well .. .I would take Canon ... as all my lenses are Canon compatible ... otherwise I would wait for next Canon model as I like Canon from the user experience point
Dude if u look for specs then a chinese phone will give u a kickass spec....but quality matters. I m not saying that nikon is a Chinese knockoff but a guy buying 3grand dslr would look at his lens collection
end product = great specs + fan-ism ? There's a good reason Canon and Nikon are the two big brand.. and nowadays Nikon is kicking Canon ass so they wake up (or stop their idiot market segmentation). Intel and AMD are doing the same .. some years Intel kicks asses, this year it's AMD.. so goes the market
I'm a Canon user and couldn't agree more. Canon is just not innovating anymore. Their technology is old, they are trying to earn big by ripping off customers. In case of video, people say that Canon doesn't want to affect their cinema camera market by giving good video functionalities in their DSLRs... but Sony has a Cinema camera line too... how are they putting such great specs in their full frame mirrorless cameras for such a comparatively cheaper price? Canon probably needs new managers and marketing analysts.
Zaber Ansary These comparisons are kinda pointless because of this. As a beginner you shouldn't buy this anyway (or go for it if you have shittons of money and don't know what to do with it). If you are in a position to buy a cam like these you'll buy the one you have the lenses for anyways
tolga1cool I wouldn’t say they are pointless, handy for people moving up to full frame. When I went full frame i switched systems completely. Vids like these were handy.
The Canon Fan boys will like canon...... The Nikon Fan boys will like nikon.Both are great cameras. But at the end of the day,The skill of the photographer matters!!
KingSkib yes but cameras matter too. Take the Nikon for example. With that resolution you can crop a hell of a lot and fix your composition. With that DR you can alter your picture like crazy to fix your lighting. Even a shitty photographer's photos can be improved by the D850 and photoshop.
Jared, I appreciate your style of reviews and your style of teaching. No BS, no fluff, just the good stuff. Thank you for your dedication and the time you take to make these videos
I'm a Canon user, and I'll agree, the D850 is a much higher performing camera in almost every category. That being said, the camera that you can use the best/the most fluidly, will yield the best photos for you. I stayed with Canon and got the 5D Mark IV, for a few reasons. (1). I have, and am used to my Canon glass, how it renders how it handles different lighting scenarios etc. (2). I rarely need more than 20-25MP, much less 45. (3). I never shoot video, ever...if it was up to me they would take it out of SLRs and just make the camera lighter and less expensive. and (4). I prefer Canon's default color profiles, yes you can tweak raw to look however you want but that's just another step to add to the workflow. At the end of the day, there are a lot of non-quantitative, quality of life aspects that affect how a camera system handles, and how it influences your workflow. The most important decision is to pick the one that fits yours best so you can continue to enjoy photography and not be bogged down with gear and workflow quirks. Happy shooting everybody!
I agree totally on these companies should take the 'video' aspect, right out of the DSLR! Buy a dedicated video camera for video! These dedicated video cameras are downright low cost items these days, and as you say, adding quality features plus lower weight would be much better!
It's all about enabling you to use the lenses you have already for video as well without spending thousands of dollars extra. I don't use it much either but I like the option. Pros (with enough money) will buy a video camera I think.
CastrejonHDTV Even colors I think depends on what you shoot. Canons seem to have more subtle control over reds but lose a little in Greens. Nikons have great greens, especially when working in Adobe RGB (if I shot landscapes id definitely shoot Nikon)
hmmm... a lot of words. Jarad (aka, 'That Nikon Guy') just said the Canon 5D4 had better 4K video quality than the Nikon D850, and he also said the Canon has superb, market leading AF on video (and live view stills, btw), whereas the D850 has terrible AF during video. Miss focus, and your shot is toast. You Nikon fanboiz crack me up. The other issue not covered here is sports still shot AF. I do know the 5D4 AFs on birds-in-flight really well, if using Canon Glass, and drogonflies in flight down @ the pond should be no problem. Canon excells in this. What about the Nikon, how does it do with Nikon glass ? Most Nikon users in the 3 clubs I'm in seem to use Sigma or Tamron glass (doesnt Nikon make affordable glass ?) and how is the Nikons BIF AF then ? Real world vs specs on paper fanboiz.
D850 all day... specs are just better suited to my needs... having said that, I've always had Nikon camera's so the d850 is just the icing on the cake for me 👍
The d850 is still sold out everywhere, I am trying to find somewhere to order one from and so far only one website says they have it in stock, I just hope its true
Buy the one you want to buy; your customers won't care. No one will stop you and say: "Your burst rate was a bit low on this fantastic shot!" or "Let me compare your shots, to someone who shot the same event on the rival system". One camera does not destroy the other, in fact in the real world, one has absolutely no bearing on the works of the other, unless you are using both at the same time, and like to make visual comparisons; which of course no one does in the real world. At the end of the day, it's your money, there's no right or wrong; choose the one you want, and go take some nice pictures. To be fair, I think this is Fro's conclusion; could have just said that from the get go.
Canon... I have been using a 7D-Mkii for almost 2 years now and am happy with it. Was looking to add a full frame and some new lenses soon but will wait and see if a 5D-Mkv has major upgrades (I suspect it will). I won't bash Nikon because they are definitely pushing the envelope right now, but I have always been suspect of some issues they have had in the past. My brother has a professional video company in Florida and uses 2 5D-Mkiii's for all his work. I asked him if he was gonna upgrade to 4K Video and he said "No way". Too much money to upgrade all of his equipment to edit it, and to this point no customer has ever asked him if he shoots 4K.
Nikon are not using Expeed 5, Jared. but Toshiba Cortex M4F 100 Mhz (Image Processor). D850 using Toshiba Engines, thats why its a great camera. _(TOSHIBA is the creator of the mighty 41Mp Nokia Lumia Camera many years ago)_
Christos Phillippou Canon had been lately checking up patience of it's users. It should realize that it's rivals are really bringing good products at much competitive prices.
