ALL The Refit Enterprise Features Explained! CG Model Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The refit Enterprise first appeared in Star Trek the Motion Picture, and it remains a fan favorite because of all of its meticulous detail Every piece ACTUALLY HAS A FUNCTION!!! Let's break it down!
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I love this version of the Constitution, and after watching this video, I was salivating. To me, this was the pinnacle of Starfleet ship design. It's sleek and elegant and wasn't overly complicated in its design. Thank you for going into a deep analysis breakdown of what the Refit offered to both Starfleet and to Star Trek as a whole.
Next to the TOS Enterprise, the refit is by far the favorite on my list of Starfleet starship designs.
What the Enterprise should've looked like right from the beginning.
"Mr. Scott's Guide To The Enterprise" provides more details and interior information, too.
@@kellyjeaularson5786 Yeah, I've got a copy lying around.
I like the fact that it doesn't have a "warp core". Always hated that.
The refit is my favorite. I was just around 9 when TMP came out. I was mesmerized. The shuttle scene made me fall in love.
I was a few years older. You couldn't tell me the Klingons had photons in their noses! 13 year olds are smarter than that!
I wish they had built the full-size model of the refit Enterprise in Las Vegas like they had planned.
@@tsugamblerthat would have given me a reason to want to go to Vegas
I was 8, and upset because The Black Hole was playing on the other screen and I wanted to see it instead. :P
@scotty68 Same here except I was 10… in fact… I think I can admit this… we’re all very likely similarly afflicted… so no shame in confessing that seeing this movie opening weekend the Enterprise dry dock reveal scene… was a genuine nerdgasm… my very first !… and on all levels… emotional and physical ! LOL
Andrew Probert is a designing genius.This and the Madkoifish Enterprises are my favourites.
The Re-fit Enterprise is the most beautiful of all starships. Watching her on full screen made her look real.
@ chrischeshire5528 YES ! I cannot agree more ! I have said to so many people who weee not fortunate enough to see Star Trek: TMP, TWOK and TSFS that seeing this ship, the amazing, gorgeous, sublime Enterprise refit on the big screen adds a crucial and life affirming dimension to it ! Just sitting there in the dark… music swelling ! Looking UP at that beautiful starship model in it’s incredible detail on a 50 feet wide screen ! IT… JUST… LOOKS … REAL !
This video is ofcourse imperfect compared to my vision - BUUUT it is only the beginning of our long relationship with this Enterprise; yall nerd out in the comments please! :) And YES I am now aware of the incorrect position of the reg numbers on the top of the saucer. :)
Yeah how Impulse drive is 'supposed to work' will break your brain for sure, though in a strange way it is kinda similar to Star Wars sublight engines in space in a few ways.
I would speculate (judging by their role on the Star Trek 2009 Enterprise) that the Nacelle fins are real-space restoration fins... who's function is the control of the ships exit speed when leaving Warp Drive. This is how the ship can go to warp from rest and exit at cruise or enter at impulse cruise speeds and exit to a near stop.
But I noticed in TNG they often come out of warp then stop and rarely stop dead, which to be honest sounds safer most of the time than a full stop (which does seems possible mind).
Oh and speaking of breaking your brain reading up on Hawking Radiation and how that interacts with Slipstream and Transwarp has the same effect.
I just hope they don't let Strange New Worlds make up to much more crazy stuff they were already messing with Dilithium as it is in Kirtzman Trek unfortunately so they could get some extra sci fi tropes out of it.
Did they ever come up with an explanation as to why Kirk's pod attached at the torpedo bay hatch, but he walked out on the cargo bay hatch? Does the hatch surrounds contain transporter technology, perhaps?
I still have the engineering book for the ship, supposedly Scotty's work. Which says that there are fusion reactors either side of the impulse apertures that power them. But while the warp drive can borrow power from the impulse it's not the other way around, they used two different sorts of fuel. Pumping warp plasma through an impulse drive is guaranteed to blow the ar*e off the saucer.
If I'm wrong here on any one of these points, I'm sure people in the comments will not be shy about telling me!
@@Cauin450 I think you have it backwards. In TMP when the pod docks to the Engineering section, Kirk and Scotty do disembark to the cargo section. But in TWOK, the pod is shown docking to the same engineering port but the crew disembark to the torpedo bay deck.
Of course, the reason was simple budget. It was cheaper to recycle the existing TMP docking footage than make a new sequence of a near identical action. Although, there may have been plans at one point to do a docking shot, as there was a model of the interconnecting dorsal and torpedo deck made which was used to provide the phaser damage shots.
I seen that you modeled them 3:50 is the shot, but you didn't point out the two dorsal phaser emitters above the shuttlebay. Beautiful model by the way.
Thanks for making this. I always wondered about some of those random objects protruding from the hull and just assumed their inclusion was just a form of "kit bashing" just to give the ship more detail. But actually, a lot of the stuff here seems to also be the result of function rather than just that it "looked cool". The refit is my favorite Star Trek vessel, and it's sad that TMP seems to be the one film that actually cares about what everything is or does. TMP was the only time we saw the low power level amber glow of the deflector dish (not including the reused footage of tWoK).
That’s all it is.
Their functions are “retconned”.
@@calvinnickel9995 Star Trek has been retconned so may times, I want to vomit thinking of the next incarnation. Some of the original ideas were the best, while others, not so much. The rest becomes defined by the lowest common denominator.
And the way they cleared the spacedock. Just perfectly matched, everything makes senses.
