Strobe... definitely. It's super disorienting for the person on the other end, you can clearly see what they're are doing, and having done my own tests on the other end, it actually hurts, even at 15 yards.
I've dealt with an unpleasant dog in Bali two months ago and with the solid light he did not like it but when I strobed him he could not face me anymore I use the Olight warrior M2R and I was very happy to have a powerful light with me when walking at night from the restaurant to my hotel cheers
@@jenseits1392 hey thanks for all the light suggestions, however I like my flighlight to be pockatable and easy to travel with, so there are just so few models that fit this criteria, I used to buy big flashlight but I would never bring them with me because of their size, so I stick with smaller ones now cheers
I think they're equal in terms of visually blinding an attacker but personally the strobe makes me feel very nauseus and the nausea alone would debilitate me.
It was more of a test if you could see all the steps and all movement clearer with or without the strobe. In the beginning he was saying that instructors say if you had strobe on you won't be able to see him move or draw his weapon and loose track of time. It wasn't to test effectiveness of the strobe light.
@@alev4287 he was trying to see if it made a difference in making him disoriented but of course it wouldn’t if his eyes are closed. This test is useless
I am going to use a strobe on my AR-15. I am a paramedic in a very rural area and there are a lot of sketchy places. I have seen a pitbull turn and run when hit in the eyes with a 1000 lumen strobe because of disorientation. Strobes can also cause an onset of seizures. Good if it's the bad guy, not so good if it's you.
By far one of the more comprehensive videos in terms of answering the questions about various scenarios. That said, my whole understanding of strobe vs. solid light advantage is that the strobe is more advantageous when the defender moves around and knows the layout in a dark environment. Example being if you know where your furniture is and keep moving while pointed at an offender/intruder that has a weapon drawn, the strobe could disorient them while you navigate around physical obstacles (aka furniture) whilst you (defender) know where to step and move around. I was also specifically thinking about a strobe function attachment to a pepper-ball pistol for non-lethal home defense to the point I could get close enough to take down a larger person with blunt force and subdue them...just a thought
Exactly this !! With Strobe your sight is also missing "frames" so you either have a very good knowledge of your surroundings or i would definitely go with solid so i can keep a clear and constant sight on what he's doing. (With the strobe you see him already half way with flashlight pulled while you can clearly see when he starts to pull with solid light)
The strobe is definitely disorienting from the attacker's POV, and a little from the defender POV. I think I prefer the the steady on as it's blinding to the attacker while the defender has the best possible non distracting veiw. Besides, if I was hit with a strobe I'd mess everyone up when I bust out the techno beatboxing and start dancing 🍄🍄🍄...
I know for a fact Strobe works. A bright light has its use for a type of concealment on the eyes of the person it's being pointed at. Strobe is for disorienting rather than blinding.
One test you didn't do is moving to one side with turbo and then with strobe. The reason I mention that is from others who experimented with this found that with strobe, the 'subject' seeing the light found it harder to detect side movement with strobe. So, if that is true, I'd rather use strobe since it is harder to detect my side movement. Also, modern lights also have a variable strobe, no rhythm. I would tend to think that makes it worse for the person looking at the light.
I think that the strobe on these tactical flashlights is too fast to be disorientating so a good solid blast is by far giving you the best advantage...
it seems the combination of bright light and dark darks make it even more disorienting, the quicker ones just look like a bright light that changes brightness
My wurkkos ts10 is set up with a pretty fast strobe interval thanks to the anduril ui, and I think that helps with my disorientation and time distortion I like to test strobe light by running from and towards what would be a self defense situation in hallways and outside, from what I experience it’s best for creating distance but for actually defending yourself a long turbo at medium to clore range with disable their focal point and give you the advantage. Great video btw
I have also tested the difference between constant and strobe and strobe is much harder to see through however any light you hold is a target for a firearm whether it is strobe or constant. Hold it out at arms length from your body to the side, if at all. Otherwise all your doing is giving a target. Hint: while your giving the bad guy a target make sure you have a weapon in our shooting hand, loaded and safety off.
Bro u and I think alike. This is literally my plan too if an attacker was coming at me. They coming straight for the LIGHT Period. Does not matter if strobe or constant on… they coming at us. So… like you said the light we using is secondary as a distraction and primary is the other hand. Right on brother and be safe out there
Problem with this test, it assumes you as the defender stay in one spot. When you actually do tests in your home attempting to defeat an intruder, I found it much more effective to blind the intruder with the strobe, then move locations and setup in a kill zone. As the attacker, it was easy to fire directly towards the light, but when I got blasted and the light went off, I was so disoriented for 10+ seconds. It was amazing the difference. Try real life scenarios in your home with nerf guns and flashlights. It is best kind of training I ever did. You create your kill zones in your home, look at their kill zones when you come to investigate. In my previous 2 story home, I found it best to sit and wait upstairs. The minute I would start down the stairs, I was entering their kill zone. You could hear where I was and blast through the walls and it would definitely do damage to whoever was on the stairs. Burst lighting to get your target, then lights out then shoot. This also helps you know where you can not shoot, because of collateral damage behind the target.
