3M Versaflo TR600/800 Review (for painting)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Today On Overspray, we review the 3m versaflo, papr system, the tr600.
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Great review bro!!🤘🏿💯✊🏿
Nice Poster ! ;-)
Thanks! Excellent, clear and substantive overview.
I've been doing some research on a clean air system this was a helpful video. thanks brother!
No problem, I think a versaflo would do great for you , they have dropped down on price significantly recently as well. Loving the videos you are putting out , all good stuff brother
Man bro I want and need this system!!!! Great video bro!
Thanks bro, there is a few on eBay right for around 600 bucks I would check it out
Great video brother!
Just bought the tr-800psk, been excited about growing my beard back out.
Can’t imagine myself with out a beard, I’d probably look 12 with out it
@@Mechaniclyfe im the same way. My wife has been on me about growing it back out also so she must think the same 😂
I have painted In factories for many years with crap for respirators. I now have COPD. I would recommend any cost paid for a good air system over lung problems. Good video thanks for sharing.
Wich one is that ona
@@tenochcuriel5508 COPD is short for Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, lol
@@tenochcuriel5508 it’s this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_obstructive_pulmonary_disease
Great review bro!! I will add that they make a backpack 🎒 setup for the versaflo if you do not like the fanny pack style. And thanks for the support bro!!✊🏿💯🤘🏿
Oh that’s right forgot about the back pack, no worries bro hope it helps your channel!
such a great review. these detailed rundown videos are the best of youtube. thank you for the insight. It was also really useful how you emphasized that solvent based product will go through the lesser filter because my situation is occupationally applying Loba solvent based highly toxic, horrible wood stain to entire house floors that are basically confined spaces without the option for steady ventilation. I still can't find enough information about the self-contained breathing apparatus systems that supply you fresh O2 from a canister tank on your back. They say that they are only necessary for IDLH immediately dangerous to life and health environments, but i disagree because i want a system that i can breath fresh O2 from without having to worry about or anticipate the breakthrough of the fumes through the filters. The stain and also to a lesser, but still urgent degree, the oil based wood urethane from poloplaz. the stuff is so horribly toxic and i am looking for a solution. but even 3M is extremely ambiguous about which cartridges filter what. The stain safety data sheet says the two bad ingredients are "Dipropylenglykolmonomethylether" and ethanol or 'hydroxyl', and despite how those allegedly fall under volatile organic compounds, there is no indication of which filter is most specifically tailored for those harsh chemicals, because I only work with a specific two harsh finishes. one of them a stain and the other the oil based urethane.
Thanks for adding to my understanding of all this though! you're awesome.
What about the changing of the battery
Thanks for the video.. I am currently researching clean air respirator options for the health/safety aspect.
I had a couple questions if you don't mind..
* Is there any problem wearing prescription eyeglasses in wearing the hood?
* How many paint jobs do you think you perform before you would need to change the filter?
* How much is the battery, should you need to replace it?
Thanks...
Sure here’s my experience with using this respirator ,
* glasses are not an issue at all plenty of room and many painters actually wear glasses with this helmet
* I would say it could last several months depending how much you spray and if you have a booth or garage painting like myself, less life without a booth
* battery can get pricey I’ve seen some go for a couple hundred bucks on some cases but as of yet I have the standard battery and it lasts a long time
Thanks so much for the review! Do you have an estimate of how many hours you can go until you have to change the filter when spraying?
Not really it depends on how severe the environment is that should be on their site
Hey awesome video! I am planning on buying this kit, I just have one question. Can I use this for commercial/residential painting walls and ceiling’s? Thank you
Absolutely
Hi what filters and accessories would you recommend for painting cars because I’m not quite sure which filter I need
I mentioned the filters you would need for painting in the video
Hello. Thank you for uploading this useful video. Question to you about filter and cartridge. How often
do you change filter plus cartridge
(tr 6510n)? Do you just change filter when the red alarm goes on?
