You guys need to understand that Baltar IS a genius. He didn't just bullshit his way into that, he was given enough information ("you need Plutonium") from Head Six to figure out the way to actually do it in less than 2 seconds.
So a lot of people are going to mention that Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch who played Apollo in the original series… But this character was originally just supposed to show up for this one episode as a way to appease OG series fans but they like the actor and character so much they worked him into future stories… which given how intricate he is throughout the series, it’s kind of wild to think he originally was going to just be a one off
>which given how intricate he is throughout the series, it’s kind of wild to think he originally was going to just be a one off If you read up on the development of the show, this is true for almost everything.
Adama has made several speeches over fleetwide communications in the miniseries and in previous episodes about what's going on. The prisoners know everything that's been shared across the fleet.
BSG is different from a lot of post-apocalypse shows in that there's a functioning government structure and the structure has all the elements to make a government still work under the old system that considers legal rights an important part of the political process. Lee's right. When entering service he swore an oath to defend the laws of the United Colonies of Kobol. It was good to see Lee remind his father of the oath he took.
15:50 The Astral Queen was not specifically a prison ship. It was a cargo carrier the Colonial Government contracted to transport the 1500 prisoners to Caprica for parole hearings and outfitted with temporary cells for that purpose, the voyage expected to last a few days - perhaps a couple of weeks at most. It was not intended to carry prisoners in lock-up for potentially months at a time.
Having Richard Hatch on this episode reminds me of the difference between his Apollo and Jamie Bamber's Apollo. On the original show, Apollo was his own man but he was also fiercely loyal to his father Commander Adama. OG Apollo was definitely a stand up stoic guy and always ready to lead the a desperate mission against the Cylons if it meant giving the human race a chance. Starbuck being his best friend and wingman would usually be right beside him kicking Cylon butt and delivering one liners. I remember in one episode, Adama and Tigh figured out that the Cylons were laying a trap to wipe out the fleet. So they hatched a counter plan between them to circumvent that trap. But to make the plan work all of the pilots (including Apollo) had to be left out of the loop and go to a big public event. After their plan begins, Tigh pulls Adama aside and asks "Why didn't you tell Apollo what we are doing?". Adama just replies with a smile "If I had told him I wouldn't be able to get him to leave my side." That strong bond between Adama and Apollo is what I missed on this version of BSG. The new show has a lot more juicy drama but it would have been better to see Bill and Lee on the same page more often. FYI, as has been said before Adama was the commander's only name on the original show as known of those characters had surnames. So Apollo's real name was just Apollo. Starbuck was just Starbuck etc.
Don't know if you guys have noticed this yet, but the actor who plays Gaius Baltar does the voice of Alucard in the Castlevania Neflix shows! Season 2 of Nocturne is a couple months!
BSG likes to write episodes that are analogous with modern issues ( the prison system and hard labour), but I would have liked to have seen a bit of common sense by openly asking survivors in the fleet if they have any mining / ice digging & processing experience!
I’m pretty sure the prisoner’s ship is just a lightly equipped transport. It’s basically a prison bus that they were all supposed to be on for only several hours at most as they are transported between locations. The few people watching over them are a handful of guards and the bus driver, and they’ve been doing it for around a week or two by this point. I doubt these guards told the prisoners everything at first, as saying it’s the end of the world and all their families are likely dead would no doubt cause problems, up to a full scale riot. They must know quit a bit though, since Zarek knows that Roslin is now president who’s running the show.
Well at least one of the guards was working for Zarek, and with Zarek being a very political creature, he probably made sure he is fully informed. He in turn shaped and relayed whatever information was to his advantage to the other prisoners.
The prisoners knew what had happened. Everyone knew. And I heard your comment, Suraj. I usually listen to the entire discussion. Those are what really make the reactions.
It's kinda funny, all of the "it's not the time for that" comments is why you have to take you shoes & belts off at the airport and walk through a full-body scanner that still concerns most of us when it cones to its efficacy and potential health-effects, (enough people accepted the official narrative after 9/11, and now we are stuck with a lot, too much, security theater.) *It's definitely important to always remember that the initial attack in the miniseries is a metaphor for the 9/11 attacks. I keep reminding myself that those attacks were more than 20 years ago, so it is definitely interesting to see y'all, (Normies and other younger reacters,) react to this series. "You can't commit violence and then expect peace," (to paraphrase Mickey,) had me thinking, "smash-cut to literally every revolution in history, (including the French revolution as referenced in the title. Not to mention the USA's rev and the Haitian rev.)" BTW, might be fun to watch y'all play the board game after you finish the series 😏
So awesome to see the late Richard Hatch as Zarek, as previously said, he played the original Apollo in the original Galactica and was one of my childhood heroes
Early in the series, Starbuck was treated a little too much as a Mary Sue character. In the real world with the exception of the US Marine Corps, fighter pilots are not trained in using rifles just sidearms. Being a fighter pilot is a full time military job. Being a scout/sniper is also a full time job on top of being an infantryman. Nobody is going to have time to be both. So for Starbuck to be a better sniper than the actual Marines on the Galactica is ridiculous.
