Mysteries of the Miranda: notes on a starship
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- First introduced in 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan', the Miranda-class starships became a staple of Trek. In this video, we shall at a look at this most recognisable (to fans) of spaceships.
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I assumed that "Reliant" was an attempt to hearken back to the various ships lost in TOS, such as the Defiant, the Valiant, the Intrepid...
The lack of a deflector dish isn't too troubling since so many other warp capable ships in star trek simply don't have them, or at least nothing directly comparable. For example, Picard's first command, the Stargazer, didn't have one. Probably because that ship was such a complete kit bash for one episode only. The Oberth class also lacked a dish.The D7 didn't even have visible impulse exhausts. Those weren't added until the design was refreshed for The Motion Picture.
@@Feroce Its a small detail on the model, so I can see them confusing it, although you would think the writing team would set them straight. Remember when the Enterprise D shot a beam weapon out of the torpedo launcher in the episode "Darmok"? I remember calling BS on that when the episode aired. They fixed it in the remastered edition, but that's a pretty huge thing to screw up.
@@Feroce the Galor class deflector became retconned as a giant phaser emitter by the VFX choices too.
I don't get it. Why is the dish so front and center on ships that have it if its not important?
@@kargaroc386 Because an IP like Star Trek has a design language that may be roughly laid out early on, but develop as the years goes on. Much of what Trek fans know about Federation starship design was cemented from the Next Gen era and onward. Previous to that series, the design and production teams may not have worried about these details. In universe, it gets confusing and contradictory. That is quite literally the explanation.
My head canon used to be that the deflectors where the 3 knobbly bits around the main dish. The Miranda has 2 of these same devices on the dorsal hull. The full dish setup was not necessary for short duration mission ships. Obviously I don't spend too much time thinking about these things....🤣
I’ve always thought the same, you are the only other person I’ve ever seen notice that
The third unit is on top of the torpedo pod, also giving the same triangular configuration of same units on the Constitution class
@@monty2005 I like this idea. It's like three smaller deflectors that add together to equal one big main one. A "deflector array" as it were.
This is my view as well.
That's enough for me. I'm calling it official!
When TWOK was being conceived, Reliant was imagined as being a battered, older vessel as you state. One term that came up was a "buoy tender" in the Director's commentary.
If so, then the name of the 1960s auxiliary vessel would be an appropriate precedent.
However, the Director's Cut commentary also indicated that the production staff wanted Khan to be driving in an "old Reliant," as in the automobile. Apparently, stolen Reliants were something of a cliche at the time of filming.
I am basing the above information on the watching of all materials provided with the Director's Edition DVD. It has been a while though, so that information may have come from somewhere else.
What's more interesting about the Miranda is that it appears to be a better use of space than the Constitution.
Also, Enterprise was not the newest in the fleet at the time of TOS, and may have already been 20 years old. So it's fine if there's 1800-registry ships existing at the same time. Rick Sternbach said that there is no TOS Miranda, it was instead an outgrowth of the refit program.
As for "Court Martial," haven't the blu-rays clarified that yet?
The Miranda is definitely a better use of space, it's true. I've always liked the design. As for 'Court Martial', I honestly don't know whether it is '1664' or '1864'. It looks like the former to me, but I don't have any blu-rays so perhaps I'm wrong (it wouldn't be the first time).
Its worth noting that using purely sequential registry numbers would lead to the german tank problem.
Yes. If NCC-1701 was launched in 2245, and NCC-2000 was launched in 2285 (I theorize that NCC-2000 was pulled from the registry list in 2270, but that aside . . . ), NCC-1864 would be about right in the middle; 2265.
Given that there were probably more ships built later than earlier, maybe 2270.
However, given the short service history of the Constitution Refit, and the long history of the Miranda Class, I’d say that the Constitution Refit grew out of the Miranda Program, not the other way around.
@@michaeldemarco9950 Except for the warp drive, which would explain why they had so much trouble with it on the Enterprise. Maybe the Mirandas still used a horizontal warp drive assembly, like the pre-refit Constitution.
@@tortenschachtel9498 , or, maybe they had a little trouble adapting the new warp core to the old Constitution space frame.
