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It amazes me to see every year Asus, Samsung and others using the same crap diving board touchpad and so reflective displays. When will they learn? If you want quality many times Apple is the only true option.
You should do an actual battery life test by running them until they both power off. Percentage remaining don't always scale linearly, sometimes the last 20% lasts longer than the first 20%.
If you're a battery-life focused buyer, you're probably not going to opt for an OLED; so as for proof that Intel is competitive this is fine, but if you really prioritize battery life then I doubt this comparison is really the one to make. Then again; it's a hassle to have a 1hr battery life, but once you're hitting 8+ hours aren't we hitting diminishing returns anyhow? Especially since most modern laptops have USB-C charging ports, and there's almost always a charger available if you really need it, even if you didn't lug around your own power brick.
@@bjarne431 yes i see your point but i also think that the ram Management from apple is verry good and i also think for most people (programmer or graphics Designer) is 16gb good. Like if im doing somthing in blender my MBP is mostly even better with its 18gb than my pc with 64gb
@@bjarne431 that's the bare minimum though. have to consider it's 16gb of shared system and video memory. say 12 for system and 4 for video, it's still quite bad for both ends.
Imho with MacBooks around: was there any reason to get a snapdragon x elite in the first place? Dont you get windows for compatibility? The one thing windows on arm fails at
Imagine paying 1600£ for a Pro computer with 8 gb of ram Adding an edit since people believe benchmarks are representative of real world usage. Try exporting a 10 min 4k video with 8 gb. The exporting time is nearly double of what it would be with 16.
Man Intel wasn't joking when they said Lunar lake is the most efficient X86 processor ever. They have finally busted the myth that ARM is always more power efficient than X86.
You watched the video, right? The M3 was faster and the battery in the MacBook was smaller. Yes, it's an improvement on the X86 side and that should be applauded, but Intel is still far behind Apple Silicon.
I don't think intel has busted any myth. ARM is still more efficient as we saw in the benchmarks (M3 & SnapDragon). The best Intel can do is to match the current efficiency of ARM (which is a win for all of us 😄). If they do better than ARM in the future, then the so called myth will be busted. The question can be asked. Why didn't Intel push for this type of efficiency in the past? If they had, they would probably still lose Apple but they'll be huge players in mobile (which is currently dominated by ARM).
@@davidscamerajourneyBehind implies it's the same field. Apple is using ARM which is incompatible with windows, Intel is using x86 which works with Windows and Linux.
I really don't think this is a problem for Apple, or that this Intel chip has anything on the M3 in general, being beaten in pretty much everything, the real problem is for Qualcomm, now that a chip is offering the same benefits as the X-Elite but without any of the drawbacks of ARM on Windows, there really isn't any reason to buy X-Elite.
It is a problem for Apple. A lot of Apple silicon macbook sales are from people that just want an efficient laptop that doesn't overheat, sound like a jet engine and has great battery life but previously couldn't get that on a windows laptop. With intel lunar lake, those set of people can now get it on a windows laptop and A LOT of them will switch back to windows, reducing Apple's macbook sales.
@@fidelisitor8953 time will tell, I see where your coming from, and understand your perspective, but in this case the M3 is superior when it comes to performance and the M4 is being released in a week, so I think Apple will be ok, we are also yet to see how intel compares to Apple on the high end, the M3 Max scores as high as a 14900KS in Geekbench and as high as a 13700K in Cinebench 2024, intel has notoriously bad efficiency on the high power chips so we will have to see what Lunar Lake has to offer for that class of consumer. Apple’s graphics are also immensely superior especially on the higher end models, where windows laptop will need to use NVIDIA/AMD cards to compete, all the battery improvements will be erased when the dGPU will switch on, compared to the M3 Max that has the performance and the battery.
@@Garrus-w2h I agree when it comes to CPU performance, but the GPU pales in comparison with Apple, also X-Elite will most likely be using translation so that will be a performance penalty, additionally, we know for a fact that intel’s architecture supports dGPUS from NVIDIA and AMD, there is no sign of X-Elite laptop with dGPU. We will need to wait for comparison in order to come to any conclusion, but I think the X-Elite is in trouble based on what I saw from intel today
Just got a Zenbook S14 as a side machine as a 12-year mac user. For me it’s a win cause what I wanted is a native windows machine that can perform on par with my mac in terms of experience I.e. thermal management, overall responsiveness and battery life. The machine seems to address all the pain points, no more 2-hr shitty battery life from intel, I see this as a total win.
I don't think so... one of the main reason for Apple to develop their own chips it's a further hardware-software optimization and a uniform hardware architecture across different products, in order to create a better ecosystem. Now you can easily port an app or a game on both macOS and iOS with less effort. Then, reusing the same architecture across different products, helps Apple to reduce production costs taking advantage of economy of scales.
what kind of idiotic comment is that? if companies had their products 5 years earlier they would beat everyone, well done to point at the obvious. If Apple released their M3 5 years ago then Intel would be more f
Apple started on their ARM R&D back in 2005. Steve Jobs had started the project. They had already planned to leave Intel down the since for over a decade before M1 was ready.
@@MeowtronStar Yup I'd agree withthat - it take a long long time to develop your own chip architecture to the point its good enough for mass market. I mean look how long it took Intel to make these chips and making chips is all they do 24/7
While Intel's accomplishments are impressive, the Mac consumed the same 32% of its battery while smoking it in all benchmarks while outputting 20% more brightness, with a quarter the memory, and not firing up the fan. A couple notes: • It'd be helpful to know the capacities of each battery at 100%. • Intel's brand new Lunar Lake just got smoked by the M3 MacBook Pro just weeks before the M4s are announced.
Spot on! Half the people in this comment section don't understand that efficiency is a function of performance vs power usage 15-20% less performance for the same battery usage means it is 15-20% less efficient This comparison is also to an old base model binned 8 core M3 chip, the M4 chip is already on the market and will be in the MBPro chassis next month
@@AndyJMacLeod its not competing regards to performance, just getting okay with battery runtime. Apples least powerful M4 vanilla is about to get a ton faster than M3 and i didnt even mention m4pro and m4max.
@@AndyJMacLeod Sure, and I don't like those Windows Snapdragon, for Windows I prefer Intel/AMD solutions. Intel needs good news and this seems to be the right path.
AMD is actually way behind now, Intel is back baby, finally. The Snapdragon chips are a sorry joke at this point, Intel just crushed them into pieces with this chip.
@@ar1su Do more research mate. You can watch Max Tech reviews on this channel... X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind the M3 lol
@@ar1suyou are incorrect and you know you are and don't get me started with the screen off time snapdragon already proved it's the architecture so you can't try to pull one on Microsoft 😭 and every time Intel tries to gaslight us into thinking their old ass architecture can be more efficient then arm they always fail and I laugh every time because as much as they've done to hurt us and screw us over,people like you still keep coming back to them it's like a cult it's like someone close to you lying to you over and over again and you still trust them 😂
nvm guys, seems like the base model of M4 MBP will have 16GB of RAM. Original comment: The $1300 (actual price at Amazon) M3 MBP beats the Zenbook at almost every test, but you still consider the Zenbook wins in terms of value since it has 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD. That's an interesting conclusion. Speaking of the value, let's wait and compare the resell value of both laptops after 2 or 3 years. (Resell value is to quantitatively compare the laptops’ quality and support in the long run, why it’s so hard for some people to understand?)
No need to resell any of those for the next 5 years... for most users. Still, I think these nrw windows laptops are overpriced. 1k max. Ram and ssd are cheap, but mac has basically a 3050 gpu and mini led on board plus better TouchPad, speakers and webcam
Well if you run things that actually need that ram im pretty sure you will see a VERY different result. I am playing around with running AI locally, currently using a ~20gb model - that would perform like dogshit on ANY 8gb computer lol. Now i wish intel would offer 64gb lunar lake… :-) That 8gb macbook cant even use all features in the latest xcode due to the low ram. In other words: whichever way you look at it: 8gb is an insult for professional use today. Now im aware there is an m4 refresh coming, that will improve the mac value outlook a lot (if the ram rumours are right)
@@bjarne431 8gb is an insult for web browsing nowadays. it could have a cpu that's a hundred times faster, it would still be worse to use than something normal with 32gb of ram.
