Journalist here! Your subject will never know what your angle will be because it usually changes. If for example you had one angle but the interview reveals a different angle you will take that angle.
I think the article was true enough where it mattered: he harassed her for months, trapped her on a plane, some how feels has the right to make choices about how she manages her pain and gave her an egg apron for her birthday. That is all I care about.
To the girl around 3:15 saying the journalist was trying to ask her questions one on one. It’s because it’s HER account and HER platform and the interview was supposed to be about HER
A lady in another video said the journalist should have only asked BF’s husband questions because they’re LDS, and he knows best. Lots of women agreed with her, and when I asked why cuz this is BF’s interview, they shut me down. The religious programming is real.
“Being an unmarried childless woman you don’t understand what being a farmer with 8 kids is like” Well, she’s not really an actual farmer firstly Secondly, it doesn’t matter if you don’t have the same lifestyle as the person you’re interviewing. You’re still observing them and asking the questions you have to ask. Why wasn’t this woman allowed time and space to do an interview without kids crawling all over her? Oh that’s right cause she has 8 of them with no help. That’s just the reality that was observed 🤷♀️
Why does that only apply to farm wives /SAHM? If we are going with that logic, it would make a journalist unsuitable to comment on a doctor's lifestyle , on a marine , on a traveller. May be the journalist is not the one with a preconceived notion here. It's rather projection on this woman's part . She has a preconceived notion about what a childless , unmarried , journalist's agenda would be.
If Hannah's husband thinks this is going to make us think he's some good guy defending his wife he's got another thing coming. This lawsuit makes them both look even more insecure than they seemed already, which is saying a lot. I hope they enjoy seeing how the first amendment works in a court of law
people searched their LLC and she actually isn't on any paperwork. so she's not co-ceo or co anything and has no legal bearing over that 328 acre farm .. all her socials are under the name of HIS business.
She's not the first mormon wife expiriencing this and surely not the last one. These religious/ cult men love power play and feel entiteld to it since it's told to them for years from their churches.
lot of pick me women in this video 😬 definitely support women who chose these roles. He bought her an egg apron, and refuses to get her help for his hundred children.
There is not a single good reason for a man of his means (literally billions built on fleets of private jets) to have his wife not have her own car as a means of some sort of access to the outside world. Mind you, SLC is 40 mins away so it's not like she's zipping away, living out the SATC life 😂 Even if it's purely for convenience or safety. My husband and I earn good money and with both working and living in central London (after being in Manhattan a few years), we don't need or want a car. But we've spoken about eventually moving out, even 30 mins door to door from downtown, and me potentially staying at home with the kids for their first few years. He's said in that case, "you're not going to be here sitting duck alone at the mercy of god knows who if there's an emergency with a kid or yourself," and we're definitely getting a car just for me even only for peace of mind. I understand it's not an option for every family and the woman usually pays the price (if a couple can only afford one car and the husband needs it as the primary breadwinner) in terms of feeling isolation and alienation. In this case, it doesn't make sense other than purely as a means to control and keep her there. With their means and resources, to not even have a car as a backup is abhorrent, honestly (I’d think it’d be completely reasonable for her to have it purely as her side to maybe drive out and get a break from it all from time to time).
@@ricaramos9631 On another video a bunch of religious women commenters said the journalist was biased and purposefully portrayed the husband in a bad light…. 🥴. Um, he did that to himself.
07:00 Homegirl saying "Yeah, 4 kids is perfect, so the older kids watch the younger ones.".... Parentification of children is so odious to me. If you can't give each child equal attention, you shouldn't have so many!
It’s incredibly important for children to grow up having an opportunity to LEARN how to take care of others! We grow up without any experience, then are expected to have our own children and take care of them perfectly. No, it doesn’t work that way. Children, that are growing up in big families, are incredibly lucky: they get to learn to be on their own, take care of others, get to experience parenting, take care of themselves, and grow up not becoming egocentric. Single children, on the contrary, are suffocating by all the attention parents give them. They aren’t getting used to taking care of others, being independent, etc. And they grow up without the opportunity to learn to take care of small children and have difficulty parenting their own.
@@LolaSteininger What a delusional take! Congrats! Children can see how to take care of others by how their PARENTS take care of them! Not by them being parents as kids. Lol
Anyone who still thinks this is about the lifestyle and not the fact that Daniel literally stalked her and pressured her to marry him is out of their minds.
He said if you want to dance, go dance. But she didn’t get to finish college… he married her within a few months, and she was pregnant a couple of months later… so how was she going to dance? And she asked for a studio and didn’t get it, like there wasn’t room on a 300+ acre farm?
For me, the worst, saddest, and most disgusting part of the article was when the husband had said that she always had another baby 9 months after the last one. That means that for the entirety of their marriage she's been pregnant. She's never had a moment's rest
The journalist doesn’t have an agenda, she was just commenting on what she saw. Anybody would think it was weird for somebody to keep interrupting the person you came to interview. Hannah is the star and the journalist got the opportunity to interview her without seeing her through the lens of her husband. What Hannah does is a lot and people can see that. She’s tired and exhausted, but at the same time, I don’t doubt that she really truly loves her children. ❤
Let’s say she did have an agenda (for argument sake) One cannot fake body language , a person can lie but the face and body tell the truth. We don’t see crack a genuine smile unless she’s dancing. People want to politicise simple things just for argument sake.
“She was just commenting on what she saw.” --her perception. Of a moment. In an interview with a stranger. Not necessarily what the family dynamic is with one another in the comfort and privacy of their lives.
Daniel gave up his athletic carrier to support Hannah while she was in Juilliard. Like, you lot really just gobble up anything you read in the media...
There's nothing wrong with her stay at home mom lifestyle it's the fact that Daniel literally manipulated her into the position she's in now and Hanna is making the best of it. For fucks sake, he wouldn't even let her have her own ballet studio... he got her an APRON for her birthday.....
@@michellemurry2180he definitely is making fun of her and mocking her. He let's her kids do ballet and makes her watch. Its like they can do ballet but you can't because you are NOT ALLOWED!
Usually they interview promising to give the POV you want and then do the article however they choose. (My boss was interviewed a lot due to being promised good PR and they were all hit pieces)
Having an agenda is fine as a journalist. They'd have to prove she wrote something false (claimed to see a thing she didn't see) as truth is an absolute defence to libel. So no, they're not gonna :)
@cheyenne7982 that journalist wrote what she saw she could barely interview Hannah without her husband talking over her. Unless that journalist said something untrue everyone is mad that the life that they portray on insta isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
More like Daniel is mad at being exposed, and Hannah is siding with him to survive. Imagine if she used the article to argue against him - she might be forced to sign divorce papers and be left with nothing. While her family is well off too, I doubt she'd enjoy losing custody of her kids.
"They're making it look like they forced her, like it was the hand maiden's tail or something" 😂😂 girl , thats exactly what that is. Thank you I was looking for something to compare it to.
Even if the article had an "agenda", it doesn't change the fact that abuse survivors see tons of red flags in her marriage. I don't believe women with handprint bruises who claim they just fell down the stairs, and I don't believe that a Juilliard-trained ballerina would willingly give it all up to go play little house on the overpopulated prairie with a man who thinks an apron is a good birthday gift either. The sad part is she was groomed for abuse in a religion that puts men in charge and only values women as wives and mothers. She probably does believe this is where she belongs, that she's doing "the right thing", but no one will _ever_ convince me she's truly happy. She might smile for the camera, but she's just making the best of a situation she doesn't feel like she can ever escape.
They’re just mad cause her life has been exposed there’s no lawsuit here. The journalist didn’t force her to answer the questions the way she did she simply asked she answered. She should’ve never agreed to the interview. These people are living a lie and now the world knows knock it off and get out your feelings
Why’re women mad at the journalist for writing EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAW? These women are outrageous. “She doesn’t understand what it’s like to have a child” okay, she can still say what she observes. She didn’t see any of that. Hannah was definitely forced into her marriage and her husband stalked her into it. She never said anything poorly about any one of them. She stated her observations. These other women are delusional.
Because they want to live this idealized fantasy life being a trad-wife and now that an online “trad-wife” they look up to is basically admitting that her life isn’t pretty, they’re freaking out. What’s wild are the women defending the husband making the story about him and saying women need to submit to their husbands, and let him be the leader. Are they women or little girls?