Yes filter needs to be changed when red light flashes , I tend to use my filters as much as possible , usually change them (depending on use) every couple months of painting and body work/ grinding
@@Mechaniclyfe how about cartridge (tr 6510n)? Do they last long like 3 month at least? My co worker have this respirator but he uses only for sanding.
Depends on its usage , you can use that filter for painting as well I believe just not sure how long it would last painting on a daily basis
Would it work for spray foam insulation? With air supplied line outside? Great video
I’m not too sure I know they make an air fed system too that can work with a compressor this one is a different design to that.
Your video about this product made me think more into keeping healthy ive been using 3m respirators for about 5 years daily paiting it started to cause irritation where the mask seats .just got a tr800 really looking forward to not have that facemask anymore and also protect my eyes as well
Absolutely I’ve been in the same boat, for little jobs I’ll still use my half mask, but man the level of protection a papr offer is unsurpassed! It’s night and day difference in protection , the tr600/tr800 is a great kit!
@@Mechaniclyfe ill be using it first thing monday morning really looking into it. Thanks for making that video and helping me find one bro!
No worries bro, how much did you end up getting your kit for?
@@Mechaniclyfe i was going to get the one you linked me to for $650 I believe but right the next day when I was about to order ive seen. A tr800 painters kit. It was posted for $1300 but I was able to negotiate it for $1000
Oh dang ! That’s a come up! The tr800 is the one you ultimately want! It’s “intrinsically safe” not much different from the tr600 but might be required for some that paint in a professional shop, I’m glad you got a good deal on it !
Hi, I’m looking now a year after this video was released and in all marketing it says to use a TR-800 because it’s “intrinsically safe”, or will not ignite flammable vapor with its electronics.
Are we sure the TR-600 can be safely used for painting? None of the official marketing suggests that it can.
Thanks!
Matt
Tr800 is required for being “intrinsically safe “ .
However I’ve been using mine (tr600) for over a year and have had no issues . But for legality issues for a body shop go with the tr800
@Overspray Care to share any deals you might be aware of on the TR-600 model. I was looking to purchase one of these TR600 kits for non professional in home garage car painting. I had originally looked at the Hobby models that provide fresh air from a compressor pushing air from outside the work area. I'm sure you are familiar with those. My biggest concern is safeguarding myself against any negative health effects from spraying 2 stage paint containing Isocyanates. I was feeling pretty good about this TR600 model since it was self contained and you didn't have to drag another air hose around with you. My understanding initially after watching your video here was that this model would be perfect for that.. However, after reading a few of your other comments you were recommending for this type of application in painting 2k paints that it would be best going with a system that pushed fresh air either via filter air from compressor or a system like the Hobby system where you have an external air device pushing air to your your respirator via fresh air hose. Can you please clarify this.
Again I was feeling pretty good about this model since it was cordless, but now am a bit confused.
If this device will be suitable for filtering ISOCYANATES from spraying 2k paints then here is a breakdown of cost that I found from Amazon currently.
The total Cost for the TR-600 and accessories was $1320.04
COST BREAKDOWN (Amazon)
TR-600-ECK KIT PAPR Respirator VERSAFLO - $1216.54
www.amazon.com/Respirator-TR-600-ECK-Disposable-Pharmaceutical-Manufacturing/dp/B00WVNRZB6?th=1
TR-6510N Hepa Organic Vapor Cartridge - 68.39 Ea
www.amazon.com/3M-Versaflo-TR-6510N-HEPA-Cartridge/dp/B00TYP015Q/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1TJLSVWJUVVPW&keywords=TR-6510N&qid=1641002532&sprefix=tr-6510n+%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-5
TR-6510N Organic Vapor Filter Cover- $23.24
www.amazon.com/Filter-Cover-TR-6500FC-TR-6500-Cartridges/dp/B00Q7FRBLI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2MMCHJXT6LZQH&keywords=TR-6500FC&qid=1641067032&sprefix=tr-6500fc%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1
S-920L Peel Off Visor Cover (Qty 7) - $11.87
www.amazon.com/Versaflo-Peel-Off-Visor-S-920L-Medium/dp/B00TKB7RIS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9O60AVM0NPJF&keywords=S-920L&qid=1641067190&sprefix=s-920l%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-1
Sure so ideally a seperate air source is the best option for safety of isocyanates , although this 3m kit will also work well in well ventilated areas or spray booths it doesn’t necessarily protect you 100% from isocyanates in a closed, incapsulated environment. I chose this because I dont have the option of a separate air fed system , so in my case this was the best option.
