FIRST REACTION to WINTERSUN (Sons Of Winter And Stars) 🥁🔥🥁
Вставка
- Опубліковано 19 січ 2025
- This was intense!!! Kai doing the damn thing on the drums!!! Reacting to Wintersun with Sons Of Winter And Stars was exhausting but fantastic. I want more!!!
DISCORD SERVER LINK: / discord
Any suggestions, leave 'em in the comments or hit me up on
Instagram: / chasecarneson
Twitter: / chasecarneson
Merch Link: www.youtube.co...
Best!!!
Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favour of fair use. No copyright infringement intended. ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO THEIR RESPECTIVE OWNERS
![ROADIE REACTIONS | "Wintersun - Sons of Winter and Stars (Studio)" | [FIRST TIME EVER LISTENING!]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9xzIwcQa6H0/mqdefault.jpg)
![ROADIE REACTIONS | "Wintersun - Sons of Winter and Stars (Studio)" | [FIRST TIME EVER LISTENING!]](/img/tr.png)
Chase: "Stop being so good"
Kai: "...nope..." continues for ten more minutes
I know right!!!!
@@ChaseCarneson Tank the Tech Collab when?!?!?!?! So hyped for it. Aslo, check out the family metal band Liliac. Shades of Ronnie James Dio
And then for the full 60-90 minute gig.. Saw them on Tuska 2013 ;)
@@ChaseCarneson Older reaction ...
Kai Hahto educates drummers in Vasaa , Finland , specially in ergonomics of drumming , both private lessons and in music conservatory .
Licks and Tricks with Kai Hahto ua-cam.com/video/BGMbHHgga18/v-deo.html 8 min 30 sec , he shows few "slow" drum parts of this song .
Jari Mäenpää , lead vocalist , picked Kai Hahto to drums , when he him self cant play drums as well that was needed .
Metronome+Octopus+Machine gun+Atomic clock= Kai Hahto
Drummers use metronomes. Metronomes use Kai now that Neil Peart is gone.
YES DUDE! Finally I can watch a new video because I've already seen it! Haha. Hope you dig this as much as I did! 🤘
Hey, you'll be there!!! My two Dads!!
I LOVED watching you hear this guys. "Stop being so good". 🤣
@@TankTheTech Us Wintersun fans: "Stop being such a perfectionist, throw out the next album already!" There should be a live one soon, the last few videos on the channel are teasers...
The Tank rolled in the section. Nice
A little bit of a story behind the band. Wintersun was created by Jari Mäenpää. It was meant as his side project while he was a vocalist on Enisiferum. He was kicked from that band when their schedules collided. He composed and recorded the first album (called Witnersun) all by himself. Vocals, guitars, bass, synth. He didn't do drums. He sent a demo to Kai Hahto in hopes that he would agree to record it for him. Kai loved it so much that he not only recorded the drums but joined Jari as a full time member.
Their next album "Time" was with the full band. It was however in the works since 2006 and been released in 2012 after a lot of problems. Supposedly no studio was able to handle the complexity of the songs and after a lot of compromises and burnout they split the album to 2 parts. We still wait for Time II and just few days ago Jari posted on facebook that he is working on 4 albums right now, but he refuses to compromise the quality of this one after what happened to Time I. So... one of these mythical albums that you kinda know that might never come out, even tho they performed the songs live YEARS ago.
After Time I, Jari decided that he needs his own studio to record new music. To achieve that, he organized crowdfunding plan. Their 3rd album "The Forest Seasons" in 2017 was a first step for that and they gathered half of the money required to build a studio.
A lot of fans are furious with all that. You can't scroll through their fanpage without drowning in negative remarks on how they just don't do anything and how greedy they are (well, mostly Jari as HE IS Wintersun and other guys are just there to play). I guess it's understandable - no other band claims that they need their own studio to release their stuff and fans have a right to be mad. Personally I don't care as long as they create great music. It would be nice to hear it tho lol. So... Wintersun is either worshiped or hated.
Team Liquid fan lmao.
@@sovex9331 I was, in starcraft days.
Kai said in an interview with A&P-reacts that all the drumming for Time II is done years ago and he is just waiting it to be released... some day, hopefully.
