Manufactures need to stop integrating the HVAC controls into the screen. Functions like fan control, temperature, vent control, defrost, and A/C on-off need to be dedicated buttons. A dedicated sync on-off button is nice to have too, but not essential.
does look significantly improved. you guys were one of the few media outlets to really call them out on the poor effort and looks like you were proven right.
As someone who worked on part of the 2020 Explorer and the 2025 Explorer, your review is actually the one I wanted go see most. OG 2020 was very half baked, glad to see the company got it together for 2025
Ford has NEVER gotten it together. They built crap back in the day; they build crap now; they'll always build crap in the future. This isn't sarcasm or hyperbole, it's the truth.
@@toyota420xp I'm almost the opposite -- I want to know more about the interior and the running gear (suspension, etc). I just don't get the chance to really "explore the limits" of any vehicle around here, so how a car transitions from understeer to oversteer isn't something I care about day to day.
Sort of, but also the ST is different from the Platinum. I actually own a 2020 ST and two big issues they had with their Plat that I didn't have were 1. Leather quality/wear, mine has 75k miles and zero wear on the leather what so ever, looks brand new. and 2. Suspension/ride issues since the ST has the suspension from the Police Intercepter and is stiffer than the other trim Explorers.
@@KentBuchla What standard? This is standard English. The whole sentence is "All these changes prove sth". Ford made some changes, hence the adjective "Ford made" added behind the noun "changes". The fact proven can't be expressed as a single noun, therefore, an objective clause "that your first review was right" is in place of sth after the verb "prove". And as we all know, the conj. "that" in an objective clause can usually be omitted. Therefore, the whole sentence, "All these changes Ford made prove (that) your first review was right." is completely correct.
As the owner of an 18 Fiesta ST, straight line speed gets old after a while. I've owned my car for four years and it still makes me smile when I mob around corners. That never gets old.
I had a FiST for five years and loved every drive in it until the crappy Ford interior quality and lousy dealer network finally got to me. But still, every time I see a big Ford SUV with an ST badge, I cringe.
After a lot of seat time in these Explorers, I think the Explorer ST is like a hot hatchback in a big SUV. They drive better than what you’d expect from a big SUV but it’s definitely not like a Mustang. I personally hate SUV’s but if I was forced to drive one, this would be my choice.
Fitment and quality needs to be far better for 60k+. If the other manufacturers can do it (and often for less) then Ford can do it. Ford had an ad campaign that said, 'Quality is job one'. I guess theey forgot that mantra.
I really appreciate all the effort put into the transitions. I like seeing the different effects and designs used to go between the phases of the video. You guys are professionals!
Thank you! Seriously. Your real reviews are on point, relative, and entertaining. It should be a requirement for everyone in the market for a vehicle to see your videos!
I own a 2023 ST and I watched the review of the 2020 platinum you did a while ago. I completely agree with you on the fairness of the review. As someone who came from a 2014 explorer with the n/a V6, the 23 blows it out of the water in every single area no question. However, the quality especially in the interior Ford needs to do better as well as the transmission shifting. Looks like they improved the interior which is great to see but I’m not too thrilled with the new grill design and the lack of a black wheel option. Overall, I’m happy with my ST and I’m glad I made the upgrade
The shots of the trim pieces and storage cubbies in the final thoughts segment are damning in regard to Ford’s ability to put out a car that is truly well built.
I acquired the first Explorer ST back in early 2020 and I ditched it after 9 months of ownership. They were "relatively cheap" but I couldn't stand the quality and how the Ford service department was handling the issues since they were desperate. Glad to hear it's way better now. After this review, I am thinking if I should consider purchasing it again since I am a big fan of the Explorer. Love the ST.
Its weird to me how the GM and Ford 10 speed is basically the same transmission but Ford seems to really struggle with the tuning. All the GM reviews with this transmission say its super smooth and you cant even feel it shifting but then the Ford versions shift a lot more noticeably. I would like to have some engineering insight on why there's such a big difference in tuning because it just seems odd.
Highly sure one is for performance ; most of “yall” dont wanna feel the shifting; I do I like to feel it downshift and upshift this isnt a luxury amg 53. Or lexxus .
Fords have traditionally shifted more firmly than GMs - less slippage means longer life for the clutch plates. And I don't mind feeling the shifts. Opinions will vary, of course.
Great information here and thanks for sharing. I have a 23" ST which is getting upgraded to a 25" because of the interior improvements that were made. However, I have to disagree with the evaluation about this vehicles performance capabilities and feel like it was down played. This thing is a nemesis to a lot of folks out there who think they have a fast car. No, you are not going to outrun a ZL1 or Hellcat from a 40 roll in a stock ST. But from a dig, you have a chance against the average Joe in a sports car if they aren't on their game. I consider that pretty damn fast for a family truckster. Throw a tune at one of these things and you are gonna be hard to beat regardless!! Just saying this is a VERY capable vehicle in terms of performance.
I used to work with someone who leased Fords all the time. He likes Fords and even he said you don't buy them because the quality is not there. He showed me his Explorer right before he gave it back. I remember, at the two year mark, the ac stopped working, check engine light was on, and one of the doors was somehow rubbing on the frame to the point the paint was gone.
My family has had this era ford for 10 years one has 140k the other has 310k no real issues. One leaks some oil at 300k and the turbos had to be replaced at 300k and one tpms sensor I swear people go 15k on oil changes and drive cars like it's a rental bmw.
Fun on the road segment. Jack hanging onto the grab handle but giggling as Mark tries hard to break the rear free in a turn. Blur! - nice touch. Agree, AA looks like an upgrade to get functions and re-gain vent and control space. The interior quality fails…. Yikes. A BIG show-stopper in a near-new vehicle. Quality is job # what? Esp in a >$60K vehicle. There are a lot of choices at that price.
Thank you guys so much for the review of the 2025 explorer! I seriously have been waiting for you guys specifically to check this one out. You were pretty blunt with the other explorer review, which I truly truly appreciate. Its a lot of money to spend on a vehicle and I love hearing the honesty and detailed review. I am honestly worried about kia and hyundai for reliability, cx90 had some issues and felt too small for a 6ft dude. So I was left with Pilot, Highlander, and Explorer. My brain says get pilot or highlander, but I seriously felt like a bit of my soul died as I did the test drives, it felt like I aged another 15 years instantly....I think you said it best...i feel like I'm in a penalty box. I do like the look of the explorer, feels sporty and aggressive and I like the drive, but I needed to know if I should pass or if its worth consideration. So thanks again, great notes and call outs. 1st new car so more thinking to do, but I am really digging the Explorer
At least with my experience with Fords, me and my family have owned several, it does seem that Ford's transmissions have been weaker than everyone else's with exception of an F-150 we owned. I would recommend changing transmission fluid every 40-45K miles to prevent further issues. I have a friend that has several Ford's and a Lincoln. They never changed the transmission fluid and they have had transmission problems a lot. I know all vehicles need to be serviced, but Ford's need that extra touch of care and they will be good vehicles. I would also say as far as Ecoboost engines go, yes there were bad years, mainly with the 4-cylinders, but everyone change your engine oil full-synthetic every 5K miles. I have a 2020 Ford Fusion with the 2nd Gen 2.0 Ecoboost engine and I have been doing this consistently and I am over 100K miles without any issues!
