He really nailed it. I’ve been using 5DsR for a few years now, and I made that choice because I do so much aerial photography, where that high resolution really has a purpose, but the down side is definitely the noise performance of the sensor in lower light situations. This has been seen in some other very high pixel-density sensors as well, including the pricey Phase One. I am at the point where I would not actually recommend the 5DSR unless you have a specialty application like aerial or scientific photography where you really need it, or you are always shooting in perfectly controlled conditions, where you can avoid the noise. I hesitate to use it at anything above 800 ISO.
Best review ever of the 5DS/R hands down! You went straight for the core points about this 50MP camera. Wasn't terribly impressed with that interview but later on you killed it by yourself! You are a very clever man indeed! Congrats and best wishes.
up until last week had the 5ds r and amazed by the detail in every shot. unfortunately got stolen last week with my 5dmrk2 and 4 L lenses and insurance dragging their feet so was looking at a quick replacement in the meantime. was going to get the 5dsr again then looked back at the last 20 jobs I've done and everything was used on websites including an ecommerce site at 540x540 pixels. to be honest not one client mentioned anything when going from 5dmrk2 to the 5ds r well one did he complained the files were too big ! looking back over old photos on the 5dmrk2 I'm now asking why i upgraded at all as the 5dmrk2 files still have so much detail. I do regular case studies for a client that sells door handles, hinges etc for some amazing buildings and recently went to their new office and they had completely covered one wall, about 4m x 2.5m with one of my 5dmrk2 images of an interior i did for them and it was sharp as a tack. i think we all get a bit obsessed with the number of pixels. I've been round the block from canon to hasselblad to phase one then back to canon. now considering just buying another 5dmrk2 !
5d Mark ii is hard to beat, the images I get from it just get better as I’ve owned it and no one complains. The extra mega pixels is great, yet if someone steals my camera I’m sure I’ll just get another 5d Mark ii.
Been a professional portrait photographer for over 18 years. Published in many magazines, websites, books and newspapers. Funny thing that I actually don't want all those details. Ultra ultra sharp camera's are not my cup of tea. If you see every red dot on the skin, every wrinkle in a face or on lips, every single hair out of place, it makes for much more effort going into post production. I have more high end camera's but most of my best shots are still being made with my 5dmark 2. Especially women are much more flattering with a softer focus. As long as the eyes are sharp i'm good. Besides, unless your photo's are being used for huge billboards, even the 5d Mark 1 and 2 are still plenty sharp. With that said, I can appreciate a good razor sharp picture, just not for portraits unless you want to accentuate wrinkles and such. So to 99%, of the buyers i would even advise the Mark 3 over the Mark 4. Keep the extra money and buy a good lens. Yes the mark 4 is better, but do you need it? If it comes down to making beautiful portraits The Mark 2 or 3 + a solid f1.4, 1.8 prime or even the brilliant L 70 200 2.8IS, will serve pretty much all your needs and more. Even in 2021. The nr1 trick to making great photo's and being published is not about owning the newest most expensive camera. Far from it. If done correctly your employers won't even notice the difference between a cheapo camera and the most expensive one. It's aIl about making beautiful pictures. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy a good camera because you should! But just remember the beauty of a picture is not in the equipment but in the photographer. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for sharing. Great video.
@@Sondercreative Thanks :). And yeah I understand it was not the point of your video. Your video is a great comparison between the 2, I get that. My comment should be seen separate from your video topic! It was ment for people in general which are looking at these sort of video's and all of a sudden think they need the most expensive of the 2 in order to make good sharp photo's. On a daily basis I see locals and tourist shooting with the most expensive camera's and lenses while all they need is a good camera phone. Extremely overkill for what they are shooting. Like driving a nascar or F1 car to the grocerie store. And their photo's still suck....😂Anyhoeee...again, great video, keep it up my friend! Always enjoy your video's.
Love my 5 DS R. Great for astrophotography, sports, wildlife, and landscapes. Use it for architecture, macro, and portrait. No complaints! I highly recommend it.
John P it is such an incredible camera I absolutely love using it and seeing the detail it can produce. Thank you for watching John, really appreciate it.
I had two 5DSR's and a 5D4 plus eleven of Canon's best lenses. The DSR can make some pretty high res files, especially when using a Zeiss Otus. Just hold it steady when you have good light. The 4 is more versatile with better dynamic range. I travel a lot in an RV and keep multiple cameras attached to lenses at the ready. If I were forced to only have one of the two cameras, I would take the 4. Now having said all of that, I sold all the Canon gear in 2018 for one Leica SL and a 24-90 plus a 90-280. That was a good decision as my hit rate improved as did image quality. I was also able to downsize from 3 rolling cases to 2 rolling cases. What's in the second case, you ask? My Leica S medium format camera. I've been shooting for 50 years. If I could go back to around 1980, I think I would rather have had one Leica and one lens than a couple of Nikons and multiple lenses, although my Nikonos V was a great camera.
Than you so much for making this video! You provided the defining information that made me 100% comfortable & happy with my purchase of the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV.
thanks. after i lost my mark3. i just bought a $600 mark2 on craigslist and i've gotten some decent images out of it. but for 2 months i was debating what to buy whether mark 4 or 6d mark2, or 5dsr or even switching to sony all together. i shoot landscapes mainly and i plan to sell my prints in large sizes. so your review helped me decide! and i ordered 5dsr today! awesome!
Great review! As a 5D4 owner I'd like to make a few comments. On a recent trip I actually tried to use the Wifi to backup the camera in the field, but it was a disaster. Basically the battery which would normally be good for 900 shots gives up the ghost after 250 or so. And, on top of that, when back at the camp for the evening, the wifi only runs on the 2.4 GHz band is thus is pretty slow verses just popping the card out and into a reader to copy out the pictures. So I found the wifi to be considerably less useful than I thought it would be. I didn't want to waste the battery life in the field, and it took too long to backup photos over it back at camp. So I'd call it a no-go. Just too slow. I don't own the 5DSR but on the last trip I would have liked more than 30MP. One of the other guys had a high-end Nikon, near 40MP sensor plus a 500mm prime (I had 5D4 with the 100-400mm telephoto). The combinationn of 40MP and 500mm made a huge difference verses 30MP and 400mm. But in comparing the photos closely, I think just boosting the Canon to 40MP would have made the comparison a lot closer on the shots that already had good light. Sharpness wasn't the issue, honestly. That is, ignoring the other advantages of a 500mm prime and just looking at the result in good light long distance shots. (Not all was lost, the 100-400 is a lot more mobile so I could get shots that he couldn't, but for slow-moving birds or far-away birds, he had a huge advantage). And I should say that I also own the 6D, and having 30MP in the 5M4 verses the ~20MP in the 6D was also a big step up. So I do kinda wish the 5DM4 ran 40MP. AF is really excellent for fast-moving targets. Having the low-pass filter wasn't as big a problem as I thought it would be... Canon's DLO (either in-camera or in their software) really clears up off-center focus nicely and also helps more than I thought it would with sharpness, even in the center. Particularly when I had to pull 2048-bit-wide crops out my pictures. Canon's eye detection at center-spot could use with a firmware fix, though. It tends to focus on the eyelid and not the eye. The dual-pixel AF is also excellent. The dual-pixel RAW storage feature, though, is garbage. It just isn't worth 80MByte RAW files and slower shot rate. I don't really do video so I can't comment on the 4K other than the 'Motion JPEG? Really CANON????'. There is a rumored firmware update that will fix the other complaints I've read about (crop and lack of C-LOG). That said... I'm mostly into stills for books, so... Overall, I'm happy with my 5DM4. It's a big step-up from my previous camera, the 6D (and I also have a 5D2). I still use all three. But at the same time I think Canon is still behind Nikon by at least two years and I wish they would pick up their game. I'm too invested in lens to switch. -Matt
Really enjoyed watching your video, thank you. I sold my 5D mark III last week with the thought to replace it with the mark IV until I noticed the £400 cheaper price of the 5DSR. I do macro and studio photography so 5DSR it is for me:-)
The 5DSR is such an amazing camera, I'm so glad you got a great deal on it. I'm sure you're gonna be able to create some amazing photos with it :). Thank you for watching and for the comment.