Further more when I spray in the garage I make sure I have my extraction fan on high and only stay long enough in the garage to spray the parts that are needed to be painted and then I leave once the application process is done ✅.
I try to use the best filter they offer for maximum protection but again it’s not 100%
@@Mechaniclyfe Thank you for the clarification on this.. This makes total sense. Appreciate your comments.
does the stock cover fit over the bigger filter? or do you use it without the cover?
The stock cover will not fit the thicker filters they sell another one but I use it with out the cover on it works fine
Thanks! and thanks for the detailed video.
Slick kit but what about the filter if your drawing air from the same room if would be nice to know more about the filter versaflo is easy to use
They have different filters for different needs , just depends on the filter, although it’s best to use outside air or filtered compressor air into the air fed kit , my circumstance is a bit unique so this is what worked best for my need
which filter number for the 3M versaflo TR-300+ for fiberglass resin
I’m not too sure about what filter for the tr300, not sure if they even offer one
The only problem I got is price you had a great deal but I would like to know how money hours before you change filter ? still saving got a long way to go dont know if I can get a way with an air fed attached to compressor I have a 200 litre compressor 18 cfm dont know if I got enough air
Filter really depends on usage , and chemicals being filtered , some can last up to six months
The compresser needs to be out side and filtered
Hi, are you using this with 1k solvents only or also with 2k containing isocyanides? Thanks
Both 1k and 2k , an air fed would be best as it contains fresh filtered air from an outside source but due to space and lack of compressor volume this is the best for my circumstance, as far as filtering isocyanides, you must change the filter regularly , once the filter is saturated it no long effectively works. It’s best to use this in conjunction with a proper ventilated area such as a spraybooth or outside.
@@Mechaniclyfe I mainly do wheels and small jobs in the garage so very similar to you with regards to space and compressor volume. I do have a mini booth/extractor so hoping one of these would help. Out of interest how often do you change the filters? Also do you find the mask hot or sweaty to wear?
Thanks 👍
Have you had any problems with the batteries yet? I got 3x tr300’s all not working properly. Spewing
No I have not , but check the date on the batteries to see how old they are and also , they might be spewing due to overcharging
Your charger might be over charging them ?!
What is holding me off is the expensive filters. How long is the big filter going to last?
Depends on use , mine lasts for months , but the filters aren’t cheap but offer some of the best protection in comparison to half masks 😷 filters
Will the T300 protect from latex paint over spray?
That I’m not sure , but the t300 is not recommended for painting so I would lean towards a no on that one
can I use this system for drywall dust?
Yeah you could if you wanted too
Nice video :)
I own the 3M Versaflo 315+ and I have a question if it's not too much trouble.
Will I be able to use the 315+ for spray painting, and are you aware if my system has a filters available for safe use spray whilst spraying?
Thanks :)
I don’t think the 300 series is compatible for painting, because the filters for painting are large, also the air pumps on the 300 series vs 600/800 are too small and do not have the same volume or air flow
@@Mechaniclyfe Thanks for the response, I appreciate the help.
I found these filters, are you sure they wouldn't be compatible? Otherwise I'll be forking out some cash, nightmare!
www.screwfix.com/p/3m-versaflo-tr-3822e-nuisance-acid-gas-filter-p3/2538h
Thanks for your time:)
Hi , I have had a tr300 ( same pump as 315+ ) for years , unfortunately the filters for the 300 are not interchangeable with the 600 & they ONLY come rated for dust & nuisance vapours , so nothing for specific gases or solvents . I am upgrading to the tr600 because of this , also the airflow on a 300 with new filter is fixed at 190 litres minute , whereas the 600 is adjustable 3 speeds LOW 185 litres a minute , medium 205 & high 225 , hope this helps.
