(104)The Miranda Class
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Miranda Class, as first seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, I hope you enjoy!
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I've always loved this ship. It's the first time we got to see a diffrent starship other than the Constitution. It was long over due to see other kinds of starships on screen.
I didn't like the look of the Miranda class when I first saw it, but it grow to me over time.
one of my 2 favorite ships. hint the other one is not the Constitution class.
The thing I always like about the Miranda-class is its look. It's different enough that someone won't confuse it with the Constitutions, but similar enough to know the ships are in the same fleet. 🙂
I love Starship Lineage as well :)
I’ve always like the underslung warp nacelles, the Miranda and Nebula classes. Thank you for this video.
You are so welcome!
I don't like the compact look of the Nebula, but the Miranda is the best looking ship in Starfleet.
I have a model of the Defiant nothing like a compact ship that can duke it out for while
This was one of the many smart ideas that the producers of Star Trek II had. Instead of going cheap and reusing the Enterprise model for Khan's ship, instead coming up with the Miranda class. Enjoyed this vid and all of your other works as well!
Thank you :)
Definitely liked the Miranda when first seeing it in STII, it was nice to finally see a different class of starship for once, and a really slick design on top of it.
Couldn't agree more! :)
I seen the Miranda class is the US Army version of the 2.5 truck and the Excelsior class is the US Army version of the 5 ton truck.
I remember I used to not care much for Mirandas, but in more recent years I've come to really like and appreciate the brilliance in their simple yet multi-mission design. Definitely my favorite of all workhorse designs through out the lore. My favorite variant would have to be the Soyuz class though, as it's basically a much more advanced and powerful Miranda with increased hangar and internal space, allowing it a role as more of a mainline exploration vessel. As a workhorse it would logically be better with the increased cargo space. I always imagined it being a go-to shuttle delivery vessel in peacetime and fighter carrier in wartime.
This is one of the classes of Starships I love. This is also one of many ships I have in Star Trek online. Incredible job is always.
I love it too and thank you Ken :)
Ah the Miranda class.... jack of all trades, master of none, and sadly woefully ill equipped to face off against the Borg and Dominion threats, though my head cannon blamed Starfleet Command not an aging design
Yes Dan, I do believe it was Starfleet's Hubris, which made itself as a whole, unprepared! :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics i agree completely!!!!
"KHANNNN!!!!" - Admiral James T Kirk
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kirkkkkkk
Loved this ship since the first time I saw it on the big screen at the beginning of Wrath of Kahn!
It's a great design!
To all those haters of the Miranda class...The class and its variants served admirably in its century of service to Starfleet and U.F.P.. Through countless routine mundane assignments and numerous battlespace engagements, a straight forward Jack of All Trades, Master of None...The definition of a workhorse space vessel.
Exactly, though tbh, I dont see many haters for the design at all ;)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics you don't hear them because they are sent oberths
You will not see me as one hater to this class of ship. Time tested and sturdy vessel. Even in the next generation show. These ships found themselves in trouble it could take it. Though exception of this ship when this ship went into battle. The Borg and the Dominion was the exception. With this ship service a true ship of the line on the front lines.
If she wanted to master a trade all she would need is a new module up top...just like a Nebula class
🙌Say it again for the haters in the back
There are only two starship models in my office: NCC-1701 Refit... and NCC-1864: two of the most beautiful ships of the line in Star Trek history. As someone posted earlier, if I couldn't serve on a Connie, I would want to serve on a Miranda class.
Still my favorite starship design ever. Thanks for the video on it!
No problem!
Back when I was young, I purchased a set of blueprints for Reliant. (in the pre intraweb era before all you yununs had a phone glued to yer hands.!!!) They called it an Avenger class heavy frigate. I can't remember who produced them but they were a cool look at this class, even if the information was not the best. They called the rollbar phaser systems 'megaphasers'. Don't know what happened to my copy of the plans, but they were cool.
Love this ship from the 1st time I saw it.
It's a great design :)
Poor Miranda class, from work horse to flying explosion waiting to happen
LOL
Great video always wondered about this ships history.
Its rumoured that Harve Bennett approved the design after seeing it upside down haha Truth or Myth 😉
LOL Thank you Darren, and that's actually the truth!
I flipped the image on my phone and you can see it!
Looks like a Constitution class minus the engineering hull.
there is a version with the nacelles up top.
Yep! Truth! In the special feature of STII, the designer showed the blueprint of the Reliant with the signature upside down.
