Personally i think that the "Hair Metal" era, roughly '81 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. The "Hair" metal era 80's/early 90's was the golden age of metal.
I loved that Dream Thratre album bc we told ourselves it was more impressive Queensryche. I listened every night for a yr and havent been able to hear it since. Ryche. SONGS. Theatre. WANKOFF and too much gloss.
I don´t know about the rest of the world. There´s one thing that pisses me off about the Metal scene here in Germany. Whenever a new band comes along and gets a little more attention by the media, the fans are pissed off and complain about the media hype. It´s like Metal bands are only allowed to be successful if they were successful in 1987.
It's like that in America. Metal feels like the only genre where the fans punish you for being successful and not playing some crap 100 person capacity club
I always thought the indicator of a dying genre is that people talk about it as something that needs to be "resurrected", "passed on to new generations" or whatever. Because this sort of talk indicates that a genre is not edgy and cool anymore and has to be kept alive artificially. A genre has to come naturally to feel like it's not just a fossil
Never ever ever stop adding in the clip of Andy saying “here’s the thing” I’m a huge BVB fan, I have their logo tattooed on my chest, and I find it hilarious as shit 😂😂😂
I think it's just cool to say, "metal or rock is dead" but I've been hearing since the late 80's that metal/rock is dead but yet it's still around and gaining new & younger auidences all the time.
Only someone that has zero appreciation for the production side can say learning a DAW is easier than an instrument... Even just the mixing aspect is as intricate as learning an instrument. And then you've also got to have at least the basics of all the instruments you incorporate. There's legendary producers in rock and metal for a reason.
I’m a guitarist who just picked up Ableton a few months ago and I can attest that it’s just as hard as learning an instrument. To master it would take many hundreds of hours. I’m probably 100 hours in and I’d still call myself a beginner.
@@joshpark1 same, I've played guitar on and off for years- picked up ableton this year and felt like a total dumbdumb. I got some okay things but there's so much to even get that stuff to acceptably listenable.
Going to church when I was a kid, there was a man named Dick Harden who would give sermons. You could see people trying not to snicker when they announced his name. Why he didn’t at least go by Richard… I have no idea.
idk why these nerds only ever seem to think like the USA is the only country in the world. Like sure metal will never be popular again in the USA (it never was really all that popular in the US to begin with, the US is more of the country of popstars), but I can tell you that I was just in Sweden a few years ago and literal random people in the mall were coming up to me and my friends to talk about black metal and showing me their autographed memorabilia like "look I have this book signed by Nattramn from Silencer!". my advice: if you want to be in a place where metal is more of a cultural "accepted" thing i'd say just move to europe. theres nothing wrong with that but im fine with being in the US where Playboi Carti is my current favorite rapper (and i cant wait to see him on my birthday)
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147you're not wrong. sweden's music scene literally changed heavy music in every genre forever (and that's not even getting into the djent discussion)
You know, when grunge was big in the early nineties, everyone said metal was dead. Well it wasn't, it was maybe less popular than in the eighties, but underground there was great stuff being made. And I consider the nineties still the best and exciting decade for metal.
This. Saying that Metal died in the 90s is complete revisionist history when that decade had Groove Metal, Industrial Metal, Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Melodic Death Metal and yes even Nu Metal. The only subgenre that fell off was Hair Metal
The thing that's hindering rock and metal from being as popular as it was years ago isn't "black culture"; it's Nostalgia. Every new band's first output is measured against the greatest albums from the Greats of 30, 40, even 50 years ago, along with all the context behind the greats telling us how great they were for the last however many years. Nostalgia culture has eaten nearly all the radio space, most of the print space, and at least half the other channels by which "mainstream" people can discover stuff. That lost space for new rock and metal disadvantages it against everything else.
I go to Dream Theater shows solely to pick up chicks. I fail every single time but I become so mesmerized by John Petrucci's solos that I forget to even care anymore.
I’ve played drums and bass in bands, and I DJed and produced for a long time. DAWs are not easier than learning an instrument, by a long shot. Consider that MIDI controllers exist, you still have to know how to play piano to use a MIDI keyboard. That’s literally learning one instrument right there, and that’s without getting into sound design: understanding waveforms, oscillation, compression, and a whole slew of other effects. It’s extremely difficult - I’d say even impossible without copious amounts of dumb luck - to create the specific noise you have in your head if you don’t understand every little minute detail of your DAW and VSTs. I always laugh when people try to say it doesn’t take any skill, I’ll straight argue it takes _possibly_ more, but definitey a _wider range_ of skills. *IF* you’re doing to right. Some people just cut and paste a generic loop and paint a melody over it: that’s garbage, but properly produced music is definitely difficult to make.
It's funny, I think metal as a whole is better now than it ever has been. Lots of great bands, but I fall down massive rabbit holes and find great albums from bands with like 250 followers on Spotify.
Metal's glory years were 1980-1992, I think, and there were a lot of great Bands from that era, including Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, Cinderella, G n R, Skid Row, Poison, Warrant, Winger, W.A.S.P,Slaughter and, of course, Metallica. I'm a big fan of those years in Metal. 80's/early 90's were golden age of metal? There were a ton of good metal bands in the 80's/early 90's. Abundance of bands were releasing almost consistently awesome albums. The 80's/early 90's was the best time for metal because it was everywhere, the age was metal. Stadium tours, albums in the charts, the era of high sales, magazines, fan clubs. So many amazing underground bands were still out there. G n R, Maiden, Motley Crue, Poison, Dio and Ozzy were kings!.
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 those are great and legendary bands my friend and bands that I have been listening to since they debuted. If you like those bands you should check out these newer bands: Horrendous Tomb Mold Sweven Morbus Chron(they have disbanded but still check them out) 200 Stab Wounds Speedwhore Undergang And so many more good modern death metal bands.