I could watch hundreds of these videos, but in the end Nikon always "feels" better. I know, this is not a very substantial opinion, but that's the way it is.
I love talking specs; srsly, I am a gearhead. When I baught my first DSLR I was checking facts and statistics what to buy. At this time it was only Canon vs Nikon, so I went to the store and tried both. The user interface / menu system and the Overall handling was the breaking point for me. What are the benefits of technical surpremacy when I don't like the camera as a tool? I went with Canon, I am invested in a sh**load of L- lenses and stuff. I see the aspects of a Sony A7R ii, Nikon D850... But I don't want to change, the features of other cameras don't make mine worst. The 5dIV is a great cam, and in real life some of my favorite shots were taken with a 70D, a 6D or even my old 1000D. And nobody looked ever at my wall and asked me what camera i used for this or that photo.
This is SUCH a hard choice for me. You told me exactly what I need to do at 12:36 - you said, "If you're somebody that's shooting video and you need continuous autofocus, you're going with the Canon." That's ME. But the fact that it uses old technology worries me because I don't plan to upgrade for another 4 years or so. Am I making the wrong choice since it doesn't have all the latest technology? Or does that even matter if my main problem is that I need a camera that can focus really well? I have a UA-cam channel and I'm a one-woman show. I have had plenty of shots ruined because my Nikon D7100 just doesn't focus. Hmmmm.......
I bought my daughter a Nikon D750 last year and myself a Mark IV just the other day (used, still hasn't made it here yet). I have always used Canon (over 30 years) which is why I went with it but I love my daughters D750 and steal it all the time. That's a great camera. I would love to try that 850. But hopefully my Mark IV which I haven't got to use yet doesn't stink as bad as this review seemed to make it. I just have always loved Canon menus and overall ease of use plus have too much glass to throw away. I've wanted a mark iv since it came out but the prices were always too high.
I have a D850 and a D500. I use back-button focusing on both. With regards to the switching from continuous to single and back again, this can easily be done by assigning this function to this function, which I have done and switching is a joy. Also, one finds that shooting in 46 MP has its shortcomings like you say, it is very simple to change to a lower res in the menu of the D850. Thus, delete the two checks from the Canon and call it a draw.
I just bought D850 and it is great. My skill is lacking miles behind. But if you consider shooting videos more than photos, I would still recommend 5D4 because of the focus system in video mode. If you use a rig and focus follower all the time, I guess the difference in focus system does not make a difference any more. At that point, I will go with D850.
Right conclusion Jared !It depends on what gear you have already. In my case - there´s no option to switch to Nikon due to (too) many canon glass. Of course the Nikon D850 is the better camera in summary.
Nikon has been ahead on their sensors for years. When the D3 and D300 were released Canon fell behind and stayed there. But they battled back with excellent feature-sets that kept them competitive, even if the Nikon IQ was a bit better. But with the D850 Nikon simply went crazy and nailed it. Best DSLR in the world, which is saying a LOT because all of the DSLRs out there are great. The D850 can do it all and leads in almost every area.
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even before (now Fuji-Guy) i was a canon"guy" but hands down Nikon on this.
Then why is that a reason to hate Fuji? The X-T2 is arguably the best APS-C camera on the market right now. I shot full frame for years before I switched to Fuji (the most recent being the Nikon D750) and don't miss full frame at all. Full frame doesn't offer that much over APS-C these days. The difference in a lot of cases is negligible.
The specs don't lie, but that being said there is a lot more to a camera than what is on paper. At this end of the gear scale you are going to be getting most of your performance out of knowing your gear, having good lenses and knowing your way around your chosen body.
but pentax won by far on the sensor side (for half of the price) : dynamic range, high iso, colors ... which put Canon in a ridiculous situation when you think it's about taking photo in first place :D But shooting in focus fake 4K might have interest, I won't say opposite
I'm a Nikon shooter but like the honesty you gave about both cameras but I already own two Nikon's but they are old model but looking forward to upgrade one of my bodies and I'm thinking to get that 850 in the future.
Really love MyGearVault - so thanks for that. I think manufacturers need to lower their pricing faster if they have long production cycles. The Canon is already a year old, and shouldn't be priced the same as a brand new Nikon with newer features. They should lower by at least 15% each year. That would teach a lesson to the manufacturers as well - don't wait 4-5 years between models! I'm a Canon shooter, but I wouldn't buy the Mark IV. I also wouldn't get the 5DSR at this time. I think it's worth waiting for Canon's response to all the great products that came out this past year, i.e. Sony A9 and Nikon D850. But it drives me crazy to see how many people jump ship from one manufacturer to another just because of the latest shiny thing.
Jared Thank you for the excellent comparison between the Nikon D850 vs the Canon 5D Mark 4. I have used Nikon cameras for years. You gave me the information I need to continue using Nikon!
I already have the 5d kit. But if I had to start over I would still go with the canon this time. Yes the Nikon is awesome if your gonna maximize the features. I still value the Canon service center. And my previous canon cameras and lenses have been flawless. I used the service center due to my own fault. I need the continuous video focus. 30 mp is plenty for me. 99% of my images are viewed on my iPad. My $8k canon kit is just fine. The equivalent Nikon kit would cost $10k. I won’t see a $2k image quality increase with the Nikon.
They are both great cameras...as a Canon 5D4 owner I can only say I am more than happy with my camera. The D850 is an awesome camera and only help keep the competition (Canon) on their toes. That way Canon don't fall to sleep.
CANON guy here over 40 years. So I have to go where the glass is. But you nail this! Love your content. And I have to agree with that wind tunnel test too. ALWAYS refer beginner's to your channel. Thanks! You do not disappoint!
I never use continuous focus for video, much prefer rack focusing. The D850 has focus peaking, which is very helpful if the depth of field is very shallow. Great video Jared.
I'm using the Nikon D850. I'm very much impressed with the picture quality and performance, but when it comes to shooting videos it's a struggle. The Autofocus in the D850 is so confusing and we can't trust on it. It keeps hunting always. Can you do a video about the Nikon D850 video autofocus and to resolve the issues.