Well, if you are from the "Nazi Times" and go and visit an orthodox jewish family, imagine what that person would see. When you have an agenda or a view, it would be almost impossible to be unbiased.
This is such BS. I think i said this in your other video: A journalist writes what they see. She doesn’t owe them a puff piece or some beautifully written ode to their lifestyle. If I allow a journalist into my home, I better be ready to take whatever it is they write or say about the experience.
Gorgeously put. They actually thought the NYTimes was coming to give them a gold star of approval. Silly, silly rich people. The problem is not living in the real world. Rich people don't. If we think you're frigging weird, rich people, we will say so. Suck it, rich people ;)
My mother had 11 children, by the time she was done having kids, her womb would fall out and need tucked back up inside her. I have a friend that this happens too also. Their body starts literally falling apart. My one friend ended up getting her bladder tacked back up and her womb. WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF IN THE YEAR 2024, ITS BEYOND DISGUSTING AND EVIL!!! I bet with these kinds of "family" after mommy doesn't work as well as they think mommy should work, the daughters step up and take her place. We have seen this a thousand times. RUN LADIES!! RUN FROM THE HELL THEY CALL MARRIAGE.
Yes, I mentioned prolapse in my comments too. I remember my OBGYN telling me (when I asked him what women used to do in the "olden days" about prolapse) that "Grandma used to sit in a corner by herself and stink". I couldn't get that image out of my head!
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 yes, but I was talking about when mommy can't do her wifely duties....... The daughters step up. just like LOT and his daughters. ALL ONE HAPPY FAMILY
With or without him, if he cared about her without any negative intentions, she would have completed her ballerina journey. With everything that is going on with this article, one thing it taught me was to never let a man stop me from working my ass off on my dreams. I'm not giving up or sacrificing anything until I either pass or fail myself.
4:40 The point is that WE DONT KNOW if this are her true feelings because he never left her side, for the entire four hours!!! Did we learn nothing from the Duggards? 🤦🏽♀️
And I don't even think she has the money she earns from TikTok because if she did, her dear husband wouldn't be out there gifting her aprons. She would buy it herself! Hannah is trapped in every way possible, imo.
@@prettydigitaljournal I also wonder if she has any access to bank cards or if she can leave anytime she likes, bc she lives isolated, I wonder if she can drive a car?
The journalist was telling facts. They’re mad because it wasn’t portrayed the way they want it. Women (very often) give up their entire life, personality, career, etc to be a “traditional wife”. It seems like more people are offended that I don’t want kids. 😂sooo I beg to differ.
Thank you, i really glad you dont have kids. You can reach your dream and live a happy life. Also its good for the environment. Let those silly trad wives have kids with their loser husband all they want. You go girl! You considering tubes tied?
Something that stuck out to me, one of the girls said “it’s good to have at least 4 kids, because then they start looking after each other”…. -_- that’s abuse. I’m the middle child of 5, my older siblings did not look after me, in fact they would be outside of the house the instant they had the chance, because they were children and that’s how they think. But I took it upon myself to “play house” clean, cook, and look after other family members. I didn’t have a childhood and suffered from deep long lasting depression because of it. This is abuse.
I hope you've healed. I can relate. My parents planned to have 4 kids. 7 years later, an "accident" occurred: me. I'm not sure exactly who got me through infancy, but by age 5, I knew I was on my own, and if I had to ask for anything, I'd pay for it somehow. It was a scary and lonely childhood, but OTOH, I'm self-sufficient AF!!! LOL.
@@mizotter yes, it was very much seeing my siblings get to go to summer camp, getting violin lessons, while I literally wondered the streets and had to raise money for any extracurricular activity! But I also agree, I love my own company and am perfectly happy doing everything alone! And I learned I can push myself out of my comfort zone when sh*t hits the fan. Thank you for your empathetic response!
I have one sister, and I was expected to raise her till I told my parents “no more” at 16. Anyone who parentifies their kids/expects them to raise their siblings is not fit to be a parent.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 I’m so sorry and I know parents in this situation, are usually overbearing with you and lax with your sister. Sometimes we don’t realize we lost our childhood until it’s long past gone.
@@lifewithmelonieI mean for Gods sakes the man got her a damn egg apron instead of a vacation…but we’re supposed to believe she’s happy and content…..I can barely handle my ONE child ….ONE and he’s a handful 😫😫 I can’t imagine 7!!!
So many people just seem upset that the dream they had about his creator is not what they thought it was. Im listening to the WW reply, and what they find "inspirational" about her is looking pretty for the male gaze after giving birth and baking, and the labor she does on the farm. They rarely mention that she is doing all this on her own, that she's running a business, or that she is doing it on her own because her husband makes her! Sure, she chose this life, but when you put it online, you invite EVERYONE to se and make comments, and if they don't see it how you present it, that's not their fault. She looks like a servant in her household, and that's how her husband wants her. He wants her pretty enough to sleep with, but too tired from all her labor to actually think about herself. That's cruel. One commenter online said "The cruelty is the point". And it is. This man wanted to stop her trajectory in life, and he did. She is the ultimate prize for him in that respect.
Spot on. They’re mad her life isn’t what she portrays. So many women think trad-life is pretty dresses, fun with the kids, taking care of their man, but it’s servitude and always being under a man. It’s not a pretty reality no matter how aesthetic one tries to make it. All of these trad-wife influencers don’t even live the way they preach, and most are the bread winner of their family.
The logic for her children being attached to her throughout the interview is that the baby is 6 months old ? Have these people cared for 6 month old babies ? It's not a joey in the pouch . Babies that age ( or any age ) can be handled by other family members for a few hours unless they need a feed .
Daniel/his father saying the article "painted them in a bad light just for clicks and views" gives the air of DARVO (from Google: "DARVO is an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender", a manipulative tactic used by perpetrators to avoid responsibility for harmful behavior. It's often used in abusive relationships, such as domestic abuse or sexual assault, when the perpetrator is confronted by their behavior.") The journalist, I imagine, was trying to get the story from Hannah, but Daniel couldn't leave well enough alone. He probably knows the subjugation he puts her through is questionable (deep down, way deep down), and he probably feared what would happen if his property--I mean wife--spoke to another adult woman that wasn't indoctrinated in the Mormon cult alone. Hannah said a lot in what little she could say. Edited to add: One article sounds sanitized for public consumption, like a PR firm released it, and the other actually sounds like someone wrote it.
ballerina is the one who's account is named after, she is the one who's always in front of the camera, and she's the one whom the journalist wanted a ONE ON ONE interview with ... so of course the journalist would want to interview ballerina ON HER OWN without her husband as a chaperon breathing down her neck... and lets say that she 100% wanted all of this, the way her husband literally stalked and trapped her into the marriage - that alone is a HUGE red flag... the guy probably had his rich daddy pull some strings to trap her on that plane with him when they first met, and she KEPT TELLING HIM NO, but he still wouldn't listen ... its not like she had a fear of commitment or anything, she just didn't like him ... but he went along and stalked her until she gave in ... this is why so many of us have forgone relationships and marriages altogether ... we don't want to be forced into something we don't want, and we sure as hell don't want to be ran through the ground till we finally drop dead from exhaustion ... just watch, when they reach their 50s (that is if she's still alive and healthy) he will start looking for the next youngest and prettiest thing and he'll abandon her with their kids ... i also heard that she doesn't have her name on any contract or lease or any money? yeah, lets just hope her life doesn't end in disaster. hopefully the money she gets from social media is in HER bank account and not his/their joint one. also, the "new & improved" article is most definitely done by Daniel's daddy pulling some strings to have them in a better light ... being a stay at home mom is wonderful, when the woman is 100% on board, has some help if they're a lot of kids, and MOST IMPORTANTLY has her own money/source of income... do not, i repeat, DO NOT be 100% financially dependent on your husband. you can't trust your husband (or wife) 100% . there needs to be a healthy 1% of doubt; mostly when it comes to finances.
Of course it was biased. Of course no one is threatened by Hannah's decision to 1. Dropout of Juilliard 2. Have 8 kids 3. Be married to Daniel. Many Gen Y and most of Gen Z aren't jealous of Hannah Neeleman. And anyway she sacrificed her dreams of being a ballerina for "eternal life" lol. That's what Mormons believe. So grown adults, you can stop infantilizing this 'tradwife' now. Its pathetic. Hannah is thriving with her husband and her 8 kids. THRIVING!
I think that the writer did not go with the image that they try to portray. They didn’t want the reporter to talk to her alone & she said something different when he wasn’t around.
