@@JDJD-mw9rr facts I never od when I was taking fent knowing it was fent but one time I had these oxycodone pills that I thought were real but it was just pressed fent and I woke up in the hospital so fucked never doing opiates again
It's disheartening to witness the worsening fentanyl crisis since this podcast was released. The alarming rates of lives lost due to the influx of fentanyl through our borders is truly devastating. We are facing a tragedy with unimaginable consequences.
Not just the OD deaths. It’s ruining the lives of the people that survive it. I was out of the Northwest for a few years working 12 rotating shifts in the middle of nowhere. Coming back with a complete disconnect then using public transportation, trains, walking the streets… I can’t believe what I’m seeing
@@HomelessHomeowner617 The lack of an accurate count of daily fentanyl-related deaths in the US over the past six months is concerning. I firmly believe that if we had access to this information, we would be shocked by the immense scale of this tragic situation. It is crucial that we fully understand and address the devastating impact of fentanyl in our society.
this happens because the recreational use of drugs is illegal. the cartels have no quality control or regulations to prevent fentanyl contamination of drugs consumed
Tylenol 3 has codeine in it. That’s an opioid tramadol not so much. I get what you’re saying in comparison but it is an opioid. My buddy would steal from the hospital he worked at and shoot up Carfentanyl. Now he was on some other shit. He’s alive and sober now. 6 years
Im a cancer patient and they used fentanyl (250 micrograms) when they inserted my portacath in my chest for my chemo treatments. I was awake the whole time. It felt AMAZING. lol
I also went through that. It was horrible. Having surgerons talk to you while there removing something from your chest is nerve racking that most people wouldn't understand
Also I think it’s funny that he mentioned DARE because that whole “ALL DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS” message created a lot of younger future addicts. How you ask? Well if you’re told everything is dangerous and then you smoke weed and you’re fine? Then you might try cocaine. And when you do that and you’re a little worn out but otherwise okay? Then maybe you try heroin. And when you try heroin and you’re not chasing the dragon the next day then you say “well all I have to do is not do this everyday”. If DARE told the truth they’d have said “they’re dangerous because they don’t seem or feel dangerous at all... until it’s too late”.
If your dumb enough to have that mind set I think you deserve the addictions you have, do research before you do drugs, don't do drugs that you wont wake up from after a good night, don't blame other people for your problems
TheDirtymikenation yeah all those children under the age of 18 in the 80s, with no access to the Internet, should have done a bunch of research before they tried drugs. It’s a good thing that research, in the 1980s and early 90s, was accurate at well. You know the research that said weed is evil and OxyContin is a safe an non addictive drug.
I'll say this - I'd been a heroin addict for more than 20 years, and I maybe came close to having an overdose Maybe twice, when I used an insane amount, right? Once Fentanyl was on the scene, I O.D.'d more than 70 times within two years. And I mean unconscious, lost control of my bowels, needed Narcan kind of O.D. Also, I never had an issue with abscesses with real heroin - after Fent, I've had to have major surgery in both my arms, and have a ridiculous amount of scars now due to infection and abscesses. Thankfully, two years of that (after a lifetime of drug use) was enough to finally make me quit. I've been clean about 4 years now, thank God... Also, my daughter in law, who Only smokes weed, smoked some and went pretty nuts. She had to be hospitalized in the mental ward for a few days. They obviously tested her, and she tested positive for Fent. So, yeah, it's in Everything now...
@@krufty47 Yeah... I mean, I can understand if someone says it's not their DOC like they prefer cocaine better or something, but the reality of the fact is saying you don't like opiates is almost tantamount to saying "I don't like being happy". Opiates ingested essentially release a tidal wave of endorphins which of course is the naturally occurring chemical in your body that makes you happy. What it does is it just releases a tidal wave of artificial happiness, and if you continue using it your brain actually to a certain extent forgets how to make it by itself. It's never too late for it to be repaired, but it does become harder and harder with prolonged use, that's why I feel like opiate addiction is so comprehensive. It literally covers the physical as well as the emotional, making it excruciatingly difficult to quit.
@@voteZDLR yea those spontaneous painful orgasms while in withdrawals are pretty horrible... It is definitely NOT COOL when you busted your third nut in a hour just because a strong breeze blew past your genitals for 5 seconds while dope sick! Most people dont know about that shitty little side effect that makes it impossible to lay on your stomach as a dude while going thru withdrawals! Plus the hypersensitivity in your skin and nerves, the buckets of sweat pouring out of you for no reason for days, your sense of smell being stronger than a dog's and everything smelling aweful, especially your own sickly body, and muscle and bone aches that feel like the day after leg day after your first time back to the gym in years, multiplied by 100, across your whole body, and you have no appetite, horrible insomnia despite being super tired so that youre lucky if you sleep an hour or two in an entire week, and your nerves having burning pulses shooting thru them down into your toes every 2 seconds that gives you thr worst restless leg syndrome imaginable, and if that wasnt bad enough, your perception of time slows down to a crawl, 100× worse than staring at the clock waiting for the bell to ring in a boring class because your adrenal glands are going haywire in the absence of the opioids to suppress them. And considering that a lot of people go thru all of that in a jail cell, it's pretty much the worst thing ever short of some medieval tortures and being burned alive at the stake while watching the people burning you run a train on your wife and daughters in the public square. So anyone thinking about using, go hang out with some poor bastards in the middle of withdrawal symptoms trying to get clean, and I'm sure the sickly smell of their buckets of sweat alone will deter you even if their cries for some kind of relief dont!
@@voteZDLR and I didn't even get into what happens if you dont have the funds to buy every package on the shelf of Imodium at the local pharmacies! Let's just say I hope you have plenty of toilet paper stocked up. And by you, I dont mean you literally, just you as in any of the poor bastards that had opioid dependence sneak up on them because of life and arrogance and ignorance and ego getting in the way! Basically the old, "itll never happen to me, I am not so foolish as to get addicted" until it happens because it only takes 3 to 5 days of continuous use to become dependent even for first time users and a string of events occured that had them popping pills one too many days in a row for the benefits of zen like calm and focus and pain tolerance that they provide before you become dependent and then suffer the opposite of all those benefits multiplied by 100 while trying to get clean and then have time slowed down to a crawl because your perception of time is altered probably due to your adrenal glands going haywire without the opiods to suppress them which makes it all that much more drawn out, longer feeling and so much worse of an experience!
saw a dude get his legs blown off, he got a fentanyl lolipop and went from screaming for his life to straight chilling in less than a minute, shits insane.
“I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not, like alcohol or weed, a means of increased enjoyment of life. Junk is not a kick. It is a way of life.” - William S. Burroughs
“If all pleasure is relief from tension, junk affords relief from the whole life process, in disconnecting the hypothalamus, which is the center of psychic energy and libido.” Also a line from Burroughs. That one always stuck with me because people always tend to view addiction as either a physiological dependency, or as a symptom of personal spiritual/psychological crisis. When in reality the two are always inexorably linked from the get-go. "You don’t _decide_ to be an addict. One morning you wake up sick and you _are_ an addict."
They gave me fentanyl in the back of an ambulance. My shoulder had dislocated really badly. I was crying in pain, and with every bump or shake of the ambulance I’d scream in agony. I went from the worst pain imaginable to not only zero pain, but feeling pure bliss. I mean just FEELING nirvana. I can’t imagine doing that stuff recreationally, but I can see how it would be addicting.
They didn't give you fentanyl, they gave you morphine. Ambulances carry 20mg of morphine for situations like yours. Fentanyl is $hit compared to morphine...
Medical grade Fentanyl is a totally different analogue that what is found on the street, which now comes in almost 100’s of different analogues.. which is why they are finding Narcan for instance doesn’t always reverse unintended OD’s. Apples vs Bowling balls
Oh it’s very addictive. Lol I never have tried it but I’ve seen close relatives be completely destroyed by it. They tell me they were hooked almost immediately after one use. It’s so powerful that when you’re in pain, it does the job, but people who don’t have pain….. and take opioids …. Now that’s a recipe for addiction.
@@josephsierzengaIV your right they have made tons of different analogues when one gets outlawed they already have another one ready but potency always gets effected for instance regular fentanyl is around 100x the potency of morphine and 50x the potency of heroin but the analogue carfentanil is around 10,000x the potency of morphine and 5,000x the potency of heroin it's 10-20 times the potency of normal fentanyl it's really scary shit even a tiny piece of a fake pill could kill a non opioid tolerant person the fentanyl on the street is not the same as the fentanyl in hospitals
my son died a month ago from a fentanyl OD and didnt even know it. that shit is a curse. almost made it to 20 years old so sad ya think. its about time we fix this ya think??? cant tell the kids enough to be safe. kids,junkies,parties,the streets. addiction is the problem and addiction mostly starts from somewhere and thats where WE need to start fixing this.
Freeyourmind good for you. I’m kind of stuck. I have lots of knee pain. So instead of using pain killers they gave me suboxne because it’s not bad on your liver. So it blows. But I’m happy for you. Keep it up.
SKANDERBEG I currently kicking methadone, and it’s basically the same thing without getting high. Suboxone is different but another alternative to methadone, but yes people then get addicted to them but for different reasons. Originally, heroin was for the high but once you replace it with these alternatives you’re addicted because you don’t want to kick. In my experience anyway.
