couldn’t be bothered to read one word.
She had only been a nurse for 2 years, and they had her as a float, going from unit to unit, AND training a student nurse as this happened. That's all distracting. Look, I'm only an aide, I work in a nursing home, but I can easily see how this happened. How much overtime was she working and how much was she pressured to work past safe amounts? We are human too.
This is bec Vanderbilt got sued and doesn't want to be liable. Very bad prosecution. Shame on the judge for letting this past the preliminary
This is ridiculous. To call this woman a murderer.Are you kidding me?!
What’s funny is people don’t even know how many mistakes happen everyday all over the world and they are not reported.
This woman is not guilty of murder. Whoever accepts this accusation as substantial is high on something.
Reckless homicide is a manslaughter distinction in Tennessee.
She didn’t read the LABELS…hmmm what would you call it then? A mistake and now she can go back on her routine shift?
I have an opinion, but I have more experience as a patient then almost anyone and it is relevant to my thought process so please bear with me. I suffered a taught-cord brain-injury at birth in the 1950s. My esophagus collapsed at 2:00 am on the 2nd night of my life. The record says our family physician rushed in to help stabilize me. Although I suffered a brain injury, I ended up with a measured IQ of 135 to 148. I now know about neuro-plasticity but if
Nurses are held at the highest penalty for mistakes and they own up to it but Police AKA (government officials)do it deliberately and have immunity.
Exactly
Police Accountability Boards will Change that!
I cannot believe this is happening. This case will affect patient safety negatively. No nurse will want to be honest if it means prison.
Yeah. Nursing shortages will get worse, if that’s even possible!?!?
Can you imagine not being honest? Then they’ll add more charges for you lying
She killed someone and she was a nurse forever
The nurse came clean, the hospital did not.
Accidents happen. Two lives don't have to end.
Doctors now have malpractice insurance because they can be held liable for their errors, nurses ought to be held liable as well. Some mistakes are at the cost of a life. That is not okay. However, I don't know if all cases should be criminally charged. I think there should be some review to determine if someone was acting in a criminal way when the error occurred. Neglect, or abuse are criminal for sure. Being distracted is not criminal, and often not the fault of the nurse. How medications are stored and organized is a major issue. Certain medications should not be stored with others. They say the names of these two meds in question were similar. That is a big deal. I hope the hospital corrects their errors here, of which there are several.
The names of the meds were not similar. And versed is liquid. Vecuronium is powder. So she would have to read the vial for instructions on how to reconstitute the VEC and there's no way she didn't see the big "Warning: Paralyzing Agent" on the ferrule. She'd also see that the vial's label says vecuronium instead of versed (or the generic name).
Anyone who worked in the ICU previously like her knows versed isn't a powder too.
Every nurse is terrified of making a med error and too many good nurses are leaving the field.
Why wasn’t the person who gave her the wrong medicine charged? I’m so confused… why isn’t the hospital being held liable?
It’s an automated medication system so no one is handing her the medicine.
The hospital should have absolutely been held accountable, but as usual they get off with nothing & leave their healthcare providers to fend for themselves. Even though it was the hospital’s decision to hide her mistake after she immediately told her bosses that she made a mistake.
@@sidda3262 ohhh okay I thought I herd someone say they handed me and assumed that’s what happened.. thank you
bcuz that person is a robot literally
For any and all medications disbursed by the system then another Authorized Nurse should verify and confirm then. Especially, since overriding was being done and the pandemic has diminished/tired our nurse staffing. It’s understandable to be Exhausted in that field but confirmed verifications multiple times is a MUST!!!
Because they have money
I am watching the Husle trial. I can say both hospitals lacked safety measures. It seems like all doctors and nurses use the override on the medication machines on a consistent basis.
Override is a function we use on a DAILY basis. We have to, in order to get the medications we need to give to pts at specific times. If we didn’t use override, then someone’s mother might not get that dose of amniodorone, or that dose of potassium to keep her heart functioning.
The computer systems are old, they are junky, and they have hundreds upon thousands of safety nets in place, where 70% of those safety nets aren’t needed. In this case though, it appears that safety net never caught her failed attempt to prevent a medication error.