This woman doesn’t have a room to her self in her own home that is on acres of land. Her stuff is in the garage!!!! She can’t afford to go on vacation and her husband won’t take her on one.
Depending on your bias you will see thi story different ways. My biggest takeaway is CAN WE STOP IDEALISING PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. In general, for any reason. If you admire a certain life choice be it stay at home mother, farming, CEO, laywer whatever find someone in REAL LIFE to befriend and look up to. What you learn will be far more valuable than anyone on the internet.
I believe the journalist had an agenda. However, two things can be true at the same time. It is also quite clear that Hannah, in ten, maybe twenty, maybe, even thirty years, is going to be someone who regrets the choices she made in her younger years. This marriage, apart from giving her children who I'm sure she loves benefits her in no way, and her body and soul are going to continuously be worn down for a long time. Let's not forget that they are Mormon. All her life she has been surrounded by girls who got married after high school or during or immediately after college. It doesn't matter how famous she is. She is religious, and religion is a huge part of what keeps women in a marriage and acts as a block to any logical thinking. As long as he is not physically abusing her, the probability of her seeing any other signs of emotional abuse traits like his selfishness and how inconsiderate he is of her feelings is very low. This is why I say in twenty, maybe even thirty years, she will probably regret a lot. I do not think we should pity her or keep talking about her. Right now, she is still so young, not for a while, will she realise what has been done to her. I hope when she does, she comes out to say something, but I think we should leave her alone. The journalist had an agenda, it is quite clear to see as there were ways to have just stated what she saw and experienced without casting judgement, it still doesn't mean that what she wrote is untrue.
This is not a lifestyle I could sustain. If she is happy bless her and hers. However, after reading the article, this writing was non partial. She only gave a timeline of questions, answers, and events. There were no personal opinions stated. Only facts. If you have an opinion about it it is the construction of your own mind. Don't shoot the messenger
Some of the reactions to this Ballerina Farm stuff are so over done. I don't have an issue with the journalist at all. If anything Hannah and her husband need to reflect on the content they post and why they signed up for the interview in the first place. The video of her getting an egg apron alone corroborated parts of the article. The bigger issue I saw was not how she lives or her faith but moreso how her husband doesn't convey true love and care for her as a person and as a mother. He is lacking an empathy gene if he can speak to his wife's extreme exhaustion and do nothing about. Or when he can't give her a gift but only items to do more work, or the fact that before she can respond he is making a point that she should be grateful by telling her "your welcome" before she can say thanks. They chose to put their life on display and they need to deal with the consequences of that - whether the feedback is positive or negative. The only thing I think the journalist is negligent is how she opened her article in setting the stage of her insights and maybe a lack of consideration for the fact she didn't really get to see how they live and that her words could have a negative effect on her living environment - depending on the true nature and type of person Hannah and her husband are. The journalist's response sounded coerced, not genuine and that would make sense based on who the extended family is and the impact to their lives.
I am on SSI disability. I am poor. But I could buy my own egg apron. Where did they get that from Temu? That's the kind of thing she should have been able to order herself. It should have been one of her choirs to order the tools she needs. Where is her household budget account? I am sorry but normally SAHM have an account with household money. It's not an amazing life. I can't imagine.
I don't know what happened during the interview. But raising 8 kids on the farm and her job as contract creator is a lot, I don't know why she doesn't have childcare and house help. We all know we have the income for that. Probably they don't have any help there so people wouldn't know what going there.
Everybody who is calling out this woman for having this peaceful and tranquil life with 8 KIDS is calling bullshit. Thre is no peace with that many kids. It is physically impossible to do everything for 8 kids AND a husband AND grow your own food AND run a business. I am speaking as someone who was brought up growing their own food, and I've also had to care for 3 kids. You can't do all that. Unless she's running on 3 hours of sleep, days starting at 3am and has the heart of iron. She and her abus!ve stalker creep husband are gaslighting us all thinking we are stupid.
They’re angry because the journalist took THEIR answers, as well as factual observations… and people made real judgments based on that information… and their own actual knowledge. Their trying to scapegoat the journalist 🙄
I wonder what kind of life she'd/they'd have if she gave up the social media and internet sales work? If the articles are such "hit pieces" that they want to sue, go back to doing you, and stop making your life palatable for the social media masses.
Her relationship is ultimately her business, but let’s call a spade a spade - she got a secret epidural when her husband wasn’t around to stop her. Taking away your ability to make your own medical decisions is ABUSIVE even if she “consents” to the relationship, and both she and the women doing mental gymnastics to defend her are trying to normalize it “just a lifestyle choice”. Yeah, it is - a shitty, abusive choice that is difficult for most women to get out of and that ballerina farm sells for literal money online. It’s not about saving her, at least for me - we have to warn younger women about the reality of this lifestyle, because ballerina farm is not proving a realistic expectation, and a lot of ex trad wives have ended up broke or worse giving everything to their husbands and families without a backup plan. Talking about these things is important, and btw I have literally never watched a single ballerina farm vid in my life.
They cnt sue for defamation all the journalists did was describe what happened when she was interviewing and added facts. It wasn’t a hit peace. Ppl just put two and two together. Stating in the new article that she is basically sweet and loves being a mother does not negate the fact that the dude basically loved bombed her and stole her light. She could have been a ballet star but became a housewife. Maybe she believes she decided on her own. However there was clear manipulation at play. IMO the journalist should have written the second article. She did nothing wrong. Now this lady in the video is full of shit. Just because he says oh you can keep dancing doesn’t mean he means it. You do knw that’s a basic manipulation tactic by narcissistic so the victim thinks it’s their idea. 101 manipulation.
I saw the first article in The Sunday Times. I didn't give it a close read because honestly, I couldn't care less. However, a few points that I picked up was Daniel's comment how Hannah seems to be ready for another baby 9 months after she had had a previous one. (Really??) I also picked up on the fact that she told Daniel she wanted to finish Julliard, which didn't happen. She also gets no outside help, although Daniel does help out with the kids. He made the comment that she wears herself out occasionally, leaving her to have to spend days (or a week) in bed. She mentioned also that it was Daniel's dream to be a farmer. Was she brainwashed? Maybe more from growing up Mormon than from her husband, which I'm pretty sure touts the man as the head of the household. To each their own. I think childbirth is extremely hard on the body; who knows if as the years go by it will cause prolapse of the uterus or bladder. It certainly can.
I don’t know much about these people but from what I can tell the angle was pretty rude. Imagine sharing what you think is a happy home with wholesome children and you get portrayed as some tired maid with rugrat ankle biters that don’t know how to conduct themselves when company is over. Also getting accused of being abused over and over again by the internet and now a journalist you thought was genuinely interested in you and your life story. Plus I am not sure if most people know this but dancers don’t have a long career, bad she always knew she would make sacrifices when she decided to have a family. Not to mention she insisted that she leave being a ballerina after getting married. Not every marriage is perfect and it may seem weird to some but they seem happy albeit a bit exhausted. She’s not a child and being a ballerina may have been her dream but perhaps not her only dream? She is allowed to change her mind and give up something for another dream. I do notice her husband may be a bit less selfless than her like come on you can take your wife on a trip to Greece. 😅 Plus the journalist did have a fixed mindset about who she was interviewing, maybe not an agenda but clear bias towards her interview subjects.
I think every woman who’s defending ballerina farm is really actually defending Daniel. Here is why they missed the point: Being pick me’s for Daniel won’t make another guy pick you for this lifestyle that you idolize. Daniel controls every aspect of her life In the larger sense. She does not have the power to leave and she gave up her career, is In pain when she gives birth unless Daniel isn’t their and Daniel abused his power in order to start a relationship with her. It isn’t “romantic” and women with low self esteem will always defend a man under the guise of a woman having a choice if they envy that woman for her lifestyle.
Hannah owns nothing, she is just working for free for her husband. I am pretty sure, it's his jobless husband who wants to sue the journalists, I don't think hannah have enough time for cooking and cleaning for 8 to do the paperwork 😅 And mormon women aren't allowed to have money. So, I am sure his husband hired her for being a bangmaid. The difference between working 9-5 vs working at home is, working women gets paid and only work till 5 meanwhile tradwives don't get paid for working entire day and they get egg apron as a present 🤭💀 i have nothing but empathy for that woman.
She's not doing fantastic. Her husband is doing fantastic. Tell me she has legal ownership, in writing, of an equal part of that business, I'll totally retract my statement.
