I've always loved this ship. It's the first time we got to see a diffrent starship other than the Constitution. It was long over due to see other kinds of starships on screen.
This was one of the many smart ideas that the producers of Star Trek II had. Instead of going cheap and reusing the Enterprise model for Khan's ship, instead coming up with the Miranda class. Enjoyed this vid and all of your other works as well!
The thing I always like about the Miranda-class is its look. It's different enough that someone won't confuse it with the Constitutions, but similar enough to know the ships are in the same fleet. 🙂
I remember I used to not care much for Mirandas, but in more recent years I've come to really like and appreciate the brilliance in their simple yet multi-mission design. Definitely my favorite of all workhorse designs through out the lore. My favorite variant would have to be the Soyuz class though, as it's basically a much more advanced and powerful Miranda with increased hangar and internal space, allowing it a role as more of a mainline exploration vessel. As a workhorse it would logically be better with the increased cargo space. I always imagined it being a go-to shuttle delivery vessel in peacetime and fighter carrier in wartime.
Definitely liked the Miranda when first seeing it in STII, it was nice to finally see a different class of starship for once, and a really slick design on top of it.
Back when I was young, I purchased a set of blueprints for Reliant. (in the pre intraweb era before all you yununs had a phone glued to yer hands.!!!) They called it an Avenger class heavy frigate. I can't remember who produced them but they were a cool look at this class, even if the information was not the best. They called the rollbar phaser systems 'megaphasers'. Don't know what happened to my copy of the plans, but they were cool.
Ah the Miranda class.... jack of all trades, master of none, and sadly woefully ill equipped to face off against the Borg and Dominion threats, though my head cannon blamed Starfleet Command not an aging design
6:30 🤩🤩 I was hoping you’d mention this I remember being told that as a kid and being unable to comprehend it, then as I got older and got more heavily thought invested into sci-fi, recognised the extended rear section of the saucer, plus the raised thicker section at the rear as well, actually containing more internal space than the constitutions secondary hull was a 🤯 moment Which only further shows why this design lasted so damned long compared to the constitution itself
There are only two starship models in my office: NCC-1701 Refit... and NCC-1864: two of the most beautiful ships of the line in Star Trek history. As someone posted earlier, if I couldn't serve on a Connie, I would want to serve on a Miranda class.
I've always loved this design. It's one of Eaglemoss's best models and I have all the Miranda variants Souyez, Reliant and one that I can't remember. The XL version of the Reliant is my favorite one.
Well done on this one. And it coveres the lack of $$$ for the Special effects the Studios gave the various trek movies and series. CGI finally allowed more new and original ships to be rendered and it got better the cheaper the cost!
Great video always wondered about this ships history. Its rumoured that Harve Bennett approved the design after seeing it upside down haha Truth or Myth 😉
Another excellent video! Love the story you've created for the class. And, of course there is a vertical intermix chamber! It's what is shown in ST:II!
I'm thinking no, we don't see anything that follows those same design cues. My head canon mirrors what happened in real life. The Enterprise C we saw on screen doesn't match Probert's original concept. I think it was Sternbach who was asked to quickly design a new model that would be easier to build. So in-universe, I think Starfleet needed a new capital ship, but it wasn't part of any wider project and ended up being a unique design.
I did think that the Constitution inspired the Miranda, and that ship in turn influenced the Constitution refit. (Even though the Refit Enterprise model came first and the Reliant a couple years later.)
The shear length of time some of these ship classes were in service for, (in Star Trek) is just really hard to fathom. It would be like a modern navy still using ships from the Victorian era or something.
The Federation opted for a more modular style of ship manufacture, as a result of this, ships were not simply tossed aside for something new every time someone turned around.
Not really, the USS Enterprise (carrier) was launched in 1960 and served until 2012, or 52 years. The B-52 bomber entered service in 1955 and still serve active duty today
@@jschildress1 And are slated to serve at least until 2040, maybe longer. And they are not made of almost magical materials that are many times harder than diamond and near completely resistant to corrosion.
Modern developments have greatly slowed down new outer hull developments for successive generations of software and "under the hood" upgrades. A century and a half is still one very long time, but evidenced by the interior scenes in DS9 it's clear that the Miranda's of the 24th century are only superficially the same ships as in the 23rd.