As someone who went through AA and NA early on in life recently. Very recently actually. Good job man. Keep it up. What I learned. Regardless of positive/negative health effects. Ups and downs. Drugs aren’t for everyone 🤷🏻♂️
Comrade Kong I don’t believe that’s true. You don’t have to keep increasing your dose with Subs. Unlike the other two. The tapering is still rough with Subs though.
I’m soooooOooOoOoo grateful for getting off junk before the proliferation of fentanyl getting in street smack as much as it is now. I knew about fent patches and scraping the jelly but I never fucked with those synthetic opiates. I was purely after pure heroin. Grateful going to be six years clean this March. One day at a time, and also really good pot or psychedelics in moderation when in the company of friends. My heart goes out to those who are still sick and struggling with the suffering of so many human beings out there today. It’s gotten so much worse even since I’ve been clean and got on suboxone maintenance, which I’m tapering off of entirely. I can live my life strive and thrive again, unfortunately you can count on more than two hands the amount of people I know or knew or had on my phone that are no longer alive, whether it was because of heroin or meth or crack or booze or eating or anything that is a life threatening monkey on your back. I love all those people and they were sick people trying to get well. All you need is love.
@John Dough heroin was patented by the Bayer company in 1895, it is acetyladed morphine, or morphine with an added acetyl group. It doesnt exist in nature it is man made. Morphine is natural but 'acetylated morphine' (heroin) is not. It was marketed as a non addictive substitute for morphine in the early 20th century, dont buy anything from bayer please
I currently live in a small town in Oregon. The number of people that have overdosed here is incredible - people act like it won't happen to them. My belief is if you f**k around with that shit... It is not a matter of IF It is a matter of WHEN you are going to die. My ex died. It took several injections of Narcan to bring him back. He couldn't care less......still hitting that shit daily. I believe it is more stressful for the friends and family of the addict.
I started a love of opiods a long time ago. Back in the mid 90's when heroin had made a little comeback in popular culture, I was just starting my 20's but I was able to quit for years. Until I got a serious enough injury in 03' that I was prescribed oxycontin, and like so many others it progressed from there. From 06'- up until 09' I was on fentanyl, eating 1.5 to 2 of the 100 patches per day! It was a serious addiction.. The withdrawals lasted weeks when I had tried to quit myself. Life had gotten past unmanageable, I had to go on a methadone program. It took me a year of increasing my dose until my dose was at a level that took care of my cravings. Now with determination I haven't slipped in almost 10 years. The reason I share this is to answer Joe's question about performance enhancing. I can answer with some certainty that as long as a person stays active, and they're on a dose they gradually worked up to, it does seem to give a boost of energy by reducing all pain, but the dose has to continuously go up as a tolerance builds. The nod usually only happens to people who use then sit down to relax, yes they will nodd off, and probably overdose. I don't recommend anyone test this, just take my word for it!
Thankfully you're still with us to share your story. I know it's hard for people to understand but the story about the pool hustler made complete sense to me. Not that anyone should go out and test the theory but it absolutely can be a performance enhancer as crazy at it sounds and looks from the outside looking in
The horse thing makes perfect sense to me as a recovering addict, most people think of someone drooling on themselves high on heroin, but I felt like I could run through a wall on heroin, it was my superpower, I'd go play basketball and never get tired have limitless energy, I'd clean my whole house, play with my kids, and then at the end of the day yeah I'd nod out watching a movie or something. It made me feel how I wish I felt everyday, unfortunately when I couldn't get it it was a worse hell than can be imagined. I know other people that felt the same way, and in the really good Ben Stiller movie Permanent Midnight he shoots heroin and then worked out and ran for miles and miles, so it's pretty common.
@Fawk Yuu I'm asking solely because im wondering, is that because of ADHD, I havnt been medically dianosed, but opiates can sometimes make me reach a flo state more easily, and uppers chill me out
This should be the top or pinned comment. It is a misconception that all opiate users are drooling zombies. Opiates give an addict stamina, confidence and energy. You can do anything after a dose, you are superman. This is why Alexander the Great would give his troops opium during long marches. It gave his troops the needed perseverance to travel long distances with little respite.
Bro same. I've been sober for almost 4 years, but that's how it was when I was on it. People that have never done it just think you sit around not doing anything.
6:58 the quote we always said was that it's like getting hugged by an angel. Just the warmest happiest feeling you ever had. Then you get hooked and like Joe said, the worst pain you ever felt.
the best and worst thing I've ever experienced. ..all at the same time, what a weird fun terrible time. Willpower is the only way I stopped ...overcoming is the hardest thing in this existence, and to overcome makes you elite in my eyes .
I had a heart attack a couple of years ago and was given morphine in the hospital ER. Morphine is only a fraction of the strength of heroin, but the second it hit my bloodstream, I instantly forgot about the heart attack. All I could think of was, "When are they going to give me another shot of this stuff?". Lenny Bruce was right, it is like being "hugged by God". Thank goodness they only gave me the one shot. I totally understand why people get hooked on heroin and fentanyl.
@@jshaw3143 opioids feel *very* distinct. intravenous morphine is a fast, warm rush of all-consuming good feelings. you can't NOT smile, you can't NOT let your eyes drift closed. it's like your bare nervous system crawled into a bed that was freshly laundered with sheets that stay warm out of the dryer for hours. what the guy DIDN'T mention is the fact that generally it also makes you nauseated, foggy-headed, makes your limbs uselessly heavy, and as you start to sober up you reach an emotional state lower than baseline. a few hours of chemically-induced euphoria and suddenly being normal feels *wrong.* you feel cold but you're hyper-aware of every drop of sweat, your muscles take more effort to move than if you'd just done a full workout with no breaks, your gut seizes up and you're starving hungry but your stomach refuses to let you want to eat. opioids are the best drug ever while you have them. but holy *shit,* even compared to the genuine medical emergency that benzo dependency poses, opioid withdrawal is literally beneath hell.
I've had kidney stones twice. Both times they gave me a drug that works about ten times the effect. Morphine won't even touch that particular pain. Even with the really good stuff, I could still feel the pain. It helped tons but did not delete it. Some pain is so intense that unless your knocked out, your gunna feel it
Same experience during labor. Holy fn shit. To me, it felt like being wrapped in the best warmest blanket. Experiencing this after 12h+ of back labor, makes it feel even more amazing.
@user-bd5md5cm2j Yeah, I started contractions the day before already and was admitted at night. After 12h, I was so exhausted that my eyes were closing involuntarily. They offered me morphine so I could sleep a couple of hours to get some energy. My child wasn't born for 20 more hours but it does stall labor and can impact the baby if given too close to delivery.
He didn’t mention the biggest medical application for fentanyl: it’s a synthetic alternative for people allergic to traditional opioids (morphine, hydrocodone, codeine, oxycodone)
all of them are drug craps for real though, avoid those things
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They have their place. There is a reason why they were designed in the first place. For extreme pain. People need these drugs that are terminally ill or in severe pain. Ever see a person in severe acute pain? It's no joke.
Jesse W Thank you for understanding and making this point Jesse. I work in Palliative Care and Fentanyl is essential to the care of my patients with renal failure because they can’t metabolise other Opioids.
@@chinboy66 It's disgraceful how a drug gets media attention and uninformed people assume there is a moral scope to the drug without considering the medical application. It's frankly pathetic.
@ even having kidney stones you are in unbelievable pain as soon as they give you morphine shot that pain just disappears can't imagine not having it unreal what it does when your in severe pain
Yea he is right !! Everything is made in a really dirty way these days, not like the old days when everything was clean , pure !! Do you really think heroin is made from the natural poppy plant nowadays? Heroin is derived from opium (poppy) which is a plant , but today the chemists around the world are making a really cheap dirty heroin from cheap chemicals . And then the dealers want to turn lets say a 1 kilos into 2 or 3 using shitty stuff too . So yea nothing is natural these days , nothing is clean
Tom Petty was a heavy heroin user and got clean a long time ago. He most likely relapsed and got some fent, which he probably didn’t even know existed. That’s why I’m not even tempted to relapse. It’s been almost 6 years and I’m totally not going to risk going out like that for a single high.
Justin Chaney Yeah bro. That’s how most overdose deaths happen. People get clean times of 3 months plus , their tolerance is essentially gone , and they’ll take their 5 years in sick run dose and it kills them. Even a small dose. I hear you bro. I’m 2 years and 10 months clean from heroin. I don’t wanna die. I thought I did. But once I was close to deaths doors and I realized how utterly crushed and traumatized my family would’ve been, I chose life. Hope you’re doing good man.
I have been off hard drugs for about 8 years now. I don't know those kind of people anymore and certainly wouldn't trust any random clown to score me a *dubious* powder I'm willing to inject.
clancy mclean Lol ..horrible combination . One breaths a glimpse at eternal bliss helps your souls grow and heal .. the other numbs human existence while taking your physical body thru hell with glimpses @ death and disparity
People have died due to high volumes of fentanyl thinking there just about to go on a trip that's how bad this drug is now drug dealers are mixing it in everything
Fentanyl works fantastic for my chronic back pain. (3 fusions & a total of 5 blown discs). I've been on 25 mcg for 3 years and about 1/3 of my pain is gone. My tolerance hasn't increased and it's very steady (no ups & downs). It's improved my life.
I work in a hospital. Fentanyl is very common. We keep the patches on 3rd floor for hospice patients, IVs in Critical Care, and Fentanyl epidurals in Labor & Delivery.
samoanboxersav1 It is no joke. So sad that a 68 year old friend that has intense chronic pain and can’t hardly move because of restrictions to access to pain medication.