I like the Miranda too. Reliant's registry of NCC-1864 references the date 1864, during the US Civil war, as the two Starfleet Vessels are having a civil war. USS Bozeman's NCC-1941, reference's model make Greg Jein's model work in the movie 1941.
Someone at Cryptic clearly had the same idea as you when designing a pre-refit Miranda class for STO because they also placed the navigational deflector on the rollbar
Yeah and it looks stupid up there... but at least its not in a cutout at the front of the saucer x.x
In the movie, the Reliant was a newer, more capable escort/destroyer vessel, as illustrated by its powerful phaser cannon, and better armament. Enterprise was an older, training vessel. The Reliant was not the same Reliant from “Court Martial,” but it’s namesake. I love the name, as it was built with the best of intentions, to serve the peace. I love that it doesn’t have a corny “scary” name.
It’s only by Kirk’s superior tactical knowledge that the Enterprise survived. The Reliant would have mopped the floor with he Enterprise, all things being equal.
Totally agree. I know the initial idea was for Reliant to be an older Constitution class, but the newly designed Reliant gave us a newer, larger and more heavily armed ship for Khan to TWoC (excuse the pun; fellow Brits will know what I mean 😂). The fact that Kirk still wins despite the obvious advantage of the Reliant we eventually get in TWOK makes the story all the more powerful from the heroes perspective.
The creation of Reliant is serendipitous indeed!
*TWOC is an acronym for the offence of Taking Without Consent, generally meaning stealing a car by driving it away without the owner’s consent or knowledge.
Originally the Reliant was to be a constitution class but they made it in to a different ship because they needed the audience to be able to tell which ship was what in battles.
I like to think the Miranda class was the impetuous for the refit program the Enterprise underwent. Im my head canon the original plan was more along the lines of the Phase II refit, updated but structurally mostly the same, but the realization that the flagship and her class would still be somewhat behind the newer middle range class caused the program to be changed over and over until the ship was as stated in the film practically an entirely new vessel.
The over the top prospect of such a refit for all existing Connies meant that all future "refit" type constitution class ships were new builds rather than refits, called the Enterprise class or the Constitution II class depending on when in the project you asked.
I also personally like the idea that TOS style connies were still in service during at least some of the movie settings and that some or most of them would have recieved the Phase II style refit at some point. But in both cases the ships were no longer suitable for deep space and front line service considering the advances made by other antagonistic races.
The fact that even the refit style ships were not in all ways superior to the Mirandas lead to the ambitious Excelsior program. A ship that imo skipped over an entire generation of heavy cruiser design with every intention of being a class with an extended service life.
"We're only alive because I knew something about these ships that He didn't"
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 That, and three dimensional thinking... or rather, SPOCK'S reminding him about there being three dimensions of motion =p
Reliant isn’t smaller than Enterprise, it’s actually larger in terms of internal volume. It is also more heavily armed, probably as a design accident.
Really? I've counted on both models and they seem to have the same number of phaser emitters. The one thing Reliant has that Enterprise doesn't, is aft torpedo launchers (which I always found something of a ridiculous oversight on the Enterprise's part).
@@atomicninjaduck9200 Reliant has two enormous fore and aft facing phaser cannons in addition to the standard emitters and an extra two torpedo tubes facing aft. She has a smaller overall footprint, with a greater internal volume, allowing her to be more manoeuvrable and agile, whilst packing a hell of a punch weapons wise.
Let’s face it, ships of the same class were still making up a good portion of the backbone of the fleet well into the time of DS9. That sort of longevity indicates a very successful design.
@@monty2005 Exactly, this is why the Constitution-Class was retired by the end of the 23rd Century and the Miranda was kept around, not to mention all the modifications to the design.
@@atomicninjaduck9200 you maybe able to tell by my profile picture that Reliant (the Miranda class generally) is my absolute favourite Star Trek starship design 😁
@@monty2005 I believe they were called 'mega phasers' at the time and were a sort of testbed for the warp drive enhanced phasers that the Enterprise would be refitted with in TMP.