One of the best camera reviews I've watched. Thanks so much for making the important things clear and giving great examples of both. Has definitely helped
Thank you!, This absolutely made me confident about which way I need to go. It couldn't have been more helpful! For me, it is really the 5D Mark IV, but I didn't really have all the specific info I needed. You cleared that all up.
Ive been watching so many videos and reading articles about both of these and this is the best video about the vs of these two camera. I know the specs difference but you actually showed the difference between them with examples and really told the honest truth about image quality. The 5DSR has more mp but who's honestly going to need that unless your printing a billboard. Thank you sir.
Great comparison, correct me if I'm wrong here but I would say that the 5DS is less forgiving and less suited to motion where the focal point would change. The 5DS from what you've said feels like it is much less forgiving if the shot is not quite bang on. I have the 5DIV and love it. The WiFi as was mentioned is a feature I really wanted, I love having the ability to pull a photo off my camera inb the middle of what i'm shooting and send it to the person I just shot via air drop on my phone or whatsapp/wechat/what ever, people seem to really appreciate this and it adds a little bit of extra satisfaction from shooting.
Finally a good review comparing two similar cameras (the ones I'm looking into getting) I feel like the 5dsr would be great for wildlife on my 100-400 ii, I guess I'll have to wait and see, have a good day!
Your video has truely helped me. I was confused about megapixel monster 5dsr vs upgrade 5d iv. For an amateur the 5d iv will definitely suit me. Great video.
Thank you for watching Scott, I hope you found my video useful. Both cameras are fantastic performers. I really appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment.
Mike Pulido You're very welcome, thank you so much for watching. They are both fantastic cameras so I'm with you, it is a bit difficult to decide between the two.
I shoot all aerials, have used all canon pro bodies, currently have the 1DX and have the 5dsr/w grip, don't like the small body but thinking of getting another 5dsr as as back up, I don't need all the added options the 4 offers. great video very professional, thanks for you time.
Great film and I need to get to Leeds soon. So here is how I use Canon. Since 2006 I have used Canon 1DsMKIII and 7DMKII as its side kick with film all over UK and EU for commercial clients, I have sold and printed prints up to 30ft x 20ft and nobody ever complained. I have moved onto 5DIII amazing camera, 5DIV just great for everything and the EOS R for film and 10 bit recording for TV with my C300MKII both 4k 10bit. I sold the 5Div after a year and bought the 5DsR for DPS magazine shoots and it does the business, in fact I bought the 5Ds and had it for 2 magazine shoots and replaced it for the 5DsR. If you want a camera that can do everything almost perfect then the 5Div is the one, If you want dynamic range then EOSR delivers in spades, I use it on a Ronin gimble for magazine TV channels with the C300 MKII as unit one camera. What you say here is so right, with the 5ds R if you nail focus you nail perfection, if you slightly off the mark then you are never going to fix it. The EOS R is more a camera to use for either film or stills but switching between the two a full pro standard can leave you with ‘I wish I had used something else’ like 5DIV or 5DsR. So, I will leave you with this, the 5DsR Is a full pro photographers’ camera and when its goo its fantastic.
opening up a lens to maximum aperture is usually the worst part of the lens and a bad test condition as the alias filter is in mk4 is playing a part here. The 5DSR is a tripod camera, landscapes or studio due to the increased pixel density you will find it a lot harder to get critical focus. The Mk4 is an all rounder. Considering A3 is 3508 pixels x 4961 pixels you will see the Mk4 at 6720 x 4480 has plenty of room to crop. Unless you print really big I wouldn't get the 5Dsr, or get it as a second body. Even in landscape the mk4 has better dynamic range which will render better skys than the 5Dsr. Both great cameras as colours fantastic and the 5Dsr will save you a lot of money, but shoot more steadily with higher shutter.
If you/anyone in general is in need of the resolution, I'd skip the 5DSR and shoot large format with a digital back. The Mk 4 is a better camera for "most" uses. The SR adds a lot of phaff in order to gain a few pixels, while adding a lot of limitations such dynamic range, noise etc. Large format and medium format also are more difficult to use, but you get far more benefits in terms of other things, not only including the digital image quality, but also (depending on the type of camera) other things like camera controls (rise/fall, shift etc).
Thanks for this! I found it really useful! Canon have made it a nightmare to pick the right camera these days, but I think the 5D mkIV is the sensible choice for me!
Thank you so much for the effort you put into making this video! I agree with your findings and think this will make life easier for a lot of people :)
Once again, a very informative video! I'm pretty firmly tied up with MFT at the moment, but besides photographing a little bit of everything, I also go in for tracking mount type astrophotography,so I'd go with the mark IV: anything I have to adjust on a camera during the day is always worse at under a dark sky with no light, and the mark IV seems to be a more flexible choice in that respect. Already looking forward to your next video!
Garryb thank you again for such a lovely comment, I look forward to seeing them now. MFT cameras these days are amazing, I think they could hold a large portion of the market very soon. If you're ever around Leeds, please let me know we can grab a coffee and talk cameras.
I don't know what features canon is holding back. The 5D IV has everything I need in a camera. So for me canon is not giving me the finger it's giving me a high five.
clickonmike Comes down to expectation I guess. Considering what else is available in the market many people including myself felt a little short changed by Canon because they have offered severely crippled video features on this camera. I know some people will say it's not a video camera, but, it is. They even discuss and stress how important video shooters are to them when discussing the mark IV. If you're happy with it then I'm happy for you. But considering what else is available this is a middle finger from Canon to many of their customers.
Most videographers in the world do not shoot movies. DSLRs and similar mirrorless type cameras are not just for photos. It would similar to suggest that the iPhone is only to make phone calls. Technology evolves and that mentality is outdated.
But cell phones are not used for professional photography either... so Canon 6D2 not having the best tech for video shooting is not a big deal for those that appreciate Canon for more than just video taking. Reliability is important too...those Sony cameras have many issues that Sony has yet to address.
The point about cell phones was that technology evolves and a certain piece of tech doesn't do just one thing. Allot of people like to hide behind the argument of how DSLRs are for photos, well that's simply not true. DSLRs are now used for both photos and video and are judged on both factors. Saying it isn't, doesn't change the reality of the situation.
Time flies fast - did you see B&H has the 5DSR on sale for $1,500 - talk about middle fingers to the customer! I'd hate to have paid full retail! Not that this is an issue with any recent cameras but the touch screen of the 5D4 is useful for navigating menus quick. I found setting up the 5DSR I kept reaching for the screen.
Thanks so much for this. I have gone back and forth on this. In the end I waited and got the 5D Mark IV but still often look at the 5DSR to add to my kit. I did get the 42 Megapixel Sony A7RII back awhile instead of the 5DSR because I thought I would use it for Video but that's never really happened. Also did want to try the EVF and IBIS to help focusing when using my Tilt and Shift 24 and 17 and for working with smaller primes but the extra cost of maintaining two system has gotten to be a burden so I wonder more and more about adding the 5DSR. Steve
No problem. It's amazing how all of your videos have thousands and thousands of views. But your sub count is still so low. Like WTF! Anyways please keep up the great work!
I've watched allot of video comparisons today. Your video just answered (at 12:05) the annoying question Iv'e been asking myself for the past week. Great work!!
I do agree that a higher Mpix camera will give you a sharper image, but what I'm seeing in the comparison is a difference in the DOF "slice" on the face, not a detail issue. Shoor stopped-down and you'll eliminate this, at which point you can then say which one is better. Or shoot static test charts where you can really dial in that focus. I have a 5D4 anyway, I was split between the two when it came time to upgrade and I picked the Mark IV due to the usability and the superior sensor (DR/noise -wise). 30.4Mpix will still be plenty for work, considering that the very top-end 1D (and Nikon's top-end) cameras have a piss-poor resolution in comparison and are still used by pros all over :)
nice rev's , considering 5dsr has 20mpx more and no aa filter , the mk4 seems to be holding pretty good , u should try and use the digital image optimizer, i think it rises the sharpness and detail , although u need to wait 3 sec for the camera to process. and as comparing to mirrorles camera ( since it's quite the hype right now ), to me right now if there is a reason for me to switch is because of the tilting screen , it makes my work so much easier , esp low angle situation
I agree the Mark IV does a great job holding up the 5DSR it is a good camera. Mirrorless cameras do have a few things to update and I think once that's done they could start to overtake DSLRs quite quickly. Thank you for watching my video and leaving the comment.
