A “fold” is a section. It comes from old English “fald” meaning “stable” or “animal pen/stall”. It’s called a bi-fold because it has 2 sections or “stalls”. Similarly there’s the saying “x has increased by 2-fold” meaning it has doubled as in there are two folds/stalls for each original fold/stall
Some words have the prefix mean the quantity of the root word. Such as triangle. There are 3 angles. And that’s where I think the confusion arises. Sometimes it’s the quantity of the root, sometimes it’s the quantity of something contextually related to the root. A trifold poster board doesn’t have 3 folds in the same way that a triangle has 3 angles.
The XT's unprotected display edge is definitely a no-go for me. Users who don't baby their foldables and exert a decent level of daily wear on tear have reported the display on this breaking in matter of weeks to a few months. If I happen to pick one up at some point for well under $1000 I would only use this occasionally when traveling. Either competing brands prove that the unprotected edge & the hinge under it can be made much much more durable with acceptably protective cases to match or I might just skip trifoldables altogether and pick up a 7-to-11 inch "fold n' roll" (unfold once like current foldables then the right edge extends an additional 30-35%) in yet a couple more years with the completely protected edges.
One of the supervisors in our publically funded computational neuroscience lab actually left to join Meta AI to work on these EMG wrist bands. He visited us back after a few months to give us glimpse into what he has been doing at Meta. He told us that it is super hard to personalise these bands for a given user and that it takes several hours of data for both the user AND the model to learn to do more complicated gestures accurately. These complicated gestures include for example, typing on a keyboard, handwriting etc.. The problem is that having enough data for the given user is the only bottleneck they keep hitting for this wrist band. So having say a short calibration session when a customer buys the product would probably not be enough. So I am guessing that a accurately working wrist band tech is quite faaaar away.
I have successfully delayed the dishes until now! 😌🕺🕺🕺 In other, arguably more important news, progress has been made on my iPhone 16 3D models! 🗿💯 I am also conceptifying the 16 Mini and 16 Pro Mini. If all goes well and my laptop doesn't explode whilst rendering it in Blender EEVEE, they shall be revealed to the world! 👏🙌
Adam’s question about bi/tri-fold is a common point of confusion in printed stuff too, so I’ll try explaining: Traditionally, the prefix part (bi/tri) refers to the number of distinct sections to a brochure, newspaper etc., with the word fold then indicating how the sections are divided. But you can also have bi and tri-panel designs that have 2 or 3 distinct sections, but on the same side. These could be sections divided by a line or similar design element. So you could have a bi-fold brochure where the front page is tri-panel.
when ellis and marques were talking about the fleet of humanoid robots when you google i robot, i had to look it up too and literally cackled so loud. you're not wrong!
David has broken me; I can now only listen to youtube videos at 2x speed since he mentioned it several weeks ago (except for this podcast, don't worry Ellis)
The point of the mate xt is that it allows you to use all 3 of the displays at once. Has no one else understood this?! Samsung fold and the pixel fold and the other similar ones, all of them technically have 3 displays too, but allows you to 2 at most.
I hope in a year or two Orion can work for someone who has a scratched left cornea with 40% of the left eyelid stitched shut. I'm 20/20 in the right eye.
I think the Orion glasses could have a "cheaper" version without the AR sensors and pinning and stuff and just projecting a square in front of you, but keeping that magic bracelet. Then you mimic the cell phone usage without tilting the head down, nor holding it. For me, that's already some magic!
And increases battery life for reducing all the sensors... By the way, speaking of battery, these companies should bring back that chain that old people used in their glasses when they put it to rest held behind the neck. Could be a power cord connected to a pendulum like battery that goes in our back... 🤔
arcminutes is used for space stuff constantly so if you're involved with astronomy stuff at all you use that measurement a lot, like the moon's angular diameter from us is ~31 arcminutes
Relating to the tri-fold/bi-fold discussion: According to Merriam-Webster, the word (that is, the noun) "fold" applies to both the crease that is created when folding as well as the two parts which are "doubled or laid over another part." To be a bit more explicit and give an example: When you fold (verb) a piece of paper, you are creating a fold (noun, the crease) in the paper that divides two folds (noun, the parts created by the act) of paper. So if you fold a phone twice, you get two folds (as in crease), but also three folds (as in parts). So in the case of the Mate XT, there's a case to be made for both looking at it as a "bi-fold" and a "tri-fold". If your alignment is chaotic evil, there is even an argument to be made for "penta-fold".