I really enjoyed the Shakespeare quotes, I have always been a very big fan ever since I was a kid and I love how Star Trek sprinkles Shakespeare throughout different episodes and movies.
tbh reliant is a great name as it is an abstract concept like enterprise
I've heard several individuals state that the giant dish in the front of the engineering hull on a Constitution-Class is not the deflector, but a large sensor. The actual deflectors are supposed to be the three nubs on the sides. If my memory is correct, there is at least one such of these things on top of the Reliant's torpedo pod.
And two more on the saucer upper surface; one on either side of the bridge module.
This would sure lend more credance to my thought that the Miranda's deflectors are those two tubes that come out of the wall on the aft of the saucer. Enterprise might need three because of her height, but Miranda being wide but not as tall could do with two, more spread apart to cover her wider hull.
@@Graytail, it definitely requires three of those. Enterprise has three located around the main deflector dish, and Reliant had three; one on either side of the bridge, and one on top of the Roll-bar torpedo pod.
Nice video.
Personally I thinking trying to make sense of hull registration numbers is a lost cause. I don't think we have any on-screen reason to believe that they are purely based on construction date. Seems more likely to me that they are some code referring to dates, batches, and perhaps construction location.
Militaries often don't do things the way sci-fi fans expect them to do things. The B-24 bomber is from the 1940s while the B-2 is from the 1990s. The F-100 is from the early 50s while the F-5 is from the late 50s. There is some reasoning behind such names but to an outside observer they make no sense. I'm not saying this is the same as hull registries, just that military logic can be, well, peculiar at times.
To add to this, within the US Navy, hull numbers are only continuous within a ship type. The means that, for example with destroyers, the hull number have been, more or less, continuous, since the very fist destroyer (I believe the numbers were reset when the Navy went to guided missile destroyers) commissioned by the USN to the most current Burke class destroyer. But the hull number of the Burke class DDGs might be lower or higher than a Nimitz class carrier, which may be lower or higher than a Ticonderoga class cruiser, and so on.
The Nimitz came out first and is CVN-68 with the last one, the Bush, being CVN-77. The Ticos were commissioned next with hull number CG-47 - CG-73. The Burke class is the most recent and has hull numbers DDG-51 - DDG-140. And sometimes the military likes playing around with the numbers as is the case of the Zumwalt class destroyer which is DDG-1000. So, I wouldn't rely on hull numbers to tell you when a given ship was built/active when compared to a ships of a different type.
Well, for registry numbers not making sense you only have to look at later classes to see how rediculous it'd be... look at Voyager, NCC-74656, wouldnt that have to mean that there were 74,655 ships built before her? I know Starfleet loses a lot of ships but come on... I used to wonder if maybe starfleet would produce low numbers of ship and the registry was split into like, starship model, startship number.. like the 1701 was of ship model 17, and number 01 completed. So the class prototype would be 17-00, before the NX stuff was introduced obviously. But that breaks down with the voyager example too. Sure, by her time there could easily have been 74 different models of ship, but that'd make her the 656th intrepid class ship built ^_^'
These videos are some of the most deliciously nerdy content I've encountered on UA-cam, and I am 100% here for it. Cheers from eastern USA.
It has two deflectors arrays, mounted on the saucer. The Enterprise has 3 deflectors mounted around the main sensor dish. A Miranda isn't an explorer and so lacks a large sensor dish.
Great summary and some interesting theorising!
That is the best TOS Reliant I have seen. Great video!
Here's another possibility. The name Reliant was used not to refer to something famous, but to set up an expectation in the audience, as to the ship's character. Reliant - Reliable - a ship that must be old, but dependable.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself love the Miranda class design starship's and have various model kits of it as well as all the different Eaglemoss variations of it as well as the one with the warp nacelles up top like the Constitution class,👌.
The number registry from the episode "Court Martial" is definitely NCC-1664 not 1864. Watch the remastered version and take a screen shot right when the Commodore puts the tape extract into the monitor base and pause it at that moment before Jamie Finney walks in the room at the beginning.
01:47 - Pausing on this frame, you can see one of two protrusions on the saucer section that divide the raised sections aft. These protrusions are navigational deflectors. Given the compact design of the ship, there were two smaller deflectors instead of one larger one. A subtle, but important detail of the design.