I remember reading somewhere that the Reliant was originally upside down but was flipped to its current orientation after people thought it looked too similar to the Enterprise. If that flip never happened it's easy to imagine a timeline where there was a lot less design diversity in Starfleet ships so I'm glad it did!
That's right it was upside down when director Nicholas Meyer signed the blueprints of the model he signed on the top instead of the bottom this flipping the ship upside down very 😎 cool👍
Always loved the Miranda Class! Like the car I drive ( Ford Crown Victoria ) its platform was easy to manufacture, traditional frame, sturdy, flexible to modern upgrades and uses. She may have been a "Tin Can" by the 24th Century. But, her pedigree, length of reliable service, and simplicity and effectiveness, has earned her a place in my heart! And she is a handsome gal to boot!
I kind of flip flopped on that idea personally... But for me, it would make sense that as a test bed, Starfleet would build a new design from the ground up! So that idea won in the end :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Could be both in an alternate timeline! The class was picked as the testbed due to its inherent modularity in some elsewhere Starfleet. But I dig it.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself have always loved the Miranda class design of starship's and I myself own all of the various designs of the Miranda from Eaglemoss models as well as various model kits and other various little pre-builts of the ship as well,👌.
To all those haters of the Miranda class...The class and its variants served admirably in its century of service to Starfleet and U.F.P.. Through countless routine mundane assignments and numerous battlespace engagements, a straight forward Jack of All Trades, Master of None...The definition of a workhorse space vessel.
You will not see me as one hater to this class of ship. Time tested and sturdy vessel. Even in the next generation show. These ships found themselves in trouble it could take it. Though exception of this ship when this ship went into battle. The Borg and the Dominion was the exception. With this ship service a true ship of the line on the front lines.
Miranda Class is like that first car we bought. We will always have a favorable opinion of him, even though he is small and simple. I liken my affection for Miranda Class to what some people have for the former Wolkswagen Beetle (see Herbie).
I love that you pointed out the vertical warp core... first time i saw it in star trek the motion picture on the Enterprise... i only would say its smaller of course then the Enterprises vertical warcore! Love it more then the tos warp core that led to Enterprise NX-01 possibly warp core!
The Miranda, so modular that one of its variants ended up getting its OWN class; the Soyuz. I've always loved this ship, and I know full well there's probably a couple still flying around after 2401.
When I first saw the Wrath, I noticed the two shuttle bays at the rear of the Reliant. Since the Constitution only had one shuttle bay, I concluded , as a 10 year old, that the Miranda class was a cargo ship. I hope Star Fleet will forgive me. LOL.
Here's where, as a fan of FASA, I think I'll take your caveat to heart, and take this video with a grain of stardust. In my gane universe, the Miranda Class is absolutely a refit, from the earlier Anton Class. I not only base this off of FASA's original entry on what they called the Reliant Class, but the novelization of Star Trek II, in which the Reliant was referred to as an old rust bucket. Still, cool video.
Next to the NX, Daedalus and Constellation Class, the Miranda Class would be a vessel I would be proud to commandeer. It’s a simple yet versatile design and like any car it could be tuned to go faster and further. It’s a Frigate Vessel but it could be a destroyer or explorer vessel. There are three/four(Soyuz) variants but the classic torpedo top spoiler is the must have.
I think the class of vessel changed with the era. by DS9 it was a frigate, but when it was first introduced, it was basically the same as a connie which was a Heavy Cruiser. I think the ship class distinctions probably changed over the years.
Personally if i couldnt command a Connie i would Love to command a Miranda to me a Miranda was an awesome ship as good as any Connie =) specially when you consider what an inexperianced crew did to the Refit Enterprise in Wrath of Khan . little ship kicked the hell out of the Flag ship of the Fleet =)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It ultimately would come down to who has the most experience command and tactical capabilities. Since Khan had no experience in either of those areas even though he is a quick learner, Kirk would still have the advantage. Reason is, he's been at it longer.
Of course it did, Kirk was sloppy cauae it was a friendly ship and he was on a training run, and they hit Enterprise with shields down. Had Reliant's inexperienced crew concentrated their fire just a little more they would have popped Enterprises' warp core and won in a single battle.