The crowdfounding aspect is slightly dodgy, but Jari is far from the only one to prefer his own studio. Kai Hansen has had his own for so long, the first Angra album was recorded there. Great comment, great info.
@@NeeceLoneWolf Got the idea it was longer ago.
Ohhhhhhhhh I can’t wait for this one!!! I do want to point out Jari (singer) misses part of his lung due to tuberculosis from his military days. Finland can take my soul if they keep producing musical geniuses like this.
25% of his lung tissue is gone; my guess is that they removed a whole lobe
Its a mystery how we do it, but we sure keep on doing so :D
Was scrolling through the comments to find this one 🤘🏼🤘🏼
The rest of the world needs to get with the program, right Esmee?
Luis Nunes yes 😂 I mean when I discovered Jari he was still in Ensiferum. In my eaaaarly teens. And thus also followed Wintersun since the beginning. And I mean he’s a genius. Finnish bands imo have a special connection with storytelling it seems and I love it.
The lead singer was member of a band called Ensiferum. They do some viking themed power Metal. Its deffenetly worth to check them as well.
I was racking my brain over this for far too long! I knew that I know the singer, just couldn't remember from where... To lazy to google.
Ensiferum is great, but for the most part their music is epic folk metal and/or folk inspired melodic death metal, although the have some power metal songs as well.
Iron! Fucking love that song
You know I had to look at Ensiferum backwards because I thought it was something written backwards like Anthrax did with the song Efilnikcufecin. lol
Holy shit that was amazing! I knew Kai was an amazing drummer but I had no idea he could play like that. And the vocalist has like 12 different singing styles. The music was ever changing with the vocals. They definitely have a new fan in me.
Check out their song "Time" from the same rehearsal because that song is much better.
That face says everything) This reaction is must-see, can't wait. And this time Tank can join the party too. This will be super fun.
Oh I'll be here!
Not just the I'm-leaving-the-planet-earth face, I'm predicting lots of airguitar and airdrumming to this song in one take.
You're not wrong!!!!
And more pausing for sure. Haters will be triggered lol.
Hit up "Time" from the same recording session... IMO it's even better than this. And after that the whole Forest Seasons album (4 songs) is absolutely brilliant.
TIME ☝️
Forest Seasons is one big masterpiece! Love that album! :D
yesss
Definatly go for TIME next
I agree xx
21:48 That's the "When you notice something f*cking awesome"-face. You are one of the very few youtubers who have actually catch that up, so thumbs up. It's also the reason why I subscribed you in the first place, your ability to spot the tiniest details is awesome! BTW, the lyrics with that deep voice are:
Mysteries of time
Unfolding in cosmic dreams
Leaving life and death meaningless
Before the revelation of infinity
What I really love about this song are the two parts, one of them being the last big triumphant finale, where the vocals, guitar and bass play in 6/8 and the drums play in 4/4. I think it gives the song this fantastic feeling of a metal ballad while also keeping up the pace, driving the song forward.
I'm glad you picked up on the ship feeling. The song feels like a sea shanty to me with the captain's call "Sons of winter and stars!" and the crew's response "Rise!"
Well they kind of grew up all in the same town - named Finland (and yes, there's something in the water ;) )
Btw please listen to Ne Obliviscaris with their song "and plague flowers the caleidoscope" live
Finland is the country in Europe with more metal bands per million of inhabitants (about 400 more or less). I guess that counts XD
@@NemusNemi Finland is first, Sweden second.
Oskar Ström Indeed.
I agree, Ne Obliviscaris is an amazingly talented band. And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope is a masterpiece.
No no no, the studio version is a must. Sure it is a great live version but doesn’t compare with studio and a new listener deserves it in its best form!!!
"There's no way they all grew up in the same town and are all thos talented, or else there's something in the water"
They didn't, but there is something in the water up in Finland - all of northern Europe, honestly. Small countries, but Finland, Norway, and Sweden are dense with metal bands. You could marathon any of them for a month and still miss a ton of great bands.
Well for the finns they have the advantage of ¨Sisu¨ i guess :P
Finland has the most metal bands per capita of any place on earth.
I am also exhausted just watching along, haha.
Crazy huh?
Was just going to bed when this popped up. Looks like that ain't happening. So much fun watching your face trying to analyse and pick this one apart.