I worked for a rental company and the only transmission we ever had go out while I was there was the 10 speed f-150. My friend has a Lincoln with the 2.0T and 6 speed and he is on his 3rd or 4th transmission in under 100,000 mi
I had a 2010 Ford Flex Limited with 3.5L ecoboost and AWD. The transmission failed at 60k miles, and again around 100k miles. The engine never had any issues.
This is an awesome platform for the money. The 2020 Explorer ST is probably the best year, this was right before Covid and the supply chain issue that hurt the 2021 years and above. But with a simple tune, and E50, these things are running mid 11 second quarter miles. Sub four second to 60, reliability.
I have a 2020 Explorer ST, with a touch over 30,000 miles on it. I must be one of the few that hasn't experienced real issues with my truck, and it's been tuned since I got it. I love it, and it damn near beats everything thrown at it. I like the 2025, but I can't see myself trading in mine just for some tech upgrades.
I'm in the same boat.. I did drive the new one recently and I'm trading mine in.. The interior and electronics are way better.. Seats feel better and the transmission is far superior in the new one..
I just want to know if they fixed the ecoboost. Interior is something important but misaligned trim wont leave me stranded or out 10k after the short 5 year warranty.
They have redesigned all 4 banger EcoBoost with a new engine called MPC. The most important thing they did was give them dual injection. All I can say is I know the new 2.0 is in the 23 Escapes and the new 2.3 is in the 24 Mustangs and by the video the 25 Explorer has the new 2.3 too, because they said it was dual injection. Don't know if that means anything to you but seems Ford hasn't really market that too much.
@@Chieftain357 dual injection is better for the valves and carbon buildup. They had problems with the heads warping too, required whole new engines because of coolant getting in the cylinders. Supposedly that's better too, but it takes years to find this stuff out. We will know how good the 2024 Ecoboost is in 2030.
it seems the ford transmissions have had this jerk, the slam since they introduced the 6F50 even in the 2009/10 mks and taurus. and these were 6 gears. in fact, many times my trans had to be updated and fixed to address the slamming into gears, both up n down.
i agree, there are moments it shifts super nice and smooth and other times it's too rough, what bothers me most on 6r trans in v6 F150s is extremely slow downshift, like it goes in choke then suddenly kicks late and hard to point i have to abandon the idea of passing... i started using dam gear limiter to down shift ahead sometimes
Glad to see Ford trying to improve somewhat. Seems like they and Chevy are trying to mostly update interior and screens basically to be more modern. Just a shame that you can’t trust their reliability as you can see on the little things let along the big things. Also, there was a time where at least you got these things much cheaper than other brands - not any more. I would rather have a cheaper reliable well made car with less modern touches as nice as they are.
They should do a NA version of the 2.3 four. Eliminate as many potential failure points as possible. Make it the only option for the Police Interceptor. You can't outrun a radio.
Happy to see the updates. Id still take a Jeep Grand Cherokee L for a 3 row. ZF Trans and a super reliable 3.6L v6. Cons being the usual Stelantis issues, but still the more practical American built choice IMHO.
Would’ve bought the Pilot TS too but unfortunately, it’s way beyond my budget. Insurance is high too on the Pilot here in SK, Canada. Went with the Pathfinder Platinum instead - naturally-aspirated V6 as well, luxury-level interior design and built quality, 9-speed AT, 50”-wide cargo space, etc.
I have an Aviator and have driven a bunch of the luxury 3 rows. Dynamically this platform is on the level of something like an X5 IMO. With the 3.0TT and for what it is it's legit fun to drive. I had a soulless Sienna and hated it. Even for a school bus getting something that can make you smile is worth it.
@@colin-nekritz ironically my Sienna got totaled with about 30k miles. Not hard to find 6th gen Exploders closing in on 200k miles though and I don't drive a ton of miles anyway. Not having to drive something boring FTW
Ford appears to have stepped up its game with the Explore ST. Y'all had some pretty good laughs during the driving segment. This is an interesting proposition. It can be driven hard or be particularly satisfying during casual driving, when the 10-speed will jerk you off. Well Done. Thank you.
I spend 8-12hrs w the Interceptor (3.0L turbo) version….it’s a nice car. For being a big car, it drives quite nice. Serves us well for duty. We’ve gotten stuck with a few of the 3.3 NA’s and they SUCK. Still drive decent….but SLOW. If you care about “go” you *need* the ST
I’m just here to help the algorithm. Showing support for the most honest & informative car review channel. Ford always seems to cheap out on some critical area that keeps me away from their products
I have an HD350 Transit work van. It weighs about 9,000lbs and has the 10spd RWD with dully’s. It’s really low compared to a truck or SUV. The twin turbo V6 is super torquey. But the coolest thing is the traction control mapping. Left foot breaking works really well. It’s obviously not a sports car, but it surprisingly well controlled and communicative. In my 30mi radius most the roads are 45mph speed limited. If you don’t go 45-50mph you will hit every single red light. Most of the cars are Outbacks, Priuses, and Toyota Highlander CVT s**tboxes, driven by NPC’s going 30mph at all times. It’s a sad state of affairs that driving my cargo van at the speed limit feels like I’m tearing through traffic like a car chase is some 70’s movie. But thank god I can. If I had to be stuck behind all these bozos hitting every red light it would easily add an hour to my work day. I greatly appreciate that ford seems to make all their vehicles at minimum competent and brisk. My wife leased a plug in hybrid 7 seater and it literally felt like driving a VW bus.
No family here. After I totaled my first Exp ST, I ended up with another because nothing else in the market provides the utility/performance for the price. An intercooler, exhaust and E50 tune brings these to the mid-high 11’s in the quarter mile and gets to 60 in the mid 3s. I don’t use the third row seating, it’s always down and I use that area as a small truck bed. Probably would buy a Ranger Raptor today, but that just came out. Love these things, but with all the issues I wish there was something else in the market that had the utility and performance ford is offering in this segment. I think the aftermarket carries my decision to buy again
I would ask why in the hell you would tune one of these? They’re already unreliable so you’re only making that worse. Also… it’s a freaking SUV lol. Who cares if it does a quarter mile in the 11s.
I always wonder why people put the tune stuff here. Obviously, you can tune any car, and it increases the performance by pretty much the same percentage regardless of car.
My wife had a 2020 ST. Ended up being bought back from ford in less than a year. Spent 3 months in the shop total. In a year of ownership: 2 broken exhaust manifolds 1 leaking down pipe Cam phasers went bad while in for. Exhaust leak and engine had to be torn out Delaminating window switches Door windows leaking and allowing air and noise in
@@TheStrider420My parents always did it with me in the car. Of course, I was an only child until I was 13 so I spent quite a but of time in the back of coupes.
@@vr6gls okay but some ppl like an elevated drivers view with 3 row capability. I don’t get the constant need to tell others what they should or shouldn’t like in the car community. It’s super cringe
@@TheStrider420 Sitting up high does nothing when everyone else is driving tall vehicles. That’s the silliest argument for SUV’s. I’m tired of all other vehicle types being killed off, in favor of boring and expensive SUV’s. Especially when 80% of SUV buyers don’t haul or tow anything. Sorry, I have little sympathy in regards to your sentiment. We have lost some great sedans, hatchbacks, wagons and coupes in America because most Americans are lazy and image conscious. I blame the majority of SUV drivers for why the car market sucks now. Fun cars are disappearing. Cheap cars are almost nonexistent and dealer lots are full of overpriced SUV’s that all look the same.