I imagine the Soyuz class is a deep space intelligence gathering version of the Miranda, collecting subspace signals with antennas and tracking cloaked ships. Imagine the P-3 Orion which has a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) on the tail, the Soyuz class is similar in that it tracks spatial anomalies, like cloaked ships.
The USS Reliant and the Miranda class were in fact originally called the Avenger class in the Star Trek literature of the 1980s, such as the Ships of the Star Fleet Volume One handbook published in 1988. It wasn't charged to Miranda class until the 1990s following the events of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
As far as the Ship Registry my head canon and fan theory is that the Ship regsisty is both a hull number and because of ship modifications project number the USS Reliant may have be a special modification or just build to a definite standard with a higher number for reasons
The under side of the saucer sections on the Miranda and Constitution Refit have secondary deflectors, for the Miranda Class, they may all that have been needed for such a compact size for the Starship design... and remember, the Miranda Class are Light Cruisers, so they would not need a larger deflector for her mission
The TOS is and will always be my favorite Star Trek starship but the Miranda class, specifically the Reliant is a very close second.
It's kinda funny the first one was "Reliant", because for me the prototypical Miranda-class name has to be Saratoga. Probably just because it was the one which got reused.
Oh, I much prefer the idea of the Soyuz being a much older design the Miranda was based off (perhaps the Miranda never even had a pre-refit version, but rather the Soyuz did?).
Other explanations I'd seen relied on it being a new design based off the Miranda, but then hastily retired or converted back following problems. Certainly real life examples like that exist so it's not exactly implausible, but it's far less narratively satisfying than having the Soyuz be a successful predecessor class rather than a failure of a sequel.
I love the different model variations in this one too.
The Miranda class has two deflectors. The main deflector is covered by two doors on the hull, and the secondary is built into the planetary sensor array. Unfortunately, they never put the doors on the studio model for some reason.
This was a well-researched and beautifully presented video! Any chance you can upgrade your microphone, though?
I always thought those tubular protrusions from the saucer wall were a Miranda class' deflectors, that and more of a hull based deflector grid rather than a point origin dish. Research ships do tend to have more exotic, experimental equipment after all.
I believe and prefer that the miranda class was a new design of that period of SF. Rather than a refit design
I swear I saw something at some point that suggested the Reliants Warp core was supposed to be Transverse and an vertical element is just the connection to the impulse crystals but that shape would have some issues, but I expect that is why later on warp cores are often kinda small in other ships
Those two large forward facing hatches on the top of the saucer section always puzzled me a lot too.
If Star Trek can manipulate gravity, why do all decks have to follow the same direction? Consider a "vertical" warp core lain down horizontally between the two shuttle bays (where the traditional neck would have interfaced with the saucer). The transition between the two gravity axies would be strange, but it could be done.
I just took a look at the deck plans for the Reliant on Cygnus x1, and she has a pretty big warpcore, its just mounted horizontally instead of vervtically. It stretches the full with of her aft on deck 4, it literally spans the full space between the uprights of her rollbar, so she probbably has a bigger one than Enterprise. Definatly would have the issue of not being ejectable though. Also just found out that the 'bottom impulse crystal' is the ventral antimatter storage pod. KINDA EXPOSED starfleet! Design better!
Klingon ships don't have deflectors either. My head cannon is that the deflector on the Constitution class is part of the reason they are so fast in their time, being better able to shield from superliminal particles, so can go faster taking advantage of the longer warpcore they have.
The name Reliant itself probably originates with the civil war era steamship named Reliance. Like the Reliant in Star Trek, the Reliance was forced to switch sides in 1890. It began as a Union ship but was captured by the Confederacy during the US Civil War.Sep 8, 2017
Given all the different variants of the Miranda it seems to me that the design turned out to be very tolerant of upgrades and modifications so Starfleet was able to keep refitting existing hulls as well as building new variations on it whenever new technology became available and the demands of Starfleet shifted.
My take: Registry numbers are sequential. They are pulled from a database in order. They could pull one number, and build a ship, or they could pull a batch of numbers all, at once, then meter them out over a decade or so. But generally, they are roughly in order.
