@@catbertsis it feels counterproductive to me to recommend that to climb the ladder "My build doesn't work against this guy so instead of trying something new and practicing I'll just avoid them" Like, at this point just play unranked lol
I'm a lower diamond zerg, but I've encountered this many, many times and generally deflect this without much problem at my part of the ladder - I almost always open 17 hatch 17 pool, but for whatever you opening is the premise is pretty much the same- scout at 16 supply, if you get to thier base and you know they're doing a proxy, stop at 18 workers, save up for the extra lings, drop one spine and prioritize spending minerals on queens. I played this twice since the video dropped and held with no problems, hope this helps zerg of similar skill.
Ah so you're the reason I've faced this build 3 times today in Masters 3. I should have known. For all the Zergs out there, Lambo's FreeMMR Friday 4 roach/1 ravager + Ling all-in beats this easily. You have to delay a bit with your queens and fisrt 4 lings, but once the 5 roaches pop it's GG
I remember an old video of Harstem. I think it was 4 gate blink, that could always win. He happened to match up against Serral. He did very good but still lost.
The other day, I was thinking... The last time I played on the ladder was before the Adept was a unit... I have never built or used a Disruptor. Even when I did play, it was mostly 2v2 with a friend. I wonder if I could convince Harstem to show me a build order that could get me started on the ladder in 2024. The Captain has read my mind and delivered. I salute you!
I play Zerg -Can confirm it works and I scouted it and I still lost. "You can be braindead as you want to you will be capable of wining games like this" that is also very true. Thank you so much for teaching ppl with disabilities how to take my mmr with 60 apm. Great video !! - This is sarcasm by the way - had to clarify for the protoss players out there. Cheers
I've been dominating zerg with this build for the last 6 months. I'm guessing now this won't work in about a week. Thanks for exposing this beautiful cheese harstem. (Read that sarcastically)
10 years ago in HoTS a bunch of Protoss got GM with a 2gate proxy build. Now Harstems teaching the young Xbox guys some real potent cheddar. Cheesiest man alive, but also the strong player/streamer out there at explaining the how and why everything works.
Holy shit, this actually works. The highest rank I have ever reached was Diamond 3, I saw this build and went directly into ranked without having played the game for over 5 years and instantly beat a Master zerg in 3 minutes! This build is insane haha!
Anyone else feel like the road to rank 1 would have been over by now if Harstem cared as much about scouting as he does about splitting probes on mineral patches?
I am a huge fan of your 'new patch PvT phoenix build' video with it's three bins and reactions to enemy builds. It made me a better PvT player by hundreds of MMR. Now my PvZ is lacking, I do some oracle blink builds I've seen you do, but I feel that PvZ is reactive matchup like PvT, and I would really appreciate a macro PvZ build guide with bins for different responses.
I have figured out this build myself in 2020. After months of struggles to get to the platinum as a zerg. I just sat and facerolled Protos. Immediately into high platinum. I probably was frustrated more than people I won,
So your first overlord arrives on the crime scene, you don't see a low ground wall, it's already uncanny, you don't see a nexus and the moment the main base ramp is empty it is 100% proxy zealots. You cancel your natural queen as it is isolated and it won't be in time for the hold, stop mining gas, you need to plop down a couple of spines and wait for the bastards to come, if there is one or two zealots you can try to kill them right away with drones, if there is three you run around to the best of your ability, buy time for lings and spines to pop. If he kills spines, you rebuild. If he goes for the natural your best bet is to give it up and defend main with spines that must be finished by the time. Killing the flower formation is impossible in the short term so your lings must go threaten his probes. If he recalls, the cheese has been held. As you see holding is much more complicated than executing this cheese 😂. If he kills several drones, that may be enough to overwhelm you with zealots.
how about just building 3 stargates? i felt like forth one wasnt really building and instead build one more pylon (so the stargates can theoretically work longer?
@@debaff6693 no offense but it's funny how you're responding seriously to someone you think is suggesting to make 3 stargates instead of proxying 4 gates.
Meanwhile, theres dumb players like me that do terran and proxy siege tanks. You heard that right. I proxy tanks outside your base. Works all the time, some of the time.