Without sounding obvious, it all just comes down to what you’re shooting. Unless you desperately need faster shooting and better low light performance the 5DS does 90% of what the Mk4 does but brings an extra 20MP to the table. At least it allows for extra reach and aggressive cropping if needed. The main things you’d want 50MP for will likely be stationary subjects (portraits, landscape and nature), if you have to have a high resolution shot you can always build a panorama on the Mk4 anyway. Yes it’s more work in post, but with today’s editing software it’ll be a flawlessly stitched shot.... Unless you NEED good video, just just whichever is cheaper or more easily available locally.
I'm curious if you've tried the 5DSR with a really long lens (for example 500 or 600) ? Potentially interested in pairing it with 600/4 and a 1.4x tele. This combination has worked well with the 1DX. Also this question is open to anyone who has tried 5DSR with extra long lenses ( > 400). Good video!
Patrick Taylor I haven’t unfortunately, the longest lens I own is a 135mm most of what I shoot I need wider lenses. I will say that if it works well with the 1DX then it should work the same if not slightly better with the 5DSR. Also due to the resolution you’ll significantly more detailed images
You can buy the Wifi card for the 5DSR for 25 dollars and it only takes up the SD card slot that most people don't use anyways. You're right, once you use the wireless you will always use it. I do envy the higher ISO range the Mark 4 has, however working with the 5DSR has made me a better technical photographer and I get comments on how tact sharp my photos and color are. When you shoot at 50 MP you enter the class of medium format cameras, even if the sensor is still smaller at full frame. Where can you buy an awesome medium format camera for 4k new and now sells for about 2.5k foreign models? Only Canon offers this and perhaps Sony does have 42 MP but Sony's is considered inferior in my opinion. Just my two cents.
Sonder Creative, yes thank you I have been as I have owned them both sense their release. Of course they are not as important as recognizing and composing a great short or even a great lens, but they are both great tools. I’m getting more and more call for video work. The 5D4 seems to work except for clients expectations for what equipment should look like. But it is working for the corporate video that I have been shooting and editing. Thank you for your video, it’s alway good to review some the equipment you already have and the work flow that others follow.
What about the 5DS? If I want the 50mp, without the hassle of making my clients look like hairy pimple-beasts.... seems good not to have that low pass filter, no?
LOL, I properly chuckled at that haha. I actually had the 5DS and really didn't enjoy using it. At that resolution the difference is noticeable and the softness looked to me like a very thin layer of grease over everything. The 5DSR has amazing clarity and moire has never been an issue for myself and many other photographers I know who shoot with it. I personally recommend against the 5DS.
Cool, thanks for the input! So my bread and butter is landscapes and industrial sites, often shot from a helicopter. So that being said.... would you personally opt for a iv or a DSR?
If you know for a fact you need the extra megapixels then 5DSR. Try and avoid using cropping as a reason for the higher megapixels because a longer lens will be a better option to cropping in. If you're happy with 30mp (more than enough realistically speaking) then the mark IV is such a good camera so many extra features that make a huge difference. I would say Mark IV as the default option unless....
Amazing video. I am currently looking for an upgrade of my Canon Eos 6D (anything with a bit more resolution than the 20Pixel sensor of the 6D). I shoot mainly architecture on a tripod but occasionally also events. The combination of a Canon 5DSr AND a 5D-IV is probably the best actually. One for landscapes and architecture (5DSr) on a tripod and one for events handheld. But it's still a pretty amount of cash, even after 3 years of the introduction of those camera's....
I noticed that the prices here in Europe are a lot higher (3500,00 euros / $4018,00 VAT included). We are getting ripped off here lol.... tweakers.net/pricewatch/577349/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-zwart.html
Did I hear wrong or did you say the 5Ds pics up more detail compared to the Mkiv? The reason the mkiv did not pick up more detail is because it was not in focus to the compared area of the face. Yes the 5ds has more detail but your example is completely wrong.
I've been using both camera for almost 2 years and 5DsR is much better then mark IV on Photography.. For video I've no idea but Mark IV is better as people say..
At last a decent, mature and informed review. I not sure why but I seemed to struggle when trying to get this level of detail anywhere else on youtube.
As a user updated from Canon 50D, i wanna say that 5D4 totally satisfies my requirement. Giving up my old Canon Lens set and turning to Sony camp? It´s obviously not wise even if a small adapter could solve the problem. I prefer the high resolution of 5DsR, especially for starry sky. But 5D4 can´t be really replaced under some circumstances with its wider focus range and faster focus ability. After all 5D4 is an all-round champion among its brothers(ofc except 1D series).
I completely agree with you. Having the 5D4 as a good all rounder camera is so incredibly useful. Although I am a fan of Sony cameras and have bought a few of theirs, it's not something I prefer using for professional work. The 1DXII is simply amazing, very pricey too.
So in a nutshell 5dsr if u want to sit there all day getting the perfect shot, 5d mark iv if you don’t get multiple chances. For me 5d mark iv all the way I rather have lowlight performance over mp
Coming in a year and a half later, absolutely disgusted and appalled by my 6dMk2 and it's terrible autofocus, I've been toying with the idea of selling my stuff and going to the Sony. I have Sigma 35 and 85 art lenses, and don't want to cut my losses yet, so I've decided I want to go between the 5DSR and the MarkIV. Thank you so much for probably one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. I'm going to look into the MarkIV now!! Hopefully my Art lenses on a better body can actually produce some in focus images :-D My 6dMk2 only gets about 30% of my shots in focus.
New cameras capture too much detail for most uses, especially portraits of people. Nobody wants to see every hair on their face, every hair under a girls chin and the parts of their eyebrows they’ve missed when plucking. There’s a reason people still like the pictures from a 5D mki or 5D mkii. Having all this extra detail from these newer high megapixel cameras just means more work in post processing. Because I’m yet to find a female model who wants all the hairs on their chin and all blemishes on their face visible in their photoshoot. Cameras are becoming so advanced that their pictures are losing character and just becoming too clinical.
Should I upgrade from the 5Dii to iv? Or wait for V in 2020? I don't photog FT so I don't plan on quitting my day job to do this. I just love good gear and I do a lot of portraits and fashion modeling on the side. I don't have that kind of cash to upgrade every time a new camera comes out either and I'm not a professional but I I can take great pics. I'm probably not utilizing it to it's full potential but I'm OK with that. Thanks!
Hi Sonder...great video,one of the best i've seen in internet about 5DSR...i wanted to ask...can i make my Eos R colors look like 5DSR,i tried using Adobe DNG profile editor...almost happy,but i think is better using Xrite to match booth cameras ?What is your opinion about that ?
Really great and helpful review. I struggled on which to chose for landscape/portrait photography. I'm going to go for the mk iv after this review. Thanks so much for the time and effort. I think the higher dynamic range and better noise control just about beats the better image quality of the sr.
Ah man, thank you so much for watching and for such an awesome comment. I'm really happy my video helped you decide and I agree the extra feature the Mark IV has makes it such a good option.
Interesting watching this in Nov 2020. I would say today, given the closeness of the two cameras, but the exceptional deals for a used 5Ds/R. The decision just became easier.
~ Thank you for this very honest video .. It confirmed the choice I needed to make. I need the best low light performance, shooting musicians for three music magazines. The speed and accuracy, plus increased dynamic range, made the 5D Mk4 my number one choice. It's a fabulous camera .. I've tried the Sony A7R3 and it's a great camera too, but to me it's ugly, and the ergonomics/handling in actual use are not a patch on my 5D range cameras .. I have the 5D2, 5D3 and now the 5D4 .. Plus the final straw .. The Canon 70-200 f2.8L Mk2 is THE very very best lens in the world for the shots that I take ... ;-)
I got my 5DSR instead of MK4. It's a very good camera with astonishing image quality. The blur from the high Mpix exists but has been exaggerated by people. I can pretty easily take clear photos (100% zoom in) without a tripod on 1/20 sec, 100mm (With IS). Also people talk about how bad the ISO performance and Dynamic range of the camera is compare to Nikon and Sony. Firstly, those difference is visible only when we use low ISO on these 3 cameras; when they all use 1600 or 2000+ iso, the difference is nearly invisible. For dynamic range: I don't know why people that heavily rely on fixing exposure in post-processing? Why can't just practice more and learn how to use better lighting and exposure when we are talking photos. Mark IV is good but over priced for now and I wouldn't care if I have those extra features or not.