@@bjarne431 Fact is most people don't play LLMs, and if you do, it's worth to invest a more powerful PC or a Mac with more RAM. Some people buy $6000 Mac Studio with 192GB unified memory for training or fine-tuning because that's the cheapest way to get large VRAM.
You tested it with the power supply disconnected, where Windows laptops have standard reduced performance parameters when running on battery. Did you set the Asus settings to maximum performance on battery and then start the test? Or were these tests on the standard performance settings in this laptop? I'm not asking about the MacBook, because it runs on full parameters regardless of whether it's running on battery or power.
What makes this impressive is that this is their base 8-core chip series (Arrow Lake coming soon). And the main thing: it's using a full-blown x86 architecture. I love Apple's M chips, and am looking forward to their M4 series (I'm sure it will be amazing). But we all benefit from real competition. Bravo, Intel 👏
I'm noticing that it looks like there's a Windows update pending on the ASUS with that orange dot in the task bar. I'm certain that sometimes when I get one of those, my computer slows down considerably. Why would you run this comparison with a pending OS update? In future head-to-heads, I think it would be important for you to mention which version of OS each computer is running. And to ensure that any Windows machine is not in a pending update status. Please feel free to correct me if anything I've mentioned here is incorrect or uninformed.
@@JXDNL050 does it tho? I have never once noted a performance hit Then again I do have a 4090, 7950x3d, and 128gb ddr5 ram with 16tb (2 8tb) nvme ssd storage So maybe just maybe my pc is powerful enough there isn’t a noticeable performance hit
Amazing what a little competition can do. Thank you Apple for bringing competition to Intel, and thank you Intel for making a killer x86 CPU with great battery time. Now Apple has to bring the next competitive advantage to their CPU and continue with this beneficial competition.
@@PKperformanceEU does the jump from v8.4 to v9 alone bring such giant improvements? I mean I wouldn't mind, lol, just curious. I hope they also add larger caches and faster RAM (7500), that would also help further. I own the 24C M1 Max right now. It's good, but for some video editing (effects) and Stable Diffusion, it shows some limitations...
@@Skaratak m1max is arm v8.5. Yes even v8.6 has several key intrinsics over 8.5 like bfloat16, enhanced SVE, enhanced MTE, new Load store intrinsics, but arm v9: SVE2, SHA 256 512 extensions, branch target, rdnr, SVE2 SME SME2 and enhanced atomics which are most important for AI and matrix calculations both fp and int. New m4 family will be soo much better for video editing due to new intrins. I will buy m4pro or may be max for sure
@@PKperformanceEU Don't expect more than a 10-15% boost in raw CPU performance. Apple doesn't need to make it more powerful, it's already competitive. It will be easier for them to increase performance for the M5 by keeping it lower now
Intel built Lunar Lake as a competitor to MacBook Air, not MacBook Pro. The actual MacBook Pro competitor is called Arrow Lake. Please do a video for MacBook Air vs. Lunar Lake.
What a lot of people dont understand from this test is that ARM on PC was called advantageous because of its efficiency and so increased battery life with same work load and that is the reason its used in mobiles too, what intel has manged is actually groundbreaking because now X86 lunar lake is efficient and consuming less power, if they manage to keep increasing the efficiency it might be good enough to go into a mobile. This test showed zenbook at same battery life as that of Apple, you have to understand is that both are chips with different Architectures and having similar performance is groundbreaking.
They don't really have similar performance, M3 is still winning very comfortably in *everything* against this CPU, and it's a last gen chip. It's cool (literally) that they've finally increased the efficiency, but providing performance that's 2 generations behind at either the same or slightly higher power consumption is hardly an incredible achievement.
@@thebuddercweeper I personally think the performance difference between the 2 is neigliegable, like you are exporting a 4k video in video editor and you will be sad because it took 30 seconds more?
@@polaris1985 That misses the point, and there are some areas like web browsing and anything GPU intensive where one would definitely notice a distinct difference.
I have to disagree - much of the software is on both platforms and the decision for many people comes down to the best return on the investment, what apps they'll be running on it most of the time, and their tech ecosystem. Also, many people own more than 1 computer (especially developers, designers and content creators) and will use them in different ways.
@@jamescowgill4039 I guess we are in two totally opposite social groups. Noe one, even one person I know would go into “Best Buy” for a Mac and leave with a PC under any circumstance. No air drop, I message, mail app, FaceTime. No chance, zero. I also have some gamer friends, doesn’t matter if the new Mac has 32gb, m5 with a oled, they are not under any circumstances buying a lock down Mac. I don’t use a computer but stg, I’d rather a used iPhone SE than the brand new galaxy. I couldn’t imagine having to type using a remote for my Apple TV
@@jamescowgill4039Have to disagree with you on that. He is right, most people operate on brand loyalty. Secondly for those who own 2 computers it will be far more easier to get a different laptop brand than the first one they own.
@@eds464I agree. I got a MacBook first, then a mac mini, then a iPad Air, and my next phone with be an iPhone. I never thought I would have been an Apple fan. The only thing stopping me from getting an iPhone is the fact my Samsung galaxy S21 ultra still works as it should. The moment it gives me an issue, I'm gone.
@theothernodude3139 No, they are not the same, they are different software, and Windows supports all my hardware, such as printers and multifunctionals.
It is crazy how Asus manages to make oled display look so bad they really need to change the coating even MacBook Air with standard lcd has better blacks vs Asus terrible old touchscreen displays.
It would have been nice to have run a multitasking test like you do where you compare the 8gb v the 16gb MacBook Pros to see how the 8gb hampers the a MacBook Pro in this comparison.
You should run a long video file at full screen on both until it is dead. That would be a fair comparison on battery life. I have seen a MBP go from 45% to dead in less than 30 minutes.
You have a chip manufactured in the same process, with the same number of cores a laptop with basically the same battery. This is probably the fairest competition possible. The M3 won, but the Intel wasn't that far away. GPU tests don't add up, more tests should be done to determine how fast they really are. Benchmarks are not reliable at all.
As a Mac user, I’m not going to upgrade to a Mac again unless they do something g about their pricing that is crazy, in order to get 64GB on a Mackbook in Australia it’s now $7100. Sure the Mac will always have a great build quality has better keyboard and display, two things that don’t matter when you are plugged in to a display. Their performance gap is quickly being lost too and if you have a nvidia gpu it smokes the Mac for video and photo editing. I specked up a HP Zbook with Nvidia RTX 4060 with double SSD at 2TB and 64GB it came in at AU $5500 not to mention they are both user replaceable.
The consumer is ultimately the winner here. Intel had to do something about improving the efficiency of their mobile chips, while Apple now needs to abolish the 8GB ram base option and will probably do it sooner rather than later. Whether you are a Mac or windows person, everyone is getting some excellent options either way.
I’m confused, you end up praising the slowest competitor. What Apple ends up showing is that there is no difference in the amount of memory when it comes to performance. Intel based computers are selling you more RAM that you probably don’t need. Apple Silicon performance was better in every measure with just 8 Gb. You overpaid that Intel laptop is my conclusion
His conclusion is so misleading. The 8GB MBP has better keyboard, trackpad, speakers, display, and most importantly the performance. Unless someone really needs more RAM for their productivity workload or have to use Windows, I don't see the point to choose the Zenbook over MBP. Not to mention that the MBP will likely have more resell value than the Zenbook after 2-3 years of use.
Lol, that were only synthetic benchmarks. RAM doesn't matter in those. He skipped for example lightroom export times where RAM would be a huge advantage. Many real life usage takes advantage of RAM but you would not see it in the "review"
The value of that extra RAM Will be seen over the next year's as both PCs will have to run larger models embedded in each os update, the Intel laptop will keep up the Mac will struggle
Although I’m a long time Apple fan, I bought the ASUS Zenbook Duo with i9, 32Gb memory and 1Tb hard drive, for performance and ergonomics reasons. It’s powerful and light. And those dual touch screens, both OLED, are so practical and never cease to amaze when I take it out in public ! It’s phenomenal.