I am the brain-dead guy. Thanks for this build, Harstem. I want to win games without thinking much because I'm in it for the bragging. This is why in WC3 I just mass head hunters with a Far Seer every game because I don't have the intelligence to figure out anyhthing else. If my initial rush doesn't work, i just leave because my brain jams and I can't think of any follow-ups. I will try this as soon as my new mechanical keyboard arrives. As a Protoss, all I do is mass stalkers and try to finish opponent ASAP. I am much too dumb for RTS games.☹
so stop playing builds like this . Becouse if you play that "trick build" you will get much higher mmr that you actually are and if you will try anything else you will play vs somebody much better and he will destroy you. Try play own you own and that way learn "feel" the game and understand it and not just brainless copy cat.
Hello zergs, for those of you who don't wanna deal with this garbage, here's lambo's guide to beating this easily: ua-cam.com/video/DIksjrli-MU/v-deo.htmlsi=nEMZtYkxd1yLQo09
If you're going to wait for 3 zealots chrono your third gateway, should make zealot#3 pop at the same time as the first two. You also will use Chrono 100% on this zealot so even if you lack 50 minerals once they all finish it's fine.
Question is : why does it works this well on Zerg ? Because : - they don't drone scout ? - they can't wall ? - their units suck in few numbers ? - they don't have a range units quickly available ? (Queen is not viable) All of the above ?
I heard what I wanted to hear. "This is called ***deflower*** formation" - yeah, but only if you play it against someone for the first time, you only lose virginity once 😂
In Harstem's defense I've hit GM as Zerg & I've never once defended a 4 Gate while opening with a standard 16 Hatch, 18 Gas, 17 Pool. I think I'm 0~52 or something like that in this scenario. Even with Lambo's guide & knowing it's coming... I just can't.
@@richardgallimore5976 I never open standart hatch-gas-pool in zvp, only 15 hatch 15 pool to disallow nat block and for quick queens and 6 zerglings, if they don't start with adepts and proper wall, you can just win. 15-15 is good for 4-gate-zealot too
@@richardgallimore5976I opened safe macro 17 17 18 and microd, macrod, and multitasked surprisingly well for D2. He even chased my Queen and ling in circles while my 3 spines finished for 20 seconds. So he completely trolled and still won. I picked off lone reinforcements with lings. I didn’t target fire spines though. So idk. Meanwhile they can’t even mess up zealot warp ins. Frustrating.
second game the zerg fucked up bad by not killing the artosis pylon and then running the roaches into your base. It was actually close until that point. Btw Lambo already has a video on how to defend 4 gate proxy hahaha
As some have mentioned, Lambo already did make a guide on how to defend this 3 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/DIksjrli-MU/v-deo.htmlsi=nS1Gtl3Epa98_juH It's actually an excellent resource for how to play it from the protoss side since Lambo also highlights weaknesses of zerg by talking about when you are strong or not as zerg(3:1 ling to zealot ratio is roughly even, the number of necessary spines, paying attention to individually a-click drones when they hold position micro, not going for natural hatch unless you are waiting for more zealots, etc.) The response that is hardest to play against as toss in my experience is fast 3 spine + some lings into as fast as possible roaches (cancel the low ground hatch). One base is great, when you break the pylon the toss is almost always dead unless you took massive eco damage like game 2. If people are often proxying the gates too close at a third base location, you can drone scout both locations cheaply or send the natural overlord over to one of the locations (if it's too late for cannons) -> fast spines and roach warren. Two tricks I like as toss are: 1. checking with the probe and holding until 6 zealots (chrono first two gates) before going if I haven't seen spines or a roach warren, or way too many lings (i.e. they don't know yet). 2. faking a pylon, which often draws quite a ton of drones at ~4k mmr, and probably confuses people (neither cannon rush nor fake cannon rush into economy) so proxy 4 gate is often forgotten. Last comment is that when people hold with lings and 1-2 spines on 1 base, people often think they're safe and at most they mass lings. Without more spines and especially roaches, the zerg is actually on a timer, not you, and you can often wait until ~12 zealots and break 3 split up spines + some lings + queens if you split zealots into two groups.