100% wrong. I can't find any good bands anymore, you really have to dig deep just to find a band that's listenable now, Basically any band that came out after 2016 most likely sucks
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147i bet you have at least 45 years, yet so immature to have such a close minded taste. What happens if I tell you there are more and BETTER metal subgenres than Old School Thrash/Death. Such a boomer
If metal is being represented by the 4 bands in the thumbnail for this video than metal is already dead. Bring back the thunder of 80s metal and it'll come back to life.
I keep reading this "gatekeeping" argument. What gatekeeping?!? For quite some time now it is cosidered "cool" to be super eclectic in the metal fandom. We're not in the 80s anymore, where guys would literally rip your t-shit off if you didn't know the name of the demos. Metal is done because a genre/sub-culture can only last so far. Both metal and punk died a long time ago, only people forgot to bury it.
@@sole__doubt When he talked about metal being “dead“ he means from a mainstream/pop culture standpoint. 20 years ago you would go into a high school or college(the youth runs pop culture) many kids were fans of bands like Linkin Park, Slipknot, KoRn, etc. Nowadays the youth are into rappers, EDM artists, country artists, hell even streamers and other social media influencers. Metal bands don’t have the grasp on the youth like they used to. It’s great that metal festivals can still sell out with a big crowd with headlining bands from 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. But we’re talking about from more of a modern pop culture standpoint
Pretty sure the "pissing off the establishment" comment was mostly referencing the fact that she started rerecording her old shit to stick it to her former label after she lost her masters.
I cut my teeth on Bands like SlipKnoT and System Of A Down as a young teen and Death Metal is where its at for me now and I Think the SlipKnot take is spot on. Their first 3 albums were them at their peak and everything afterwords never came close. save for the odd banger here and there like Dead Memories, Snuff, Psychosocial, Sulfur, Unsainted and Devil In I.
Their first two albums are peak slipknot, vol 3 was different but I still liked it a lot, AHIG had some bangers like gematria and title track imo and the newer stuff is fine but just doesn't hit the same for me
Always new to the hardcore scene (if that doesn’t make sense, think of how people list dozens of different bands as “oh you like metal, of course you know ‘ameer’”and get pissed off when you ask them to spell it. Metal is in a new, formative phase, kind of like the decades of music before the fifties with rock n roll, and its demand, and eventually it will be “settled” enough before really competent singers can captivate audiences over it, and really competent producers will chop bits from each era to a captivating palette. It really works and meshes in workout playlists, or “cool riff” playlists, but this compared to the pop songs that have lasted decades is more like a “musical excursion”. Trap is in parallel, going through the same thing, with more “AB beats and throwing a bone for the dogs so it stands out in a playlist” but much less truly ballsy stuff (if I may say, a Stairway to Heaven) and once it does all its permutations on this prenatal phase, it will be ready to come out as this relic that is truly ready to fill stadiums. Otherwise, it would be sacrificing everything for Spotify Pennie’s, instead of just fitting in with the mosh of sounds that music labels, their venues and festivals, expect.
Popular music rotation goes in a cycle of : Rock---> Pop---> Metal(core)---> Rap/R+B, then repeats again, depending on how sick and saturated we get of the previous genre.
3:30 I'd say that I have to agree, apart from one example: The River by Wage War. That song is essentially non-stop breakdowns with a few interstitial bits between here and there, but I would still say that the breakdowns hit hard and it's great overall
Holy fuck emmure is like so fucking good dude. I swear to fuck I never ever fan girl ever. But I saw franki walking past me at warped tour and I literally ahit myself....
Honestly, I think metal and hardcore is in a much better place now Id argue its doing better then rap because of how much they have been struggling recently and dont get me started on how much No Jumper fell apart.
It's about accessibility people who listen to heavy metal should be introducing people they know who haven't really heard heavy metal to the accessible stuff such as Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Powerwolf, Sabaton, Sleep Token, Creeper ect.
@@luke5100that isn't how language works? cuz i'm pretty sure music genres describe *how music sounds* ... and describing something as such in a way to describe something as rebellious (which is a otherwise trivial attribute that the genre was traditionally known for) is not necessarily correct when in the context of name-dropping a music genre. Not seeing how it not being the 70s has anything to do with that either
02:15 if it was easy, everyone would do it. Playing "in the pocket" in any genre (but especially the more extreme kinds of metal/hardcore) requires *hours* of practice. Daily.
@luke5100 I completely agree that the average music listener doesn't go into too much depth about how the sausage is made. I also agree that plenty of metal bands write catchy riffs. But in this case, I was speaking specifically about Finn's comment remark about musicianship and the user comment that breakdowns were "easy." 🙏
None of them will ever admit it, but there are a lot of Death Metal fans walking around that got into metal because of Slipknot. I remember hearing people back in the day talk about how their fans were little bitches, and how much the band sucked. When I got around to listening to them I was blown away. Just the visual aspect was more creative than almost anything in death metal at the time. The music wasn't very complex but it didn't really need to be because of the energy that it had. I once described a Slipknot show as, "Slayer playing a gig while 10,000 screaming chimpanzees were shitting into their hands and slinging it at the crowd." Here is a challenge to anyone who don't think they are really metal. Go find me an album that is sonically heavier than Iowa. Don't worry I'll wait...
Any time a rock performer does anything to be different or have a unique stage presence, they get laughed at. Reguardless of the quality of their music. Just look at Ghost
I am the same age as you and growing up rock fans (for the most part) were constantly hating on the music they love. The whole "Oh there haven't been any good bands since Zepplin" sentiment or "that band sold out because they have a softer sound or signed to that label" dumb shit like that, really didn't work out well for the world of rock 'n' roll. Whereas something like rap was the complete opposite. A new, popular rap song would be considered "old" or uncool a year after its release forcing rap artists to test new ideas, keeping the genre fresh and attracting new fans like, white teenage girls, which in previous videos you mention teen girls in general decide what is cool. I mean, if you think about it the majority of people who call Metallica sellouts for making the Black Album were born in the late 80s and into the 90s. That kind of sentiment is not good for the genre when you consider those same people likely have a thousand dumb opinions on everything music. Rock is dead, the fans are the culprits, and now we just get the Foo Fighters corporate rock factory.