I haven’t read both articles but I know people who live this lifestyle will defend it even when it is a hurt to themselves. However even though I haven’t read it I believe the third commenter. I’ll Read it and come back
Women for millennia--until very recent history in western culture-raised 8+ children without help. It blows my mind that people think we need nannies and service providers. Many cultures today draw within their families and communities to raise their families. Some do it alone. This is nothing new. We just judge it with our entitled, narrow view of what life is, completely forgetting there is a world outside of us.
Women didn’t rise their kids on their own. They had the oldest children be parents to their younger siblings, and is it not help when you’re delegating the task of child rearing to other family members? The only difference is you don’t pay the people you’re related to. This was a bad take.
It shocks me every time I see women defending other women's abusers. But it was useful in some way, it helped me identify and block quite a lot of low-key anti-woman influencers and UA-camrs.
Very rich coming from Hannah. She is lying herself. She lives a totally different life off-screen, doesn't wear those humble dresses and no make up, but designer clothes and a lot of make-up. The enormous mansion of Daniel's daddy is also nearby and they go there often. And yeah they probably also went to Greece after all
She is being abused!! The problem is a lot of people don’t want to real listen and understand the dynamic and people don’t know how scary rich people are First she doesn’t have anything in her name Second the men is forcing her to have a lot of kids by refusing protection Third she is being mocked on public Example in her video when he give her a present she said airplane tickets husband lie to her yes your tickets and he give her an egg apron and he said you are welcome that is gaslight and pressure to force her to say thank you Also she doesn’t have her own bank account that speaks volumes and how much this woman is being controlled by him. People who have money they have access to many things and get away examples your bank accounts take your money and because they have connections if you go and sue them their connections erase those traits also they can take your papers and make you legally disappear I had a friend who went through and I saw how much corruption really was from the police to the judges even from neighbors how they lie because they got some cash. Because these people really can make you disappear and create a fake history that you end it yourself so to all women Rich people are worse than regular men the lengths they go are far worse and you are lucky if you get out alive
No, having 8 kids is not ok if "they start looking out for each other". I'm and older sister and don't wanto to be a mom or have kids because I already did...
It’s not an agenda if the journalist was communicating FACTS… and fact is, Daniel stalked Hannah at the start of their relationship. No ifs, ands or buts. If the couple have a problem with the journalist stating facts, maybe they should consider the foundation their marriage is built on 🤷♀️
The journalist "clarifying" her assessment is likely a concession made under threat. That cult is a very, very, very powerful and connected organization. If you don't have the money to stay in court for months or years you capitulate. So, her clarifications may mean nothing more than someone capitulating under the gun. I mean, the under-the-wire assumptions you have made about the journalist because in your estimation, who is she to have an opinion when she doesn't a kid? Even if you want to portray her as someone who has no bona fides because she doesn't have a kid, the thing that you, maybe conveniently, seem to ignore is the testimonies of the women who have had the kids, who had the hubby, who submitted to "tradition" and have left that cult, who concur with the journalists observations, who have said that that organization can and has made those women's lives pure, absolute hell because they left. Many women who dared to leave have had their lives utterly ruined and some have been stalked and threatened. They have been alienated from their children, tied up in legal cases for years. These cults have been described as almost mafia-like in their brutally coercive tactics.
The columnist essentially said the husband was boring and monopolized the conversation. Those are opinions, and fairly bland ones. Good luck getting that suit anywhere.
Smh these people swear the journalists twisted this 😂 swear it’s a hit piece this lady isn’t a child she doesn’t need her husband to answer questions just because their fairy tales ladies life isn’t what they thought 😂
Did you hide or delete your earlier video on this? I was about halfway through it this morning, but something came up so I had to come back to it, and now I can't find it. It's not in my watch history or on your page 😢
I understand the appeal of a country life, if I could do so, I certainly would. But how do I put this, isn't it disappointing for her to be married to someone so rich and live as if she were poor? They could easily pay 1 or 2 employees. And she could do only what she likes. Or maybe what she does is exclusively for social media, and the rest of the time she does have help.
Just highlight a list of objective facts in the article and decide for yourselves. For example, she never answered a question without looking to her husband for approval. This is a fact, agenda or no agenda.
I think since they’d put almost all this info out there before the article they probably did feel blindsided by the negative comments but it’s all there to see. People seem to be projecting a lot about this situation
Journalist here! Your subject will never know what your angle will be because it usually changes. If for example you had one angle but the interview reveals a different angle you will take that angle.
Yes this makes sense
Thanks for getting the truth out!!!! She needs to leave that man.
I think the article was true enough where it mattered: he harassed her for months, trapped her on a plane, some how feels has the right to make choices about how she manages her pain and gave her an egg apron for her birthday. That is all I care about.
Well you dont always know a person’s experience from the outside looking in sometimes. Not saying your wrong but it be like that
Thanks for writing the article. You did an amazing job
To the girl around 3:15 saying the journalist was trying to ask her questions one on one. It’s because it’s HER account and HER platform and the interview was supposed to be about HER
Right?! Her husband isn't the focus of the content created.
A lady in another video said the journalist should have only asked BF’s husband questions because they’re LDS, and he knows best. Lots of women agreed with her, and when I asked why cuz this is BF’s interview, they shut me down. The religious programming is real.
“Being an unmarried childless woman you don’t understand what being a farmer with 8 kids is like”
Well, she’s not really an actual farmer firstly
Secondly, it doesn’t matter if you don’t have the same lifestyle as the person you’re interviewing. You’re still observing them and asking the questions you have to ask. Why wasn’t this woman allowed time and space to do an interview without kids crawling all over her? Oh that’s right cause she has 8 of them with no help. That’s just the reality that was observed 🤷♀️
Why does that only apply to farm wives /SAHM? If we are going with that logic, it would make a journalist unsuitable to comment on a doctor's lifestyle , on a marine , on a traveller. May be the journalist is not the one with a preconceived notion here. It's rather projection on this woman's part . She has a preconceived notion about what a childless , unmarried , journalist's agenda would be.
@@nityasg2260 exactamente!
@@nityasg2260 exactly!
Oh yeah if only we understood what it is like to be a billionaire with 8 kids 😂😂
If Hannah's husband thinks this is going to make us think he's some good guy defending his wife he's got another thing coming. This lawsuit makes them both look even more insecure than they seemed already, which is saying a lot. I hope they enjoy seeing how the first amendment works in a court of law
i think he's more into protecting his image
people searched their LLC and she actually isn't on any paperwork. so she's not co-ceo or co anything and has no legal bearing over that 328 acre farm .. all her socials are under the name of HIS business.
This is a great point
Wow that's messed up
So she can’t ever leave, she’ll have nothing texcept full custody of 8 children smh
She's not the first mormon wife expiriencing this and surely not the last one.
These religious/ cult men love power play and feel entiteld to it since it's told to them for years from their churches.
@@AA-yc9dq No, she can leave. She’ll get alimony and child support, but she’ll get nothing from the business. She’s not trapped by any means.
lot of pick me women in this video 😬 definitely support women who chose these roles. He bought her an egg apron, and refuses to get her help for his hundred children.
I honestly can't finish the video. The takes are atrocious. 🤦♀someone even said that the journalist is GASLIGHTING. GASLIGHTING. 🤦♀🤦♀
@@ricaramos9631 😭😭 lmao
There is not a single good reason for a man of his means (literally billions built on fleets of private jets) to have his wife not have her own car as a means of some sort of access to the outside world. Mind you, SLC is 40 mins away so it's not like she's zipping away, living out the SATC life 😂 Even if it's purely for convenience or safety. My husband and I earn good money and with both working and living in central London (after being in Manhattan a few years), we don't need or want a car. But we've spoken about eventually moving out, even 30 mins door to door from downtown, and me potentially staying at home with the kids for their first few years. He's said in that case, "you're not going to be here sitting duck alone at the mercy of god knows who if there's an emergency with a kid or yourself," and we're definitely getting a car just for me even only for peace of mind. I understand it's not an option for every family and the woman usually pays the price (if a couple can only afford one car and the husband needs it as the primary breadwinner) in terms of feeling isolation and alienation. In this case, it doesn't make sense other than purely as a means to control and keep her there. With their means and resources, to not even have a car as a backup is abhorrent, honestly (I’d think it’d be completely reasonable for her to have it purely as her side to maybe drive out and get a break from it all from time to time).