Lots of negative comments. Ford did a great job with this refresh. Great technology, fun to drive, comfortable, and versatile. I just don’t understand why someone would choose a Kia or Hyundai that is know as a throw away car worthless after 100k miles. Honda or Toyota for reliability for sure but not fun to drive.
My wife and I LOVED the 2020 ST for the driving experience. We drove all the luxury brands so called performance models at the $60k range and were terribly disappointed until we got to throughly abuse an ST. All of the other brands were weak and boring compared to the STs performance and handling.
Poor build quality, especially on interior parts - that’s what turned me off with Ford products. I’ve experienced it on the Edge, Explorer, & Expedition 2014-2021. It seems after all these years, they’re still working on fixing those issues. I hope they will soon.
You would think that these guys would have figured out how to make a car by now. 9/1/2024: "Ford Motor Co. will recall 90,736 vehicles because engine intake valves in the vehicles may break while driving, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Saturday. The recall is of certain 2021-2022 Bronco, F-150, Edge, Explorer, Lincoln Nautilus, and Lincoln Aviator vehicles equipped with either a 2.7L or 3.0L Nano EcoBoost engine, the NHTSA said."
Enter Toyota: Recalls 100K Toyota and Lexuses in 2024 to replace the engine! after ripping off people in the name of reliability! Atleast Ford sells on performance.
Well, can't really call out Ford without calling out Toyota--which is planning to replace the engines in the Tundra (I think the Landcruiser too? Could be wrong on that one). At least in both cases, they're owning up to it and offering to make it right.
@lego4virgo multiple Ford models and multiple engines, new engine on new model year for Toyota - not good in either case but hasn't Ford had the most recalls of any mfg in 2024?
That dash piece behind the infotainment system looks like a gym back roller. Kick panels and trim pieces coming off in a $60 effing thousand dollar vehicle is a big deal to me. I manage a fleet that consists of a couple dozen explorers. Thank god for the general public they don't have to suffer with the 3.3 v-6 which is, the WORST powertrain/transmission combination since the Pinto. And the 10 speed is just as bad in the 1 Hybrid we have---absolute garbage. They've had major recalls each of the last 2 years, and now, all the 3.3's are getting recalled starting in the first quarter of 2025 due to engine fire risks. There are also major production issues with all Explorers. It's so bad that many large agencies that have used Explorers for years are having to switch to F-150's. Ford simply doesn't care about producing a quality Explorer any more and, like you guys mention at the end, the competition kicks its ass all over this segment.
Good job of avoiding ill placed and unnecessary four letter words. It must've hurt so bad to hand Ford a little credit. I'll cheer up if and when you do. Still elated 2020 XLT owner.
Still not a fan of how absolutely anything mechanical repair-wise is overly complex and puzzled together. I’d only own one for as long as I’ve got a complete warranty as 10+ hours to repair an oil pan leak is ridiculous
@@ZACH_95_ F150 is much different, despite the same engine. The 4wd system on the Explorer due to lack of space runs through a tunnel in the oil pan, which was prone to cracking if the drivetrain bushings got worn. And because of how tightly the front diff is packed in, you have to remove the transfer case to remove the front driveshaft, and the engine mounts to remove the diff. It’s a mess. I would rather work on whatever the worst job to do on a 2.7l F150 for the rest of my days than work on anything with the new Explorer under flat rate terms
I've had two Fords (popular models) in my lifetime, and after 2-3 years of ownership for each, I later swore - never again. I'm glad that Ford has seen the relevance of making the Explorer's interior more attractive, and I agree that it does look much better. I know this is one of the few in its class that is a traditional RWD model, but none of these improvements influence me to buy one. The engineering quality of Explorers has just been subpar over the years. Ford is doing something right - they sell a ton of these, as they sell F-150s and other models. To their point though towards the end of the video, the MDX's/Pilots/Tellurides/Palisades (not in any order) of the world are more attractive for this market. Until Ford makes 'Quality Job 1' again - for real - I'm not interested in any Ford.
I sat in one the other day and decided to drive it. Shit isn’t much different than the 2023 I own. I was fully prepared to “upgrade” but it is not worth it.
My wife had to have some recall work done on her Bronco Sport. Was going to take a couple days. Dealer gave us a brand new Explorer. It was nice. Didn’t blow me away, but luxury SUVs aren’t my bag…baby.
I still dont know why not many manufacturers (when) use an aluminum oil pan with cooling fins which I'm sure would help cool that oil at the bottom of the oil pan and also adding in strength incase of a strike like on a car which I've seen happen quiet a bit crazy enough.
Being a fleet favorite vehicle also has a positive. Sure it's less special but aftermarket and dealer infrastructure support Will be massive. This in turn helps longevity costs. Something like a kia or heaven bless Nissan suffers from this (unless it's a frontier)
Good engine, and promising overall direction for the brand, but overall still not even close to the value and premium feeling you get from a CX-90, or even a Genesis GV80 (if RWD is a must). Honestly for 90% of people, an Acura MDX is going to feel like a spaceship compared to this even down 50 hp.
I kind of feel bad for Ford and GM: they’ve lost so many buyers like me due to quality and dealership experience, and they’ll never get us back. Chrysler, of course is toast.
If you talking about the 3.5/3.7 different engine with an even higher repair cost when the twin turbos go out probably double with labor and tax. I'd take one of those over this at least those fix it and it'll run 3-500k with care.
I put my wife in a '23 ST, coming from a '19 MDX, based off your original review I went in wanting to not like it and get the Aviator instead. But I ended up with an 8k mile CPO car at $48k, very good deal and sidelines most of the gripes. It is definitely not for everyone, but I love the vehicle based off a couple things. First, the performance drivetrain is something people will actually give a shit about vs the commodity engine. So even if ford fails, the aftermarket will pick up the slack. Second, the other penalty box suvs have a nasty habit of all the inputs being behind a layer of "nerf". The MDX was really bad about this, delay in throttle vs input and traction control pulling throttle (despite a very advanced awd system), made the car semi-dangerous in merging maneuvers. The ST, due to the "sportiness", has all of these habits turned down slightly and feels much more natural.
I don't know how this would factor into a consumer review, but since this is the new cop car, the handling and agility improvements really are more than a gimmick. I know they mostly idle, but keeping LEOs safe at speed is a good thing for them and everyone else around.
Well, that’s an endorsement!! 😆 Basically, it doesn’t “suck” as much as before and there are a bunch of better alternatives BUT this is OK! Thank you guys for your usual honest reviews.
I would buy an Explorer ST over any of the others ,,,, but this keeps stickin' in my craw .... the only two Fords I've ever owned (91 Taurus SHO and please excuse this mental slip .. an AEROSTAR XLT with the "big' 4L) started self-destructing around the 60K mark) ... I guess it was good thing my Dad bought me a 72 Vega GT over the 72 Pinto...
What’s punctuation, bro? If your level of education matches your ability to type English no wonder you’re easily duped enough to keep buying these piles
There's some really quick ones out there, the aftermarket tuning scene for these sets them apart from their competitors if that's what you're looking for.