To be fair, from a production standpoint, if the scene calls for dialogue then you want someone already on the payroll to do it, which is going to mean one of the actors already with speaking parts. Otherwise you’re going to have to pay someone. Sometimes that’s why that decision gets made.
@@Windupchronic I understand but as someone else in the comments said there should have been a character who was the designated leader of the Galactica's Marine contingent.
@@technofilejr3401 They make characters up as they need them and give them lines as they can afford them. The show looks fantastic, but at this point their budget was shoestring. I can’t fault them for the decision. I’ve worked in the industry for 30 years. I can understand how and why it happened, and also understand, while what you’re saying makes perfect sense, why it didn’t happen. You do the best you can with what you have and try to make it believable. It’s something Spielberg said once about the ending of Jaws. It doesn’t matter if it’s realistic. It matters if he’s made people believe it’s possible. That the audience buy it is the important thing, not whether it’s realistic. In this case it also takes care of another problem. What is Starbuck doing in this episode while all this is going on? Would the general audience believe she’s a marksman? Maybe…
"Dead. Where's yours?" I mean, DAMN; for a kid we barely see, he gets one of the classic lines. The prisoners are aware of the general situation; I mean, noticed they were jumping like every half hour for nearly a week, and pretty sure the guards would be like "Dudes, holy crap..."
I'm guessing the details on freedom points were discussed, but it's not really relevant to the episode. Apollo saw thru Zarek almost immediately. He may have started as a legitimate revolutionary, but Zarek is pretty much all about Zarek now. I think Adama and Roslin are so tied up with keeping things going that they lose sight of the larger issues.
At this point I think Rana and Suraj are continuing to say Tyrol's name wrong on purpose just to make Normie viewers crazy. And hey Mickey - it's Commander Adama, not Admiral Adama 😉
One of the only failures this show has is they should have had a non-pilot military character... A Marine or something... Who could do these jobs like the rescue attempt. Because even on a ship which is short staffed it makes no sense why a pilot would be put in charge of this stuff other than their a main character
Exactly. I'm from a family with members in all of the services. I described the Starbuck/sniper scenario to one of my uncles who was a career NCO in the US Army, he laughed. He said "I would never think to tell a pilot how to fly and they definitely shouldn't try to tell me how to take a hill"
Just FYI War College is an actual thing. Its higher education within the military. The academies are essentially undergraduate level, you go to the [insert branch here] War College for post-grad education
Yes, I can hear your voice! 😃 though I'm honest, I don't always listen to the entire discussion. But I do enjoy these a lot, glad you picked the show up. nice surprise!
Yes and no. He played Captain Apollo in the OG BSG. His name wasn't Lee, it WAS Apollo. "Lee Adama" as a name was created for this show, as they wanted the OG names like Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer to just be callsigns.
During the development of the new series, Richard Hatch was extremely vocal about his disapproval of a reboot (he had tried to get a continuation of the 70s series going himself and failed). So naturally they cast him as the guy who looks at all of this and declares it all bullshit.
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Obligatory comment pointing out that Tom Zarek is played by the OG Apollo. Him negotiating with Apollo was basically Apollo negotiating with Apollo lol. Richard Hatch had been trying to revive BSG for decades before this show came along. RIP Richard Hatch.
"I heard this" :P So excited for the reactions to come, but mickey is right, please please avoid any behind the scenes things! Even the youtube channel for BSG spoils massive things in thumbnails.
Man, now that im rewayching this show with yall. . .its disturbingly applicable to today political environment. I think your perspective on how people would vote, and blame the stuggles on Rosalyn were spot on. Its disturbing how unable some folks are to see the wider scope of events and actions.
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You guys need to understand that Baltar IS a genius. He didn't just bullshit his way into that, he was given enough information ("you need Plutonium") from Head Six to figure out the way to actually do it in less than 2 seconds.
Hey, they're still figuring out that this isn't a comedy, so give 'em time.
