JOHN BONHAM STYLE RIGHT FOOT DOUBLES / MY TECHNIQUE
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2020
- This video is about my right foot!
I have had a lot of requests to demonstrate how I play quick doubles...i.e. the Bonham style triplets. I guess a picture, or moving picture is worth a thousand words in this case, so this is really just a close -up demo of my right foot at work. Hope it helpful.
PS. Terry Keating ( Bonzoleum ) just did an excellent video on the subject of Bonzo's bass drum doubles as well, specifically how he used them in drum beats and the Bonham Engine...he calls it the Gallop! Check it out here.... • The John Bonham Drum E...
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What I find most impressive is the consistency and accuracy at which you do that.
Thanks, Alan. Always room for improvement.
This was very helpful today, I stuck a mirror down by my floor Tom so I could see what was going on, I was doing a lot of the work with my toes which probably made my foot tense up and made it sound awful 😞 I’m getting somewhere now thanks George
yes it's a little different explaining it vs simply playing it. Excellent job with both.
That style is what i have always used, but as you know, so many profess the slide technique. nice job.
Great Odin's Beard! This is awesome! Wanted so long to get that camera shot when you're killin those triplets. Thanks!
Haha , thanks my man!
Thats pretty badass! At a certain tempo I transition to a slide, but I think the way you do it is more even and controlled...thank you-
If you have a long enough footboard you can use your heel to strike and create a sort of heel toe loop. Kind of hard to do but it’s essentially the same action of the foot just positioned more entirely on the footboard.
Thanks George! It never gets old. Oh, Ludwig is reproducing the Speed King with a beefed up beeter linkage and squeak proof bushings on the pedal hinge.
Source?!?
@@liz4rdg3ck0 2020 winter NAMM Ludwig videos.
Yes, I saw that recently and I'm curious to play one and see if it's truly an improvement on the old design. I understand from a friend at Ludwig that it is. Thanks Bob.
What pedal is being used in video?
The tight bass drum head helps !!
looks like classic heel toe technique to me.. hard to do on a short board pedal. you rock brother
Thanks, Bob!
Man oh Man Bro. If I didn't know any better and was out in the crowd I'd swear you had a double beater going on!!! You are fasssttt and accurate!!! Thanks for the lesson!!!
Fantastic footwork, so consistent. The paradiddles on top with the double kick looks deceptively simple.
5:18 These flourishes Im calling the Bonham Thunder Clap...This is one of the coolest parts of the Moby Dick solo. Like to see it slowed and any variations. Much appreciated.
Thanks, I'll try to do more soon!
Yes! Very Helpful! Thank You for breaking this down.
It is-excuse me-FREAKING crazy how much you sound like Bonham when you play!!! Can’t get enough.
thanks!
Another useful lesson George! Gives me something to work on today! I been getting closer & closer to those quick doubles just not consistent & controlled enough! Your technique & sound are awesome!
Thanks Richard!
Boughr jjojo meyer petal really help with that technique
Yeah I have about 6 old Ludwig speedings all refurbished but have been using the dw 5000 turbo when researching the new speedings
I found a video of a guy that had an old speeding and the reissue that was made in China he just bought the new speeding and found that
It’s made in Twain he weighed all the pedals and found the new one was lighter weight than the others that’s the front part where the beater
Is attached,then I found out he swapped it for the speed flyer and was more happier with it,I then researched to see what I could find out about them and found Carter McLean reviewing the new speeding and the speed flyer,in the end I bought a speed flyer as I was curious I must say it’s pretty good the feel is inbetween a dw 5000 turbo and accelerator but lighter feel then the dw 5000 ,the only thing disappointing is where it tightens onto the bass drum it has 2 rubber bits that the bass drum rests on when u tighten it this was the cheap bit and I prefer the dw swivel round bits as their more sturdy the rubber on the speed flyer is not secure I’ll have to get it stuck down again to the metal or find an alternative as if I just don’t have it it will mark the underneath of my bass drum hoop,other than that it’s a smooth pedal,it’s not over engineered like the 9000 which I found too smooth Carter mentions that in he’s review as well
You and Terry are just the BEST!! Love you Guys!!
Flawless, that's so great George. Maybe you can expand by doing a Bonham Licks series seeing the hands and the feet together A/B split cams.