Clear mooring, lighten the navigation lights to warn all ship and crew nearby that you're ready to go. Then gently pushing yourself out of spacedock by RCS thruster, coasting, and warning up the deflector in low power mode. Then, when you're far enough away from spacedock so that your shiny blimy fusion flames from the impulse nozzle won't melt the entire spacedock, ignited the impulse drive, and switching the deflector to main power. The ship suddenly came to life, and roaring into the darkness of space with dazzling flames of fusion plasma.
"Star Trek is not a sci-fi, it's a documentary of future."
Correct, there should also be a white lite on the stern and another one on the highest point (masthead). The lights should not be visible at certain angle past the ship's beam, but that's more of a maritime thing than aviation.
I'd love to see a break down of the Miranda and Excelsior classes like this. Great Video.
also there is a pod docking port on the saucers edge, the main computer core connects to the lower sensor the saucer and goes right up to below the bridge. The warp core (much like later designs) runs straight up the dorsal spine connecting to the impulse deflection crystal with a conduit heading back toward the nacelle pylons fuel storage is in the lower deck of the engineering section at the base of the warp core (as seen in ST II WofK.....at least they had a proper engineering and not a brewery!! Although I am sure Mr Scott had a still set up somewhere!!) I have a really nice poster from the AMT Star Trek V version of the 1701A kit that I turned into a Frigate (after dropping it during construction!) funnily enough I called it USS Discovery NCC-2115 after the ship from 2001 a Space Odyssey this was back in about 1987!! It is still hanging in formation with 1701 at my Dad's place facing off against 2 K'tinga class ( 1 built in 1986(ish) the other when ST6 came out)
Still the best looking ship. I always thought Galaxy class looked like garbage
The Galaxy class looks like a giant sleek fetus.
Fantastic! The refit is my favorite Ship in all media. Well done!
What a thorough, and interesting, study of the greatest ship in sci-fi history. Nicely done. She looks wonderful in this video.
I was hoping to win that billion dollar Powerball jackpot a couple years back, pool together with some other rich guys, and build a full scale model near a busy highway, turn it into a hotel casino resort... and with some additional supports under it to deal with gravity and wind(I'd hire some world class engineers, and a physicist) hope it doesn't fall over during a storm and kill a thousand people. Just imagine driving down I-80 coming around a bend up a slight hill, and seeing it suddenly pop up over the treeline in from of you, after having only catching a glimpse of it from a distance a couple miles earlier. Especially at night, all lit up... people would probably complain about getting blinded by the navigational deflector (hmm... better put a variable dimmer switch on it)
Yeah, the weight figures would be completely impossible to deal with, it might sink into the ground and then tip over...but that's what my team would figure out before even starting. Ground pressure, weight distribution, and wind resistance (coating it in Teflon might reduce the latter). I mean, it's gonna take a bunch of stainless steel columns underneath it(attached to all parts, primary, secondary hulls And the warp nacelles-which would hurt aesthetics a bit, but no way would it be possible without), spread out at very specific angles, and they go deep into huge concrete reinforced blocks 40 meters into the ground (after a survey to check for ground density and bedrock) it would basically be like building the Golden Gate Bridge...
It would basically be like the Enterprise, if it was lifted by several cut up short St. Louis Arches, with the bottom of the lower hull being about only 20 meters above ground.... can't have it propped up too high. Someone would probably try to land a single engine Cesna on the saucer 😂
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If you hide a parking garage underground beneath the super structure of the Enterprise , then you would have a strong base for the supports to prop up the Enterprise Hotel. That would be cool to round a corner, and cone over a hill to see that beauty all lit up at night. It would be like Kirk’s tour of the refit Enterprise in the Motion Picture. 👍🏻
@@Vincent-396 hahah! Funny thing, I had thought of digging out an area and doing just that... but then, it would lack the general public display and awe. Edit: but this would negate the issue of wind resistance, tornadoes and storms, and, ground pressure considerably....the saucer would essentially be leveled with the ground. It would still be an extraordinary feat of engineering, at any rate.
Edit: wish I had Scotty's formula for transparent aluminum. But who knows? I might be the guy who invented it!
Edit edit: as for harm against local ecology, an abandoned gravel quarry would make a headstart on the volume needed without significant damage to wildlife. 😉
Flux chiller and baffle plate are components of the B-17 engine's super charger, classified top secret during WW2.
One of the most beautiful starships in sci-fi history
Alot of starship designs look like style over function and yet manage to look plain ugly. This ship is just about perfect, looks fantastic from every angle. Yet for something that is pure Science Fiction has a "real world" quality to it. For a design from the 1970's it still looks futuristic....its a genuinely brilliant Starship.
I always loved the Constitution Class. It wasn't fancy or huge compared to the other ships after nor was it tiny either. It wasn't designed to carry crew families. It was built for it's primary purpose. Exploration, patrolling, diplomacy. It didn't house a lot, but enough to do long distance travel and built well to take any punishment thrown at it. :) When I play STO, this is my go to. ^_^
Great job with this rendering. Love the details. :)
The idea of night vision making edge or formation lighting obsolete is interesting. In real life, on military aircraft, there are light strips (formation lights/strips) that have a low lighting mode which specifically facilitates better viewing with NODS. Depending on the aircraft, the strips are located much in the way they are on the Refit.
My Enterprise. I saw her at the age of 4 when I watched the longer VHS cut of The Motion Picture. This is a starship fit for a deep space explorer, through and through.
You did a beautiful job, man. Seriously. This video is amazing, and I love it.
My only critique is that I think the registry number is too low on the top of the saucer. It's not that far from the ship's name. The phaser turret is set between USS Enterprise and NCC-1701
My only gripe is the neck section. way too thin or even disproportionate!