I had often driven fords for years but I bought the new 2020 highlander when it came out. I just hated it for functionality. Oil changes were a HUGE pain. The digital speedometer and analog speedometer didn't even match and could be off by 3 mph. The speed sign reader didn't even work and would almost always display the wrong speed. With 5 kids it was a huge pain with the way they designed certain aspects of the car. Beautiful car and very nice interior, but there were many things that just drove me nuts for daily usability with 5 kids. I actually traded it after a year for a ford and while the ford is a lot less "nice" one thing ford does right is functionality....like the way the seats fold, storage, the door keypad (one of my favorite features and I find it CRAZY that more manufacturers don't copy it). People give ford a hard time but I have really enjoyed my fords over the years for basic functionality as a very active family that spends a lot of time going to the mountains towing, camping, fishing, etc. I've had very good success with reliability over the years too. I suspect most people who like their highlander prioritize form over function, probably don't have kids/never move the seats to access the third row, and don't know what they are missing with the keypad.
I have always liked the Ford Explorer. In the same way that a Toyota Camry feels very 'at ease' with itself - not trying to be cool, or to be anything that it's not - the Explorer has a similar honesty that I find appealing. Plus, RWD, and I actually like that it's a proven fleet vehicle for cops etc. It just offers something a touch different than a Highlander, Grand Cherokee, etc - almost more like a commercial vehicle that makes for an interesting family car choice. Nice job keeping your own recipe alive, Ford.
I appreciate your honesty in this review. Would you say the ST-Line would be a good choice for someone who like the ST looks but does not want to pay the premium just to get the 400HP Ecoboost 6?
My 2022 Explorer ST was the best car I ever owned. Was the fit and finish the best ? No. But on pure fun value (in a grocery getter) for the price, nothing touches it. Ford is just one of those brands that people love to hate.
10:50 But Mark has answered that question, hasn’t he? In the form of actually purchasing a Pilot for himself? Which, by the way, I’m eager for a long term update, please.
@@aspecreviews , I've heard the MDX-S ain't bad but lacks a little drama. Def looks great though! I haven't driven it, but rather have that over a Durango RT probably
@@aspecreviewsm.ua-cam.com/video/y_b_O9aTQEQ/v-deo.html. The ST is much heavier than the MDX, but still beats it. The only real competition to the ST is the Durango.
Have you guys reviewed the 2024 Mazda cx90/70? The issues you complained about in the 2023 model has been fixed by Mazda. The cx 90/70 is the best 3/ 2 row suv in my opinion.
Do the Explorers still do the skip shift in automatic mode where they go 1 3 5 6... Instead of through all the gears? Im like 99% sure my camaro 10 speed never skips gear when up shifting in normal driving applications and i find it quite smooth. It gear hunts rarely and in sport mode its always quite responsive. I do notice in normal mode that every blue moon the car becomes really unresponsive when i jab the throttle while rolling. It almost feels like a turbo car waiting for boost and is kinda scary. But in sport mode never experienced that. Either way seems like Ford still hasnt been able to ace the tuning of the 10 speed
So it's three quarters baked now. Panel fitment is a problem that isn't going away any time soon that's for sure. Too many end up in the service bay for, what you so elegantly call "chicken sh!t problems".
I wish the ST had an upgrade option to the 3.5 high output ecoboost rather than just having the baby v6. Don't get me wrong I think the 2.7 is probably the best engine ford makes, but the 3.5 with 450hp and 510ftlbs would be a really good way to put some hurt to dodge as they're getting forced to retire the durango with the 392 hemi.
So they're made in Chicago. Does it throw a code if you eat hot dogs with ketchup in it?
It ejects you out the vehicle if its senses that!
@@ludah99 I knew there was a reason I'm ashamed of my hometown. #ketchupdogsmatter 🤣
@@BakerStudiosIndy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. Just the stellar build quality that was shown in the video.
Manufactures need to stop integrating the HVAC controls into the screen. Functions like fan control, temperature, vent control, defrost, and A/C on-off need to be dedicated buttons. A dedicated sync on-off button is nice to have too, but not essential.
100% agree. I won't buy a car that makes me use a touch screen and take my eyes off the road to do basic functions
does look significantly improved. you guys were one of the few media outlets to really call them out on the poor effort and looks like you were proven right.
As someone who worked on part of the 2020 Explorer and the 2025 Explorer, your review is actually the one I wanted go see most. OG 2020 was very half baked, glad to see the company got it together for 2025
What part?
The owners are the R&D for Ford…
Ford has NEVER gotten it together. They built crap back in the day; they build crap now; they'll always build crap in the future. This isn't sarcasm or hyperbole, it's the truth.
@@timbrown9731 Pretty much sums up Ford.
@@daytonasayswhat9333 hopefully the part that didn't suck
love how gracefully the grey pool noodle from the dash integrates into the gauge cluster area.
Damn you are right.
It is graceful
**dis-graceful 😂
For some reason i too noticed it immediately
Didn't notice until you pointed it out, and thought you were referring to a threaded screen. Wow it's so obvious.
Those interior panel fitment issues are completely unacceptable on a brand new 60k+ vehicle.
60k? Starts at $39,755
@@BIG_C_2137 ST trim is 60K
Jack only said "essentially" twice in this video. He's come so far.
I gotta change up my Savagegeese drinking game.
I always skip right ahead to the driving Impressions does anyone else do that
@@toyota420xp I'm almost the opposite -- I want to know more about the interior and the running gear (suspension, etc). I just don't get the chance to really "explore the limits" of any vehicle around here, so how a car transitions from understeer to oversteer isn't something I care about day to day.
@@toyota420xp not many do that, especially for this channel
But he said “honestly” even more
All these changes Ford made prove your first review was right.
Once more, but in English, please? What?
Makes sense to me
Sort of, but also the ST is different from the Platinum. I actually own a 2020 ST and two big issues they had with their Plat that I didn't have were 1. Leather quality/wear, mine has 75k miles and zero wear on the leather what so ever, looks brand new. and 2. Suspension/ride issues since the ST has the suspension from the Police Intercepter and is stiffer than the other trim Explorers.
@@youretheChrist keep those standards high, amigo.
@@KentBuchla What standard? This is standard English. The whole sentence is "All these changes prove sth". Ford made some changes, hence the adjective "Ford made" added behind the noun "changes". The fact proven can't be expressed as a single noun, therefore, an objective clause "that your first review was right" is in place of sth after the verb "prove". And as we all know, the conj. "that" in an objective clause can usually be omitted. Therefore, the whole sentence, "All these changes Ford made prove (that) your first review was right." is completely correct.
As the owner of an 18 Fiesta ST, straight line speed gets old after a while. I've owned my car for four years and it still makes me smile when I mob around corners. That never gets old.
I had a FiST for five years and loved every drive in it until the crappy Ford interior quality and lousy dealer network finally got to me. But still, every time I see a big Ford SUV with an ST badge, I cringe.
I had a 16 Focus ST. I never should have sold it.
Horizontal g force 😈😈
That’s why I have more than one (or two) cars. One for functionality, another for handling, another for sporty cruising.
The blur at 5:34 😂
This is the attention to detail that I love with you guys
But why 🤷🏻♂️
@@richardalianiello5676 review embargo maybe
@@richardalianiello5676so they don’t show how much over the limit he’s going
Are you encouraging criminal activity? 😂 Now you're an accessory to these criminals.
@@richardalianiello5676 speeding. videoing yourself breaking speeding limits isn't smart to do these days lol
While the interior does look a lot nicer, the removal of physical A/C controls is a bummer.