To be fair, the Miranda core is in the rear of the hull, where there are more decks, making its vertical arrangement quite plausible.
It was the 80s. The Miranda class ship. Was the Oldsmobile delta 88 to the constitutions delta 98.😛
LOL
Fun fact , the Miranda class actually has more mass then a constitution class in a more compact design.
I've always loved this design. It's one of Eaglemoss's best models and I have all the Miranda variants Souyez, Reliant and one that I can't remember. The XL version of the Reliant is my favorite one.
It's a great design :)
Well done on this one. And it coveres the lack of $$$ for the Special effects the Studios gave the various trek movies and series.
CGI finally allowed more new and original ships to be rendered and it got better the cheaper the cost!
I remember reading somewhere that the Reliant was originally upside down but was flipped to its current orientation after people thought it looked too similar to the Enterprise. If that flip never happened it's easy to imagine a timeline where there was a lot less design diversity in Starfleet ships so I'm glad it did!
That's right it was upside down when director Nicholas Meyer signed the blueprints of the model he signed on the top instead of the bottom this flipping the ship upside down very 😎 cool👍
Im sorry Kyle, you're only partially correct... It was Harve Bennett who signed for the upside down blueprints not Meyer!
another great video I much enjoyed watching it
Glad you enjoyed it Vincent :)
6:30 🤩🤩 I was hoping you’d mention this
I remember being told that as a kid and being unable to comprehend it, then as I got older and got more heavily thought invested into sci-fi, recognised the extended rear section of the saucer, plus the raised thicker section at the rear as well, actually containing more internal space than the constitutions secondary hull was a 🤯 moment
Which only further shows why this design lasted so damned long compared to the constitution itself
The shear length of time some of these ship classes were in service for, (in Star Trek) is just really hard to fathom.
It would be like a modern navy still using ships from the Victorian era or something.
The Federation opted for a more modular style of ship manufacture, as a result of this, ships were not simply tossed aside for something new every time someone turned around.
Not really, the USS Enterprise (carrier) was launched in 1960 and served until 2012, or 52 years. The B-52 bomber entered service in 1955 and still serve active duty today
@@jschildress1 And are slated to serve at least until 2040, maybe longer. And they are not made of almost magical materials that are many times harder than diamond and near completely resistant to corrosion.
Modern developments have greatly slowed down new outer hull developments for successive generations of software and "under the hood" upgrades. A century and a half is still one very long time, but evidenced by the interior scenes in DS9 it's clear that the Miranda's of the 24th century are only superficially the same ships as in the 23rd.
I had always head canoned this ship existing in a TOS style along side the Connie, mostly because it amuses me and looks kinda good that way.
I kind of flip flopped on that idea personally... But for me, it would make sense that as a test bed, Starfleet would build a new design from the ground up! So that idea won in the end :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Could be both in an alternate timeline! The class was picked as the testbed due to its inherent modularity in some elsewhere Starfleet. But I dig it.
Could be, but this is the Prime Timeline, where I had to make a choice :(
I like the idea that there was an earlier class that had the same arrangement, but the Mirandas were built from scratch rather than being a refit.
Another excellent episode!
Thank you for your hard work in bringing this class in the best yet logical light for ST fans to enjoy.
Much appreciated! And glad you enjoyed it :)
Nicely done.
Thanks!
This type of lighter vessel is so cute, it's very flexible to lands on heavy vessel carries or spaceports.
The Miranda, so modular that one of its variants ended up getting its OWN class; the Soyuz.
I've always loved this ship, and I know full well there's probably a couple still flying around after 2401.
Excellent. I’m glad you didn’t go for the refit story for the _Miranda_ class. I never did buy into that angle myself. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, i never really bought that idea either...
I did think that the Constitution inspired the Miranda, and that ship in turn influenced the Constitution refit. (Even though the Refit Enterprise model came first and the Reliant a couple years later.)
I've always wondered if there was an ambassador class equivalent. Like the curry and nebula
I think you mean the Centaur and Nebula Classes ;) But yes, it's a question many Fans wonder ;)
I'm thinking no, we don't see anything that follows those same design cues.
My head canon mirrors what happened in real life. The Enterprise C we saw on screen doesn't match Probert's original concept. I think it was Sternbach who was asked to quickly design a new model that would be easier to build.
So in-universe, I think Starfleet needed a new capital ship, but it wasn't part of any wider project and ended up being a unique design.