When was the Canon introduced vs. this Nikon? Maybe this might be an anwer to differences... About lenses: Canon wins hands down; certainly concidering their latest new-ones. Just my 2 cnts.
If I were starting again, I would likely go with the Fuji XT2. I had the chance to try this Camera and I was smiling from ear to ear with it. It is the only camera I have tried whose ergonomics match Canon for comfort and usability (speaking for myself). The picture and colour quality is also excellent- even the jpegs with the film simulations are superb. I will be adding the Fuji as a second system next year. Between the two in the video, As I said in my main comment in Jared's pinned post. I had the chance to jump to Nikon but chose to stay with Canon and I'm happy with my decision.
I'd say the Nikon seems better for photos and video, BUT I have used Canon and I have used Nikon, the Nikon DSLRs have a very confusing messed up UI... Also yes, the autofocus of the Nikon one is its weak point... Now if you can live with those two, then go and buy the Nikon since it's actually better, especially in video, but let me tell you that using Canon is a less stressful way of doing things.
no. this feature isn't that important. everybody is talking about dynamic range instead to learn to set the settings right I don't care about dynamic range to much because if you know how to work with your camera you really don't need to.
i do sometimes landscapes I use my tripod, do multiple raw shots with different exposure and put them together in Lightroom also the most cameras have the option to do In-camera HDR. as i said: you have to know how to use the camera you have. the cameras these days already are capable of a lot and a pretty high dynamic range. it is indeed nice to have more but if you NEED more then... the best photos are thoose which don't need a lot of editing to look awesome.
Currently, you could not get the D850 if you wanted it due to supply issues. It is a great camera, but the 5D MK IV is not too shabby. The only thing is I wish Canon would stop using the anti-alias filter. Other than that, if you never saw the specs on either camera, I believe most of us would be happy with either one. Myself included, I wonder if we get hung up on specs instead of our skills. When the D810 came out, Canon responded a few months later with the 5DS and 5DS/R. I have to believe that Canon will announce and/or have available upgrades to these cameras within a few months. Cant see going wrong with either camera. Don't see the cost justification of selling one system to switch to another because of the 5d MK IV. Unless Canon really drops the ball with their next high pixel upgrade, don't see I real need to switch. Either way, I see both as great choices with an edge to Nikon at this time until the next Canon upgrade. Remember, Nikon was being knocked a few months ago and they came out with the great D850. Lets see how Canon responds.
Agreed about the AA filter. I think it's safe to say that the camera world has moved on. The benefits to not having one now outweigh any advantages in having one.
D850 all the way on this one. Just real comfy when it comes to my Nikon! It would be a different outcome if it were the 1DX even being a Nikon shooter!
I watched this video 4 hours ago... Half way, I turned off my Laptop, went downtown and bought Nikon D850 and just returned and posting this news here. Thanks for guiding me.
If you want to shoot video, just activate the function of the rig and the focus follower. It’s like an auto focus on its main competitor. It can also shoot an 8K video. On this case, it’s game over, NIKON D850 wins.
He said he shot this review video with the Nikon D850, but how do you stop the Nikon from hunting back and forth all the time? This video looked perfect and other YT videos just show poor hunting auto focus for the Nikon
So I am a Canon user, but I only have an APS-C Camera. I've been wanting to upgrade to full frame, but so far all new Canon cameras that came out were a bit disappointing (I do both video and photography, and no camera was really satisfying in both areas). Now that I see how amazing the D850 is I am seriously considering switching. Would that be a good idea considering I won't be able to use my APS-C gear anymore anyways? I do have 2 full-frame lenses however. I'm kind of torn - I honestly like Canon and they have a great lens selection, but I can't just keep staying with the hoping for a satisfying new camera someday when Nikon steps up and gets stuff like the D850 out.
Try the 5D4, hire one, use it, like it, It's a great camera, really great, and personally I couldn't wish for anything more. There are also a lot of people here who have to defend their Nikon purchases and comments like crippled, Nikon all day, Nikon running the race alone are kind of stupid and childish, the end result is what matters and Canon gives me the colours, the sharpness and faithful reproduction of the scene I shot. As for viewing on an iPad, for heavens sake, get a 27" high res monitor and see your photos pop ...
Just sell all your Canon stuff on eBay. It's so easy to switch systems especially if you don't really have that much stuff. Even if you already had all the main lenses, you could still switch.
please do a comparison between cannon 6dm2 and 5dm3. I have a 6dm1 and I'd like to upgrade for a better autofocusing system; with a price difference of only $300, what should I upgrade to???
Hi Jared, Sorry I might have missed if you pointed out where to see the sample videos. I do videos and I don't use continuous auto focus (although it's nice to have that feature). For me the problem is colour representation in the low light. Is there any low light comparison for these two cameras? I found out that not only the colour representation changes with low light (cracking up the iso) but also the dynamic range. I imagine the original spec dynamic range is based on the sensor native iso. If we increase the iso to let's say 4 or even 8 times of the native iso, how dynamic range is going to be impacted? I mean not on the paper but in a shooting scenario, and plus the grading. Thank you.
I am well aware of that but that's the current lineup. On top of that the point is Canon chose to use a lot of old tech in a new body where Nikon did not. So right there's a major difference.
Kind of. If you use back button focus you can set the joystick to continuously focus using one of the AF-area modes. Set it using pencil icon > Controls > Custom control assignment > joystick icon (bottom left) > Af-area mode + AF-On > Auto-area AF No if you press the joystick down the camera will continuously focus until you release the joystick button.
Jared, how do i change the iso on a d750 while filming?? I can change the shutter and the aperture but I can`t figure out how to change the iso!!! Please help. there seems o be nobody who can tell me!! thanks!!!
I've moved (in the menu) to have the ISO button attached to my 'video record' button, so I can just hold it down and change ISO to wherever I wish. Not sure if that's what you're looking for, as I'm not sure if you mean while 'videoing or single image' shooting? I never use my D750 for video...or any DSLR I've owned actually.