Deal breaker honestly
I thought so on my ford escape, but it really was no big deal
Nothing better than a classic family hauler review by Savage Geese. Even if you don't like cars this is always stellar content
i like how you get right into the content without some overly long intro
Bro foreplay is important
After a lot of seat time in these Explorers, I think the Explorer ST is like a hot hatchback in a big SUV.
They drive better than what you’d expect from a big SUV but it’s definitely not like a Mustang.
I personally hate SUV’s but if I was forced to drive one, this would be my choice.
I frking loved my 22 and I now I love my new '25 just absolutely breathtaking vehicle
Fitment and quality needs to be far better for 60k+. If the other manufacturers can do it (and often for less) then Ford can do it. Ford had an ad campaign that said, 'Quality is job one'. I guess theey forgot that mantra.
These are made in Chicago....
Ford charges $100,000 for $20,000 vehicles
It wasn't Job Number One even when that was their slogan.
Kia and Hyundai are still miles better for fit and finish than these
The dash layout actually looks pretty nice
I really appreciate all the effort put into the transitions. I like seeing the different effects and designs used to go between the phases of the video. You guys are professionals!
Thank you! Seriously. Your real reviews are on point, relative, and entertaining. It should be a requirement for everyone in the market for a vehicle to see your videos!
I own a 2023 ST and I watched the review of the 2020 platinum you did a while ago. I completely agree with you on the fairness of the review. As someone who came from a 2014 explorer with the n/a V6, the 23 blows it out of the water in every single area no question. However, the quality especially in the interior Ford needs to do better as well as the transmission shifting. Looks like they improved the interior which is great to see but I’m not too thrilled with the new grill design and the lack of a black wheel option. Overall, I’m happy with my ST and I’m glad I made the upgrade
The shots of the trim pieces and storage cubbies in the final thoughts segment are damning in regard to Ford’s ability to put out a car that is truly well built.
I acquired the first Explorer ST back in early 2020 and I ditched it after 9 months of ownership. They were "relatively cheap" but I couldn't stand the quality and how the Ford service department was handling the issues since they were desperate. Glad to hear it's way better now. After this review, I am thinking if I should consider purchasing it again since I am a big fan of the Explorer. Love the ST.
Its weird to me how the GM and Ford 10 speed is basically the same transmission but Ford seems to really struggle with the tuning. All the GM reviews with this transmission say its super smooth and you cant even feel it shifting but then the Ford versions shift a lot more noticeably. I would like to have some engineering insight on why there's such a big difference in tuning because it just seems odd.
Highly sure one is for performance ; most of “yall” dont wanna feel the shifting; I do I like to feel it downshift and upshift this isnt a luxury amg 53. Or lexxus .
Fords have traditionally shifted more firmly than GMs - less slippage means longer life for the clutch plates.
And I don't mind feeling the shifts. Opinions will vary, of course.
They make some cool cars, it's just such a shame the quality is just not there, and hasn't been there for decades.
Still throwing those 1 bolt rear subframe in there, snap, break, recall...redux.
6:22 love the blur on the speedometer.
They crack me up with that. It's REALLY easy to calculate speed based on gear and rpm...lol
@@rmp5s you can do maths?
@@AlahuSnackbar I mean...calculators are a thing...I can figure it out. lol
Great information here and thanks for sharing. I have a 23" ST which is getting upgraded to a 25" because of the interior improvements that were made. However, I have to disagree with the evaluation about this vehicles performance capabilities and feel like it was down played. This thing is a nemesis to a lot of folks out there who think they have a fast car. No, you are not going to outrun a ZL1 or Hellcat from a 40 roll in a stock ST. But from a dig, you have a chance against the average Joe in a sports car if they aren't on their game. I consider that pretty damn fast for a family truckster. Throw a tune at one of these things and you are gonna be hard to beat regardless!! Just saying this is a VERY capable vehicle in terms of performance.
New whp record for the Explorer ST just got set this weekend. 839 whp from the 3.0L Ecoboost!
I can't get over the plastic oil pan, disaster waiting to happen
First thing that caught my eye as well.
Agreed. Hard pass
Put 50k miles on a mustang with a plastic oil pan and never had an issue. You have to be mindful but in normal driving it’s a non issue.
Car enthusiasts find the most random things to get angry about lol
@@future62agreed. Ford, GM, BMW, VW group, Land Rover, and Toyota ALL have cars that use plastic/composite oil pans. Many have done so for years.
I used to work with someone who leased Fords all the time. He likes Fords and even he said you don't buy them because the quality is not there. He showed me his Explorer right before he gave it back. I remember, at the two year mark, the ac stopped working, check engine light was on, and one of the doors was somehow rubbing on the frame to the point the paint was gone.
Ford has always had the worst of paint jobs. Always and forever.
My family has had this era ford for 10 years one has 140k the other has 310k no real issues. One leaks some oil at 300k and the turbos had to be replaced at 300k and one tpms sensor I swear people go 15k on oil changes and drive cars like it's a rental bmw.
Fun on the road segment. Jack hanging onto the grab handle but giggling as Mark tries hard to break the rear free in a turn. Blur! - nice touch.
Agree, AA looks like an upgrade to get functions and re-gain vent and control space. The interior quality fails…. Yikes. A BIG show-stopper in a near-new vehicle. Quality is job # what? Esp in a >$60K vehicle. There are a lot of choices at that price.
Thank you guys so much for the review of the 2025 explorer! I seriously have been waiting for you guys specifically to check this one out. You were pretty blunt with the other explorer review, which I truly truly appreciate. Its a lot of money to spend on a vehicle and I love hearing the honesty and detailed review. I am honestly worried about kia and hyundai for reliability, cx90 had some issues and felt too small for a 6ft dude. So I was left with Pilot, Highlander, and Explorer. My brain says get pilot or highlander, but I seriously felt like a bit of my soul died as I did the test drives, it felt like I aged another 15 years instantly....I think you said it best...i feel like I'm in a penalty box. I do like the look of the explorer, feels sporty and aggressive and I like the drive, but I needed to know if I should pass or if its worth consideration. So thanks again, great notes and call outs. 1st new car so more thinking to do, but I am really digging the Explorer
I'd pick an Acura MDX or even a Dodge Durango over this. ANY Durango. Most Dodge dealers have impressive deals. They're desperate to sell vehicles.
At least with my experience with Fords, me and my family have owned several, it does seem that Ford's transmissions have been weaker than everyone else's with exception of an F-150 we owned. I would recommend changing transmission fluid every 40-45K miles to prevent further issues. I have a friend that has several Ford's and a Lincoln. They never changed the transmission fluid and they have had transmission problems a lot. I know all vehicles need to be serviced, but Ford's need that extra touch of care and they will be good vehicles. I would also say as far as Ecoboost engines go, yes there were bad years, mainly with the 4-cylinders, but everyone change your engine oil full-synthetic every 5K miles. I have a 2020 Ford Fusion with the 2nd Gen 2.0 Ecoboost engine and I have been doing this consistently and I am over 100K miles without any issues!
I work in a ford dealer service department and I agree with everything you said
I worked for a rental company and the only transmission we ever had go out while I was there was the 10 speed f-150. My friend has a Lincoln with the 2.0T and 6 speed and he is on his 3rd or 4th transmission in under 100,000 mi
I had a 2010 Ford Flex Limited with 3.5L ecoboost and AWD. The transmission failed at 60k miles, and again around 100k miles. The engine never had any issues.