1:27 to be fair the 0s jokes about emmure were from a time when Joshua Travis wasn't in the band. Not to take away from the those old albums but Josh is clearly a step above any previous guitarist they've ever had
I agree with AVA being good, and stand out on their own, even if it feels a bit repetitive and not groundbreaking, but they have been around quite some time. Some Blink is just outstanding and mold-maker
Was never a breakdown guy until recently….people criticize the chug, but what makes chugs a challenge to write, is understanding which pattern is necessary for what you are going for and how mixed the pattern is, is it an 8 bar pattern, 4 bar pattern, does it have variations? Where should the space be put, how much space, the list goes one Does it vibe like an angry march, does it give a war drum vibe, or a swingy drive? Does it make you feel primal? Maybe the song calls for getting in your most caveman stance and make minor repetitive movements. Breakdowns can be easy to learn and play, but it takes more thought to understand its meaning, and what it can do to the vibe…..I feel like chug stuff is especially good for vocally driven music, that lays the landscape for storytelling without taking too much attention away from the message….similar to rap. Of course there is so much more to think about, writing a good breakdown is like writing a good pop song, it should be easy, theoretically, but indeed there is nothing easy about it, and if it is easy, then you must have put in the work that or your the Bruno mars of breakdowns
I've seen way too many young UA-camrs enjoying metal to believe Metal will never be popular again. You probably should've changed the title to “Metal will NEVER be popular in my lifetime.”
I would have no issue with metal never being popular again. Metal has been the worst when it's been the most popular. For example: glam/hair metal, nu metal, metalcore and now deathcore (sort of popular).
“The nail the sticks up get hammered down” in Australia we call this “tall poppy syndrome”-the tallest poppy gets cut down to the same size as the majority in the field….
Personally i think that the "Hair Metal" era, roughly '81 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. The "Hair" metal era 80's/early 90's was the golden age of metal.
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 Metal's glory years were 1980-1992, I think, and there were a lot of great Bands from that era, including Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, Cinderella, G n R, Skid Row, Poison, Warrant, Winger, W.A.S.P,Slaughter and, of course, Metallica. I'm a big fan of those years in Metal. 80's/early 90's were golden age of metal? There were a ton of good metal bands in the 80's/early 90's. Abundance of bands were releasing almost consistently awesome albums. The 80's/early 90's was the best time for metal because it was everywhere, the age was metal. Stadium tours, albums in the charts, the era of high sales, magazines, fan clubs. So many amazing underground bands were still out there. G n R, Maiden, Motley Crue, Poison, Dio and Ozzy were kings!.
around 2014 everything felt very corporate controlled, aiming for what is popular, so i checked out of new metal music. it sucks too because i don't really like any other style of music. I think the only new albums ive listened to since then are the gojira albums and even they have gotten a little weird now.
Metal has always been outside music for outside people. Metal and metal heads have never been popular culture, that's the point. I was there in the 80's and 90's at it's most popular and it wasn't popular. FTW my brother, keep up the great videos. 🤟❤️🇨🇦
I've been drumming for 25 years and producing electronic music for 15 years and I can confirm that learning to use a DAW is waaaaaay more difficult because you have to learn 2 distinct skillsets, the music theory/composition/arrangement side of things that go into writing good music and then also the more technical aspects of sound design/synthesis, mixing and mastering When you're making tracks in Ableton (or your DAW of choice) you're not just a single musician, you're the whole band, their producer and their sound engineer all rolled into one In comparison learning an instrument is child's play
When I was growing up, I was most definitely one of those cringe kids that believed everything not Metal or Rock music was trash. I always hated on auto-tune, put down electronic music saying the typical "pressing a button doesn't take talent" or the even worse "talking fast is not music"; it wasn't until I realized how truly difficult it is to manage being in a band, or even having the money for the equipment, that I turned to DAWs and started making my music digitally and on my own. You don't realize just how difficult it is until you actually try to seriously make music this way. I've been writing for close to ten years, and while I am very good at what I do now, I still don't know how to accomplish a lot of things digitally and find myself scratching my head often. My guitar on the other hand, I've mastered practically and I think is actually a lot easier to play than for you to imagine riffs and try to create them with plug-ins and synths. It's way harder than you think, and that's why I have a new found respect for really any type of music. It all takes talent, and it's all art and should be respected.
I appreciate you mentioning FIR in a video where you talk about how stupid breakdowns can be, especially when they have no purpose. Falling In Reverse have a (terrible) song that I give a pass for the simple fact it makes fun of that point. There’s a song called “Get me out” that Is just obnoxious but safe pop punk with cringey lyrics when suddenly the music drops out and all you hear is Ronnie chuckling for no reason followed by a huge breakdown that is not warranted by the song at all. Like a self - own “I know this is stupid and I’m going to laugh at it in my own song” The song sucks. I love it
Wait... is something good based on how difficult it is to play? Sounds more like a musician judging another musician rather than the actual listener enjoying music.
You'd be surprised at how much listeners with zero music experience act like they know so much about music and will critique what they listen to based on how many pentatonic scales the guitarist can play
In Fort Wayne, Indiana, there was almost a "Harry Baals Government Center", named after the town's former mayor Harry Baals. The people voted yes but they vetoed it. Fml This is also the same state that once housed the infamous "Butt Drugs" pharmacy
I also have to agree with the fact learning a DAW to the means of making interesting sounding electronic music has always felt very fucking hard in comparison to playing actual instruments. Maybe not at the stage where you are satisfied with your amateurish Nexus preset music (made a lot of dnb & trance tracks as a kid like this) which is just midi map painting, but when you get to actually programming non-plastic sounding synths and doing your own sound design it's a completely different world, you almost have to approach it like an engineer. I never got as good there. Playing instruments, all the dynamics are simply in your fingers & muscle memory, which is a satisfying process that just comes along when you play.