@@ricaramos9631 On another video a bunch of religious women commenters said the journalist was biased and purposefully portrayed the husband in a bad light…. 🥴. Um, he did that to himself.
Y'all act like the egg apron is the only thing man has provided her 😂😂😂 insanity, truly, seek help.
So Mr Ballerina is angry that the internet is interneting. It's not the journalist's fault that he's a red flag.
Perfectly stated!
Lmao Mr ballerina 😂
Got his little Mormon ego hurt😂how tragic
That's a good point.
"Mr. Ballerina", lol.
07:00 Homegirl saying "Yeah, 4 kids is perfect, so the older kids watch the younger ones.".... Parentification of children is so odious to me. If you can't give each child equal attention, you shouldn't have so many!
This has always been a concern for me. Children should ALWAYS be allowed to be children, until they voluntarily decide to have their own.
Came here for this comment!! These people really hate kids and show it on the internet. The older ones can just take care of the others? What?? lol
Makes me want to scream
It’s incredibly important for children to grow up having an opportunity to LEARN how to take care of others! We grow up without any experience, then are expected to have our own children and take care of them perfectly. No, it doesn’t work that way. Children, that are growing up in big families, are incredibly lucky: they get to learn to be on their own, take care of others, get to experience parenting, take care of themselves, and grow up not becoming egocentric.
Single children, on the contrary, are suffocating by all the attention parents give them. They aren’t getting used to taking care of others, being independent, etc. And they grow up without the opportunity to learn to take care of small children and have difficulty parenting their own.
@@LolaSteininger What a delusional take! Congrats! Children can see how to take care of others by how their PARENTS take care of them! Not by them being parents as kids. Lol
Anyone who still thinks this is about the lifestyle and not the fact that Daniel literally stalked her and pressured her to marry him is out of their minds.
yup. anyone who thinks the rewrite is the truth is actually sad and probably too naive for social media.
That is called a man being a man and pursuing the woman. That’s an incredible trait that men have and we need more men to be like Daniel!
@@dreamkittyThe Times literally rewrites the Truth everyday to suit their woke narrative!
@@FoodFreedomUSAfound the stalker
@@FoodFreedomUSApfp checks out
He said if you want to dance, go dance. But she didn’t get to finish college… he married her within a few months, and she was pregnant a couple of months later… so how was she going to dance? And she asked for a studio and didn’t get it, like there wasn’t room on a 300+ acre farm?
For me, the worst, saddest, and most disgusting part of the article was when the husband had said that she always had another baby 9 months after the last one. That means that for the entirety of their marriage she's been pregnant. She's never had a moment's rest
You can't sue for # the truth . She posted what THEY said .
Exactly, she posted Exactly what was said.
Can't sue for an opinion either. And that's what the article was an opinion piece.
The audio of the interview literally sounded the complete opposite of the was written.
The journalist doesn’t have an agenda, she was just commenting on what she saw. Anybody would think it was weird for somebody to keep interrupting the person you came to interview. Hannah is the star and the journalist got the opportunity to interview her without seeing her through the lens of her husband. What Hannah does is a lot and people can see that. She’s tired and exhausted, but at the same time, I don’t doubt that she really truly loves her children. ❤
Let’s say she did have an agenda (for argument sake) One cannot fake body language , a person can lie but the face and body tell the truth. We don’t see crack a genuine smile unless she’s dancing. People want to politicise simple things just for argument sake.
“She was just commenting on what she saw.”
--her perception. Of a moment. In an interview with a stranger.
Not necessarily what the family dynamic is with one another in the comfort and privacy of their lives.
Did you listen to the raw footage from the podcast? Clearly not that woman lied
@@Letstalkaboutit2323body language is also a pseudo science for another argument's sake.
The fact that she corrected her first article by adding stuff that were conveniently left out literally proves her nasty agenda
A "hit piece" is bad. This wasnt bad, it was just revealing.
👍🏾🎯💯❤️
Yes. It actually seems like she did some good journalism.
Daniel is LIVING HIS DREAMS, SHE GAVE UP ALL OF HER DREAMS! THEY DIDN'T MAKE SACRIFICES SHE MADE SACRIFICES FOR HER MARRIAGE! NO SHE CAN'T SUE!
Daniel gave up his athletic carrier to support Hannah while she was in Juilliard. Like, you lot really just gobble up anything you read in the media...
You can't sue someone for writing an unflattering article.
Only if it contains wilfully false information or defamation of character.
12:30 article or not, it's HIS behavior that's telling! they way he talks to her, the way he presents her birthday gift and WHAT he gifts, etc. 🚩🚩🚩
There's nothing wrong with her stay at home mom lifestyle it's the fact that Daniel literally manipulated her into the position she's in now and Hanna is making the best of it. For fucks sake, he wouldn't even let her have her own ballet studio... he got her an APRON for her birthday.....
Exactly, he wanted her to have a natural birth. She had to hide the fact that she got an epidural when he wasn’t allowed.
That's so sad, a freaking egg apron! It's like he's making fun of her...😔
I'm sure that egg apron haunts her.
@@michellemurry2180he definitely is making fun of her and mocking her.
He let's her kids do ballet and makes her watch.
Its like they can do ballet but you can't because you are NOT ALLOWED!
@@borncute1070 what would you do in her situation? I'm asking for a friend?😅 (me)
I mean all the journalists did was points out observations. I don't think there was an agenda.
Usually they interview promising to give the POV you want and then do the article however they choose. (My boss was interviewed a lot due to being promised good PR and they were all hit pieces)
Exactly
Having an agenda is fine as a journalist. They'd have to prove she wrote something false (claimed to see a thing she didn't see) as truth is an absolute defence to libel. So no, they're not gonna :)
@cheyenne7982 that journalist wrote what she saw she could barely interview Hannah without her husband talking over her. Unless that journalist said something untrue everyone is mad that the life that they portray on insta isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
@SuperStella1111 Thanks , I just posted # truth can't be sued 😊❤
They are mad on the backlash…. If not the case, why wait to sue
I find it interesting that they're suing the journalist instead of creating an internet video 'debunking' her claims like most internet stars do.
@@decoraqueena6413 They aren't going to sue. No lawyer would take this case.
More like Daniel is mad at being exposed, and Hannah is siding with him to survive. Imagine if she used the article to argue against him - she might be forced to sign divorce papers and be left with nothing. While her family is well off too, I doubt she'd enjoy losing custody of her kids.
@@SuperStella1111 some shady one somewhere will, but they won't take it on contingency lol.
Daniel's FATHER is the one behind this, I bet you he didn't like the publicity and backlash so he's making sure to wipe this out as quick as he can.
You could be on to something there!
ooh! great point!!!
You have a point
then he should have raised his son better :))
You are one smart cookie. That's where the head is.
"They're making it look like they forced her, like it was the hand maiden's tail or something" 😂😂 girl , thats exactly what that is. Thank you I was looking for something to compare it to.
Even if the article had an "agenda", it doesn't change the fact that abuse survivors see tons of red flags in her marriage. I don't believe women with handprint bruises who claim they just fell down the stairs, and I don't believe that a Juilliard-trained ballerina would willingly give it all up to go play little house on the overpopulated prairie with a man who thinks an apron is a good birthday gift either.
The sad part is she was groomed for abuse in a religion that puts men in charge and only values women as wives and mothers. She probably does believe this is where she belongs, that she's doing "the right thing", but no one will _ever_ convince me she's truly happy. She might smile for the camera, but she's just making the best of a situation she doesn't feel like she can ever escape.
I knew this was coming.
And the women who actually believe the journalist has an agenda are lost
Lost asf😂😂
They’re just mad cause her life has been exposed there’s no lawsuit here. The journalist didn’t force her to answer the questions the way she did she simply asked she answered. She should’ve never agreed to the interview. These people are living a lie and now the world knows knock it off and get out your feelings
Why’re women mad at the journalist for writing EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAW? These women are outrageous. “She doesn’t understand what it’s like to have a child” okay, she can still say what she observes. She didn’t see any of that. Hannah was definitely forced into her marriage and her husband stalked her into it. She never said anything poorly about any one of them. She stated her observations. These other women are delusional.
Because they want to live this idealized fantasy life being a trad-wife and now that an online “trad-wife” they look up to is basically admitting that her life isn’t pretty, they’re freaking out. What’s wild are the women defending the husband making the story about him and saying women need to submit to their husbands, and let him be the leader. Are they women or little girls?