So a lot of people are going to mention that Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch who played Apollo in the original series… But this character was originally just supposed to show up for this one episode as a way to appease OG series fans but they like the actor and character so much they worked him into future stories… which given how intricate he is throughout the series, it’s kind of wild to think he originally was going to just be a one off
Richard Hatch would follow Jamie around giving him notes about playing Apollo.
I was genuinely surprised to see him introduced this early. My memory thought it surely must be later on.
@KrisBrostrom he did end up with a substantial storyline each season.
>which given how intricate he is throughout the series, it’s kind of wild to think he originally was going to just be a one off
If you read up on the development of the show, this is true for almost everything.
Gaius: I have concepts of a Cylon detector.
🤣
That means he’d get elected.
@@acephas3he did lmao
@@jfernandez7098 Thats so sad and real....
Lol… well played.
Fun fact: Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the original Battlestar Galactica. (Micky should know this) Thank you
maybe you should watch the whole thing instead of the first 5mins. XDD
Adama has made several speeches over fleetwide communications in the miniseries and in previous episodes about what's going on. The prisoners know everything that's been shared across the fleet.
But if it's a bus.
BSG is different from a lot of post-apocalypse shows in that there's a functioning government structure and the structure has all the elements to make a government still work under the old system that considers legal rights an important part of the political process. Lee's right. When entering service he swore an oath to defend the laws of the United Colonies of Kobol. It was good to see Lee remind his father of the oath he took.
That you heard this.
Also: that "Somehow, Palpatine returned" bit was gold.
OG Apollo. I had the OG BSG lunch box in elementery school with Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict on the cover.
My mom bought me a toy Viper for Christmas.
@@technofilejr3401 And I hated they had the toy recall because kids were swallowing/ choking on the missiles.
@ I remember that.
My mom took the little red missiles from me and let me keep it
I still have the stuffed Muffit that barked when you pulled the string.
@ Wow
15:50 The Astral Queen was not specifically a prison ship. It was a cargo carrier the Colonial Government contracted to transport the 1500 prisoners to Caprica for parole hearings and outfitted with temporary cells for that purpose, the voyage expected to last a few days - perhaps a couple of weeks at most. It was not intended to carry prisoners in lock-up for potentially months at a time.
Apollo talking to Apollo about what it means to be Apollo never gets old to me.
Edit: Ugh, the dialogue in this show is so good.
Edit 2: I heard it!
Having Richard Hatch on this episode reminds me of the difference between his Apollo and Jamie Bamber's Apollo. On the original show, Apollo was his own man but he was also fiercely loyal to his father Commander Adama. OG Apollo was definitely a stand up stoic guy and always ready to lead the a desperate mission against the Cylons if it meant giving the human race a chance. Starbuck being his best friend and wingman would usually be right beside him kicking Cylon butt and delivering one liners.
I remember in one episode, Adama and Tigh figured out that the Cylons were laying a trap to wipe out the fleet. So they hatched a counter plan between them to circumvent that trap. But to make the plan work all of the pilots (including Apollo) had to be left out of the loop and go to a big public event. After their plan begins, Tigh pulls Adama aside and asks "Why didn't you tell Apollo what we are doing?". Adama just replies with a smile "If I had told him I wouldn't be able to get him to leave my side." That strong bond between Adama and Apollo is what I missed on this version of BSG. The new show has a lot more juicy drama but it would have been better to see Bill and Lee on the same page more often.
FYI, as has been said before Adama was the commander's only name on the original show as known of those characters had surnames. So Apollo's real name was just Apollo. Starbuck was just Starbuck etc.
Don't know if you guys have noticed this yet, but the actor who plays Gaius Baltar does the voice of Alucard in the Castlevania Neflix shows! Season 2 of Nocturne is a couple months!
Nocturne returns in a few weeks actually👍🏽
BSG likes to write episodes that are analogous with modern issues ( the prison system and hard labour), but I would have liked to have seen a bit of common sense by openly asking survivors in the fleet if they have any mining / ice digging & processing experience!
Whenever I hear Tie-roll I imagine the Chief wearing a tie made out of a cinnamon roll.
Gaius is so funny, watching him lie makes me so happy!
I’m pretty sure the prisoner’s ship is just a lightly equipped transport. It’s basically a prison bus that they were all supposed to be on for only several hours at most as they are transported between locations. The few people watching over them are a handful of guards and the bus driver, and they’ve been doing it for around a week or two by this point.
I doubt these guards told the prisoners everything at first, as saying it’s the end of the world and all their families are likely dead would no doubt cause problems, up to a full scale riot. They must know quit a bit though, since Zarek knows that Roslin is now president who’s running the show.
Well at least one of the guards was working for Zarek, and with Zarek being a very political creature, he probably made sure he is fully informed. He in turn shaped and relayed whatever information was to his advantage to the other prisoners.