EMG, it is very real and used in the medical field for patients who need studies on their muscles to determine nerve damage or compromise 🙂 I’ve used it when planning patient plan of care programs it is very useful for determining the extent of damage internally 😌 Edit: I thought I’d add I’m a Doctor of Physical Therapy, so clinical doctor who works with this about as regularly as I watch Waveform 🤝
17:11 The way to describe the tri-fold is an Huawei Mate XS & XS2 combined, outward and inward folding capabilities. With Huawei and HONOR (using the blueprint of Huawei obviously) making their folds "true to size" and still thinner than Samsung is one of the reasons why I couldn't move to the US full time.
Then the rest who couldn't lose money as the reseller market collapsed into its own footprint because the phone is trash and breaks easily since you can't make a proper case for it.
@@cpatp surprisingly, its still doing pretty good, the resell value has gone down but they still sell at about 1k - 2k premium, not that bad i would say.
@@cpatp trash? break? everyone knows that it gives big screen and it's stable. you even have not used it, why can you evaluate it like this？maybe you can't afford it, hhhhh.
i own meta ray bans in matte black and love them. after seeing marques’ i bought the clear ones, so sick! 😆 also you handled the extreme over reaction from the internet well, great job, don’t worry about haters you are a true professional and legend.
NGL while they are a bit thicker, I’m surprised no one has compared them to Tony Stark’s EDITH glasses. The blue lens and semi-rainbow effect that happens over the lenses when you’re viewing/requesting info. If they get it to that point form factor wise and maybe even Glass comes back I might very well be interested because, while they’re cool the Meta Ray-Bans are not the most practical thing in terms of functionality (IMO as a daily glasses wearer)
I wonder if the wrist input device stops working if you add some random changes to your hand... For example, wearing a ring. Or when you have a minor sprain in one of your fingers, that may affect the electrical pulses to the device because there's more blood flow. I assume recalibration would be the simple fix, but it's something to think about.
You know what, I think I could get behind a tri-fold phone, especially if they were to have similar dimensions as this Huawei one. They look more like a true tablet when unfolded and could more feasibly be a laptop replacement than current bi-folds (which would offset the cost).
The “fold” is the section. The part you are referring to as a fold is actually a “crease.” A bi-fold has 2 folds and 1 crease. A tri-fold has 3 folds and 2 creases.
@WVFRM Podcast "Tri-Fold" and "Bi-Fold," do not remark on the number of folds, but on the number of sides that results. You're thinking about it wrong. It's not counting folds, it's counting sides. English *sings "the more you know!"* A fold is a process/action not a result, there less important than resulting panels/sides.
The quest 3 was ruined by the bad passthrough (I know it improved over time apparently), and the lack of eye tracking. Moving windows around with nothing but clunky hand tracking is a pain. Simply adding eye tracking like the PSVR2 has would've improved the experience so much. I've pre-ordered a Visor 4k because it's the first product that actually delivers (hopefully) on all of my must haves.
I actually have a challenge for you, Marques, and I think it would be perfect for a 3-minute-long Shorts: taking questions from the comment section and answering them. But really I just want your opinion on this, since I'm kinda currently itching to hop back on the Android side of life and I did a little shopping around Best Buy: What is the Best Android Budget phone.... UNDER 200$ currently?
You guys should do this all the time where you do predictions before an event record it post it and then do a summary video afterwards, which I’m sure you guys are gonna do to see what you got right what you got wrong and you could even make a thing of it for any of these big events could be cool a nice bucket of content in a silo that’s the before and after predictions crystal ball
Question for the next scenes from a Hat/Ama episode if there ever is one: (In honor of that tri-fold work of art from Huawei) By what year is it unacceptable for Apple to not be making/selling a foldable iPhone? Follow up: if you had to predict, would apples first foldable be flip style, Fold style, or they debut both at the same event?