I can't get many sharp images at 1/20 sec my style of shooting is mostly with a tripod so I don't have allot of practice shooting handheld. I think you may be better than most people if you're able to get tack sharp images with that but for the most part, the higher MP count does make a noticeable difference. I agree with you about the 5DSR and the 5D Mark IV, personally, I much prefer using the 5DSR. Thank you so much for watching and for the comment. I hope you're well.
Great comparison and articulaltion of the critical factors. I currently have a 5d mkii and shoot mainly landscape, macro, travel some portrait , i want to get into commercial architecture and product and am not sure if the 5dsr resolution would be better for my shooting needs and a worthy upgrade, i dont know if i should upgrade from the Mkii or just purchase the 5dsr as a second body for specialised work ? Also i have all imaged stabilised lenses would image blur be a big issue on the 5dsr ? Btw the mkii has banding issues from iso6400 onwards, limited but accurate autofocus, inadequate resolution, im torn between the mkiv and the 5dsr and any suggestions would be great :) I miss the film days when it was purely based on skill and not mainly spec , but dslrs are so versatile these days !!!
Nice video, great detail of the 5dsr, do you recommend it for architectural photography in 2024? I'm between the 5dsr or the sony A7 IV, the r6 mark II has less mpx than this 2 and I think it losses there.
Oh absolutely. I still recommend the 5DSR for architectural photography. It's one of the best cameras that Canon has produced in recent times for that kind of phootgraphy.
Hi, first of all great video, this is the first time I have come cross your channel. However there is one question I would like to ask. That is, what is the image quality like when shooting at low light on both the 5DSR and the 5D mkiv at high iso, for example if you are shooting a wedding in church and you can not use flash, and you have to bump the iso up to 3200 or higher because it is dark, or if you are at the reception where you have poor lighting? Are you able to make a video on shooting at low light and high iso? Thank you in advance from Mark in Australia.
Great review. How are the out of camera colours of the 5DS, saturation and contrast compared to the mrk4 and mrk3? I was wondering if they are flatter because of the higher MP sensor ? Thanks 😊
I find colour form the 5DSR to be noticeably better than the other 5D series cameras. Saturation tends to be about the same so not flat at all but accuracy is improved in the 5DSR.
i own a 5Dlll. and i agree. the 5D4 feels like Canon gave us all the middle finger. that is why i am planning on switching to Sony. im waiting for an A7r lll or A9r
Considering the improvements Sony has made in the A9 I can't wait to see what the A7RIII is going to be like. I think Sony could start taking bigger pieces of the market very soon. Thank you for watching my video and leaving the comment, much appreciated.
I tested the Sony before going with the 5D Mark IV. I was really disappointed with the feel of the Sony was just too small. I don't think you will feel Canon gave you the finger after trying a 5D mark IV. It is a huge step better than the 5D III. For instance, the WIFI allows you to touch screen focus in both photo AND Video while recording. This can be done from either a mobile phone or touchscreen laptop. Absolutely amazing feature that no other camera has. If you look at all the new features which you are getting for the same price you spent for your Mark III you will see it is a much more modern camera.
3rd Eye Media I'm amazed that most people can't see this. The 5Div improved on virtually every meaningful aspect of the 5Diii and is light years ahead of it. As you said, same price, vastly superior camera. People are turning into spec sheet fanboys largely driven by Sony's hyped-up style of advertising and they're overlooking what really matters to a photographer.
@photographerjonathan You might want to use a 5D4 before you decide it's disappointing, don't go by a spec sheet Canon under sell their Cameras on paper but deliver much more where as Sony over sell on their spec sheet and under perform.
@cooloox Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I thought i was the crazy one for a moment. I really love this camera and it has made me start shooting way more than with my old 5D3. I will tell you a secret. I get way more girls phone numbers now than ever before. Why? Well when I am out at an event and I take a beautiful girls picture I used to just give her a business card and wait for them to call. Now, when i take their picture I tell them to tap their phone to my camera if it has NFC or I pair their phone and send them the photo directly to their phone. Then they go wow! that was neat and it becomes the intro to new conversation and opportunities.... Also, once I get hem all paired up they almost always want to take more photos. They tell me how many times photographers have taken their photo but they never get them. So as you can see just that feature alone has made this camera worth the upgrade for me. Everyone wants to use their photos on Instagram and Facebook. I can now get them that .JPEG directly out of the camera instantly and have their phone number for future shoots.
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He really nailed it. I’ve been using 5DsR for a few years now, and I made that choice because I do so much aerial photography, where that high resolution really has a purpose, but the down side is definitely the noise performance of the sensor in lower light situations. This has been seen in some other very high pixel-density sensors as well, including the pricey Phase One. I am at the point where I would not actually recommend the 5DSR unless you have a specialty application like aerial or scientific photography where you really need it, or you are always shooting in perfectly controlled conditions, where you can avoid the noise. I hesitate to use it at anything above 800 ISO.
Best review ever of the 5DS/R hands down! You went straight for the core points about this 50MP camera. Wasn't terribly impressed with that interview but later on you killed it by yourself! You are a very clever man indeed! Congrats and best wishes.
up until last week had the 5ds r and amazed by the detail in every shot. unfortunately got stolen last week with my 5dmrk2 and 4 L lenses and insurance dragging their feet so was looking at a quick replacement in the meantime. was going to get the 5dsr again then looked back at the last 20 jobs I've done and everything was used on websites including an ecommerce site at 540x540 pixels. to be honest not one client mentioned anything when going from 5dmrk2 to the 5ds r well one did he complained the files were too big ! looking back over old photos on the 5dmrk2 I'm now asking why i upgraded at all as the 5dmrk2 files still have so much detail. I do regular case studies for a client that sells door handles, hinges etc for some amazing buildings and recently went to their new office and they had completely covered one wall, about 4m x 2.5m with one of my 5dmrk2 images of an interior i did for them and it was sharp as a tack. i think we all get a bit obsessed with the number of pixels. I've been round the block from canon to hasselblad to phase one then back to canon. now considering just buying another 5dmrk2 !
5d Mark ii is hard to beat, the images I get from it just get better as I’ve owned it and no one complains. The extra mega pixels is great, yet if someone steals my camera I’m sure I’ll just get another 5d Mark ii.
How could you be so careless with your gear
Great info, thank you! 🙏🏼🙃
Been a professional portrait photographer for over 18 years. Published in many magazines, websites, books and newspapers. Funny thing that I actually don't want all those details. Ultra ultra sharp camera's are not my cup of tea. If you see every red dot on the skin, every wrinkle in a face or on lips, every single hair out of place, it makes for much more effort going into post production. I have more high end camera's but most of my best shots are still being made with my 5dmark 2. Especially women are much more flattering with a softer focus. As long as the eyes are sharp i'm good. Besides, unless your photo's are being used for huge billboards, even the 5d Mark 1 and 2 are still plenty sharp.
With that said, I can appreciate a good razor sharp picture, just not for portraits unless you want to accentuate wrinkles and such. So to 99%, of the buyers i would even advise the Mark 3 over the Mark 4. Keep the extra money and buy a good lens. Yes the mark 4 is better, but do you need it? If it comes down to making beautiful portraits The Mark 2 or 3 + a solid f1.4, 1.8 prime or even the brilliant L 70 200 2.8IS, will serve pretty much all your needs and more.
Even in 2021.
The nr1 trick to making great photo's and being published is not about owning the newest most expensive camera. Far from it. If done correctly your employers won't even notice the difference between a cheapo camera and the most expensive one.
It's aIl about making beautiful pictures.
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy a good camera because you should! But just remember the beauty of a picture is not in the equipment but in the photographer.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for sharing. Great video.