Seeing all the features of the D850 makes me wonder what Canon is doing all day long. The Mark IV came out barely a year ago and is WAY behind the new Nikon! It's like they're sabotaging themselves!
Jared, how would you compare the D500 and D850 AF performances? Do you think that the only difference is the points spread or, as many people are saying, the D500 does have a better keep rate?
Terrific video. You take the spec sheets for each camera, write them on a piece of cardboard and recite them back. Added value is next to nil. But, judging by the number of views, there are plenty of people out there who cannot compare two spec sheets on their own. So I guess there is a market for this kind of "expertise". Keep up what you're doing and I'll also get back to what I was doing before wasting 10 minutes of my life on this.
Hi Jared, I like your work and thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have a question. Now that Nikon come up with the Mirrorless DSLR, do you think they'll still make the mirrorred cameras such as a D850 replacement. Thank you for your time.
Thank you Mr. Jared Polin for this vedio..... :-) but I have a question for make a dicision .... I am a Nikon DX body user ... I love this brands camera .... I am a wedding photographer.... But now I want to start also wedding Cinematography with fx body .... So what you think which one is better for me 6d mark 2 , 5d mark 4 or D750 , D850???
I’m new in photography and I I’m so into it. I want to know which one is great for my first professional camera to buy? I mean for beginners I want to start with great professional camera in order to prevent changing it in near future! and stick with it for long time! Can anyone tell me?
Hey man...! Thanks for the video!! You spoke about only specs..! But what about the color producing these two nice cameras? Which one is better? Don't underestimate this feature! What would you say? Cheers.
im a Canon 70D with apcs lenses....and need to upgrade to a FF , i need to be quick shooting and im not imagining learning again all over the software in nikon ...i shoot architectura, fashion, street, sports.....any tips?
I found with the 850 you can assign the joystick button to switch between single and continuous, I hate the fact Nikon have changed the iso button, my 800e position was much more usuable ... .a few gripes but no doubt a very high spec camera.....view finder sucks so be warned !
The successor of the 5D IV, namely the EOS R had even lower specs than the 5D IV. The R5 was the camera which punched things forward. But when I looked at the prices in this video and at the R5 price when launched…
You can pick either the D850 or the 5D Mari IV, which do you choose and why?
Jared Polin hey Jared Thnks for your videos.......
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D850.. because of ISO performance and no crop video
well .. .I would take Canon ... as all my lenses are Canon compatible ... otherwise I would wait for next Canon model as I like Canon from the user experience point
i bought the 5d because i'm a canon user, but the nikon is a great camera
I will go with the Nikon D850 anytime
I know you're trying to be objective but come on...the D850 is crushing the 5DM IV.
Dude if u look for specs then a chinese phone will give u a kickass spec....but quality matters. I m not saying that nikon is a Chinese knockoff but a guy buying 3grand dslr would look at his lens collection
Pritam Chakraborty Nikon has some great glasa.
At the end, no matter how many great specs the Nikon may have, what matters is the end product.
end product = great specs + fan-ism ?
There's a good reason Canon and Nikon are the two big brand.. and nowadays Nikon is kicking Canon ass so they wake up (or stop their idiot market segmentation). Intel and AMD are doing the same .. some years Intel kicks asses, this year it's AMD.. so goes the market
I'm a Canon user and couldn't agree more. Canon is just not innovating anymore. Their technology is old, they are trying to earn big by ripping off customers. In case of video, people say that Canon doesn't want to affect their cinema camera market by giving good video functionalities in their DSLRs... but Sony has a Cinema camera line too... how are they putting such great specs in their full frame mirrorless cameras for such a comparatively cheaper price? Canon probably needs new managers and marketing analysts.
Pretty Simple, If you are a Canon shooter, don't buy a D850 lol, wont fit your lenses...
Zaber Ansary These comparisons are kinda pointless because of this. As a beginner you shouldn't buy this anyway (or go for it if you have shittons of money and don't know what to do with it).
If you are in a position to buy a cam like these you'll buy the one you have the lenses for anyways
tolga1cool I wouldn’t say they are pointless, handy for people moving up to full frame. When I went full frame i switched systems completely. Vids like these were handy.
Maybe not pointless. But if you are gonna drop 3000+ on a cam you should know what you're getting into imho
tolga1cool yeah you are right there, I owned canon, Nikon and Sony Apsc cameras before going FF.
LOL!!
The Canon Fan boys will like canon...... The Nikon Fan boys will like nikon.Both are great cameras. But at the end of the day,The skill of the photographer matters!!
KingSkib yes but cameras matter too. Take the Nikon for example. With that resolution you can crop a hell of a lot and fix your composition. With that DR you can alter your picture like crazy to fix your lighting. Even a shitty photographer's photos can be improved by the D850 and photoshop.
I am sorry but not all about skill, camera and lenses matters as well.
I'm a Canon fan, but I say that Nikon is Beast Mode yo.
It is true! Fanboys just love having and playing with cameras like toys instead of doing art.
Most of them cant make good picture even if their life depended on it so it dont matter what camera is used..
Why am i seeing this? I dont even have $50 in my pocket :(
You probably got more than me though ...
Holla from Kolkata m8, paying a $50/month EMI for my D5300 lmao
Chief ReusTATOR khub bhalo m8 😁 I think of saving a years income from now to get a full frame.