I know you were testing the battery life at the end of the benchmarks but we all know how bad intel's slow down when not plugged in. These test shoud now be run with both laptops plugged in as I suspect intel will / may perform a lot better
TBF, USB A is old tech with drawbacks and accessory/device manufacturers should have already switched their bluetooth dongles and cables to USB C long ago Logitech and others are still shipping their flagship products with USB A for no apparent reason and it annoys everyone You must really like turning the USB cable upside down 3 times before it works Every dash camera, recorder, drone, gaming device etc uses a microSD card these days. Apple also traditionally heavily caters toward creatives who use cameras and sound recording devices.
@@scod3908 i agree, manufactorers should upgrade to C, but they dont, and its not good for us to suffer for that. While accessories don’t change, computers should come with USB-A. Besides, all the devices you listed with SD card(e.g.: Camera), instead of taking out the sd card, you can plug that device on the USB cable to the computer and work the same way.
@@brenomedeirosdeoliveira4090 I hate having to use the hub every time I want to quickly transfer some footage, or write Gcode for the 3D printer, etc Power cable and MicroSD are the two most common devices I plug in away from my desk Most of my USB A devices (mouse, keyboard etc) are plugged into a desk hub and connect to laptop via a single USB C USB A is outdated tech and there's no great reason for OEM's to be using it into the 2020's
Weird video and timing. Intel’s computer did have 32GB of RAM and 1TB of Memory, but still got beat in almost everything against a device with 8GB of RAM. Then the M4 MacBooks are expected to come soon to replace the M3 MacBook with a rumored 16GB as a base. 😬
You keep judging black levels with high intensity camera lighting on. Absolutely the wrong way to judge it & will lead to incorrect conclusions based entirely on the effectiveness of the anti-reflective coating instead of the inherent light control of the display panel.
@@blinblinthing that's much harder to do objectively because most people don't use full brightness in a dimly lit room, making the test even more subjective. All laptops have a dimming screen so low light performance is not usually an issue. It's much easier to compare full brightness in a bright room, and outdoor/bright areas is traditionally what this style of test was reflecting (because 10yrs ago laptop displays absolutely sucked at this).
Feeling pretty good about my Ryzen laptop (on battery 2691 single core, 12250 multi-core).. I don't have the battery life but I have the performance still. On power it's 2663/13172..
I can't think of the last time I listened to someone praise an Apple product for being not quite as good as a competitor. Plus the M4 is dropping this month. It is admirable how long they have stretched out the x86 architecture, but it clearly will never again overtake what is happening on the ARM front. Not on a mobile device it won't. Nice work on the RAM spec tho. Gotta love that part.
he does an unfair comparision, the lunar lake and macbook pro target different type of people, he should have compare the macbook air same ram and storage with lunar lake
This is very funny. 🤣. He obviously meant in terms of Intel's first try and battery life and more specs and cheaper price. Also, it wasn't that much slower than Apple's which is impressive.
Apple falls short in compatibility with games and many other Windows x86-only software. Additionally, some of us would appreciate having a touchscreen. Getting so close to Apple with x86 is a big win.
@@Alex-B2357 any limitations with your machine? I have the sp11 and am loving it. I do hope qualcomm's next iteration of chips are more competitive and more native ARM software is in the works...
I would too if the Snapdragon X Elite didn't have better performance and battery life than Lunar Lake. X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind M3 lol. That's just bad by Intel.
The important point of Lunar Lake is not how it's gonna compare with M3, but the Elite X from Snapdragon, it has no drawbacks from Windows on ARM platform, and offers much better overall performance plus maximum compatibility with every x86 Windows production apps. Qualcomm is being smoked by both and they needs to come up with something. But what holding them is Windows, so they either have to take part in developing Windows on ARM, or making their own optimized platform (which is barely a viable option because people are just get used to having things running on Windows/Mac).
it looks like M4 is the biggest improvement compared to its previous M generation. M4 vs. Lunar would have been a fairer comparaison because of the release date. to my opinion Intel is still 2 years behind in term of performance/efficiency, but congrat to them, what a come back !
Two points. Even though these are laptops, many use them all-day long plugged-in. I would argue that it makes sense to run the benchmark on the Windows machine also while connected to the power source. Secondly: I don't trust the battery mettering on Windows devices. A more fair test is running full-to-standy on one charge while running YT! in loop. Also battery consumption is not linear. Thank you for the review.
x86 having the same as battery life than an ARM chip while being almost the same is insane. Especially considering that they were destroyed by the Macbook last time.
Try to run some memory-intensive tasks. I can tell you that if I used an 8 GB RAM laptop for what I run usually at work, I'd never manage to get any work done because it will keep crashing.
@@GustavoNoronha It doesn't miss the point, because you're only using those laptops in office where you'd have an outlet near-by and able to power up. Let's say the Intel laptop performed 3x better plugged in, that's an advantage it would have over the Mac that people in the market can consider. There are people who don't care for it, fine, but it's something an open-minded buyer can consider.
No surprise 258v is an M3 as we expected since intel announcement in june. No smt, ram right next to the cpu, no surprise on battery life. Great to see 258v compared to a vanilla m3, since it is very close in design. And haven’t really seen much comparing these two in graphics. So far only seeing reviewers saying lunar lake is ahead of strix point at the power limits asus set. And old m3 is still even more ahead than 258v. Very nice, and if you want to save some money, MacBook Air has the same chip. For the price of the m3 14”MacBook Pro, just get an m2 pro 14”, it has 16gb and a whole lot more gpu, ports and screen support, better value.
@@marcopn1174 32 ram which gets smoked by 8, do better on performance than on paper, Artificially inflating the numbers just to bet reckt by a year old PC which has 1/4 of the ram
I wonder what the test would look like if Asus laptop was connected to the power source. Because windows/intel power management works very strange on battery, even if you switch every profile to max performance.
The day Apple created the M1 chip was the day I knew Apple was back into the market for innovation. I'm a windows guy and always will be but I always understood why there was a huge market for Apple users. Apple products back in the days was top in style, tech, and innovation. And yes, for a while it staggered and couldn't keep up with windows, android, and others. Then suddenly they decided to be innovative again. The M1 chip impressed me so much I advised Apple ex owners to go back to it and windows owners to give the M1 chip a try. Windows in my opinion is the goat when it comes to versatility and packing enough power to do it all and do it very well while Apple is specific to a niche but expert at it. The M2 chip impressed me still and the M3 chip doesn't disappoint either. The tech Apple has developed over the last 3 years is truly impressive returning to what the company always was - innovative. Even though I'm still a windows user, I think this year I'll buy an Apple laptop because I believe the M3 chip now rivals well with windows. Companies with Window OS finally have elegant products with their designs like Apple and Apple finally has the horsepower of products with windows OS and competes well price wise too. I feel like spending money end of this year and an Apple laptop will be fun to have and push it to its limit so the fans never stop screaming like I how I use my windows desktop and laptop.
Okay but hang on, you're telling me that the macbook pro m3 with 8gb ram won all the benchmark tests against the intel lunar lake x86 with 32gb of ram? So the better value for money option would be the macbook pro as of now, wouldn't it? The lower 8gb number looks bad on paper but in the real world comparison, it is no joke. I still think apple should provide at least 16gb of ram as a base variant now.
is unplugged performance the same as plugged in performance? i know it doesnt matter on the m chips but intel always benefited from being plugged into the wall and was severely throttled when running on battery alone. just curious
Zenbook doesn’t have a notch and can unlock with your face! Apple will be able to do this in 5-10 years, as their track record has shown. The review had gone exactly as expected, this Apple ad channel is still heavily biased towards them. This looks like a great trade off for the price, I think Apple should be worried about the amount of progress that Intel has made. It shows that x86 isn’t a dead platform and that it will still have more performance on complex tasks that Apple didn’t tune the processor for, since CISC has many benefits when compared to RISC and that is why it was dominant in the early days of microcomputers. You shouldn’t think that this is something small and Apple will have huge gains in the future, it’s proven that innovating such leaps are very hard and, now that Intel is coping the SoC design to get the same results as ARM, it will be harder for Apple to do it again without finding a new process that changes the architecture.
