BREITLING Navitimer. The story of an icon, narrated by @watchfred, aka Fred Mandelbaum.
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2022
- #Breitling #BreitlingNavitimer #BreitlingCosmonaute @Breitling
In our 4K-video Fred Mandelbaum ( aka @watchfred ), the well known, very much respected Viennese watch collector and historian, narrates the story of the iconic Breitling Navitimer. We will show you all relevant Breitling Navitimer chronographs since 1952, plus lots of historical pictures and also present you the newest member of the family: The Breitling Cosmonaute 2022.
If you have questions... please post them in the comment section. Either Fred or I will answer you.
Everything started when Willy Breitling in 1952 developed a wrist-worn instrument that would allow pilots to perform all necessary flight calculations. The name “Navitimer” was derived from a combination of navigation and timer.
The Navitimer grew up alongside the burgeoning civil aviation industry. Beloved by airline captains and aircraft enthusiasts, it even made its way into space on the wrist of astronaut Scott Carpenter in 1962 as a 24-hour timepiece to tell day from night. And it wasn’t only pilots drawn to the watch’s irrepressible aesthetic.
Willy Breitling's design was an innovative wrist-worn instrument that would enable pilots to perform such forward-thinking flight calculations as average speed, distance traveled, fuel consumption, and rate of climb. This early answer to the onboard computer was achieved by incorporating Breitling’s patented circular slide rule onto the watch’s rotating bezel. When it launched to AOPA members in 1954, the watch was an instant success.
This very first Navitimer, “completely designed and engineered to AOPA specifications,” did not include Breitling’s name or logo anywhere on the dial. Instead, it was the AOPA logo that featured prominently at 12 o’clock.
The very first Breitling Navitimer was produced in small quantities: 100 in July 1954. It differs from all the following models by the truncated shape of its lugs, shorter by about 1 mm. Its iconic 806 reference was not stamped on the case-back, and the watch was only distributed to AOPA members. However, just one year later, in late 1955, the Navitimer was made available on the open market, featuring the Breitling name above a stylized winged logo and not bearing any reference to the AOPA. It was then that it also received its now iconic 806 reference.
An easy way to spot if an early Navitimer was sold to the AOPA is to look at the logo. All watches featuring AOPA winged logos, signed “AOPA,” were supplied to the famous US association, while unsigned stylized winged logos were commercialized through Breitling’s worldwide distribution network.
THE NAVITIMER «TWIN-JET»
The Navitimer was released by Breitling to the public in late 1955. Breitling added its name and logo to the dial and removed the initials AOPA from the coat of arms in the center of the winged logo.
However, a few years later, it was probably deemed necessary by management for Breitling to have its own logo, rather than the modified AOPA logo. The twin-jet or twinplane logo was thus used on the Navitimer dial in late 1964 and early 1965, replacing the “unsigned” AOPA logo.
This logo is composed of the stylized silhouette of two slightly superimposed aircraft. It appeared on the dial of the Navitimer until 1979 and even beyond, on certain commemorative series. It is interesting to note that this logo already featured on the back of the TransOcean and SuperOcean models in 1957 and was registered in 1958.
The models with AOPA wings, intended for the members of this association, lingered on the dial of certain Navitimer models until at least 1969.
The Breitling COSMONAUTE
The Cosmonaute was the result of a request made to Breitling by astronaut Scott Carpenter for his Mercury-Atlas 7 flight in May 1962.
In orbital flight, and therefore when crossing time zones rapidly, it is not possible for astronauts to rely on a 12-hour dial to know the time, since the notions of day and night do not count. It was therefore relevant to have a 24-hour reading. Venus Caliber 178 was thus modified by replacing mainly the original hours wheel by another one performing one full turn in 24 hours. While this modification did not lead to a change in the name of the caliber, the reference of the watch became 809 instead of 806.
Carpenter also requested that the hours scale (H:MM) be removed from the slide rule on the dial, which he felt was unnecessary in space. This enlarges the diameter of the central area, allowing the addition of hour- markers for the odd-number hours.