A great idea for a video! I have read some studies, about the testing of how a strobe mode affects our vision. Then, which was a couple of years ago now. We tested it here ourselves. You bring up a great point, about the strobe causing somewhat of a slow motion effect, and that definitely needs to be taken into account. Also of course, we need to take into account the situation, distance of a possible threat, and threat level. From the studies I've read, and the testing we've done here. I'd like to point another thing to look at. And that is the strobe rate. We can of course discuss a steady light, vs a strobe. Such as you've done here. That discussion needs to take place. But we then also need to discuss, whether we're trying to disorient the target, or keep an eye on his every move. I'd look at that decision like this. If for example, we thought it possible that the target may pull a weapon, and we had one on our person as well. I'd go for the steady light. Because if something should start to happen, we could do something about it. But, if we were worried that the target may pull a weapon, and we had none. Then we'd have to go for the strobe mode. while thinking about taking cover, right? But what I'd like to throw into the mix here, is the strobe rate. If we are behind the flashlight, and the target is looking into it. We are far less likely to be affected. Is what we've found is, that a slower strobe rate, gives the targets eyes more time to dilate again, after seeing the blast of light, and the constriction of the pupil. With another pulse coming at the target, into eyes that are in the process of dilating again, or never fully constricted in the first place. Causes more issues for the target. A steady light will of course cause constriction of the pupil, but then can be 'gotten used to' more by the target (squinted eyes, constricted pupils, low lumens, etc.) rather than a constant yo-yoing of the pupils. A shot of 2000 lumens (smooth reflector) into eyes, where the iris is more open, is very effective. Of course there is a sweet spot to be found here in the strobe rate, and we rarely see flashlight manufactures give us that rate in their spec sheet. A beacon mode, for example on a Manker MK35, can be very useful too! Given the target is at some distance, and the flashlight user is able to move between blinks.
Steve Kluver what awesome feedback! Thank you Steve! It sounds like you and your tests have gone into much greater detail then the simple test in this video! Thank you very much for sharing your results with us! Thank you for watching!
What a great informative comment. Steve, what did you determine is a good strobe rate range to be above??? my olight striker does 10hz at 1,000 lumens with 9,000 candela and when I test it on myself it feels very disorientating.
The initial blindness is what matters most and you look like both eyes are closed from start to finish so the test means nothing. It would be the effectiveness of the initial blinding at various distances that you should be testing. With both eyes closed there is no disorientation so you just keep aiming in the direction you're facing as to where if you got hit with the Intial blast of light for all you know your target stepped left or right a few steps. Great Idea for a video just not enough thought put into it.
I don't care what anyone says. Flashlights are absolutely the best self-defense tool in the world. They're a hundred percent legal to carry anywhere in the world, they can't permanently hurt or damage anyone (unless they have epilepsy or some other neurological disorder.) They bring attention to the situation by providing you with light, and temporarily blinding your assailant, they can be used as a blunt-force object at close range and can Perry certain types of weapons, most of them can fit right in your pocket or right on a holster on your belt, and they're not too pricey. Not to mention, they come in handy during the daytime to. How many of you have dropped your keys or phone in a dark area (like behind the couch or under the car seat) and thought, "oh my God I wish I had a flashlight with me right now!" I know I have!
In my way of thinking the steady beam of light is the most important because it provides the most consistent blinding while your other hand could easily be producing (from your pocket, waist or holster) your defense of choice without him being able to see that you were doing that. Then turn off the light and show him One... Last... Strobe... lights out.
Strobe is better for disorienting though. Sure a nice bright light will be hard on the eyes but a strobe is meant to disorient someone by disrupting the images going to the brain. My buddy recently did some guard training and someone had a military grade flashlight with a strobe function and he used it on my friend. He said it was like being stunned and would not want to do it again lol
If you yourself can handle the strobe, I feel it’d be more defensive than a solid, with a solid, you can slightly glance a different direction and still approach but the strobe is going to continue to make their eyes try to focus on the light.
Especially with fenixes patented alternating strobe pattern. But honestly a canted light away from center mass of the body is better because the attacker will walk right to the direction of the light. Lol So run em into a tree lol
Great, well thought out video. Was a cop for several years. I was never taught anything about how to correctly use a quality flashlight. Now I know, Thanks!
Interesting test.Keep on the good work! I'm the guy who left the original comment about the strobe not being necessarily the best option for self defense. From your test in that specific environment it doesn't seem like the strobe makes it more difficult to see movement compared to the solid light. Like you said it depends on the light too.I've seen lights with slower strobes that really makes things look like they are happening in slow motion.The Klarus has a really fast strobe compared to other lights I have used in the past. One question you didn't answer is if the strobe is really more disorientating than a solid light as you had your eyes closed. I believe the brightness is what blinds you, not the flickering of the light. I know that test what to see the difference for the person holding the light and not the victim though. Another thing you did the test outdoor.If you do the same thing in a small room especially with white walls you're more likely to suffer from the effects of the strobe as much as the bad guy. Also another reason I like the "outdoor mode" better than the so-called "tactical" one is that you get instant low mode as well. You're not always using your light to blind people, sometimes you just want to navigate without giving your position away and without using too much light.
JoeDurobot Hello Joe! It is good to hearing back from you! I apologize for having forgotten your account name in the video. If it wasn't for your comments we would have never thought of doing this video. Once again, you have brought up some very valid points. For me personally, the strobe felt a bit more "severe" with my eyes closed, but the test was so brief I am not entirely certain. Your mentioning the difference between being outdoors verses indoors is another solid point. We may have to address that in a future video. Also, I have been experimenting with both modes on my XT2CR since reading your original comment, and am currently also operating my personal light in outdoor mode. Thank you Joe!
strobe is harder on your eyes because in between the flashes of light, your eyes open their pupils again because its dark, they are then flashed with a bright light with open pupils, making it way more disorienting :)
JoeDurobot Hi. I’m new to flashlights and just purchased a couple of cheaper end tactical. What’s the proper way to use your flashlight for navigation and more stealth? Just keep it on the lowest beam?