Brb… finding some dishes to do
Real talk! 🤣🤣🤣
Glad this is the top comment not generic wallpaper stuff
@@rinnegone377had to put the good vibes out there 🫡
@@milwehttam The good vibes must be maintained! 😌
@@rinnegone377 Same! 🤝
Was listening to the audio version, but had to switch to see that tri-fold phone. What a crazy piece of tech.
Sorry yeah we tried but it's hard to describe that thing just for audio
@@Waveform Feels like less a bad description and more just incredibly cool technology.
@@Waveform Hey you got huawei's chapter wrong, it's said xiaomi
@@Waveform It's not weird tech , more like cool tech.
Man i really like your videos but why do you guys always put down things from china.
same
Unironically preferred the energy of this episode; felt super casual. Perhaps due to sleep deprivation lol
agree!!!!!!
Perhaps due to the fact that they finally addressed the Panels concerns, where ever since that happened this seemed to have a very different energy.
A “fold” is a section. It comes from old English “fald” meaning “stable” or “animal pen/stall”. It’s called a bi-fold because it has 2 sections or “stalls”. Similarly there’s the saying “x has increased by 2-fold” meaning it has doubled as in there are two folds/stalls for each original fold/stall
Shouldn't "increased by 2-fold" mean it's now 3x the original since the "increase" was "2-fold"? (As opposed to "increased *to* two-fold)
@@badactor9063 it’s a multiplicative term. You started with 1 then multiplied by 2
@@keco185so 3x then? A 2 fold increase is just 200 percent increase or just 3x (of original x ofc)
@@anubhavsachan88 2-fold increase is actually 100% not 200.
@@DrSpaceman42nah, a 1 fold increase is 100%. A 2 fold increase is 200%.
14:47 Adam’s “You’re doing great sweetie” as Marques unfolds the last screen 😅😅😅
then someone had to scream like a girl after that🤣 i had my doubts because of their articulations at one point, but it is true🤦♂ they are pipers
@@fashionFuse the screaming was a sound effect lmao
@@fashionFuseThat's literally David screaming 😂
The joy that Ellis feels knowing we are only a few hinges away from Crumple Phone being a reality is infectious. His dreams are coming true.
We will have crumple phone before FSD
What does crumple phone mean?
@@ellisrovinwe will have crumple phone before roadster 2
@@whiteboyswag69 i vaguely remember a phone that can be folded into a paper ball, i was traumatized to say the least
It’s finally the weekend guys! Birthday weekend for me! 39 tomorrow. 😮🎉. But we start with the Waveform as always!! ❤
Happy birthday!! Enjoy the weekend 🎂
Happy birthday!! 🥳
Same here! Happy birthday man 🎉
Yo Happy Birthday 🎂 I’m turning 34 tomorrow
Happy birthday 🎂
FYI, the Mate XT comes with a protective cover which has a stand on the back and holds the phone on any direction.
This comment, im surprised because it comes in the box so its weird to overlook
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI mkbhd does show the cover and stand in his impressions video
Thanks for telling David to watch The Wild Robot again
That's ridiculous that he's rewatching it - maybe we're going to get a video about the movie from him?
Free Israel from Palestine. 🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱
@@SpaceDoodle2008its sarcasm bro.
It’s called a trifold because it folds into three sections.
When you bisect something you don’t cut it twice you cut it into two items.
Some words have the prefix mean the quantity of the root word. Such as triangle. There are 3 angles. And that’s where I think the confusion arises. Sometimes it’s the quantity of the root, sometimes it’s the quantity of something contextually related to the root. A trifold poster board doesn’t have 3 folds in the same way that a triangle has 3 angles.
Omfg thank you so much for explaining this
That makes so much sense!
Adam and Ellis sitting in the big boy seats
Dream come true 🎉
They are better in every way.
I wish I could watch The Wild Robot over and over in the theater. I love this movie.
Dam is it that good? Gotta go see it
@@soberanisfam1323it is I just saw it tonight and it was fantastic
I did
Three times
That tri-fold looks crazy thin when unfolded.