Sorry to hear about your friend... I'm the type of person who was willing to try anything in my early 20s, now I don't mess with random pills or powders knowing that they may kill me. It's not worth it, folks.
I think he got it back with what a perfect opiate for surgical applications would be. Long-lasting is actually not desirable. It makes it more dangerous and takes control away from the anesthesiologist. Fentanyl has a really short half-life and depending on route, but after a dose typically the effects ware off in 45 minutes. IN surgical applications they would give it on a drip slowly Unless the creator specifically wanted a long-lasting drug, either way, he didn't succeed there.
My friend almost died at a rave a few years back. We thought it was from bad ecstasy as well. Scary shit. He has to wear leg crutches to this day. When he was in the hospital he was breathing on a breathing machine and literally knocked out when I visited him. But when I talked to him when he got out the hospital he told me "yeah I saw you visit me". He was completely knocked out and on life support when I visited. Scary shit. He became a bitcoin millionaire lol....
LOL, he is like a tomato here. And he always knows someone who has been involved in whatever subject his shows topic is. He is a great host and i can binge watch his podcasts. Joe"I knew a guy " Rogan.
He asked him if he's tried opiates, and he gave an honest answer. Taking drugs isn't a dumb ass competiton about who's taken the strongest ones. Take your head out of your ass. Tramadol can still get someone with a low tolerance pretty high if you take enough.
I disagree with Tramadols status. That shit still baffles me.. I've never run into anyone (having worked both in and around the medical community) who has EVER become addicted to Tramadol. The addictive potential of Tramadol equates to that of enjoying the taste of a Flintstones vitamin.
In hospital recently I had need to be given Buprenorphine. Pain gone and the feeling of universal bliss was great, but scary as well I then realised why it’s so strictly controlled.
I started watching you on fear factor when i was young i was born in the late 90s. My uncle was a huge fan of yours joe as my brother and I are. My uncle passed july 30th of this year because of it. Thanks for getting the word out their. I feel like real opiates and benzos need to be legal just regulated so people arent getting pressed pills with it in it. All the herion users say its in all of it to. Im sorry to every person or family having to deal with this my heart goes out to anyone dealing with this and the familes its affected.
Didn’t you hear the drug war ended and everyone lost meanwhile billion dollar corporations push so called legal drugs which are killing and addicting millions.
Hey Joe, for a lot of people, especially people with a drinking affinity (and it may have something to do with a gene or set of genes that have to do with how people process depressants in their brain/body) low-mid level doses of opiates, basically as long as you aren’t laid out by it, it actually can act as a bit of a stimulant as well. You will become very chatty and excited about the world. I got a prescription for way too much hydrocodone when I had a dental procedure and my cousin and I would use it to go on hikes and just enjoy nature in the snow for hours during the winter, not fearing the cold, chain smoking, though admittedly kind of dreamy. It definitely gives addicts a bit of a jolt if they don’t take a dose that has them nodding. Also I doubt any of those people like prince and Mac Miller didn’t know they were taking cut pills. They enjoyed the stronger experience. Fentanyl also has like a 90% bio ability intranasally, which is easier and more discreet than IV and obviously a really slippery slope.
I have a lot of experience with opioids, morphine, fentanyl and heroin. The thing with these drugs is that they are downers but they also have some stimulant effects. Makes you talk more, gives you a sense of physical freedom or weightlessness. I was able to do muai thai and perform quite well with a badly damaged back. I would get into the zone and have much more endurance. She's a sneaky mistress this one.
Afghan! You nailed it with that one. You should do some more digging into the connection between Afghanistan and the pharmaceutical industry..... - Afghan Vet
After Prostatectomy surgery in Australia you get fentanyl for exactly 24 hours after surgery in controlled dose every 10 minutes then they take it away works really well. Getsyou over the first day after surgery.
Usually opioids cause a "down" feeling with most people. It's the people who get an "up" feeling that usually become addicted. Not every time but mostly
they make you not care about anything that would otherwise stress / worry/ depress you. I could see how people get addicted. Numb to emotions someone who has stress anxiety depression could easily get addicted.
One problem is the difficulty for people with even severe chronic pain to receive any real help from doctors. They are scared of prescribing things that actually help people. So people turn to the black market and fent pills are very effective at dissipating peoples pain. People with pain will do whatever it takes after being turned away by legitimate doctors .
Imo despite that higher prescription rates caused addiction, restricting them and fear and lack of prescription is was caused the problem undoubtedly. Solving the opioid crisis is not being helped by cutting it out that's what caused the illegal market to sky rocket and desperate chronic pain and recreational users turned to the black market.
I overdosed on fentanyl in February and was brought back by paramedics with Narcan. I still haven’t got my head around what exactly happened and how the hell I got to that place.
got a double fentanyl shot once after experiencing acute lumbago and wasn't able to sit, walk, lay down or anything without having real bad pain episodes every 30 seconds or so. the first shot didn't work so they had to increase the dosage. didn't feel high at all but after getting a few more injections at the hospital after being picked up by an ambulance from home i could walk and move again after about 90 minutes or so, took the bus home and all that.
The only time I ever used Fentanyl was as a chronic pain patient. My MD said my insurer insisted I try it in "patch" form. When I first wore it, I was dizzy and lethargic on Day One; felt ok on Day Two, and got no pain relief on Day Three. Then I replaced the patch with another and went through the same shit. After two weeks of this, I called my MD, told him I wanted the Oxy pills back and to report my experience to the insurer. I've never become the "addict" on Oxy that the government claims will happen. I can tell you that my experience with Fentanyl convinced me that it is bad news, which is what I've been telling other pain patients since my experience. My opinion of "the opioid crisis" is that it depends on the user and the drug, and that it appears to be another one of the many "crises" that Big Brother sells us to keep itself in control of our lives.
WB Bils That is a very understandable perspective, but I want to expand more on what you said of how it depends on the individual user. I don’t think the opioid crisis is something blown out of proportion. I am an addict (I have some time sober) but had I never willingly experimented with opiates and fallen into the trap of recreational drug use, a prescription for OxyContin would have mixed terribly with my already addictive personality and sent me down a bad path. My point is that some people are prone to addiction while others are not, and throwing people chemicals that stimulate extreme neurological pleasure is a very dangerous gamble and can bring out the worst in an individual.
@@DSchea To test myself, I have. Diarrhea. Increased pain in every body part I broke or had surgically corrected. Some muscle spasming. No fun. Asked MD for Clonidine, which helped to get off the shit, but I invariably elected to go back on it because no better remedy existed except for the surgically-implanted spinal nerve stimulator that allowed me to permanently reduce most of the Oxycontin I was taking after three prior disc surgeries. All this being said, I never became a depraved addict with a constant increasing need for opiates because I treated the meds as serious business, and not as a form of pleasure seeking. I suspect the mental and physical self-discipline I learned as a Marine; as a twenty year PED-free strength athlete; and over seven years of college (BA and JD) is a main reason I have always treated pain meds as a necessary PART of my life, but NOT ALL of it, and never became addicted to them.
shckmember it was, with no exaggeration, the most cruel and unusual experience I ever had in my life. The first 5 days are enough to make you suicidal, and the insomnia lasted well over a month. It is literally torture.
When I was in labor with my first, I got an epidural. It was fentanyl, I remember feeling relaxed, I fell asleep after not being able to get any rest because of labor pain. Then I woke up from a dead sleep to vomit, had a child and couldn't feel my legs. So probably a 1/10 for me.
Morticia Wolf I mean, an epidural is a spinal block so why would you be able to feel your legs? That makes sense. Vomiting could be explained by anything to do with your labor, not uncommon.
I was given fentanyl in labour right before pushing because of back labour pain. It’s definitely not what they give you in an epidural as I’ve had one of those too
A lot of people have the misconception that opiates will make you sleepy. They do when you're overdosing, so in that regard, I suppose it's correct. But when taken more moderately, it dulls your pain and you feel great. Feeling great brings on more energy to do more things. But it will become a vicious cycle as your tolerance builds and you require more to feel the same.
Yes absolutely. When I used to take opiates and benzos, it was the only time I'd get anything done. I'd be cleaning the house, getting out and about and shopping, exercising etc. It will make you sleepy if you're at home on the couch taking as much as you like and watching TV.
I live in Tasmania which in one of the worlds biggest producers for the Pharmaceutical industry I live 25min away from the city and I drive and walk past poppy fields everyday.
@@Josh-rn1em If properly regulated it wouldn't be a problem what so ever, I'm prescribed to heavy narcotics (morphine sulphate) and I have my pills counted randomly and drug screenings/concentration tests... even if I wanted to abuse it I couldn't get away with it. Doctors went from over prescribing to not prescribing at all (one extreme to another) when they should have just started monitoring, keeping dosages low and doing bimonthly refills etc.
I been a on off junkie for the last ten years..it can definitely be a performance enhancer..it made me an incredibley hard worker..not to mention it's like pure confidence..it's when u slow down an sit down that u can start to nod..
Haha ya I from new Orleans east . on and off meth and heroin junkie. better part last 10 yrs also. always said when I stand still not work and stuff . get stuck in time and I nod like a mofooo. been clean for a lil besides some slips. been working get passed .
Bro, same for me, exactly. People think you cant work, fuck, etc. Wrong. When im high, i work hard as fuck all day, no break, no lunch and just kill it. Im not condoning it AT ALL but i feel ya. Im tryin to find a dr atm that will prescribe me some methadone or subs but with no insurance, they want 4/500 just to walk in and see a dr. God bless America.