Other changes were made. These included increasing the diameter of the rotating bezel by about 2 mm to enable a better grip with gloves. The diameter of the central area of the dial was enlarged, the hours numerals were moved away from the center, and the minutes hand was lengthened. The chronograph seconds hand is also different from that of the Navitimer, since it incorporates the famous diamond tip containing luminescent material, visible at night.
Fred is a legend in the Breitling community.
Yessss! And we are so happy that we could film this video and all his collection of Navitimer chronographs with him ... Thank you Fred once again!
Fred is not only a knowledgeable collector, but also someone who willingly and unreservedly shares his wealth of knowledge. So I really appreciate him as a person!
It was wonderful to work with him!
thank you for the kind words!
Every watch guy knows Fred is a living legend in the Breitling world. Thanks very much for this video!
You are very welcome! Thanks for sharing our passion!
This is incredible! I have been wanting a reference video for our beloved aviation Chronograph for YEARS! Having this historically fact based video as a reference point is incredibly valuable to the brand as well as the industry. There are beautiful shots in this video and the production value is on point! THANK YOU Fred for providing all info and thank you Alexander for hosting. This is phenomenal!
Love your comment! Thanks for sharing our passion! The best possible content for the best audience in the world… 😉
Great video, Alexander. Not enough vintage Breitling content on UA-cam, despite having one of the richest histories of any brand. Breitling needs to produce a regular series featuring Mr. Mandelbaum covering all its incredible models and innovations over the years.
Fred reads here… so let us read what he thinks of that idea… 😎
I couldn’t agree more
True ❤️❤️❤️
Yes good idea 👍🏼
+1 :D
the reason i collect breitling from kern era is fred.. i knew lots of nice good watches will come because the interpretation from willy era will be brought to customer.. moving away from crown and moon brand is the best decision for me and really enjoy breitling watch right now (i know many will call me crazy, and i dont care).. thanks fred for finally joining breitling team
Georges Kern introduced a new dimension of Breitling by no longer ignoring its glorious past... I have very much respect what the family Schneider did for Breitling, especially in difficult times, but Georges simply has the better taste...
That gold 36mm chronomat is gorgeous
And VERY rare! I am so happy that we could show you all these Navitmer chronographs...
Outstanding video! I'd love to see Fred come back again to tell more stories like this.
Thanks for your kind feedback! We are working on it...
Alexander this is why we all love watching your channel what a great history lesson. Thank you!
You are VERY WELCOME! I know we have the best audience in the world ... 😜
Great video, thank you. I am a proud owner of the 60th anniversary “Scott Carpenter Cosmonaute” and I love it.
Thanks for sharing, may your Cosmonaute continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours!
Snag an amazing 🤩 video. Many thanks 🙏 . It assure me that the 2022 Cosmonaute is currently the ultimate Breitling to have.
Thanks for sharing our passion! Do you own it already, or do you plan to buy it?
Congrats! The best clip I have seen from the channel. Watch tv at its best.
Thanks for sharing our passion and your thoughts… Love your comment!
it was A pleasure to listen to someone so knowledgeable about my favorite watch of all time! Thank you!
Yes, yes, yes... so true! I don't think this was the last video we are going to air with Fred... 😉
Excellent interview and presentation showcasing some history of wonderful watches. Thanks for taking the time Fred!!!
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
What a fantastic video, decent Navitimer content is rare so when you get videos like this it’s such a treat.
Looks like we are airing the reference video... 😜
What a great video!, This is an amazing historical recap of the Navitimer. What a great interviewee as well, Mr Mandelbaum is clearly passionate and knowledgeable about the history of the watch.
I am so happy to read this, thanks for sharing!
Excellent interview Alexander - Fred is THE man on the subject of vintage chronographs and Breitling of course is his specialty :)
Great meeting both last week!
-Serge
Yes, he is! 😉 Was great meeting you in Zürich… it always fine to know who the person behind is…
Always the best content! another incredible lesson Alexander! thank you
I am very happy to read this! Thanks for the kind feedback!
Thank you for a great informative video of great history. It takes me 2 to 3 years to buy a watch I am in love with,on my list of the watches I want the Navitimer will be in my collection in about 6 years. I can't wait what a beautiful piece of art.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us! May I be curious and ask which the other ones are?