Thanks John, I'll try to do more vids like that.
very interesting...............so good too. Great video George!!
Excellent as always George , by 'eck you make that look easy !
Hi, I came across your and Terry's site about a week ago. Just love your expertese and enthusiasm for Bonzo. Just wanted to thank you for both for these videos on technique and relating to Led Zep. I was 20 in 1975 so grew up in their heyday, so John Bonham, Ian Paice and Simon Kirke were my hero's , and I played then in a band around the clubs of Liverpool UK.
I was never able to see John Bonham play, but have been very lucky to meet Ian Paice, a gentleman, and another great drummer.
I live about an hour from Liverpool (in Wales UK), and still play in my daughter's band. Please keep up these video's, they are so brilliant - thank you.Your technique and fluency is just amazing.
(will snd this also to Bonzoleum)
Keep on rockin ! . . . Iori Jones
nb my wife has just sent me this link that she saw on FB - don't know if you are aware ! -
www.drumone.co.uk/shop/promuco-john-bonham-signature-drumsticks/
(This is Nicko McBrain's shop near Manchester (UK)).
Hi Lori, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I am aware of the Promuco stick. Its too bad they didn't actually replicate his stick, its clearly a different style. Seems a wasted opportunity.
@@BONHAMOLOGY Thanks for getting back. Been watching some of your video's today. I didn't know anything about these sticks, my wife spotted them.
In the 70's I just stuck with 5A 5B. The only sig sticks I have tried are the Promark Ian Paice but they are a bit heavy for me these days, and the Vic Firth Steve Gadd, which are about right..Love all your video's, from the covers through to the tuning and techniques.
I still play in my daughter's band (Classic rock & blues) , using a Ludwig classic maple, and black beauty snare, mostly around North Wales & Chester.There's a lack of venues over here which is a shame. From one of your video's I have bought the Q2N camera, wondering what video editing software you use.
Thank you again . Love the big band jazz too !!
Keep on rockin . . . . Iori
This is amazing control and technique. Blown away.
I got this because of you. Thank you so very much.
Thank you! 👊🏼👍🏼
Buddy rich said, "You don't need two bass drums if you play like a bitch with one". A reference to Louie. It helped that he was a tap dancer too! Play with beater length and spring tension until you find the sweet spot for the beater you are using. Beautiful drums!
Yessir
Looks like a Camco!
Thanks for the demonstration George,going to be trying that technique out. I recently ordered a new reissue Speed King hope it's as smooth as the older one's. I bought an older Speed King about 6 months ago took it apart and cleaned it and that thing is fantastic.
Thanks ! Yeah, I have a rebuilt one but I am really looking forward to trying the reissue.
Great video George thank you. could I just ask, is your foot at an angle to the pedal board? It seems as though your heel is on the ground not touching the heel plate? Thanks again for the great videos 👍
Another great video! What pedal are you using here? Looks vintage but chain driven. I would love to see how far back your beater is at rest (with your foot off the board) and how tight are your springs? I find my pedals have to be pretty tight but its a balance of finding that sweet spot with the beater in order to pull off these Bonham triplets on the bass pedal. I can't easily do the triplets on a speed king, but with my Speed Flyer they are way easier.
is that mini cowbell hooked up to your ride cymbal?
One of the best right foots I’ve seen in a long time man! I love it! I think you’re basically doing heel-toe technique but you have your own twist on it. It’s pretty awesome, I do something similar to you when I’m doing doubles on the bass drum myself. Incredible drumming as usual! 🥁
thanks, my man. i see you on instagram!
BONHAMOLOGY Not a problem my man haha! Ah ha! You noticed it was me, that’s awesome!
@@steverizundrums 👊🏼👍🏼😄 Thanks for following PfoZ too. We have some good stuff coming soon.
BONHAMOLOGY Not a problem, love it! I’m looking forward to it! 🥁
Awsome..its a good technique,i had to learn it after Georges first foot technique video, its basically how George presents it, a rocking motion catching the rebound of the first stroke, you can go all day, very similar to earl palmers technique he just uses his ball and toes in very fast rocking motion, i finally got myself another camco pedal, a new pad and sticks. So i will have heaps of time to practice, will do for a while until i can purchase another kit Bloody fires😠..now its flooding in au, all good,bring it!