I forgot you can't cancel the natural before the overlord scout if it's 16 hatch... Also one more trick against 12 pool, leading the lings to your gates with the probe to show your build + hope they start hitting the gates and fighting the zealots is usually the only way to win, and it happens a lot. Usually 12 pool theoretically lets them safely get up a few spines and roach warren and then you're cooked but instead it feels unnatural for them to play spine and roach on 12 pool so they usually flood lings and winrate is not bad in practice at ~4k mmr.
Some comments about Lambo's video, highlighting the fact that you should immediately start the spines upon not seeing the natural (you can cancel if you figure out somehow it's not a proxy 4 gate but this shouldn't happen almost ever). I think it's easier to not play the drone defense while delaying for spines since it's not true that the rush is held as soon as your spines are up (maybe more reliable to play roach warren fast and keep drones out of reach until they pressure your second or third spine). I also think it's a mistake that Lambo doesn't encourage a roach warren ASAP (or at all) because these few spines and lings don't hold 12-15 zealots like game 1 against Mixu (in Lambo's video Skillous sends in his later zealots in small groups immediately which you don't always want to do).
Don't play Hatch first as a low level Zerg. But you can still hold it with 16 Hatch -> 16 Pool but you need drone micro. Lambo has a video on how to hold it. Build 3 spines in your main that are very far apart from each other and far away from the ramp. One has to be IN the mineral line and if he goes for that you defend with your probes (and zerglings). If he goes for the other ones, just cancel them at the last second. When the queen spawns put her close to the spine but attacking zealots takes priority. DON'T mess up the spawning pool placement by building it too far out where it can be attacked by the zealots. Put it behind the mineral line (like always for protoss, Neuro has a video on spawning pool placement depending on matchup, coicidentally he's getting 4 gate proxied too), where it can be defended by the spine in the mineral line. Also pull all drones out of gas, makes it easier.
@@Karttibone what if toss will just stop making zalot . kill 2 hatch and just playe macro ? you lose money for spine and 3 drons so he will be actually ahead in workers + he will get 2 base faster
i dont play starcraft, i just watch it like pro play. but this video made me download and start learning. simple quick cheesy builds make the game more approachable to learn. the game has been too intimidating till now.
Just remember that cheesy builds are a knowledge check. You're locking yourself in a playstyle that either win or fails spectacularly depending on whether or not your opponent knows about it . So it's nice to practice the macro for afterward if that fails (the custom games with AI are very good for that)
so I have done the science to see if the claim was true and all I can say is that I feel un-clean. 3-0 vs Zerg in low diamond. crazier stat, 3-0 vs Terran with very minimal change. an earlier gas plus 4th building of the flower is a cyber core. Feel like it shouldn't work but 3-0 seems like a decent argument in favor of low diamonds simply not knowing how to handle it. going to get some more games in this weekend with it maybe? see if we can climb on an account using only this build.
I like the metagame tips about how to check if a person is searching by spamming them with DMs.
@@catbertsis it feels counterproductive to me to recommend that to climb the ladder
"My build doesn't work against this guy so instead of trying something new and practicing I'll just avoid them"
Like, at this point just play unranked lol
thx harstem for destroying ladder in lower ranks for the month
Oh, I'll try this in Platinum and I'm sure I'll find a way to screw it up.
@@derrickabbey8139 7years ago I got plat1 with 5 games played 4gate zealot. Now I m zerg
@@derrickabbey8139 I do this in plat. Doesn’t work for me if Terran scouts and builds a bunker wall. The other 2 races doesn’t gg out lol
Next month: every map’s tricky cannon rush positions!
@@damnplaylistis cheesing satisfying or fulfilling?
Can confirm it works, game placed me in grandmaster just from opening this video.
Can confirm, I am GM just from reading comments.
Now I have to fight Serrel this weekend. Maybe I should start practising 16 pool in Friday.
That was a funny looking zerg in the first game
14:06 seeing a stalker in a flower build hurts... but I guess I'll allow it
Every flower needs its stalk✨✨
@@felixtpholm9377 jesus
I'm pretty sure Lambo already did a guide how to beat this some years ago, when he started his channel.