@@WatchAdvisor my next watch is the Omega Aqua Terra the new red one after that is the Zenith Chronomaster sport. I may give my son the Omega when he brings me his Bachelor's degree next year.
Fred you always bring us new and interesting information about chronographs, Breitlings and now the Navitimer/Cosmonaut, thanks for sharing these with us enthusiasts (and future enthusiasts). It was also an excellent idea to get Gregory talk to us. Thank you for your past and future oeuvre!
Love your comment, thanks for sharing our passion!
Very informative video of a true icon in history. Being an owner of a few Breitling pieces including a Navitimer, I really enjoyed this.
I am happy to read this, thanks for sharing!
Incredible episode for Navitimer enthusiasts, thanks!
I am happy to read this!
Thank you Fred for the inspiration
I love mine ❤️
Thanks for sharing our passion!
I'm happy for you, my friend! A great piece indeed! Enjoy ;)
-Serge
Mine is from the 50th anniversary original Navi edition. Stainless steel, white dial, crock leather strap. A great piece of art in every sense of the word.
I don't wear it on a daily basis. Too ellegant for tees, jeans, sneakers, sandals... but when I'm not wearing, I keep it by my bedside so I can enjoy its beauty.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us! May your Navitimer continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours!
Great to meet you two in Zurich
I am quite often in Zürich… I love the city very much!
I've owned a Navitimer since '08, wear it every day, it's been serviced once and still looks cool, ai get a lot of compliments from other watch guys.
Thanks for sharing! May your Navitimer continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
Great video, very well done and enjoyable, thanks.
Love your comment, thanks for sharing!
Great video as usual Alex!
Regarding the water resistance, the Sinn 903 actually achieved 10 bar of WR using a crown operated inner bezel slide rule.
I still prefer the cleaner look of the Breitling version, but I guess it is possible to retain a functional slide rule while having decent WR.
did you ever use that sliderule? no matter if that setting crown is positioned at 8 or 10, there is no way to operate it quickly and reliably while the watch is on your wrist, even a contortionist would fail. It looks like a functional sliderule - but it is pure decoration.
@@watchfred3865 That's actually a very good point. Thank you for pointing it out.
Something romantic about the name Breitling itself. Proud owner here.
Very true. I don't get that connect with the name Omega and Rolex
@@doperdr I am also a Rolex owner but my Breitling makes me feel some type of way, and I love it!
Love your passion!
very nice interview, very nice persons both of you
Thanks once again for sharing our passion!
Very informative video. Thanks
You are very welcome!
Great video, thank you.
You are welcome!
Alexander! I hope George Kern read this. You deliver the best watch content of the Internet! everyday I learn something new on your channel and this video couldn't be different!. Your approach to the videos and amazing pictures are so nice to see. you are the best! and Fred knowledge is so cultural enrichment!. From a proud owner of a Breitling Top Time Mustang edition that matches my Mach1! Regards
Thanks for sharing our passion and your lovely feedback! I am very happy to read this! Whenever you have a question… you know where I am… 😉
Great video.
Thank you very much! I am happy to read this…
Exceptional
Thanks for sharing! WatchAdvisor #wherethewatchesarethestars
Late to the party but what a wonderful video. Thank you for sharing with us.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us and welcome to WatchAdvisor....
Really great talk :)
Thanks for sharing our passion!
Breitling Navitimer is the most iconic aviation watch, it was a great move to put the aristo computer in a watch very useful for rapid computation when you fly
Well, it probably was the very first "smart-watch" 😜
@@WatchAdvisor HAHA I didn't see it in this way but true 😊😊😊
The most iconic navigation watch is Lindbergh's Hour Angle Watch by Longines which was designed to define longitude during flight for solo aviators who used celestial navigation.
The main drawback of the navitimer is that it is still indexed in MPH rather than KPH (knots) as aviation moved to the nautical mile in the early 1950s. It is a much more convenient unit to work with as 60 nm equal one degree of latitude., Moreover, the navitimer can't really replace the cheap and reliable E-6B, or the iconic Aristo as it lacks many important functions.