Man, if Intel would make a special edition of Lunar Lake with 12-16 cores or so, it would be a killer CPU also in multicore. PS: I think I missed it, what was the battery size in those 2 laptops?
So broadly similar performance, just as good battery life, lighter, thinner, more RAM and more storage for less money? Great laptop from Asus. With M4 round the corner, AMD killing it and Qualcomm pushing Windows on ARM to new heights 2024 is an amazing year for computing.
@@percy9228 because as the video shows, OLED is not superior by default, and all laptop screens are so good these days other factors start to become more important for enjoying media The Asus/Intel combo is less efficient (less performance for equivalent battery life), and it is in a cheaper feeling chassis with tinny sounding speakers These benchmarks are all against an outgoing model binned M3 base model chip, making them even less impressive It's great that there is some competition now and they're in the same ball park, it will finally force Apple to start improving their base model memory and storage specs
I agree that 8GB can be realy annoying on several "PRO" task. But srsly, 32 GB vs 8 GB and the whole machine is still behind everywhere ... M4 is just there at the door coming in a month XD. I own an M2 15 air base 256 GB / 8GB and i'm able to run CAD simulation over Windows through parallels without any issue. OFC you're limited, but dawn the performance / quality to optimisation ratio of Apple Ecosystem is just so high, and can't be reach on a Windows PC with so much hardware differences.
Thanks for the comparison video. Please can you also compare Lightroom Classic performance like you used to? General snapiness, AI masks building, export time.
To get this performance and efficiency out of the hugely compatible (albeit "old") X86 architecture - it's really a great achievement. I can't wait to get a Windows laptop with this chip and run everything I need on it.
@@madjoubah6549 Brand new Intel chip with 2020 M1 level performance, compared unfavourably to an outgoing 2023 base model binned chip, this guy wants us to believe it is "highly impressive"? Wait 3-4 weeks for the M4 release and watch the gap widen even further On the plus side, this will force Apple to ditch their greedy 8GB base memory strategy in favour of 16GB which will allow basic users some headroom
TL;DW; The Lunar Lake is a good improvement from Intel but the base Mac substantially beats it in every test. Thats not to mention the much more powerful versions of M3 available and that the M4 is arriving in a few weeks. So Intel is still quite a bit behind, although improving.
More value in the Macbook even if you configure the RAM to 24GB(If you need) because in 3 years when you trade in you will get at least half your money back. Here in South Africa a Macbook holds its value really well.
At least we have better days for the Windows machine... we can agree that at the end, the M series chip still gives better overall performance, but x86 chip is catching and fast. A lot of people still prefer using a Windows laptop rather than a Macbook. I hope they can come up with more powerful igpu that can match the nvidia gpus, so we dont have to rely on nvidia power-hungry gpu anymore.
Dude, you don't need to physically click the trackpad on the Asus - that's only there for boomers who like the really old clickable trackpads from ten years back and don't realise you can lightly tap the touchpad to register a mouse click. Any modern glass trackpad supports full gestures and is every bit as smooth as an Apple - I use both all the time as an IT engineer, though I admit that right-clicking still does require a nice firm click along the right edge - but how often do most casual users right-click?
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It amazes me to see every year Asus, Samsung and others using the same crap diving board touchpad and so reflective displays. When will they learn? If you want quality many times Apple is the only true option.
You should do an actual battery life test by running them until they both power off. Percentage remaining don't always scale linearly, sometimes the last 20% lasts longer than the first 20%.
very true.
I would love standby. No one does this.
Usually scale linearly tho
If you're a battery-life focused buyer, you're probably not going to opt for an OLED; so as for proof that Intel is competitive this is fine, but if you really prioritize battery life then I doubt this comparison is really the one to make. Then again; it's a hassle to have a 1hr battery life, but once you're hitting 8+ hours aren't we hitting diminishing returns anyhow? Especially since most modern laptops have USB-C charging ports, and there's almost always a charger available if you really need it, even if you didn't lug around your own power brick.
@@MoireFly Power efficiency also greatly affects the battery loglitivity and the laptop reliability.
Apple needs to upgrade that 8gb base to at least 16 gb RAM
Honestly that apple calls a computer “Pro” with only 8gb ram is a freakin’ joke. Macbook pros SHOULD have minimum 32gb ram imho
The Leaks abt the M4 mac books say that the bais model have 16gb ram and 512gb storage
@@AraIim a lot better than 8gb at least
@@bjarne431 yes i see your point but i also think that the ram Management from apple is verry good and i also think for most people (programmer or graphics Designer) is 16gb good. Like if im doing somthing in blender my MBP is mostly even better with its 18gb than my pc with 64gb
@@bjarne431 that's the bare minimum though. have to consider it's 16gb of shared system and video memory. say 12 for system and 4 for video, it's still quite bad for both ends.
There is no point getting a Snapdragon X Elite laptops now.
Imho with MacBooks around: was there any reason to get a snapdragon x elite in the first place? Dont you get windows for compatibility? The one thing windows on arm fails at
I think it would be on a different level if we could dual boot windows on Arm into android tablets.
@@bjarne431no why would I want a MacBook if I have nothing else from apple? I don't like MacOS either
Windows OS sucks
@@DustyKingbecause ?
Imagine paying 1600£ for a Pro computer with 8 gb of ram
Adding an edit since people believe benchmarks are representative of real world usage. Try exporting a 10 min 4k video with 8 gb. The exporting time is nearly double of what it would be with 16.
Yeah that is just sad
@@Johnny91832 imagine being broke enough to buy a base model
Agree to that, but practically it beats the lunar lake in almost every test
It’s crazy that wit 8gb of ram the OLD Mac that’s about to get a new processor SMOKES any and all comparable windows laptops
8GB in MacOS is like 32GB in Windows OS. 😂
Man Intel wasn't joking when they said Lunar lake is the most efficient X86 processor ever. They have finally busted the myth that ARM is always more power efficient than X86.
No one wants the g- side chip.
The Zenbook has a higher capacity battery though but it's still very impressive for Intel Core Ultra 2th generation
You watched the video, right? The M3 was faster and the battery in the MacBook was smaller. Yes, it's an improvement on the X86 side and that should be applauded, but Intel is still far behind Apple Silicon.
I don't think intel has busted any myth. ARM is still more efficient as we saw in the benchmarks (M3 & SnapDragon). The best Intel can do is to match the current efficiency of ARM (which is a win for all of us 😄). If they do better than ARM in the future, then the so called myth will be busted. The question can be asked. Why didn't Intel push for this type of efficiency in the past? If they had, they would probably still lose Apple but they'll be huge players in mobile (which is currently dominated by ARM).
@@davidscamerajourneyBehind implies it's the same field. Apple is using ARM which is incompatible with windows, Intel is using x86 which works with Windows and Linux.
I really don't think this is a problem for Apple, or that this Intel chip has anything on the M3 in general, being beaten in pretty much everything, the real problem is for Qualcomm, now that a chip is offering the same benefits as the X-Elite but without any of the drawbacks of ARM on Windows, there really isn't any reason to buy X-Elite.
Exactly! Windows on ARM will remain a complete dead end, destroyed by intel
It is a problem for Apple. A lot of Apple silicon macbook sales are from people that just want an efficient laptop that doesn't overheat, sound like a jet engine and has great battery life but previously couldn't get that on a windows laptop. With intel lunar lake, those set of people can now get it on a windows laptop and A LOT of them will switch back to windows, reducing Apple's macbook sales.
@@fidelisitor8953 time will tell, I see where your coming from, and understand your perspective, but in this case the M3 is superior when it comes to performance and the M4 is being released in a week, so I think Apple will be ok, we are also yet to see how intel compares to Apple on the high end, the M3 Max scores as high as a 14900KS in Geekbench and as high as a 13700K in Cinebench 2024, intel has notoriously bad efficiency on the high power chips so we will have to see what Lunar Lake has to offer for that class of consumer. Apple’s graphics are also immensely superior especially on the higher end models, where windows laptop will need to use NVIDIA/AMD cards to compete, all the battery improvements will be erased when the dGPU will switch on, compared to the M3 Max that has the performance and the battery.
The x elite is a high-performance chip lunar lake is quite slow in comparison.