I'm 52. Metal has been dying since I was 11. Anyone around my age who claims it's dying or dead is an idiot. Anyone younger claiming that must hate history.
People were saying metal was dead, and then boom, Slipknot. It isnt about marketing or musical ability. A band will put into words and sounds the frustration and anger young people are feeling right now, and they will be huge.
I live in sweden and I gotta say that metal isn't THAT big here. Sure, it's bigger here than in many other places but not to the point that everybody knows metal bands. Like more than half of my class didn't know who Linkin Park was and I was close to lose my shit The majority of metalheads here likes cheesy power metal or just really old stuff like deep purple and motörhead
I dunno if the argument is that breakdowns "are easy" as much as it is that they "are easier than other playing styles in metal". at least, that's the argument to me. relatively, almost every breakdown I've ever heard is definitely easier to play than a lot of fast-paced death metal riffs. if the standard is that both have to be played really tightly, I'll take that part in that Emmure song or most breakdowns over the opening riff to Legion of the Serpent by The Faceless or even the opening riff to Hammer Smashed Face. jumping from string to string playing 32nd notes at that speed fuggs me up. I can even play Bleed more tightly than the riffs I mentioned. I'm not necessarily saying I can play any of these things well, the breakdowns are just easier for me than the death metal riffs. If you compare these breakdowns to something like Master of Puppets, sure, I could see the argument that they are equally difficult or even more difficult than that song. To Dyer's Eve? Doubtful. Much of this is based on my own strengths on weaknesses on the instrument so perhaps it differs for others, I dunno. Thing is, being "easy to play" is not a bad thing. I'm not making this argument to say breakdowns are bad or anything. "Easy to play" =/= bad, unless you wanna sit here and tell me that Moonlight Sonata is a bad piano piece or that the main "Rohan theme" from the Lord of the Rings sucks because the violin being played is not hard compared to some other pieces. anybody saying breakdowns suck because they are relatively easy to play is probably not being intellectually honest. they probably dislike them for other reasons.
I used to think that making beats is super easy and instruments are way harder.. but then i looked how different iconic beats were made and it’s mind blowing
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Personally i think that the "Hair Metal" era, roughly '81 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. The "Hair" metal era 80's/early 90's was the golden age of metal.
Japanese Joinery... nails are for apes, not humans.
Cut a rug...🔥🫵🔥 that was great, Finn🤘🤣🥀💪
I loved that Dream Thratre album bc we told ourselves it was more impressive Queensryche. I listened every night for a yr and havent been able to hear it since. Ryche. SONGS. Theatre. WANKOFF and too much gloss.
"Imagine the sound of no bitches. That's was Dream Theater sounds like."
That almost killed me.
Sounds peaceful tho
Also The Sound Of Tool
It's prog though 😂 Could say the same thing about jazz.
I don´t know about the rest of the world. There´s one thing that pisses me off about the Metal scene here in Germany. Whenever a new band comes along and gets a little more attention by the media, the fans are pissed off and complain about the media hype. It´s like Metal bands are only allowed to be successful if they were successful in 1987.
Accurate
It's like that in America. Metal feels like the only genre where the fans punish you for being successful and not playing some crap 100 person capacity club
“Imagine the sound of no bitches.” This needs to be made into a meme.
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When everything is heavy, nothing is.
Fucking facts! I'm hella bored with my Spotify playlist cuz everything new sounds the same
I always thought the indicator of a dying genre is that people talk about it as something that needs to be "resurrected", "passed on to new generations" or whatever. Because this sort of talk indicates that a genre is not edgy and cool anymore and has to be kept alive artificially. A genre has to come naturally to feel like it's not just a fossil
Totally agree and ppl kill it further by acting like this
As a ear trained musician and producer i would definitely say learning FL took me just as long as learning a new instrument
"Anyone who doesn't like breakdowns is not welcome in America."
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im 197 years old and i've shown my 3 grandkids a lot of rock songs,and they love it! What do you mean rock is dying? It has never been so alive!
Never ever ever stop adding in the clip of Andy saying “here’s the thing”
I’m a huge BVB fan, I have their logo tattooed on my chest, and I find it hilarious as shit 😂😂😂
Super corny
I hate BVB and I love that clip.
I'm sure Andy Black appreciates the humor as well 😂
Weird... I have a tattoo of you getting a BVB tattoo, on MY chest 🤷🏻♂️
@@kthulhukif 😂😂😂
I think it's just cool to say, "metal or rock is dead" but
I've been hearing since the late 80's that metal/rock is dead but yet it's still around and gaining new & younger auidences all the time.
Yeah it is just people who are bitter than rock isn't the major thing anymore.
I fully agree, Extreme metal bands regularly pack the venues in the city I live in. Rock is dead, but Metal is alive and well.
@@LicoriceLainTo those who were around back then, not being the major thing anymore is what dying means.
I just wanted to say I love every use of that "here's the thing" clip, I get a kick out of it every time
Only someone that has zero appreciation for the production side can say learning a DAW is easier than an instrument... Even just the mixing aspect is as intricate as learning an instrument. And then you've also got to have at least the basics of all the instruments you incorporate. There's legendary producers in rock and metal for a reason.
I spent years using ableton and I swear I still don’t know what’s going on
DAWs are instruments just like shrimps is bugs
Yeah, i can say that learning an instrument probably takes a thousand times longer to learn but maybe he meant _mastering_ an instrument.
I’m a guitarist who just picked up Ableton a few months ago and I can attest that it’s just as hard as learning an instrument. To master it would take many hundreds of hours. I’m probably 100 hours in and I’d still call myself a beginner.