It is a fundamental and basic foundation as a nurse to check the medication before they give it to the patient. If the nurse doesn’t do that, then they violate one of the most important ethics of nursing practice as a whole. Myself included, I would find it hard to make this mistake, but it can happen to ANYONE.
My “friend” I’ll just say works at one of best hospitals in our state. it’s literally a rarity that medication is dispensed WITHOUT an override. Every hospital does it and the only day they don’t override are the days the joint commission are present.
@Mike Legacy that is my point. Yet, they make it such a big deal in the trial.
I'm watching Husle, too. There were safeguards. Many people (doctors, nurses, pharmacists) who knew either from the chart or were administering the med that that was going on. Husel made a comment that the pharmacy is not going to control how much medication he gives. That could have been stopped. However, the hospital did lack enough safeguards at the administrative level (like post mortum reviews, pharmaceutical records etc) which allowed him to have free reign. Also, the patients died so no one ever reviewed that last dosage. That is a problem.
@@ehh2681 Maybe you need a new career before you kill someone, if you are overriding policies and not following them then you deserve the consequences just as I do in my job if I was to override safety policies.
Oh by the way you can be guilty and still have no ill will intent to kill someone with a bad lawyer
I hope that d.a. never has to go to the hospital
Whatever issues with the hospital all she had to do was read the damn label...something a 10 year old could do
10 years in prison!? Omg!
F nursing!
I guess people have started canceling anyone who make makes a mistake even though they prepared themselves to be qualified to do their job.
This seems like a mistake. Not like something you would send someone to prison for.
Hold the managers accountable
My heart goes to RaDonda but also to the patient who died and the family. Nursing is not just a career, it is a vocation. This is a learning experience for all nurses. We were trained to ASK if in doubt.This is not about the system. Nursing 101, we should use 5' Rs in giving medication. We should know the medication , why are we giving medication, side effects, contraindication, and expiration. There were RED flags but it was ignored. You can't just get medications without checking if it is the right meds. It looks like she's
inexperience nurse. Versed doesn't comes in powder form. The paralytic meds has paralytic on top of the vial, you can't miss it. For all the nurses, don't lose your interest in nursing. You can avoid this if you will practice what you've learned from your school, orientation. Don't work if you are tired. ASK questions and help if necessary.
Nurses march DC. The system failed her. She did not have intent. Everyone should quit that hospital
It was clearly a mistake not homicide
Don’t put all the blame with this nurse….The HOSPITAL IS ALSO LIABLE WITH THIS ,because of their UNSAFETY patient-nurse ratio , that is why this mistake happening …. Also those paralytic drug should not given by one nurse …it should be checked by other nurse ( head nurse on duty )or other senior staff nurse before giving it ….not only the nurse but also the doctor should checked the patient on the time they were in in the area , another reason of this medication error are Most of the nurses are understaffed and they handling too much patient that causes this medication error …I am a registered nurse in a hospital and handling 10 or more patients and it’s totally frustrating …even you don’t want to commit mistake it happens because of too much patients , understaffed in the area ,lots of nursing procedure and medication order that you need to finish in some specific time…even eating, drinking or going to Comfort room you cannot do it because of lots of patient that you need to handle at the same time…The worst thing is the HOSPITAL , THE HIGHER UP PEOPLE WHO IN THE POSITION AND YOUR MANAGER are blind with those problem and they will PUT THE BLAME ON YOU ALL….even they knew that their UNSAFETY PATIENT-RATIO and DONT HAVE STRICT SYSTEM OF MEDICATION ARE THE REASON OF It. NO ONE WANTS TO COMMIT MISTAKE AND KILLED THE PERSON YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF BUT ITS HAPPENS …
This 👏🏽
It was an unfortunate mistake she should not go to jail for an Honest mistake its being human .