You’re absolutely right but that’s not the point of this video or what the video is about.
@@Sondercreative Thanks :). And yeah I understand it was not the point of your video. Your video is a great comparison between the 2, I get that. My comment should be seen separate from your video topic!
It was ment for people in general which are looking at these sort of video's and all of a sudden think they need the most expensive of the 2 in order to make good sharp photo's. On a daily basis I see locals and tourist shooting with the most expensive camera's and lenses while all they need is a good camera phone. Extremely overkill for what they are shooting. Like driving a nascar or F1 car to the grocerie store. And their photo's still suck....😂Anyhoeee...again, great video, keep it up my friend! Always enjoy your video's.
Love my 5 DS R. Great for astrophotography, sports, wildlife, and landscapes. Use it for architecture, macro, and portrait. No complaints! I highly recommend it.
John P it is such an incredible camera I absolutely love using it and seeing the detail it can produce. Thank you for watching John, really appreciate it.
You notice when someone is just interested in the subject and wants to share the knowledge. Good job!
”If you need to ask the question , 5d4”. - that sums it up really good
Great unbiased comparison brother, much appreciated!
I had two 5DSR's and a 5D4 plus eleven of Canon's best lenses. The DSR can make some pretty high res files, especially when using a Zeiss Otus. Just hold it steady when you have good light. The 4 is more versatile with better dynamic range. I travel a lot in an RV and keep multiple cameras attached to lenses at the ready. If I were forced to only have one of the two cameras, I would take the 4. Now having said all of that, I sold all the Canon gear in 2018 for one Leica SL and a 24-90 plus a 90-280. That was a good decision as my hit rate improved as did image quality. I was also able to downsize from 3 rolling cases to 2 rolling cases. What's in the second case, you ask? My Leica S medium format camera. I've been shooting for 50 years. If I could go back to around 1980, I think I would rather have had one Leica and one lens than a couple of Nikons and multiple lenses, although my Nikonos V was a great camera.
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Than you so much for making this video! You provided the defining information that made me 100% comfortable & happy with my purchase of the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV.
I’m really glad you found my video helpful. Thank you so much for watching :-).
thanks. after i lost my mark3. i just bought a $600 mark2 on craigslist and i've gotten some decent images out of it. but for 2 months i was debating what to buy whether mark 4 or 6d mark2, or 5dsr or even switching to sony all together. i shoot landscapes mainly and i plan to sell my prints in large sizes. so your review helped me decide! and i ordered 5dsr today! awesome!
Great review! As a 5D4 owner I'd like to make a few comments.
On a recent trip I actually tried to use the Wifi to backup the camera in the field, but it was a disaster. Basically the battery which would normally be good for 900 shots gives up the ghost after 250 or so. And, on top of that, when back at the camp for the evening, the wifi only runs on the 2.4 GHz band is thus is pretty slow verses just popping the card out and into a reader to copy out the pictures. So I found the wifi to be considerably less useful than I thought it would be. I didn't want to waste the battery life in the field, and it took too long to backup photos over it back at camp. So I'd call it a no-go. Just too slow.
I don't own the 5DSR but on the last trip I would have liked more than 30MP. One of the other guys had a high-end Nikon, near 40MP sensor plus a 500mm prime (I had 5D4 with the 100-400mm telephoto). The combinationn of 40MP and 500mm made a huge difference verses 30MP and 400mm. But in comparing the photos closely, I think just boosting the Canon to 40MP would have made the comparison a lot closer on the shots that already had good light. Sharpness wasn't the issue, honestly. That is, ignoring the other advantages of a 500mm prime and just looking at the result in good light long distance shots. (Not all was lost, the 100-400 is a lot more mobile so I could get shots that he couldn't, but for slow-moving birds or far-away birds, he had a huge advantage). And I should say that I also own the 6D, and having 30MP in the 5M4 verses the ~20MP in the 6D was also a big step up. So I do kinda wish the 5DM4 ran 40MP.
AF is really excellent for fast-moving targets. Having the low-pass filter wasn't as big a problem as I thought it would be... Canon's DLO (either in-camera or in their software) really clears up off-center focus nicely and also helps more than I thought it would with sharpness, even in the center. Particularly when I had to pull 2048-bit-wide crops out my pictures. Canon's eye detection at center-spot could use with a firmware fix, though. It tends to focus on the eyelid and not the eye.
The dual-pixel AF is also excellent. The dual-pixel RAW storage feature, though, is garbage. It just isn't worth 80MByte RAW files and slower shot rate.
I don't really do video so I can't comment on the 4K other than the 'Motion JPEG? Really CANON????'. There is a rumored firmware update that will fix the other complaints I've read about (crop and lack of C-LOG). That said... I'm mostly into stills for books, so...
Overall, I'm happy with my 5DM4. It's a big step-up from my previous camera, the 6D (and I also have a 5D2). I still use all three. But at the same time I think Canon is still behind Nikon by at least two years and I wish they would pick up their game. I'm too invested in lens to switch.
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Really enjoyed watching your video, thank you. I sold my 5D mark III last week with the thought to replace it with the mark IV until I noticed the £400 cheaper price of the 5DSR. I do macro and studio photography so 5DSR it is for me:-)
The 5DSR is such an amazing camera, I'm so glad you got a great deal on it. I'm sure you're gonna be able to create some amazing photos with it :).
Thank you for watching and for the comment.
One of the best camera reviews I've watched. Thanks so much for making the important things clear and giving great examples of both. Has definitely helped
Thank you, I already purchased Mark 4 over the 5dsr, so this was just to put my mind at ease.
Thank you!, This absolutely made me confident about which way I need to go. It couldn't have been more helpful! For me, it is really the 5D Mark IV, but I didn't really have all the specific info I needed. You cleared that all up.
Thank you so much for watching, I'm rally glad to know you found my video helpful.
Ive been watching so many videos and reading articles about both of these and this is the best video about the vs of these two camera. I know the specs difference but you actually showed the difference between them with examples and really told the honest truth about image quality. The 5DSR has more mp but who's honestly going to need that unless your printing a billboard. Thank you sir.
That is so awesome of you to say, really thank you so much it means so much to me.
Another excellent comparison. Keep up the good work. Your content is so matured.
Thank you Hamzah, that's very kind of you to say, I'll continue trying to improve my videos.
Great comparison, correct me if I'm wrong here but I would say that the 5DS is less forgiving and less suited to motion where the focal point would change. The 5DS from what you've said feels like it is much less forgiving if the shot is not quite bang on.
I have the 5DIV and love it. The WiFi as was mentioned is a feature I really wanted, I love having the ability to pull a photo off my camera inb the middle of what i'm shooting and send it to the person I just shot via air drop on my phone or whatsapp/wechat/what ever, people seem to really appreciate this and it adds a little bit of extra satisfaction from shooting.
Finally a good review comparing two similar cameras (the ones I'm looking into getting) I feel like the 5dsr would be great for wildlife on my 100-400 ii, I guess I'll have to wait and see, have a good day!
Thank you for watching :)
I agree the 5DSR with the 100-400mm lens would be an amazing combination :)
I hope you have a good day too.
Your video has truely helped me. I was confused about megapixel monster 5dsr vs upgrade 5d iv. For an amateur the 5d iv will definitely suit me. Great video.
Thank you so much man that means a lot to me. I really appreciate you watching my video and I'm glad you found it useful.
Will you still say the same thing if 5dsr cheaper than iv?
thank you for presenting both sides of the argument in a way that shows that you have something to gain and something to loose with both cameras.
Thank you for watching Scott, I hope you found my video useful. Both cameras are fantastic performers.
I really appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment.
My style of shooting is leaning me towards the MKIV over the SR but owning both would be a dream
I'm still undecided about these two cameras, thank you very much for this video
Mike Pulido You're very welcome, thank you so much for watching.
They are both fantastic cameras so I'm with you, it is a bit difficult to decide between the two.
I shoot all aerials, have used all canon pro bodies, currently have the 1DX and have the 5dsr/w grip, don't like the small body but thinking of getting another 5dsr as as back up, I don't need all the added options the 4 offers. great video very professional, thanks for you time.
Great review. It is really nice to have a review by someone that uses the cameras and LR in the real world.