She needs to sue her husband for not taking her to Greece 😂😂😂😂
OMG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Maybe, now he will lol😅
He will for sure… it’ll be a special edition on TikTok 🥱
Imagine blaming the journalist for reporting what she saw
Well, if you are from the "Nazi Times" and go and visit an orthodox jewish family, imagine what that person would see. When you have an agenda or a view, it would be almost impossible to be unbiased.
This is such BS. I think i said this in your other video: A journalist writes what they see. She doesn’t owe them a puff piece or some beautifully written ode to their lifestyle. If I allow a journalist into my home, I better be ready to take whatever it is they write or say about the experience.
Thank you, we don't need to worship their privilege..
STOP it! 😂❤🎉
Gorgeously put. They actually thought the NYTimes was coming to give them a gold star of approval. Silly, silly rich people. The problem is not living in the real world. Rich people don't. If we think you're frigging weird, rich people, we will say so. Suck it, rich people ;)
My mother had 11 children, by the time she was done having kids, her womb would fall out and need tucked back up inside her. I have a friend that this happens too also. Their body starts literally falling apart. My one friend ended up getting her bladder tacked back up and her womb. WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF IN THE YEAR 2024, ITS BEYOND DISGUSTING AND EVIL!!! I bet with these kinds of "family" after mommy doesn't work as well as they think mommy should work, the daughters step up and take her place. We have seen this a thousand times. RUN LADIES!! RUN FROM THE HELL THEY CALL MARRIAGE.
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Yes, I mentioned prolapse in my comments too. I remember my OBGYN telling me (when I asked him what women used to do in the "olden days" about prolapse) that "Grandma used to sit in a corner by herself and stink". I couldn't get that image out of my head!
Her older kids already take care of the younger ones. She has several videos showing this.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 yes, but I was talking about when mommy can't do her wifely duties....... The daughters step up. just like LOT and his daughters. ALL ONE HAPPY FAMILY
@@marinaprosperinaoh gawd. Imagine having to live with yourself.
The woman talking about the journalists having an "agenda" is the one who would be on the trending Trad wife to poverty pipeline on tik tok. I see it.
I guarantee there is coercive control going on in that relationship.
With or without him, if he cared about her without any negative intentions, she would have completed her ballerina journey.
With everything that is going on with this article, one thing it taught me was to never let a man stop me from working my ass off on my dreams. I'm not giving up or sacrificing anything until I either pass or fail myself.
This random stranger is so proud of you. Wish I had your knowledge and forethought at your age. May your journey in life be blessed ❤️
4:40 The point is that WE DONT KNOW if this are her true feelings because he never left her side, for the entire four hours!!!
Did we learn nothing from the Duggards? 🤦🏽♀️
Hannah isnt an owner of any of the businesses, not even the farm itself. Shes just mere cattle to Daniel. She can sue all she wants.
And I don't even think she has the money she earns from TikTok because if she did, her dear husband wouldn't be out there gifting her aprons. She would buy it herself!
Hannah is trapped in every way possible, imo.
@@prettydigitaljournal I also wonder if she has any access to bank cards or if she can leave anytime she likes, bc she lives isolated, I wonder if she can drive a car?
The journalist was telling facts. They’re mad because it wasn’t portrayed the way they want it.
Women (very often) give up their entire life, personality, career, etc to be a “traditional wife”.
It seems like more people are offended that I don’t want kids. 😂sooo I beg to differ.
Thank you, i really glad you dont have kids. You can reach your dream and live a happy life. Also its good for the environment. Let those silly trad wives have kids with their loser husband all they want. You go girl! You considering tubes tied?
Ballerina Farm can sue all she wants but under defamation if what the novelist stated is true, it’s an absolute defense.
Something that stuck out to me, one of the girls said “it’s good to have at least 4 kids, because then they start looking after each other”…. -_- that’s abuse. I’m the middle child of 5, my older siblings did not look after me, in fact they would be outside of the house the instant they had the chance, because they were children and that’s how they think. But I took it upon myself to “play house” clean, cook, and look after other family members. I didn’t have a childhood and suffered from deep long lasting depression because of it. This is abuse.
I hope you've healed. I can relate. My parents planned to have 4 kids. 7 years later, an "accident" occurred: me. I'm not sure exactly who got me through infancy, but by age 5, I knew I was on my own, and if I had to ask for anything, I'd pay for it somehow. It was a scary and lonely childhood, but OTOH, I'm self-sufficient AF!!! LOL.
@@mizotter yes, it was very much seeing my siblings get to go to summer camp, getting violin lessons, while I literally wondered the streets and had to raise money for any extracurricular activity! But I also agree, I love my own company and am perfectly happy doing everything alone! And I learned I can push myself out of my comfort zone when sh*t hits the fan. Thank you for your empathetic response!
@@Loaf0fBread Loners unite!!! ....From a safe distance! LOL! I'm glad you're doing well!
I have one sister, and I was expected to raise her till I told my parents “no more” at 16. Anyone who parentifies their kids/expects them to raise their siblings is not fit to be a parent.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 I’m so sorry and I know parents in this situation, are usually overbearing with you and lax with your sister. Sometimes we don’t realize we lost our childhood until it’s long past gone.
"The farm was pretty and Hannah was calm so its all good, after 4+ kids they start to raise themselves" girl get UP
They’re sueing ? 😂😂😂😂 oh they big mad “😂 bet it was his idea lol
That's what people are speculating since the writer put out a second article to "clear things up"
They can try to sue. They got nothing, I promise you.
@@lifewithmelonieI mean for Gods sakes the man got her a damn egg apron instead of a vacation…but we’re supposed to believe she’s happy and content…..I can barely handle my ONE child ….ONE and he’s a handful 😫😫 I can’t imagine 7!!!
@@SuperStella1111right
So many people just seem upset that the dream they had about his creator is not what they thought it was.
Im listening to the WW reply, and what they find "inspirational" about her is looking pretty for the male gaze after giving birth and baking, and the labor she does on the farm. They rarely mention that she is doing all this on her own, that she's running a business, or that she is doing it on her own because her husband makes her!
Sure, she chose this life, but when you put it online, you invite EVERYONE to se and make comments, and if they don't see it how you present it, that's not their fault. She looks like a servant in her household, and that's how her husband wants her. He wants her pretty enough to sleep with, but too tired from all her labor to actually think about herself. That's cruel.
One commenter online said "The cruelty is the point". And it is. This man wanted to stop her trajectory in life, and he did. She is the ultimate prize for him in that respect.
Spot on. They’re mad her life isn’t what she portrays. So many women think trad-life is pretty dresses, fun with the kids, taking care of their man, but it’s servitude and always being under a man. It’s not a pretty reality no matter how aesthetic one tries to make it. All of these trad-wife influencers don’t even live the way they preach, and most are the bread winner of their family.
The logic for her children being attached to her throughout the interview is that the baby is 6 months old ? Have these people cared for 6 month old babies ? It's not a joey in the pouch . Babies that age ( or any age ) can be handled by other family members for a few hours unless they need a feed .
At 6 months old, most career mothers in the US have returned to work full-time.
He some kind of way BAMBOOZLED her into that life! He stalked her. he won't even allow her to have EPIDURALS that is no way to live
She turned him down for 6 months. He literally stalked her into a relationship 😂
Daniel/his father saying the article "painted them in a bad light just for clicks and views" gives the air of DARVO (from Google: "DARVO is an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender", a manipulative tactic used by perpetrators to avoid responsibility for harmful behavior. It's often used in abusive relationships, such as domestic abuse or sexual assault, when the perpetrator is confronted by their behavior.")
The journalist, I imagine, was trying to get the story from Hannah, but Daniel couldn't leave well enough alone. He probably knows the subjugation he puts her through is questionable (deep down, way deep down), and he probably feared what would happen if his property--I mean wife--spoke to another adult woman that wasn't indoctrinated in the Mormon cult alone.
Hannah said a lot in what little she could say.
Edited to add: One article sounds sanitized for public consumption, like a PR firm released it, and the other actually sounds like someone wrote it.