Damn, it's been a rough time for you .... wish you the best man. Thanks for the kind words!
@@BONHAMOLOGY thanks buddy yeh its been rough for alot of Australians, but we're resilient, its all the little things that
Matters... THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE BONHAM COMMUNITY ON YOUR VIDEOS. Helps alot much appreciated. Come on people hit that like button if you agree😉.
How long it take to get that down decent i can get it some time no control yet
I have a camco like in this video. There is a knurled knob for the spring tension. How many threads are sticking out the bottom of it. Also, I asked you what threads were on the bottom of the speed king you said 4 or 5. But I'll thing that was the old pedal not the one Terry gave you. What's the new one? I like your technique as it is really efficient. I figure if I can cop your spring tension I'm half way there.
George, have you looked at the new "Swivomatic" pedal. It's now called the Dynomatic and has a chain instead of the leather strap. I bet the chain can get you into Bonhamville.
No , I haven't . I do use a chain drive Camco, most often. I want to check out the new Speed Flyer that Ludwig released this year.
Where can I get shoes like yours? :)
Ha! I bought them in London , in 2004 I think. They're pretty old and worn now. They're almost like Karate trainers. I really like them for playing.
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge! Do you ever practice this technique to a click? If so, what tempos do you practice to, and have you ever tested your speed (bpms)?
No, I never practice this to a click but that would be good. I have been doing this for over 30 years, so I just sit down and play it from time to time, but I do need to practice it more! I never tested my speed either. Thanks!
Beautiful )
P.s. What felt strip is that ? Branded or just from fabric store ? I’m asking ‘Coz in country I am now is a “big felt problem” but I want it thick and white )
ThanxXx
I honestly dont recall. It's kind of on the medium side of thickness. I think it might be Gibraltar
Thanks for the lesson! Can you say how tight you have the tension on the pedal?
It's pretty much medium tight , maybe a bit more so.
Was wondering, can this only be achieved on Speed King pedals? I've tried different ones and it is nearly impossible to do the doubles and triplets.(even doing adjustments to the pedals) Idk maybe it's just me lol. Great vid George was hoping you would show your technique. You rock!
Thanks. Absolutely not...I think your can do these on any decent pedal. I'm not using a Speed King here, that's a Camco chain drive.
Hi...What pedal are you using on this Video? Thanks for inspiring...Gilbert Nogales from Singapore
It's a Camco chain drive.
Bloody amazing George! I could never master heel toe or your method, etc. and resorted to using heel slightly up, sliding the foot against footboard method. Was wondering if your technique remains the same [pun intended] or not using different bass drum pedals like a classic Ludwig Speed King?
Thanks! Yes, although I find I don't have the comfort and control I used to have as a young man with the Speed King now. 😒 I'm looking forward to getting a new reissue to see if it's an improvement.
@@BONHAMOLOGY What about getting one of the upgraded old speed kings, there used to be a guy on ebay that would put bushings in the hinge and the link also I think and he'd clean all the old grease out and you end up with no squeak and a much better feel, I think this might be the one to check out
.polyphonicdrums.com/products/service
@@BONHAMOLOGY Thank you! Yes the footboard apex angle of my Speed King is much steeper around 35 - 40+ deg. at the top end. I never considered dropping it down if it's even possible. I bought it brand nos factory set-up. I would love to see a review of that reissue pedal if and when you get one. Cheers!
To me it looks like one governing factor is your physical height to stool height ratio. I say this because with me I always notice a change when I sit on someone else's kit. Could you possibly give us yours and you stools heights?
I think you're using a very economical heel toe technique, very efficient, all superfluous movements gaving been excised over the tears.. I mean, at this level it's hardly heel toe in the "classic" sense, but I think that's the basis of it, but with years of practice and refining.
It's a controlled rebound technique developed from a more animated heel toe basis I think. It's most likely an amalgamation of minimum slide, almost imperceptible, but you're probably using the musculature of the leg to a degree as if you were sliding, if that makes sense; so - static rebound control on a heel toe basis, that's the most precise, albeit a bit pretentious, description I would use for your double note bass drum playing.
In short, lots of playing and optimizing.