Just got annihilated by this 4 times and was very confused until I raged out and went to youtube...
hahaha awesome, we need a good cheese against Terran too though
I'm a lower diamond zerg, but I've encountered this many, many times and generally deflect this without much problem at my part of the ladder - I almost always open 17 hatch 17 pool, but for whatever you opening is the premise is pretty much the same- scout at 16 supply, if you get to thier base and you know they're doing a proxy, stop at 18 workers, save up for the extra lings, drop one spine and prioritize spending minerals on queens. I played this twice since the video dropped and held with no problems, hope this helps zerg of similar skill.
Ah so you're the reason I've faced this build 3 times today in Masters 3. I should have known. For all the Zergs out there, Lambo's FreeMMR Friday 4 roach/1 ravager + Ling all-in beats this easily. You have to delay a bit with your queens and fisrt 4 lings, but once the 5 roaches pop it's GG
I mean if you survive you won. I don’t see how blind countering does anything
What do I do if I learn to use this build to beat GM zergs but still lose to gold league terrans
embrace your new smurf account
I remember an old video of Harstem. I think it was 4 gate blink, that could always win. He happened to match up against Serral. He did very good but still lost.
I think I remember that too lol
The other day, I was thinking... The last time I played on the ladder was before the Adept was a unit... I have never built or used a Disruptor. Even when I did play, it was mostly 2v2 with a friend. I wonder if I could convince Harstem to show me a build order that could get me started on the ladder in 2024. The Captain has read my mind and delivered. I salute you!
I was wondering why almost every Zerg the last day has opened with a pool.
I play Zerg -Can confirm it works and I scouted it and I still lost. "You can be braindead as you want to you will be capable of wining games like this" that is also very true. Thank you so much for teaching ppl with disabilities how to take my mmr with 60 apm. Great video !! - This is sarcasm by the way - had to clarify for the protoss players out there. Cheers
This is probably the best video you uploaded in the last 9 months. Perhaps ever.
lol came
from the live
Not if you play Zerg lol
I disagree and am willing to provide examples.
Fully agree! 💯
I remember when you would mostly upload this type of videos few years ago
I've been dominating zerg with this build for the last 6 months. I'm guessing now this won't work in about a week.
Thanks for exposing this beautiful cheese harstem. (Read that sarcastically)
10 years ago in HoTS a bunch of Protoss got GM with a 2gate proxy build. Now Harstems teaching the young Xbox guys some real potent cheddar. Cheesiest man alive, but also the strong player/streamer out there at explaining the how and why everything works.
Holy shit, this actually works. The highest rank I have ever reached was Diamond 3, I saw this build and went directly into ranked without having played the game for over 5 years and instantly beat a Master zerg in 3 minutes! This build is insane haha!
Can't wait for the IODYS episode of someone wanting their MMR back for losing with this build
I've been watching your videos consistently for 3-4 years now. This is the BEST ONE.
Anyone else feel like the road to rank 1 would have been over by now if Harstem cared as much about scouting as he does about splitting probes on mineral patches?
I love how we’ve come full circle from the wings of liberty 4 gate ~7 minute stalker timing to 4 gates with zealots even earlier.
thanks harstem, I always enjoy your build order guides, I'd probably use it when I get someone many times in a row
I am a huge fan of your 'new patch PvT phoenix build' video with it's three bins and reactions to enemy builds. It made me a better PvT player by hundreds of MMR. Now my PvZ is lacking, I do some oracle blink builds I've seen you do, but I feel that PvZ is reactive matchup like PvT, and I would really appreciate a macro PvZ build guide with bins for different responses.
20:00 he could have held the nat, he just needed the spines behind the mineral line and some above the high ground
It’s ambitious, but maybe even a cheeky evo full wall since Harstem left his nat
The Bob Ross of StarCraft.
I have figured out this build myself in 2020. After months of struggles to get to the platinum as a zerg. I just sat and facerolled Protos. Immediately into high platinum. I probably was frustrated more than people I won,
Zerg: Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck ? :)
Where can I sign up for this type of BO to GM participation😍
he just asks in his discord
i'm curious, if 2 gates forge is better or worse?
this early in the game, you would have no time for upgrades. this attack is successful because of the quantity of units so quickly
@@Gameoflegendstv dude, forge is for cannons in that case)
@@Hairintd that’s absurd, you don’t need cannons to defend in the early game. The upgrades are definitely the way to go
thank you HASTEM for this excellent video and build guide!
just tried this and it worked wow
just lost to this damn u harstem
Im pretty new to the game trying to learn.