Oh wow, the owner of Jet Blue did not like the negative comments...😅😂
If the things that came out were exactly what happened, then they just didn't like the mirror that was held up to them.
ballerina is the one who's account is named after, she is the one who's always in front of the camera, and she's the one whom the journalist wanted a ONE ON ONE interview with ... so of course the journalist would want to interview ballerina ON HER OWN without her husband as a chaperon breathing down her neck...
and lets say that she 100% wanted all of this, the way her husband literally stalked and trapped her into the marriage - that alone is a HUGE red flag... the guy probably had his rich daddy pull some strings to trap her on that plane with him when they first met, and she KEPT TELLING HIM NO, but he still wouldn't listen ... its not like she had a fear of commitment or anything, she just didn't like him ... but he went along and stalked her until she gave in ...
this is why so many of us have forgone relationships and marriages altogether ... we don't want to be forced into something we don't want, and we sure as hell don't want to be ran through the ground till we finally drop dead from exhaustion ... just watch, when they reach their 50s (that is if she's still alive and healthy) he will start looking for the next youngest and prettiest thing and he'll abandon her with their kids ... i also heard that she doesn't have her name on any contract or lease or any money? yeah, lets just hope her life doesn't end in disaster. hopefully the money she gets from social media is in HER bank account and not his/their joint one.
also, the "new & improved" article is most definitely done by Daniel's daddy pulling some strings to have them in a better light ...
being a stay at home mom is wonderful, when the woman is 100% on board, has some help if they're a lot of kids, and MOST IMPORTANTLY has her own money/source of income... do not, i repeat, DO NOT be 100% financially dependent on your husband. you can't trust your husband (or wife) 100% . there needs to be a healthy 1% of doubt; mostly when it comes to finances.
Let's get this straight, the man is a walking 🚩🚩🚩
It almost sounds like the journalist did not write the second article...
Of course it was biased. Of course no one is threatened by Hannah's decision to 1. Dropout of Juilliard 2. Have 8 kids 3. Be married to Daniel.
Many Gen Y and most of Gen Z aren't jealous of Hannah Neeleman. And anyway she sacrificed her dreams of being a ballerina for "eternal life" lol. That's what Mormons believe. So grown adults, you can stop infantilizing this 'tradwife' now. Its pathetic. Hannah is thriving with her husband and her 8 kids. THRIVING!
She's a hostage on a guilded cage. She's not living her life, she's living HIS!!!
wowing sueing, like dont you get acess to the journalism before it gets published?
That’s a great question 🤔🤔🤔
No you don't. Unless you are a politician (and even then you have to pull some strings), it will get published whether or not you want it to.
I mean, the NYT isn’t going to put themselves at risk by publishing slander. The author must have had substantial evidence to back her claims.
@@jewdy8915 It's not thr NYT. The Times is from the UK.
So many pick-me's 😂
I think that the writer did not go with the image that they try to portray. They didn’t want the reporter to talk to her alone & she said something different when he wasn’t around.
This woman doesn’t have a room to her self in her own home that is on acres of land. Her stuff is in the garage!!!! She can’t afford to go on vacation and her husband won’t take her on one.
Depending on your bias you will see thi story different ways. My biggest takeaway is CAN WE STOP IDEALISING PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. In general, for any reason. If you admire a certain life choice be it stay at home mother, farming, CEO, laywer whatever find someone in REAL LIFE to befriend and look up to. What you learn will be far more valuable than anyone on the internet.
I believe the journalist had an agenda. However, two things can be true at the same time. It is also quite clear that Hannah, in ten, maybe twenty, maybe, even thirty years, is going to be someone who regrets the choices she made in her younger years. This marriage, apart from giving her children who I'm sure she loves benefits her in no way, and her body and soul are going to continuously be worn down for a long time. Let's not forget that they are Mormon. All her life she has been surrounded by girls who got married after high school or during or immediately after college. It doesn't matter how famous she is. She is religious, and religion is a huge part of what keeps women in a marriage and acts as a block to any logical thinking. As long as he is not physically abusing her, the probability of her seeing any other signs of emotional abuse traits like his selfishness and how inconsiderate he is of her feelings is very low. This is why I say in twenty, maybe even thirty years, she will probably regret a lot. I do not think we should pity her or keep talking about her. Right now, she is still so young, not for a while, will she realise what has been done to her. I hope when she does, she comes out to say something, but I think we should leave her alone. The journalist had an agenda, it is quite clear to see as there were ways to have just stated what she saw and experienced without casting judgement, it still doesn't mean that what she wrote is untrue.
This is not a lifestyle I could sustain. If she is happy bless her and hers. However, after reading the article, this writing was non partial. She only gave a timeline of questions, answers, and events. There were no personal opinions stated. Only facts. If you have an opinion about it it is the construction of your own mind. Don't shoot the messenger
Some of the reactions to this Ballerina Farm stuff are so over done. I don't have an issue with the journalist at all. If anything Hannah and her husband need to reflect on the content they post and why they signed up for the interview in the first place. The video of her getting an egg apron alone corroborated parts of the article. The bigger issue I saw was not how she lives or her faith but moreso how her husband doesn't convey true love and care for her as a person and as a mother. He is lacking an empathy gene if he can speak to his wife's extreme exhaustion and do nothing about. Or when he can't give her a gift but only items to do more work, or the fact that before she can respond he is making a point that she should be grateful by telling her "your welcome" before she can say thanks.
They chose to put their life on display and they need to deal with the consequences of that - whether the feedback is positive or negative.
The only thing I think the journalist is negligent is how she opened her article in setting the stage of her insights and maybe a lack of consideration for the fact she didn't really get to see how they live and that her words could have a negative effect on her living environment - depending on the true nature and type of person Hannah and her husband are.
The journalist's response sounded coerced, not genuine and that would make sense based on who the extended family is and the impact to their lives.
I am on SSI disability. I am poor. But I could buy my own egg apron. Where did they get that from Temu? That's the kind of thing she should have been able to order herself. It should have been one of her choirs to order the tools she needs. Where is her household budget account? I am sorry but normally SAHM have an account with household money. It's not an amazing life. I can't imagine.
I don't know what happened during the interview. But raising 8 kids on the farm and her job as contract creator is a lot, I don't know why she doesn't have childcare and house help. We all know we have the income for that. Probably they don't have any help there so people wouldn't know what going there.
Everybody who is calling out this woman for having this peaceful and tranquil life with 8 KIDS is calling bullshit. Thre is no peace with that many kids. It is physically impossible to do everything for 8 kids AND a husband AND grow your own food AND run a business. I am speaking as someone who was brought up growing their own food, and I've also had to care for 3 kids. You can't do all that. Unless she's running on 3 hours of sleep, days starting at 3am and has the heart of iron. She and her abus!ve stalker creep husband are gaslighting us all thinking we are stupid.
....Hope she goes to Greece soon just saying.....
They’re angry because the journalist took THEIR answers, as well as factual observations… and people made real judgments based on that information… and their own actual knowledge. Their trying to scapegoat the journalist 🙄
One thing I can't wrap my head around is why do they keep acting as if Julliard trained ballerinas dont have successful careers???
True, people keep saying how difficult it would be for her to have a career
I wonder what kind of life she'd/they'd have if she gave up the social media and internet sales work? If the articles are such "hit pieces" that they want to sue, go back to doing you, and stop making your life palatable for the social media masses.
I have a thought. How about people just stop watching her content. IF she was allegedly forced against her will then what can any of us do about it.
Her relationship is ultimately her business, but let’s call a spade a spade - she got a secret epidural when her husband wasn’t around to stop her. Taking away your ability to make your own medical decisions is ABUSIVE even if she “consents” to the relationship, and both she and the women doing mental gymnastics to defend her are trying to normalize it “just a lifestyle choice”. Yeah, it is - a shitty, abusive choice that is difficult for most women to get out of and that ballerina farm sells for literal money online. It’s not about saving her, at least for me - we have to warn younger women about the reality of this lifestyle, because ballerina farm is not proving a realistic expectation, and a lot of ex trad wives have ended up broke or worse giving everything to their husbands and families without a backup plan. Talking about these things is important, and btw I have literally never watched a single ballerina farm vid in my life.
@@Deus_ex_lucifina oh ok. Best of luck to all...I suppose.
If this article was about her and and only her, her husband and kids would not have been in the room.
With all that money she still doesn’t have a dance studio. By the sound of it dance ballet is a big part of her life
They cnt sue for defamation all the journalists did was describe what happened when she was interviewing and added facts. It wasn’t a hit peace. Ppl just put two and two together. Stating in the new article that she is basically sweet and loves being a mother does not negate the fact that the dude basically loved bombed her and stole her light. She could have been a ballet star but became a housewife. Maybe she believes she decided on her own. However there was clear manipulation at play.