Though it’s what makes the refit’s Symbolic Silhouette🤷♂️
It’d make more sense if the neck was same thickness from Torpedo bay all the way up to saucer
The lower navigation lights on the saucer section should be red on the left (port) and green on the right (starboard). This allows someone on an approaching vessel to visually identify which end of a ship is facing them, the bow or the stern. In TOS, it was the top saucer lights that had the red/green navigational lights. Also, because of image flipping, in some scenes you may see green and red on the opposite sides.
Quite right they should be, I don't think they ever were on the TMP model, but I am inclined to add them in future vids somewhere along with the formation lights.
@@resurrectedstarships I believe you're correct. There is a breakdown of the various lights and how they changed through Trek the site ex-astris-scientia. I think they first appear in TWOK.
They were in The Motion Picture on the sides of the saucer, but I didn't see them anywhere else.
The "red = port, green = starboard" lighting scheme only really makes sense on the ocean or in atmospheric flight where all craft are naturally going to be in the same orientation with respect to gravity. In space it is not as useful because ships could be in any orientation relative to each other in 3 dimensions. On the ocean you could tell whether a ship was facing towards you or away from you by looking at the red and green navigation lights. In space, not so much - a ship you were looking at could be vertically inverted relative to the ship you were looking from, and if you were thinking in a marine context, you might think the ship was facing towards you when actually it wasn't. To be sure, you would actually need 4 different coloured lights on every ship - the traditional red and green for port and starboard, and then perhaps blue and yellow at the highest and lowest points on the hull. In 3 dimensional space, having just the red and green on either side of the ship is not enough unless every ship has its top and bottom facing the same direction (like they would be for ocean-going craft), but there is no way to know if that is the case without additional indicator lights.
@@lloydevans2900 It makes sense for classic Trek space battles. They tended to depict them as great ocean going vessels. Modern Trek, it's less relevant.
This is, in my view, the finest ship Starfleet ever produced. The design is just beautiful.
Something I've always found concerning about the Deflect Dish concept. It's a great idea, the faster you go even small objects can cause catastrophic damage to the ship, thing is, all these ships zipping about in space means there is a ton of debris that is flying through space and some of that may very well be on its merry way towards an inhabited planet. Going to suck when an asteroid wipes out your species because the Enterprise needed to get to Khitomer on time.
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You forgot the two Aft firing phaser banks located on top of the Shuttle bay. Even the original Enterprise has always had an aft firing capability.
@@TheJTcreate its there just unlabeled.
We never got to see the main gangway hatch used on the Constitution Refit Class Enterprise the only docking ports we saw used was the one on the port side of the secondary hull and the one on the port side torpedo bay and the one on the backside of the main bridge when Spock came aboard.
Beautiful model! Not sure, but shouldn’t the main registry be one ring higher? Looks kinda low down to me compared to the inset screen cap at 10:17.
Yup. Maybe he stuck a ring lower so the light hits it better though? 🤷
the crystals on top of the warp nacelles do not glow (at least I have never seen them glowing in any scenes). The Port and Starboard nav lights are red and green like a sea going ship
Isn't there some rear firing phasers just above and below the shuttle deck?
Yes.
I see the refit as a classical design of what would become a main-stay of traditional iconic Star Ship Enterprise. The design is minimally what logically follows an upgraded avant guard style of TOS, and builds technology into the same configuration, giving it a believable and pleasing aesthetic which has not been matched in any other design. It looks, feels and embodies something which is nautical and futuristic.
I was to introduced to Star Trek via the original movies. I always thought the refit Enterprise felt more real than any of the others. It felt as real to me as the NASA space shuttle. These little details explain why that is. Because it was so tangible, you believed in a future like the one we were shown in the films.
Never underestimate the usefulness of the Mark I Eyeball. Good Lord I'm including that in my common parlance when telling people to just look.
Really great video on all the bits and bobs on the Refit! I'm with the crowd on this one, when I think the Enterprise, THIS is the ship I think of. Not even the post-Voyage Home one, I loved the quarters designs for Kirk and other Officers to be much more inviting than what you saw later on. A half way point between the very comfortable lived in style of the Galaxy class and the more spartan TOS or Undiscovered Country style.
The Impulse drive is capable of 0.8 light speed. This is confirmed by Decker's line in TMP of the ship being at "Warp .8" after the Enterprise is freed from the artificial wormhole. It could be argued that 0.9 is possible. Want more? The tiny rectangular object underneath the shuttle bay is a tractor beam emitter. And unlike it's ToS version, the refit has an aft phaser bank above the shuttle bay.
The aft phaser is mentioned directly in the episode, "Arena".
Very informative Thank You (:
This is an awesome level of detail! I’m curious though, why there are no red/green navigation lights. I don’t always see them on TOS or refit ship shots, but they are plainly visible in these shots of the Smithsonian model (but only on the top!): ua-cam.com/video/jpru_vj2pMg/v-deo.html
Can you clear up my confusion? No navigation lights on the refit, but yes on TOS? I think I remember seeing them in some of the Animated series shots as well.
Yes I think I should make a video ALL about blinkies, navlights, formation lights, all that and how they are used on space ships compared to aircraft and see-going vessels.
I really enjoy star treks attention to detail. Everything has a made up purpose. Star wars has just random shit to look interesting
For years, I have always had conflicts with the Movie version and the TOS version. I mean once you get past the gratuitous elements (admit it, the refit looks a little too much Art Deco) and understand the why things make more sense. My biggest problem has always been the nacelles. The federation always used tubes, the Klingons, on the other hand (hey those things look a lot like Klingon nacelles; just saying). But considering the TOS area where you weren't exactly sure where the weapons were located, this was a vast improvement.