As for more Wintersun recommendations... all of them.
All of them... true!
"Aaah, stop being so good!"
Pretty much my reaction to every single Wintersun song I've heard. The entire band is just crazy talented.
Some other songs worth looking into are Time from the same studio playthrough and Loneliness(Winter). I would also highly recommend to check out songs from their first self-tilted album which is cemented as a top 2 album for me. Winter Madness aswell as Sleeping Stars are two very solid songs from their first album.
In regards to who writes the songs, from what I've heard it's mainly Jari(the lead vocalist) who writes it, kind of like how Tuomas writes songs for Nightwish.
Teemu Mäntysaari who's the lead guitarist seems to write a lot of the solos and such atleast for their older songs, and he is genuinely one of the most impressive guitarists I've ever heard.
Dude sleeping stars is so sad but awesome also beautiful death or death and the healing is so good 2 but loneliness and time are good 2, though i would put land of snow and sorrow for the sad and just epic. I so totally agree on the reactions for every wintersun song.
I watched the Sons of Winter and Stars live studio vid because I wanted to see Kai with his "old" band. And my gast was totally flabbered! It woke up some DNA I had laying around. The DNA that says I have to swarm over a completely inadequate wall and slaughter Romans. The DNA that says I have to run into a monastery , hack every monk to pieces, and steal everything that glitters.
Yup, my inner lizard brain was shrieking at the moon like a rabid,blood crazed werewolf. I basically sat and quivered for a while, grinning like a maniac. Oh, yeah, Kai absolutely KILLED!!!
That ist why christians hating Metal
* Evil laughter*
It brings you to good Ideas!
Please, after you😆
I just sharpen my axe real quick
I've seen these guys twice live. They are mad lads, truly.
"Stop being so good."
It just seems unfair, this song has so much power, variance, and epicness for 14 minutes while being perfectly executed.
Splendid reaction Chase! 🤘🏼😊
Jari Mäenpää (leadsinger guitarist) writes all the songs. He is mastermind behind the band. Wintersun started as his soloproject while still playing in Ensiferum (which is great band also 👍🏼). He had to leave Ensiferum be cause Wintersun took so much time. Ensiferum fans are still bitter for that 😉. Jari is perfectionist and at least in first album Wintersun he played all the instruments but drums which Kai did.
Other two wizards are Jukka Koskinen (backing vocals bass) and Teemu Mäntysaari (backing vocals guitar).
They have 3 albums: Wintersun, Time1 and Forest Seasons. Sons of Winter and Stars was from Time1 and other songs are Time and Land of Snow and Sorrow both live rehearsals at Sonic Pump Studio also.
You projected Wintersun perfectly to my ears.... I have two of them(ears I mean), I promise... Brilliant video mate!
Thank you so much for your deep analysis, man! I really enjoyed it, keep stopping and commenting, I learn so much from you or it simply helps me to view the song from different angles. Thank you!
Really appreciate the comment and support.
Jari creates a lot of masterpieces when he was still in his band Einsiferum, start a solo project and Wintersun was born, realesed all by himself his first album an then gather some awesome musicians for live shows and the music was alive.
Kai started to learn Alexander technique for drummer back in the mid 90's because of severe back pains. That's why his playing looks effortless and relaxed.
Chase, fasten your seatbelts, because this will just...again blow your mind, because this is soo goood, can't wait 😀
I really enjoy it how you enjoy this! 🤘🏼
Damnit that’s brilliant!! Their time changes are so smooth, class act for sure. Brutal n melodic...Kai is a human metronome! Great break down Chase ( as usual!)🤘.
Well Chase, I'm glad you liked it. You should try listening to the album version since it's even more layered and intricate.
As others have mentioned the song Time from the same album is also worth a reaction. However, I would like to suggest Winter Madness from their debut album. The drums in that song makes these sound slow. It also has one of my favorite guitar solos. Jari is really playing his heart out.
Fun fact. On their first album they hadn't really formed the band yet so the drums are by Kai and everything else is played by Jari Mäenpää. All guitars, bass and keys. The guy has some serious talent. It's just a shame that they seem so unable to release new stuff. Since their first album in 2004 they have only released two other albums. I'm starting to fear that we won't get anymore.