@@Garrus-w2h I agree when it comes to CPU performance, but the GPU pales in comparison with Apple, also X-Elite will most likely be using translation so that will be a performance penalty, additionally, we know for a fact that intel’s architecture supports dGPUS from NVIDIA and AMD, there is no sign of X-Elite laptop with dGPU. We will need to wait for comparison in order to come to any conclusion, but I think the X-Elite is in trouble based on what I saw from intel today
Just got a Zenbook S14 as a side machine as a 12-year mac user. For me it’s a win cause what I wanted is a native windows machine that can perform on par with my mac in terms of experience I.e. thermal management, overall responsiveness and battery life. The machine seems to address all the pain points, no more 2-hr shitty battery life from intel, I see this as a total win.
If they had done this 5-10 years ago when they had the lead, then Apple would not have been forced to develop their own Arm chip technology.
I don't think so... one of the main reason for Apple to develop their own chips it's a further hardware-software optimization and a uniform hardware architecture across different products, in order to create a better ecosystem. Now you can easily port an app or a game on both macOS and iOS with less effort. Then, reusing the same architecture across different products, helps Apple to reduce production costs taking advantage of economy of scales.
They would have done it nevertheless.....
what kind of idiotic comment is that? if companies had their products 5 years earlier they would beat everyone, well done to point at the obvious. If Apple released their M3 5 years ago then Intel would be more f
Apple started on their ARM R&D back in 2005. Steve Jobs had started the project. They had already planned to leave Intel down the since for over a decade before M1 was ready.
@@MeowtronStar Yup I'd agree withthat - it take a long long time to develop your own chip architecture to the point its good enough for mass market.
I mean look how long it took Intel to make these chips and making chips is all they do 24/7
While Intel's accomplishments are impressive, the Mac consumed the same 32% of its battery while smoking it in all benchmarks while outputting 20% more brightness, with a quarter the memory, and not firing up the fan. A couple notes:
• It'd be helpful to know the capacities of each battery at 100%.
• Intel's brand new Lunar Lake just got smoked by the M3 MacBook Pro just weeks before the M4s are announced.
Spot on!
Half the people in this comment section don't understand that efficiency is a function of performance vs power usage
15-20% less performance for the same battery usage means it is 15-20% less efficient
This comparison is also to an old base model binned 8 core M3 chip, the M4 chip is already on the market and will be in the MBPro chassis next month
This video will be obsolete in days.
Still, it’s nice to see Intel competing with Apple Silicon…
@@AndyJMacLeod its not competing regards to performance, just getting okay with battery runtime. Apples least powerful M4 vanilla is about to get a ton faster than M3 and i didnt even mention m4pro and m4max.
@@AndyJMacLeod Sure, and I don't like those Windows Snapdragon, for Windows I prefer Intel/AMD solutions. Intel needs good news and this seems to be the right path.
Thats the exact reason they posting now :) they get views for intel vs m3, and in few weeks intel vs m4 :)
@@tamasgiczi I undestand M4 Macs are ready to be released this month of October.
Ryzen vs intel vs apple vs snapdragon
AMD is actually way behind now, Intel is back baby, finally. The Snapdragon chips are a sorry joke at this point, Intel just crushed them into pieces with this chip.
@@ar1suIntel isn't even in the conversation now. Lunar Lake has poorer performance and battery life than both AMD Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.
@@ibraheem1224 you are absolutely incorrect. Please revisit your sources and come back.
@@ar1su Do more research mate. You can watch Max Tech reviews on this channel... X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind the M3 lol
@@ar1suyou are incorrect and you know you are and don't get me started with the screen off time snapdragon already proved it's the architecture so you can't try to pull one on Microsoft 😭 and every time Intel tries to gaslight us into thinking their old ass architecture can be more efficient then arm they always fail and I laugh every time because as much as they've done to hurt us and screw us over,people like you still keep coming back to them it's like a cult it's like someone close to you lying to you over and over again and you still trust them 😂
nvm guys, seems like the base model of M4 MBP will have 16GB of RAM.
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The $1300 (actual price at Amazon) M3 MBP beats the Zenbook at almost every test, but you still consider the Zenbook wins in terms of value since it has 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD. That's an interesting conclusion. Speaking of the value, let's wait and compare the resell value of both laptops after 2 or 3 years.
(Resell value is to quantitatively compare the laptops’ quality and support in the long run, why it’s so hard for some people to understand?)
lol apple resale value is good because they are overpriced 90% of the time.
No need to resell any of those for the next 5 years... for most users. Still, I think these nrw windows laptops are overpriced. 1k max. Ram and ssd are cheap, but mac has basically a 3050 gpu and mini led on board plus better TouchPad, speakers and webcam
Well if you run things that actually need that ram im pretty sure you will see a VERY different result. I am playing around with running AI locally, currently using a ~20gb model - that would perform like dogshit on ANY 8gb computer lol. Now i wish intel would offer 64gb lunar lake… :-)
That 8gb macbook cant even use all features in the latest xcode due to the low ram. In other words: whichever way you look at it: 8gb is an insult for professional use today. Now im aware there is an m4 refresh coming, that will improve the mac value outlook a lot (if the ram rumours are right)
@@bjarne431 8gb is an insult for web browsing nowadays. it could have a cpu that's a hundred times faster, it would still be worse to use than something normal with 32gb of ram.
@@bjarne431 Fact is most people don't play LLMs, and if you do, it's worth to invest a more powerful PC or a Mac with more RAM. Some people buy $6000 Mac Studio with 192GB unified memory for training or fine-tuning because that's the cheapest way to get large VRAM.
TLDR: MacBook still outperforms ZenBook in most areas despite only having 8GB of RAM compared to 32GB of RAM.
Ram doesn't matter in those use cases, but in multi tasking and gaming (not fps, but lags)
It’s a pro laptop with a powerful gpu: Zenbook is a mba competitor
@@josephle2381the Mac they used in the video is an entry level pro model, with only one fan and m3 chips rather than the pro/max variant.
Ram matters for video editing,photoshop and basically every creative task so the fact that 8gb ram mac is performing better than a 32gb ram laptop
And the Mac does so while only costing $700 more for equivalent hardware specs and not being able to play most games! impressive!
You tested it with the power supply disconnected, where Windows laptops have standard reduced performance parameters when running on battery. Did you set the Asus settings to maximum performance on battery and then start the test? Or were these tests on the standard performance settings in this laptop? I'm not asking about the MacBook, because it runs on full parameters regardless of whether it's running on battery or power.
Most X Elite laptops don't throttle with power disconnected.
Why didn't you go back and run the speed tests all on wall power to see the difference?
What makes this impressive is that this is their base 8-core chip series (Arrow Lake coming soon). And the main thing: it's using a full-blown x86 architecture. I love Apple's M chips, and am looking forward to their M4 series (I'm sure it will be amazing). But we all benefit from real competition. Bravo, Intel 👏
Yh this was really impressive but took them so long,i love it tho but we need more improvements
I'm noticing that it looks like there's a Windows update pending on the ASUS with that orange dot in the task bar. I'm certain that sometimes when I get one of those, my computer slows down considerably. Why would you run this comparison with a pending OS update? In future head-to-heads, I think it would be important for you to mention which version of OS each computer is running. And to ensure that any Windows machine is not in a pending update status.
Please feel free to correct me if anything I've mentioned here is incorrect or uninformed.
I mean my pc never slows down when it needs an update
@@himynameisryanit does buddy
@@himynameisryan it does buddy ++
@@JXDNL050 does it tho?
I have never once noted a performance hit
Then again I do have a 4090, 7950x3d, and 128gb ddr5 ram with 16tb (2 8tb) nvme ssd storage
So maybe just maybe my pc is powerful enough there isn’t a noticeable performance hit
@@TechKerala only if you’ve got a broke spec pc or are a macOS fanboy who hates the idea windows is smart enough to be able to handle downloads
Finally, Intel might be back in the market. I think Brian Tong reported that very soon the minimum RAM a MacBook would ship with is 16GB.
Amazing what a little competition can do. Thank you Apple for bringing competition to Intel, and thank you Intel for making a killer x86 CPU with great battery time. Now Apple has to bring the next competitive advantage to their CPU and continue with this beneficial competition.
they do. M4 is built on arm64 v9a and that alone without any litography upgrade would bring 30-40% performance uplift and reasonable efficiency gains.