IIRC the parts inside are still tubular, just encased in the new housings. The big magnets are opposing semicircular segments aligned in stages down the length of the nacelle.
Every time I watch your work, I get inspired to try and figure out Blender better. You do good things here, and I'm always excited whenever a new video drops.
Great detail, would love a 3d model. Is there a model of what it would look like if it crashed landed on Genesis as a burning heap? Or maybe if it bounced of the atmosphere and back into space. What would be the damage besides the saucer section mostly gone? Ty
Hahah! You've seen that video too!? Then they patched her up and put her in a museum.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 oh? I thought they only did that with A.
Absolutely fantastic video! And your 3D model is spot on! Loved it! This is certainly my favorite starship hands down!
Great looking model, don't want to come acros as negative but those warp nacelles are not accurate including them having flashing nav lights on the lower side of them, sorry as im a refit Enterprise perfectionist nut case lol.
They were only on the top??
@@resurrectedstarships Yeah, I had to double check that too. There aren't any lights on the bottom of the nacelles. Check out the sequence when she leaves drydock in TMP, there's a good shot from below aft and there are definitely no lights on the lower fins, just lights on the side fins.
@@resurrectedstarships But your model clearly has flashing lights top and bottom at the rear of the nacelles, this is incorrect as it should only have them on top.
@@gabrielvampyre Bu this model in this video ha them on the lower fins which is incorrect, the original filming model only has them on the top!
@@ptaylor5014 I was agreeing with you. I was trying to say that the filming miniature didn't have a light on the bottom nacelle fin and was trying to provide a good example from the films to illustrate.
Something doesn't make sense about your explanation of the design. With so many systems embedded in the saucer hull to deflect debris away how does anything get into the ramscoops? At a high enough speed to collect enough debris to use as matter for the matter/antimatter engines wouldn't the ramscoops just knock most of the matter away since they are so low to the hull? With that said, Excellent model, my favorite ship also.
The thing is, you don't need to really deflect things too much, just enough to avoid the ship. So the molecules getting collected by the ramscoops are just deflected up over the saucer, where the ramscoops attract them down into them.
Ressurected starships, which enterprise would you serve on?
The D, why work on a warship when you could work on a cruise ship.
Yah I'd say this one for the adventure, but the D is probably the obvious choice.
@@tabxtra7057 rather be on a warship instead of being responisble for a love boat.
This is great! I think there's a tractor beam emitter in the sloped section under the shuttle bay.
nice!!! just got the eaglemoss model yesterday!
Protip: there are actually 7 shuttle pod docking ports.
The first indication is when Kirk arrives: the announcer states "Shuttle pod available at Cargo 6."
The 2 'missing' ports are on the underside of the saucer: spock and later Kirk use them while inside Vger.
#1 behind the bridge
2&3: ventral saucer behind protective doors
4&5: torpedo bay
6&7: Cargo Bay
But are they docking ports or simply re-used doors from the cargo bay set? For such a brief shot it might have been just that. Mind, I think maybe that space might just be big enough to actually hold a shuttle pod which would be interesting.
Shuttle pods are weird. By all indications the only hatch is opened by the ship it’s docked to. There are emergency hatches, think as an elevator, but otherwise, that’s it. I would imagine that Probert thought that if a pod docked with a ‘dead’ ship they could tap the pod power to operate the door mechanism (hence the various connectors that mate pod to ship.)
The shuttle pod is kinda goofy, but it’s better than the original concept of actually detaching an entire ‘room’ from the orbital office complex for the grand tour. 😁
Aside, there are those that complain that the tour of the Enterprise was ‘boring’ and ‘a waste of time’ and other foolish things. For a Trek fan that only a few years previous to the release of ST:TMP felt that there was no hope for any kind of Trek revival, that scene was a kind of vindication. We were all Kirk, seeing his true love, returning home.
Those aren’t tears. It’s raining or something. 😁
I love these videos from this and other creators. This 3D model is beautiful and what is even better,.... I learned something new here.
I've always considered myself fairly educated in starship design but I never realized that the ship ran z deflector strip around the saucer section!
Great video as always.
Great work. I love the Refit and happy to see it on the channel.
Some critique of details.
1. You have the upper primary hull registry number in the wrong place. You have it on the third ring from the edge of the primary hull. It should be on the fourth ring from the edge.
2. It doesn't look like you have the registry and ship name aft of the officer's observation deck.
3. It looks like there's no markings to either side of the main gangway docking ports on the port and starboard edge of the primary hull.
4. You're lacking the ship name positioned forward of the interconnecting dorsal and aft of the ventral sensor dome/light array.
5. The forward flat leading edge surface of the side fins on the nacelles are sticking out a bit too far from the main nacelle. I think that distance should be somewhere closer to half that amount. It isn't a smooth join from the nacelle to the fin, but it is smoother than what you've got there.
And a couple I'm not sure about.
A. I can't tell if you got the phaser turrets above the shuttlebay. I see some detail there that might be them, but you didn't point them out even though you did point out the phaser banks at the base of the engineering hull.
B. You have the "Magnatomic Amplification Crystals" on top of the warp nacelles lit up blue. This seems to be a fairly common thing modern 3D modelers of the Refit Enterprise do, but I can't recall that feature ever lighting up on the photographic miniature during the movies. The only shot I could think of was a single shot in TMP where the Enterprise is in the wormhole, and there is a little spot where it might be one of these lit up. It is NOT lit up in the Director's Edition top view as the Enterprise blows up the asteroid with a photon. So, I don't know. Can anyone point me to a moment in the films where this feature was clearly lit up?