@@abrahamlevi3556 True I used a lot the aristo while I was making my private pilot, I still have it but it has been replaced by the use of the IRS and FMGS, the navitimer is more a nostalgic reminder, and it give a great look to the watch and make it iconic.
Congratulations to you and Fred for the interview and the amount of knowledge it delivers.
I was lucky enough to grab one of the just-launched Navitimer B02 Chronograph 41 L/E and my question is about Breitling’s choice for the proposed metal bracelet for this model.
I heard your comments that the intention was not to go for a re-edition but thought it could have been a good idea to propose a version of the metal bracelet somehow “inspired” on the original one.
Do you know the reference of that original bracelet ?
@@sergiocozzi1780 the bracelet originally paired with the Navitimer Cosmonaute 809 in the 1960s was an unbranded Milanaise mesh, manufactured by JB Champion, but the modern "Ocean Racer" 152A is actually quite similar to it.
@@watchfred3865 Many thanks
The waterproof talks sounds rare to me, a Navitimer is no dive watch, so 30 meters is more than good to keep rainwater out of the Breitling. Anyway i want to get one on my wrist, because it is for me the only original chronograph that exist.
Sure, the moon watch, and the chronograph from the brand with the crown are beloved, but for me there is only one.
I am interested in the B1 in house.
Not only the fresh that leave the atelier these days, but i aiming on a quartz with lcd from the late seventies.
Wat a Navitimer make it so strong are the pushers integrated into the case. Another very good decision Breitling made is to avoid silly crown guards. Class, durability, heritage, coolness, charm, 5 words that describe that the Navitimer is the chronograph.
And for who that desire a watch from an independent, with a Navitimer they have an independent model. A lot of watch.
Interesting read, thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us…
@@WatchAdvisor Watch collecting route.
Program. Breitling Navitimer, Cartier Santos, Patek Philippe, some interesting Omega’s, and a Cuervo Y Sobrinos.
Fantastic chat! I've probably watched more than half of the great videos on this channel, and I would rank this at the very top of the list. Out of curiosity, what watch was Fred wearing? My biased guess would be a Cosmonaute K12x22 - my favorite in my Navitimer collection (even though it is almost unreadable at a glance).
as far as I remember I was wearing my solid gold Navitimer Mk2.1.1 during that interview - and thank you for your kind words!
@@watchfred3865 Thank you for your kind and so prompt reply! I'll have to learn quite a bit about older models. As long as I don't have to deal with radium, I will add some to my Navitimer collection , which includes the 2022 Cosmonaute and goes back (only) to the 90s. Have a great weekend!
I realized the significance of the AOPA Navitimer Cosmanaute in 1967 when I was 11? I am 69 now and You've resurrected it! I am wearing a Seiko flight master and drinking non-alcoholic beer!
You dismantled it when you where 11...😉
Dear Fred=Watchfred and Alexander, really appreciate the video, appreciate Watchfred, as a Navitimer fan and owner, I would appreciate like many others if we:
A)Could have enough water resistance to have it as a real daily wear (rain, washing dishes, shower even the swimming pool). Do not give up on that challenge.
If the watch made it to space…can you use your influence in the firm, instead of it can not be done….to challenge it, to make it a goal, to surpass this challenge, internally or even with outside competitions (engineering, design, open to all). Keep the spirit of possible, innovation, challenge alive. To achieve it.
B) Bring back the old logo…anchorwings. The work done by the new CEO and his team is very admirable, it is understandable that it was needed to signal a new era internally and externally. Instead of being a niche pilot brand, becoming a sea, earth, air brand with a wider appeal. This has already been achieved in large part, as the product offering and multiplication of Sales has shown. So maybe some adjustments can now be made…like bringing back the classic logo, that is so so loved by so many.
dear Panis, thank you for the kind words!
re A): we are not giving up, working on solutions to improve the waterproof rating of the Navitimer, but, as discussed, we need to achieve this without sacrificing the functionality; we can't turn the E6B Flight Computer into a useless piece of decoration - and need to meet the requirement of highest long term reliability.
re B): fear that's a "no" for the core catalog models, nothing fits the watch better than the original and true "classic" AOPA logo that has now returned to the Navitimer line.