The prisoners knew what had happened. Everyone knew.
And I heard your comment, Suraj. I usually listen to the entire discussion. Those are what really make the reactions.
It's kinda funny, all of the "it's not the time for that" comments is why you have to take you shoes & belts off at the airport and walk through a full-body scanner that still concerns most of us when it cones to its efficacy and potential health-effects, (enough people accepted the official narrative after 9/11, and now we are stuck with a lot, too much, security theater.)
*It's definitely important to always remember that the initial attack in the miniseries is a metaphor for the 9/11 attacks.
I keep reminding myself that those attacks were more than 20 years ago, so it is definitely interesting to see y'all, (Normies and other younger reacters,) react to this series.
"You can't commit violence and then expect peace," (to paraphrase Mickey,) had me thinking, "smash-cut to literally every revolution in history, (including the French revolution as referenced in the title. Not to mention the USA's rev and the Haitian rev.)"
BTW, might be fun to watch y'all play the board game after you finish the series 😏
Agree 100% about revolutions. Even in “peaceful” transitions of power, the leader can have a past that involved violence. Nelson Mandela, for example.
Navi immediately was like I ain’t voting for a sicky
🤣
Hi, yes I heard you at the end of the video 🙂
With some of these view points. This show is going to be rough on them. 😂😂😂
In Brazil for every 3 days worked (or book read) you get a day off your sentenced.
Would suck to be illiterate.
Y’all will probably get to this in the discussion, but just in case you don’t: Tom Zarek is played by Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the OG show.
The Prisoners probably wouldn’t have made any trouble if they’d been offered a waffle party.
it makes me happy to see Suraj get happy whenever he sees Gaius
So awesome to see the late Richard Hatch as Zarek, as previously said, he played the original Apollo in the original Galactica and was one of my childhood heroes
Early in the series, Starbuck was treated a little too much as a Mary Sue character. In the real world with the exception of the US Marine Corps, fighter pilots are not trained in using rifles just sidearms.
Being a fighter pilot is a full time military job. Being a scout/sniper is also a full time job on top of being an infantryman. Nobody is going to have time to be both.
So for Starbuck to be a better sniper than the actual Marines on the Galactica is ridiculous.
To be fair, from a production standpoint, if the scene calls for dialogue then you want someone already on the payroll to do it, which is going to mean one of the actors already with speaking parts. Otherwise you’re going to have to pay someone. Sometimes that’s why that decision gets made.
@@Windupchronic I understand but as someone else in the comments said there should have been a character who was the designated leader of the Galactica's Marine contingent.
@@technofilejr3401 They make characters up as they need them and give them lines as they can afford them. The show looks fantastic, but at this point their budget was shoestring. I can’t fault them for the decision. I’ve worked in the industry for 30 years. I can understand how and why it happened, and also understand, while what you’re saying makes perfect sense, why it didn’t happen. You do the best you can with what you have and try to make it believable.
It’s something Spielberg said once about the ending of Jaws. It doesn’t matter if it’s realistic. It matters if he’s made people believe it’s possible. That the audience buy it is the important thing, not whether it’s realistic.
In this case it also takes care of another problem. What is Starbuck doing in this episode while all this is going on? Would the general audience believe she’s a marksman? Maybe…
Richard Hatch (the original Apollo) my teenage crush. Met him at Supanova in Australia a few years ago.
"Dead. Where's yours?" I mean, DAMN; for a kid we barely see, he gets one of the classic lines.
The prisoners are aware of the general situation; I mean, noticed they were jumping like every half hour for nearly a week, and pretty sure the guards would be like "Dudes, holy crap..."
Your discussions have been really great in this series, and yes I heard you at the end there, Suraj. 🥳
Yes I did notice you were not there during the last two episodes Navi and I even inquired if had you given up on the show, Glad to see you back.
Had every intention of rewatching this over the years, guess I'll finally do it through you guys ! Loved this show.
I LOVE this show too,when it first debuted on tv I thought it was the best tv series on at that time. With the-SHIELD-a very close second.
A secret mission? Say less.
But don't *actually* say less; that's why we watch these!
I'm guessing the details on freedom points were discussed, but it's not really relevant to the episode.
Apollo saw thru Zarek almost immediately. He may have started as a legitimate revolutionary, but Zarek is pretty much all about Zarek now.
I think Adama and Roslin are so tied up with keeping things going that they lose sight of the larger issues.