Which one are you gonna get? I wanna trade the D5300 for a D500 in a couple of years when I get bored of it
I don't even have a pocket
Jared, I appreciate your style of reviews and your style of teaching. No BS, no fluff, just the good stuff. Thank you for your dedication and the time you take to make these videos
I'm a Canon user, and I'll agree, the D850 is a much higher performing camera in almost every category. That being said, the camera that you can use the best/the most fluidly, will yield the best photos for you. I stayed with Canon and got the 5D Mark IV, for a few reasons. (1). I have, and am used to my Canon glass, how it renders how it handles different lighting scenarios etc. (2). I rarely need more than 20-25MP, much less 45. (3). I never shoot video, ever...if it was up to me they would take it out of SLRs and just make the camera lighter and less expensive. and (4). I prefer Canon's default color profiles, yes you can tweak raw to look however you want but that's just another step to add to the workflow. At the end of the day, there are a lot of non-quantitative, quality of life aspects that affect how a camera system handles, and how it influences your workflow. The most important decision is to pick the one that fits yours best so you can continue to enjoy photography and not be bogged down with gear and workflow quirks. Happy shooting everybody!
I agree totally on these companies should take the 'video' aspect, right out of the DSLR! Buy a dedicated video camera for video! These dedicated video cameras are downright low cost items these days, and as you say, adding quality features plus lower weight would be much better!
It's all about enabling you to use the lenses you have already for video as well without spending thousands of dollars extra. I don't use it much either but I like the option. Pros (with enough money) will buy a video camera I think.
I'm a Nikon shooter but I prefer the colors out of the camera from Canon.
CastrejonHDTV Even colors I think depends on what you shoot. Canons seem to have more subtle control over reds but lose a little in Greens. Nikons have great greens, especially when working in Adobe RGB (if I shot landscapes id definitely shoot Nikon)
hmmm... a lot of words. Jarad (aka, 'That Nikon Guy') just said the Canon 5D4 had better 4K video quality than the Nikon D850, and he also said the Canon has superb, market leading AF on video (and live view stills, btw), whereas the D850 has terrible AF during video. Miss focus, and your shot is toast. You Nikon fanboiz crack me up.
The other issue not covered here is sports still shot AF. I do know the 5D4 AFs on birds-in-flight really well, if using Canon Glass, and drogonflies in flight down @ the pond should be no problem. Canon excells in this. What about the Nikon, how does it do with Nikon glass ? Most Nikon users in the 3 clubs I'm in seem to use Sigma or Tamron glass (doesnt Nikon make affordable glass ?) and how is the Nikons BIF AF then ?
Real world vs specs on paper fanboiz.
I dont know who the better
The only thing I know is I can not afford both of it.
Uddy Effect you mean afford
me too
Nikon is running alone in this race
@@mikezupancic2182 What Canon lens would a Nikon user want?
D850 all day... specs are just better suited to my needs... having said that, I've always had Nikon camera's so the d850 is just the icing on the cake for me 👍
im a nikon user
There is a reason the Nikon D850 is sold out EVERYWHERE and there are plenty of Canon 5D MKIV's in stock anywhere.
TheArmedRN lol I see why you say that?
The d850 is still sold out everywhere, I am trying to find somewhere to order one from and so far only one website says they have it in stock, I just hope its true
Supply & demand.
There’s more canon mkiv being made bc ppl buy them more. (:
Buy the one you want to buy; your customers won't care. No one will stop you and say: "Your burst rate was a bit low on this fantastic shot!" or "Let me compare your shots, to someone who shot the same event on the rival system". One camera does not destroy the other, in fact in the real world, one has absolutely no bearing on the works of the other, unless you are using both at the same time, and like to make visual comparisons; which of course no one does in the real world. At the end of the day, it's your money, there's no right or wrong; choose the one you want, and go take some nice pictures. To be fair, I think this is Fro's conclusion; could have just said that from the get go.
Canon... I have been using a 7D-Mkii for almost 2 years now and am happy with it. Was looking to add a full frame and some new lenses soon but will wait and see if a 5D-Mkv has major upgrades (I suspect it will). I won't bash Nikon because they are definitely pushing the envelope right now, but I have always been suspect of some issues they have had in the past. My brother has a professional video company in Florida and uses 2 5D-Mkiii's for all his work. I asked him if he was gonna upgrade to 4K Video and he said "No way". Too much money to upgrade all of his equipment to edit it, and to this point no customer has ever asked him if he shoots 4K.
I just tested out the D850... it is pretty amazing... I am thinking about upgrading from my 5d mark III
Nikon are not using Expeed 5, Jared.
but Toshiba Cortex M4F 100 Mhz (Image Processor).
D850 using Toshiba Engines, thats why its a great camera.
_(TOSHIBA is the creator of the mighty 41Mp Nokia Lumia Camera many years ago)_
Nasty wake up call for Canon, excellent presentation Jared, always great uploads, kudos.
Christos Phillippou Canon had been lately checking up patience of it's users. It should realize that it's rivals are really bringing good products at much competitive prices.
I could watch hundreds of these videos, but in the end Nikon always "feels" better. I know, this is not a very substantial opinion, but that's the way it is.
I love talking specs; srsly, I am a gearhead.
When I baught my first DSLR I was checking facts and statistics what to buy. At this time it was only Canon vs Nikon, so I went to the store and tried both. The user interface / menu system and the Overall handling was the breaking point for me. What are the benefits of technical surpremacy when I don't like the camera as a tool?
I went with Canon, I am invested in a sh**load of L- lenses and stuff. I see the aspects of a Sony A7R ii, Nikon D850... But I don't want to change, the features of other cameras don't make mine worst. The 5dIV is a great cam, and in real life some of my favorite shots were taken with a 70D, a 6D or even my old 1000D.
And nobody looked ever at my wall and asked me what camera i used for this or that photo.
didn't age well
This is SUCH a hard choice for me. You told me exactly what I need to do at 12:36 - you said, "If you're somebody that's shooting video and you need continuous autofocus, you're going with the Canon." That's ME. But the fact that it uses old technology worries me because I don't plan to upgrade for another 4 years or so. Am I making the wrong choice since it doesn't have all the latest technology? Or does that even matter if my main problem is that I need a camera that can focus really well? I have a UA-cam channel and I'm a one-woman show. I have had plenty of shots ruined because my Nikon D7100 just doesn't focus. Hmmmm.......
If you are not going to upgrade for years, you can afford to rent each for a week and test them out.