To me, the question is which light would most disrupt the accuracy of the assailant’s aim, and ability to see other things around them. So maybe repeat the test with an airsoft pistol and see if one or both disrupt your aim, and if so whether one is more disruptive than the other.
I think your video camera has not done justice to the strobing effects of the light when shining on the attacker. When you point the strobe effects to the camera, the effect are much more pronounced. To see the true effects of the strobe, you camera should be set to high speed... above 60 frames per second. The Strobing effects on the attacker are much more dis-orientating than on the defender who is stationary. The defenders who feel dis-oriented should practice a couple of minutes a day moving around with the strobe light throughout their environment. The best tactic is to blind the attacker with solid bright light if he is stationary.... and when the attacker begins moving use the strobe. The strobing will disorientate even more. If you have to move use the normal bright light, blinding him.
I relise I'm late to this, but here goes my take on the pro strobe light feature on weapons mounted lights. On my ar9 carbine which happens to be my primary home defensive weapon. A good strobe light can and will blind and disorientate anyone or thing in front of it. It's similar to haveing a picture useing a camera in a darkened room with a flashbulb, and for a minute or two your only going to see bright flashes with every blink you take. And it's completely handicappes the individual who gets hit in the eyes with it. My streamlight HLX protac is putting out 1000 lumens and has 5000 candela and it's enough to temporarily blind and disorientate anyone. Especially anyone attemping to break into my resident at night. The tlr8 is a great handgun mounted light. The protac HLX is a great weapons light on my ar9 carbine and my ar15 carbine. So why don't I ude my handghns for a home break in. It's simply to use a weapon with a longer dute radius for more precise bullet placement for the most damage to incapacitate a armed individual and not cause or need to kill them. My main goal is to stop them from being able to harm me and cause any injuries. And for precise bullet placement a carbine offers more precision than any handgun. Or as someone once said, only a fool carries a handgun to a gunfight. True then and still true to this day.
I'm not a gun owner but in a defensive scenario I like to switch between solid turbo and turn off Hile keep moving, so the person's eye will take longer to re adapt to darkness
actual experience airsofting at night against both strobe and non strobe. it's very difficult to aim at a strobe vs steady. your eyes doesn't adjust to strobe but does to steady. i've shot out many steady weapons lights while i'm strobing them. i didn't get hit.
Always an on and off not strobe. 500 to 1200 lumens... quick on and off step off-line and on off again. If you are standing still to light up someone, there is obviously zero threat.
first, glad to see you were smart enough to close your eyes!!!! There is no point in damaging your sight to show what your video did! As someone who uses my flashlight daily for work and also consider it an important piece in my self defense arsenal. I personally want and use the strobe feature on any tactical light I carry. I believe there are times it is very effective and useful. I also have to have and use the moonlight feature on any tactical light I carry. in any situation it is good to have options because sometime I will need moonlight and other Turbo blinding brightness. I think the strobe has it purpose, but I wouldn't carry a tactical light that just had strobe, not would I carry a light tactical light that just had one setting.
Great idea but you should try to accomplish a task. Maybe get a trainer knife and try to see if you can get a strike in on him. And your eyes were mostly closed.
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There are two elements----1 blinding from brightness 2 disorienting ----get 1 with high only and get both with strobe I have used both in self defense scenarios and both worked----but now I carry a Powertac with direct to strobe flashlight as primary defensive tool---Klarus I tried but the gas pedal strobe button activates all the time in the pocket---not good
One of the issues of trying to film this as a comparison is the frame right of the camera vs the rate of the strobe. If you sink the two there would be no visible difference between the two.
I have a less expensive light with both full on and strobe modes I use during airsoft events. The strobe is definitely effective within 30 feet during the day. (The one I have I can adjust the focus of the beam which is kind of nice)
I don't carry a Strobe because of Potential Points of Failure. Not just in the circuit, it's one more thing for ME to be thinking about, instead of what's going on around me. I'd rather concentrate on who that is, what they're doing, whether they're becoming more of a threat, or less of a threat, than is now a good time to switch to Disco? Look, anybody who doesn't know this stuff doesn't need the distraction, either. That's why they're asking these questions, but to be perfectly honest, the Strobe setting doesn't give you anything that's going to make a difference. Don't worry about it, don't bring 1 more thing into that situation to worry about.
I use my Klarus XT11GT thusly: 1. to see what is there in the dark. 2. to let potential perpetrators loitering about know that I know they are there (low light - never hold it on them), and 3. for self defense. NOTE: in the dark my weak hand is on the light before I leave the building. If approached the light comes out, if attacked or threatened it comes on (strobe). I only need to blind the perpetrator for 1 second, because the moment I see the potential perpetrator(s) my dominant hand is on my gun (uncovered as I leave a building). Once I turn on the strobe the approach or attack must stop or I will draw and fire. Situation dictates action. - Of course, while 1 & 2 are proven, 3 is still (and hopefully will forever remain) theoretical.