IMO the journalist should have written the second article. She did nothing wrong.
Now this lady in the video is full of shit. Just because he says oh you can keep dancing doesn’t mean he means it. You do knw that’s a basic manipulation tactic by narcissistic so the victim thinks it’s their idea. 101 manipulation.
I saw the first article in The Sunday Times. I didn't give it a close read because honestly, I couldn't care less. However, a few points that I picked up was Daniel's comment how Hannah seems to be ready for another baby 9 months after she had had a previous one. (Really??) I also picked up on the fact that she told Daniel she wanted to finish Julliard, which didn't happen. She also gets no outside help, although Daniel does help out with the kids. He made the comment that she wears herself out occasionally, leaving her to have to spend days (or a week) in bed. She mentioned also that it was Daniel's dream to be a farmer. Was she brainwashed? Maybe more from growing up Mormon than from her husband, which I'm pretty sure touts the man as the head of the household. To each their own. I think childbirth is extremely hard on the body; who knows if as the years go by it will cause prolapse of the uterus or bladder. It certainly can.
I don’t know much about these people but from what I can tell the angle was pretty rude. Imagine sharing what you think is a happy home with wholesome children and you get portrayed as some tired maid with rugrat ankle biters that don’t know how to conduct themselves when company is over. Also getting accused of being abused over and over again by the internet and now a journalist you thought was genuinely interested in you and your life story.
Plus I am not sure if most people know this but dancers don’t have a long career, bad she always knew she would make sacrifices when she decided to have a family. Not to mention she insisted that she leave being a ballerina after getting married.
Not every marriage is perfect and it may seem weird to some but they seem happy albeit a bit exhausted. She’s not a child and being a ballerina may have been her dream but perhaps not her only dream? She is allowed to change her mind and give up something for another dream.
I do notice her husband may be a bit less selfless than her like come on you can take your wife on a trip to Greece. 😅
Plus the journalist did have a fixed mindset about who she was interviewing, maybe not an agenda but clear bias towards her interview subjects.
The journalist reported on what Hannah said. You can’t be mad when the reality shows a different picture than what’s in your head.
I think every woman who’s defending ballerina farm is really actually defending Daniel. Here is why they missed the point:
Being pick me’s for Daniel won’t make another guy pick you for this lifestyle that you idolize. Daniel controls every aspect of her life In the larger sense. She does not have the power to leave and she gave up her career, is In pain when she gives birth unless Daniel isn’t their and Daniel abused his power in order to start a relationship with her. It isn’t “romantic” and women with low self esteem will always defend a man under the guise of a woman having a choice if they envy that woman for her lifestyle.
Okaaayyy... Still didn't erase the fact that we've seen and heard what we've seen and heard.
Hannah owns nothing, she is just working for free for her husband. I am pretty sure, it's his jobless husband who wants to sue the journalists, I don't think hannah have enough time for cooking and cleaning for 8 to do the paperwork 😅 And mormon women aren't allowed to have money. So, I am sure his husband hired her for being a bangmaid. The difference between working 9-5 vs working at home is, working women gets paid and only work till 5 meanwhile tradwives don't get paid for working entire day and they get egg apron as a present 🤭💀 i have nothing but empathy for that woman.
She's not doing fantastic. Her husband is doing fantastic. Tell me she has legal ownership, in writing, of an equal part of that business, I'll totally retract my statement.
I haven’t read both articles but I know people who live this lifestyle will defend it even when it is a hurt to themselves. However even though I haven’t read it I believe the third commenter. I’ll
Read it and come back
Shes filthy rich wtf 😂😂😂 if im drowning in money you bet your behind im not going to work.
Women for millennia--until very recent history in western culture-raised 8+ children without help.
It blows my mind that people think we need nannies and service providers.
Many cultures today draw within their families and communities to raise their families. Some do it alone.
This is nothing new. We just judge it with our entitled, narrow view of what life is, completely forgetting there is a world outside of us.
Women didn’t rise their kids on their own. They had the oldest children be parents to their younger siblings, and is it not help when you’re delegating the task of child rearing to other family members? The only difference is you don’t pay the people you’re related to. This was a bad take.
It shocks me every time I see women defending other women's abusers. But it was useful in some way, it helped me identify and block quite a lot of low-key anti-woman influencers and UA-camrs.
Very rich coming from Hannah. She is lying herself. She lives a totally different life off-screen, doesn't wear those humble dresses and no make up, but designer clothes and a lot of make-up. The enormous mansion of Daniel's daddy is also nearby and they go there often. And yeah they probably also went to Greece after all
She is being abused!! The problem is a lot of people don’t want to real listen and understand the dynamic and people don’t know how scary rich people are
First she doesn’t have anything in her name
Second the men is forcing her to have a lot of kids by refusing protection
Third she is being mocked on public
Example in her video when he give her a present she said airplane tickets husband lie to her yes your tickets and he give her an egg apron and he said you are welcome that is gaslight and pressure to force her to say thank you
Also she doesn’t have her own bank account that speaks volumes and how much this woman is being controlled by him.
People who have money they have access to many things and get away examples your bank accounts take your money and because they have connections if you go and sue them their connections erase those traits also they can take your papers and make you legally disappear I had a friend who went through and I saw how much corruption really was from the police to the judges even from neighbors how they lie because they got some cash.
Because these people really can make you disappear and create a fake history that you end it yourself so to all women Rich people are worse than regular men the lengths they go are far worse and you are lucky if you get out alive
No, having 8 kids is not ok if "they start looking out for each other". I'm and older sister and don't wanto to be a mom or have kids because I already did...
We aren't afraid of other women. We are afraid of giving too much power back to MEN. That girl was so dumb
5:58 she needs a reality check because no girlie
To the second girl, A person telling other women how they "should" feel is abuse, btw
That journalist was doing her job! It was an article which exposed this insecure and needy influencer couple as their truly authentic selves.
They are going to sue over the TRUTH? 🙄😮💨
It’s not an agenda if the journalist was communicating FACTS… and fact is, Daniel stalked Hannah at the start of their relationship. No ifs, ands or buts. If the couple have a problem with the journalist stating facts, maybe they should consider the foundation their marriage is built on 🤷♀️
The journalist "clarifying" her assessment is likely a concession made under threat. That cult is a very, very, very powerful and connected organization. If you don't have the money to stay in court for months or years you capitulate. So, her clarifications may mean nothing more than someone capitulating under the gun. I mean, the under-the-wire assumptions you have made about the journalist because in your estimation, who is she to have an opinion when she doesn't a kid? Even if you want to portray her as someone who has no bona fides because she doesn't have a kid, the thing that you, maybe conveniently, seem to ignore is the testimonies of the women who have had the kids, who had the hubby, who submitted to "tradition" and have left that cult, who concur with the journalists observations, who have said that that organization can and has made those women's lives pure, absolute hell because they left. Many women who dared to leave have had their lives utterly ruined and some have been stalked and threatened. They have been alienated from their children, tied up in legal cases for years. These cults have been described as almost mafia-like in their brutally coercive tactics.
Just leave the lady and her sad marriage.
If you lose reputation after factual statements.... then it's no difamation but the consecuences of the truth and reality...
The columnist essentially said the husband was boring and monopolized the conversation. Those are opinions, and fairly bland ones. Good luck getting that suit anywhere.
I'm still confused as to what was spun
Smh these people swear the journalists twisted this 😂 swear it’s a hit piece this lady isn’t a child she doesn’t need her husband to answer questions just because their fairy tales ladies life isn’t what they thought 😂
Did you hide or delete your earlier video on this? I was about halfway through it this morning, but something came up so I had to come back to it, and now I can't find it. It's not in my watch history or on your page 😢
It’s back now ☺️
People are mad when others can see beyond their veil, maybe she’s happy we will never know
I understand the appeal of a country life, if I could do so, I certainly would. But how do I put this, isn't it disappointing for her to be married to someone so rich and live as if she were poor? They could easily pay 1 or 2 employees. And she could do only what she likes. Or maybe what she does is exclusively for social media, and the rest of the time she does have help.
Just highlight a list of objective facts in the article and decide for yourselves. For example, she never answered a question without looking to her husband for approval. This is a fact, agenda or no agenda.
I think since they’d put almost all this info out there before the article they probably did feel blindsided by the negative comments but it’s all there to see. People seem to be projecting a lot about this situation