@@watchfred3865
Dear Watchfred,
Genuinely thank you very much for the considerate, thoughtful and polite response, for taking time out of your busy schedule.
A) Wonderful, agree.
B) The bring back the wings/old logo comment was for all models, that use the single B one.
As for the Navitimers I agree with you, the classic AOPA logo is special and looks great.
I wrongly thought it was only on the captivating 806 re-edition.
Saw three logos going through the site.
First a huge thanks to Fred and the Watchadvisor. The Navitimer is a watch that truly deserves a tribute and one of the rare that deserves the name icon.
And a "big up" to Fred, his knowledge is as big as his kindness. A true gentleman.
A bit f personnal story.
I fell in love with Navi when a fellow Student came with a Navitimer Montbrillant Olympus, it was so beautiful. Years later i got interested into watches an couldn t help thinking of a nice 806. I read then about the cosmonaute and its story (not so well detailed as now). I wondered how that watch which has one of the most important story can be so under the radar. A 1962 Cosmonaute happened to be on auction, i contacted Watchfred for his knowledge and I am so happy to have it ever since.
Now two question for you Fred, tough ones 😉
-applied B gold logo ... when did they happen?
-production dates of the 809 wide bezel all black . Start with Carpenter around April Mai? Stop when ? In 1962?
you’d need to be a bit more precise regarding the “applied B” 😎
on the Chronomat and Premier we see the first “applied B & capitals” widely used in ca. 1948
- for the Navitimer we have some very rare examples of that logo on watches from late 1955 and no further use of that logo on the Navitimer during the Willy Breitling “reign”
regarding wide bezel 809 dating - there was only one production batch for these cases, June 1962. until mid 1963 we see all black dials and syringe hands on the Cosmonaute (both wide and regular bezel), then, along with the Navitimer, comes the move to reverse panda dials and pointed baton hands.
@@watchfred3865 thanks Fred that was what I was looking for 🙏🙏🙏
A wonderful and concise presentation of the history of this icon. I really enjoyed this.
Fred, do we know that it was AOPA, rather than Breitling itself that decided to change the truncated lugs? I assume it was a
purely aesthetic decision either way.
no, we don't; as I say it is an assumption only that this was based on AOPA feedback; yes, purely aesthetic, I see no potential functional reason for that change in case design.
Really enjoyed the informative video. Since Scott Carpenter had a big hand in the lay out of the original "Cosmonaute", I was wondering if you knew how much influence he had on the lay out of the "Cosmonaute Scott Carpenter" produced in the late 90's. Thank you.
little to none for the 1990s LE
Dear Fred and Alexander, that was a really interesting discussion on the Navitimer. Can you tell me when the 'B' logo first appeared on the crowns of the watches?
the B-branded crowns start appearing in 1951 (first with the Unitime 1-260), then from 1953 onwards across the model line.
Thanks Fred for answering!
Walter White really knows his watches
I still use the slide rule e6b when I fly for fuel calculations.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us! I know about that similarity with Brian Cranston… would like to meet the guy… 🤣
Love the conversation. I've just bought a gold plated cosmonaute with two plain logo and the name cosmonaute between the three litle chronis, it still have the paper label in the case with the inscription "ref 809.4 - Cosmonaute - Navitimer", would it be possible to tell me what year is this watch?
Kindest regards
“TwinJet” logo tells us your watch was assembled 1965 or later - is there a serial (7 digit, leading “1”) on the outer caseback? This number would allow me to tell you the precise case manufacturing date. If there is no serial outside the caseback, we would already know it isn’t 1968 or later, when that numbering method was introduced, but you would have to open the caseback and tell me the number stamped inside for precise dating.
Hey guys - great video! Recently learned that my wife's uncle has her grandfather's Navitimer from the late 50's or early 60's (all black dials, Breitling and Navitimer printed on dial), but it doesn't run and has a lot of wear and tear visible on it. Any advice or recommendations on how to get it running again (while keeping it as vintage as possible)?