It wasn’t one mistake it was at least 13 to 15 for this one medication alone.
first of all heavy medication like that is usually not even in the machine not even in the room not even on the floor to be able to mix up med names. Secondly all these overrides and all the stupid stuff that they put into place to try to make it safe actually makes us more behind and then we try to rush some more to get our meds out in time. It's the worst thing that has been implemented. Just like this fancy software in a nursing home I guarantee you you're family members not getting medicated correctly because of all the crap we have to click nobody has time to actually give the medication like it's supposed to be given I promise you it's physically impossible
We have Vec in the ED and critical care floors. I’ve only used it once most docs prefer other drugs
@@halledavis4997 Well I've worked in the ER and I've never seen it but I damn Skippy know that verset is the brand name and vecuronium is generic. And she should've known
@@julierehoric3856 no no I wasn’t getting snooty I was just saying it’s on critical care units and we have it in the ED that’s all lol
think about that cop that shot the person thinking she had a tazer..Humans make mistakes.....
She should not be criminally charged for this mistake. She was honest so we’re going to just push nurses towards being dishonest now.
It was an accident.
i disagree
@@ninaj933 The nurse made a mistake. However, to open the discussion. Why would the hospital not update their systems? Why are their brand names and generic names of medications in a dispensing cabinet.
There are devices where you cannot pull medications without another nurse co-signing with their fingerprint.
Cool. So when the drunk driver kills your family it's ok. Because it was "an accident"
@@pauldziejman Your example is a false equivalence.
@@pauldziejman How are you going to compare a drunk driver to this situation? Lol Go water the grass Paul !
this happen to my mother, sadly to nurse got away with it.,
she didnt follow basic nursing, you dont give a 90 yr old pt morphine 6mg with a b/p 0f 80/50, what happened to common sense
@@ninaj933 sense*
I’ve been saying common sense but folks acting like this is a Common Everyday thing in the hospitals…slap on the hand send her back to her Regular Shift today.
Sorry this happened to your Mother.
I understand that technology is the way of the future but here you clearly see technology isn't always accurate. Here in the units/wards there is a controlled drugs cabinet that is always kept locked and the nurse in charge or nurse manager for the shift keeps the key and in case of an emergency or usage of a controlled drug, two nurses must sign and check for that drug before it is used.
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Nurses are understaffed because they make it so hard to become a nurse
How about police
She doesn't deserve prison.
The victims
My son was placed on his side after major surgery by nurses. I came in and found him - rang the bell for a nurse and told them the doctor told me he should remain on his back and not be on his side. They ignored me. They looked at me like I was a 'problem.' My son was in so much pain tears were streaming down his face. Eventually, the doc told them a person with that surgery is never placed on their side. They treated us terribly for the remainder of the stay.
I was in the hospital for gastrointestinal surgery and the nurse told me I would have to remain in an upright sitting position all day because I had a sip of water. I told her the doctor told me if I had a sip of water I had to remain in an upright position for 1 hour, so I told her that. She was angry. Later, her boss came and an yelled at me to stop abusing his nurses. I was in pain from sitting and had no strength to respond. My family got hold of the doc who told the nurses to lower my bed and keep it that way unless I had a sip of water when I would sit for 1 hour.
I have had a nurse inject morphine into my IV when I told her I was having a reaction to it. I preferred the Extra Strength Tylenol. She went to go get the Tylenol and found I had no more left on my script so she injected me with the morphine so I would not be in pain... I spent the next several hours with shortness of breath and anxiousness. I now have morphine on my list of drug allergies.
The pole that would allow me to go to the bathroom alone at night once I could walk was so tangled with my cords it was impossible to move. Nobody cared. Finally one day an angel came to my room. She was a young nurse who said what a mess it was and she spent several minutes untangling the cords and rehanging everything. She also straightened my bed and fluffed my pillow. It was the best thing that happened to me in my entire hospital experience. She clearly cared about her patients. I could trust her to take care of me.
During Covid, the nurses at my husband's hospital did not sanitize their hands between patients. I watched them go from one room after being in it for 10 minutes and come directly to his room without changing gloves or sterilizing anything. I mentioned it to the front desk and they said they would 'take care of it.' Nothing changed. My husband's catheter leaked and he was saturated - so I asked the nurse who was checking him if his gown and bed could be changed. She said she didn't do that and they were short on aides that day. I said if they brought me the linens I would do it as I had been a CNA in my earlier years. They ended up grudgingly coming back - the nurse and an aide. When they got the sheet off, the plastic over the mattress had urine sitting in the folds. They looked at it and put a blanket over it vs cleaning it. I was shocked.