My only comment about the description elements provided in this video is a question about the the source of the different shades of plating of the hull being the deflector grid. As far as I know, the different shaded plating is not explained, but the grid pattern (controversial on the original Connie, but canonized on the Refit) is said to be the deflector grid. Although the only source I know for that is Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise.
Regardless, despite it seeming like I'm picking your work apart, I loved the video. If the differences I've noticed are just artistic license, then it's all cool. I'd say the only serious one is that placement of the upper registry number on the saucer, as that one just jumps out and looks odd to someone like myself.
Otherwise, I'm looking forward to seeing this beauty dance with some Romulan Winged Defenders!
Hello!
1 - yeh you're right, I'v only noticed recently, I may have followed a bad reference image.
2 - its there, no clear view of it on this video.
3 - are you referring to the square hatches? It didnt ever occur to me there would be anything there. What is there?
4 - mmm you may have got me there but I am starting to think some signage was added that wasn't there in the TMP movie.
5 - I will have another look at the nacelles - the geometry of the nacelles comes from some older work of mine.
A . phaser turrets above shuttle bay - check
B - IDK...looks cool, but I might be changing or tamping down that blue glow there...and no I wasn't referring to the 'aztec' hull plates, I was referring to the lines/grooves - that's shield grid.
Most of these are fixable!
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#3 = The square gangway hatch, yes. I have to correct myself. It seems there's only a gangway hatch on the port side, not both sides, so I partially misspoke. But the port side gangway hatch is where the gangway from drydock attaches in TMP. In the shots you can see it says Starship USS Enterprise to the left and United Federation of Planets to the right of the gangway hatch.
#4 = It's there in TMP. There's a good shot of it as Kirk and Scotty approach in the pod. I tend to remember it because there was a decal for it in the old AMT kit, and I hadn't ever noticed it before that decal. Now I can't ever forget it. :D
Thanks for the answer to my comments. I hope I nerded out enough!
While not my favorite design of the Enterprise as I have very fond memories of the TOS series this model and breakdown was amazing. Truly great not only explaining the techno babble but the real world science such as the various energy based shielding I once read the tech behind deflector shields and it was plasma based to repel cosmic bodies like asteroids and other debris. All in all I look forward to seeing this amazing design popup in future videos.
Given G. Roddenberry's vision that's carried over (to this day) of bridge design, for the life of me, I cannot understand why no aliens just don't concentrate their fire on that obvious Achilles' Heel on all UPF crafts... just take out that external command center, no matter the shields, they cannot protect that external area the same way they could a tactically sound EVERYTHING of a ship.
Oh, and full impulse speed used to be JUST SHORT of Warp 1, they were both pretty much light speed twins... that changed over the decades. They used to both be the speed of light, full impulse almost negligibly slower, Warp 1 almost negligible faster. Thrusters used to be the insanely-fast real maneuverable things most pilots used, with only the masters using impulse speed in combat.
@04:58 -- you switch time tenses (wildly) and enunciate in such a stilted manor. Is this a GPT-AI script with a synthesized voice? Because it's kinda like hearing a person reading a ransom note made out of random cuttings from fashion magazines, at this point in the video.
Another triumphant video! The detail and dedication to your art is outstanding!
While the refit isn’t my favorite, this is surely gonna be a hit.
Same here, but I see why they did it. Externally, the original ship design wasn't very detailed.
It was smarter and sleeker in my opinion, something smart designers would do.
But people who want a visual thing related to the story would prefer things to look more detailed as a "smarter" thing, then ironically seeing the sleeker less-detailed versions of exactly that being of a more "futuristic" design.
Entertainment is such a flip-flopping point of view in all aspects.
What are the big Blue Dots on Nacelles? Never seen before, look odd. Can you help anyone??
Beautiful model well done. This has always been my favourite ship. Excellent video. 🖖
The central dish is, in this era, a communications dish. The three navigational deflectors are positioned around it. The Miranda class Reliant has those same three navigational deflectors (which is why the Reliant was able to go at warp without a dish). It wasn't until the TNG era that these components were all combined into the "deflector dish." You've erroneously identified the navigational deflectors as "space energy attraction sensors."
Hmmm… can you cite any documentation from that time ? I am referring from the 1987 “Mr.Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise” by Shane Johnson which was based on designs, documentation from Andrew Probert and producers from Paramount, which refer to the Main Navigational Deflector; and the 1975 “Star Trek Blueprints” by Franz Joseph referred to the dish of the Constitution class Enterprise’s dish as the Main Sensor and Navigational Deflector and was endorsed by Gene Roddenberry and excerpts from these Franz Joseph plans were heavily referenced for the first three Star Trek films.
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Love it! Minor point: The registry number needs to shift one 'row' closer towards the bridge.
Omg, you're right...I didn't even notice until reading this comment. Dude should ❤ your comment, but she still looks great though, and the nice thing about CG models, you don't have to painstakingly tear off the decals and replace them and repaint any spots that peeled up.
I really like your CG model of the Enterprise but things I've notice is there are missing ship registrys on the nacelles and the back of the saucer, along the registry number on the top of the saucer being off by one spot, aside from those the model is great looking.
This is a Beautiful and Fascinating star ship!! This is why I LOVE STAR TREK all the technical aspects of the ship make it seem real when designing a Federation star ship This video was a blast to watch REALLY ENJOYED IT!! Thank You❤❤👍😁😁😁
You ever consider doing some of the older earthships say from the earth romulan war
sensor bands not deflector
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done indeed and very nicely well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided, And the Refit like the Original Constitution class has always been one of my all time favorite designs as well as the one in SNW indeed👌.