@@joshpark1 same, I've played guitar on and off for years- picked up ableton this year and felt like a total dumbdumb. I got some okay things but there's so much to even get that stuff to acceptably listenable.
It’s funny to see people getting butthurt when they’re preferred Music gets criticized as if it’s somehow sacrosanct and immune from all criticism.
It's not important to be popular, it's important to be true and real... And amazing! 😊
just here to say i love that little chuckle you do sometimes when you say something funny
Going to church when I was a kid, there was a man named Dick Harden who would give sermons. You could see people trying not to snicker when they announced his name. Why he didn’t at least go by Richard… I have no idea.
idk why these nerds only ever seem to think like the USA is the only country in the world. Like sure metal will never be popular again in the USA (it never was really all that popular in the US to begin with, the US is more of the country of popstars), but I can tell you that I was just in Sweden a few years ago and literal random people in the mall were coming up to me and my friends to talk about black metal and showing me their autographed memorabilia like "look I have this book signed by Nattramn from Silencer!".
my advice: if you want to be in a place where metal is more of a cultural "accepted" thing i'd say just move to europe. theres nothing wrong with that but im fine with being in the US where Playboi Carti is my current favorite rapper (and i cant wait to see him on my birthday)
Thats cool but sweden is a tiny country so it doesnt move the needle
Just to be clear when i said "nerds" i wasn't talking about you. it was that guy you showed on screen (people like him)
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147you're not wrong. sweden's music scene literally changed heavy music in every genre forever (and that's not even getting into the djent discussion)
You know, when grunge was big in the early nineties, everyone said metal was dead. Well it wasn't, it was maybe less popular than in the eighties, but underground there was great stuff being made. And I consider the nineties still the best and exciting decade for metal.
This. Saying that Metal died in the 90s is complete revisionist history when that decade had Groove Metal, Industrial Metal, Gothic Metal, Black Metal, Melodic Death Metal and yes even Nu Metal. The only subgenre that fell off was Hair Metal
Ironically enough, most of the hair metal bands grunge supposedly "killed" are still around and are incredibly popular..
The thing that's hindering rock and metal from being as popular as it was years ago isn't "black culture"; it's Nostalgia. Every new band's first output is measured against the greatest albums from the Greats of 30, 40, even 50 years ago, along with all the context behind the greats telling us how great they were for the last however many years. Nostalgia culture has eaten nearly all the radio space, most of the print space, and at least half the other channels by which "mainstream" people can discover stuff. That lost space for new rock and metal disadvantages it against everything else.
Yep
I go to Dream Theater shows solely to pick up chicks.
I fail every single time but I become so mesmerized by John Petrucci's solos that I forget to even care anymore.
God that's gross.
Chicks go to their shows?
@@fatefatefatethey go everywhere just some places have more of them than others
Fin is the best....I've gained so much knowledge from him and now listen to so much music I never knew about .....
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I’ve played drums and bass in bands, and I DJed and produced for a long time. DAWs are not easier than learning an instrument, by a long shot. Consider that MIDI controllers exist, you still have to know how to play piano to use a MIDI keyboard. That’s literally learning one instrument right there, and that’s without getting into sound design: understanding waveforms, oscillation, compression, and a whole slew of other effects. It’s extremely difficult - I’d say even impossible without copious amounts of dumb luck - to create the specific noise you have in your head if you don’t understand every little minute detail of your DAW and VSTs.
I always laugh when people try to say it doesn’t take any skill, I’ll straight argue it takes _possibly_ more, but definitey a _wider range_ of skills. *IF* you’re doing to right. Some people just cut and paste a generic loop and paint a melody over it: that’s garbage, but properly produced music is definitely difficult to make.
I think people are confusing ‘sequencing a drum pattern, dropping some samples in an audio track and mastering with ozone’ with learning how to DAW.
It's funny, I think metal as a whole is better now than it ever has been. Lots of great bands, but I fall down massive rabbit holes and find great albums from bands with like 250 followers on Spotify.
Metal's glory years were 1980-1992, I think, and there were a lot of great Bands from that era, including Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, Cinderella, G n R, Skid Row, Poison, Warrant, Winger, W.A.S.P,Slaughter and, of course, Metallica. I'm a big fan of those years in Metal. 80's/early 90's were golden age of metal? There were a ton of good metal bands in the 80's/early 90's. Abundance of bands were releasing almost consistently awesome albums. The 80's/early 90's was the best time for metal because it was everywhere, the age was metal. Stadium tours, albums in the charts, the era of high sales, magazines, fan clubs. So many amazing underground bands were still out there. G n R, Maiden, Motley Crue, Poison, Dio and Ozzy were kings!.
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 there are hundreds of thousands of bands out there and you just want to be salty.
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 those are great and legendary bands my friend and bands that I have been listening to since they debuted. If you like those bands you should check out these newer bands:
Horrendous
Tomb Mold
Sweven
Morbus Chron(they have disbanded but still check them out)
200 Stab Wounds
Speedwhore
Undergang
And so many more good modern death metal bands.
100% wrong. I can't find any good bands anymore, you really have to dig deep just to find a band that's listenable now, Basically any band that came out after 2016 most likely sucks
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147i bet you have at least 45 years, yet so immature to have such a close minded taste. What happens if I tell you there are more and BETTER metal subgenres than Old School Thrash/Death. Such a boomer
If metal is being represented by the 4 bands in the thumbnail for this video than metal is already dead.
Bring back the thunder of 80s metal and it'll come back to life.
great way to start the day
Metal guys: "this song is easy to play, therefore it sucks"
Normal people: "this song sounds good and/or makes me feel something, therefore I like it"
It’s just the gatekeepers that ruin everything imo
Become one yourself, then you make the decisions.