Michael, your first option is the one I'm interested in. Prowlers. I don't want to hurt anyone but I do want to blind them... momentarily. I want them to be surprised and taken off guard. Then I'll let them know I'm calling the cops if they don't get off my property. These are not home invaders. These are idiots who think my yard is a through way. So do you think the XT11GT would be a good choice? Thank you :o)
I use 800 lumen light to create blind spot-s so they are moving their eyes around to clear vision,i now have time to make or close distance. 3d layer of escalation is warning to back away,2nd is blinding them to make time to back away or close on them
Getting the legit tac flashlight -a hundred bucks. Testing the effects of a strong flashlight on my ability to fight -few bucks to the temp. Let me keep my eyes shut all the time while at it -priceless!
Everyone's eyes are different. && for home defense either strobe or steady beam will probably disorient someone who is not expecting it. I do believe the strobe may slow down reaction time however a direct beam will give the intruder a direct target if he or she is shooting back. Yes inside a resident's might be different with white walls && loud noises . Please do more test. Anyone please give input or criticism
Great vid, my observation when you flashed the light at the camera is that the strobe bothered me more then the high beam. Just my observation also, I personally didn’t notice a lapse in time during strobe when you pulled your light. Anyway great vid, keep it up! Thanks
It does have the ability to do that but so does a flashlight that cant strobe i have a 400 lumen flashlight and have had to use it in the eyes of would be threats and they need to close there eyes from the sudden flash of light in there eyes and thats all i need to piss off or fight it gives me 2 or 3 seconds to think about what im gonna do strobe is great and all but its not necassary if your flashlight is bright enough
To be honest. Strobe in my opinion is better because your pupils dilate over and over again. Causing you to be disoriented. Enough time to get in a good striking blow with the tactical flashlight up close.
I am thinking along the lines of I am pulling a flashlight first to see who is approcahing me and gain better SA, when I usually pull my flashlight out I aim it to the ground to illuminate the area, If someone seems to be threatening, I would aim the beam directly to their face and pull my firearm. I feel a strobe would impact my sight picture with a flashlight. and the steady stream of light will still blind someone. Not going to stop them. but it will disorient them enough to to give you more time to get your front sight post on em.
I had no trouble seeing the draw or your walking in either mode. I did find the strobe more disorienting into the camera. I have flashlights with variable strobe frequencies and I'd think they would be more disorienting than a fixed rate strobe like this one you demonstrated. These lights are so bright that they can temporarily blind which allows you to step off line to possibly escape or to slip past the person and escape if they're close enough or to engage them while they're blinded if close enough.
In my own home, I could walk around blind, an intruder doesn't know the layout. The strobe is the way to go. Strobe the intruder, then off and move. Strobe again and take action.
Tests start at 3:10
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If only I had read this before the hour-long monologue...
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Here's an idea:
Get a foam bat and try to hit your friend while he tries to avoid and blind you, compare direct lighting with strobe.
Or an airsoft pistol.
@@Greeev Great idea
I did that with my friend and broke his jaw :(
@@ibeatanelderlywomantodeath8295 pardon?
@@TradBarbie I hit him a little to hard
To be honest the strobe makes me want to run away aswell
Lol!! Right!
It does stress me out.
I like the irregular strobe mode in the dark on acid. My friends didn't at all.
Strobe... definitely. It's super disorienting for the person on the other end, you can clearly see what they're are doing, and having done my own tests on the other end, it actually hurts, even at 15 yards.
I agree. Strobe all the way
Works great in vehicles
@@scottashe984 huh??
Whats the best strobe light to get ?
@@Marko-bh3pl Anything with 1200lm and up. Preferably with an IPX-5 WR.
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Nigga act like he can’t do dis inside da crib
I've dealt with an unpleasant dog in Bali two months ago and with the solid light he did not like it but when I strobed him he could not face me anymore I use the Olight warrior M2R and I was very happy to have a powerful light with me when walking at night from the restaurant to my hotel
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I guess my fenix tk22 v.2 would work just as well. But I have a very nice 5000 mAh battery
Wow great story to always carry a tactical flashlight. It is non-lethal and effective in more situations.
@@yoshyusmc oh yea I was really happy to carry that flashlight
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@@jenseits1392 hey thanks for all the light suggestions, however I like my flighlight to be pockatable and easy to travel with, so there are just so few models that fit this criteria, I used to buy big flashlight but I would never bring them with me because of their size, so I stick with smaller ones now
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I personally think the strobe is more distracting, than the full on mode, so now i know what to use if i am attacked!! :D , Levi
MrKeys57 strobe them like crazy Levi!!!
I think they're equal in terms of visually blinding an attacker but personally the strobe makes me feel very nauseus and the nausea alone would debilitate me.
Your eyes are closed
Brian Downey Yeah that was totally Defeated the purpose of the video
It was more of a test if you could see all the steps and all movement clearer with or without the strobe. In the beginning he was saying that instructors say if you had strobe on you won't be able to see him move or draw his weapon and loose track of time. It wasn't to test effectiveness of the strobe light.
maybe you should do this test and keep your eyes open
try do do the test with your eyes open, not his fault you complained
@@alev4287 he was trying to see if it made a difference in making him disoriented but of course it wouldn’t if his eyes are closed. This test is useless
I am going to use a strobe on my AR-15. I am a paramedic in a very rural area and there are a lot of sketchy places. I have seen a pitbull turn and run when hit in the eyes with a 1000 lumen strobe because of disorientation. Strobes can also cause an onset of seizures. Good if it's the bad guy, not so good if it's you.
good to know strobes will freak out dogs (only in defensive situation, animal lover here).
@Hagen Meyer Some of the places around here are both.