The trannies on the Fusions are known to fall at 50-60k miles. Ford knows about it
@@barrygoldwasser5449 that is not a common failure point.
This is an awesome platform for the money. The 2020 Explorer ST is probably the best year, this was right before Covid and the supply chain issue that hurt the 2021 years and above. But with a simple tune, and E50, these things are running mid 11 second quarter miles. Sub four second to 60, reliability.
I have a 2020 Explorer ST, with a touch over 30,000 miles on it. I must be one of the few that hasn't experienced real issues with my truck, and it's been tuned since I got it. I love it, and it damn near beats everything thrown at it. I like the 2025, but I can't see myself trading in mine just for some tech upgrades.
I'm in the same boat.. I did drive the new one recently and I'm trading mine in.. The interior and electronics are way better.. Seats feel better and the transmission is far superior in the new one..
I just want to know if they fixed the ecoboost. Interior is something important but misaligned trim wont leave me stranded or out 10k after the short 5 year warranty.
They have redesigned all 4 banger EcoBoost with a new engine called MPC. The most important thing they did was give them dual injection. All I can say is I know the new 2.0 is in the 23 Escapes and the new 2.3 is in the 24 Mustangs and by the video the 25 Explorer has the new 2.3 too, because they said it was dual injection. Don't know if that means anything to you but seems Ford hasn't really market that too much.
A guy I know just had his ecoboost blow up at 66k miles on his Fusion. Barely outside of the power train warranty. Gotta love it.
@@Chieftain357 dual injection is better for the valves and carbon buildup. They had problems with the heads warping too, required whole new engines because of coolant getting in the cylinders. Supposedly that's better too, but it takes years to find this stuff out.
We will know how good the 2024 Ecoboost is in 2030.
it seems the ford transmissions have had this jerk, the slam since they introduced the 6F50 even in the 2009/10 mks and taurus. and these were 6 gears.
in fact, many times my trans had to be updated and fixed to address the slamming into gears, both up n down.
Ford's have been slamming into gear way longer than 2009.
i agree, there are moments it shifts super nice and smooth and other times it's too rough, what bothers me most on 6r trans in v6 F150s is extremely slow downshift, like it goes in choke then suddenly kicks late and hard to point i have to abandon the idea of passing... i started using dam gear limiter to down shift ahead sometimes
Glad to see Ford trying to improve somewhat. Seems like they and Chevy are trying to mostly update interior and screens basically to be more modern. Just a shame that you can’t trust their reliability as you can see on the little things let along the big things. Also, there was a time where at least you got these things much cheaper than other brands - not any more. I would rather have a cheaper reliable well made car with less modern touches as nice as they are.
They should do a NA version of the 2.3 four. Eliminate as many potential failure points as possible. Make it the only option for the Police Interceptor. You can't outrun a radio.
Happy to see the updates. Id still take a Jeep Grand Cherokee L for a 3 row. ZF Trans and a super reliable 3.6L v6. Cons being the usual Stelantis issues, but still the more practical American built choice IMHO.
Chose the Honda Pilot Trailsport instead. Better interior, higher quality, V6 naturally aspirated, great AWD system… way better re-sale.
Honda so much better and will be worth so much more in the future
Would’ve bought the Pilot TS too but unfortunately, it’s way beyond my budget. Insurance is high too on the Pilot here in SK, Canada. Went with the Pathfinder Platinum instead - naturally-aspirated V6 as well, luxury-level interior design and built quality, 9-speed AT, 50”-wide cargo space, etc.
Or the next generation Toyota 4Runner.
@@nostradamus7648 four cylinder problems
@@stanmarcusgtv
I'm confident in Toyota's ability to fix that, or get the reliable last generation.
I have an Aviator and have driven a bunch of the luxury 3 rows. Dynamically this platform is on the level of something like an X5 IMO. With the 3.0TT and for what it is it's legit fun to drive. I had a soulless Sienna and hated it. Even for a school bus getting something that can make you smile is worth it.
The difference being that Sienna will outlive cockroaches and this and any Ferd are sent to the crusher by 100,000 on the odometer. Sienna FTW
@@colin-nekritz ironically my Sienna got totaled with about 30k miles. Not hard to find 6th gen Exploders closing in on 200k miles though and I don't drive a ton of miles anyway. Not having to drive something boring FTW
Pheww… they finally mentioned Highlander.. 😂
A well rounded review as always. Thanks J & M for all the efforts. Cheers!
Ford appears to have stepped up its game with the Explore ST. Y'all had some pretty good laughs during the driving segment.
This is an interesting proposition.
It can be driven hard or be particularly satisfying during casual driving, when the 10-speed will jerk you off.
Well Done. Thank you.
I spend 8-12hrs w the Interceptor (3.0L turbo) version….it’s a nice car.
For being a big car, it drives quite nice. Serves us well for duty. We’ve gotten stuck with a few of the 3.3 NA’s and they SUCK. Still drive decent….but SLOW.
If you care about “go” you *need* the ST
I’m just here to help the algorithm.
Showing support for the most honest & informative car review channel. Ford always seems to cheap out on some critical area that keeps me away from their products
I have an HD350 Transit work van. It weighs about 9,000lbs and has the 10spd RWD with dully’s. It’s really low compared to a truck or SUV. The twin turbo V6 is super torquey. But the coolest thing is the traction control mapping. Left foot breaking works really well. It’s obviously not a sports car, but it surprisingly well controlled and communicative. In my 30mi radius most the roads are 45mph speed limited. If you don’t go 45-50mph you will hit every single red light. Most of the cars are Outbacks, Priuses, and Toyota Highlander CVT s**tboxes, driven by NPC’s going 30mph at all times. It’s a sad state of affairs that driving my cargo van at the speed limit feels like I’m tearing through traffic like a car chase is some 70’s movie. But thank god I can. If I had to be stuck behind all these bozos hitting every red light it would easily add an hour to my work day. I greatly appreciate that ford seems to make all their vehicles at minimum competent and brisk. My wife leased a plug in hybrid 7 seater and it literally felt like driving a VW bus.
They need to change the dials and the window switches. They are the same as my 2017 fusion titanium.
No family here. After I totaled my first Exp ST, I ended up with another because nothing else in the market provides the utility/performance for the price. An intercooler, exhaust and E50 tune brings these to the mid-high 11’s in the quarter mile and gets to 60 in the mid 3s. I don’t use the third row seating, it’s always down and I use that area as a small truck bed. Probably would buy a Ranger Raptor today, but that just came out. Love these things, but with all the issues I wish there was something else in the market that had the utility and performance ford is offering in this segment. I think the aftermarket carries my decision to buy again
Honestly if you get a new VW Cross Sport and tune it you will see similar results. But there isn't much competing with the ST. SQ5 Audi maybe
I would ask why in the hell you would tune one of these? They’re already unreliable so you’re only making that worse. Also… it’s a freaking SUV lol. Who cares if it does a quarter mile in the 11s.
@@brucesuitt993 really fun and no room at the house for a Mustang
I always wonder why people put the tune stuff here. Obviously, you can tune any car, and it increases the performance by pretty much the same percentage regardless of car.