@@OffspringGaming good for you, bro. Im struggling with tryin to get off heroin, as well. Its been a long 15 yrs. But im ready. Tryin to find a legit dr to prescribe me some methadone or subs. With no insurance its really hard. 4/500 just to walk in and see a dr. God bless America.
yoc land look around for free rehab. That’s what worked for me. Free subs when you participate in the meetings and first ambulatory!! If your city doesn’t have one look around surrounding cities. You can do it trust me if I can anyone can. Over 5 years sober with a lot of help from suboxone.
Joe: "I've never had any experience with heroin." Yes you have Joe. You've done morphine. Heroin is morphine with two acetyl groups that make it cross the blood brain barrier faster. Those acetyl groups are cleaved off in the process. When a person does heroin, they are getting high on morphine.
Remington597man This statement is not accurate in any meaningful sense. If the question is “have you experienced heroin?”, then anybody who’s been put on intravenous morphine has experienced exactly the same sensation. There are no significant distinctions between the two. None. What data did you derive your “it’s laughable” comment from? Your source is erroneous. You should throw that dataset directly into the garbage and burn it. Assuming, of course, that you didn’t simply come up with this idea in your own head and then decide to blurt it out like an expert or somebody with real insight. I’m sure you wouldn’t do that, though.
@@matthewnewton8812 Heroin is alot different than morphine. Unfortunately ive been struggling with heroin addiction on and off for 15 years and have done pretty much every opiate there is. Morphine is so much weaker and is totally different than dope. People who havent shot up dope often think those 2 are the same
I had fentanyl iv for major dental work. Stayed awake through the entire process, had no pain, and walked out feeling fine, but a bit woozy. I was required to lay low for 24 hours as the affect of the meds needed to leave my system. It’s too bad fentanyl is used to tap other meds and is banned in places, because there is truly a place for properly used opiate meds.
Hamilton Morris from Vice was on The Joe Rogan show saying that one of his good friends was one of the "mysterious chemist" that this guy is talking about
Idk shit about fentanyl other than that it's supposed to be stronger than morphine, heard they also sometimes use it over here in the Netherlands for kinda active euthanasia (only when you cannot be treated further).
Fentanyl sucks it’s strong but it doesn’t last very long. I am a recovering heroin addict and fentanyl is super dangerous. As soon as fentanyl was introduced overdoses have risen so much. You keep doing more because the high doesn’t last at all. I am glad I am out of that life for today because that’s all that I have. Lost slot of friends and family. It is a scary fkn thing having that and carfentanyl out here killing people. Opiates have given me the worst time and staying off of it is harder than you think
Way back in the 80s you had to actually abuse drugs to OD
Good point, now this stuff will kill you first time since you have no tolerance
@@JDJD-mw9rr because its not this stuff its some new mixed up shit
@Francisco Nieves what is conversion therapy?
@@JDJD-mw9rr facts I never od when I was taking fent knowing it was fent but one time I had these oxycodone pills that I thought were real but it was just pressed fent and I woke up in the hospital so fucked never doing opiates again
@@JDJD-mw9rr You on the internet bro, look it up.
The Rise of Fentanyl sounds like a Marvel movie.
Marvel sucks
😂😂😂 Joe's "water dog" story sounds like a commercial for heroin.
The origin story...
Too bad its a myth
More like the rise of some gay elf.
It's disheartening to witness the worsening fentanyl crisis since this podcast was released. The alarming rates of lives lost due to the influx of fentanyl through our borders is truly devastating. We are facing a tragedy with unimaginable consequences.
82k people in a year and its getting worse, I remember not to long ago over 10k ODs was considered insane, hundreds a day
Not just the OD deaths. It’s ruining the lives of the people that survive it. I was out of the Northwest for a few years working 12 rotating shifts in the middle of nowhere. Coming back with a complete disconnect then using public transportation, trains, walking the streets… I can’t believe what I’m seeing
@@HomelessHomeowner617 The lack of an accurate count of daily fentanyl-related deaths in the US over the past six months is concerning. I firmly believe that if we had access to this information, we would be shocked by the immense scale of this tragic situation. It is crucial that we fully understand and address the devastating impact of fentanyl in our society.
this happens because the recreational use of drugs is illegal. the cartels have no quality control or regulations to prevent fentanyl contamination of drugs consumed
Isn’t it weird how our president took 20m in bribes and china is our supplier
"I've had Tramadol and Tylenol 3" You sir, have never tried opioids.
lmao for real
No kidding. He'd shit a brick if he got really good stuff
Tylenol 3 has codeine in it. That’s an opioid tramadol not so much. I get what you’re saying in comparison but it is an opioid. My buddy would steal from the hospital he worked at and shoot up Carfentanyl. Now he was on some other shit. He’s alive and sober now. 6 years
Codine is an opiate ( plant derived) tramadol is an opioid meaning opiate like. Oid = like
Lol as a junkie this resonates
Im a cancer patient and they used fentanyl (250 micrograms) when they inserted my portacath in my chest for my chemo treatments. I was awake the whole time. It felt AMAZING. lol
I'm getting sick just reading that
Get well brother
Mr M luv u bro
Praying for you. Keep up the fight
I also went through that. It was horrible. Having surgerons talk to you while there removing something from your chest is nerve racking that most people wouldn't understand
Also I think it’s funny that he mentioned DARE because that whole “ALL DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS” message created a lot of younger future addicts. How you ask? Well if you’re told everything is dangerous and then you smoke weed and you’re fine? Then you might try cocaine. And when you do that and you’re a little worn out but otherwise okay? Then maybe you try heroin. And when you try heroin and you’re not chasing the dragon the next day then you say “well all I have to do is not do this everyday”. If DARE told the truth they’d have said “they’re dangerous because they don’t seem or feel dangerous at all... until it’s too late”.
Brenden Barnett if a person tries all those drugs its because their an idiot. Addict always looking for a way to be addicts.
If your dumb enough to have that mind set I think you deserve the addictions you have, do research before you do drugs, don't do drugs that you wont wake up from after a good night, don't blame other people for your problems
The fact that they named it DARE should speak wonders
The fact that they named it DARE should speak wonders
TheDirtymikenation yeah all those children under the age of 18 in the 80s, with no access to the Internet, should have done a bunch of research before they tried drugs. It’s a good thing that research, in the 1980s and early 90s, was accurate at well. You know the research that said weed is evil and OxyContin is a safe an non addictive drug.
Great education. Thank you Joe. I was an opioid addict. I am trying to help others...And you have helped.
How you been holding up 9 months later mane?
I had fentanyl when I got injured in the army, I thought I was sinking through the floor of a helicopter it was crazy
If they asked me to bet my life this guy wrote a book about hip hop I’d be dead lol
He who greets with fire don’t judge a book...
@@askmemum if the author is the book, then who is the author?
Hip hop didn't become the largest genre of music without white people listening as well
probably a crap book, because this fellow doesnt know what hes talking about regarding narcotics.
I don’t think anyone was asking you anything. Like my 2 cents
Joe “ maybe fentanyl has a different effect on horses “ rogan
SOLARPOLARSNOWPATROLLER I was about to comment this lol
@Wandy Wexler Weslon "kawala"
Joe Rogan picks up on the most insignificant parts of people stories
He really does focus on the wrong things sometimes and acts like an obvi pseudo intellectual lol
You aren't funny and you never will be
The Lenny Bruce quote is "I'll die young, but it's like kissing God."
I thought I said that!!!
I'll say this - I'd been a heroin addict for more than 20 years, and I maybe came close to having an overdose Maybe twice, when I used an insane amount, right? Once Fentanyl was on the scene, I O.D.'d more than 70 times within two years. And I mean unconscious, lost control of my bowels, needed Narcan kind of O.D. Also, I never had an issue with abscesses with real heroin - after Fent, I've had to have major surgery in both my arms, and have a ridiculous amount of scars now due to infection and abscesses. Thankfully, two years of that (after a lifetime of drug use) was enough to finally make me quit. I've been clean about 4 years now, thank God...
Also, my daughter in law, who Only smokes weed, smoked some and went pretty nuts. She had to be hospitalized in the mental ward for a few days. They obviously tested her, and she tested positive for Fent. So, yeah, it's in Everything now...
Guest: “I don’t really like opioids. You know what I mean?”
Joe: “No. not really.”
hmmm. China eh...... wha ta sur prised
As an opioid addict in recovery, I also dont know what he means lmao
@@krufty47 Yeah... I mean, I can understand if someone says it's not their DOC like they prefer cocaine better or something, but the reality of the fact is saying you don't like opiates is almost tantamount to saying "I don't like being happy". Opiates ingested essentially release a tidal wave of endorphins which of course is the naturally occurring chemical in your body that makes you happy. What it does is it just releases a tidal wave of artificial happiness, and if you continue using it your brain actually to a certain extent forgets how to make it by itself. It's never too late for it to be repaired, but it does become harder and harder with prolonged use, that's why I feel like opiate addiction is so comprehensive. It literally covers the physical as well as the emotional, making it excruciatingly difficult to quit.
@@voteZDLR yea those spontaneous painful orgasms while in withdrawals are pretty horrible...
It is definitely NOT COOL when you busted your third nut in a hour just because a strong breeze blew past your genitals for 5 seconds while dope sick!