So what would be the counterplay to this type of cheese? Scout better?
So your first overlord arrives on the crime scene, you don't see a low ground wall, it's already uncanny, you don't see a nexus and the moment the main base ramp is empty it is 100% proxy zealots. You cancel your natural queen as it is isolated and it won't be in time for the hold, stop mining gas, you need to plop down a couple of spines and wait for the bastards to come, if there is one or two zealots you can try to kill them right away with drones, if there is three you run around to the best of your ability, buy time for lings and spines to pop. If he kills spines, you rebuild. If he goes for the natural your best bet is to give it up and defend main with spines that must be finished by the time. Killing the flower formation is impossible in the short term so your lings must go threaten his probes. If he recalls, the cheese has been held. As you see holding is much more complicated than executing this cheese 😂. If he kills several drones, that may be enough to overwhelm you with zealots.
@@yanshi4807 was very invested on how you described the situation lol, great explanation, ty!
thanks harstem, now i have to also worry about proxy 4-gate alongside cannon rush.
Do you have builds for the other races like this?
how about just building 3 stargates? i felt like forth one wasnt really building and instead build one more pylon (so the stargates can theoretically work longer?
You cant afford 3 stargates production from 1 base.
@@debaff6693 i think he ment gateways but is just wrong lol
@@debaff6693 no offense but it's funny how you're responding seriously to someone you think is suggesting to make 3 stargates instead of proxying 4 gates.
@@Joffrerap I know, it's contain a bit of trolling too.
Meanwhile, theres dumb players like me that do terran and proxy siege tanks. You heard that right. I proxy tanks outside your base. Works all the time, some of the time.
What happens if they block the entrance? How should i adjust
Harstem thinks we forgot Lambo's guide after all these years 😑
can you tell more of your secrets of getting gm?? i just started playing sc2 love your content!!
Ive played 4gate with an xbox controller (mapped key inputs to the controller) and won before. This build is legit.
Flower formation.
The right way is the right way.
Can't help liking what you like.
:)
I am the brain-dead guy. Thanks for this build, Harstem. I want to win games without thinking much because I'm in it for the bragging. This is why in WC3 I just mass head hunters with a Far Seer every game because I don't have the intelligence to figure out anyhthing else. If my initial rush doesn't work, i just leave because my brain jams and I can't think of any follow-ups. I will try this as soon as my new mechanical keyboard arrives. As a Protoss, all I do is mass stalkers and try to finish opponent ASAP.
I am much too dumb for RTS games.☹
so stop playing builds like this . Becouse if you play that "trick build" you will get much higher mmr that you actually are and if you will try anything else you will play vs somebody much better and he will destroy you. Try play own you own and that way learn "feel" the game and understand it and not just brainless copy cat.
in lower leagues it will work against protoss if you split the zealots between their first pylon and mineral line
Pls make more Videos Like this one. Very nice done
I'm hearing 7 levels of irony and get the idea you're insulting me just by watching this build.
Can you do a 2 gate + forge and canon rush while going with 2 then 4 zealots in? You have the zealots to cover for your canons
"sometimes you win sometimes you lose" Harstem
'sometimes good, sometimes shit" Gattuso
Zerg: just drone scout and you beat this with a proxy hatch
0:16 LMAO me and my 2600 mmr 😶 But tbf I played like 10 games in the last 2 years
I don't even play the game but after having seen the video I know I could become a grandmaster immediately.
Hello zergs, for those of you who don't wanna deal with this garbage, here's lambo's guide to beating this easily:
ua-cam.com/video/DIksjrli-MU/v-deo.htmlsi=nEMZtYkxd1yLQo09
Nice rush build!
This is fun, but I still like the Stalker Rushes they don't hit as soon but have the ability to win against Terran.
If you're going to wait for 3 zealots chrono your third gateway, should make zealot#3 pop at the same time as the first two. You also will use Chrono 100% on this zealot so even if you lack 50 minerals once they all finish it's fine.
i would chrono the last two so they pop around the same time as the first two
The StarCraft music is nice
Oftentimes true beauty lies in simplicity
I look forward to countering this every day.