Thank you Alan, really appreciate you watching and for the kind comment.
Great film and I need to get to Leeds soon. So here is how I use Canon. Since 2006 I have used Canon 1DsMKIII and 7DMKII as its side kick with film all over UK and EU for commercial clients, I have sold and printed prints up to 30ft x 20ft and nobody ever complained. I have moved onto 5DIII amazing camera, 5DIV just great for everything and the EOS R for film and 10 bit recording for TV with my C300MKII both 4k 10bit. I sold the 5Div after a year and bought the 5DsR for DPS magazine shoots and it does the business, in fact I bought the 5Ds and had it for 2 magazine shoots and replaced it for the 5DsR. If you want a camera that can do everything almost perfect then the 5Div is the one, If you want dynamic range then EOSR delivers in spades, I use it on a Ronin gimble for magazine TV channels with the C300 MKII as unit one camera. What you say here is so right, with the 5ds R if you nail focus you nail perfection, if you slightly off the mark then you are never going to fix it. The EOS R is more a camera to use for either film or stills but switching between the two a full pro standard can leave you with ‘I wish I had used something else’ like 5DIV or 5DsR. So, I will leave you with this, the 5DsR Is a full pro photographers’ camera and when its goo its fantastic.
opening up a lens to maximum aperture is usually the worst part of the lens and a bad test condition as the alias filter is in mk4 is playing a part here. The 5DSR is a tripod camera, landscapes or studio due to the increased pixel density you will find it a lot harder to get critical focus. The Mk4 is an all rounder. Considering A3 is 3508 pixels x 4961 pixels you will see the Mk4 at 6720 x 4480 has plenty of room to crop. Unless you print really big I wouldn't get the 5Dsr, or get it as a second body. Even in landscape the mk4 has better dynamic range which will render better skys than the 5Dsr. Both great cameras as colours fantastic and the 5Dsr will save you a lot of money, but shoot more steadily with higher shutter.
A very informative video. An honest review and makes it so easy to sum up which camera to go for! Many thanks for your words :)
The Vegan Channel you're too kind thank you so much for watching and for leaving an awesome comment :-).
If you/anyone in general is in need of the resolution, I'd skip the 5DSR and shoot large format with a digital back. The Mk 4 is a better camera for "most" uses. The SR adds a lot of phaff in order to gain a few pixels, while adding a lot of limitations such dynamic range, noise etc. Large format and medium format also are more difficult to use, but you get far more benefits in terms of other things, not only including the digital image quality, but also (depending on the type of camera) other things like camera controls (rise/fall, shift etc).
This is very helpful. I already have the 5D and i just wanted to see if i should go with the 5D SR as my high megapixel second camera
Thanks for this! I found it really useful! Canon have made it a nightmare to pick the right camera these days, but I think the 5D mkIV is the sensible choice for me!
Thank you so much for the effort you put into making this video! I agree with your findings and think this will make life easier for a lot of people :)
Once again, a very informative video! I'm pretty firmly tied up with MFT at the moment, but besides photographing a little bit of everything, I also go in for tracking mount type astrophotography,so I'd go with the mark IV: anything I have to adjust on a camera during the day is always worse at under a dark sky with no light, and the mark IV seems to be a more flexible choice in that respect. Already looking forward to your next video!
Garryb thank you again for such a lovely comment, I look forward to seeing them now. MFT cameras these days are amazing, I think they could hold a large portion of the market very soon.
If you're ever around Leeds, please let me know we can grab a coffee and talk cameras.
I don't know what features canon is holding back. The 5D IV has everything I need in a camera. So for me canon is not giving me the finger it's giving me a high five.
clickonmike Comes down to expectation I guess. Considering what else is available in the market many people including myself felt a little short changed by Canon because they have offered severely crippled video features on this camera. I know some people will say it's not a video camera, but, it is. They even discuss and stress how important video shooters are to them when discussing the mark IV.
If you're happy with it then I'm happy for you. But considering what else is available this is a middle finger from Canon to many of their customers.
Most videographers in the world do not shoot movies. DSLRs and similar mirrorless type cameras are not just for photos. It would similar to suggest that the iPhone is only to make phone calls.
Technology evolves and that mentality is outdated.
jay r I think you're missing the context and the point of the 5D series. Due to this you don't fully grasp the points I'm making.
But cell phones are not used for professional photography either... so Canon 6D2 not having the best tech for video shooting is not a big deal for those that appreciate Canon for more than just video taking. Reliability is important too...those Sony cameras have many issues that Sony has yet to address.
The point about cell phones was that technology evolves and a certain piece of tech doesn't do just one thing. Allot of people like to hide behind the argument of how DSLRs are for photos, well that's simply not true. DSLRs are now used for both photos and video and are judged on both factors. Saying it isn't, doesn't change the reality of the situation.
Time flies fast - did you see B&H has the 5DSR on sale for $1,500 - talk about middle fingers to the customer! I'd hate to have paid full retail! Not that this is an issue with any recent cameras but the touch screen of the 5D4 is useful for navigating menus quick. I found setting up the 5DSR I kept reaching for the screen.
Thanks so much for this. I have gone back and forth on this. In the end I waited and got the 5D Mark IV but still often look at the 5DSR to add to my kit. I did get the 42 Megapixel Sony A7RII back awhile instead of the 5DSR because I thought I would use it for Video but that's never really happened. Also did want to try the EVF and IBIS to help focusing when using my Tilt and Shift 24 and 17 and for working with smaller primes but the extra cost of maintaining two system has gotten to be a burden so I wonder more and more about adding the 5DSR.
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Great comparison man! #subbed
Photomeike Wow that's so cool, thank you so much I really appreciate that.
No problem. It's amazing how all of your videos have thousands and thousands of views. But your sub count is still so low. Like WTF! Anyways please keep up the great work!
Thank you that's really kind of you to say, I've been subbed to you anyway on my personal account and I properly love your vlogs.
Thanks man!
You are 100% correct about the 5DSR. Proper technique matters.
Excellent, balanced and well-illustrated comparison review. It confirmed my thoughts on these two cameras.
With the DSR being available for under $3000, I'll definitively get that as my new years present. Dude Osman, the accompany music is sweeeet!
It's an awesome camera and I'm sure you'll love it :).
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I have both cameras as well and I agree wholeheartedly with every point you made.
I've watched allot of video comparisons today. Your video just answered (at 12:05) the annoying question Iv'e been asking myself for the past week. Great work!!
I'm really glad to have helped thank you so much for watching.
I do agree that a higher Mpix camera will give you a sharper image, but what I'm seeing in the comparison is a difference in the DOF "slice" on the face, not a detail issue. Shoor stopped-down and you'll eliminate this, at which point you can then say which one is better. Or shoot static test charts where you can really dial in that focus.
I have a 5D4 anyway, I was split between the two when it came time to upgrade and I picked the Mark IV due to the usability and the superior sensor (DR/noise -wise). 30.4Mpix will still be plenty for work, considering that the very top-end 1D (and Nikon's top-end) cameras have a piss-poor resolution in comparison and are still used by pros all over :)
I’m impressed! Very informative... with that said how about Canon 5d4 or Fuji gfx if you had to pick one?
nice rev's , considering 5dsr has 20mpx more and no aa filter , the mk4 seems to be holding pretty good , u should try and use the digital image optimizer, i think it rises the sharpness and detail , although u need to wait 3 sec for the camera to process. and as comparing to mirrorles camera ( since it's quite the hype right now ), to me right now if there is a reason for me to switch is because of the tilting screen , it makes my work so much easier , esp low angle situation
I agree the Mark IV does a great job holding up the 5DSR it is a good camera. Mirrorless cameras do have a few things to update and I think once that's done they could start to overtake DSLRs quite quickly.
Thank you for watching my video and leaving the comment.
Without sounding obvious, it all just comes down to what you’re shooting. Unless you desperately need faster shooting and better low light performance the 5DS does 90% of what the Mk4 does but brings an extra 20MP to the table. At least it allows for extra reach and aggressive cropping if needed. The main things you’d want 50MP for will likely be stationary subjects (portraits, landscape and nature), if you have to have a high resolution shot you can always build a panorama on the Mk4 anyway. Yes it’s more work in post, but with today’s editing software it’ll be a flawlessly stitched shot....