I'm a little skeptical you're getting 11.x sec 1/4 mile in a 3 row Explorer with a 3.0 liter engine when a C8 Corvette is listed as 12.08 seconds.
My wife had a 2020 ST. Ended up being bought back from ford in less than a year. Spent 3 months in the shop total.
In a year of ownership:
2 broken exhaust manifolds
1 leaking down pipe
Cam phasers went bad while in for. Exhaust leak and engine had to be torn out
Delaminating window switches
Door windows leaking and allowing air and noise in
Damn!
O lord
Its Ford theyre like chrysler dodge garbage cars
UAW at its finest
Fix Or Repair Daily...
"I'm not like the other SUVs" as it sits in the Starbucks drive through line waiting for a pumpkin spice latte
Why you so mad dude…if you have kids but want to be able to have some fun driving while they’re not in the car, this is a great option…
@@TheStrider420My parents always did it with me in the car. Of course, I was an only child until I was 13 so I spent quite a but of time in the back of coupes.
@@TheStrider420Sounds like a wagon fits your criteria even more. Better driving dynamics, less weight and better looks with just as much practicality.
@@vr6gls okay but some ppl like an elevated drivers view with 3 row capability. I don’t get the constant need to tell others what they should or shouldn’t like in the car community. It’s super cringe
@@TheStrider420 Sitting up high does nothing when everyone else is driving tall vehicles. That’s the silliest argument for SUV’s. I’m tired of all other vehicle types being killed off, in favor of boring and expensive SUV’s. Especially when 80% of SUV buyers don’t haul or tow anything.
Sorry, I have little sympathy in regards to your sentiment. We have lost some great sedans, hatchbacks, wagons and coupes in America because most Americans are lazy and image conscious. I blame the majority of SUV drivers for why the car market sucks now. Fun cars are disappearing. Cheap cars are almost nonexistent and dealer lots are full of overpriced SUV’s that all look the same.
Lots of negative comments. Ford did a great job with this refresh. Great technology, fun to drive, comfortable, and versatile. I just don’t understand why someone would choose a Kia or Hyundai that is know as a throw away car worthless after 100k miles. Honda or Toyota for reliability for sure but not fun to drive.
My wife and I LOVED the 2020 ST for the driving experience. We drove all the luxury brands so called performance models at the $60k range and were terribly disappointed until we got to throughly abuse an ST. All of the other brands were weak and boring compared to the STs performance and handling.
Poor build quality, especially on interior parts - that’s what turned me off with Ford products. I’ve experienced it on the Edge, Explorer, & Expedition 2014-2021. It seems after all these years, they’re still working on fixing those issues. I hope they will soon.
You would think that these guys would have figured out how to make a car by now.
9/1/2024:
"Ford Motor Co. will recall 90,736 vehicles because engine intake valves in the vehicles may break while driving, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Saturday.
The recall is of certain 2021-2022 Bronco, F-150, Edge, Explorer, Lincoln Nautilus, and Lincoln Aviator vehicles equipped with either a 2.7L or 3.0L Nano EcoBoost engine, the NHTSA said."
Enter Toyota: Recalls 100K Toyota and Lexuses in 2024 to replace the engine! after ripping off people in the name of reliability!
Atleast Ford sells on performance.
Well, can't really call out Ford without calling out Toyota--which is planning to replace the engines in the Tundra (I think the Landcruiser too? Could be wrong on that one). At least in both cases, they're owning up to it and offering to make it right.
@@lego4virgocan’t say Toyota is owning up to mistakes given the situation with the GR Corolla.
@lego4virgo multiple Ford models and multiple engines, new engine on new model year for Toyota - not good in either case but hasn't Ford had the most recalls of any mfg in 2024?
I've owned Nissan products since 1992 and never have experienced a single recall.
That dash piece behind the infotainment system looks like a gym back roller. Kick panels and trim pieces coming off in a $60 effing thousand dollar vehicle is a big deal to me. I manage a fleet that consists of a couple dozen explorers. Thank god for the general public they don't have to suffer with the 3.3 v-6 which is, the WORST powertrain/transmission combination since the Pinto. And the 10 speed is just as bad in the 1 Hybrid we have---absolute garbage. They've had major recalls each of the last 2 years, and now, all the 3.3's are getting recalled starting in the first quarter of 2025 due to engine fire risks.
There are also major production issues with all Explorers. It's so bad that many large agencies that have used Explorers for years are having to switch to F-150's. Ford simply doesn't care about producing a quality Explorer any more and, like you guys mention at the end, the competition kicks its ass all over this segment.
Good job of avoiding ill placed and unnecessary four letter words. It must've hurt so bad to hand Ford a little credit. I'll cheer up if and when you do. Still elated 2020 XLT owner.
Still not a fan of how absolutely anything mechanical repair-wise is overly complex and puzzled together. I’d only own one for as long as I’ve got a complete warranty as 10+ hours to repair an oil pan leak is ridiculous
Never have had issues with my f150 with the 2.7. Have 217k miles on it. Nothing complex about them.
@@ZACH_95_ F150 is much different, despite the same engine. The 4wd system on the Explorer due to lack of space runs through a tunnel in the oil pan, which was prone to cracking if the drivetrain bushings got worn. And because of how tightly the front diff is packed in, you have to remove the transfer case to remove the front driveshaft, and the engine mounts to remove the diff. It’s a mess. I would rather work on whatever the worst job to do on a 2.7l F150 for the rest of my days than work on anything with the new Explorer under flat rate terms
Competitive option? Durango RT or SRT. What about the rear differential bushing issue that's plagued the Explorer?
I've had two Fords (popular models) in my lifetime, and after 2-3 years of ownership for each, I later swore - never again. I'm glad that Ford has seen the relevance of making the Explorer's interior more attractive, and I agree that it does look much better. I know this is one of the few in its class that is a traditional RWD model, but none of these improvements influence me to buy one. The engineering quality of Explorers has just been subpar over the years. Ford is doing something right - they sell a ton of these, as they sell F-150s and other models. To their point though towards the end of the video, the MDX's/Pilots/Tellurides/Palisades (not in any order) of the world are more attractive for this market. Until Ford makes 'Quality Job 1' again - for real - I'm not interested in any Ford.
I sat in one the other day and decided to drive it. Shit isn’t much different than the 2023 I own. I was fully prepared to “upgrade” but it is not worth it.
It looks better. If you’re really prepared to upgrade price shouldn’t be much of an issue. 65k is not a shocking amount of money.
I love you guys! The midwestern, flat ass Illinois suburb farmland driving is good - it's a flat grid!!!!
13:54 - That is the Ford-est thing ever.
My wife had to have some recall work done on her Bronco Sport. Was going to take a couple days. Dealer gave us a brand new Explorer. It was nice. Didn’t blow me away, but luxury SUVs aren’t my bag…baby.
I still dont know why not many manufacturers (when) use an aluminum oil pan with cooling fins which I'm sure would help cool that oil at the bottom of the oil pan and also adding in strength incase of a strike like on a car which I've seen happen quiet a bit crazy enough.
6:40 It's a RWD platform 🤯. Hey that's pretty cool
Being a fleet favorite vehicle also has a positive. Sure it's less special but aftermarket and dealer infrastructure support Will be massive. This in turn helps longevity costs. Something like a kia or heaven bless Nissan suffers from this (unless it's a frontier)
The plastic oil pan on the transmission doesn't inspire confidence. The least they could do is put a plate over it or something.