Beautiful! Needs the registry at the rear outboard of the nacelles and I'll call it good ;)
I love this video a lot.
FANTASTIC VIDEO! Any chance of doing an "INSIDE" version of the Enterprise Refit?
I absolutely love this channel. Honest to goodness, everything about it is relaxing to me! (And interesting of course.)
Beautiful, and after going through the details, which were many, the outtakes provides some good humor at the end, hope you had a nice weekend. For me it was/is to hot, well don´t like heat that much, need some cold comfort of space.
I don’t know, you make a compelling case but the original Enterprise owns my heart!
Nice! Great work. Thanks for making this. The refit will always be my favorite Enterprise!
First off...great video, and thank you for uploading it! Secondly, if I was to comment or add on a little about this beautiful ship model's details, it would take as long as the video itself to read. 😂
I had a plastic model kit when I was a kid(most people didn't have the means for CG models in 1989) I never quite completed(the warp pylons kept breaking off the hull) 😭 and I never even got it painted or all the decals on. However, I remember in the instructions it listed quite a few of the technical details you mentioned that some might just pass off as not really having a function.
Even sadder, the model was half melted in a house fire years ago, so no chance of ever finishing it now. 😢
It's no wonder Starfleet ships explode all the time, all those plasma conduits running through the walls to power the various force fields/shields(I guess conventional armor is obsolete in the 23rd century-unless it's an alien alloy for plot complication). I guess that explains the console rocks, and maybe how some of the self destruct works, like in Star Trek 3, the front of the saucer just explodes(instead of the warp core overloading and the ship going up like a sun....destroying everything witin a parsec, but I digress).
But yeah, I've already said too much and haven't gotten to just how totally awesome the refit Connie was, she was like my baby.
Edit: It's too bad they never wrote a plot to use the ventral mounted phasers or the saucer section detatch(funny, I don't remember seeing their outlines for the landing feet in the tmp refit, only in the tos Enterprise, maybe I need to look closer?)
You can clearly see the landing pads and cargo doors on the underside of the saucer in TMP leaving spacedock scene.
Thank you for your hard work. The Enterprise is a beauty.
I like the extra effort with the red pointers casting reflections on the hull. Absolutely did not need to do that but you did anyway.
Don't we see aft torpedoes in "In a Mirror Darkly"? I know it was a pre-refit Constitution in that case, but surely the more advanced version wouldn't get rid of them.
(And yeah I know Enterprise isn't great with continuity a lot of the time, but their re-creation of the Constitution class was pretty good.)
Yeah it was a stupid idea to take away the aft torpedo launcher. I am sure there is dialogue in TOS that mentions aft torpedoes as well.
@@SackAttack81there might not be, TOS liked reusing the same shots of the Enterprise firing weapons every time.
I think the refit Enterprise looks pretty epic from the outside, but I really didn't care much for how it looked on the inside, just didn't look like the Enterprise anymore.
The "magnatomic amplification crystals" appeared on the Enterprise in Picard, but I can't remember ever seeing them in the movies. Did they ever make an appearance?
On the -A model I made back in the early 2000s, there were ornaments on the top of the nacelles, but I don't remember if there was a function assigned to them.
Great Model and video! Is there aft phasers and photon torpedoes? Thank you for the great work you do in all these videos1🏆🏅💯🖖🎉🎊
The Refit has phaser turrets above the shuttlebay which can fire aft dorsal. She lacks any rear torpedo launchers in her screen appearances. The FASA RPG posited the idea that the Mk III refit added a single aft torpedo launcher, presumably at the rear end of the existing torpedo deck, and other adaptations often assumed she had a rear photorp launcher even though there was no support for that on the actual model.
@@gabrielvampyre Thank you! I remember seeing it in the Mr. Scott's Guide to The Enterprise! I remember phasers. I couldn't remember the photons.👍💯
I'm interested how the ship self destruct system works. Scotty mentions that if all else fails the V-ger cloud could be destroyed by the ship self destructing.
Overloading the reactor would make a big boom. But in ST3, it also suggests there are "scuttling charges" set throughout the ship. I guess the idea behind that is to turn the ship into itsy bitsy pieces without the big boom.
That is a great looking model. I love the refit
This is probably my favorite ST vessel design! Quick question - can people actually enter the nacelles without having to leave the ship, and would being in a nacelle while the warp drive is actually operating be immediately fatal? Cheers!
There are Jeffries tubes going up each pylon to the nacelles, but in the TOS and movie era, the nacelles are far too dangerous with all that hot, radioactive drive plasma, for humans to enter while the ship is at warp.
In TNG, there is a control room at the aft end of each nacelle, accessible by ladders, which is shown in the Season 7 episode Eye of the Beholder (they referred to this area in the episode as the "nacelle tube"). The control room is protected by a force field, so it is accessible when the ship is at warp, and is normally crewed by two people at all times.
A feature that almost everyone misses: Maneuvering thrusters.
There are four long rectangular depressions on the top of the secondary hull, facing aft, and four shorter ones on the front cap of the secondary hull, to the left and right of the torpedo tubes. These are maneuvering thrusters, which provide low sublight propulsion when the ship is moving in orbit, or docking, or rendezvousing with other ships or space stations. They provide the thrust forward or aft, and the reaction control thrusters (RCS) provide attitude changes (i.e. steering).
These are used most prominently in Star Trek The Motion Picture, when Enterprise leaves the drydock and moves around in Earth orbit, before the impulse drive is engaged and the ship moves forward at a high fraction of light speed. They are also mentioned in Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country, when Kirk asks for one-quarter impulse to leave Spacedock, and Valeris reminds him that regs specify thrusters only.