Just what I thought to and then I see someone who commented the same thing lol
I keep reading this "gatekeeping" argument. What gatekeeping?!? For quite some time now it is cosidered "cool" to be super eclectic in the metal fandom. We're not in the 80s anymore, where guys would literally rip your t-shit off if you didn't know the name of the demos.
Metal is done because a genre/sub-culture can only last so far. Both metal and punk died a long time ago, only people forgot to bury it.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 If metal is dead then why are all the shows I go to sold out and packed?
@@sole__doubt When he talked about metal being “dead“ he means from a mainstream/pop culture standpoint. 20 years ago you would go into a high school or college(the youth runs pop culture) many kids were fans of bands like Linkin Park, Slipknot, KoRn, etc. Nowadays the youth are into rappers, EDM artists, country artists, hell even streamers and other social media influencers. Metal bands don’t have the grasp on the youth like they used to.
It’s great that metal festivals can still sell out with a big crowd with headlining bands from 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. But we’re talking about from more of a modern pop culture standpoint
Finn never beating the poser claims by not knowing how to spell "dick"
I’ve always described dream theater as “they’re good musically but I’ll never listen to them”
@@luke5100 you do you man, a little rush never hurt anyone.
Pretty sure the "pissing off the establishment" comment was mostly referencing the fact that she started rerecording her old shit to stick it to her former label after she lost her masters.
I thought they were referring to the voting thing
If you don't have a good right hand technique,any metal can be hard.
Watching this after just finishing drum programming on Ableton haha.
I don’t think there’s any genre with more bands than metal it’s the most popular it’s ever been
I cut my teeth on Bands like SlipKnoT and System Of A Down as a young teen and Death Metal is where its at for me now and I Think the SlipKnot take is spot on. Their first 3 albums were them at their peak and everything afterwords never came close. save for the odd banger here and there like Dead Memories, Snuff, Psychosocial, Sulfur, Unsainted and Devil In I.
First *2
SlipKnoT
Their first two albums are peak slipknot, vol 3 was different but I still liked it a lot, AHIG had some bangers like gematria and title track imo and the newer stuff is fine but just doesn't hit the same for me
This video is finn hitting every trending music topic from the last few months ask in one video. You're a genius, Finn. Lol
Good metal will never die. The vocals really kill dream theater
Always new to the hardcore scene (if that doesn’t make sense, think of how people list dozens of different bands as “oh you like metal, of course you know ‘ameer’”and get pissed off when you ask them to spell it.
Metal is in a new, formative phase, kind of like the decades of music before the fifties with rock n roll, and its demand, and eventually it will be “settled” enough before really competent singers can captivate audiences over it, and really competent producers will chop bits from each era to a captivating palette.
It really works and meshes in workout playlists, or “cool riff” playlists, but this compared to the pop songs that have lasted decades is more like a “musical excursion”. Trap is in parallel, going through the same thing, with more “AB beats and throwing a bone for the dogs so it stands out in a playlist” but much less truly ballsy stuff (if I may say, a Stairway to Heaven) and once it does all its permutations on this prenatal phase, it will be ready to come out as this relic that is truly ready to fill stadiums.
Otherwise, it would be sacrificing everything for Spotify Pennie’s, instead of just fitting in with the mosh of sounds that music labels, their venues and festivals, expect.
I enjoy this channel much more than the Punk Rock MBA. there's my hot take!
It’s much better!
I noticed in my 49 years , scenes come and go and a band becomes more popular and makes more money when they come back for a reunion or a comeback.
Popular music rotation goes in a cycle of : Rock---> Pop---> Metal(core)---> Rap/R+B, then repeats again, depending on how sick and saturated we get of the previous genre.
I think of brake-downs like insults: if you can be creative then I respect it
3:30 I'd say that I have to agree, apart from one example: The River by Wage War. That song is essentially non-stop breakdowns with a few interstitial bits between here and there, but I would still say that the breakdowns hit hard and it's great overall
Holy fuck emmure is like so fucking good dude. I swear to fuck I never ever fan girl ever. But I saw franki walking past me at warped tour and I literally ahit myself....
You gotta get on the Psychosocial/Bieber "Baby" mashup. 🥰
Honestly, I think metal and hardcore is in a much better place now
Id argue its doing better then rap because of how much they have been struggling recently and dont get me started on how much No Jumper fell apart.
It's about accessibility people who listen to heavy metal should be introducing people they know who haven't really heard heavy metal to the accessible stuff such as Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Powerwolf, Sabaton, Sleep Token, Creeper ect.
The outro for Wait and Bleed still has one of the best groves to this day.
People need to stop referring to things as “Punk Rock” when they mean “rebellious” or “anti-establishment. Punk Rock is Punk Rock. Nuff Said.
Great way to put it
@@luke5100that isn't how language works? cuz i'm pretty sure music genres describe *how music sounds* ... and describing something as such in a way to describe something as rebellious (which is a otherwise trivial attribute that the genre was traditionally known for) is not necessarily correct when in the context of name-dropping a music genre. Not seeing how it not being the 70s has anything to do with that either
I went to school with a guy whose last name is Glasscock. Somehow he didn’t get bullied
I went to school with a guy who last name was McNut. at the time i thought it was funny but now that name holds very very dark correlations (ifykyk)
I've seen too many TikTok videos of (young) rock fans complaining that Olivia Rodrigo is called rock and was nominated for rock category of Grammy
Anyone who claims they love listening to metal but quick to dismiss a metal band who they don't like listening to isn't a metal head. Period.
02:15 if it was easy, everyone would do it. Playing "in the pocket" in any genre (but especially the more extreme kinds of metal/hardcore) requires *hours* of practice. Daily.
@luke5100 I completely agree that the average music listener doesn't go into too much depth about how the sausage is made. I also agree that plenty of metal bands write catchy riffs.