Thanks for the additional info
Would this be good for powder coating ?
I don’t see why bot
I am researching those kits and the Adflo is cheaper than the Tr-600. Have you considered it?
Adflo are for welding and don’t have the same types of filters to protect you from paint fumes or toxins
@@Mechaniclyfe it does have the A1B1E1 filter which according to them is for “organic, inorganic and acid gases and vapours”. Do you think that one won't work for paint? (Thanks for the video btw!)
Interesting I’m not too familiar , I just know it’s their welding helmet , just as long as it protects you from isocyanates
Is there mutch difference between that TR600 AND THE TR 300
Tr600 is far superior than the tr300 from filters to helmets to motor strength and battery
Does the helmet flip up allowing you to keep it on your head
Yes sir
Thanks I seen that later in the video. How about the seal ? Do you smell any paint or fumes. I am a finisher in a cabinet shop. Time for an upgrade from the regular face respirator
The constant cup against my nose sucks. Also I heard that you get paint and fume absorption through your eyes as well. I spray two part catylized conversion varnish every day. It's no joke. $ 1800.00 is well worth it. I do have a spray booth but I still get over spray and fumes in my lungs and eyes. Great video. Thanks for the info.
No smells at all seals very well, it’s also positive pressure in the helmet; and with the combination of a spraybooth and this respirator you should be well protected
get the backpack bro, gamechanger
are these hard to breathe in?
Not at all
Use it bro you don't need or want all that crap entering your lungs if it works for you all is good I work in a completely pressurised booth so don't need that kind of system if you are doing full paint jobs from your garage you need this big up bro
Thanks brother, I think I made the right move on this one
@@Mechaniclyfe you sure have issoscianates are big time bad news
Yes sir , I have a few friends in the industry , I’ve seen and heard what that stuff can do to you
@@Mechaniclyfe Yeah been there in the past when younger seen disseness acting punch drunk blurred vison that stuff is lethal
Yup, my buddy saw my video and he’s a master engraver for a few celebrities I can’t mention, but he wishes he picked up one of these long ago, he has major respiratory issues from all types of different metals being inhaled. I look at all I do in my garage and the stuff I’m using , it’s not a joke, it truly is poison. ☠️ , I’m just glad I bought it sooner rather than later
TR 6530N or TR 6510N ???? The painter kits come with the TR 6510N but that is not your recommendation. Why? I am like you but spray automotive in a cross draft booth.
Its such a poor time to buy a PAPR with the price through the roof due to COVID-19. I remember this was so much cheaper before covid but never got one due to its proprietary battery prices...
I would disagree there are some great deals you just need to look
This is a great mask for quite everything, BUT, this won't protect you from isocyanates, in 2k paint for example. Only systems providing fresh air from exterior are ok to protect from isocyanates.
Dude here says _"I only have a 30 gallon air compressor, and I figured that it wouldn't meet the demand for air in my mask"._ Uhhhhh, ok. HAHAHA! Imagine that, 130 PSI, 6 CFM into a PAPR. You'd blow your lungs up like a car tire!!.... *POOF!* HAHAHAHA!! There's a reason that the pump for SAR (respirator) is as small as it is. You only need a small amount of air pressure to breathe in and still have positive air pressure.
I would be breathing and spraying out of the same air supply line compressor wouldn’t meet that type of air flow
@@Mechaniclyfe - Ok. Fair point. (But still... sssssssssPOOF! hahahahaha )
Nope. Does not work if you spray any kind of fumes. No amount of air gushing out of any mask provides 100% clean air to breath.
Making your own supplied air respirator with a half mask is easy and costs about $120.
Full face masks have the issue of overspray on the shields. Cleaning it is not only time consuming but also over time gradually fogs the screen.