By far one of the more comprehensive videos in terms of answering the questions about various scenarios. That said, my whole understanding of strobe vs. solid light advantage is that the strobe is more advantageous when the defender moves around and knows the layout in a dark environment. Example being if you know where your furniture is and keep moving while pointed at an offender/intruder that has a weapon drawn, the strobe could disorient them while you navigate around physical obstacles (aka furniture) whilst you (defender) know where to step and move around. I was also specifically thinking about a strobe function attachment to a pepper-ball pistol for non-lethal home defense to the point I could get close enough to take down a larger person with blunt force and subdue them...just a thought
Exactly this !! With Strobe your sight is also missing "frames" so you either have a very good knowledge of your surroundings or i would definitely go with solid so i can keep a clear and constant sight on what he's doing. (With the strobe you see him already half way with flashlight pulled while you can clearly see when he starts to pull with solid light)
The strobe is definitely disorienting from the attacker's POV, and a little from the defender POV. I think I prefer the the steady on as it's blinding to the attacker while the defender has the best possible non distracting veiw. Besides, if I was hit with a strobe I'd mess everyone up when I bust out the techno beatboxing and start dancing 🍄🍄🍄...
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I know for a fact Strobe works. A bright light has its use for a type of concealment on the eyes of the person it's being pointed at. Strobe is for disorienting rather than blinding.
Well hopefully my attacker comes at me with his eyes closed like u. Shit I won't even need a light!
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One test you didn't do is moving to one side with turbo and then with strobe. The reason I mention that is from others who experimented with this found that with strobe, the 'subject' seeing the light found it harder to detect side movement with strobe. So, if that is true, I'd rather use strobe since it is harder to detect my side movement. Also, modern lights also have a variable strobe, no rhythm. I would tend to think that makes it worse for the person looking at the light.
I would use strobe outside but regular light inside my house as i would want a clear light on the soon to be victim. Regular light will blind him too.
I think that the strobe on these tactical flashlights is too fast to be disorientating so a good solid blast is by far giving you the best advantage...
carl blyth you and I share a similar opinion on this matter. Thank you for watching!!!
I've found that a 20ms refresh rate is way better than the lower ones, and will totally disorient myself when testing
it seems the combination of bright light and dark darks make it even more disorienting, the quicker ones just look like a bright light that changes brightness
Its only to fast for the camera.
First try a strobe on your own eyes an then you'll tell me if you change your mind about it 😜😉
I thought the strobe was a little more disorienting myself.
To the bad guy or the guy with the light?
@@frankeast947 The bad guy
My wurkkos ts10 is set up with a pretty fast strobe interval thanks to the anduril ui, and I think that helps with my disorientation and time distortion I like to test strobe light by running from and towards what would be a self defense situation in hallways and outside, from what I experience it’s best for creating distance but for actually defending yourself a long turbo at medium to clore range with disable their focal point and give you the advantage. Great video btw
I have also tested the difference between constant and strobe and strobe is much harder to see through however any light you hold is a target for a firearm whether it is strobe or constant. Hold it out at arms length from your body to the side, if at all. Otherwise all your doing is giving a target. Hint: while your giving the bad guy a target make sure you have a weapon in our shooting hand, loaded and safety off.
Bro u and I think alike. This is literally my plan too if an attacker was coming at me. They coming straight for the LIGHT Period. Does not matter if strobe or constant on… they coming at us. So… like you said the light we using is secondary as a distraction and primary is the other hand. Right on brother and be safe out there
Problem with this test, it assumes you as the defender stay in one spot. When you actually do tests in your home attempting to defeat an intruder, I found it much more effective to blind the intruder with the strobe, then move locations and setup in a kill zone. As the attacker, it was easy to fire directly towards the light, but when I got blasted and the light went off, I was so disoriented for 10+ seconds. It was amazing the difference. Try real life scenarios in your home with nerf guns and flashlights. It is best kind of training I ever did. You create your kill zones in your home, look at their kill zones when you come to investigate. In my previous 2 story home, I found it best to sit and wait upstairs. The minute I would start down the stairs, I was entering their kill zone. You could hear where I was and blast through the walls and it would definitely do damage to whoever was on the stairs. Burst lighting to get your target, then lights out then shoot. This also helps you know where you can not shoot, because of collateral damage behind the target.
A great idea for a video!
I have read some studies, about the testing of how a strobe mode affects our vision. Then, which was a couple of years ago now. We tested it here ourselves.
You bring up a great point, about the strobe causing somewhat of a slow motion effect, and that definitely needs to be taken into account. Also of course, we need to take into account the situation, distance of a possible threat, and threat level.
From the studies I've read, and the testing we've done here. I'd like to point another thing to look at. And that is the strobe rate. We can of course discuss a steady light, vs a strobe. Such as you've done here. That discussion needs to take place. But we then also need to discuss, whether we're trying to disorient the target, or keep an eye on his every move.
I'd look at that decision like this. If for example, we thought it possible that the target may pull a weapon, and we had one on our person as well. I'd go for the steady light. Because if something should start to happen, we could do something about it. But, if we were worried that the target may pull a weapon, and we had none. Then we'd have to go for the strobe mode. while thinking about taking cover, right?
But what I'd like to throw into the mix here, is the strobe rate. If we are behind the flashlight, and the target is looking into it. We are far less likely to be affected. Is what we've found is, that a slower strobe rate, gives the targets eyes more time to dilate again, after seeing the blast of light, and the constriction of the pupil. With another pulse coming at the target, into eyes that are in the process of dilating again, or never fully constricted in the first place. Causes more issues for the target. A steady light will of course cause constriction of the pupil, but then can be 'gotten used to' more by the target (squinted eyes, constricted pupils, low lumens, etc.) rather than a constant yo-yoing of the pupils.