But in this case, I was speaking specifically about Finn's comment remark about musicianship and the user comment that breakdowns were "easy." 🙏
I love getting these vids in the morning, so I can watch them before work. Thanks Finn! 🙏
None of them will ever admit it, but there are a lot of Death Metal fans walking around that got into metal because of Slipknot. I remember hearing people back in the day talk about how their fans were little bitches, and how much the band sucked. When I got around to listening to them I was blown away. Just the visual aspect was more creative than almost anything in death metal at the time. The music wasn't very complex but it didn't really need to be because of the energy that it had. I once described a Slipknot show as, "Slayer playing a gig while 10,000 screaming chimpanzees were shitting into their hands and slinging it at the crowd." Here is a challenge to anyone who don't think they are really metal. Go find me an album that is sonically heavier than Iowa. Don't worry I'll wait...
Chugga chugga, weedley weedley
Best description ever
Any time a rock performer does anything to be different or have a unique stage presence, they get laughed at. Reguardless of the quality of their music. Just look at Ghost
Or Ill Niño
I am the same age as you and growing up rock fans (for the most part) were constantly hating on the music they love. The whole "Oh there haven't been any good bands since Zepplin" sentiment or "that band sold out because they have a softer sound or signed to that label" dumb shit like that, really didn't work out well for the world of rock 'n' roll. Whereas something like rap was the complete opposite. A new, popular rap song would be considered "old" or uncool a year after its release forcing rap artists to test new ideas, keeping the genre fresh and attracting new fans like, white teenage girls, which in previous videos you mention teen girls in general decide what is cool. I mean, if you think about it the majority of people who call Metallica sellouts for making the Black Album were born in the late 80s and into the 90s. That kind of sentiment is not good for the genre when you consider those same people likely have a thousand dumb opinions on everything music. Rock is dead, the fans are the culprits, and now we just get the Foo Fighters corporate rock factory.
i think the best breakdown build up ive ever heard was ERAA- nigh to silence. holy shit that build is bananas.
1:27 to be fair the 0s jokes about emmure were from a time when Joshua Travis wasn't in the band. Not to take away from the those old albums but Josh is clearly a step above any previous guitarist they've ever had
I agree with AVA being good, and stand out on their own, even if it feels a bit repetitive and not groundbreaking, but they have been around quite some time. Some Blink is just outstanding and mold-maker
Reddit and Instagram comments are often so stupid / strange that it hurts my head. Saw a thread where they were gatekeeping a city. Wild times.
Was never a breakdown guy until recently….people criticize the chug, but what makes chugs a challenge to write, is understanding which pattern is necessary for what you are going for and how mixed the pattern is, is it an 8 bar pattern, 4 bar pattern, does it have variations? Where should the space be put, how much space, the list goes one Does it vibe like an angry march, does it give a war drum vibe, or a swingy drive? Does it make you feel primal? Maybe the song calls for getting in your most caveman stance and make minor repetitive movements. Breakdowns can be easy to learn and play, but it takes more thought to understand its meaning, and what it can do to the vibe…..I feel like chug stuff is especially good for vocally driven music, that lays the landscape for storytelling without taking too much attention away from the message….similar to rap. Of course there is so much more to think about, writing a good breakdown is like writing a good pop song, it should be easy, theoretically, but indeed there is nothing easy about it, and if it is easy, then you must have put in the work that or your the Bruno mars of breakdowns
It's popular in Houston. After covid. Metal concerts started getting packed out.
I've seen way too many young UA-camrs enjoying metal to believe Metal will never be popular again. You probably should've changed the title to “Metal will NEVER be popular in my lifetime.”
I would have no issue with metal never being popular again. Metal has been the worst when it's been the most popular. For example: glam/hair metal, nu metal, metalcore and now deathcore (sort of popular).
“The nail the sticks up get hammered down” in Australia we call this “tall poppy syndrome”-the tallest poppy gets cut down to the same size as the majority in the field….
LIFE OF AGONY..RIVER RUNS RED.
LISTEN TO THAT SHIT ..
One of my all time favorites.
Personally i think that the "Hair Metal" era, roughly '81 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. The "Hair" metal era 80's/early 90's was the golden age of metal.
@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 Metal's glory years were 1980-1992, I think, and there were a lot of great Bands from that era, including Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Ratt, Dokken, Megadeth, Cinderella, G n R, Skid Row, Poison, Warrant, Winger, W.A.S.P,Slaughter and, of course, Metallica. I'm a big fan of those years in Metal. 80's/early 90's were golden age of metal? There were a ton of good metal bands in the 80's/early 90's. Abundance of bands were releasing almost consistently awesome albums. The 80's/early 90's was the best time for metal because it was everywhere, the age was metal. Stadium tours, albums in the charts, the era of high sales, magazines, fan clubs. So many amazing underground bands were still out there. G n R, Maiden, Motley Crue, Poison, Dio and Ozzy were kings!.
it's like with horror movies, they don't know what to do anymore.
around 2014 everything felt very corporate controlled, aiming for what is popular, so i checked out of new metal music. it sucks too because i don't really like any other style of music. I think the only new albums ive listened to since then are the gojira albums and even they have gotten a little weird now.
Metal has always been outside music for outside people. Metal and metal heads have never been popular culture, that's the point. I was there in the 80's and 90's at it's most popular and it wasn't popular. FTW my brother, keep up the great videos.
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I quit playing in bands because I was sick and tired of dealing with other people
Basically what every emo rapper who came up on soundcloud in 2017 said
@@SuffocateMe i quit music altogether*
I wasnt clowning you, i was just saying others agree
There’s beauty in the breakdown.