@@PKperformanceEU does the jump from v8.4 to v9 alone bring such giant improvements?
I mean I wouldn't mind, lol, just curious. I hope they also add larger caches and faster RAM (7500), that would also help further. I own the 24C M1 Max right now. It's good, but for some video editing (effects) and Stable Diffusion, it shows some limitations...
@@Skaratak m1max is arm v8.5.
Yes even v8.6 has several key intrinsics over 8.5 like bfloat16, enhanced SVE, enhanced MTE, new Load store intrinsics,
but arm v9: SVE2, SHA 256 512 extensions, branch target, rdnr,
SVE2 SME SME2 and enhanced atomics which are most important for AI and matrix calculations both fp and int.
New m4 family will be soo much better for video editing due to new intrins.
I will buy m4pro or may be max for sure
@@PKperformanceEU Don't expect more than a 10-15% boost in raw CPU performance. Apple doesn't need to make it more powerful, it's already competitive. It will be easier for them to increase performance for the M5 by keeping it lower now
@@xfghffhfg apple is the fastest already and no its going to be a 30-40% perf uplift
That battery life shows that what matters the most in battery life is the process technology ued to make it. They're both on TSMC 3nm.
Intel built Lunar Lake as a competitor to MacBook Air, not MacBook Pro. The actual MacBook Pro competitor is called Arrow Lake. Please do a video for MacBook Air vs. Lunar Lake.
The performance would be the same as nothing they did was to test sustained performance
@chidorirasenganz ideally compare with the 8 core gpu version. Some tests including cb24 were stress tests.
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw you but for the same price you’d get the 16gb 512gb version which by default has 10 GPU cores
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw the cinebench runs were single runs not 10min continuous runs
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw the Core 9 version has not been released yet.
What a lot of people dont understand from this test is that ARM on PC was called advantageous because of its efficiency and so increased battery life with same work load and that is the reason its used in mobiles too, what intel has manged is actually groundbreaking because now X86 lunar lake is efficient and consuming less power, if they manage to keep increasing the efficiency it might be good enough to go into a mobile.
This test showed zenbook at same battery life as that of Apple, you have to understand is that both are chips with different Architectures and having similar performance is groundbreaking.
They don't really have similar performance, M3 is still winning very comfortably in *everything* against this CPU, and it's a last gen chip. It's cool (literally) that they've finally increased the efficiency, but providing performance that's 2 generations behind at either the same or slightly higher power consumption is hardly an incredible achievement.
@@thebuddercweeper I personally think the performance difference between the 2 is neigliegable, like you are exporting a 4k video in video editor and you will be sad because it took 30 seconds more?
@@polaris1985 That misses the point, and there are some areas like web browsing and anything GPU intensive where one would definitely notice a distinct difference.
@@thebuddercweeper well web browsing is dependent on RAM too so I doubt 32gb RAM will make it lag, Apple might lag
@@thebuddercweepersince pretty much no one cares about that performance it's quite irrelevant
These are fun but don’t really matter. No one looking for a Mac will be swayed to windows/android or vice versa
I have to disagree - much of the software is on both platforms and the decision for many people comes down to the best return on the investment, what apps they'll be running on it most of the time, and their tech ecosystem. Also, many people own more than 1 computer (especially developers, designers and content creators) and will use them in different ways.
@@jamescowgill4039 I guess we are in two totally opposite social groups. Noe one, even one person I know would go into “Best Buy” for a Mac and leave with a PC under any circumstance. No air drop, I message, mail app, FaceTime. No chance, zero. I also have some gamer friends, doesn’t matter if the new Mac has 32gb, m5 with a oled, they are not under any circumstances buying a lock down Mac. I don’t use a computer but stg, I’d rather a used iPhone SE than the brand new galaxy. I couldn’t imagine having to type using a remote for my Apple TV
@@jamescowgill4039Have to disagree with you on that. He is right, most people operate on brand loyalty. Secondly for those who own 2 computers it will be far more easier to get a different laptop brand than the first one they own.
@@eds464I agree. I got a MacBook first, then a mac mini, then a iPad Air, and my next phone with be an iPhone. I never thought I would have been an Apple fan. The only thing stopping me from getting an iPhone is the fact my Samsung galaxy S21 ultra still works as it should. The moment it gives me an issue, I'm gone.
People who buy Macs love to compare the hardware to PCs and the OS to Windows. Since when did they stop doing it?
$700 more to match specs but the base outperforms the Lunar Lake.
@theothernodude3139 No, they are not the same, they are different software, and Windows supports all my hardware, such as printers and multifunctionals.
just his tests, not all people use those apps or tasks
The problem with Apple is if you want to play AAA games need Windows. Since I’m a gamer prefer a Windows laptop.
Agree!
If you're a gamer, don't waste your money on a high end laptop, build a desktop 🤷♂
@@scod3908Can’t haul a desktop everywhere🤦♂️
@@scod3908not everyone has space for a desktop
It is crazy how Asus manages to make oled display look so bad they really need to change the coating even MacBook Air with standard lcd has better blacks vs Asus terrible old touchscreen displays.
Was the mac a touchscreen? the coating may be less reflective, but it wasn't touchscreen.
@@blinblinthing and at night you will have deeper blacks.
It would have been nice to have run a multitasking test like you do where you compare the 8gb v the 16gb MacBook Pros to see how the 8gb hampers the a MacBook Pro in this comparison.
You should run a long video file at full screen on both until it is dead. That would be a fair comparison on battery life. I have seen a MBP go from 45% to dead in less than 30 minutes.
Engineers who use Autodesk softwares they gonna love Luna Lake
You have a chip manufactured in the same process, with the same number of cores a laptop with basically the same battery. This is probably the fairest competition possible. The M3 won, but the Intel wasn't that far away.
GPU tests don't add up, more tests should be done to determine how fast they really are.
Benchmarks are not reliable at all.
As a Mac user, I’m not going to upgrade to a Mac again unless they do something g about their pricing that is crazy, in order to get 64GB on a Mackbook in Australia it’s now $7100. Sure the Mac will always have a great build quality has better keyboard and display, two things that don’t matter when you are plugged in to a display. Their performance gap is quickly being lost too and if you have a nvidia gpu it smokes the Mac for video and photo editing. I specked up a HP Zbook with Nvidia RTX 4060 with double SSD at 2TB and 64GB it came in at AU $5500 not to mention they are both user replaceable.
The consumer is ultimately the winner here. Intel had to do something about improving the efficiency of their mobile chips, while Apple now needs to abolish the 8GB ram base option and will probably do it sooner rather than later. Whether you are a Mac or windows person, everyone is getting some excellent options either way.
@MaxTechOfficial can you test battery life as in sleep mode and closed for 1-7 days? How much each of these drain?
Thank you for the good, unbiased review. Appreciate it. Quick question - is the display on the ASUS Zenbook a 8-bit or 10-bit panel?
I’m confused, you end up praising the slowest competitor. What Apple ends up showing is that there is no difference in the amount of memory when it comes to performance. Intel based computers are selling you more RAM that you probably don’t need. Apple Silicon performance was better in every measure with just 8 Gb. You overpaid that Intel laptop is my conclusion
Intel computer’s don’t need more Ram Windows computers need more ram.
His conclusion is so misleading. The 8GB MBP has better keyboard, trackpad, speakers, display, and most importantly the performance. Unless someone really needs more RAM for their productivity workload or have to use Windows, I don't see the point to choose the Zenbook over MBP. Not to mention that the MBP will likely have more resell value than the Zenbook after 2-3 years of use.
Lol, that were only synthetic benchmarks. RAM doesn't matter in those. He skipped for example lightroom export times where RAM would be a huge advantage. Many real life usage takes advantage of RAM but you would not see it in the "review"
The value of that extra RAM Will be seen over the next year's as both PCs will have to run larger models embedded in each os update, the Intel laptop will keep up the Mac will struggle
Fully agree. The Mac is better en everything but the “intel” is the winner. Nonsense. @UA-camEconomics
Although I’m a long time Apple fan, I bought the ASUS Zenbook Duo with i9, 32Gb memory and 1Tb hard drive, for performance and ergonomics reasons. It’s powerful and light. And those dual touch screens, both OLED, are so practical and never cease to amaze when I take it out in public ! It’s phenomenal.