I read it as The Onion Glasses thinking they’d sarcastically narrate what’s in front of you
Omg now I want this to be real 😂
I'd buy that
*points to whole foods* onion, what is that?
Onion Glasses: outside your budget.
The trifold looks incredible
The XT's unprotected display edge is definitely a no-go for me. Users who don't baby their foldables and exert a decent level of daily wear on tear have reported the display on this breaking in matter of weeks to a few months. If I happen to pick one up at some point for well under $1000 I would only use this occasionally when traveling.
Either competing brands prove that the unprotected edge & the hinge under it can be made much much more durable with acceptably protective cases to match or I might just skip trifoldables altogether and pick up a 7-to-11 inch "fold n' roll" (unfold once like current foldables then the right edge extends an additional 30-35%) in yet a couple more years with the completely protected edges.
This episode was like if the whole crew had taken brownies and then started the podcast😂😂😂😂
Not wrong 😅
why so?
@@kindofanmol everyone was super tired and hadn't slept in like a day
29:38 Ellis: I think…. Hi😊 *waves*
Molly, the day after.
For a first generation product that huawei tri fold is incredible
23:20 Marques palming this tri fold phone like it’s normal sized 🤣
One of the supervisors in our publically funded computational neuroscience lab actually left to join Meta AI to work on these EMG wrist bands. He visited us back after a few months to give us glimpse into what he has been doing at Meta.
He told us that it is super hard to personalise these bands for a given user and that it takes several hours of data for both the user AND the model to learn to do more complicated gestures accurately. These complicated gestures include for example, typing on a keyboard, handwriting etc.. The problem is that having enough data for the given user is the only bottleneck they keep hitting for this wrist band. So having say a short calibration session when a customer buys the product would probably not be enough. So I am guessing that a accurately working wrist band tech is quite faaaar away.
Absolutely love hearing Adam and Ellis more. I love *this* specific hosts composition. More of this.
Agreed!
The energy this episode felt way better, just friends talking about stuff they all like. Might be the sleep deprivation
WVFRM must lock in, it's Friday!
"the amazon app store is FIRE"... "STICK over there"... these are prime reasons why this podcast is the best
That Tri Fold Looks so Cool ❤
I have successfully delayed the dishes until now! 😌🕺🕺🕺
In other, arguably more important news, progress has been made on my iPhone 16 3D models! 🗿💯 I am also conceptifying the 16 Mini and 16 Pro Mini.
If all goes well and my laptop doesn't explode whilst rendering it in Blender EEVEE, they shall be revealed to the world! 👏🙌
51:42 Andrew has become self-aware
Adam’s question about bi/tri-fold is a common point of confusion in printed stuff too, so I’ll try explaining:
Traditionally, the prefix part (bi/tri) refers to the number of distinct sections to a brochure, newspaper etc., with the word fold then indicating how the sections are divided.
But you can also have bi and tri-panel designs that have 2 or 3 distinct sections, but on the same side. These could be sections divided by a line or similar design element.
So you could have a bi-fold brochure where the front page is tri-panel.
"You're doing great sweety" when he almost drops it. Looool
That trifold phone better come with HuaweiCare+++++ because that thing is gonna break like crazy
Snowflake is breaking for sure!
when ellis and marques were talking about the fleet of humanoid robots when you google i robot, i had to look it up too and literally cackled so loud. you're not wrong!
The entire time Andrew is holding and flipping and closing the phone. I'm just holding my breath 😂
I almost snapped it accidentally 😬
David has broken me; I can now only listen to youtube videos at 2x speed since he mentioned it several weeks ago (except for this podcast, don't worry Ellis)
I didn't even know about the epic win. And I follow news all day 😂😂
The point of the mate xt is that it allows you to use all 3 of the displays at once. Has no one else understood this?!
Samsung fold and the pixel fold and the other similar ones, all of them technically have 3 displays too, but allows you to 2 at most.
30:38 Andrew looks so much like Zuckerberg here lol
So much resemblance 😅
Man's One Handling that Trifold Like It's Normal 😂
7:30 I actually believed Ellis until Andrew started laughing 😢
OG hosts are back for the pod today!
I used to hate David, but now he is my favorite member of the cast.