It's a great technique snapshot video for intermediate folk who have an understanding of pedal technique but might be in that limbo/plateau of not quite knowing how to refine it further. This is what they should aspire to, a very good outcome if they understand how to modify their playing to allign it more with the set of values you've probably alligned yourself with to achieve thus level of profficiency.
Basically, at your level, you're doing the minimum work for the optimum result, you have control, enough volume with room to spare, good speed, and you can probably play for days, efficient technique translates to increased stamina, longer peak effort with less time needed to recover and the risk of injury/strain is basically null.
I wish more people watched your channel, there's quite a number of videos out here on yt that don't really explain pedal technique for where it needs to be - a healthy way of playing the bass, at the beggining, that can be further optimized. Most lessons just outline the mechanics of a technique but people rarely expain to students that they can (and should) take it further as they become more experienced. Also, that it requires a level of seeking after those refinements, they don't always happen naturally, automatically, as people accumulate experience.
People can become good players on very shoddy technique, is what I mean to say, or even on technique that's a sure road to injury.
So your video is a showcase of very good, very efficient technique. This should be aspirational for the average heel toe player, although I think even slide technique players can get here if they look into limiting unnecesary pedal motions.
Anyways, great technique, you could have went a bit more in-depth, explained some of the basics, some of the refinements too, but I guess people can figure things out in their own time or just try to emulate your technique as seen.
Btw, I'll dugress, since you're talking pedal and pedal technique, I want to say that ludwig is releasing new speed king pedals, announced them at namm. They are as old school as they get, got that look, no major frame redesign, they dissasemble easily, they are fitted with a no nonsense direct drive - basically a metal link with no extra parts.
m.ua-cam.com/video/j0yit2IkA0c/v-deo.html that's a video with a general presentation of the pedal, if you can spare a few minutes. I wonder what you make of it, is it legit, is it just a sort of nostalgia reissue? What are your thoughts. I know you don't really do product videos as such, but I hope this piques your interest, I'd like to know your thoughts about it, maybe break your rule and do a gear history/overview video of the speed kings, or maybe do a small segment within some other video dedicated to the reissue.
Sorry for the extra long comment. And thanks for all the videos! I don't generally comment but I've learned a ton in 2019 from your uploads, licks, fills, grooves. And a deeper appreciation for Led Zeppelin and Bonzo.
So I want to end by wishing you a great 2020, with tons of new subscribers and lots of new videos. Your work here on yt is definitely underappreciated in terms of how many people it reaches but those it reaches are 100% enriched by it, of that you can rest assured.
@Hands First Flower 😂
Wow!! I'll say right off the bat, I really appreciate all your insights and comments. I'm a very slow typer, so I won't reply as vociferously but, thank you!! Also, I realized while making this video that I want to practice some more on this , it's been a while and there's always room for improvement and refinement.
I do intend to get the new Speed King and look forward to seeing if it is an improvement. I can't seem to get the same control and comfort that I used to with the old ones. I hear from a friend who works at Ludwig that he thinks the new Atlas pedals are even smoother than the SK.
@Hands First Flower 😬
@@BONHAMOLOGY Thank you sir! Glad you're also considering the new speedie; can't wait to see what you make of it.
What he said.
What kind of pad do you have on your bass drum to protect the head from the beater?
Looks like mole skin.
he said it is a mole skin patch in an older vieo
Thank you both. I'm almost 70 and forget sometimes.
@@DAGDRUM53 They beat me to it! Moleskin
@@BONHAMOLOGY lol
Awesome George! What BPM would you guess you're doing the Bonham triplets at? 130 - 140?
I'm at about 110 to 115 with a metronome on a good day, with a goal of 130 for now, and of course as fast as I can at some point. Thanks! ✌️
Thanks David! Not sure, I never really thought about it. I'm playing them around up to about 180 -190 here. I was practicing them at 190 today. I can do them over 200 as well but I need to practice more!!
@@BONHAMOLOGY Awesome, thanks George! Ok, more goals for me to work on! 😊
Why don't you start a Patreon page where you teach all these stuff, people would go crazy. I know i would.
i suppose i should do that! i may look into it soon. thanks
Heal toe technique
Not really heel toe heel does not hit pedal awsome technique
Everyone keeps calling him George. Does anyone know his full name? This guy has Bonham down to a T and even the sound. Gotta see more of him.
That would be called a heel-toe double stroke it's very common especially in metal music