Another excellent video! Love the story you've created for the class. And, of course there is a vertical intermix chamber! It's what is shown in ST:II!
LOL Thank you Eugenio!
I just love the idea of public relations playing a factor in a starships design or continuous use.
Thank you very much for this nice Truth OR Myth BETA- The Miranda Class
You're very welcome :)
Always loved the Miranda Class! Like the car I drive ( Ford Crown Victoria ) its platform was easy to manufacture, traditional frame, sturdy, flexible to modern upgrades and uses. She may have been a "Tin Can" by the 24th Century. But, her pedigree, length of reliable service, and simplicity and effectiveness, has earned her a place in my heart! And she is a handsome gal to boot!
Miranda Class is like that first car we bought. We will always have a favorable opinion of him, even though he is small and simple. I liken my affection for Miranda Class to what some people have for the former Wolkswagen Beetle (see Herbie).
Beauty ship and another beauty ToM installment :)
Thank you so much Luke!
Oh hellz yeah, another Miranda Trekumentary video!! 🤘😎
Hope you enjoyed it! :)
People really complain about the Miranda Core? Rofl! I thought it was obvious it was vertical I mean we saw it on screen haha
Indeed they do!
Personally if i couldnt command a Connie i would Love to command a Miranda to me a Miranda was an awesome ship as good as any Connie =) specially when you consider what an inexperianced crew did to the Refit Enterprise in Wrath of Khan . little ship kicked the hell out of the Flag ship of the Fleet =)
LOL Indeed it did! :) But I've always wondered, if things had been equal, IE The Enterprises Shields being up, what ship would have won...
Miranda had the element of surprise on its side. 1 on 1 with both on equal grounds the Enterprise would have easily won that battle
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics It ultimately would come down to who has the most experience command and tactical capabilities. Since Khan had no experience in either of those areas even though he is a quick learner, Kirk would still have the advantage. Reason is, he's been at it longer.
Im talking about equal combat... Meaning 2 Captains with equal command experience against eachother :P
Of course it did, Kirk was sloppy cauae it was a friendly ship and he was on a training run, and they hit Enterprise with shields down.
Had Reliant's inexperienced crew concentrated their fire just a little more they would have popped Enterprises' warp core and won in a single battle.
An old favorite:) Well Done.
Thanks George :)
Really good episode Tri!
Thank you so much Trevor :)
One of the best episodes so far.
Nice work.
More, please.
Would you do a video on the Bozeman? I always thought it was a hopped up Miranda class when I was a kid
Eventually yes, I will :)
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Thanks mate!
No Problem Sam :)
"Unidentified Federation ship, identify yourself"
"Ay ay ay ay ay ay like you verrrrrrrry much......"
"Definitely a Miranda-class ship Captain...."
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And I myself have always loved the Miranda class design of starship's and I myself own all of the various designs of the Miranda from Eaglemoss models as well as various model kits and other various little pre-builts of the ship as well,👌.
Miranda class is the best class.
It's a great design :)
I remember seeing Beta-source pictures of a TOS-style Miranda (with the old nacelles etc.) which IMHO made sense, seeing the Miranda was to the Connie what the Nebula was to the Galaxy or the Luna to the Souvereign.
In todays terms: It makes sense that VW uses it's new platforms first as a Skoda or SEAT before using them on the "premium image" german names like VW and Audi.
I disagree completely with this comment... The TOS Beta Pics that you probably saw came LONG after ST2 by decades... And to me, it seems more like a lot of Fan Service and wishful thinking as in Real life, we tend to test out new Tech in smaller vessels, less complex designs before expanding upon it and bringing out the top of the line!
When I first saw the Wrath, I noticed the two shuttle bays at the rear of the Reliant. Since the Constitution only had one shuttle bay, I concluded , as a 10 year old, that the Miranda class was a cargo ship. I hope Star Fleet will forgive me. LOL.
No, you are hereby banished to the Tantalus Penal Colony! May whatever god you believe in, have mercy on your soul...
I love that you pointed out the vertical warp core... first time i saw it in star trek the motion picture on the Enterprise... i only would say its smaller of course then the Enterprises vertical warcore! Love it more then the tos warp core that led to Enterprise NX-01 possibly warp core!
Its always an issue anytime I even whisper the words Miranda Class ;) :P
One of my favorite ships.