The original Constitution Class starships were build between 2245-2255. The Miranda Class was a technological step forward, and originally launched during the 2260s.
With the development of the Excelsior Class in the 2270s, the Constitution Class was supposed to be retired from service during that same period. However, as the Excelsior Program suffered major delays (transwarp, anyone?), several of the Constitution-class ships were refit with Miranda-class components to bridge the gap into the early 2280s. By the time of Star Trek II, even these have all been retired, with the Enterprise herself remaining as the Academy training ship.
Remember, at this time the Mirandas and the refit Constitutions may have looked similar, but underneath the Miranda’s were fairly new, while the Constitution Refits were 40 year old space frames that were way past their prime. The Mirandas were on this side of the technological divide, while the Constitutions were not.
As for the Soyuz Class; it was a deep space explorer based on the Miranda Class, which proved over a decade to be too small to be effective in this roll. After ten years, it would be replaced by the much larger and more capable Constellation Class.
The question that vexes me is how crewmen get to the torpedo pod.
Just like the secondary hull on the Oberth (if it was manned and not fully automated).
Beaming. The answer is always beaming.
Great video...👍
And all this time I thought it was named after a Dancer in old movies - They don't dance like Carmen no more.
So my explanation of where the warp core is; they took the vertical core and just rotated it 90° and placed it running across the ship between the nacelle pylons, with a small branch running aft to the impulse engines. Its still the vertical warp core's base design, its just been oriented horizontally.
If you place a Miranda side-by-side with a Constitution and flip it on its side there's just enough width to pull it off.
About the Soyuz Class; with the buildup of the Starfleet in the 2270-80, the Soyuz Class was built as an offshoot of the Miranda Class, to take over deep space assignments from the retiring Constitution Class.
The Soyuz Class proved too small for deep space exploration. Even with her extended hanger bays and extensive sensor arrays, she didn’t have the internal volume necessary for years-long missions beyond the Federation.
After fifteen years, the class was pulled back and replaced by the much more capable Constellation Class ships.
Great video.
During the Steam Era, US Railroads often assigned blocks of numbers to designate a specific class of Locomotive in their fleet. These blocks of numbers for locomotive classes were not always in order. That being said, perhaps something similar is being used with hull registry numbers in universe with NCC 1700-1799 indicating Constitution Class and possibly NCC 1800-1899 Miranda Class. If that is the case anyone looking at the registry number wouldn't have to see the ship to know that Reliant was the 63rd ship in the Miranda Class. Star Trek Picard season 3 punched a big hole in that theory with the introduction of a Constitution Class NCC 1975 which I chalk up to what I call, In Universe Special Magic Reasons.
I've always assumed blocks as well, just wit the difference that sometimes blocks were reassigned. So it could be that 1600-1680 were for Miranda. 1700-1730 were for Constitution, 1750-1850 again for Miranda, 1860-1920 for another Class, 1950-1980 again for Constitution etc. The 1975 could just be a later production ship. It's still lower than the 2000 of the brand new Excelsior. And if they keep building MIranda ships for some reason, that would also explain why there are some with numbers in the 30000s
I love the Reliant! We need a Reliant Star Trek Movie
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That music you're playing in the background sounds just like the music from the video game Sad Satan.
I once new the guy online that designed the Miranda Class.... I wished I had asked him more about it and or if he had any notes or drawings from designing it now....
You have brilliant videos on this channel. Are you planning to make one about USS Grissom, by any chance?
If the starbase display was 1864 in Court Martial (which I really don't think it is), then perhaps it was partially built there.
The Soyuz may have been an attempt to load more onto the space frame, or were clumsy earlier ships, and that they were prone to some sort of technological breakdown or weakness
I like the Reliant, or Miranda, class. It’s a really cool design (sorry) and looks like it could kick some butt. I also agree with u that I like the pontoon design.
It is a great design for a Starship.
There is an explain that the "second" deflection crystal of the Miranda is in fact her deflector dish - or deflector crystal, whatever. It just didn't pointing directly ahead, so it won't be able to forming a powerful directed deflector beam to actively pushing obstacles away, but still enough to maintained an navigational deflector shield.