A shot of 2000 lumens (smooth reflector) into eyes, where the iris is more open, is very effective. Of course there is a sweet spot to be found here in the strobe rate, and we rarely see flashlight manufactures give us that rate in their spec sheet. A beacon mode, for example on a Manker MK35, can be very useful too! Given the target is at some distance, and the flashlight user is able to move between blinks.
Steve Kluver what awesome feedback! Thank you Steve! It sounds like you and your tests have gone into much greater detail then the simple test in this video! Thank you very much for sharing your results with us! Thank you for watching!
What a great informative comment. Steve, what did you determine is a good strobe rate range to be above??? my olight striker does 10hz at 1,000 lumens with 9,000 candela and when I test it on myself it feels very disorientating.
The initial blindness is what matters most and you look like both eyes are closed from start to finish so the test means nothing. It would be the effectiveness of the initial blinding at various distances that you should be testing. With both eyes closed there is no disorientation so you just keep aiming in the direction you're facing as to where if you got hit with the Intial blast of light for all you know your target stepped left or right a few steps. Great Idea for a video just not enough thought put into it.
I don't care what anyone says. Flashlights are absolutely the best self-defense tool in the world. They're a hundred percent legal to carry anywhere in the world, they can't permanently hurt or damage anyone (unless they have epilepsy or some other neurological disorder.) They bring attention to the situation by providing you with light, and temporarily blinding your assailant, they can be used as a blunt-force object at close range and can Perry certain types of weapons, most of them can fit right in your pocket or right on a holster on your belt, and they're not too pricey. Not to mention, they come in handy during the daytime to. How many of you have dropped your keys or phone in a dark area (like behind the couch or under the car seat) and thought, "oh my God I wish I had a flashlight with me right now!" I know I have!
Just remember, someone hopped up on meth or adrenaline will look at your flashlight and say, "that's cute".
In my way of thinking the steady beam of light is the most important because it provides the most consistent blinding while your other hand could easily be producing (from your pocket, waist or holster) your defense of choice without him being able to see that you were doing that. Then turn off the light and show him One... Last... Strobe... lights out.
Strobe is better for disorienting though. Sure a nice bright light will be hard on the eyes but a strobe is meant to disorient someone by disrupting the images going to the brain.
My buddy recently did some guard training and someone had a military grade flashlight with a strobe function and he used it on my friend. He said it was like being stunned and would not want to do it again lol
Strobe, from what I was instructed, removes the aggressors peripheral vision.
If you yourself can handle the strobe, I feel it’d be more defensive than a solid, with a solid, you can slightly glance a different direction and still approach but the strobe is going to continue to make their eyes try to focus on the light.
Especially with fenixes patented alternating strobe pattern.
But honestly a canted light away from center mass of the body is better because the attacker will walk right to the direction of the light. Lol
So run em into a tree lol
Great, well thought out video. Was a cop for several years. I was never taught anything about how to correctly use a quality flashlight. Now I know, Thanks!
Interesting test.Keep on the good work!
I'm the guy who left the original comment about the strobe not being necessarily the best option for self defense.
From your test in that specific environment it doesn't seem like the strobe makes it more difficult to see movement compared to the solid light.
Like you said it depends on the light too.I've seen lights with slower strobes that really makes things look like they are happening in slow motion.The Klarus has a really fast strobe compared to other lights I have used in the past.
One question you didn't answer is if the strobe is really more disorientating than a solid light as you had your eyes closed.
I believe the brightness is what blinds you, not the flickering of the light.
I know that test what to see the difference for the person holding the light and not the victim though.
Another thing you did the test outdoor.If you do the same thing in a small room especially with white walls you're more likely to suffer from the effects of the strobe as much as the bad guy.
Also another reason I like the "outdoor mode" better than the so-called "tactical" one is that you get instant low mode as well.
You're not always using your light to blind people, sometimes you just want to navigate without giving your position away and without using too much light.
JoeDurobot Hello Joe! It is good to hearing back from you! I apologize for having forgotten your account name in the video. If it wasn't for your comments we would have never thought of doing this video. Once again, you have brought up some very valid points. For me personally, the strobe felt a bit more "severe" with my eyes closed, but the test was so brief I am not entirely certain. Your mentioning the difference between being outdoors verses indoors is another solid point. We may have to address that in a future video. Also, I have been experimenting with both modes on my XT2CR since reading your original comment, and am currently also operating my personal light in outdoor mode. Thank you Joe!
strobe is harder on your eyes because in between the flashes of light, your eyes open their pupils again because its dark, they are then flashed with a bright light with open pupils, making it way more disorienting :)
JoeDurobot Hi. I’m new to flashlights and just purchased a couple of cheaper end tactical. What’s the proper way to use your flashlight for navigation and more stealth? Just keep it on the lowest beam?
To me, the question is which light would most disrupt the accuracy of the assailant’s aim, and ability to see other things around them. So maybe repeat the test with an airsoft pistol and see if one or both disrupt your aim, and if so whether one is more disruptive than the other.