Let’s see how it compares to the M4 in a few weeks.
I know you were testing the battery life at the end of the benchmarks but we all know how bad intel's slow down when not plugged in. These test shoud now be run with both laptops plugged in as I suspect intel will / may perform a lot better
Dude SD Card is not better than have at least 1 USB A,
it is still very needed today, way more than SD car readers
TBF, USB A is old tech with drawbacks and accessory/device manufacturers should have already switched their bluetooth dongles and cables to USB C long ago
Logitech and others are still shipping their flagship products with USB A for no apparent reason and it annoys everyone
You must really like turning the USB cable upside down 3 times before it works
Every dash camera, recorder, drone, gaming device etc uses a microSD card these days. Apple also traditionally heavily caters toward creatives who use cameras and sound recording devices.
@@scod3908 i agree, manufactorers should upgrade to C, but they dont, and its not good for us to suffer for that.
While accessories don’t change, computers should come with USB-A.
Besides, all the devices you listed with SD card(e.g.: Camera), instead of taking out the sd card, you can plug that device on the USB cable to the computer and work the same way.
@@brenomedeirosdeoliveira4090 I hate having to use the hub every time I want to quickly transfer some footage, or write Gcode for the 3D printer, etc
Power cable and MicroSD are the two most common devices I plug in away from my desk
Most of my USB A devices (mouse, keyboard etc) are plugged into a desk hub and connect to laptop via a single USB C
USB A is outdated tech and there's no great reason for OEM's to be using it into the 2020's
What about performance when the pc is plugged in?
Just waiting for MacBook air M4 with 16gb ram in base model.
The best laptop money can buy🔥🥂
Sorry to inform you but 16GB in base model is reserved for the M4 macbook pro. The macbook airs will remain at 8GB of RAM for the base model.
You'll have to keep waiting. Maybe the MacBook Air M5.
Benchmarking in score is ntg, compatibility is the key!
73% vs 15% difference in OS market shares, you know what you need
an entry level discrete GPU score on the Mac, but can't run games. How embarrassing
It can run games and pretty well the issue is that developers don’t make versions compatible with the arm architecture
@@aldoinfanzon so it cant run games
What are the battery capacities?
Weird video and timing. Intel’s computer did have 32GB of RAM and 1TB of Memory, but still got beat in almost everything against a device with 8GB of RAM. Then the M4 MacBooks are expected to come soon to replace the M3 MacBook with a rumored 16GB as a base. 😬
The MacBook Air would have been a more interesting comparison for me. Please do one of these too.
You keep judging black levels with high intensity camera lighting on. Absolutely the wrong way to judge it & will lead to incorrect conclusions based entirely on the effectiveness of the anti-reflective coating instead of the inherent light control of the display panel.
I agree, it's ok to mention the reflectivity, but test them in a dark environment also.
@@blinblinthing that's much harder to do objectively because most people don't use full brightness in a dimly lit room, making the test even more subjective. All laptops have a dimming screen so low light performance is not usually an issue.
It's much easier to compare full brightness in a bright room, and outdoor/bright areas is traditionally what this style of test was reflecting (because 10yrs ago laptop displays absolutely sucked at this).
Feeling pretty good about my Ryzen laptop (on battery 2691 single core, 12250 multi-core).. I don't have the battery life but I have the performance still. On power it's 2663/13172..
Next time please do real gaming test like tomb raider which is comparable in both laptops
I can't think of the last time I listened to someone praise an Apple product for being not quite as good as a competitor. Plus the M4 is dropping this month. It is admirable how long they have stretched out the x86 architecture, but it clearly will never again overtake what is happening on the ARM front. Not on a mobile device it won't. Nice work on the RAM spec tho. Gotta love that part.
Lunar Lake you did it!…slower in every single test. Well done.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
he does an unfair comparision, the lunar lake and macbook pro target different type of people, he should have compare the macbook air same ram and storage with lunar lake
This is very funny. 🤣.
He obviously meant in terms of Intel's first try and battery life and more specs and cheaper price. Also, it wasn't that much slower than Apple's which is impressive.
Apple falls short in compatibility with games and many other Windows x86-only software. Additionally, some of us would appreciate having a touchscreen. Getting so close to Apple with x86 is a big win.
@@xfghffhfg I have a touchscreen laptop, I dont hold a 1.8kg 14 inch 80 degree celcius just to do what a mouse does.
No one does the speaker test like Max Tech... no one!!!
Ya joking 🤣🤣
Haha thank you! I guess we started the trend many years ago!
Returning my snapdragon x ☹️
Why bro
@@user-hl9jq8iz4i nah I’m not returning - but I did only look at snapdragon because of the battery life.
@@Alex-B2357 any limitations with your machine? I have the sp11 and am loving it. I do hope qualcomm's next iteration of chips are more competitive and more native ARM software is in the works...
I would too if the Snapdragon X Elite didn't have better performance and battery life than Lunar Lake.
X-Elite beats the M3 in multi-core and Lunar Lake is 2000 points behind M3 lol. That's just bad by Intel.
Right? It does make the snapdragon machines redundant. The only advantage the snapdragon has is longer battery life.
You had to compare the zenbook s with the Macbook air, not with the pro model
Never arrived so early to a Max Tech video
The important point of Lunar Lake is not how it's gonna compare with M3,
but the Elite X from Snapdragon, it has no drawbacks from Windows on ARM platform, and offers much better overall performance plus maximum compatibility with every x86 Windows production apps.
Qualcomm is being smoked by both and they needs to come up with something. But what holding them is Windows, so they either have to take part in developing Windows on ARM, or making their own optimized platform (which is barely a viable option because people are just get used to having things running on Windows/Mac).
Очередной, возможно последний шанс показать Intel в сравнении с Apple Silicone
Problem with PC is not the processor or SOC. Its the windows itself...
it looks like M4 is the biggest improvement compared to its previous M generation. M4 vs. Lunar would have been a fairer comparaison because of the release date. to my opinion Intel is still 2 years behind in term of performance/efficiency, but congrat to them, what a come back !
Yeah, weird times to be in. Intel is now officially a "mid" company with nothing but mid products at this point.
Two points. Even though these are laptops, many use them all-day long plugged-in. I would argue that it makes sense to run the benchmark on the Windows machine also while connected to the power source.
Secondly: I don't trust the battery mettering on Windows devices. A more fair test is running full-to-standy on one charge while running YT! in loop. Also battery consumption is not linear.
Thank you for the review.
intel is slower in every test, yet you called it a winner? Bravo...
Intel is not slower. 1) it’s a core U7 chip not U9
2) Windows 11 is not so optimised as compared to Mac os
x86 having the same as battery life than an ARM chip while being almost the same is insane. Especially considering that they were destroyed by the Macbook last time.
Great benchmark as always! Is it possible for you to give us a way to download the files you used to benchmark Davinci Resolve 😊 Thanks!
Try to run some memory-intensive tasks. I can tell you that if I used an 8 GB RAM laptop for what I run usually at work, I'd never manage to get any work done because it will keep crashing.
plug that zenbook and do the test again
That misses the point, part of the reason you want a thin & light is to have good performance on the go.
@@GustavoNoronha It doesn't miss the point, because you're only using those laptops in office where you'd have an outlet near-by and able to power up.
Let's say the Intel laptop performed 3x better plugged in, that's an advantage it would have over the Mac that people in the market can consider.
There are people who don't care for it, fine, but it's something an open-minded buyer can consider.
No surprise 258v is an M3 as we expected since intel announcement in june. No smt, ram right next to the cpu, no surprise on battery life.
Great to see 258v compared to a vanilla m3, since it is very close in design. And haven’t really seen much comparing these two in graphics. So far only seeing reviewers saying lunar lake is ahead of strix point at the power limits asus set. And old m3 is still even more ahead than 258v. Very nice, and if you want to save some money, MacBook Air has the same chip. For the price of the m3 14”MacBook Pro, just get an m2 pro 14”, it has 16gb and a whole lot more gpu, ports and screen support, better value.