You always do great videos and I have always liked the underslung designs of the Miranda and Nebula, they are a beautiful and logical compliment to the iconic primary / secondary hull designs. But if feels like a bit of a trope to me that ' this ship came into being because that ship was old or flawed in its design. I also dislike the notion of 'lets build a thousand Mirandas' or ' lets build a million Enquiries'. There seems to be little acknowledgement that fleets a built out of different vessels. Frigates, cruisers, escorts, destroyers, battleships, carriers, torpedo boats, anti-air, anti-sub and so on. The modular and multipurpose design of the Miranda is definitely a believable reason for the class's longevity. Being able to turn it into a crew transport, shuttle platform, science ship, or cargo haulier with ease is a great feature. But there needs to be cannon reason so many designs and so many of the most prominent positions are filled by ships of the primary /secondary type. Again not being a critic but trying to offer an alternative point of view.
love this class and I even love the Nebula even more. Always felt they were more powerful than their counter parts. Star Trek gets a lot of thing wrong either due to bad writing or depicting certain scenes wrong, so despite seeing it in the film, I have to side with them messing the scene up for obvious reasons. ST2 had a fraction of the budget ST1 had. Although maybe they are using future tech like in that one episode in Star trek Enterprise where they find a futuristic small vessel, size of a escape pod almost yet having its internal room being multiple times its actual size. You could explain that warp core scene with that. Makes more sense that way than trying to figure out how they added a vertical warp core.
Dude you should have been scooped up by paramount for this. The narrative is the only one I can think of that would give you a reason to basically rebuild an entire ship just to keep the Enterprise name.
Probably due to the Miranda being more compact, Enterprise's core runs from the secondary hull all the way to the saucer (Intermix chamber to impulse deflection crystal). It would have to be scaled down to fit for sure.
Yeah, people always seem to think ti wouldnt fit... Of course a silly argument, since there is NOTHING that says it has to be as long as the Constitution Class Refit's one...
I want to see a member of The Excelsior class in the next Picard season ferrying a high official of some kind of conference. In the current timeline anyways.
Also I don't know why I keep coming back to the idea of a Star Trek version of Booster Terrik tooling around in a clapped out old ship but this one fits that almost as well as the Ptolemy does from the modularity.
The red shirt ship that just won’t die off just keeps coming back Honestly a work horse class that just works Great vid and love to see the crazy 32nd century of this class
Jesus, I'm early enough there aren't any comments. Can't wait to see how this episode turns out! Thoughts: Holy hell, this was brilliant. The very idea that the Miranda class is why we had the Constitution Refit style (my favorite), lore wise, really sounds awesome to me. I might not really like the Miranda class (mostly out of Bias for the Connie Refit), but it definitely earned more respect from me.
I don't hate the vessel. I actually love it. But, seeing how big the vertical warp core is on the Enterprise, I think we have a scaling issue. This wouldn't be the first time a ship on Star Trek has had a scaling issue.
Could the longevity of the Miranda class (and others, like the Excelsior) be a symptom of Federation arrogance? That same arrogance has manifested itself in the Galaxy class and the idea of having families aboard starships.
The Miranda Class was superior to the Constitution class in every way; it was smaller and more maneuverable, the phasers could be used in all directions, Torpedoes could be fired front and rear, and there was no "soft spots". The neck of the constitution was so slim and long, a couple torpedoes could break the Constitution class in half making it useless. The Constitution class only had phasers on the saucer section, facing forward. The torpedoes also only facing forward. Being a larger ship, they would have to make slow 180 degree turns to keep enemy in line of fire. If attacked from side or behind, the Constitution was defenseless and just a target dummy. With the module bar on the Miranda class able to be changed out, it can equip multiple tech to completely change the ships abilities, while the Constitution was what it was and could only serve a specific purpose. Refitted during TNG era, it could hold it's own against a galaxy class. We see from the Dominion and Klingon fleets, that destroyer class vessels were very useful and just having large battleships was not always ideal. During Dominion war it was shown how galaxy class ships would be supported by Miranda Class, having quick maneuverable vessels supporting your powerful ships. Besides that, they were easier to build then galaxy, and much of the work starships did in federation was non-military so the multi-purpose Miranda class was once again superior from an economy point of view. I just think people dont like Miranda because it is not the Enterprise, if it does not have the same design as the iconic ship then it is "bad". If this was star wars I would understand, but coming from star trek fans, such a shallow and non-technical view is sad.
In the episode "Court Martial" which takes place in 2267 there is a sign that list various ship registries and one of them looks like NCC-1864. Looking at the screen shot on Memory Alpha, maybe that's 1864, maybe 1884, 1664, or 1684.