At this point I think Rana and Suraj are continuing to say Tyrol's name wrong on purpose just to make Normie viewers crazy. And hey Mickey - it's Commander Adama, not Admiral Adama 😉
Yup made it through the discussion. BSG is a worthwhile series that bears discussion.
One of the only failures this show has is they should have had a non-pilot military character... A Marine or something... Who could do these jobs like the rescue attempt. Because even on a ship which is short staffed it makes no sense why a pilot would be put in charge of this stuff other than their a main character
Exactly. I'm from a family with members in all of the services. I described the Starbuck/sniper scenario to one of my uncles who was a career NCO in the US Army, he laughed. He said "I would never think to tell a pilot how to fly and they definitely shouldn't try to tell me how to take a hill"
Helo shot an incendiary round, thus burning the body and scarring the rats! 🤣🤣
I like that Mickey keeps calling COMMANDER Adama ADMIRAL Adama :)
Rana going to call herself every title except Admiral
I feel like Suraj is going to be very against Roslin in the next couple of seasons
I usually listen to your discussions, so, yep, heard you at the end there.
"(Not the guy from Survivor)" LOL!!!
I love it when this scene happens, and Zarek comes out,, and none of the young reactors know who he is and who he played.
I hear you. Of course I listen to the discussion!
Heard you about the mission. Keep on, keeping on!
Love You Normies family
Me too. Wish I had some buddies ( women or men ) to watch good tv shows with and do reaction videos too.
Just FYI War College is an actual thing. Its higher education within the military. The academies are essentially undergraduate level, you go to the [insert branch here] War College for post-grad education
There may be a time when this show is no longer relevant and sounds outdated, but honestly, I think I'll be long gone by then.
Yes, I can hear your voice! 😃 though I'm honest, I don't always listen to the entire discussion. But I do enjoy these a lot, glad you picked the show up. nice surprise!
Apollo Meeting Apollo! 😍
The guy playing Zarek originally played Lee Adama in the original TV series from the 80s
Yes and no. He played Captain Apollo in the OG BSG. His name wasn't Lee, it WAS Apollo. "Lee Adama" as a name was created for this show, as they wanted the OG names like Apollo, Starbuck, and Boomer to just be callsigns.
@arthurwigglesby8590 I stand corrected. Thank you sir.
I heard the voice at the end... 👍
I heard the bit at the very end. Granted, I don't usually watch till video end, but I was distracted by the game I was playing.
Listened to the end
It's pronounce like tear-ol, and just call him Chief.
heard ya!
I heard this. The discussion is my favorite part.
Heard ya. I mean, good grift getting me to comment for engagement. Just letting you know I appreciate the hussle.
Soooo... who s a cylon among the normies?
Hey, I heard you Suraj!
I'm hearing voices.
“Conditions don’t seem that bad” they’re living in open cages my dude
I heard you
I heard Suraj say something at the end there.
I head you at the end
I heard it.
I did not make it past the discussion and didn't hear Suraj.
That you heard this...I mean...exactly as requested
When's Sonic 3?
I heard this.
During the development of the new series, Richard Hatch was extremely vocal about his disapproval of a reboot (he had tried to get a continuation of the 70s series going himself and failed). So naturally they cast him as the guy who looks at all of this and declares it all bullshit.
I heard the end
I heard you surge
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Justice League: War??
Obligatory comment pointing out that Tom Zarek is played by the OG Apollo. Him negotiating with Apollo was basically Apollo negotiating with Apollo lol. Richard Hatch had been trying to revive BSG for decades before this show came along. RIP Richard Hatch.
Heard it.
Heard, chef
heard this
More more more
I heard this, Suraj
Richard Hatch, the actor who plays Tom Zarek was the original Starbuck in the 1970's Battlestar Galactica.
Nope, original Apollo
@@cruelangel8689 You're right! My bad!
Caprica has the movie-in-Mexico filter.
It sounds weird, but Apollo is absolutely right in this episode.
Stayed past the discussion.
Voices
"I heard this" :P So excited for the reactions to come, but mickey is right, please please avoid any behind the scenes things! Even the youtube channel for BSG spoils massive things in thumbnails.
Prisoners being asked to help with a dangerous drought issue? Sounds familiar.
I heard this
Man, now that im rewayching this show with yall. . .its disturbingly applicable to today political environment. I think your perspective on how people would vote, and blame the stuggles on Rosalyn were spot on. Its disturbing how unable some folks are to see the wider scope of events and actions.
Heard the end message!
I made it past the discussion. Doesn’t everyone?
I have heard your last part, after your discussion.
Love it!
❤❤❤❤❤
"Are you about to white man this?"
???
Sure, i generally stay for the full video, unless you start pushing AG1.
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