Did you finally upgrade your camera?) I have D7100 too now
I bought my daughter a Nikon D750 last year and myself a Mark IV just the other day (used, still hasn't made it here yet). I have always used Canon (over 30 years) which is why I went with it but I love my daughters D750 and steal it all the time. That's a great camera. I would love to try that 850. But hopefully my Mark IV which I haven't got to use yet doesn't stink as bad as this review seemed to make it. I just have always loved Canon menus and overall ease of use plus have too much glass to throw away. I've wanted a mark iv since it came out but the prices were always too high.
I have a D850 and a D500. I use back-button focusing on both. With regards to the switching from continuous to single and back again, this can easily be done by assigning this function to this function, which I have done and switching is a joy. Also, one finds that shooting in 46 MP has its shortcomings like you say, it is very simple to change to a lower res in the menu of the D850. Thus, delete the two checks from the Canon and call it a draw.
The heavy weight championship! I'll go for the Nikon by the way
I just bought D850 and it is great. My skill is lacking miles behind. But if you consider shooting videos more than photos, I would still recommend 5D4 because of the focus system in video mode. If you use a rig and focus follower all the time, I guess the difference in focus system does not make a difference any more. At that point, I will go with D850.
Right conclusion Jared !It depends on what gear you have already. In my case - there´s no option to switch to Nikon due to (too) many canon glass. Of course the Nikon D850 is the better camera in summary.
Nikon has been ahead on their sensors for years. When the D3 and D300 were released Canon fell behind and stayed there. But they battled back with excellent feature-sets that kept them competitive, even if the Nikon IQ was a bit better. But with the D850 Nikon simply went crazy and nailed it. Best DSLR in the world, which is saying a LOT because all of the DSLRs out there are great. The D850 can do it all and leads in almost every area.
even before (now Fuji-Guy) i was a canon"guy" but hands down Nikon on this.
Tomas Nilsén I hate Fuji because they're not freaking full frame.
Do you hate every camera that's not full frame, then? Seems a bit unreasonable.
KentuckyMan30 No, I don't.
Then why is that a reason to hate Fuji? The X-T2 is arguably the best APS-C camera on the market right now. I shot full frame for years before I switched to Fuji (the most recent being the Nikon D750) and don't miss full frame at all. Full frame doesn't offer that much over APS-C these days. The difference in a lot of cases is negligible.
The specs don't lie, but that being said there is a lot more to a camera than what is on paper. At this end of the gear scale you are going to be getting most of your performance out of knowing your gear, having good lenses and knowing your way around your chosen body.
I will go for D850 as I am a Nikon Shooter and this is the one which i would want to add in my army of cameras to get good business.Thanks Jared.
No contest: the D850 wins.
Nikon wins the missed focus during video comp.
... wins the worst AF on video contest... no wait... Pentax might be leading here.
but pentax won by far on the sensor side (for half of the price) : dynamic range, high iso, colors ... which put Canon in a ridiculous situation when you think it's about taking photo in first place :D
But shooting in focus fake 4K might have interest, I won't say opposite
Wins doesn't really say it very well. How about the Canon got shot down and pissed on. That's a little more accurate.
Consider A7RIII .. amzn.to/2LrsaBt
I see myself using d850 for the next 5 years...but not the canon...at least nikon is trying to hear their customers...not like fuji but they try
I'm a Nikon shooter but like the honesty you gave about both cameras but I already own two Nikon's but they are old model but looking forward to upgrade one of my bodies and I'm thinking to get that 850 in the future.
Really love MyGearVault - so thanks for that. I think manufacturers need to lower their pricing faster if they have long production cycles. The Canon is already a year old, and shouldn't be priced the same as a brand new Nikon with newer features. They should lower by at least 15% each year. That would teach a lesson to the manufacturers as well - don't wait 4-5 years between models! I'm a Canon shooter, but I wouldn't buy the Mark IV. I also wouldn't get the 5DSR at this time. I think it's worth waiting for Canon's response to all the great products that came out this past year, i.e. Sony A9 and Nikon D850. But it drives me crazy to see how many people jump ship from one manufacturer to another just because of the latest shiny thing.
Jared Thank you for the excellent comparison between the Nikon D850 vs the Canon 5D Mark 4. I have used Nikon cameras for years. You gave me the information I need to continue using Nikon!
the only reason I would consider the canon over the Nikon is because of the continuous autofocus in video. I shoot stills and video.
Hi Jared, you also forget the focus peaking. Little thing, just good for videos, old AI/AI-S lenses, and should be added on DSLRs for many years.
I already have the 5d kit. But if I had to start over I would still go with the canon this time. Yes the Nikon is awesome if your gonna maximize the features. I still value the Canon service center. And my previous canon cameras and lenses have been flawless. I used the service center due to my own fault. I need the continuous video focus. 30 mp is plenty for me. 99% of my images are viewed on my iPad. My $8k canon kit is just fine. The equivalent Nikon kit would cost $10k. I won’t see a $2k image quality increase with the Nikon.
D850 all day. The 5DM4 has a very inefficient video codec.
thanks jared! u know how long i was waiting for a real comparison between these two. i’m getting the Nikon.
They are both great cameras...as a Canon 5D4 owner I can only say I am more than happy with my camera. The D850 is an awesome camera and only help keep the competition (Canon) on their toes. That way Canon don't fall to sleep.
I am a professional Canon user with one great lens and one mediocre lens. Is it worth the added expense to convert to Nikon for the D850?
CANON guy here over 40 years. So I have to go where the glass is. But you nail this! Love your content. And I have to agree with that wind tunnel test too. ALWAYS refer beginner's to your channel. Thanks! You do not disappoint!
+Michael Scott thanks man.
I want 6d mark ii vs d750 video ...plz upload asap
omkar kulkarni d750 wins even though im an 80D user..ive used one of my member's d750 and its image quality is so so so better
GoldenSupra :D but i also want to use the camera for video
Mako Sports i primarily work on photography but I do like shoot short film
GoldenSupra :D ISO and DR are not all image quality.
