No, the side does not come off. That is really bad, cause the whole engine has to come out and torn down...huge job. I know of one other person that did the same thing and he was able to fish it out (with some effort) using a magnet on a flexible rod. I hope you got it out, please update us.
Thanks for posting. Great details. I noticed Indian uses a plastic cam chain tension shoe on the outer cam chain. Did you notice wear on the plastic shoe? Any idea if Indian uses good quality bearings for the inner cam shaft bearings?
I was on a form and I once saw you suggest a type of shifter that can be used on Indian 111 for racing kind like a air shifter but worked of the ignition if you could reply I would be very grateful thanks for this excellent video Sir
Dynojet makes it for the Indians. It is like the air shifter, but no air...just interrupts the injectors when upshifting. Works great. You cannot downshift with it though...that you do normally with the clutch.
No, since I am a tuner, I put my own tune in. If you are interested in tuning visit My Indian Roadmaster Blog where I go through how to tune your bike. Or send me an email once you have your cams in and I will send you a tune for your bike.
The Indian Dealer's estimate included high lift valve springs for the install. I haven't seen any information why they did this for 558s on a 111 TS. Thanks for the quick reply Craig! Also I am going through your tuning videos now for PV3 on the 111TS.
I guess Lloydz does recommend this upgrade "We strongly recommend the use of Indian High-Lift Valve Springs (OEM Part Number: 7045087) and new valve seals (OEM Part Number: 3022580) when performing an OEM or Aftermarket Cam Upgrade on 2018 and earlier models."
@@itguy5670 yes, you absolutely need to install the high lift valve springs or run the risk of valve spring failure and dropping a valve. It has happened. The 558 cams have the same lift as the 585 cams...roughly .603" lift.
Just had a question I was looking at the power vision 4. Would you know if i could use that ti tune my 2016 Indian dark horse I’m going to install a set of 585 loyd cams and new valve springs. I tried to contact Dynojet tech help and they said they can’t send cam tunes. I just wanted to know what you think would way to go. Thanks so much for you’re time and great videos and information
Yes, you are correct, however I find it very hard for me to see the alignment marks on the split gears, so to me, this is fast, easy, and idiot proof way of insuring the engine is at TDC and cam chest is at alignment.
I installed Indian hi-lift valve springs found in their 2019 and newer bikes as well as their BBK. Yes, they are well suited for the Lloyd’z cams. They are a must if installing the stage 3 Indian cam from the BBK or either of the Lloyd’z cams. If the lift is less then .580”, the stock springs are fine.
Thanks! Sounds great! I developed a tune for both stock factory calibration and stage 2 factory calibration. I might go back and add the sound as I want to edit the video from a comment made by RacnRay on the Indian Motorcycle Net forum. I've grown to really like the 558 cams, once properly tuned. Very nice and smooth power, comes on much stronger then stage 2 cams.
Nice footage! Thanks for the recommendation too. 🤙🏻
I’d like to try the Lloyds tooling myself.
Hey I dropped one of the keys in the engine🤦♂️whats the does the whole side come off or do i need to drop the engine
No, the side does not come off. That is really bad, cause the whole engine has to come out and torn down...huge job. I know of one other person that did the same thing and he was able to fish it out (with some effort) using a magnet on a flexible rod. I hope you got it out, please update us.
@IndianTuning thanks for the reply. I fished it out with a magnet, it took 2 days to find it. Happy as now😁 glad I didn't need to pull the engine!
Thanks for posting. Great details. I noticed Indian uses a plastic cam chain tension shoe on the outer cam chain. Did you notice wear on the plastic shoe? Any idea if Indian uses good quality bearings for the inner cam shaft bearings?
Very slight wear. In the 4 years I have been dealing with Indian bikes I have not heard of one bearing failure. Very robust design.
I was on a form and I once saw you suggest a type of shifter that can be used on Indian 111 for racing kind like a air shifter but worked of the ignition if you could reply I would be very grateful thanks for this excellent video Sir
I was around when the jackpot head pipe first came out and the flash tuner I still have my bike it only has bout 7000 miles on it
Dynojet makes it for the Indians. It is like the air shifter, but no air...just interrupts the injectors when upshifting. Works great. You cannot downshift with it though...that you do normally with the clutch.
Great video
After the cams are installed, Did you have Lloydz do a remote tune?
No, since I am a tuner, I put my own tune in. If you are interested in tuning visit My Indian Roadmaster Blog where I go through how to tune your bike. Or send me an email once you have your cams in and I will send you a tune for your bike.
The Indian Dealer's estimate included high lift valve springs for the install. I haven't seen any information why they did this for 558s on a 111 TS. Thanks for the quick reply Craig! Also I am going through your tuning videos now for PV3 on the 111TS.
I guess Lloydz does recommend this upgrade "We strongly recommend the use of Indian High-Lift Valve Springs (OEM Part Number: 7045087) and new valve seals (OEM Part Number: 3022580) when performing an OEM or Aftermarket Cam Upgrade on 2018 and earlier models."
@@itguy5670 yes, you absolutely need to install the high lift valve springs or run the risk of valve spring failure and dropping a valve. It has happened. The 558 cams have the same lift as the 585 cams...roughly .603" lift.
Just had a question I was looking at the power vision 4. Would you know if i could use that ti tune my 2016 Indian dark horse I’m going to install a set of 585 loyd cams and new valve springs. I tried to contact Dynojet tech help and they said they can’t send cam tunes. I just wanted to know what you think would way to go. Thanks so much for you’re time and great videos and information
Just FYI you don’t have to spin the crank so many times. Just have to line up gear marks. Marks on the chain and gears are for assembly.
Yes, you are correct, however I find it very hard for me to see the alignment marks on the split gears, so to me, this is fast, easy, and idiot proof way of insuring the engine is at TDC and cam chest is at alignment.
How about the valve springs, which ones are you using and are they well suited for the Llyodz?
I installed Indian hi-lift valve springs found in their 2019 and newer bikes as well as their BBK. Yes, they are well suited for the Lloyd’z cams. They are a must if installing the stage 3 Indian cam from the BBK or either of the Lloyd’z cams. If the lift is less then .580”, the stock springs are fine.
Can you share the manufacturer of your wheel chock?
Wheel Dock - Indian Motorcycle Wheel Chock
wheeldock.com/products/indian-wheel-chock?variant=26289576707
Are you using loctite on the cam and crank bolts during re-assembly?
Yes, blue #243
@@IndianTuning thanks, do you loctite the timing cover bolts? I could not find this in the manual
tkben002 you can use blue loctite if you want. I do not use it on mine and have not had any issues with leaks or looseness.
Nice man. Would like to have heard it run! I’m thinking of putting these in my Springfield. Engine still feels smooth?
Thanks! Sounds great! I developed a tune for both stock factory calibration and stage 2 factory calibration. I might go back and add the sound as I want to edit the video from a comment made by RacnRay on the Indian Motorcycle Net forum. I've grown to really like the 558 cams, once properly tuned. Very nice and smooth power, comes on much stronger then stage 2 cams.
The engine is very smooth with the Indian Stage 3 cams in my bike.
Fantastic job!!! I too would love to hear it run. Also...that horn looks interesting...who makes it?
The horn is Rivco. I used their product on my Softail in the 2000's with no issue. It is a very loud horn.