Most people dont know about that shitty little side effect that makes it impossible to lay on your stomach as a dude while going thru withdrawals! Plus the hypersensitivity in your skin and nerves, the buckets of sweat pouring out of you for no reason for days, your sense of smell being stronger than a dog's and everything smelling aweful, especially your own sickly body, and muscle and bone aches that feel like the day after leg day after your first time back to the gym in years, multiplied by 100, across your whole body, and you have no appetite, horrible insomnia despite being super tired so that youre lucky if you sleep an hour or two in an entire week, and your nerves having burning pulses shooting thru them down into your toes every 2 seconds that gives you thr worst restless leg syndrome imaginable, and if that wasnt bad enough, your perception of time slows down to a crawl, 100× worse than staring at the clock waiting for the bell to ring in a boring class because your adrenal glands are going haywire in the absence of the opioids to suppress them. And considering that a lot of people go thru all of that in a jail cell, it's pretty much the worst thing ever short of some medieval tortures and being burned alive at the stake while watching the people burning you run a train on your wife and daughters in the public square.
So anyone thinking about using, go hang out with some poor bastards in the middle of withdrawal symptoms trying to get clean, and I'm sure the sickly smell of their buckets of sweat alone will deter you even if their cries for some kind of relief dont!
@@voteZDLR and I didn't even get into what happens if you dont have the funds to buy every package on the shelf of Imodium at the local pharmacies!
Let's just say I hope you have plenty of toilet paper stocked up.
And by you, I dont mean you literally, just you as in any of the poor bastards that had opioid dependence sneak up on them because of life and arrogance and ignorance and ego getting in the way! Basically the old, "itll never happen to me, I am not so foolish as to get addicted" until it happens because it only takes 3 to 5 days of continuous use to become dependent even for first time users and a string of events occured that had them popping pills one too many days in a row for the benefits of zen like calm and focus and pain tolerance that they provide before you become dependent and then suffer the opposite of all those benefits multiplied by 100 while trying to get clean and then have time slowed down to a crawl because your perception of time is altered probably due to your adrenal glands going haywire without the opiods to suppress them which makes it all that much more drawn out, longer feeling and so much worse of an experience!
“Mom, do you have any NyQuil from the 90s?!?!”
Mom : no but i do have a sack of ludes
Jersey LTD is fuck
You can still buy it here in NC
That was the late 80s
Mitchell Mouratov NyQuil?
saw a dude get his legs blown off, he got a fentanyl lolipop and went from screaming for his life to straight chilling in less than a minute, shits insane.
Gotdamnn bruh.. Wanna talk about it lol
Jesus Christ
Hey thanks Joe for bringing together some great guests. Sitting here on a Saturday night eating Pasta and watching JRE....life is good...
Life is Soooo good
*Next podcast*
Joe: So, did you know fentanyl is basically roids for horses?
Lmfao
this comment made me laugh for 5 minutes.
Steroids AND speed for horses
@@periodpriestess me too,lol
😂😂
Joe “have they ever tried mixing dmt and fentanyl?” Rogan
Robby you are a fucking idiot. Along with everyone else who does the JOE whatever ROGAN.
Shane Knerr it’s a joke why do you care so much?
Robby Benitez lmfao stop
xD
@Adam Lolno u mad bro
“I have learned the junk equation. Junk is not, like alcohol or weed, a means of increased enjoyment of life. Junk is not a kick. It is a way of life.”
- William S. Burroughs
“If all pleasure is relief from tension, junk affords relief from the whole life process, in disconnecting the hypothalamus, which is the center of psychic energy and libido.”
Also a line from Burroughs. That one always stuck with me because people always tend to view addiction as either a physiological dependency, or as a symptom of personal spiritual/psychological crisis. When in reality the two are always inexorably linked from the get-go. "You don’t _decide_ to be an addict. One morning you wake up sick and you _are_ an addict."
Perfectly Stated.
@@runi5413 it s not that simple!
Joe I’ve been listening to your channel and I enjoy your topics and your interview style
Joe “Jamie, what drugs have I done” Rogan
Just checked out Joes social media pages and your wrong that's not his middle name
🤣🤣
They gave me fentanyl in the back of an ambulance. My shoulder had dislocated really badly. I was crying in pain, and with every bump or shake of the ambulance I’d scream in agony. I went from the worst pain imaginable to not only zero pain, but feeling pure bliss. I mean just FEELING nirvana. I can’t imagine doing that stuff recreationally, but I can see how it would be addicting.
They didn't give you fentanyl, they gave you morphine. Ambulances carry 20mg of morphine for situations like yours. Fentanyl is $hit compared to morphine...
In scandinavia we use fentanyl in ambulances.
Medical grade Fentanyl is a totally different analogue that what is found on the street, which now comes in almost 100’s of different analogues.. which is why they are finding Narcan for instance doesn’t always reverse unintended OD’s. Apples vs Bowling balls
Oh it’s very addictive. Lol I never have tried it but I’ve seen close relatives be completely destroyed by it. They tell me they were hooked almost immediately after one use. It’s so powerful that when you’re in pain, it does the job, but people who don’t have pain….. and take opioids …. Now that’s a recipe for addiction.
@@josephsierzengaIV your right they have made tons of different analogues when one gets outlawed they already have another one ready but potency always gets effected for instance regular fentanyl is around 100x the potency of morphine and 50x the potency of heroin but the analogue carfentanil is around 10,000x the potency of morphine and 5,000x the potency of heroin it's 10-20 times the potency of normal fentanyl it's really scary shit even a tiny piece of a fake pill could kill a non opioid tolerant person the fentanyl on the street is not the same as the fentanyl in hospitals
my son died a month ago from a fentanyl OD and didnt even know it. that shit is a curse. almost made it to 20 years old so sad ya think. its about time we fix this ya think??? cant tell the kids enough to be safe. kids,junkies,parties,the streets. addiction is the problem and addiction mostly starts from somewhere and thats where WE need to start fixing this.
Rev. Dr. James Hill very insightful post. I am sorry for your loss.
3 years ago my cousin overdosed on it. He was 21 at the time. I can't believe it's been 3 years already
So interesting i love having this guy on joes podcast has some awesome stories and knowledge
I had so much fun with opioids.
But what I remember most is coming off of them.
9 months clean, btw.
Freeyourmind good for you. I’m kind of stuck. I have lots of knee pain. So instead of using pain killers they gave me suboxne because it’s not bad on your liver. So it blows. But I’m happy for you. Keep it up.
SKANDERBEG I currently kicking methadone, and it’s basically the same thing without getting high. Suboxone is different but another alternative to methadone, but yes people then get addicted to them but for different reasons. Originally, heroin was for the high but once you replace it with these alternatives you’re addicted because you don’t want to kick. In my experience anyway.
Mike DiRado I agree with the subs not being hard on the liver. I was on them for 10 years. My liver tested fine a month ago.
As someone who went through AA and NA early on in life recently. Very recently actually. Good job man. Keep it up. What I learned. Regardless of positive/negative health effects. Ups and downs. Drugs aren’t for everyone 🤷🏻♂️
Comrade Kong
I don’t believe that’s true.
You don’t have to keep increasing your dose with Subs. Unlike the other two.
The tapering is still rough with Subs though.
I’m soooooOooOoOoo grateful for getting off junk before the proliferation of fentanyl getting in street smack as much as it is now. I knew about fent patches and scraping the jelly but I never fucked with those synthetic opiates. I was purely after pure heroin. Grateful going to be six years clean this March. One day at a time, and also really good pot or psychedelics in moderation when in the company of friends.
My heart goes out to those who are still sick and struggling with the suffering of so many human beings out there today. It’s gotten so much worse even since I’ve been clean and got on suboxone maintenance, which I’m tapering off of entirely. I can live my life strive and thrive again, unfortunately you can count on more than two hands the amount of people I know or knew or had on my phone that are no longer alive, whether it was because of heroin or meth or crack or booze or eating or anything that is a life threatening monkey on your back.
I love all those people and they were sick people trying to get well.
All you need is love.
@John Dough Do you still do it?
@John Dough keep going man
Keep it up bro I'm 1 year 7 months clean off speedballs
Heroin is a semisynyhetic its not natural at all, even tho it breaks down to morphine
@John Dough heroin was patented by the Bayer company in 1895, it is acetyladed morphine, or morphine with an added acetyl group.
It doesnt exist in nature it is man made.
Morphine is natural but 'acetylated morphine' (heroin) is not.
It was marketed as a non addictive substitute for morphine in the early 20th century, dont buy anything from bayer please
I currently live in a small town in Oregon. The number of people that have overdosed here is incredible - people act like it won't happen to them. My belief is if you f**k around with that shit...
It is not a matter of
IF
It is a matter of
WHEN
you are going to die.
My ex died. It took several injections of Narcan to bring him back. He couldn't care less......still hitting that shit daily.
I believe it is more stressful for the friends and family of the addict.
I started a love of opiods a long time ago. Back in the mid 90's when heroin had made a little comeback in popular culture, I was just starting my 20's but I was able to quit for years. Until I got a serious enough injury in 03' that I was prescribed oxycontin, and like so many others it progressed from there. From 06'- up until 09' I was on fentanyl, eating 1.5 to 2 of the 100 patches per day! It was a serious addiction.. The withdrawals lasted weeks when I had tried to quit myself. Life had gotten past unmanageable, I had to go on a methadone program. It took me a year of increasing my dose until my dose was at a level that took care of my cravings. Now with determination I haven't slipped in almost 10 years. The reason I share this is to answer Joe's question about performance enhancing. I can answer with some certainty that as long as a person stays active, and they're on a dose they gradually worked up to, it does seem to give a boost of energy by reducing all pain, but the dose has to continuously go up as a tolerance builds. The nod usually only happens to people who use then sit down to relax, yes they will nodd off, and probably overdose. I don't recommend anyone test this, just take my word for it!