YES
I never use continuous focus for video, much prefer rack focusing.
The D850 has focus peaking, which is very helpful if the depth of field is very shallow.
Great video Jared.
I'm using the Nikon D850. I'm very much impressed with the picture quality and performance, but when it comes to shooting videos it's a struggle. The Autofocus in the D850 is so confusing and we can't trust on it. It keeps hunting always. Can you do a video about the Nikon D850 video autofocus and to resolve the issues.
There's a reason the d3500 blows the 80d out of the water for photo
Nikon>canon
When was the Canon introduced vs. this Nikon? Maybe this might be an anwer to differences...
About lenses: Canon wins hands down; certainly concidering their latest new-ones.
Just my 2 cnts.
I continue to be impressed by how impartial that you are in these reviews.
great job bro!!! still waiting for my d-850 from B&H..
If I were starting again, I would likely go with the Fuji XT2. I had the chance to try this Camera and I was smiling from ear to ear with it. It is the only camera I have tried whose ergonomics match Canon for comfort and usability (speaking for myself). The picture and colour quality is also excellent- even the jpegs with the film simulations are superb. I will be adding the Fuji as a second system next year.
Between the two in the video, As I said in my main comment in Jared's pinned post. I had the chance to jump to Nikon but chose to stay with Canon and I'm happy with my decision.
I'd say the Nikon seems better for photos and video, BUT I have used Canon and I have used Nikon, the Nikon DSLRs have a very confusing messed up UI... Also yes, the autofocus of the Nikon one is its weak point... Now if you can live with those two, then go and buy the Nikon since it's actually better, especially in video, but let me tell you that using Canon is a less stressful way of doing things.
what about DINAMIC RANGE. I think its more important feature then half of those you picked in this video?
Hrvoje Gabric The D850 slays the 5D in dynamic range.
i know, but he didnt mention it ;)
no. this feature isn't that important.
everybody is talking about dynamic range instead to learn to set the settings right
I don't care about dynamic range to much because if you know how to work with your camera you really don't need to.
so, u are not a landscape photographer.
i do sometimes landscapes
I use my tripod, do multiple raw shots with different exposure and put them together in Lightroom
also the most cameras have the option to do In-camera HDR.
as i said: you have to know how to use the camera you have. the cameras these days already are capable of a lot and a pretty high dynamic range. it is indeed nice to have more but if you NEED more then...
the best photos are thoose which don't need a lot of editing to look awesome.
I've been a Canon shooter from the 3megapixel PowerShot days. I currently have a T7 but would switch to the D850 over the Mark4 any day
Fair comparison would be d750 versus canon d5 mark iv ... d810 already kills the canon, let alone the d850
Milan Tesic is the 5D mark iv better for video and d850 better for photos?
I watched a few videos about this 850 and QXD and it was getting no where close to the buffer claims... Much closer to 20(ish)
Currently, you could not get the D850 if you wanted it due to supply issues. It is a great camera, but the 5D MK IV is not too shabby. The only thing is I wish Canon would stop using the anti-alias filter. Other than that, if you never saw the specs on either camera, I believe most of us would be happy with either one. Myself included, I wonder if we get hung up on specs instead of our skills. When the D810 came out, Canon responded a few months later with the 5DS and 5DS/R. I have to believe that Canon will announce and/or have available upgrades to these cameras within a few months. Cant see going wrong with either camera. Don't see the cost justification of selling one system to switch to another because of the 5d MK IV. Unless Canon really drops the ball with their next high pixel upgrade, don't see I real need to switch. Either way, I see both as great choices with an edge to Nikon at this time until the next Canon upgrade. Remember, Nikon was being knocked a few months ago and they came out with the great D850. Lets see how Canon responds.
Agreed about the AA filter. I think it's safe to say that the camera world has moved on. The benefits to not having one now outweigh any advantages in having one.
D850 all the way on this one. Just real comfy when it comes to my Nikon! It would be a different outcome if it were the 1DX even being a Nikon shooter!
Great review! I think i will go with the
Kodak Star 635
Your videos are excellentlly helpful, you don't miss any minute detail. Thanks
I see the Canon 5D Mark iv has gone down price during the holidays and suspect it will stay at the sale price, what do you think?
Today bought Canon 5D mark 4 and started to worry, good thing I need it for videos. In the future I’ll get Leica for photos
Sir I have a question I'm Going to buy a new camera I'm total confused between Nikon D5600 & Canon 77D which should I buy?
the wind tunel test convinced me
I watched this video 4 hours ago... Half way, I turned off my Laptop, went downtown and bought Nikon D850 and just returned and posting this news here. Thanks for guiding me.
Truly the most honest person out here. My go to for all.
I believe most of us will go with the brand that they invest in lenses...so once I am a Nikon I will stay with Nikon
I would pick the D850 because of the spec and my current investment in Nikon products.
Thanks Jared for the review you made the choice a lot simpler, the Canon it is !!
phynx2006 j
Nice tips. I'm a Nikon fan, but I believe the superior video recording ability in Cannon outweighs many other shortcomings.
If you want to shoot video, just activate the function of the rig and the focus follower. It’s like an auto focus on its main competitor. It can also shoot an 8K video. On this case, it’s game over, NIKON D850 wins.
He said he shot this review video with the Nikon D850, but how do you stop the Nikon from hunting back and forth all the time? This video looked perfect and other YT videos just show poor hunting auto focus for the Nikon
So I am a Canon user, but I only have an APS-C Camera. I've been wanting to upgrade to full frame, but so far all new Canon cameras that came out were a bit disappointing (I do both video and photography, and no camera was really satisfying in both areas). Now that I see how amazing the D850 is I am seriously considering switching. Would that be a good idea considering I won't be able to use my APS-C gear anymore anyways? I do have 2 full-frame lenses however. I'm kind of torn - I honestly like Canon and they have a great lens selection, but I can't just keep staying with the hoping for a satisfying new camera someday when Nikon steps up and gets stuff like the D850 out.