Thumbs up for Chase. As a Nightwish fan since the '90s, and a fan of Jukka, Kai is such a study in contrast. Jukka is super dramatic, and an absolute joy to watch play live. Kai is such a subdued visual presence in many Nightwish songs, almost... I mean, *visually* boring isn't fair, but it is the word that leaps to mind. Yet being less dramatic allows Kai to play with CRAZY speed and precision. He's just as enjoyable to listen to, maybe more. Reminds me of Mike Portnoy vs Mike Mangini. Going to a concert, I'd rather SEE Jukka or Portnoy, but that's doesn't make them better drummers.
This is a WEIRD comparison, but there are parts of this song that remind me of Alestorm.
I think it's because there's some folk metal in here. The "sons of winter and stars" are obviously vikings (so, Viking Metal), which were kind of pirates... and of course, pirate metal is a subgenre of folk metal, like Viking.
Jari Mäenpää
Jukka Koskinen
Teemu Mäntysaari
Kai Hahto THe GRINDER
Let the lesson begin....
Another one of my requests.... wohoooo!!!! must go buy a lottery ticket
You know Tuomas already, now meet another musical mastermind: Jari :) The channel A&P reacts did an interview with him a year or two ago, found it quite cool. Wintersun’s “Loneliness” (out of the album based on 4 seasons, how cool is that, metal Vivaldi?) is imo one of the most beautiful ballads ever.
I second this, Loneliness is an incredible piece of music, it's Wintersun masterpiece imo, and definitely worth reacting to!
"That chord progression sounds familiar, I've heard it somewhere before... " Yess... probably about a month ago when this song started.... this is one of my all time favorite songs.
To be fair, Kai was in Wintersun since the mid 2000s, he just joined Nightwish, so it's Kai from Wintersun that is in Nightwish, not Kai from Nightwish being in Wintersun...
I see Chase and Wintersun, I press like.
Pure precious metal from Finland!
Absolutely love Wintersun! You need to hear Winter Madness. The song is crazy with it's insane guitar solo and the fact the song is 90% blast beats lol.
That is one of the hardest guitar solos ever composed. Originally composed and played by Jari, but Teemu plays it better. Teemu is one of the best guitarists out there, If you watch this for example...he does everything so easily (compared to many other, even more famous guitarists...like Herman Li for example): ua-cam.com/video/_YBaEyTIOi4/v-deo.html
@@oo.llpee.7457 The dude is a monster, holy crap.
@@clumsyturtle8544 He certainly is, and way too unknown. Another crazy talented Finnish guitarist is Matias Kupiainen (Stratovarius): ua-cam.com/video/6IqsCEmDIBQ/v-deo.html
Check out Ayreon - The Day the World Breaks Down. While it is playing they talk about the technical stuff they did while recording it.
Fair warning: Ayreon is sooooooo cheesy. But I love it.
Definite upvote. Amazing song with some of the best metal singers around.
Lukas Zarychta totally agree. I think this is just what you will like enormously!!
Yes Ayreon please
Oh man. You are going to have a treat with this...
You never expect a band such as this to hook you with the first song, but Wintersun just kicks you in the brain
Right? 👌👌👌
Aww man I got so excited when I saw this and clicked immediately! Then I saw it's not premiered yet :P Set a reminder tho, can't wait! Amazing song, hope you enjoyed it!
Once again a great reaction! :D I love your technical breakdown of the songs you react to. its great!
More Wintersun? you gotta do Loneliness (Winter) its perhaps the most beautiful song they ever made! so dark and emotional.
I think this, apart from the Shoemaker that I've just seen, is my most anticipated reaction 😃. I feel sorry for Chase though, he must have paused every 5 sec 😂😂. Setting a reminder for this one for sure 👍
Love this!
That was fun :D - watching you try to find a pause point. Nice. :D This song is so technical and has soooo much variance, like 8 songs in one. Impressed. Love it. Yaarrr!!! *subscribed*
Please do more Wintersun!! 😎
Definitely
Waaaaaaaaaa this weekend is epic!!! 😲😲😲
This is fantastic musical craftmanship. Doesn't matter if you are into this kind of music or not.
Agreed. Facts.