No the entire ship... If you do the math for both, you'll see that although appearing visually larger in volume then the Miranda Class, the Constitution Class refit actually has far less volume then the Miranda class!
I've always loved this ship. It's the first time we got to see a diffrent starship other than the Constitution. It was long over due to see other kinds of starships on screen.
I didn't like the look of the Miranda class when I first saw it, but it grow to me over time.
one of my 2 favorite ships. hint the other one is not the Constitution class.
This was one of the many smart ideas that the producers of Star Trek II had. Instead of going cheap and reusing the Enterprise model for Khan's ship, instead coming up with the Miranda class. Enjoyed this vid and all of your other works as well!
Thank you :)
I’ve always like the underslung warp nacelles, the Miranda and Nebula classes. Thank you for this video.
You are so welcome!
I don't like the compact look of the Nebula, but the Miranda is the best looking ship in Starfleet.
I have a model of the Defiant nothing like a compact ship that can duke it out for while
The thing I always like about the Miranda-class is its look. It's different enough that someone won't confuse it with the Constitutions, but similar enough to know the ships are in the same fleet. 🙂
I love Starship Lineage as well :)
I remember I used to not care much for Mirandas, but in more recent years I've come to really like and appreciate the brilliance in their simple yet multi-mission design. Definitely my favorite of all workhorse designs through out the lore. My favorite variant would have to be the Soyuz class though, as it's basically a much more advanced and powerful Miranda with increased hangar and internal space, allowing it a role as more of a mainline exploration vessel. As a workhorse it would logically be better with the increased cargo space. I always imagined it being a go-to shuttle delivery vessel in peacetime and fighter carrier in wartime.
This is one of the classes of Starships I love. This is also one of many ships I have in Star Trek online. Incredible job is always.
I love it too and thank you Ken :)
Definitely liked the Miranda when first seeing it in STII, it was nice to finally see a different class of starship for once, and a really slick design on top of it.
Couldn't agree more! :)
I seen the Miranda class is the US Army version of the 2.5 truck and the Excelsior class is the US Army version of the 5 ton truck.
To be fair, the Miranda core is in the rear of the hull, where there are more decks, making its vertical arrangement quite plausible.
Back when I was young, I purchased a set of blueprints for Reliant. (in the pre intraweb era before all you yununs had a phone glued to yer hands.!!!) They called it an Avenger class heavy frigate. I can't remember who produced them but they were a cool look at this class, even if the information was not the best. They called the rollbar phaser systems 'megaphasers'. Don't know what happened to my copy of the plans, but they were cool.
Ah the Miranda class.... jack of all trades, master of none, and sadly woefully ill equipped to face off against the Borg and Dominion threats, though my head cannon blamed Starfleet Command not an aging design
Yes Dan, I do believe it was Starfleet's Hubris, which made itself as a whole, unprepared! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios i agree completely!!!!
6:30 🤩🤩 I was hoping you’d mention this
I remember being told that as a kid and being unable to comprehend it, then as I got older and got more heavily thought invested into sci-fi, recognised the extended rear section of the saucer, plus the raised thicker section at the rear as well, actually containing more internal space than the constitutions secondary hull was a 🤯 moment
Which only further shows why this design lasted so damned long compared to the constitution itself
Another excellent episode!
Thank you for your hard work in bringing this class in the best yet logical light for ST fans to enjoy.
Much appreciated! And glad you enjoyed it :)
Loved this ship since the first time I saw it on the big screen at the beginning of Wrath of Kahn!
It's a great design!
There are only two starship models in my office: NCC-1701 Refit... and NCC-1864: two of the most beautiful ships of the line in Star Trek history. As someone posted earlier, if I couldn't serve on a Connie, I would want to serve on a Miranda class.
I've always loved this design. It's one of Eaglemoss's best models and I have all the Miranda variants Souyez, Reliant and one that I can't remember. The XL version of the Reliant is my favorite one.
It's a great design :)
Still my favorite starship design ever. Thanks for the video on it!
No problem!
Well done on this one. And it coveres the lack of $$$ for the Special effects the Studios gave the various trek movies and series.
CGI finally allowed more new and original ships to be rendered and it got better the cheaper the cost!
Great video always wondered about this ships history.
Its rumoured that Harve Bennett approved the design after seeing it upside down haha Truth or Myth 😉
LOL Thank you Darren, and that's actually the truth!