Going to the nurses' station used to elicit a greeting. Now you stand, ignored, for a long time before someone begrudgingly notices you. And your request is often received as a burden.
Mistakes happen all too often. That poor woman in this case, died a brutal death because she couldn't breathe. She was probably terrified - it would have been as bad as being suffocated or strangled to death. All because a nurse was too distracted to check the label for the proper medication and to notice the CLEAR RED LABEL indicating it was a dangerous drug. The verdict was correct. Very, very correct.
Thanks for your testimonial. I know it's hard to put it all down in writing, concisely as you have. I know it's hard to recall it all.
The prosecutors in this case are filth.
This nurse made a very critical error.. It's a mistake.. It's not right but it happens, prison isn't the punishment
As a healthcare worker. She should go to jail. The end. Pay more attention…it is YOUR JOB!! You’re working at the hospital, you’re not a damn barista messing a drink up!! This should be an eye opener for those healthcare workers who are in a hurry.
What type of healthcare worker are you? Are you a nurse? Have you ever had to deal with systems being down? Or having to care for 5 patients at once?
She should lose her license not go to jail.
@@michaeldavis1259 Yes, yes I have Michael. ER and ICU. We are dealing with life in our hands everyday. Pay more attention, be more careful.
@@florenciaguillenea427 no one is above making a mistake and absolutely no nurse is perfect. She owned up to her mistake IMMEDIATELY and faced consequences. It was the hospital she worked for that covered up the facts and tried to sweep it under the rug. Yes she made an egregious mistake, that’s not the question here. The fact is, as nurses, this sets a precedent for us to face now where at any time we can be the fall guy for the hospital when THEY lie, cover up, or hide things. She did everything right when it came to reporting her mistake. Not even the family wanted her charged. Look at the bigger picture here.
@@florenciaguillenea427 just curious, how many years have you been a nurse?
As a nurse of 16 years I agree with you. She was reckless and deserves more than just losing her license. The depth of stupidity and recklessness she displayed is no different than choosing to get into a car drunk and killing someone’s family member. She deserves jail time and is an embarrassment to my profession
Wow what a evil nurse. So many evil people become nurses just to hurt people. Shame on her. Hope she gets the maximum.
She didn’t purposely hurt her it was a mistake she’s human. Shame on you for accusing that nurses are evil we go into nursing to help people not hurt them. She pulled the wrong medication on ACCIDENT!
The hospital did not administer the drug, the hospital did not tell Radonda to administer the Vecuronium, the hospital did not bypass all the safeguards put in place at the pyxis station to get the meds… Radonda did. Stop passing blame to other people.
Clearly you have all the information and are a super nurse 🤨
Never claimed to be a nurse… just stating the obvious. However let’s do a thought experiment.
What role did the hospital play in Radonda pulling a completely different class of medication? If you can make a strong argument in favor of the hospital being responsible I will publicly admit I was wrong, until then…
@@dklintworth1992 hey, just to open the discussion... the nurse made a mistake... but we must look at the system itself. Why is that the medication dispensing cabinet would allow a medication to be dispensed without a witness?
They have systems where you cannot pull medication unless there is another person there to co-sign with their finger print. How long was the system at Vanderbilt allowing nurses to work with a system that did not fortify the checks and balances?
@@GOODYTOOSH again the hospital can implement any and all the changes possible but in the world of humans there are still going to be errors. The absolute final check to these systems is the nursing staff.
Not only that the Radonda did not place the patient on the cardiac monitor which is from my knowledge of the case mandatory when giving a sedative like Versed let alone Vecuronium. Not only that Radonda tore off the label saying PARALYZING AGENT. The safeguards were already in place.
Could there always be room for improvement yes but is it solely on the hospital no.
@@GOODYTOOSH it should also be noted that she did not scan the vial prior to administering the medication, so the system was there but she ignored it