Regarding battery swaps, NIO already does this and has a couple of swapping stations in Norway. It works fine from what I gather
I want to thank Adam for clearly holding up the tri-fold in front of the camera and comparing it directly to another existing phone.
The Best Podcast for 2024!!!
5 watches is minimum times david would need to watch the robot and understand it completely
57:24 It really is inevitable. We already have a compute puck in our pocket which is our phone. The compute puck they are using now is just a stand-in
I hope in a year or two Orion can work for someone who has a scratched left cornea with 40% of the left eyelid stitched shut. I'm 20/20 in the right eye.
* Milton Hurricane reaches coast of the Florida *
Mkbhd: So I've been under water for a week now...
I think the Orion glasses could have a "cheaper" version without the AR sensors and pinning and stuff and just projecting a square in front of you, but keeping that magic bracelet. Then you mimic the cell phone usage without tilting the head down, nor holding it. For me, that's already some magic!
And increases battery life for reducing all the sensors... By the way, speaking of battery, these companies should bring back that chain that old people used in their glasses when they put it to rest held behind the neck.
Could be a power cord connected to a pendulum like battery that goes in our back... 🤔
arcminutes is used for space stuff constantly so if you're involved with astronomy stuff at all you use that measurement a lot, like the moon's angular diameter from us is ~31 arcminutes
There are lot of cheap and really good tech happening in India. Specially when it comes to keyboard looking ant you Andrew. You guys will love it
Whenever Ellis wears white or anything with blue his eyes just be like 🔵👃🔵
We need a follow up to the wordpress situation. It is getting crazier and crazier every day.
I'm sure we'll get one after David has done his Wild Robot duty 😂
Love all the work ya'll are doing
This podcast keeps me fit every week
26:16 I love mastermind, Ellis! You're not alone!
the only podcast i will watch through. ty for the great content.
Jeez Andrew wasn’t expecting that jump scare. He made me jump a little in that 1 B roll clip. Lol 😂
Relating to the tri-fold/bi-fold discussion: According to Merriam-Webster, the word (that is, the noun) "fold" applies to both the crease that is created when folding as well as the two parts which are "doubled or laid over another part." To be a bit more explicit and give an example: When you fold (verb) a piece of paper, you are creating a fold (noun, the crease) in the paper that divides two folds (noun, the parts created by the act) of paper.
So if you fold a phone twice, you get two folds (as in crease), but also three folds (as in parts). So in the case of the Mate XT, there's a case to be made for both looking at it as a "bi-fold" and a "tri-fold". If your alignment is chaotic evil, there is even an argument to be made for "penta-fold".
Excited to be able to scroll through the comments again
Mooooommm.. the kids are playing with that trifold again 😂😂
UA-cam shorts got me listening to 2 episodes!
Whoever did this @27:44 Thank you
Finally marquis is reviewing the Huawei mate xt ❤
EMG, it is very real and used in the medical field for patients who need studies on their muscles to determine nerve damage or compromise 🙂 I’ve used it when planning patient plan of care programs it is very useful for determining the extent of damage internally 😌
Edit: I thought I’d add I’m a Doctor of Physical Therapy, so clinical doctor who works with this about as regularly as I watch Waveform 🤝
This is awesome thank you for the comment!
This is so interesting, wow! Thanks for sharing!
That Mercez concept unlocked so many memories
17:11 The way to describe the tri-fold is an Huawei Mate XS & XS2 combined, outward and inward folding capabilities. With Huawei and HONOR (using the blueprint of Huawei obviously) making their folds "true to size" and still thinner than Samsung is one of the reasons why I couldn't move to the US full time.
Hands down two of the coolest products from this year
I’m here five minutes after posting ❤
They way that marquis was spot on with the iRobot comparison and prediction.
I can already see Orion Glasses being super useful build in mass/personal transportation windshield or in Lab as research platform.
51:20 Adam casually describing the devices from black mirror 🙃🙂
imagine coming back to your robotaxi and finding scratches all over the quarter panel from the snake charging arm missing 😂
Finally the dream of the Myo Armband lives on!
interesting fact, the huawei mate xt has over 6 million preorders, the demand was so high that some scalpers managed to sell it at over 30k usd
Then the rest who couldn't lose money as the reseller market collapsed into its own footprint because the phone is trash and breaks easily since you can't make a proper case for it.