Its her antimatter containment pod apparently. Reference the miranda class deck plans on the cygnus-x1 site
I actually like the Miranda class. Think she’s cool. Another favorite class of mine is the Saladin.
The Impulse Deflectors being placed Dorsal and Ventral are likely for coverage purposes. The top Deflector looks to be the "main" one while the lower one is in actually just a 2nd emitter module. In this configuration, they could "feasibly" cover the upper and lower halves of the saucer, though they can't, really. So we gotta explain it away with some technobabble.
On the topic of Registries, I think Starfleet is pretty fast and loose with them overall. In general, it seems they will re-use registries when possible for similar classed ships, however they will seemingly be just as likely to just tick the registry upwards as well, perhaps as a counter-intelligence tactic. Perhaps Starfleet Naval tradition favors keeping a registry open for use by a vessel fulfilling a similar role. In this way, registries gain this sort of historical lineage to them, in essence carrying a vessel's legacy through generations.
Still, the Miranda, for all her quirks, works well as a sort of "Cost reduced" Constitution that requires modular pods to allow it to fulfill the same roles that the Constitution can do in her base configuration. A similar trend in all trek eras as well. The Constitution was the main "do it all" ship, but was probably slightly cost prohibitive so more specialized, and far less resource intensive designs were used to bolster the fleet.
Wonderful video, I hope you do similar videos for other ship classes like the Constellation class
I'm a teen of the 80's when most of the Tech Fandom was coming from both Mastercom Data Center & Star Station Aurora; back then, "Miranda" was known as "Avenger". I know Miranda is Canon, but if it's all the same with you, I'll stick with Avenger. 🖖😄
I like Avenager-class as well. It has more punch than Miranda-class.
I've always thought that the Reliants deflector system was the two half circle indentations on both side of the upper hull.
the design they went with is perfect for the story of STII. It kinda looks like a predator up next to the Enterprise.
Ship modela were often filmed upsidedown when blue/green screened due to balance and ease of getting the desired angles...Enterprise D was shot upside-down (source Reading Rainbow with Levar Burton). The Plymouth Reliant was small and cheap, and maybe one of the guys who designed the ship drove one? Something about the TMP and TWOK era ships reminds me of American car designs from that period.(namely the shape of the pylons connecting the warp nacelles to the hull were like 'C' pillars on a car connecting the roof to the rear quarter panels, and the impulse drives looked like taillights). How a Miranda class ship moves through space without a nav deflector is a bit of a mystery.
I still cannot figure out how the excuse for making new models is always blamed on budget...I could cobble together a very nice looking starship from common household items aquired for under $200 at a 1980s pay rate of $4.00/hr, and the total would maybe be $900...if it was my job at the time and meeting a strict deadline. But I'm not about to atart a conspiracy theory here or blame anyone for embezzlement. 😏
I always thought that Reliant was chosen because Ricardo Montalban was a Chrysler spokesman at the time. There was a shuttle on the Enterprise D called Pontiac because Patrick Stewart was a Pontiac spokesman.
But if this was the case.. I would think a name like Aries would have been a better choice given its relation to the cosmos.
As far as the Miranda class design goes… in-universe I think it was probably the class that hit it just right for a utility starship. Just the right size, economical to build, mature and proven design. If you didn’t need a starship to be the biggest or the fastest or most powerful or most technologically advanced….. you pick one of your legacy starships and keep producing it with minor detail improvements.
We see this in the real world with things like the Cessna 172, the Boeing 737, the Arleigh Burke class destroyers, even the America-class amphibious assault ships-which while a new design…. closely resemble the straight-deck WWII Essex carriers some of which were turned into the first helicopter assault ships.
From a production standpoint it was pretty simple. Studio models were expensive to make so they had to be recycled. This is why we saw Excelsior and Oberth classes in TNG and DS9-especially as they had to make new models for Ferrengi and Romulan ships-as well as kit-bashes like the Soyuz and Constellation classes. It was only later that we saw the Nebula class and Ambassador class.