You’re a complete fool, manufactures have been using plastic pans for like a decade now and it’s a non issue.
Good engine, and promising overall direction for the brand, but overall still not even close to the value and premium feeling you get from a CX-90, or even a Genesis GV80 (if RWD is a must). Honestly for 90% of people, an Acura MDX is going to feel like a spaceship compared to this even down 50 hp.
" you're not driving this 3rd row like we just did " TF I ain't
I kind of feel bad for Ford and GM: they’ve lost so many buyers like me due to quality and dealership experience, and they’ll never get us back. Chrysler, of course is toast.
Is it still a $2400 water pump?
If you talking about the 3.5/3.7 different engine with an even higher repair cost when the twin turbos go out probably double with labor and tax. I'd take one of those over this at least those fix it and it'll run 3-500k with care.
😂
Nah, they upgraded to a 3k water pump
@@Flydevice1 inflation😂
The 3.0L is not the same engine as the 3.5/3.7. Water pump is not the same
Aluminum rear lower control arms? Nice!
Gives the tow truck something nice and sturdy to hook up to.
I put my wife in a '23 ST, coming from a '19 MDX, based off your original review I went in wanting to not like it and get the Aviator instead. But I ended up with an 8k mile CPO car at $48k, very good deal and sidelines most of the gripes.
It is definitely not for everyone, but I love the vehicle based off a couple things. First, the performance drivetrain is something people will actually give a shit about vs the commodity engine. So even if ford fails, the aftermarket will pick up the slack.
Second, the other penalty box suvs have a nasty habit of all the inputs being behind a layer of "nerf". The MDX was really bad about this, delay in throttle vs input and traction control pulling throttle (despite a very advanced awd system), made the car semi-dangerous in merging maneuvers. The ST, due to the "sportiness", has all of these habits turned down slightly and feels much more natural.
I don't know how this would factor into a consumer review, but since this is the new cop car, the handling and agility improvements really are more than a gimmick. I know they mostly idle, but keeping LEOs safe at speed is a good thing for them and everyone else around.
Curious about stability control, and any middle ground between overbearing nanny mode tuned by Firestone lawyers and fuse pulled druft mode.
Well, that’s an endorsement!! 😆 Basically, it doesn’t “suck” as much as before and there are a bunch of better alternatives BUT this is OK! Thank you guys for your usual honest reviews.
This is so much better! I always loved the Ford Explorer until this generation. Every time I drive one I walk away shocked by how bad it is.
This may be more fun and a little bigger, but no way I’m giving up our 22 MDX for this. They quality delta is pretty big…
I would buy an Explorer ST over any of the others ,,,, but this keeps stickin' in my craw .... the only two Fords I've ever owned (91 Taurus SHO and please excuse this mental slip .. an AEROSTAR XLT with the "big' 4L) started self-destructing around the 60K mark) ... I guess it was good thing my Dad bought me a 72 Vega GT over the 72 Pinto...
What’s punctuation, bro? If your level of education matches your ability to type English no wonder you’re easily duped enough to keep buying these piles
There's some really quick ones out there, the aftermarket tuning scene for these sets them apart from their competitors if that's what you're looking for.
I had often driven fords for years but I bought the new 2020 highlander when it came out. I just hated it for functionality. Oil changes were a HUGE pain. The digital speedometer and analog speedometer didn't even match and could be off by 3 mph. The speed sign reader didn't even work and would almost always display the wrong speed. With 5 kids it was a huge pain with the way they designed certain aspects of the car. Beautiful car and very nice interior, but there were many things that just drove me nuts for daily usability with 5 kids. I actually traded it after a year for a ford and while the ford is a lot less "nice" one thing ford does right is functionality....like the way the seats fold, storage, the door keypad (one of my favorite features and I find it CRAZY that more manufacturers don't copy it). People give ford a hard time but I have really enjoyed my fords over the years for basic functionality as a very active family that spends a lot of time going to the mountains towing, camping, fishing, etc. I've had very good success with reliability over the years too. I suspect most people who like their highlander prioritize form over function, probably don't have kids/never move the seats to access the third row, and don't know what they are missing with the keypad.
I love the blur out of the speeds. 😂
I have always liked the Ford Explorer. In the same way that a Toyota Camry feels very 'at ease' with itself - not trying to be cool, or to be anything that it's not - the Explorer has a similar honesty that I find appealing. Plus, RWD, and I actually like that it's a proven fleet vehicle for cops etc. It just offers something a touch different than a Highlander, Grand Cherokee, etc - almost more like a commercial vehicle that makes for an interesting family car choice. Nice job keeping your own recipe alive, Ford.
I appreciate your honesty in this review. Would you say the ST-Line would be a good choice for someone who like the ST looks but does not want to pay the premium just to get the 400HP Ecoboost 6?
My 2022 Explorer ST was the best car I ever owned. Was the fit and finish the best ? No. But on pure fun value (in a grocery getter) for the price, nothing touches it. Ford is just one of those brands that people love to hate.
10:50 But Mark has answered that question, hasn’t he?
In the form of actually purchasing a Pilot for himself?
Which, by the way, I’m eager for a long term update, please.
I'm curious if you're going to look at the Acadia/Traverse for 3 row haulers.
Interior gives me 2000s vibes with a modern screen
Why the hell would you buy the performance version and not use premium?
Save gas maybe¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I found the Explorer seats to be incredibly shallow - providing inadequate thigh support.
The only fun 3 row suv that can compete that I can think of are the Durango RT and a pre-owned Audi SQ7
MDX-S?
@@aspecreviews , I've heard the MDX-S ain't bad but lacks a little drama. Def looks great though! I haven't driven it, but rather have that over a Durango RT probably
@@aspecreviewsm.ua-cam.com/video/y_b_O9aTQEQ/v-deo.html. The ST is much heavier than the MDX, but still beats it. The only real competition to the ST is the Durango.
Colter Wall? Hell yeah. Good stuff right there
Have you guys reviewed the 2024 Mazda cx90/70? The issues you complained about in the 2023 model has been fixed by Mazda. The cx 90/70 is the best 3/ 2 row suv in my opinion.
You can get a Dodge Durango with the V8 for 50k. This isn't worth it when you can get that.
Looks like you're both having fun. Nothing like it for the price.
Do the Explorers still do the skip shift in automatic mode where they go 1 3 5 6... Instead of through all the gears? Im like 99% sure my camaro 10 speed never skips gear when up shifting in normal driving applications and i find it quite smooth. It gear hunts rarely and in sport mode its always quite responsive. I do notice in normal mode that every blue moon the car becomes really unresponsive when i jab the throttle while rolling. It almost feels like a turbo car waiting for boost and is kinda scary. But in sport mode never experienced that. Either way seems like Ford still hasnt been able to ace the tuning of the 10 speed
not until they fix the fit and finish in the interior space
So it's three quarters baked now. Panel fitment is a problem that isn't going away any time soon that's for sure. Too many end up in the service bay for, what you so elegantly call "chicken sh!t problems".
I wish the ST had an upgrade option to the 3.5 high output ecoboost rather than just having the baby v6. Don't get me wrong I think the 2.7 is probably the best engine ford makes, but the 3.5 with 450hp and 510ftlbs would be a really good way to put some hurt to dodge as they're getting forced to retire the durango with the 392 hemi.
You guys had a little too much fun with this