Summer is probably my favourite. The riff from around the 7 minute mark is just amazing. Keep up the great content.
Brilliant! Love this group too! Maybe check out Loneliness from them... awesome
High time to listen to Time (same studio rehersal session). Total raw emotion. You'll love it.
Gotta get around to that one soon.
Chase, the next one should be Time, also from this rehearsal.
Has to be the remastered version.
Thank you! I love the whole band, but Kai is just amazing!!
Thanks a lot buddy! Fantastic reaction glad you enjoyed \m/
Love your analysis. As someone wrote before, please consider covering their song "Time", it's from the same recording session and it's one of their most popular tracks (and my overall favourite song by Wintersun). More vocals, awesome lyrics and Kai going ham on the drums. Recipe for success =) Best wishes from Sweden.
One of my favorite bands of all times. They are so good that words is not enough 💜🔥 Jari IS wintersun 😍Check out the song Time by them aswell, that song is beyond beautiful 😃🙌🏼⭐️ Awesome reaction once again! 👏🏼👏🏼😊🇳🇴
Will do, thanks Camilla.
Welcome to the world of finnish melodic Death Metal 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Yes, they can be "a bit" overwhelming. They got so much going on that I needed to use headphones to catch it all (no idea if I caught it all...). Anyway, after discovering them one week ago here's my list of favorite songs by them in no particular order: Time (Live), Death and the Healing 2.0 (Lyrics), The Forest That Weeps (Summer), Loneliness (Winter)
Must be the 5th or 6th time i have watched this reaction Chase, great work love the info you give and the way you give it. Kai is a beast no doubting it
You're right that there's a lot of storytelling to this song. It's a short fantasy epic, essentially.
You'll find similar things in some of their other songs, and also in the band Jari played in before he started Wintersun: Ensiferum.
I would recommend Ensiferum with Treacherous Gods or Slayer of Light - or both. Those are with Jari on vocals. You could also check their new vocalist, and the best song for that imo is called From Afar.
I stumbled on your channel and this was the first time I heard Wintersun. Loved your commentary and thank you for showing this song because holy hell, it might be the best metal song I've personally ever heard.
Really Nice to see people appreciate the works of Wintersun. I deserve to be more known than what They are currently. Every Song Theyve made is a work of art. They are The only metal band I still listens to. And I do it daily.
Kai really is a monster. He and Eloi Casagrande from Sepultura are my absolute favourites. Great analysis as always, cheers
The lead singer was the former singer of Ensiferum and he did great work at Ensiferum. I loved the complete Iron Album especially "Iron", "Into Battle" and "Lai Lai Hei" you should check on them
Greets from Germany :)
It has been 3 weeks since you first reacted to Wintersun and I find it unbelievable you have not reacted to another Wintersun song. If anyone deserves it, it is them. Time, from the same studio session. Btw, awesome work, mate. Keep 'em coming.
Love your reaction, such an amazing song by these remarkable talented musicians. Enjoyed you getting enveloped by it.
I am a Finnish metal fan and I have deep diving experience in it and I heard about this band through the grapevine or as whispers in the dark that there is this group of of super talented gentlemen of finnish metal but I really learned who they are and how good they are through reaction channels. I have seen this video more than a few times this year and they still blow my mind.
Wintersun through whispers in 2020s? Everyone who has been to metal in Finland has known about this group being one of the major nutters of Finland since Kai and Jari put it together some 2+ decades ago or so. Apparently not so deep diving experience after all...
Kai is like a machine stuck on awesome.
When I hear this song, instantly there is a picture forming in my mind of a band of Yotuns (Ice Giants) preparing to storm Asgard.
Oh man I am SO excited for this video!!!!
Just to let everybody know Kai Hahto the drummer is the original drummer Finnish grind core band called Rotten Sound what was formed early nineties (still exsist).
He played in that croup many many years before he quits it in early 2000 and went in this croup and later in Nightwish.
A metal master piece.
I'm standing on the prow of a Viking long ship with the rain lashing my face about to raid some foreign land. I'm actually sitting in a chair in my living room but that's where this song takes me.
Jari Mäenpää
Pros: perfectionist
Cons: perfectionist
For some reason I haven't listened to any song by Wintersun. This is the first one, and it's EPIC.