Unless you NEED good video, just just whichever is cheaper or more easily available locally.
Thank you for that truly honest opinion and testing.
Brian, thank you so much for watching and for the kind words.
I'm curious if you've tried the 5DSR with a really long lens (for example 500 or 600) ? Potentially interested in pairing it with 600/4 and a 1.4x tele. This combination has worked well with the 1DX. Also this question is open to anyone who has tried 5DSR with extra long lenses ( > 400). Good video!
Patrick Taylor I haven’t unfortunately, the longest lens I own is a 135mm most of what I shoot I need wider lenses. I will say that if it works well with the 1DX then it should work the same if not slightly better with the 5DSR. Also due to the resolution you’ll significantly more detailed images
You can buy the Wifi card for the 5DSR for 25 dollars and it only takes up the SD card slot that most people don't use anyways. You're right, once you use the wireless you will always use it. I do envy the higher ISO range the Mark 4 has, however working with the 5DSR has made me a better technical photographer and I get comments on how tact sharp my photos and color are. When you shoot at 50 MP you enter the class of medium format cameras, even if the sensor is still smaller at full frame. Where can you buy an awesome medium format camera for 4k new and now sells for about 2.5k foreign models? Only Canon offers this and perhaps Sony does have 42 MP but Sony's is considered inferior in my opinion. Just my two cents.
John Carnahan the 5DSR is still my main and favourite camera man I agree :-). Thank you very much for watching.
Ya this is the truth . Now i use 5dsr in my studio the detail is very clear and i never think to switch to other brands
Tewin Chuachang thank you for watching :-) I agree the 5DSR aid an awesome camera.
I bought both, problem solved.
I find that I use the 5DSR in the studio more than the 5D4. If I am traveling with one body, I take the 5DSR
test two problem solved indeed. Very happy for you I’m sure you’ll enjoy using both cameras. Thank you for the comment :-).
Sonder Creative, yes thank you I have been as I have owned them both sense their release. Of course they are not as important as recognizing and composing a great short or even a great lens, but they are both great tools.
I’m getting more and more call for video work. The 5D4 seems to work except for clients expectations for what equipment should look like. But it is working for the corporate video that I have been shooting and editing.
Thank you for your video, it’s alway good to review some the equipment you already have and the work flow that others follow.
What about the 5DS? If I want the 50mp, without the hassle of making my clients look like hairy pimple-beasts.... seems good not to have that low pass filter, no?
LOL, I properly chuckled at that haha.
I actually had the 5DS and really didn't enjoy using it. At that resolution the difference is noticeable and the softness looked to me like a very thin layer of grease over everything. The 5DSR has amazing clarity and moire has never been an issue for myself and many other photographers I know who shoot with it.
I personally recommend against the 5DS.
Cool, thanks for the input!
So my bread and butter is landscapes and industrial sites, often shot from a helicopter. So that being said.... would you personally opt for a iv or a DSR?
If you know for a fact you need the extra megapixels then 5DSR. Try and avoid using cropping as a reason for the higher megapixels because a longer lens will be a better option to cropping in. If you're happy with 30mp (more than enough realistically speaking) then the mark IV is such a good camera so many extra features that make a huge difference.
I would say Mark IV as the default option unless....
Great Overview and Review! Thanks!
Great Review! Thanks for the help in making this hard decision!
Thank you for watching, I'm really happy to know my video helped you :).
I'm looking to buy a 5DMK4 here in 2023! I considered the 5DR but the more reviews I watch, the more I realize it is not for me.
Amazing video. I am currently looking for an upgrade of my Canon Eos 6D (anything with a bit more resolution than the 20Pixel sensor of the 6D). I shoot mainly architecture on a tripod but occasionally also events. The combination of a Canon 5DSr AND a 5D-IV is probably the best actually. One for landscapes and architecture (5DSr) on a tripod and one for events handheld. But it's still a pretty amount of cash, even after 3 years of the introduction of those camera's....
5Div are down to USD1800 plus tax now . 5DS r is about USD75 less .
I noticed that the prices here in Europe are a lot higher (3500,00 euros / $4018,00 VAT included). We are getting ripped off here lol.... tweakers.net/pricewatch/577349/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-zwart.html
That is indeed high .
Thank you so much for this detailed review, massive help for my decision
Thanks brother , fantastic comparison and I'm buying the 5D MK4
Really appreciate you watching man thank you :)
Wonderful comparison.Keep up the good work.☺
Thank you much for the awesome comment.
Did I hear wrong or did you say the 5Ds pics up more detail compared to the Mkiv? The reason the mkiv did not pick up more detail is because it was not in focus to the compared area of the face. Yes the 5ds has more detail but your example is completely wrong.
I've been using both camera for almost 2 years and 5DsR is much better then mark IV on Photography.. For video I've no idea but Mark IV is better as people say..
I agree, that’s why I still shoot more with the 5DSR
Excellent summation and observations !!! Thanks
At last a decent, mature and informed review. I not sure why but I seemed to struggle when trying to get this level of detail anywhere else on youtube.
Adrian Hargan that's so very nice of you to say thank you very much.
I hope you found it useful :-)
That was a very clear and nice advice man. Thanks
Thank you so much for watching Nelson, much appreciated.
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As a user updated from Canon 50D, i wanna say that 5D4 totally satisfies my requirement. Giving up my old Canon Lens set and turning to Sony camp? It´s obviously not wise even if a small adapter could solve the problem. I prefer the high resolution of 5DsR, especially for starry sky. But 5D4 can´t be really replaced under some circumstances with its wider focus range and faster focus ability. After all 5D4 is an all-round champion among its brothers(ofc except 1D series).
I completely agree with you. Having the 5D4 as a good all rounder camera is so incredibly useful. Although I am a fan of Sony cameras and have bought a few of theirs, it's not something I prefer using for professional work.
The 1DXII is simply amazing, very pricey too.
It is impressive . That focus system on the DXII is magic
So in a nutshell 5dsr if u want to sit there all day getting the perfect shot, 5d mark iv if you don’t get multiple chances. For me 5d mark iv all the way I rather have lowlight performance over mp
Coming in a year and a half later, absolutely disgusted and appalled by my 6dMk2 and it's terrible autofocus, I've been toying with the idea of selling my stuff and going to the Sony. I have Sigma 35 and 85 art lenses, and don't want to cut my losses yet, so I've decided I want to go between the 5DSR and the MarkIV.
Thank you so much for probably one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. I'm going to look into the MarkIV now!!
Hopefully my Art lenses on a better body can actually produce some in focus images :-D My 6dMk2 only gets about 30% of my shots in focus.
New cameras capture too much detail for most uses, especially portraits of people. Nobody wants to see every hair on their face, every hair under a girls chin and the parts of their eyebrows they’ve missed when plucking. There’s a reason people still like the pictures from a 5D mki or 5D mkii. Having all this extra detail from these newer high megapixel cameras just means more work in post processing. Because I’m yet to find a female model who wants all the hairs on their chin and all blemishes on their face visible in their photoshoot. Cameras are becoming so advanced that their pictures are losing character and just becoming too clinical.
Exactly!
@@Twobarpsi glad you agree!
Should I upgrade from the 5Dii to iv? Or wait for V in 2020? I don't photog FT so I don't plan on quitting my day job to do this. I just love good gear and I do a lot of portraits and fashion modeling on the side. I don't have that kind of cash to upgrade every time a new camera comes out either and I'm not a professional but I I can take great pics. I'm probably not utilizing it to it's full potential but I'm OK with that. Thanks!
By far the best review and thoughts resolving video.Thank you bro. ;)
Thank you for this great comparison video. I needed that!
You're very welcome, thank you so much for watching.
Hi Sonder...great video,one of the best i've seen in internet about 5DSR...i wanted to ask...can i make my Eos R colors look like 5DSR,i tried using Adobe DNG profile editor...almost happy,but i think is better using Xrite to match booth cameras ?What is your opinion about that ?
Really great and helpful review. I struggled on which to chose for landscape/portrait photography. I'm going to go for the mk iv after this review. Thanks so much for the time and effort. I think the higher dynamic range and better noise control just about beats the better image quality of the sr.