Thankfully you're still with us to share your story. I know it's hard for people to understand but the story about the pool hustler made complete sense to me. Not that anyone should go out and test the theory but it absolutely can be a performance enhancer as crazy at it sounds and looks from the outside looking in
The horse thing makes perfect sense to me as a recovering addict, most people think of someone drooling on themselves high on heroin, but I felt like I could run through a wall on heroin, it was my superpower, I'd go play basketball and never get tired have limitless energy, I'd clean my whole house, play with my kids, and then at the end of the day yeah I'd nod out watching a movie or something. It made me feel how I wish I felt everyday, unfortunately when I couldn't get it it was a worse hell than can be imagined. I know other people that felt the same way, and in the really good Ben Stiller movie Permanent Midnight he shoots heroin and then worked out and ran for miles and miles, so it's pretty common.
@Fawk Yuu I'm asking solely because im wondering, is that because of ADHD, I havnt been medically dianosed, but opiates can sometimes make me reach a flo state more easily, and uppers chill me out
This should be the top or pinned comment. It is a misconception that all opiate users are drooling zombies. Opiates give an addict stamina, confidence and energy. You can do anything after a dose, you are superman. This is why Alexander the Great would give his troops opium during long marches. It gave his troops the needed perseverance to travel long distances with little respite.
@baselinebaz I was always more productive on heroin than when I did cocaine or speed, I'd get so hyped that it was hard to stay on task.
This is what diazepam does too,after the first dose in the morning the house gets the "mother's little helpers"treatment.
Bro same. I've been sober for almost 4 years, but that's how it was when I was on it. People that have never done it just think you sit around not doing anything.
Joe “I knew a guy that did heroin at the pool hall” Rogan
Congratulations
😂😂😂
MONROE. YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT, JUST LIKE THE REST WHO MAKE THE SAME FUCKING COMMENT BUT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE MIDDLE.
"I knew *a buddy of mine* who did heroin"
Shane Knerr Why you so mad bro go take
a fucking nap
6:58 the quote we always said was that it's like getting hugged by an angel. Just the warmest happiest feeling you ever had. Then you get hooked and like Joe said, the worst pain you ever felt.
the best and worst thing I've ever experienced. ..all at the same time, what a weird fun terrible time. Willpower is the only way I stopped ...overcoming is the hardest thing in this existence, and to overcome makes you elite in my eyes .
I had a heart attack a couple of years ago and was given morphine in the hospital ER. Morphine is only a fraction of the strength of heroin, but the second it hit my bloodstream, I instantly forgot about the heart attack. All I could think of was, "When are they going to give me another shot of this stuff?". Lenny Bruce was right, it is like being "hugged by God". Thank goodness they only gave me the one shot. I totally understand why people get hooked on heroin and fentanyl.
@@jshaw3143 opioids feel *very* distinct. intravenous morphine is a fast, warm rush of all-consuming good feelings. you can't NOT smile, you can't NOT let your eyes drift closed. it's like your bare nervous system crawled into a bed that was freshly laundered with sheets that stay warm out of the dryer for hours.
what the guy DIDN'T mention is the fact that generally it also makes you nauseated, foggy-headed, makes your limbs uselessly heavy, and as you start to sober up you reach an emotional state lower than baseline. a few hours of chemically-induced euphoria and suddenly being normal feels *wrong.* you feel cold but you're hyper-aware of every drop of sweat, your muscles take more effort to move than if you'd just done a full workout with no breaks, your gut seizes up and you're starving hungry but your stomach refuses to let you want to eat.
opioids are the best drug ever while you have them. but holy *shit,* even compared to the genuine medical emergency that benzo dependency poses, opioid withdrawal is literally beneath hell.
I've had kidney stones twice. Both times they gave me a drug that works about ten times the effect. Morphine won't even touch that particular pain. Even with the really good stuff, I could still feel the pain. It helped tons but did not delete it. Some pain is so intense that unless your knocked out, your gunna feel it
Same experience during labor. Holy fn shit. To me, it felt like being wrapped in the best warmest blanket. Experiencing this after 12h+ of back labor, makes it feel even more amazing.
@@Emmiliification you got morphine?
@user-bd5md5cm2j Yeah, I started contractions the day before already and was admitted at night. After 12h, I was so exhausted that my eyes were closing involuntarily. They offered me morphine so I could sleep a couple of hours to get some energy. My child wasn't born for 20 more hours but it does stall labor and can impact the baby if given too close to delivery.
He didn’t mention the biggest medical application for fentanyl: it’s a synthetic alternative for people allergic to traditional opioids (morphine, hydrocodone, codeine, oxycodone)
all of them are drug craps
for real though, avoid those things
They have their place. There is a reason why they were designed in the first place. For extreme pain. People need these drugs that are terminally ill or in severe pain. Ever see a person in severe acute pain? It's no joke.
Jesse W Thank you for understanding and making this point Jesse. I work in Palliative Care and Fentanyl is essential to the care of my patients with renal failure because they can’t metabolise other Opioids.
@@chinboy66 It's disgraceful how a drug gets media attention and uninformed people assume there is a moral scope to the drug without considering the medical application. It's frankly pathetic.
@ even having kidney stones you are in unbelievable pain as soon as they give you morphine shot that pain just disappears can't imagine not having it unreal what it does when your in severe pain
Joe“you can't even get natural grown heroin anymore these days" Rogen
Joe "have you ever smoked dmt because your heroin wasn't all natural" rogan
US , how much you need from the Afghani fields , army
@@Nelly-ck5cp that's the cia bud.
Yea he is right !! Everything is made in a really dirty way these days, not like the old days when everything was clean , pure !! Do you really think heroin is made from the natural poppy plant nowadays? Heroin is derived from opium (poppy) which is a plant , but today the chemists around the world are making a really cheap dirty heroin from cheap chemicals . And then the dealers want to turn lets say a 1 kilos into 2 or 3 using shitty stuff too . So yea nothing is natural these days , nothing is clean
@@michaelleverette2003 the CIA is not armed and defending the poppy fields and the army has bigger planes .
Very interesting interview
Tom Petty was a heavy heroin user and got clean a long time ago. He most likely relapsed and got some fent, which he probably didn’t even know existed.
That’s why I’m not even tempted to relapse. It’s been almost 6 years and I’m totally not going to risk going out like that for a single high.
Justin Chaney
Yeah bro. That’s how most overdose deaths happen. People get clean times of 3 months plus , their tolerance is essentially gone , and they’ll take their 5 years in sick run dose and it kills them.
Even a small dose. I hear you bro. I’m 2 years and 10 months clean from heroin. I don’t wanna die. I thought I did. But once I was close to deaths doors and I realized how utterly crushed and traumatized my family would’ve been, I chose life.
Hope you’re doing good man.
I have been off hard drugs for about 8 years now. I don't know those kind of people anymore and certainly wouldn't trust any random clown to score me a *dubious* powder I'm willing to inject.
cool man I am 12 years removed from a bad crack AND dope addiction.
After oxy and heroin, fentanyl doesn't even feel the same. Wouldn't be worth it even if it was safe.
@@richardking2422 yo ass better get right with God
The real question is have you ever tried fentanyl while on DMT?
clancy mclean Lol ..horrible combination . One breaths a glimpse at eternal bliss helps your souls grow and heal .. the other numbs human existence while taking your physical body thru hell with glimpses @ death and disparity
People have died due to high volumes of fentanyl thinking there just about to go on a trip that's how bad this drug is now drug dealers are mixing it in everything
I have done dmt while prescribed fentanyl.
Has fentanyl ever tried dmt
Only different if you have a low tolerance for opiates. Could be too much.
Fentanyl works fantastic for my chronic back pain. (3 fusions & a total of 5 blown discs). I've been on 25 mcg for 3 years and about 1/3 of my pain is gone. My tolerance hasn't increased and it's very steady (no ups & downs). It's improved my life.
Not to be annoying, but did you ever try swimming also? It works wonders for back pain, helped my husband a lot! Anyway, best wishes to you!
Im sure you keep an eye on it and have open conversations with your doctor. So good for you man.
I work in a hospital. Fentanyl is very common. We keep the patches on 3rd floor for hospice patients, IVs in Critical Care, and Fentanyl epidurals in Labor & Delivery.
A good friend of mine just passed from fentanyl at 22 years old it’s no joke don’t pop pills kids
samoanboxersav1 It is no joke. So sad that a 68 year old friend that has intense chronic pain and can’t hardly move because of restrictions to access to pain medication.
Sorry to hear about your friend... I'm the type of person who was willing to try anything in my early 20s, now I don't mess with random pills or powders knowing that they may kill me. It's not worth it, folks.
This guy’s voice is like the sedative effect of Fentanyl.
Hahaha so monotone
I sped up the video because his voice was too slow.
I think he got it back with what a perfect opiate for surgical applications would be. Long-lasting is actually not desirable. It makes it more dangerous and takes control away from the anesthesiologist. Fentanyl has a really short half-life and depending on route, but after a dose typically the effects ware off in 45 minutes. IN surgical applications they would give it on a drip slowly Unless the creator specifically wanted a long-lasting drug, either way, he didn't succeed there.