A very skilled watchmaker with access to Breitling original spare parts can help… he will know what to do… If none is available Breitling can also do the job…
I just discussed it with Fred... He adds the following: "Will, it would be good to see pictures of what you describe as a 'lot of wear and tear' to advise on which watchmaker may be best suited for the job. email me at watchfred[.]ig[@]gmail[.]com, please. also add where you are located. best, Fred" (remove the parentheses from the email address)
Send it in to Breitling. They can do a complete overhaul on it.
In 1967 my Dad gave me a Breitling Navitimer AOPA cosmonaute24 Hour Dial wristwatch He had obtained from a wholesaler client. I was 11 years old and curious so I dissasembled it! I didnt become a certified watch repairer untill I was 54!
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May I ask: why so late and what did you study to become one?
Why did Breitling stop making the Montbrillant Datora A21330? Thank You for the best presentation video on the history of Navitimer. I would like to see part 2 with questions answered.
the whole Montbrillant range has been discontinued years ago - but stay tuned for future full calendar models, though it will take some patience
Hello, thank you for this video. May I know which model came after the Navitimer A23322? I understand it was discontinued in 2010 but couldn't find what replaced it
in 2010 the Navitimer went “in-house” with their own caliber B01 - first with a Navitimer 01Limited Edition, the AB121, then in 2011 with the “core catalog” AB121
@@watchfred3865 thank you!
I am already missing their B+Anchor+Wings logo on Breitling’s top of the line watches…I guess I will have to wait until that logo is a vintage reissue on a Chronomat/Navitimer/Super Avi (would LOVE one of those in the new cases + B04 + Wings logo). Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy my A13340 SuperOcean Chrono while I wait.
Thanks for sharing our passion and your thoughts with us!
I’m am seriously considering the B01 Navitimer. My biggest “concern” is regarding the water resistance of only 30m. If I’m going to spend $10,000 on a watch, I’d like to at least go swimming in 5-6 feet of water. I live central Texas where average summer temps are near or over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Occasionally I’ll jump in the pool. I don’t want to have to worry about my watch in 5-6 feet of water. And about the deepest I go is 15 feet.
Is there that big of a risk of getting water damage in 5-6 feet of water? Considered the DateJust as it says it’s “waterproof” to 100m, but I really like the B01 Navitimer.
Can you offer any insight/input? My watches aren’t “safe queens”. I’m going to use it. I sold my Speedmaster I’d had for 12 years because I simply fell out of “like” with it. But i used to cut the grass, go running, swimming, lift weights, chop trees down, etc. with it.
I’m getting older now (a few years from 50). I’m not into Seamasters or Submariners anymore. I’ve narrowed it down to the DateJust and B01.
I think I’m going to become a one watch guy) I feel my biggest “issue” is whether or not I can swim with my watch. I don’t want to have to leave it in my vehicle or at home. I should be able to wear it in a few feet of water.
Can I accept that maybe I just may have to for the sake of the functionality of the watch? Sure. But again, for $10,000, a few feet of water shouldn’t put the watch at risk of damage. Thanks again
Wow was ein schönes Video! 👍
Navitimer 4 ever.
Eine Frage Alexander und zwar finde ich das blaue Nato an deiner persönlichen limitierten Blauen Navitimer Mega! Kannst du mir bitte den Namen oder ein link dazu verraten ! LG
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I love my Twin Sixty.
Thanks for sharing our passion!
My watch still has the original tag on the back case cover (new old stock), so I can't see if there are numbers inscribed. The label has the following inscription:
LOGO "B" BREITLING GENEVE - REF. 809.4 - Cosmonaut - Navitimer 24 H
- 540.--
no way of precisely dating it without the serial. but, if it has that sticker, it with the highest probability comes from the Geweniger/OWJ-stock which included late production watches only, so assembly mid 1970s.
i do love Navitimers
Do you own one?
You can easily identify a Navitimer from a distance
Yes! And this is rare in the industry... How many watches can claim that?
Hi Alexander, great review as always!