Ah man, thank you so much for watching and for such an awesome comment. I'm really happy my video helped you decide and I agree the extra feature the Mark IV has makes it such a good option.
Nice job. When comparing resolution and noise I think a sun-lit scene would be more revealing than shooting something in overcast shade...
Gene Smith hey thank you for watching, much appreciated. There’s a studio shot in there with a model I hope that was useful.
Interesting watching this in Nov 2020. I would say today, given the closeness of the two cameras, but the exceptional deals for a used 5Ds/R. The decision just became easier.
Thanks for this, clearly and logically presented, comparison which has helped me make my choice. I will buy the DSR.
Michael, thank you so much for the kind comment. I'm so happy this video helped you, the 5DSR is a fantastic camera and I'm sure it won't disappoint.
No man bad
Michael. Have you used both cameras?
~ Thank you for this very honest video .. It confirmed the choice I needed to make. I need the best low light performance, shooting musicians for three music magazines. The speed and accuracy, plus increased dynamic range, made the 5D Mk4 my number one choice. It's a fabulous camera .. I've tried the Sony A7R3 and it's a great camera too, but to me it's ugly, and the ergonomics/handling in actual use are not a patch on my 5D range cameras .. I have the 5D2, 5D3 and now the 5D4 .. Plus the final straw .. The Canon 70-200 f2.8L Mk2 is THE very very best lens in the world for the shots that I take ... ;-)
I got my 5DSR instead of MK4. It's a very good camera with astonishing image quality. The blur from the high Mpix exists but has been exaggerated by people. I can pretty easily take clear photos (100% zoom in) without a tripod on 1/20 sec, 100mm (With IS). Also people talk about how bad the ISO performance and Dynamic range of the camera is compare to Nikon and Sony. Firstly, those difference is visible only when we use low ISO on these 3 cameras; when they all use 1600 or 2000+ iso, the difference is nearly invisible. For dynamic range: I don't know why people that heavily rely on fixing exposure in post-processing? Why can't just practice more and learn how to use better lighting and exposure when we are talking photos. Mark IV is good but over priced for now and I wouldn't care if I have those extra features or not.
I can't get many sharp images at 1/20 sec my style of shooting is mostly with a tripod so I don't have allot of practice shooting handheld. I think you may be better than most people if you're able to get tack sharp images with that but for the most part, the higher MP count does make a noticeable difference.
I agree with you about the 5DSR and the 5D Mark IV, personally, I much prefer using the 5DSR.
Thank you so much for watching and for the comment. I hope you're well.
Sonder Creative the review itslef is very good and umbiased. Keep up!
Great comparison and articulaltion of the critical factors. I currently have a 5d mkii and shoot mainly landscape, macro, travel some portrait , i want to get into commercial architecture and product and am not sure if the 5dsr resolution would be better for my shooting needs and a worthy upgrade, i dont know if i should upgrade from the Mkii or just purchase the 5dsr as a second body for specialised work ? Also i have all imaged stabilised lenses would image blur be a big issue on the 5dsr ? Btw the mkii has banding issues from iso6400 onwards, limited but accurate autofocus, inadequate resolution, im torn between the mkiv and the 5dsr and any suggestions would be great :)
I miss the film days when it was purely based on skill and not mainly spec , but dslrs are so versatile these days !!!
Great review!! appreciate your perspective!!!
Nice video, great detail of the 5dsr, do you recommend it for architectural photography in 2024? I'm between the 5dsr or the sony A7 IV, the r6 mark II has less mpx than this 2 and I think it losses there.
Oh absolutely. I still recommend the 5DSR for architectural photography. It's one of the best cameras that Canon has produced in recent times for that kind of phootgraphy.
Thankyou so much you honesty helped me so much to choose the camera am buying,
nice to see another leeds shooter on here - I have the 5ds - and I agree with all your points
5dsr still my favorite Canon camera as of today. Sold my r5
You should use more L and J cuts when editing your interviews
Thanks for the best comparison. It allows me to choose 5d mark4 over 5ds. My most work is related to studio work and fashion photography.
EsHbAn BaHaDuR for that kind of work the 5DSR is definitely my choice it’s such a good camera.
Thank you for watching :-).
Thanks for your help guys. I was thinking of the 5Dsr but now it will either be the 5D mk4 or 1DX mk 2
Hi, first of all great video, this is the first time I have come cross your channel. However there is one question I would like to ask. That is, what is the image quality like when shooting at low light on both the 5DSR and the 5D mkiv at high iso, for example if you are shooting a wedding in church and you can not use flash, and you have to bump the iso up to 3200 or higher because it is dark, or if you are at the reception where you have poor lighting? Are you able to make a video on shooting at low light and high iso? Thank you in advance from Mark in Australia.
thx for your work, professional comparison, well done!
Thank you for watching, much appreciated.
Cool advice brother 👍🙏📸
Thank you so much for the comment much appreciated, I hope you're well.
A great explanation for using and buying canons 5ds .thank you
I would use this camera for landscapes, food or product photography but not portraits, at least not close up portraits. Too much skin texture for me.
Great review very useful, thanks. Subscribed.
alrock82 thank you so much that’s so awesome :-).
Thank you Sonder! You helped me make my decision!
You’re welcome, it’s a pleasure and thank you for watching.
Great review thanks for demystifying the difference between the two - off to buy 5D markIV 👍
Elizabeth Daniels that's awesome thank you so much for watching. If you want, you're welcome to use the links in the description :-).
Great review. How are the out of camera colours of the 5DS, saturation and contrast compared to the mrk4 and mrk3? I was wondering if they are flatter because of the higher MP sensor ? Thanks 😊
I find colour form the 5DSR to be noticeably better than the other 5D series cameras. Saturation tends to be about the same so not flat at all but accuracy is improved in the 5DSR.
nice comparison , very helpful for me, subscribed!!!
That's so cool thank you so much. I'm very glad you found it helpful.
i own a 5Dlll. and i agree. the 5D4 feels like Canon gave us all the middle finger. that is why i am planning on switching to Sony. im waiting for an A7r lll or A9r
Considering the improvements Sony has made in the A9 I can't wait to see what the A7RIII is going to be like. I think Sony could start taking bigger pieces of the market very soon.
Thank you for watching my video and leaving the comment, much appreciated.
I tested the Sony before going with the 5D Mark IV. I was really disappointed with the feel of the Sony was just too small. I don't think you will feel Canon gave you the finger after trying a 5D mark IV. It is a huge step better than the 5D III. For instance, the WIFI allows you to touch screen focus in both photo AND Video while recording. This can be done from either a mobile phone or touchscreen laptop. Absolutely amazing feature that no other camera has. If you look at all the new features which you are getting for the same price you spent for your Mark III you will see it is a much more modern camera.
3rd Eye Media I'm amazed that most people can't see this. The 5Div improved on virtually every meaningful aspect of the 5Diii and is light years ahead of it. As you said, same price, vastly superior camera. People are turning into spec sheet fanboys largely driven by Sony's hyped-up style of advertising and they're overlooking what really matters to a photographer.
@photographerjonathan You might want to use a 5D4 before you decide it's disappointing, don't go by a spec sheet Canon under sell their Cameras on paper but deliver much more where as Sony over sell on their spec sheet and under perform.
@cooloox Thanks for confirming my thoughts. I thought i was the crazy one for a moment. I really love this camera and it has made me start shooting way more than with my old 5D3. I will tell you a secret. I get way more girls phone numbers now than ever before. Why? Well when I am out at an event and I take a beautiful girls picture I used to just give her a business card and wait for them to call.
Now, when i take their picture I tell them to tap their phone to my camera if it has NFC or I pair their phone and send them the photo directly to their phone. Then they go wow! that was neat and it becomes the intro to new conversation and opportunities....
Also, once I get hem all paired up they almost always want to take more photos. They tell me how many times photographers have taken their photo but they never get them. So as you can see just that feature alone has made this camera worth the upgrade for me. Everyone wants to use their photos on Instagram and Facebook. I can now get them that .JPEG directly out of the camera instantly and have their phone number for future shoots.
Really great review man.