I've been drumming for 25 years and producing electronic music for 15 years and I can confirm that learning to use a DAW is waaaaaay more difficult because you have to learn 2 distinct skillsets, the music theory/composition/arrangement side of things that go into writing good music and then also the more technical aspects of sound design/synthesis, mixing and mastering
When you're making tracks in Ableton (or your DAW of choice) you're not just a single musician, you're the whole band, their producer and their sound engineer all rolled into one
In comparison learning an instrument is child's play
Finnnnnnnn "Like dance dance ya know, cut a rug" *does a little dance* that was adorable haha
When I was growing up, I was most definitely one of those cringe kids that believed everything not Metal or Rock music was trash. I always hated on auto-tune, put down electronic music saying the typical "pressing a button doesn't take talent" or the even worse "talking fast is not music"; it wasn't until I realized how truly difficult it is to manage being in a band, or even having the money for the equipment, that I turned to DAWs and started making my music digitally and on my own. You don't realize just how difficult it is until you actually try to seriously make music this way. I've been writing for close to ten years, and while I am very good at what I do now, I still don't know how to accomplish a lot of things digitally and find myself scratching my head often. My guitar on the other hand, I've mastered practically and I think is actually a lot easier to play than for you to imagine riffs and try to create them with plug-ins and synths. It's way harder than you think, and that's why I have a new found respect for really any type of music. It all takes talent, and it's all art and should be respected.
I appreciate you mentioning FIR in a video where you talk about how stupid breakdowns can be, especially when they have no purpose.
Falling In Reverse have a (terrible) song that I give a pass for the simple fact it makes fun of that point.
There’s a song called “Get me out” that Is just obnoxious but safe pop punk with cringey lyrics when suddenly the music drops out and all you hear is Ronnie chuckling for no reason followed by a huge breakdown that is not warranted by the song at all.
Like a self - own “I know this is stupid and I’m going to laugh at it in my own song”
The song sucks. I love it
"Some people say I'm a contrarian and that's not true"
Whats the band from the thumbnail with the red/white mask?
Honestly I never cared what's popular. I still listen to Agnostic Front and wear Madball shirts. Among other stuff of course.
I love Finn having speech about rock and relevant, while Fred Durst was behind him all the time
Wait... is something good based on how difficult it is to play? Sounds more like a musician judging another musician rather than the actual listener enjoying music.
You'd be surprised at how much listeners with zero music experience act like they know so much about music and will critique what they listen to based on how many pentatonic scales the guitarist can play
6'4" here!!!
In Fort Wayne, Indiana, there was almost a "Harry Baals Government Center", named after the town's former mayor Harry Baals. The people voted yes but they vetoed it. Fml
This is also the same state that once housed the infamous "Butt Drugs" pharmacy
I also have to agree with the fact learning a DAW to the means of making interesting sounding electronic music has always felt very fucking hard in comparison to playing actual instruments. Maybe not at the stage where you are satisfied with your amateurish Nexus preset music (made a lot of dnb & trance tracks as a kid like this) which is just midi map painting, but when you get to actually programming non-plastic sounding synths and doing your own sound design it's a completely different world, you almost have to approach it like an engineer. I never got as good there. Playing instruments, all the dynamics are simply in your fingers & muscle memory, which is a satisfying process that just comes along when you play.
am I tall if I'm 6'2" with long arms/used to be able to dunk a basketball on occasion? asking for a friend.
As a millennial,
Emo industrial complex is 100% a thing
Great video again brother!💯
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I'm 52. Metal has been dying since I was 11. Anyone around my age who claims it's dying or dead is an idiot. Anyone younger claiming that must hate history.
If dream theater would get Devon Townsend to do the vocals, it would make WAY BETTER!!! James lebrie needs to retire.
@04:12 HELL YEAH BROTHER I'LL HELP EM PACK!
Breakdowns are to todays Metal as long winded drum outros were to stadium rock bands in the 70s and 80s: they’re contrived and overdone.
To prove breakdowns aren't all easy to play, Finn picks an objectively easy breakdown to play. 😂
Record yourself playing it and get back to us!
People were saying metal was dead, and then boom, Slipknot. It isnt about marketing or musical ability. A band will put into words and sounds the frustration and anger young people are feeling right now, and they will be huge.
Finn ur dope, don't listen to the haters. Wish we could hang out and I could ask u a billion questions about music haha
Metal is really popular in Europe, especially Scandinavia.
Scandinavia loves the cheesier side too!
@@MxLee192 I wasn’t really comparing them stylistically, just stating a fact. Take it as you will.
I live in sweden and I gotta say that metal isn't THAT big here. Sure, it's bigger here than in many other places but not to the point that everybody knows metal bands. Like more than half of my class didn't know who Linkin Park was and I was close to lose my shit
The majority of metalheads here likes cheesy power metal or just really old stuff like deep purple and motörhead
I dunno if the argument is that breakdowns "are easy" as much as it is that they "are easier than other playing styles in metal". at least, that's the argument to me. relatively, almost every breakdown I've ever heard is definitely easier to play than a lot of fast-paced death metal riffs. if the standard is that both have to be played really tightly, I'll take that part in that Emmure song or most breakdowns over the opening riff to Legion of the Serpent by The Faceless or even the opening riff to Hammer Smashed Face. jumping from string to string playing 32nd notes at that speed fuggs me up. I can even play Bleed more tightly than the riffs I mentioned. I'm not necessarily saying I can play any of these things well, the breakdowns are just easier for me than the death metal riffs. If you compare these breakdowns to something like Master of Puppets, sure, I could see the argument that they are equally difficult or even more difficult than that song. To Dyer's Eve? Doubtful. Much of this is based on my own strengths on weaknesses on the instrument so perhaps it differs for others, I dunno.
Thing is, being "easy to play" is not a bad thing. I'm not making this argument to say breakdowns are bad or anything. "Easy to play" =/= bad, unless you wanna sit here and tell me that Moonlight Sonata is a bad piano piece or that the main "Rohan theme" from the Lord of the Rings sucks because the violin being played is not hard compared to some other pieces. anybody saying breakdowns suck because they are relatively easy to play is probably not being intellectually honest. they probably dislike them for other reasons.
I used to think that making beats is super easy and instruments are way harder.. but then i looked how different iconic beats were made and it’s mind blowing