My friend almost died at a rave a few years back. We thought it was from bad ecstasy as well. Scary shit. He has to wear leg crutches to this day. When he was in the hospital he was breathing on a breathing machine and literally knocked out when I visited him. But when I talked to him when he got out the hospital he told me "yeah I saw you visit me". He was completely knocked out and on life support when I visited. Scary shit. He became a bitcoin millionaire lol....
My friend lol pull the other one.
Joe "My head looks like a tomato in this cream colored sweatshirt" Rogan
That's not his middle name
Feed the Fat Rabbit it really does!
LOL, he is like a tomato here. And he always knows someone who has been involved in whatever subject his shows topic is. He is a great host and i can binge watch his podcasts. Joe"I knew a guy " Rogan.
“ Have you taking any drugs”
“ Yeah, Tramadol and Tylenol 3”
Yes, he’s been there.
literally the shittiest drugs ever.
@@jonswartz8862 idk, cwe tylenol 3's are pretty bomb for a non tolerant opioid individiual
He asked him if he's tried opiates, and he gave an honest answer. Taking drugs isn't a dumb ass competiton about who's taken the strongest ones. Take your head out of your ass. Tramadol can still get someone with a low tolerance pretty high if you take enough.
I disagree with Tramadols status. That shit still baffles me.. I've never run into anyone (having worked both in and around the medical community) who has EVER become addicted to Tramadol. The addictive potential of Tramadol equates to that of enjoying the taste of a Flintstones vitamin.
It’s like when Bill Clinton smoked weed, but never inhaled
In hospital recently I had need to be given Buprenorphine.
Pain gone and the feeling of universal bliss was great, but scary as well
I then realised why it’s so strictly controlled.
I started watching you on fear factor when i was young i was born in the late 90s. My uncle was a huge fan of yours joe as my brother and I are. My uncle passed july 30th of this year because of it. Thanks for getting the word out their. I feel like real opiates and benzos need to be legal just regulated so people arent getting pressed pills with it in it. All the herion users say its in all of it to. Im sorry to every person or family having to deal with this my heart goes out to anyone dealing with this and the familes its affected.
Fentanyl is great and all, but have you heard of DMT.
Darren Dill what’s DMT?
The only way to keep the drug war going is to invent a new boogeyman every few years...
Make all drugs legal, it's a giant waste of time trying to stop drug use.
Legalise/Regulate all drugs indeed
Didn’t you hear the drug war ended and everyone lost meanwhile billion dollar corporations push so called legal drugs which are killing and addicting millions.
False. Opioids have been around for thousands of years. Opiates for me allows me touch god like Joe said. Its amazing and allows my true self to show
slappy happy You should work for big pharma, they would love you.
Hey Joe, for a lot of people, especially people with a drinking affinity (and it may have something to do with a gene or set of genes that have to do with how people process depressants in their brain/body) low-mid level doses of opiates, basically as long as you aren’t laid out by it, it actually can act as a bit of a stimulant as well. You will become very chatty and excited about the world. I got a prescription for way too much hydrocodone when I had a dental procedure and my cousin and I would use it to go on hikes and just enjoy nature in the snow for hours during the winter, not fearing the cold, chain smoking, though admittedly kind of dreamy. It definitely gives addicts a bit of a jolt if they don’t take a dose that has them nodding.
Also I doubt any of those people like prince and Mac Miller didn’t know they were taking cut pills. They enjoyed the stronger experience. Fentanyl also has like a 90% bio ability intranasally, which is easier and more discreet than IV and obviously a really slippery slope.
I have a lot of experience with opioids, morphine, fentanyl and heroin. The thing with these drugs is that they are downers but they also have some stimulant effects. Makes you talk more, gives you a sense of physical freedom or weightlessness. I was able to do muai thai and perform quite well with a badly damaged back. I would get into the zone and have much more endurance. She's a sneaky mistress this one.
Yea but then if you sit down and sit still you’re gonna nod out.
Joe 'I know people' Rogan looking like he came straight from the sauna.
Lenny Bruce quote: *I'll die young, but it's like kissing God.*
In Germany mescaline containing cacti are completely legal to cultivate. It only gets illegal once you cut and dry them.
I"m in so much pain everyday. Wish there was something I could take or do.
Stick to weed. Its only cut with a grinder
and hair spray lmao
@@Aryzo Not if you grow it yourself it isn't.
@@brianlee6367well I spray my weed with hair spray after I grew it cuz I like the taste
@Ibo Cuz aha
@Ibo Cuz *storey, *your.
For future reference, if you're trying to call someone stupid, take the time to learn how to spell.
watching this as I study for my pharmacy exams : ]
Good luuck
R P Good luck on them I hope you pass and Learn something new💯💯
Well any pharmaci
@@thawk6792 what?
@@retroxclusiv2325 aha thank you guys!!
Afghan! You nailed it with that one. You should do some more digging into the connection between Afghanistan and the pharmaceutical industry.....
- Afghan Vet
After Prostatectomy surgery in Australia you get fentanyl for exactly 24 hours after surgery in controlled dose every 10 minutes then they take it away works really well.
Getsyou over the first day after surgery.
Joe 'he looked at you like an insect would look at you' Rogan
Usually opioids cause a "down" feeling with most people. It's the people who get an "up" feeling that usually become addicted. Not every time but mostly
Dave Gordon I got the up feeling on every opioid I’ve ever taken and became addicted this is a true fact lol!
same here
@@trentonyers3072 me too, i got promoted at work twice hooked on opiates.....Brett Favre won MVP on Oxy.
Also as they said it makes life okay.
they make you not care about anything that would otherwise stress / worry/ depress you. I could see how people get addicted. Numb to emotions someone who has stress anxiety depression could easily get addicted.
One problem is the difficulty for people with even severe chronic pain to receive any real help from doctors. They are scared of prescribing things that actually help people. So people turn to the black market and fent pills are very effective at dissipating peoples pain. People with pain will do whatever it takes after being turned away by legitimate doctors .
It’s actually the opposite
@@tommyletourneau842 it is both
@@tommyletourneau842 what do you mean?
Or they get the painkillers that help them and get cut off and head to the “black market”
Imo despite that higher prescription rates caused addiction, restricting them and fear and lack of prescription is was caused the problem undoubtedly. Solving the opioid crisis is not being helped by cutting it out that's what caused the illegal market to sky rocket and desperate chronic pain and recreational users turned to the black market.
The movie about this should be called Nil or Null
One of my good friends recently passed from taking molly laced with fentinol:( it’s sickening what people do
Sam Armstrong sadly yes:( miss him very much
Joe “let’s chug some NyQuil” Rogan
VanillaThunder Joe “sober October” is over and I’m high as balls.
Dextroberfest was great this year...
lmao
Exactly. I know so many kids who got hooked on pills for that exact reason.
I don't believe Nyquil ever had codeine in it. Plenty of alcohol though.
I was on the patch for awhile for chronic pain. I was able to do a lot more than I had before or since. Yes without pain you can do more
"I'll die young, but it's like kissing god" - Lenny Bruce
It is a warm blanket
Like kissing God on the mouth .......
or you spin out of control puking left and right unable to hold anything down even water
I overdosed on fentanyl in February and was brought back by paramedics with Narcan. I still haven’t got my head around what exactly happened and how the hell I got to that place.
Have you been clean since?
On fentanyl or heroin laced with it?
Glad to hear your still here with us man
I know someone who casually does heroine. Yes casually lol. I wonder when they will end up in the newspaper obituary =/
Try again pussy you did it for a reason if you do it twice it wasn’t a mistake
That drug scientist story in the 80's would make a great Drunk History episode.
got a double fentanyl shot once after experiencing acute lumbago and wasn't able to sit, walk, lay down or anything without having real bad pain episodes every 30 seconds or so. the first shot didn't work so they had to increase the dosage. didn't feel high at all but after getting a few more injections at the hospital after being picked up by an ambulance from home i could walk and move again after about 90 minutes or so, took the bus home and all that.
The only time I ever used Fentanyl was as a chronic pain patient. My MD said my insurer insisted I try it in "patch" form. When I first wore it, I was dizzy and lethargic on Day One; felt ok on Day Two, and got no pain relief on Day Three. Then I replaced the patch with another and went through the same shit. After two weeks of this, I called my MD, told him I wanted the Oxy pills back and to report my experience to the insurer. I've never become the "addict" on Oxy that the government claims will happen. I can tell you that my experience with Fentanyl convinced me that it is bad news, which is what I've been telling other pain patients since my experience. My opinion of "the opioid crisis" is that it depends on the user and the drug, and that it appears to be another one of the many "crises" that Big Brother sells us to keep itself in control of our lives.
WB Bils That is a very understandable perspective, but I want to expand more on what you said of how it depends on the individual user. I don’t think the opioid crisis is something blown out of proportion. I am an addict (I have some time sober) but had I never willingly experimented with opiates and fallen into the trap of recreational drug use, a prescription for OxyContin would have mixed terribly with my already addictive personality and sent me down a bad path. My point is that some people are prone to addiction while others are not, and throwing people chemicals that stimulate extreme neurological pleasure is a very dangerous gamble and can bring out the worst in an individual.
Don't take your pills for a couple days and see how you feel...