I flipped the image on my phone and you can see it!
Looks like a Constitution class minus the engineering hull.
there is a version with the nacelles up top.
Yep! Truth! In the special feature of STII, the designer showed the blueprint of the Reliant with the signature upside down.
Another excellent video! Love the story you've created for the class. And, of course there is a vertical intermix chamber! It's what is shown in ST:II!
LOL Thank you Eugenio!
I've always wondered if there was an ambassador class equivalent. Like the curry and nebula
I think you mean the Centaur and Nebula Classes ;) But yes, it's a question many Fans wonder ;)
I'm thinking no, we don't see anything that follows those same design cues.
My head canon mirrors what happened in real life. The Enterprise C we saw on screen doesn't match Probert's original concept. I think it was Sternbach who was asked to quickly design a new model that would be easier to build.
So in-universe, I think Starfleet needed a new capital ship, but it wasn't part of any wider project and ended up being a unique design.
Excellent. I’m glad you didn’t go for the refit story for the _Miranda_ class. I never did buy into that angle myself. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, i never really bought that idea either...
I did think that the Constitution inspired the Miranda, and that ship in turn influenced the Constitution refit. (Even though the Refit Enterprise model came first and the Reliant a couple years later.)
another great video I much enjoyed watching it
Glad you enjoyed it Vincent :)
The shear length of time some of these ship classes were in service for, (in Star Trek) is just really hard to fathom.
It would be like a modern navy still using ships from the Victorian era or something.
The Federation opted for a more modular style of ship manufacture, as a result of this, ships were not simply tossed aside for something new every time someone turned around.
Not really, the USS Enterprise (carrier) was launched in 1960 and served until 2012, or 52 years. The B-52 bomber entered service in 1955 and still serve active duty today
@@jschildress1 And are slated to serve at least until 2040, maybe longer. And they are not made of almost magical materials that are many times harder than diamond and near completely resistant to corrosion.
Modern developments have greatly slowed down new outer hull developments for successive generations of software and "under the hood" upgrades. A century and a half is still one very long time, but evidenced by the interior scenes in DS9 it's clear that the Miranda's of the 24th century are only superficially the same ships as in the 23rd.
I remember reading somewhere that the Reliant was originally upside down but was flipped to its current orientation after people thought it looked too similar to the Enterprise. If that flip never happened it's easy to imagine a timeline where there was a lot less design diversity in Starfleet ships so I'm glad it did!
That's right it was upside down when director Nicholas Meyer signed the blueprints of the model he signed on the top instead of the bottom this flipping the ship upside down very 😎 cool👍
Im sorry Kyle, you're only partially correct... It was Harve Bennett who signed for the upside down blueprints not Meyer!
Love this ship from the 1st time I saw it.
It's a great design :)
Always loved the Miranda Class! Like the car I drive ( Ford Crown Victoria ) its platform was easy to manufacture, traditional frame, sturdy, flexible to modern upgrades and uses. She may have been a "Tin Can" by the 24th Century. But, her pedigree, length of reliable service, and simplicity and effectiveness, has earned her a place in my heart! And she is a handsome gal to boot!
I had always head canoned this ship existing in a TOS style along side the Connie, mostly because it amuses me and looks kinda good that way.
I kind of flip flopped on that idea personally... But for me, it would make sense that as a test bed, Starfleet would build a new design from the ground up! So that idea won in the end :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Could be both in an alternate timeline! The class was picked as the testbed due to its inherent modularity in some elsewhere Starfleet. But I dig it.
Could be, but this is the Prime Timeline, where I had to make a choice :(
I like the idea that there was an earlier class that had the same arrangement, but the Mirandas were built from scratch rather than being a refit.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself have always loved the Miranda class design of starship's and I myself own all of the various designs of the Miranda from Eaglemoss models as well as various model kits and other various little pre-builts of the ship as well,👌.
To all those haters of the Miranda class...The class and its variants served admirably in its century of service to Starfleet and U.F.P.. Through countless routine mundane assignments and numerous battlespace engagements, a straight forward Jack of All Trades, Master of None...The definition of a workhorse space vessel.
Exactly, though tbh, I dont see many haters for the design at all ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you don't hear them because they are sent oberths
You will not see me as one hater to this class of ship. Time tested and sturdy vessel. Even in the next generation show. These ships found themselves in trouble it could take it. Though exception of this ship when this ship went into battle. The Borg and the Dominion was the exception. With this ship service a true ship of the line on the front lines.