Try the 5D4, hire one, use it, like it, It's a great camera, really great, and personally I couldn't wish for anything more. There are also a lot of people here who have to defend their Nikon purchases and comments like crippled, Nikon all day, Nikon running the race alone are kind of stupid and childish, the end result is what matters and Canon gives me the colours, the sharpness and faithful reproduction of the scene I shot. As for viewing on an iPad, for heavens sake, get a 27" high res monitor and see your photos pop ...
Just sell all your Canon stuff on eBay. It's so easy to switch systems especially if you don't really have that much stuff. Even if you already had all the main lenses, you could still switch.
I went with the D3X, D810 and finally D850. Superb cameras and lenses.
How do I expand the ISO on my D850? I'd like to use it at 32 in some situations.
What about 5D4 vs D810? Seems a closer battle? And D810 still very capable today...
Finally which one better camera Nikon or canon????
How about which one is taller and more professional-looking?
please do a comparison between cannon 6dm2 and 5dm3. I have a 6dm1 and I'd like to upgrade for a better autofocusing system; with a price difference of only $300, what should I upgrade to???
I would like them both...but I do own the 5D4 and I am quite happy with it.
Hi Jared, Sorry I might have missed if you pointed out where to see the sample videos. I do videos and I don't use continuous auto focus (although it's nice to have that feature). For me the problem is colour representation in the low light. Is there any low light comparison for these two cameras? I found out that not only the colour representation changes with low light (cracking up the iso) but also the dynamic range. I imagine the original spec dynamic range is based on the sensor native iso. If we increase the iso to let's say 4 or even 8 times of the native iso, how dynamic range is going to be impacted? I mean not on the paper but in a shooting scenario, and plus the grading. Thank you.
One small point, there is a 1 year gap between the two, and with the fast moving pace of technology, that would make a difference to some extent
I am well aware of that but that's the current lineup. On top of that the point is Canon chose to use a lot of old tech in a new body where Nikon did not. So right there's a major difference.
The D850 can be configured to switch from single focus to continuous by assigning it to the joystick button.
Al Carnali really?
Kind of. If you use back button focus you can set the joystick to continuously focus using one of the AF-area modes.
Set it using pencil icon > Controls > Custom control assignment > joystick icon (bottom left) > Af-area mode + AF-On > Auto-area AF
No if you press the joystick down the camera will continuously focus until you release the joystick button.
where are those sample raws at?? these are the 2 cameras I have narrowed my choices down and would love to see some raws.
To me, a great focusing system is the key to great pics. On that note, Canon for me.
Jared, how do i change the iso on a d750 while filming?? I can change the shutter and the aperture but I can`t figure out how to change the iso!!! Please help. there seems o be nobody who can tell me!! thanks!!!
I've moved (in the menu) to have the ISO button attached to my 'video record' button, so I can just hold it down and change ISO to wherever I wish. Not sure if that's what you're looking for, as I'm not sure if you mean while 'videoing or single image' shooting? I never use my D750 for video...or any DSLR I've owned actually.
That is what i have done too but when it comes to videos that is the record button.
Seeing all the features of the D850 makes me wonder what Canon is doing all day long. The Mark IV came out barely a year ago and is WAY behind the new Nikon! It's like they're sabotaging themselves!
Jared, how would you compare the D500 and D850 AF performances? Do you think that the only difference is the points spread or, as many people are saying, the D500 does have a better keep rate?
hey jared i really dont know what to choose I really like the d850 and all the features inside.....
but i really looking for a better ISO .
Terrific video. You take the spec sheets for each camera, write them on a piece of cardboard and recite them back. Added value is next to nil. But, judging by the number of views, there are plenty of people out there who cannot compare two spec sheets on their own. So I guess there is a market for this kind of "expertise". Keep up what you're doing and I'll also get back to what I was doing before wasting 10 minutes of my life on this.
Hi Jared, I like your work and thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have a question. Now that Nikon come up with the Mirrorless DSLR, do you think they'll still make the mirrorred cameras such as a D850 replacement. Thank you for your time.
Thank you Mr. Jared Polin for this vedio..... :-) but I have a question for make a dicision .... I am a Nikon DX body user ... I love this brands camera .... I am a wedding photographer.... But now I want to start also wedding Cinematography with fx body .... So what you think which one is better for me 6d mark 2 , 5d mark 4 or D750 , D850???
I’m new in photography and I I’m so into it. I want to know which one is great for my first professional camera to buy? I mean for beginners I want to start with great professional camera in order to prevent changing it in near future! and stick with it for long time! Can anyone tell me?
Hey man...! Thanks for the video!! You spoke about only specs..! But what about the color producing these two nice cameras? Which one is better? Don't underestimate this feature! What would you say? Cheers.
C LOG upgrade breaks the 5D MK IV’s photo capabilities, surprised you didn’t mention that.
+Luke Conroy huh? Where’s that info ?
Jared Polin Horizontal banding at lower ISO levels after the update.
Shouldn't it be compared against the 5DSR instead - which I believe has no AA filter as well?
I don't agree. The Atlas of Beauty was shoot with Canon 5D Mark III and Canon 5D Mark IV and thouse portraits are AMAZING!
You were incorrect, you CAN assign a button to where you can be on continuous AF and switch to single point by simply pressing the button. Fyi
im a Canon 70D with apcs lenses....and need to upgrade to a FF , i need to be quick shooting and im not imagining learning again all over the software in nikon ...i shoot architectura, fashion, street, sports.....any tips?
I found with the 850 you can assign the joystick button to switch between single and continuous, I hate the fact Nikon have changed the iso button, my 800e position was much more usuable ... .a few gripes but no doubt a very high spec camera.....view finder sucks so be warned !
The successor of the 5D IV, namely the EOS R had even lower specs than the 5D IV.
The R5 was the camera which punched things forward.
But when I looked at the prices in this video and at the R5 price when launched…