How would you compare this navitimer with the new Sinn 903 St. Sinn managed to make its Navitimer 200m water resistant while eleminating the extra crown.
I like the Sinn better manly due to it being affordable, but the Breitling navi seems more refined.
I am looking forward to watching you review the new Sinn 903.
Best regards!
Sinn has for sure the better case, Breitling by far the better calibres… The Sinn still is a very good watch and yes less expensive… I wouldn’t hesitate buying one… Keep us posted please…
@WatchAdvisor I'm really considering buying the Sinn 903 St II. The price seems fair to me. It does not feel out of proportion, like the increased prices of the Breitling or other Swiss watchmakers.
Of course, there is inflation, high R&D consts, and so on, but these prices, if artificially increased for the sake of exclusivity, are going to alienate a lot of watch enthusiasts.
@@aureliussch.2185 I hear and understand you!! With every Sinn you are buying a very, very good watch sold a very very fair price… Go for it! Share some thoughts with us once you bought it…
what was the price in U.S. Dollars for the.Navitimer AOPA Cosmanaute in 1967?
This is a question we have to pass on to Fred... 😉
That would be great!
the closest I can offer is a 1965 price list, I’m afraid. US$ 220 for the Navitimer Cosmonaute
@@watchfred3865 Thank you,I really appreciate it!
Why you didn’t write cosmonaute on the watch like the original flown to space? Great video thank you!
That’s a question I can’t answer, but Fred will…
@@WatchAdvisor Thank you, just a curiosity really, I’m sure they had good reasons not to.
sorry, Stefano; had just seen this question. Yes, there was a reason for that decision: The only criticism that Scott Carpenter voiced when he received his prototype watch was that the dial said "Cosmonaute", then associated with Russian space programs - NASA's bitter competitors during the Cold War years. The replacement watch that was made for Scott and his fellow astronauts, therefore, had only "Navitimer" on the dials. As the current LE is a tribute to Scott, we decided to respect that personal request again.
@@watchfred3865 Thank you very much Fred for the precious info. I wish you a great day.
So, what is the best chronograph currently in production? ;)
In what price range?
@@WatchAdvisor in the mass-manufactured luxury watch segment, i.e. Rolex Daytona, Omega various movements, Breitling B01, Zenith, these
It was great to learn about Scott Carpenter's connection with Australia and how it influenced the development of the watch. So glad that his watch is still around.
It is still around and it will sty around also in the future, since it is part of the history of Swiss watchmaking....
Why is it a limited production? (One of 362) I want to buy one now! Lol
Why not? Hurry up and get yours... 😜
@@WatchAdvisor Sadly I already bought the new ones a few months ago. Can't justify another one so similar when I still have so many others to collect 😫
Hi all really enjoyed watching this video been a huge watch enthusiast for about 5 years and wanting to get iconic watches what I can afford of course the rolex submariner i think is way over priced but that's for an other time to chat about 😁
Have been lucky enough to have in my possession a vintage omega seamaster 1965, (speedmaster companion is its nick name) seamaster 300 with the 8800 movement and omega speedmaster professional one of the last production of the 1861 movement. Been admiring the breitling navitimer for a while such a beautiful design and a icon in the watch industry and stumbled across the navitimer cosmonaute reading more into it having the same manual wind movement as the speedmaster professional. I have the opportunity to purchase one there are 2 available model number 12022 or the 12322, my question is is there a preference between these two and correct me if I'm wrong the 12322 being a cosc and in productionfor two years from 1999 to 2001 would love to here your feed back thank you
no, it is precisely as you say, differences between the 12022 and 12322 are "only" the COSC certification - there is no "collectors preference" for any of these two; only watch condition plays a relevant role here.
@@watchfred3865 awesome thank you for replying much appreciated checking them out is the next step, there was other question im finding alot of navitimer timers with the 2892-a2 with the Dubois-Depraz where do they stand vs the manual wind and the Valjoux movement thank you
@@manuelfanourgakis9231 Breitling (like several other high end brands) has used modular calibers based on the 2892-A2, often with Breitling-exclusive chronograph modules by Duboius-Depraz; I would clearly put these well above the "mass market" 7750 derivatives.