The thrusters don't light up, so they're not the most visually interesting feature of the ship, but they are a third complete propulsion system, after the warp and impulse drives, and a very important component of the ship's operations.
I've always assumed that they were of the same thrust output as the RCS thrusters, but only orientated to give axial thrust as opposed to the multi-directional RCS thruster mounts. There is one 3D animation modeler that has done the ST2 "Leaving Space dock" scene and included RCS thruster bursts, but the name of the channel escapes me.
You are going to have to do a Miranda class as well now
It's late. But one more video won't hurt.
The funny thing about Photon/Quantum Torpedoes is, they're self-guided. You give them a target and they will travel to that target and explode. Very simple. So why does any ship need after Torpedo launchers? The strategic advantage of the few seconds gained by them not turning around is more than offset by increased construction costs and maintenance time.
No, they are not self-guided. The only time guidance was in evidence was during the last battle scene in ST:VI, when Spock and McCoy added a device to a torpedo that would track the gas emissions of Kang's ship.
She's beautiful. But only half the doors open; and guess whose job it is to make it right?
I think the ship was put together by monkeys?
The additional detail also gives the audience a good sense of the Enterprise's size more so than The Original Series model. On that model, we do have some sense of the ship's size mainly from the Bridge module and Shuttlebay, but this model gives us a lot more to go on. This is rather important, I think, in help bringing the show more to life than TNG and subsequent shows ever did. In fact, one of my gripes about most subsequent ship designs, with some exceptions like the Defiant, is that we don't get as much detail as we'd like, or worse, we might get a distorted sense of scale.
The "new" Enterprise seen in Strange New Worlds shows us a rather unrealistic Enterprise, with big, spacious rooms, complete with various amenities such as windows. Captain Pike's quarters is huge by comparison to TOS Enterprise and the refit Enterprise's Kirk's Quarters, both of which feature no window to look out of. While you could say, volumetrically, they could conceivably have rooms for the captain and other officers like this, at the same time it makes it difficult for us to believe this ship would really exist like it does compared to the earlier designs, which felt more utilitarian in design. As big as the older Enterprises were, once you set a scale, you've now just limited the amount of spaces on the ship. For a ship that can accommodate 430 personnel, and then have things like a sickbay, auxillary control, engineering spaces, laboratories, and other things (such as a gym, a swimming pool and bowling alley, a botanical garden, weapons, etc.) you have to consider all the space necessary to be able to allow so many people to be able to inhabit and function. Life support and waste disposal are critical systems.
If you ever watch the Battleship New Jersey channel, with curator Ryan Szimanski, that's a ship barely one quarter of the Starship Enterprise's size with more than three times the crew, and every space is utilized in various ways aboard, which, I think, if you apply that logic to the Enterprise, gives the ship a sense of believability. When you mess with this, it makes it hard to suspend disbelief for the audience.
Great vid! I am curious, where did you find the info that the refit saucer could detach? This is the first I have heard of that and am interested to learn more.
You can find original artwork about the ideas for the Separation Plane, or band, around the top of the neck.
Sort answer to all questions: They look cool.
Great job on the 3D model render! Awesome presentation!
Impulse drives the ship to .99c then the main engines engage and break into warp travel.
Red/blue navigation lights should be in there as well. They were actually part of the TOS design but were hard to see with the way TV screens mangled subtle colors back then. If you look at the prop it has them. Later on they were forgotten on some designs like the Galaxy who had them and then didn't have them depending on the season and shot lol.
The exhaust vents on the torpedo tubes are because torpedos are actually explosively launched with gas down the tube. Then their small warp coils energize by interacting with the ship's warp field, they act like capacitors for the warp field energy basically. This allows them to travel to their target and blow their matter/antimatter warheads. But they have no conventional drives, so they need a bump assist to start moving through the standing warp field and charge up, hence the explosive launch. This all means the exhaust has to go somewhere so they use (absurdly long?), exhaust tubes to dump it out aft.
Not from what I read, impulse can take you to about 0.5 C..
@@011keepers in going off the galaxy class technical manual
I feel the interior of TMP Enterprise is the best one, too. I feel all the design elements in TMP were fantastic and very unique to the rest of the franchise.
The original 1701 and refit did not have a deflector dish. Those didn't happen until the TNG era. In the TOS and TMP era, the Enterprise had three navigational deflectors seen surrounding the communications/sensor dish. The Reliant had them too.
Yes, it did. What do you that that large copper dish in front of the engineering section was?
@@chadevans4922 That wasn't a deflector dish. That was a communication dish. The deflectors were the three nobs that surrounded it, on both the original and the refit. The Miranda had the same three deflectors too (albeit in different locations of course), which is how/why the Reliant was also able to go at warp safely without having a "deflector dish." It wasn't until the TNG era that all these components merged into a single "deflector dish." This was covered by Stuart Foley over at Trekyards using official material created by Matt Jeffries. You'll note that at no time on screen was the 1701's dish ever referred to as a "deflector dish." It wasn't until 80 years or so later when we heard the crew of the D refer to THEIR dish as a deflector dish in "The Best Of Both Worlds."
This is at odds with the information in Memory Alpha. The dish is used to try and deflect an asteroid in TOS.
@@chrisclarke9637 No, it's not. The script calls for using the deflectors (plural). This references the three front deflectors that surround the communications dish.
3:53 your graphics are out of sync with your audio, some elements appear at the same time, there's already an F visible from an upcoming point. This feels like you either wanted to get done with the video after lots of work (I get that) or the graphics aren't really yours. If you made the graphics, you could have / can render the video so you don't have to pause it, and matching your audio.