If she wanted to master a trade all she would need is a new module up top...just like a Nebula class
🙌Say it again for the haters in the back
Fun fact , the Miranda class actually has more mass then a constitution class in a more compact design.
I really enjoyed the updated video about the Miranda, it is very informitable. Keep up the great work
Thank you Rafael!
It was the 80s. The Miranda class ship. Was the Oldsmobile delta 88 to the constitutions delta 98.😛
LOL
An old favorite:) Well Done.
Thanks George :)
Would you do a video on the Bozeman? I always thought it was a hopped up Miranda class when I was a kid
Eventually yes, I will :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks mate!
No Problem Sam :)
Miranda Class is like that first car we bought. We will always have a favorable opinion of him, even though he is small and simple. I liken my affection for Miranda Class to what some people have for the former Wolkswagen Beetle (see Herbie).
Oh hellz yeah, another Miranda Trekumentary video!! 🤘😎
Hope you enjoyed it! :)
Poor Miranda class, from work horse to flying explosion waiting to happen
LOL
Thank you. I have always liked the Miranda class of star ship. She was a good size and could pack a good punch.
Thank you very much for this nice Truth OR Myth BETA- The Miranda Class
You're very welcome :)
One of the best episodes so far.
Nice work.
More, please.
I love that you pointed out the vertical warp core... first time i saw it in star trek the motion picture on the Enterprise... i only would say its smaller of course then the Enterprises vertical warcore! Love it more then the tos warp core that led to Enterprise NX-01 possibly warp core!
Its always an issue anytime I even whisper the words Miranda Class ;) :P
Really good episode Tri!
Thank you so much Trevor :)
Beauty ship and another beauty ToM installment :)
Thank you so much Luke!
Nicely done.
Thanks!
Miranda class, Reliant module is one of my favorite space capships period.
I just love the idea of public relations playing a factor in a starships design or continuous use.
"Unidentified Federation ship, identify yourself"
"Ay ay ay ay ay ay like you verrrrrrrry much......"
"Definitely a Miranda-class ship Captain...."
The Miranda, so modular that one of its variants ended up getting its OWN class; the Soyuz.
I've always loved this ship, and I know full well there's probably a couple still flying around after 2401.
When I first saw the Wrath, I noticed the two shuttle bays at the rear of the Reliant. Since the Constitution only had one shuttle bay, I concluded , as a 10 year old, that the Miranda class was a cargo ship. I hope Star Fleet will forgive me. LOL.
No, you are hereby banished to the Tantalus Penal Colony! May whatever god you believe in, have mercy on your soul...
"KHANNNN!!!!" - Admiral James T Kirk
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kirkkkkkk
Here's where, as a fan of FASA, I think I'll take your caveat to heart, and take this video with a grain of stardust. In my gane universe, the Miranda Class is absolutely a refit, from the earlier Anton Class. I not only base this off of FASA's original entry on what they called the Reliant Class, but the novelization of Star Trek II, in which the Reliant was referred to as an old rust bucket. Still, cool video.
Next to the NX, Daedalus and Constellation Class, the Miranda Class would be a vessel I would be proud to commandeer.
It’s a simple yet versatile design and like any car it could be tuned to go faster and further.
It’s a Frigate Vessel but it could be a destroyer or explorer vessel.
There are three/four(Soyuz) variants but the classic torpedo top spoiler is the must have.
I think the class of vessel changed with the era. by DS9 it was a frigate, but when it was first introduced, it was basically the same as a connie which was a Heavy Cruiser. I think the ship class distinctions probably changed over the years.
Personally if i couldnt command a Connie i would Love to command a Miranda to me a Miranda was an awesome ship as good as any Connie =) specially when you consider what an inexperianced crew did to the Refit Enterprise in Wrath of Khan . little ship kicked the hell out of the Flag ship of the Fleet =)
LOL Indeed it did! :) But I've always wondered, if things had been equal, IE The Enterprises Shields being up, what ship would have won...
Miranda had the element of surprise on its side. 1 on 1 with both on equal grounds the Enterprise would have easily won that battle
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It ultimately would come down to who has the most experience command and tactical capabilities. Since Khan had no experience in either of those areas even though he is a quick learner, Kirk would still have the advantage. Reason is, he's been at it longer.