You always do great videos and I have always liked the underslung designs of the Miranda and Nebula, they are a beautiful and logical compliment to the iconic primary / secondary hull designs. But if feels like a bit of a trope to me that ' this ship came into being because that ship was old or flawed in its design. I also dislike the notion of 'lets build a thousand Mirandas' or ' lets build a million Enquiries'. There seems to be little acknowledgement that fleets a built out of different vessels. Frigates, cruisers, escorts, destroyers, battleships, carriers, torpedo boats, anti-air, anti-sub and so on. The modular and multipurpose design of the Miranda is definitely a believable reason for the class's longevity. Being able to turn it into a crew transport, shuttle platform, science ship, or cargo haulier with ease is a great feature. But there needs to be cannon reason so many designs and so many of the most prominent positions are filled by ships of the primary /secondary type. Again not being a critic but trying to offer an alternative point of view.
Love the vertical warp core disclaimer. Can’t fight the vertical core shown in wrath of Kahn
I really enjoyed the updated video about the Miranda, it is very informitable. Keep up the great work
Thank you Rafael!
Miranda class, Reliant module is one of my favorite space capships period.
Next to the NX, Daedalus and Constellation Class, the Miranda Class would be a vessel I would be proud to commandeer.
It’s a simple yet versatile design and like any car it could be tuned to go faster and further.
It’s a Frigate Vessel but it could be a destroyer or explorer vessel.
There are three/four(Soyuz) variants but the classic torpedo top spoiler is the must have.
I think the class of vessel changed with the era. by DS9 it was a frigate, but when it was first introduced, it was basically the same as a connie which was a Heavy Cruiser. I think the ship class distinctions probably changed over the years.
A golden olde
Indeed :)
Steamrunner, Nebula, then Odyssey, Akira, and Miranda.
The red shirt ship that just won’t die off just keeps coming back
Honestly a work horse class that just works
Great vid and love to see the crazy 32nd century of this class
Dude you should have been scooped up by paramount for this. The narrative is the only one I can think of that would give you a reason to basically rebuild an entire ship just to keep the Enterprise name.
Thank you so much :)
I've always liked the Miranda class it's a really great Starship a really amazing design
I always liked the Miranda... Especially when it took the Enterprise to task lol
Best starfleet ship ever
I like the more compact, though still spacious, layout of the Miranda class. I would have loved to see a more updated version of it, (TNG era+)...
love this class and I even love the Nebula even more. Always felt they were more powerful than their counter parts. Star Trek gets a lot of thing wrong either due to bad writing or depicting certain scenes wrong, so despite seeing it in the film, I have to side with them messing the scene up for obvious reasons. ST2 had a fraction of the budget ST1 had. Although maybe they are using future tech like in that one episode in Star trek Enterprise where they find a futuristic small vessel, size of a escape pod almost yet having its internal room being multiple times its actual size. You could explain that warp core scene with that. Makes more sense that way than trying to figure out how they added a vertical warp core.
I thought of this possibility too, after someone on a ST FB page asked about where on USS Voyager Neelix's ship could have been kept!
If you joined starfleet, chances are you’ll serve on a Miranda class.
I like the enterprise refit, but the miranda class has a sleek look to it.
Long live the Miranda Class
Apparently it does ;)
Being smaller and more modular than Constitution Class, the Miranda class was much more dost effective.
I love this ship!
I want to see a member of The Excelsior class in the next Picard season ferrying a high official of some kind of conference. In the current timeline anyways.
I honestly like this class more than the Constitution. Such as leak design for it's time.
I her prime she was a jewel!
Jesus, I'm early enough there aren't any comments. Can't wait to see how this episode turns out!
Thoughts: Holy hell, this was brilliant. The very idea that the Miranda class is why we had the Constitution Refit style (my favorite), lore wise, really sounds awesome to me. I might not really like the Miranda class (mostly out of Bias for the Connie Refit), but it definitely earned more respect from me.
Sorry what?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics oh nothing, I clicked on the video 30ish minutes after it went up, and I wasn't seeing any comments >->
Might have been UA-cam on a drunk escapade again. Either way, great episode!
LOL Must have been :P And thank you :)
Cut 'em off! Vertical Warp Core FTW!
Exactly!
I don't hate the vessel. I actually love it.
But, seeing how big the vertical warp core is on the Enterprise, I think we have a scaling issue.
This wouldn't be the first time a ship on Star Trek has had a scaling issue.
