Jeep's Wagoneer S Is Going Off-Road.. Soon | Wagoneer S Trailhawk Concept
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- This is it! This is the Wagoneer EV, AKA: the Wagoneer S, and it's not quite what many of us had expected. Why? Because it's more of a Grand Cherokee EV in terms of its size, being ever so slightly smaller than the 2-row GC in almost every dimension. That also means it's way, smaller than a Wagoneer sans-S, and that's actually OK by me. On the other hand, if you were hoping for a Escalade IQ competitor, well, you're still waiting.
So what do you get for just under $72,000? Surprisingly quite a bit, considering that the Wagoneer S should qualify for the $7500 tax credit and $72K seems as high as the Wagoneer S will go. At least for now. That means that 72 karge actually buys you more stuff and better performance than you'll find in an Acura ZDX Type S, Lyriq Sport, or Polestar 3... For less. Clearly however there will be options like a Model Y or Blazer that will cost you less than this, but the Model Y is a bit smaller in some dimensions and it will lack some of the more "traditional" luxury touches offered in the Jeep.
Now to the dimensions: Vs the Grand Cherokee, the Wagoneer S is 1 inch shorter on a 3.7 inch shorter wheelbase, 3 inches narrower, with a roof line 6 inches closer to the ground. The lower roofline is mainly due to a passenger compartment that's less upright, but having 2 inches less ground clearance also factors into things. Legroom is similar to Grand Cherokee while headroom is around 2" lower both front and rear. Cargo room? 30.6 cubic feet plus 3 in the frunk put it about 4 cubes behind the Grand Cherokee, but almost exactly the same as a Model Y.
Power comes from a 100.5 kWh battery pack (400V nominal) under the body that will feed to standard dual 300 HP / 309 lb-ft motors. The total of 600 ponies and 617 lb-ft will get this 5,600 lb EV from 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, they say that's 1/10th faster than the last Hellcat powered Grand Cherokee. Yeehaw.
We don't have all the charging details yet, but it looks like it'll peak around 200kW on a DC fast charger and should average ~160 kW from 10-80% which is a solid, but not class leading showing. Charge times should be pretty similar to a Tesla Model X which has a similarly sized battery.
Curb weight is lower than I had expected, although still substantial. At 5,667 lbs, the Wagoneer S is about 300 lbs heavier than the Trackhawk from years past, but the low center of gravity will likely be an asset and expect a perfect 50/50 weight balance. On the other hand, don't expect the eco-focused 235 width tires to do as much on a track as the wide summer tires on that Hellkitty.
What do you think? Keep in mind that at $71,995 plus destination, the Wagoneer S is actually less than a base Polestar 3 or a comparably equipped ZDX, or Cadillac Lyriq and it's quicker to 60 than all three. It's also less than a 2-row Model X. On the other hand it's nearly 20K more than a Model Y....
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This needs a spare if they're gonna have "desert rated" printed on the thing. It's a neat design though.
Its honestly refreshing to see it riding on a regular steel coil spring setup. Its more robust, reliable, and easier to modify..... for the third owner who might actually go some places in one some day.
This looks like the replacement for Grand Cherokee.
Probably and additionally they can't seem to be using the same name anymore
@@etbadaboum That makes even more sense now.
Cherokee tribe files a lawsuit against Jeep for the name and that probably explains it (didn't follow though)
No one besides TFL OffRoad will be off roading this thing
No one does anything. Everyone knows. It's fine.
beat me to it, no one is taking these vehicles offroad 🤣
“It’s concept”. I won’t hold my breath.
Alex, This has to be the Trailhawkiest BEV we have ever seen . 😛
Yeah, too bad it doesn't have a drivetrain like the Ramcharger.
Looks more like the replacement to the Jeep Cherokee to me. Not really understanding why they’re calling it the Wagoner S.
lol sure 80,000 $ off-road model, our middle class will be lining up to buy this.
Will be very interesting to compare this against the refreshed Rivian R1S, or even the R2
If they make a trail rated version it needs to have more ground clearance. 9.5 inches doesn't cut it. Need at least 11 inches on this beast.
When you have a multi-ton vehicle, is it really benefiting anything to have cutouts on your recovery hooks? 😳
I'd rather have those extra strong. Plus you were going to get mud and all kinds of dirt in the cutouts as soon as you go off road.
They need to do something. Clearly if we are going to buy a $100k suv, we'll want to go muddin'.
Its not 100k, more like 65k
Until the dealerships decide to up the price an extra 50k plus!
@@GoFast58 Jeep grand cherokee (not even the plug in variant) tops out at $75k, what makes u think this will "only" be $65k
@@Carfan678 because it will probably be 2k more than the launch edition and then if we factor in the 7500$ tax credit it becomes around 65k
@@GoFast58 May start at $65k but fully optioned i can see this being $90k
I guess now we just wait to see what Scout will bring to the table and wjat offroad EV Ford is planning
The front end is slacking. They should work on the grill for the production model. I honestly rather them make a Grand cherokee rubicon package but actually make it more capable than the regular trailhawk. Kinda like that 2013 Trailhawk II concept they never made.
Lack of air suspension is surprising.. Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has had it for multiple generations - so the expertise exists within Jeep. And air suspension does a good job managing the weight of a BEV.
Why CCS?
Because Tesla has gutted their supercharger team and is being really slow to respond to other manufacturers trying to sign on.
@@ALMX5DPi don’t think they’ll be accepting everyone anyway.
@@G-Rated pretty much everyone has an agreement/contract with Tesla now, so not sure how they would be able to back out.
@@ALMX5DP yea you’re right it’s pretty much everyone making the switch to NACS
@@G-Rated yup and since then Tesla has been dragging their feet so OEMs are delaying actual implementation.
This one is more interesting to me ! Like the other but this one nice
Best use this thing only in your backyard or have a tow truck follow you EVERYWHERE
Hot take - A vehicle without a spare is not an offroad vehicle.
Body on frame or unibody?
Almost 2400 lbs more than a Model Y??? Doesn't sound good. Probably loaded down with batteries.
They are so lost. If Jeep can’t get away from the American off-roader brand, what makes them think it will become a top tier luxury brand? Stellantis is absolutely confused.
Ummm, my Outback Wilderness has the same ground clearance...... :). It will probably be just a few dollars more than my Subie when it hits the market.... My OBW has a full size spare.... How about an Offroad EV we can afford?
I've got a forester wilderness myself. Took it to the upper peninsula of Michigan and it was surprisingly capable completely stock. It's been great so far
Desert rated because if you take it on a trait and hit the undercarriage on a rock you risk damaging the battery, voiding the warranty, or burning the car and the entire forest to the ground.
If they don’t add torque or hp not really worth the name of trackhawk . Idc if ev but they will need boost the performance and just not appearance package with tow hooks. There is more than one engine option for this S so I’m guessing you can hybrid version in the future
Jeep time to put some lipstick on a pig?
Ill buy once i see 800 to 1000+ miles for ev
They can do it but it's silly. You'd be hauling around a couple thousand pounds of batteries.
Unless of course you're waiting for the Mr Fusion nuclear battery
More like Ramcharger, yes.
1000 miles??? Be for real bro.
@@sociopathmercenarypeople like this aren’t actually serious about buying an EV, they’re just talking. If some manufacturer revealed a 1,000 mile range EV tomorrow they’d still be in the comments rebelling against. There will always be a reason not to buy an EV for people like this.
Who asked for this?! Nobody!