I thought this video was going to be about a build order was to get out of grandmaster league so it would be a showcase of a bad build order
So do the opponents know they are facing this the first time?
Lambo couple years ago made video how to beat this build
Ever since I've been using this build I'm winning every game against zerg. Don't know about grandmaster though because I'm losing 2/3 of my games.
Do you have any braindead builds for the other matchups?
The second overlord will scout the gateway
My god, this build works so well on the ladder. Even against terran if I transition to void rays xD
prozy 4 gate all in even works against terran sometimes
Cheeses are fun to watch, I miss watching weedamins
YEAH HE ACTUALLY DID THE BUILD
I feel like this video is a response to all those players telling you to play all in cheeses on wc3 instead of learning the game
tried this in unranked. this is so strong lol
Question is : why does it works this well on Zerg ?
Because :
- they don't drone scout ?
- they can't wall ?
- their units suck in few numbers ?
- they don't have a range units quickly available ? (Queen is not viable)
All of the above ?
I heard what I wanted to hear. "This is called ***deflower*** formation" - yeah, but only if you play it against someone for the first time, you only lose virginity once 😂
SO IT WAS YOUUUUUU!!!
Harstem: this will work until GM
Lambo in his video: 4-gate proxy should never work even unscouted
In Harstem's defense I've hit GM as Zerg & I've never once defended a 4 Gate while opening with a standard 16 Hatch, 18 Gas, 17 Pool. I think I'm 0~52 or something like that in this scenario. Even with Lambo's guide & knowing it's coming... I just can't.
@@richardgallimore5976 I never open standart hatch-gas-pool in zvp, only 15 hatch 15 pool to disallow nat block and for quick queens and 6 zerglings, if they don't start with adepts and proper wall, you can just win. 15-15 is good for 4-gate-zealot too
@@richardgallimore5976I opened safe macro 17 17 18 and microd, macrod, and multitasked surprisingly well for D2. He even chased my Queen and ling in circles while my 3 spines finished for 20 seconds. So he completely trolled and still won. I picked off lone reinforcements with lings. I didn’t target fire spines though. So idk. Meanwhile they can’t even mess up zealot warp ins. Frustrating.
I think Lambo sometimes overestimates the skill of players further down the ladder and thinks we can play better than we can actually play lol
second game the zerg fucked up bad by not killing the artosis pylon and then running the roaches into your base. It was actually close until that point. Btw Lambo already has a video on how to defend 4 gate proxy hahaha
zerg was dead already. you can have 5 drons and win XD he had to try kill his probes
All my secrets revealed, now zergs gonna learn to defend 🤣
That’s peak protoss
As some have mentioned, Lambo already did make a guide on how to defend this 3 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/DIksjrli-MU/v-deo.htmlsi=nS1Gtl3Epa98_juH
It's actually an excellent resource for how to play it from the protoss side since Lambo also highlights weaknesses of zerg by talking about when you are strong or not as zerg(3:1 ling to zealot ratio is roughly even, the number of necessary spines, paying attention to individually a-click drones when they hold position micro, not going for natural hatch unless you are waiting for more zealots, etc.)
The response that is hardest to play against as toss in my experience is fast 3 spine + some lings into as fast as possible roaches (cancel the low ground hatch). One base is great, when you break the pylon the toss is almost always dead unless you took massive eco damage like game 2. If people are often proxying the gates too close at a third base location, you can drone scout both locations cheaply or send the natural overlord over to one of the locations (if it's too late for cannons) -> fast spines and roach warren.
Two tricks I like as toss are: 1. checking with the probe and holding until 6 zealots (chrono first two gates) before going if I haven't seen spines or a roach warren, or way too many lings (i.e. they don't know yet). 2. faking a pylon, which often draws quite a ton of drones at ~4k mmr, and probably confuses people (neither cannon rush nor fake cannon rush into economy) so proxy 4 gate is often forgotten.
Last comment is that when people hold with lings and 1-2 spines on 1 base, people often think they're safe and at most they mass lings. Without more spines and especially roaches, the zerg is actually on a timer, not you, and you can often wait until ~12 zealots and break 3 split up spines + some lings + queens if you split zealots into two groups.