Yeah I'm so glad you finally covered this! Awesome analysis
Time and Loneliness are definitely the next ones to react to, Time having a video recorded from this same rehearsal in this studio, and Loneliness doesn't have an official video, but a lyrical one on their page. Loneliness is my favorite by far, maybe cause I can identifiy alot with the lyrics and feelings portrayed in it, but damn that music is gorgeous.
Loved that... thank you for this awsome song... New discover for me... I learn so many things with your reactions... I'm greatfull !!!
God Jari's vocals are always perfect for the music he writes. Man' a genius.
There’s no need for going to the gymn if you play the drums like Kai does 😳 he must be pure muscle with drumsticks! Very impressive!
Did you know the lead vocalist only has one lung. He had to surgically get one removed after being in the finnish military
🌟Oh Chase. I adore your reactions 💖 This is 1 of your best. Joy, just to 🤗 watch you. This band rock - an epic understatement. "Please Sir, 🙏 may I have some more?" 💖💖💖
Love your face expression while reacting 😄
your music geekiness makes this better, good reaction!
🙋🏼♂️🎶🤓
The harp and the aethical ooohs from the woman in the start sets the theme for the space opera, which is in the background of the song with the female choir and the futuristic tune. This group of space pirates are part of a bigger, epic thing.
It's very nice to listen your detailed notes, even though I'm not a musician, just a dude who listens and watches and enjoys.
Breaking down some secret code of nature there.
Ooooh nice I was waiting for this one :)
This video has been sitting at the top of my recommended videos list for like 12+ hours now. It's finally here!
I know it's probably too far afield for the style of your channel, but I'd recommend watching Licks and Tricks with Kai Hahto, or his drum cam of this song from Helsinki, in your own time at some point.
It's insane how many little things he does during the song, which tend to go unnoticed unless you're solely watching him. Like the drum fill at ~3:00 in is utterly ridiculous, how he still makes the cymbal hits with perfect timing in the midst of it.
This is just one song from a run through of the whole Time 1 album. Althogh the credits roll at the end, the 4 videos together seem one long take.
The album was re-worked a couple of years ago, new orchestra and choir tracks I think. Growl vocal on this were Jukka *bass) and Alpha Valtias. If I remember, Kai also dod low/growl vocals on The Forest Seasons.
As far as I know, Jari Mäenpää (the lead singer) writes all the songs. Some say that he's kind enough to leave spaces for a pit stop for the drummer.
He does everything except for the drums
It is high time you did another Wintersun song, Chase...you know it's true 😉
Their self-titled album is very technical and it’s typically my go-to Wintersun album, however this song is just so amazing and moving. Jari is a brilliant musician.
There’s a lot of talent in that neck of the woods. You should check out the band he played in years ago, Ensiferum. Lai Lai Lei is one of my favorite Ensiferum songs featuring Jari on guitars/vocals.
Yes, finally! Oh, these will be the slowest 21 hours since giving birth to my kid...
This one is going to blow you from your seat! 🤘
Talent recognizes talent! Nice reaction to this masterpiece! Looking forward to more Wintersun on the channel, i suggest the song "Time" from the same studio session!
Really like melodic parts, The atmosphere as in Blind Guardian's songs 🖤
I am not even religious, but have I gone to heaven or is it already christmas? Nightwish AND Wintersun! Now I only need Steve'n'Seagulls and I can die as a happy person 😁 (Well hopefully not quite yet but anyways...)
Love the seagulls
Beware of Hamsters and Dentists, though :)
@@haraldschuster3067 I see what you did there and it is highly appreciated 🤣
Yess Steve 'n' Seagulls and maybe some Turmion Kätilöt? 😁
Let's just vote the ultimate Seagul song, and then we need to start bugging Chase =P
Yes! Middle-ages martial music! From the same mental "movie" in my mind as Ghost Love Score... Wintersun is from Helsinki and originally formed as the side project of Jari Maenpaa , then vocalist and guitarist of folk metal band Ensiferum. The vocals, guitars, bass, and keyboards on (first album) were performed solely by Jari who had grown up with 8- and 16-track equipment. Kai was with Rotten Sound and agreed to play drums for Jari.... I hear they still need a keyboard player!!! Heikki Saari plays drums for them now.