Im talking about equal combat... Meaning 2 Captains with equal command experience against eachother :P
Of course it did, Kirk was sloppy cauae it was a friendly ship and he was on a training run, and they hit Enterprise with shields down.
Had Reliant's inexperienced crew concentrated their fire just a little more they would have popped Enterprises' warp core and won in a single battle.
You always do great videos and I have always liked the underslung designs of the Miranda and Nebula, they are a beautiful and logical compliment to the iconic primary / secondary hull designs. But if feels like a bit of a trope to me that ' this ship came into being because that ship was old or flawed in its design. I also dislike the notion of 'lets build a thousand Mirandas' or ' lets build a million Enquiries'. There seems to be little acknowledgement that fleets a built out of different vessels. Frigates, cruisers, escorts, destroyers, battleships, carriers, torpedo boats, anti-air, anti-sub and so on. The modular and multipurpose design of the Miranda is definitely a believable reason for the class's longevity. Being able to turn it into a crew transport, shuttle platform, science ship, or cargo haulier with ease is a great feature. But there needs to be cannon reason so many designs and so many of the most prominent positions are filled by ships of the primary /secondary type. Again not being a critic but trying to offer an alternative point of view.
This type of lighter vessel is so cute, it's very flexible to lands on heavy vessel carries or spaceports.
love this class and I even love the Nebula even more. Always felt they were more powerful than their counter parts. Star Trek gets a lot of thing wrong either due to bad writing or depicting certain scenes wrong, so despite seeing it in the film, I have to side with them messing the scene up for obvious reasons. ST2 had a fraction of the budget ST1 had. Although maybe they are using future tech like in that one episode in Star trek Enterprise where they find a futuristic small vessel, size of a escape pod almost yet having its internal room being multiple times its actual size. You could explain that warp core scene with that. Makes more sense that way than trying to figure out how they added a vertical warp core.
I thought of this possibility too, after someone on a ST FB page asked about where on USS Voyager Neelix's ship could have been kept!
People really complain about the Miranda Core? Rofl! I thought it was obvious it was vertical I mean we saw it on screen haha
Indeed they do!
Dude you should have been scooped up by paramount for this. The narrative is the only one I can think of that would give you a reason to basically rebuild an entire ship just to keep the Enterprise name.
Thank you so much :)
Great video!
Did you get the info about internal space from EC HEnry's video by any chance ? ;-)
No, I did the math myself!
Question I’ve always had about the Miranda class is where is the deflector?
Miranda class is the best class.
It's a great design :)
Lovely video.
What is the problem with the vertical warp core?
Probably due to the Miranda being more compact, Enterprise's core runs from the secondary hull all the way to the saucer (Intermix chamber to impulse deflection crystal). It would have to be scaled down to fit for sure.
Yeah, people always seem to think ti wouldnt fit... Of course a silly argument, since there is NOTHING that says it has to be as long as the Constitution Class Refit's one...
I always liked the Miranda... Especially when it took the Enterprise to task lol
I want to see a member of The Excelsior class in the next Picard season ferrying a high official of some kind of conference. In the current timeline anyways.
Did you know that they could replace the weapons module on the “role bar” with a bowling alley module?
Of course I knew that, I wouldnt be a Trekpert if I didnt now would I? :P
A golden olde
Indeed :)
Love the vertical warp core disclaimer. Can’t fight the vertical core shown in wrath of Kahn
Did the Miranda not require a deflector dish?
Best starfleet ship ever
Don't you already have your own formidable vertical warp core?
You know I do ;) :P
I've always liked the Miranda class it's a really great Starship a really amazing design
I like the more compact, though still spacious, layout of the Miranda class. I would have loved to see a more updated version of it, (TNG era+)...
Also I don't know why I keep coming back to the idea of a Star Trek version of Booster Terrik tooling around in a clapped out old ship but this one fits that almost as well as the Ptolemy does from the modularity.
Long live the Miranda Class
Apparently it does ;)
1:45 well pointed out
I guess some people just don’t realise that warp cores might not be quite as tall as those in other ships? Lol
One of my favorite ships.
Weren’t there Miranda classes in service during the Dominion War?
Yes they were! Hence the Longevity comments in the video :)
Steamrunner, Nebula, then Odyssey, Akira, and Miranda.