How about a light with the narrow beam ??? And no flood light like a "L.E.P"
I think your video camera has not done justice to the strobing effects of the light when shining on the attacker. When you point the strobe effects to the camera, the effect are much more pronounced. To see the true effects of the strobe, you camera should be set to high speed... above 60 frames per second. The Strobing effects on the attacker are much more dis-orientating than on the defender who is stationary. The defenders who feel dis-oriented should practice a couple of minutes a day moving around with the strobe light throughout their environment. The best tactic is to blind the attacker with solid bright light if he is stationary.... and when the attacker begins moving use the strobe. The strobing will disorientate even more. If you have to move use the normal bright light, blinding him.
AbsarokaMedia that is awesome advice my friend! Thank you ao much for taking the time to explain that too us!!! We greatly appreciate it!!!!
Someone tries to jump me they're getting a straight 2800 lumens from my FW3A!!
I just got mine and I LOVE LOVE IT !@#
@@Stickboy618 Yeah bro, you picked a good one. Not a lot of better flashlights out there for the price IMO.
How about keeping your eyes open?
Patrick Ames your a tougher man than me Patrick!!!!!!
We would a prep he just going to fire where to lights coming from. So move to the right and start angling.
I relise I'm late to this, but here goes my take on the pro strobe light feature on weapons mounted lights. On my ar9 carbine which happens to be my primary home defensive weapon. A good strobe light can and will blind and disorientate anyone or thing in front of it. It's similar to haveing a picture useing a camera in a darkened room with a flashbulb, and for a minute or two your only going to see bright flashes with every blink you take. And it's completely handicappes the individual who gets hit in the eyes with it. My streamlight HLX protac is putting out 1000 lumens and has 5000 candela and it's enough to temporarily blind and disorientate anyone. Especially anyone attemping to break into my resident at night. The tlr8 is a great handgun mounted light. The protac HLX is a great weapons light on my ar9 carbine and my ar15 carbine. So why don't I ude my handghns for a home break in. It's simply to use a weapon with a longer dute radius for more precise bullet placement for the most damage to incapacitate a armed individual and not cause or need to kill them. My main goal is to stop them from being able to harm me and cause any injuries. And for precise bullet placement a carbine offers more precision than any handgun. Or as someone once said, only a fool carries a handgun to a gunfight. True then and still true to this day.
I'm not a gun owner but in a defensive scenario I like to switch between solid turbo and turn off Hile keep moving, so the person's eye will take longer to re adapt to darkness
that was a pretty instructive video, very well thought out , I think is better with the permanent lighting .
I’m getting a strobe
Very informative video. Thanks.
HunterKiller Thank you for watching!
Thank you for this test!
actual experience airsofting at night against both strobe and non strobe. it's very difficult to aim at a strobe vs steady. your eyes doesn't adjust to strobe but does to steady. i've shot out many steady weapons lights while i'm strobing them. i didn't get hit.
can you make comparison between 360X1 klarus and olight m2r warrior
Always an on and off not strobe. 500 to 1200 lumens... quick on and off step off-line and on off again. If you are standing still to light up someone, there is obviously zero threat.
Sgt. Smith 32.000 ok?
I mean lumens
first, glad to see you were smart enough to close your eyes!!!! There is no point in damaging your sight to show what your video did! As someone who uses my flashlight daily for work and also consider it an important piece in my self defense arsenal.
I personally want and use the strobe feature on any tactical light I carry. I believe there are times it is very effective and useful. I also have to have and use the moonlight feature on any tactical light I carry. in any situation it is good to have options because sometime I will need moonlight and other Turbo blinding brightness. I think the strobe has it purpose, but I wouldn't carry a tactical light that just had strobe, not would I carry a light tactical light that just had one setting.
which is best for defence, flood light or beam spot?
i feel like the particular flashlight used is pretty similar either way, but a slower flashing light may produce a stronger slow motion effect.
Can you program when you want to use the strode and constant light modes.
yes im gonna close my eyes when not trying to die amd shoot back LMAOOO
What flashlight is it?
What flashlight your using ?
Do you shoot with your eyes shut?
Very Instructed video. Thank you.
Does anyone know the light being shown in the video , there no link to buy.
Very good!! Just what I was wondering.
Great idea but you should try to accomplish a task. Maybe get a trainer knife and try to see if you can get a strike in on him. And your eyes were mostly closed.
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There are two elements----1 blinding from brightness 2 disorienting ----get 1 with high only and get both with strobe
I have used both in self defense scenarios and both worked----but now I carry a Powertac with direct to strobe flashlight as primary defensive tool---Klarus I tried but the gas pedal strobe button activates all the time in the pocket---not good
Mateeeee seriously? Lmao someone ain’t gonna attack you or pick a fight with their eyes shut lol
One of the issues of trying to film this as a comparison is the frame right of the camera vs the rate of the strobe. If you sink the two there would be no visible difference between the two.
Fantastic video. Great info.
what torch did you use for this? im having trouble trying to find a handheld strobe flashlight
They sell them in lots of stores try a double or triple click to see if it strobes.
They are both blinding to the eye but the strobe can make some people feel sick and really disintoriate someone
Definitely have (and use) a lanyard on your tactical flashlight, because, up close, the attacker will try and knock it out of your hand
do these lights have an effect during the day?
I have a less expensive light with both full on and strobe modes I use during airsoft events. The strobe is definitely effective within 30 feet during the day. (The one I have I can adjust the focus of the beam which is kind of nice)
The strobe is def more disorienting
I don't carry a Strobe because of Potential Points of Failure. Not just in the circuit, it's one more thing for ME to be thinking about, instead of what's going on around me. I'd rather concentrate on who that is, what they're doing, whether they're becoming more of a threat, or less of a threat, than is now a good time to switch to Disco? Look, anybody who doesn't know this stuff doesn't need the distraction, either. That's why they're asking these questions, but to be perfectly honest, the Strobe setting doesn't give you anything that's going to make a difference. Don't worry about it, don't bring 1 more thing into that situation to worry about.