I forgot you can't cancel the natural before the overlord scout if it's 16 hatch...
Also one more trick against 12 pool, leading the lings to your gates with the probe to show your build + hope they start hitting the gates and fighting the zealots is usually the only way to win, and it happens a lot. Usually 12 pool theoretically lets them safely get up a few spines and roach warren and then you're cooked but instead it feels unnatural for them to play spine and roach on 12 pool so they usually flood lings and winrate is not bad in practice at ~4k mmr.
Some comments about Lambo's video, highlighting the fact that you should immediately start the spines upon not seeing the natural (you can cancel if you figure out somehow it's not a proxy 4 gate but this shouldn't happen almost ever).
I think it's easier to not play the drone defense while delaying for spines since it's not true that the rush is held as soon as your spines are up (maybe more reliable to play roach warren fast and keep drones out of reach until they pressure your second or third spine). I also think it's a mistake that Lambo doesn't encourage a roach warren ASAP (or at all) because these few spines and lings don't hold 12-15 zealots like game 1 against Mixu (in Lambo's video Skillous sends in his later zealots in small groups immediately which you don't always want to do).
the views on this will bang
As a zerg player, I’m gonna scout the map every time vs toss now screw that
What's the best response as low level Zerg after hatch first?
Don't play Hatch first as a low level Zerg. But you can still hold it with 16 Hatch -> 16 Pool but you need drone micro. Lambo has a video on how to hold it. Build 3 spines in your main that are very far apart from each other and far away from the ramp. One has to be IN the mineral line and if he goes for that you defend with your probes (and zerglings). If he goes for the other ones, just cancel them at the last second. When the queen spawns put her close to the spine but attacking zealots takes priority. DON'T mess up the spawning pool placement by building it too far out where it can be attacked by the zealots. Put it behind the mineral line (like always for protoss, Neuro has a video on spawning pool placement depending on matchup, coicidentally he's getting 4 gate proxied too), where it can be defended by the spine in the mineral line. Also pull all drones out of gas, makes it easier.
@@Karttibone Thanks. I am diamond league btw. but compared to Harstem this is still low. :D
@@Karttibone what if toss will just stop making zalot . kill 2 hatch and just playe macro ? you lose money for spine and 3 drons so he will be actually ahead in workers + he will get 2 base faster
So glad I clicked this now, right, it's go time. :)
i dont play starcraft, i just watch it like pro play. but this video made me download and start learning. simple quick cheesy builds make the game more approachable to learn. the game has been too intimidating till now.
Just remember that cheesy builds are a knowledge check. You're locking yourself in a playstyle that either win or fails spectacularly depending on whether or not your opponent knows about it . So it's nice to practice the macro for afterward if that fails (the custom games with AI are very good for that)
Isn't this the coco build XD
very much yes
The Coco that is dating Clem?
could he get a baneling nest?
no banes suck here, 7 drone trips to make 1 and he can just split vs them cos neither of u have speed or unit mass to surround
Harstem, that's not working vs Terran, if he does a full wall, as he normally does. You will never come in his base.
ye vs t u usually dont do this u would do like a 2gate forge variant to get workers repairing over the wall w zealots for high ground vision
The Coco Flower
so I have done the science to see if the claim was true and all I can say is that I feel un-clean.
3-0 vs Zerg in low diamond.
crazier stat, 3-0 vs Terran with very minimal change. an earlier gas plus 4th building of the flower is a cyber core. Feel like it shouldn't work but 3-0 seems like a decent argument in favor of low diamonds simply not knowing how to handle it.
going to get some more games in this weekend with it maybe? see if we can climb on an account using only this build.
THIS IS MY BUILD. I WANT THE CREDIT.
Man zealot DPS is just crazy. Harstem what have you unleashed on the ladder?
build like this is reason why toss dominate ladder but suck at turnamments they just play some "trick build" . Its make them stack in "local minimum"
Awesome i am Grandmaster now 100% accurate!
Hi am back to sc2 after 10 years can you guy confirm this is real trick or meme
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Lambo already did a guide on how to defend this build.
I can get to gm as protoss by buildings workers only, easy race
Thx harstem this is just too ez 😊
engagement
I'd be high test if you show off your skills against an unshackled Erin 😂