@@watchfred3865 hi Fred thank again for your feedback im surprised with that the moderator movements are well above the 7750 for example would think a purpose built automatic chronograph would be place higher. Would personally prefer the manual wind movement like the navitimer cosmonaute
I love the navitimer but I wear mine and never take it off. Let’s hope that there will be the re release of the 100m navitimer then I can wear it and never take it off
You can wear your Navitimer without any problems one a daily base... Just don't go swimming and don't take a shower with it...
@@WatchAdvisor thanks for the advice but my watch never leaves the wrist. Love the Navi but as it is right. Ow it’s too delicate for me
They need to reissue the old school chronomat.
Why? can you please specify?
@@WatchAdvisor I don’t need a tachymeter or other conversion references. Having a circular slide rule and chronograph already makes for a busy dial.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts…
@WatchAdvisor I’m am seriously considering the B01 Navitimer. My biggest “concern” is regarding the water resistance of only 30m. If I’m going to spend $10,000 on a watch, I’d like to at least go swimming in 5-6 feet of water. I live central Texas where average summer temps are near or over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Occasionally I’ll jump in the pool. I don’t want to have to worry about my watch in 5-6 feet of water. And about the deepest I go is 15 feet.
Is there that big of a risk of getting water damage in 5-6 feet of water? Considered the DateJust as it says it’s “waterproof” to 100m, but I really like the B01 Navitimer.
Can you offer any insight/input? My watches aren’t “safe queens”. I’m going to use it. I sold my Speedmaster I’d had for 12 years because I simply fell out of “like” with it. But i used to cut the grass, go running, swimming, lift weights, chop trees down, etc. with it.
I’m getting older now (a few years from 50). I’m not into Seamasters or Submariners anymore. I’ve narrowed it down to the DateJust and B01.
I think I’m going to become a one watch guy) I feel my biggest “issue” is whether or not I can swim with my watch. I don’t want to have to leave it in my vehicle or at home. I should be able to wear it in a few feet of water.
Can I accept that maybe I just may have to for the sake of the functionality of the watch? Sure. But again, for $10,000, a few feet of water shouldn’t put the watch at risk of damage. Thanks again
you’ve asked Alex, but I assume he’ll agree: no, you don’t swim with a Navitimer.
@@watchfred3865 Appreciate the feedback. Noted. Be safe!
No swimming/jumping in the pool with a Navitimer! No good idea… 😉
@@WatchAdvisor yeah guess I can live with that. Love the history of the Navitmer. My dad showed me how to use a slide rule when I was a kid so I could actually use it (or my iPhone 😉). Not being able to swim with it is a small price to pay. Thank y’all again!
Great video, why not 5bar ?
What is funny, almost all people forget that for having 10bar or above, you need also make more servicing for checking if the seals are still good ;)
It is a watch that meant to be in the air and not under water... For normal daily use 3 bar are enough...
There is not really and advantage to have 5 bars instead of 3 because you still cannot take the watch for a swim :-) You need 10 bars minimum to have a real
advantage.
@@x201t i know that, a domestic pipeline system is between 2 and 5 bar. For me, the minimum for a watch of this day must have 5 bars at least.
@@BlackWipeout after the tap the pressure goes down to atmospheric level (1 bar).
Now is the time on Spockets when we talk Navitimer
Did you mean “Sprockets”?
Could a carbon case Navitimer be made? It would be lighter...
Is a Navitimer heavy? I own several and I don’t think so…
The best Navitimer is the Sinn version.
I disagree, but tastes are different…
How many of each have you owned to make such a statement? Just calling oneself "the something" does not make one an authority in anything. The original 903s had the same design and even original Breitling parts, so there isn't anything to make them better. The current 10-bar design with a knurled bezel that does not rotate is at best uninsipiring. The only Sinn 903 that could be argued as having something better designed than Breitling's Navitimers was the Lemania-powered 24-hour version, with a more legible and arguably estetically more pleasing dial. (I own and love that 903 together with quite a few of Breitling's Navitimers, so my opinion is backed by experience with these watches.)