This is a very thorough demonstration. Thanks for thinking it through that well.
I use my Klarus XT11GT thusly: 1. to see what is there in the dark. 2. to let potential perpetrators loitering about know that I know they are there (low light - never hold it on them), and 3. for self defense. NOTE: in the dark my weak hand is on the light before I leave the building. If approached the light comes out, if attacked or threatened it comes on (strobe). I only need to blind the perpetrator for 1 second, because the moment I see the potential perpetrator(s) my dominant hand is on my gun (uncovered as I leave a building). Once I turn on the strobe the approach or attack must stop or I will draw and fire. Situation dictates action. - Of course, while 1 & 2 are proven, 3 is still (and hopefully will forever remain) theoretical.
Michael, your first option is the one I'm interested in. Prowlers. I don't want to hurt anyone but I do want to blind them... momentarily. I want them to be surprised and taken off guard. Then I'll let them know I'm calling the cops if they don't get off my property. These are not home invaders. These are idiots who think my yard is a through way. So do you think the XT11GT would be a good choice? Thank you :o)
Which strobe light is this? I'm looking to get one that's powerful and has range like this.
I use 800 lumen light to create blind spot-s so they are moving their eyes around to clear vision,i now have time to make or close distance. 3d layer of escalation is warning to back away,2nd is blinding them to make time to back away or close on them
how much lumens is that ?
You didn’t say which light was more blinding/disorienting??
That strobe effect is just like laser dazzler.
Getting the legit tac flashlight -a hundred bucks.
Testing the effects of a strong flashlight on my ability to fight -few bucks to the temp.
Let me keep my eyes shut all the time while at it -priceless!
Yeah, great video ! Interesting !
is that a strobe app on a phone?
How many lumens is the light
Everyone's eyes are different. && for home defense either strobe or steady beam will probably disorient someone who is not expecting it. I do believe the strobe may slow down reaction time however a direct beam will give the intruder a direct target if he or she is shooting back. Yes inside a resident's might be different with white walls && loud noises . Please do more test. Anyone please give input or criticism
Great vid, my observation when you flashed the light at the camera is that the strobe bothered me more then the high beam. Just my observation also, I personally didn’t notice a lapse in time during strobe when you pulled your light. Anyway great vid, keep it up! Thanks
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I feel the strobe is much more obnoxious and has the ability to disorientate a would be attacker. I'm keeping it on strobe.
It does have the ability to do that but so does a flashlight that cant strobe i have a 400 lumen flashlight and have had to use it in the eyes of would be threats and they need to close there eyes from the sudden flash of light in there eyes and thats all i need to piss off or fight it gives me 2 or 3 seconds to think about what im gonna do strobe is great and all but its not necassary if your flashlight is bright enough
What is the name of strobe light?
Strobe without a doubt is best for tactical situations, disorientate someone real quick
Strobe is much better, especially catching villains off guard
Tactical light carry in front left pocket and knife in right front pocket of short jackett
How u carry !!!
Where can yoy get one
You've got that cholo walk 4:37
Ya the strobe won't let them see ME drawing the weapon...i won't wait.
Pepper foam or gel works too.
i bought 960 lm and flashed it in my eyes. while flashing its defense second it stopped i was ready to go. peper is defense tool i recommend
Pepper spray / foam isn't legal everywhere, though.
To be honest. Strobe in my opinion is better because your pupils dilate over and over again. Causing you to be disoriented. Enough time to get in a good striking blow with the tactical flashlight up close.
what king of strobe light is this ?
And tactical light must have sharp edges so u can break and slash his forehead if he blocks
I am thinking along the lines of I am pulling a flashlight first to see who is approcahing me and gain better SA, when I usually pull my flashlight out I aim it to the ground to illuminate the area, If someone seems to be threatening, I would aim the beam directly to their face and pull my firearm. I feel a strobe would impact my sight picture with a flashlight. and the steady stream of light will still blind someone. Not going to stop them. but it will disorient them enough to to give you more time to get your front sight post on em.
Imagine seeing your neighbor be recorded with someone holding them at gunpoint just to test a flashlight
If feel a strobe is better for a defender on the move.. I feel it would hide your movement within the breaks of light..
I had no trouble seeing the draw or your walking in either mode. I did find the strobe more disorienting into the camera. I have flashlights with variable strobe frequencies and I'd think they would be more disorienting than a fixed rate strobe like this one you demonstrated. These lights are so bright that they can temporarily blind which allows you to step off line to possibly escape or to slip past the person and escape if they're close enough or to engage them while they're blinded if close enough.
What strobes have variable frequencies?
@@The_Ballo All of the Fenix flashlights that I have and a Klarus XT11X.
Wow that cool.I have a dune buggy I would like a light one light in the front back and both sides in case I find my self surrounded by rioters
I think when it is flashing very fast it's like shaking
Shaking your brains 😂
Great video.
I like having options. If i wanna blast you with 1200 lumens cool. If i wanna blast an intruder with Strobe i can as well
In my own home, I could walk around blind, an intruder doesn't know the layout. The strobe is the way to go. Strobe the intruder, then off and move. Strobe again and take action.