@@cpatp surprisingly, its still doing pretty good, the resell value has gone down but they still sell at about 1k - 2k premium, not that bad i would say.
@@cpatp trash? break? everyone knows that it gives big screen and it's stable. you even have not used it, why can you evaluate it like this？maybe you can't afford it, hhhhh.
Hoping to hear about Ellis trying out some premium hammers. 😅 I’ve been waiting for this episode for that specific reason.
Right on time. 😎👍
This is so relaxing
I love this podcast
i own meta ray bans in matte black and love them. after seeing marques’ i bought the clear ones, so sick! 😆 also you handled the extreme over reaction from the internet well, great job, don’t worry about haters you are a true professional and legend.
Andrew looking like Zuch with the glasses on 😂
When is the Internet Shaquille x Waveform pod coming!?!?
NGL while they are a bit thicker, I’m surprised no one has compared them to Tony Stark’s EDITH glasses. The blue lens and semi-rainbow effect that happens over the lenses when you’re viewing/requesting info. If they get it to that point form factor wise and maybe even Glass comes back I might very well be interested because, while they’re cool the Meta Ray-Bans are not the most practical thing in terms of functionality (IMO as a daily glasses wearer)
Picturing Court room drawings of Epic lawyers doing fortnite dances is killing me lol😂
Looking forward to this pod.
Glad the comments section is sane again! Let’s go! 🎊 🎉
Bisection (to cut in two). Bi-sectional fold (two section fold)
Tri-sectional fold (three sections)
Cool! Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
Great episode can't wait for you to make vido on 3fold
"you're doing great sweetie" 😂
I wonder if the wrist input device stops working if you add some random changes to your hand... For example, wearing a ring. Or when you have a minor sprain in one of your fingers, that may affect the electrical pulses to the device because there's more blood flow. I assume recalibration would be the simple fix, but it's something to think about.
You know what, I think I could get behind a tri-fold phone, especially if they were to have similar dimensions as this Huawei one. They look more like a true tablet when unfolded and could more feasibly be a laptop replacement than current bi-folds (which would offset the cost).
The “fold” is the section. The part you are referring to as a fold is actually a “crease.” A bi-fold has 2 folds and 1 crease. A tri-fold has 3 folds and 2 creases.
@WVFRM Podcast "Tri-Fold" and "Bi-Fold," do not remark on the number of folds, but on the number of sides that results. You're thinking about it wrong. It's not counting folds, it's counting sides. English *sings "the more you know!"*
A fold is a process/action not a result, there less important than resulting panels/sides.
The quest 3 was ruined by the bad passthrough (I know it improved over time apparently), and the lack of eye tracking. Moving windows around with nothing but clunky hand tracking is a pain. Simply adding eye tracking like the PSVR2 has would've improved the experience so much. I've pre-ordered a Visor 4k because it's the first product that actually delivers (hopefully) on all of my must haves.
I actually have a challenge for you, Marques, and I think it would be perfect for a 3-minute-long Shorts: taking questions from the comment section and answering them.
But really I just want your opinion on this, since I'm kinda currently itching to hop back on the Android side of life and I did a little shopping around Best Buy:
What is the Best Android Budget phone.... UNDER 200$ currently?
Are there any video discussions mkbhd has put out about panels app? Do they discuss it any podcasts?
He made a video about it on his main channel
They got Everything right!! 🎉
AWESOME guests
You guys should do this all the time where you do predictions before an event record it post it and then do a summary video afterwards, which I’m sure you guys are gonna do to see what you got right what you got wrong and you could even make a thing of it for any of these big events could be cool a nice bucket of content in a silo that’s the before and after predictions crystal ball
Marques: hello...new phone who this😎🔥
Question for the next scenes from a Hat/Ama episode if there ever is one:
(In honor of that tri-fold work of art from Huawei)
By what year is it unacceptable for Apple to not be making/selling a foldable iPhone?
Follow up: if you had to predict, would apples first foldable be flip style, Fold style, or they debut both at the same event?