With the introduction of CGI in the mid-90s this was no longer a constraint… but for continuity purposes they continued to use the older designs.
In the Star Trek Picard episode The Star Gazer there is a display of commemorative plaques at Starfleet Academy one of witch is for the Reliant and gives it a lunch date of 2264.
I mean, lots of Trek ships are named after character traits, including the enterprise.
Intrepid, Defiant, Valiant, Fearless, Constitution, Endeavour, Majestic, Creedence, Huladancer...
Well maybe not the last one, but, you know.
I tend to assume that the Constellation is an instance akin to the various Enterprises, being named for a famous older ship from the Romulan War or some such, hence the low NCC number. Starfleet doesn't seem very consistent with how it renames ships, given the Defiant was reused as well for example, but isn't the Defiant-A or what have you.
Dodge reliant K platform was the Inspiration.
I don't think there is a second impulse deflection crystal on the underside of the ship. We get a pretty good shot of that underside structure in the first view of the Reliant and at the end of the Mutara battle. While it shares some detailing similarities with the upper ring of the impulse crystal structure, it seems to be a solid (not a "glass" dome) structure with a blinking running light in the center. It looks more like a vented covering for something.
According to the deck plans from the cygnus-x1 site, that glowing blue dome is the antimatter containment pod, it attaches to the bottom of the vertical portion of the warp core.
I don't think there's any canon reason why the Soyuz couldn't pre-date the Constitution refit. As we've seen with 24th/25th century designs, class refits typically follow the introduction of new classes that already have the latest technologies and design aesthetics. The Constitution class is a pre-war design, after all, and it wouldn't surprise me if in-universe explanation for the movie era design aesthetic was a post-war cultural shift that took a while to hit the mainline fleet.
In fact, while this is now highly speculative, I wouldn't be surprised if the Soyuz wasn't a design that came directly out of the Klingon war, with all the protrusions that look like weapons emplacements. Perhaps it was originally intended to be something akin to a gunboat, but examples of the class that were produced were found to be at odds with Starfleet's peacetime philosophy, and the design was quickly reworked into the more science-focused Miranda class.
Reliant looks great, but not a patch on the Enterprise.
It did not need a deflector dish as it has sensor arrays on the front of its saucer that push away any space depree and as for the warp core think of it as a smaller engine than the one the Enterprise had so it can not go as far or as fast.
Actually the Miranda Class was named after one of Saturns moons
Please Do A Video on the Enterprise D & E Bridge Layout and the Enterprise A FRom Star Trek V & VI
I certainly want to do the Enterprise-A bridges, as one of them is my favourite. The Enterprise-D and E are for some time in the future - after all, I have to build the two Enterprises first, and the Galaxy-class will take work!
i love the miranda but it would be cool to see the battle being with the constitution refit against the original constitution
That's where Star Trek got the name reliant off of a real naval ship for the us navy
I assume that other crystal is the deflector. Soyuz class should have 2 more nacelles attached to the top. I like the upside-down variant with the 2 sets of Torpedo launchers. I always Hated the variant without the Rollbar. Just dumb. Have it be battle damage & its been ripped off. But to BUILD it without it is dumb
The warp 'core' on most Starfleet ships has always annoyed me. Why do they need a ten story tall design? Especially when every other fleet seems to use fairly compact designs. In universe I go with the refit Connie has it's combat systems powered by the warp core (TMP) and needs the big core for that due to the refit (a from scratch Connie would have a more compact system).
And on the nav deflector, I go with it's integrated into the roll bar and nacelle pylons, it just doesn't light up. Going with the idea that the Miranda's are more combat oriented (had a tech manual that called them heavy frigates) distributing such an important system would reduce the chance of losing it completely in battle, as well as not making it such an obvious target (glowy things are important, shot it!)
Well if ''Akira'' is new ''Miranda'' then ''Saber'' could be new ''Soyuz''
all the shit people give the miranda as being weak
me - and yet shes considered capable enough that 2 are assigned as escorts for the defiant
THE DEFIANT
U.S.S. Trial NCC-1948 was not a Miranda class.
right..so you not going to tell us what it was then ???
Under-designed and over-used.