@@DSchea To test myself, I have. Diarrhea. Increased pain in every body part I broke or had surgically corrected. Some muscle spasming. No fun. Asked MD for Clonidine, which helped to get off the shit, but I invariably elected to go back on it because no better remedy existed except for the surgically-implanted spinal nerve stimulator that allowed me to permanently reduce most of the Oxycontin I was taking after three prior disc surgeries. All this being said, I never became a depraved addict with a constant increasing need for opiates because I treated the meds as serious business, and not as a form of pleasure seeking. I suspect the mental and physical self-discipline I learned as a Marine; as a twenty year PED-free strength athlete; and over seven years of college (BA and JD) is a main reason I have always treated pain meds as a necessary PART of my life, but NOT ALL of it, and never became addicted to them.
Being fentanyl sick is one of the worst things in the world I wouldn’t wish it on one of my worst enemies
DJ Aerodynamics I’m 38 days off fentanyl cold turkey. I’m scarred from the withdrawal.
I would
Worst withdrawl I ever experienced hands down
David S what was it like? Congrats on the sobriety btw
shckmember it was, with no exaggeration, the most cruel and unusual experience I ever had in my life. The first 5 days are enough to make you suicidal, and the insomnia lasted well over a month.
It is literally torture.
When I was in labor with my first, I got an epidural. It was fentanyl, I remember feeling relaxed, I fell asleep after not being able to get any rest because of labor pain. Then I woke up from a dead sleep to vomit, had a child and couldn't feel my legs. So probably a 1/10 for me.
Morticia Wolf I mean, an epidural is a spinal block so why would you be able to feel your legs? That makes sense. Vomiting could be explained by anything to do with your labor, not uncommon.
An epidural is not fentanyl
I was given fentanyl in labour right before pushing because of back labour pain. It’s definitely not what they give you in an epidural as I’ve had one of those too
Joe's guest's are almost always very interesting
A lot of people have the misconception that opiates will make you sleepy. They do when you're overdosing, so in that regard, I suppose it's correct. But when taken more moderately, it dulls your pain and you feel great. Feeling great brings on more energy to do more things. But it will become a vicious cycle as your tolerance builds and you require more to feel the same.
Yes absolutely. When I used to take opiates and benzos, it was the only time I'd get anything done. I'd be cleaning the house, getting out and about and shopping, exercising etc. It will make you sleepy if you're at home on the couch taking as much as you like and watching TV.
I just smoke weed when I'm sick and it gets me past the sick feeling every time
I smoke weed when I'm sick and it gets me so paranoid I have to go get more opioid.
why can’t people just do this instead of shooting up heroin
Yea weed doesn't do shit to help opioid addiction. It's not even close to helping
Weed is not going to do shit for an addict going through withdrawal. Withdrawal is no joke.
I've never used heroin. But medication is bad too
9:35 actually most domestic poppy have little to no alkaloids you have to order the right seeds to grow actual papaver somniferum
myearshurt Noone this person knows their Poppys!
I live in Tasmania which in one of the worlds biggest producers for the Pharmaceutical industry I live 25min away from the city and I drive and walk past poppy fields everyday.
@@petervonstamer7859 nice, do you ever take pods for yourself and make tea?
@@myearshurtnoone1367
My friend does make tea and will help him drink it some times
@@petervonstamer7859
Ya want to make some money?
Moral of the story: legalize and regulate drugs
@brann yea, it is
The opioid crisis in America is from doctors being lax. Think what would happen if it were legal. Jeepers
@@Josh-rn1em If properly regulated it wouldn't be a problem what so ever, I'm prescribed to heavy narcotics (morphine sulphate) and I have my pills counted randomly and drug screenings/concentration tests... even if I wanted to abuse it I couldn't get away with it. Doctors went from over prescribing to not prescribing at all (one extreme to another) when they should have just started monitoring, keeping dosages low and doing bimonthly refills etc.
@brann No, its a time machine to go back and stop the opioid epidemic from happening, "Don't worry John Connor, I'm looking for the Sackler family"🔫😎🖑
@brann Say what? I'm not familiar?🤔
"yeah I guess so, I don't know all the details".
Knows all the details
I been a on off junkie for the last ten years..it can definitely be a performance enhancer..it made me an incredibley hard worker..not to mention it's like pure confidence..it's when u slow down an sit down that u can start to nod..
Haha ya I from new Orleans east . on and off meth and heroin junkie. better part last 10 yrs also. always said when I stand still not work and stuff . get stuck in time and I nod like a mofooo. been clean for a lil besides some slips. been working get passed .
What drugs were you taking?
Bro, same for me, exactly. People think you cant work, fuck, etc. Wrong. When im high, i work hard as fuck all day, no break, no lunch and just kill it. Im not condoning it AT ALL but i feel ya. Im tryin to find a dr atm that will prescribe me some methadone or subs but with no insurance, they want 4/500 just to walk in and see a dr. God bless America.
@@OffspringGaming good for you, bro. Im struggling with tryin to get off heroin, as well. Its been a long 15 yrs. But im ready. Tryin to find a legit dr to prescribe me some methadone or subs. With no insurance its really hard. 4/500 just to walk in and see a dr. God bless America.
yoc land look around for free rehab. That’s what worked for me. Free subs when you participate in the meetings and first ambulatory!! If your city doesn’t have one look around surrounding cities. You can do it trust me if I can anyone can. Over 5 years sober with a lot of help from suboxone.
Joe 'I had a button' Rogan.
Joe: "I've never had any experience with heroin."
Yes you have Joe. You've done morphine. Heroin is morphine with two acetyl groups that make it cross the blood brain barrier faster. Those acetyl groups are cleaved off in the process. When a person does heroin, they are getting high on morphine.
Yeah it's actual name is like diacetylmorphine
@Remington597man morphine does not = heroin. Heroin = morphine, as soon as it enters the brain.
Remington597man This statement is not accurate in any meaningful sense. If the question is “have you experienced heroin?”, then anybody who’s been put on intravenous morphine has experienced exactly the same sensation. There are no significant distinctions between the two. None. What data did you derive your “it’s laughable” comment from? Your source is erroneous. You should throw that dataset directly into the garbage and burn it. Assuming, of course, that you didn’t simply come up with this idea in your own head and then decide to blurt it out like an expert or somebody with real insight. I’m sure you wouldn’t do that, though.
No.. heroine is spelled completely different than heroine. If they would be the same then the name would be the same.
@@matthewnewton8812 Heroin is alot different than morphine. Unfortunately ive been struggling with heroin addiction on and off for 15 years and have done pretty much every opiate there is. Morphine is so much weaker and is totally different than dope. People who havent shot up dope often think those 2 are the same
Crazy that u cant find the full interview
DXM is the trippy stuff in Nyquil or Robitussin...
Now you know
I had fentanyl iv for major dental work. Stayed awake through the entire process, had no pain, and walked out feeling fine, but a bit woozy. I was required to lay low for 24 hours as the affect of the meds needed to leave my system. It’s too bad fentanyl is used to tap other meds and is banned in places, because there is truly a place for properly used opiate meds.
Interesting that the bad witch in my Wizard of Oz mentions; Poopies!
Monica Cordelia YOURE GETTING SLEEPY....🤭
The hug analogy of opioids is the way I've described it. I've always said that Percocet makes you feel like a blanket of joy is wrapped around you.
New level: Psychedelic ads
Hamilton Morris from Vice was on The Joe Rogan show saying that one of his good friends was one of the "mysterious chemist" that this guy is talking about
Really?? Give us a link please lol
Red Gayapa you can’t just search it you lazy fuck
BOOTSontheGROUND what? Ain’t nobody got time for thAt?
@@bootsontheground9998 sure, mate
Joe “I’m really into cactus, man” Rogan
Man I knew Joe's pool hustler story was on the way 😂😂
Fentanyl was used by my dentist as an anesthesia for my tooth extraction..
They gave me fent and dilaudid for passing a kidney stone
I wouldnt trust a dentist on drugs to pull my teeth out.
@@nived3211 👏🏽👏🏽
@@nived3211 hahahahha😂🤣😂
@D. Chavez maybe he had a really bad stone
its so weird being in anesthesia and seeing fentanyl everyday and constantly hearing people get most things wrong lol
sm5pac3 same. I’m an ER nurse. Give it regularly lol
Yep. Fentyl doesnt last longer. It has super short half life. As soon as i heard that I realized he was going to get alot wrong.
Yeah like fentanyl lasting a long time.
Idk shit about fentanyl other than that it's supposed to be stronger than morphine, heard they also sometimes use it over here in the Netherlands for kinda active euthanasia (only when you cannot be treated further).
Fentanyl sucks it’s strong but it doesn’t last very long. I am a recovering heroin addict and fentanyl is super dangerous. As soon as fentanyl was introduced overdoses have risen so much. You keep doing more because the high doesn’t last at all. I am glad I am out of that life for today because that’s all that I have. Lost slot of friends and family. It is a scary fkn thing having that and carfentanyl out here killing people. Opiates have given me the worst time and staying off of it is harder than you think
Thanks for saying that about Prince,such a loss
The last time I took NyQuil for a cold (2004), I woke up on my living room floor the next morning.
dxm
@Sam Armstrong lol fake ass junkie
They have to be opium producing poppies, which not all are. I grow them on my ranch.
You grow the opium ones?
Yep, I plant a strain called the Persian Blue Poppy.
Address and pictures or it dosent exist!? Lol
Paul Davidson no thanks FBI 😂
How do you get seeds w/o being in violation
"jUsT Say nO!" Dave Chappelle
KING TKC lol!
Look who came around :)
"stoned off of tramadol and tylenol 3" 😂😂
Joe”I was a pool hustler”Rogen