The Miranda Class was superior to the Constitution class in every way; it was smaller and more maneuverable, the phasers could be used in all directions, Torpedoes could be fired front and rear, and there was no "soft spots". The neck of the constitution was so slim and long, a couple torpedoes could break the Constitution class in half making it useless. The Constitution class only had phasers on the saucer section, facing forward. The torpedoes also only facing forward. Being a larger ship, they would have to make slow 180 degree turns to keep enemy in line of fire. If attacked from side or behind, the Constitution was defenseless and just a target dummy. With the module bar on the Miranda class able to be changed out, it can equip multiple tech to completely change the ships abilities, while the Constitution was what it was and could only serve a specific purpose. Refitted during TNG era, it could hold it's own against a galaxy class. We see from the Dominion and Klingon fleets, that destroyer class vessels were very useful and just having large battleships was not always ideal. During Dominion war it was shown how galaxy class ships would be supported by Miranda Class, having quick maneuverable vessels supporting your powerful ships. Besides that, they were easier to build then galaxy, and much of the work starships did in federation was non-military so the multi-purpose Miranda class was once again superior from an economy point of view. I just think people dont like Miranda because it is not the Enterprise, if it does not have the same design as the iconic ship then it is "bad". If this was star wars I would understand, but coming from star trek fans, such a shallow and non-technical view is sad.
Also I don't know why I keep coming back to the idea of a Star Trek version of Booster Terrik tooling around in a clapped out old ship but this one fits that almost as well as the Ptolemy does from the modularity.
1:45 well pointed out
I guess some people just don’t realise that warp cores might not be quite as tall as those in other ships? Lol
miranda is the class apon-which they are most ....Reliant
Captain of those Miranda's in the dominion war, I quit .
Great video!
Did you get the info about internal space from EC HEnry's video by any chance ? ;-)
No, I did the math myself!
Based on a few older stories/info Mr Scott is the person responsible for the vertical warp core. Since it caused increase in power and stability.
Cheaper then the constitution class but a update for the aging current ships from the early 22nd century which were not aging well.
Could the longevity of the Miranda class (and others, like the Excelsior) be a symptom of Federation arrogance? That same arrogance has manifested itself in the Galaxy class and the idea of having families aboard starships.
It may be, but really, that's a subjective thing at this point...
Nice video, and a good story too. I like the idea of the Enterprise refit as being a propaganda move by Starfleet, but in my "head" canon, the refit came first (with Scotty leading the design team) and with the Enterprise's refit success, the Miranda was born from using Scotty's new design ideas. I read Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise a long long time ago and it stayed with me. :-)
Thats the big problem with Beta Canon, it is always so contradictory! I love Mr Scott's Guide, but to me, it seems a little to "fan servicey!"
I like to think Larry Marvick was Project Manager during a sane moment. She was a tactically superior starship. Built for battle. From a forward perspective, she presented the least possible cross section to an opponent, a design successfully used for decades by the Klingons and the Romulans.
Don't you already have your own formidable vertical warp core?
You know I do ;) :P
In the episode "Court Martial" which takes place in 2267 there is a sign that list various ship registries and one of them looks like NCC-1864. Looking at the screen shot on Memory Alpha, maybe that's 1864, maybe 1884, 1664, or 1684.
Yes? That appeared in the remastered version only as an Easter Egg. But there is no guarantee as to what class of ship that vessel belongs too!
Did you know that they could replace the weapons module on the “role bar” with a bowling alley module?
Of course I knew that, I wouldnt be a Trekpert if I didnt now would I? :P
Question I’ve always had about the Miranda class is where is the deflector?
Lovely video.
What is the problem with the vertical warp core?
Probably due to the Miranda being more compact, Enterprise's core runs from the secondary hull all the way to the saucer (Intermix chamber to impulse deflection crystal). It would have to be scaled down to fit for sure.
Yeah, people always seem to think ti wouldnt fit... Of course a silly argument, since there is NOTHING that says it has to be as long as the Constitution Class Refit's one...
Did the Miranda not require a deflector dish?
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:)
She's a beau I'll take 50 of them.
Weren’t there Miranda classes in service during the Dominion War?
Yes they were! Hence the Longevity comments in the video :)
You know I seem to remember a deck by deck volume comparison between the miranda an a connie, and the miranda actually hade more internal volume. As for the warp core, I believe the actual name is the linear warp core.
Its referred to as both actually, that's why I said affectionately nick named the vertical warp core :P And I did say in the video the Miranda had more internal volume... :P