So the 8GB laptop smoked 32GB. 😊 Apple still beat the competition and the OS and ecosystem is what matters even more.
have fun with 8GB in 2024. Awful experience
I'm still happy with my M1 Pro 16’’ 16GB. No need for upgrade.
@@marcopn1174 32 ram which gets smoked by 8, do better on performance than on paper, Artificially inflating the numbers just to bet reckt by a year old PC which has 1/4 of the ram
M4 will change the game. Incoming in less than a week
So, the MBP M3 performs 14-26% better than the Intel at a premium of +46% MSRP.
I know it’d be speculative, but it would be also interesting to hear resale values after two years
I wonder what the test would look like if Asus laptop was connected to the power source. Because windows/intel power management works very strange on battery, even if you switch every profile to max performance.
The day Apple created the M1 chip was the day I knew Apple was back into the market for innovation. I'm a windows guy and always will be but I always understood why there was a huge market for Apple users. Apple products back in the days was top in style, tech, and innovation. And yes, for a while it staggered and couldn't keep up with windows, android, and others. Then suddenly they decided to be innovative again. The M1 chip impressed me so much I advised Apple ex owners to go back to it and windows owners to give the M1 chip a try. Windows in my opinion is the goat when it comes to versatility and packing enough power to do it all and do it very well while Apple is specific to a niche but expert at it. The M2 chip impressed me still and the M3 chip doesn't disappoint either. The tech Apple has developed over the last 3 years is truly impressive returning to what the company always was - innovative. Even though I'm still a windows user, I think this year I'll buy an Apple laptop because I believe the M3 chip now rivals well with windows. Companies with Window OS finally have elegant products with their designs like Apple and Apple finally has the horsepower of products with windows OS and competes well price wise too. I feel like spending money end of this year and an Apple laptop will be fun to have and push it to its limit so the fans never stop screaming like I how I use my windows desktop and laptop.
I wish there comes a day that youtuber not always relying speaker test using NCS.
I mean, there are a lot of great non copyrighted music out there
the culprit is the mini LED display, the drivers are extremely inefficient, the screen bottom gets really hot
Okay but hang on, you're telling me that the macbook pro m3 with 8gb ram won all the benchmark tests against the intel lunar lake x86 with 32gb of ram?
So the better value for money option would be the macbook pro as of now, wouldn't it? The lower 8gb number looks bad on paper but in the real world comparison, it is no joke. I still think apple should provide at least 16gb of ram as a base variant now.
is unplugged performance the same as plugged in performance? i know it doesnt matter on the m chips but intel always benefited from being plugged into the wall and was severely throttled when running on battery alone. just curious
Yes it is going to be better plugged in, but even with that it won’t even come close to filling the gaps
What display settings was in Asus? You need to put that in PCI D3 to get best color accuracy.
PCI D3 would worsen it if anything…
Why hasn't the M4 chip been integrated into MacBooks yet? Are they moving towards the M5 chip?
M4 MacBooks will be presented at the end of this month and will available from the 1st of November.
Could you do a gaming test on these new Lunar Lake laptops?
You also didn't run Blender to show the M3's raytracing circuitry.
Lunar lake also has hardware raytracing
The title says Lunar Lake vs Apple M3 but it was more over Zenbook s14 vs apple.
You are blaming the laptop chassis?
I think the bleed is charming after 6 months, especially in the terminal
Zenbook doesn’t have a notch and can unlock with your face! Apple will be able to do this in 5-10 years, as their track record has shown.
The review had gone exactly as expected, this Apple ad channel is still heavily biased towards them.
This looks like a great trade off for the price, I think Apple should be worried about the amount of progress that Intel has made. It shows that x86 isn’t a dead platform and that it will still have more performance on complex tasks that Apple didn’t tune the processor for, since CISC has many benefits when compared to RISC and that is why it was dominant in the early days of microcomputers. You shouldn’t think that this is something small and Apple will have huge gains in the future, it’s proven that innovating such leaps are very hard and, now that Intel is coping the SoC design to get the same results as ARM, it will be harder for Apple to do it again without finding a new process that changes the architecture.
Man, if Intel would make a special edition of Lunar Lake with 12-16 cores or so, it would be a killer CPU also in multicore. PS: I think I missed it, what was the battery size in those 2 laptops?
Lunar Lake is made on TSMC's N3B node, basically the same node as M3 vanilla 😅. Oh yeah, this is the first time I guess, Intel joined in TSMC 😅
What about LLM inference tests? It would have been interesting to see those 32GB at work with Intel ARC on Ollama or LMStudio.
So broadly similar performance, just as good battery life, lighter, thinner, more RAM and more storage for less money? Great laptop from Asus. With M4 round the corner, AMD killing it and Qualcomm pushing Windows on ARM to new heights 2024 is an amazing year for computing.
why did you forget it's oled too
@@percy9228 because as the video shows, OLED is not superior by default, and all laptop screens are so good these days other factors start to become more important for enjoying media
The Asus/Intel combo is less efficient (less performance for equivalent battery life), and it is in a cheaper feeling chassis with tinny sounding speakers
These benchmarks are all against an outgoing model binned M3 base model chip, making them even less impressive
It's great that there is some competition now and they're in the same ball park, it will finally force Apple to start improving their base model memory and storage specs
This is still impressive on a x86 chip which was considered old school. Intel is definitely back with great anticipation on what could be next.
I agree that 8GB can be realy annoying on several "PRO" task. But srsly, 32 GB vs 8 GB and the whole machine is still behind everywhere ... M4 is just there at the door coming in a month XD. I own an M2 15 air base 256 GB / 8GB and i'm able to run CAD simulation over Windows through parallels without any issue. OFC you're limited, but dawn the performance / quality to optimisation ratio of Apple Ecosystem is just so high, and can't be reach on a Windows PC with so much hardware differences.
Thanks for the comparison video. Please can you also compare Lightroom Classic performance like you used to? General snapiness, AI masks building, export time.
To get this performance and efficiency out of the hugely compatible (albeit "old") X86 architecture - it's really a great achievement. I can't wait to get a Windows laptop with this chip and run everything I need on it.
That’s actually highly impressive, didn’t think X86 was saveable thought is was definitely going to die soon.
Intel was just lazy
If they had released this 5 years ago. Intel will dominate the laptop market like Never before
@@madjoubah6549 Brand new Intel chip with 2020 M1 level performance, compared unfavourably to an outgoing 2023 base model binned chip, this guy wants us to believe it is "highly impressive"?
Wait 3-4 weeks for the M4 release and watch the gap widen even further
On the plus side, this will force Apple to ditch their greedy 8GB base memory strategy in favour of 16GB which will allow basic users some headroom
TL;DW; The Lunar Lake is a good improvement from Intel but the base Mac substantially beats it in every test. Thats not to mention the much more powerful versions of M3 available and that the M4 is arriving in a few weeks. So Intel is still quite a bit behind, although improving.
video is gonna age so well when m4 launchs
What perfomance difference would look like if fill 4 gb RAM with iddle poccesses(like browser tabs) and run tests again ?
More value in the Macbook even if you configure the RAM to 24GB(If you need) because in 3 years when you trade in you will get at least half your money back. Here in South Africa a Macbook holds its value really well.
At least we have better days for the Windows machine... we can agree that at the end, the M series chip still gives better overall performance, but x86 chip is catching and fast. A lot of people still prefer using a Windows laptop rather than a Macbook. I hope they can come up with more powerful igpu that can match the nvidia gpus, so we dont have to rely on nvidia power-hungry gpu anymore.
Dude, you don't need to physically click the trackpad on the Asus - that's only there for boomers who like the really old clickable trackpads from ten years back and don't realise you can lightly tap the touchpad to register a mouse click. Any modern glass trackpad supports full gestures and is every bit as smooth as an Apple - I use both all the time as an IT engineer, though I admit that right-clicking still does require a nice firm click along the right edge - but how often do most casual users right-click?
people may be saying intel performace is bad but the real vision i see is what the next gen is going to be
Are we gonna skip the part where we say that this Intel chip is great for gaming, while Apple doesn't run anything?