Like many others, I think this "refit" version is the definitive Enterprise design. Very sleek and a bit retro.
The newer, computer-generated Enterprise D (another fan favorite) feels too toy-like for my taste.
This ship is about 503 feet shorter than the Enterprise in the newtrek universe. (Discovery, SNW, Picard, and I throw Ent in there, too)
@ressurrectedstarships: A few notes. The primary deflector dish in any Federation ship does not in any way modify the warp field (including projection thereof). Its primary purpose is as you indicated: sweeping objects out of the path of the ship while at warp velocities and, to a much lesser extent, sublight velocities. The one exception I am aware of was Voyager episode "Parallax" and that made me roll my eyes at the time it aired.
Secondly, impulse engines as you noted are indeed using fusion reactors. However, the way they work is not as you think. Imagine them as sublight versions of the warp drive. Indeed, the TNG technical manual points out that it uses the same space warping logic as warp drive, but at sublight intensities which do not require the power of a warp engine. Though, typically, the Federation tends to limit impulse velocities to 25% of the speed of light due to time dilation effects. It's not that they can't go faster as a rule, but the prohibitive nature of time dilation at sublight velocities precludes the likelihood of going faster.
I think that the above explanation of how the impulse engine works would work fine with your theory about engines (including impulse) being able to reverse in place. Indeed, in the TNG episode "Relics", LaForge and Scotty discuss the fact that impulse engine design hadn't changed a whole lot in 80 years with LaForge pointing out that the Genolan could probably run circles around the Enterprise at impulse speeds. And, of course, Scotty mentioning he wrote most of the specs and rules for Impulse Reaction Control systems (IRC in this case) that Geordi was referencing.
The engines do apparently spray out an ionic radiation pattern that is unique when in full reverse. Reference: TNG: Relics. Scotty mentioned it to LaForge who didn't take him up on the bet that it was indeed the cause of the radiation pattern they saw on sensors.
The other deflector systems you mentioned weren't for space flight, but were for other sublight purposes. As you posited, combat was one reason. Another is heat shielding that is different from combat shielding. Indeed, both TNG and TOS reference different types of shields in their run.
The constitution class refit, steered with thrusters on the hull. Multi-vectored impulse thrusters, were first used on the Ambassador class starships. Also. Warships can absolutely have botanical gardens. Not just for morale. They can also be used to grow food, and augment life support, by generating Oxygen and scrubbing Carbon Dioxide from the air.
Im a Safety/Health/ Environmental compliance guy. Realizing that this is a sci-fi, "space vessel", it seems logical that it would have all the, "bells and whistles" that modern spacecraft/aircraft have. Of course there are catastrophic failures that no amount of safety gear can help (ie. Space Shuttles: Columbia, and Challenger). Thats why navigation/ formation beacons, hazard avoidance placards, and warning strip markings, especially where the hot/cold/high pressure vents/ports are located. Ejection ports, Automated warning and collision avoidance messages that are transmitted on standard communications frequencies, and in various languages, weapons safety pins, covers and ports, and emergency escape-hatch/pod bays, teather and life support anchor points, hand holds, and railings, parachutes. If you pay attention to military and even civilian vessels there are tons of safety, emergenvy, and hazard warning placards placed in very visible spots. On civilian vehicles it's color coded to match the surroundings and decor, but still provides visual reference. In workplace/industrial/military service, craft have them in bold typeface in yellow-green, orange, and red. Why? Because people are stupid and panicky. Industrial/military people recieve heavy emphasis training, but the regular public, not so much (In case of a water landing; your seat cushion is a flotation aid).
Matter of fact, I'm surprised that ST in all if its' incarnations, never showed the safety drills that must occur in military, or civilian industrial craft. The movie "Alien" had a safety warning/evac-system messaging system on "Nostromo" (YOU HAVE...5... MINUTES...TO REACH SAFE ESCAP DISTANCE BEFORE SHIP DETONATION), along with audible alarms, flashing lights, and signaling beacons to show the closest route to the escape pods.
The animated series had a "deux ex maquina" called an "environmental belt" that crew wore instead of PPE, or space environmental gear. That seemed to magically provide environmental, life support, and force field sheilding from whatever environmental hazards were present. Perhaps that could have been adapted in TNG or beyond? It certainly would be a neat thing to have for off-shore, oil-well platform workers. But the general public would still moan about, "the hassle". Pleasure cruise ships have life jacket safety drills that are required, and passengers STILL moan about them too.
You'd think all the publicized, gruesome, life taking accidents that happen would make folks hip, and accepting of them, but NOOOO. In the end we must all be accountable for our own safety and actions. Whether on cruise ships, or space ships, "Safety First".
Regarding your "Bussard Ram scoops".. In TOS, they're called Ram Scoops. In TNG, they're called Bussard collectors. As I understand, Bussard is a term that came about only in TNG.
Love your design!! The "Connies" are a timeless design like the Iowa Class Battleships of WW2. Tough, durable, and could dish out a beating on any Klingon or Romulan Warship of the 23rd Century. And improved even further over the years. The decision to "refit" the Enterprise and her sister ships was a far better decision then trying to create more and more starships from clean sheet designs.
It would be even fair to say that the Constitution Class has been Starfleet's greatest design. Flexible, and allowing for much larger and more powerful ships to be built on such a traditional design. And yes I know the basis of this design goes as far back as Archer's time, when the NX-01 refit gave the original Enterprise the secondary hull that is standard on many starships. But the Connie is timeless and it's influence even extends into the far future as seen on Discovery.