The red shirt ship that just won’t die off just keeps coming back
Honestly a work horse class that just works
Great vid and love to see the crazy 32nd century of this class
If you joined starfleet, chances are you’ll serve on a Miranda class.
I like the enterprise refit, but the miranda class has a sleek look to it.
I love this ship!
Being smaller and more modular than Constitution Class, the Miranda class was much more dost effective.
Jesus, I'm early enough there aren't any comments. Can't wait to see how this episode turns out!
Thoughts: Holy hell, this was brilliant. The very idea that the Miranda class is why we had the Constitution Refit style (my favorite), lore wise, really sounds awesome to me. I might not really like the Miranda class (mostly out of Bias for the Connie Refit), but it definitely earned more respect from me.
Sorry what?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios oh nothing, I clicked on the video 30ish minutes after it went up, and I wasn't seeing any comments >->
Might have been UA-cam on a drunk escapade again. Either way, great episode!
LOL Must have been :P And thank you :)
Cheaper then the constitution class but a update for the aging current ships from the early 22nd century which were not aging well.
I honestly like this class more than the Constitution. Such as leak design for it's time.
I don't hate the vessel. I actually love it.
But, seeing how big the vertical warp core is on the Enterprise, I think we have a scaling issue.
This wouldn't be the first time a ship on Star Trek has had a scaling issue.
Could the longevity of the Miranda class (and others, like the Excelsior) be a symptom of Federation arrogance? That same arrogance has manifested itself in the Galaxy class and the idea of having families aboard starships.
It may be, but really, that's a subjective thing at this point...
I her prime she was a jewel!
Cut 'em off! Vertical Warp Core FTW!
Exactly!
The Miranda Class was superior to the Constitution class in every way; it was smaller and more maneuverable, the phasers could be used in all directions, Torpedoes could be fired front and rear, and there was no "soft spots". The neck of the constitution was so slim and long, a couple torpedoes could break the Constitution class in half making it useless. The Constitution class only had phasers on the saucer section, facing forward. The torpedoes also only facing forward. Being a larger ship, they would have to make slow 180 degree turns to keep enemy in line of fire. If attacked from side or behind, the Constitution was defenseless and just a target dummy. With the module bar on the Miranda class able to be changed out, it can equip multiple tech to completely change the ships abilities, while the Constitution was what it was and could only serve a specific purpose. Refitted during TNG era, it could hold it's own against a galaxy class. We see from the Dominion and Klingon fleets, that destroyer class vessels were very useful and just having large battleships was not always ideal. During Dominion war it was shown how galaxy class ships would be supported by Miranda Class, having quick maneuverable vessels supporting your powerful ships. Besides that, they were easier to build then galaxy, and much of the work starships did in federation was non-military so the multi-purpose Miranda class was once again superior from an economy point of view. I just think people dont like Miranda because it is not the Enterprise, if it does not have the same design as the iconic ship then it is "bad". If this was star wars I would understand, but coming from star trek fans, such a shallow and non-technical view is sad.
No mention of the (very similar) Soyuz Class?
No, why would there be? That's a completely different class for a future video :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios So does that mean we can expect a Soyuz Tom video sometime soon...🤞🙏
I have one question about classes like the Miranda class. Where is the navigational deflector on this ship located?
They use Deflector Emitters!
miranda is the class apon-which they are most ....Reliant
Captain of those Miranda's in the dominion war, I quit .
In the episode "Court Martial" which takes place in 2267 there is a sign that list various ship registries and one of them looks like NCC-1864. Looking at the screen shot on Memory Alpha, maybe that's 1864, maybe 1884, 1664, or 1684.
Yes? That appeared in the remastered version only as an Easter Egg. But there is no guarantee as to what class of ship that vessel belongs too!
You say it's volume was larger than the Constitution class, but you mean the Saucer only correct?
No the entire ship... If you do the math for both, you'll see that although appearing visually larger in volume then the Miranda Class, the Constitution Class refit actually has far less volume then the Miranda class!
Didn't the phaser cannons fire fore and aft? And I seem to recall to single turrets flanking the impulse engines as well in one of the model shots.
No, not that was ever shown, they only fire forward! And there were no turrets either...
But it doesn’t have a deflector dish. Why doesn’t have a deflector dish?
Because classes like this one, and the Oberth and Centaur Classes are another example of this, use Deflector Emitters, not a Dish!