@3:10 Dr Johnson appears stunned by the full compliment of the putrefaction emanating from the SDA president. Where Dr Johnson among his co-religionists, I'm sure he would have applauded such obvious lunacy.
I have other problems with this group. When I studied with them briefly, I asked questions that they did not like and I was pulled aside for a one on one study. I was told that they believe that Michael the archangel had done such a good job for God that he was promoted to the position of becoming the Son of God or in other words Jesus. This would make Jesus a created being and not God at the time of creation. Next I was told that if I did not worship on the sabbath that I could not be saved. That puts us back under the law and not under grace. Thirdly, I was told that eternity in the Bible does not mean forever. They taught that Hell is not for eternity and the people sent there will in the future cease to exist. Worse yet they also said that those that go to heaven at some future time will also cease to exist. If that were true, that would make Jesus a liar because he said that he will keep (not keep for awhile and then get rid of) all that God gives to Him. They worship a different Jesus, they live under the law, and they call Jesus a liar. There is no way that those who teach those things are not a cult.
Doug Turner is producing false statements. My question to him is, from which Adventist Statement of Belief does Turner copied what he stated about the Arch angel? 🙂
If you're talking about SDA's then the folks you were with, were one crazy un-fundamental group! Consider these SDA Beliefs: - SDA's believe Jesus is Michael, yes, but that Michael the Archangel is a title that defines Jesus as the Divine Son of God and ruler of the angels. SDA's do not believe Jesus is a Created being, they believe He is the Creator. - SDA's believe that people who REFUSE to Obey God will be lost, yes, including the Sabbath; Although there will be Sunday keepers in Heaven, those who followed the Light of Truth to the best of their knowledge and had no opportunity to understand His Sabbath...... but..... when Sunday Laws are enforced again, then many Sunday Keeping Christians will refuse to Obey God's Sabbath and Keep Sunday by man's law - Mark of the Beast.... only in this sense will Sabbath breakers be lost, when they choose to worship man, instead of God. - When we are "under law" we are condemned by it because of our sins... In Christ, we are no longer "under the law, but under Grace" (Rom. 6:14,15) In Christ there is no condemnation (Rom. 8:1.) In FACT: His Holy Spirit writes His Ten Comms. in our hearts (2 Cor. 3:3/ Heb. 8:8-11) - New Covenant. - OBEYING His Law is Loving FAITH - " For this is the LOVE of God, that we KEEP His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3 - Hell FIRE is not for eternity, but the RESULTS of Hell Fire is ETERNAL; Notice: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha... suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE." Jude 1:7 - Sodom and Gomorrha are NOT BURING TODAY they experienced the results of "eternal fire".... "... turning... the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ASHES." 2 Peter 2:6 Also the wicked destroyed by "eternal fire" will also be turned to ashes: "“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall BURN THEM UP, .. for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet. " Malachi 4:1-3 In Hell Fire, the wicked are: "burned up" and turned into "ashes". The EFFECT of Eternal Fire is ETERNAL - it is the SMOKE of their torment that ascends forever (Rev. 14:11) - the effects are eternal. IF.... these people whom you're speaking of were indeed SDA's then I'd say, as a 7th generation SDA, that either you were NOT LISTENING... or.... they were one crazy un-fundamental group. To you personally, may God Bless you in your search of Truth! Obey His Commandments and Know His Peace!
Dr Johnson for all his supposed scholarship, reveals himself to be palpably inefficient and inadequate when subjected to the mildest cross examination.
@@thenowchurch6419 He's not "scared", he was tired of their puerile line of questioning; In the first part John Ankerburg was asking a question about someone's statement on EGW. this is not Fundamental Beliefs, any person can dig up millions of statements from individual SDA's and find varying understandings on any given subject.... John would quote the Fundamental Belief (which was good), but then compare it to what "some" SDA person may have said... I can do that kind of sloppy accusation with any Church... if you're going to debate, then debate the person who said what he said, or the Fundamental Belief... that would be a sensible debate. Don't know if you noticed or not, how a couple of times, Johnsson tried to redirect both John and Walter to the Fundamental Beliefs which ARE the foundational beliefs of the SDA Church, but neither of them seemed to want to go there.... they were content to stay with their myriads of questionable statements from individual SDA's.... probably feeling confident that their attacks against SDA's would appear more substantial this way. This was not a "debate" but an ambush. Do you understand that Walter Martin believed the SDA Church was a cult, but felt it his Christian duty to confirm it and then call it's members out of the SDA Church accordingly: " ... Come out of her My people... " Rev. 18:5 ? Dr. Martin established the Christian Research Institute and with the aid of the great Dr. Donald Barnhouse, they studied Adventism for nearly 10 years; After 5 years Martin's book, Kingdom of the Cults, came out and there was a chp. on SDA's.... which contained a one line disclaimer: " unlike other cults it is possible to be a Seventh Day Adventist and be a born again Christian." That's quite a disclaimer for calling a Church a Cult, for if it's members can be born again, then how is it cult? Martin was already unsure whether SDA's were a cult or not. At the end of Martin's and Barnhouse's research, they concluded that the SDA Church was indeed a Christian Church and not a cult as he once believed; The 2nd Edition: "Kingdom of the Cults" came out and the chp on SDA's was removed; Christainity Today published an article on Martin's conclusion and said: " then let the SDA's be welcomed as a Christian Brother " Dr. Martin had to walk it back. He was embarrassed. In the beginning of this "debate" Martin confessed his findings that SDA's are Christian.... so his attacks seems to have a hint of trying to save face buy digging up any dirt he could .... but it was never the SDA's Church's fault that he thought it was a cult, it was his own misunderstanding. To your comment: Dr. Johnsson is well able to defend his beliefs in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA Church; His expressions were not of fear, but of silent incredulity at their puerile line of questioning. This was not a debate; It was an ambush.
2:06 - If scriptures test the spiritual gift and the prophet has been shown, by scripture, to be false - then that should end the debate. Many - if not all - of Ellen White's predictions failed concerning the state of the world and the return of Christ. She is also on record and in print denying the deity of Christ. According to this scriptural test, she has failed and failed miserably. - Deuteronomy 18:22 - "If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
5:10 - not true, because Crozier renounced his belief in the 1844 idea that Hiram Edson invented, yet it was Ellen white who said she was "shown" by God that Crozier had the "true light" about 1844 and the sanctuary and THAT is why it stuck. Crozier had denounced the idea as unscriptural, Ellen White's backing it as a supposed 'prophet' and mouthpiece for God is the ONLY reason 1844 and the Investigative Judgement exist. It was her way to say that she was not wrong for following William Miller and believing his false date setting and twisting of the scriptures and prophecies of Daniel.
When the earthly tabernacle was established , of course the high priest went into the Holly of Hollies to begin ministry, The same way, Jesus went into the most Holly place to establish his ministry, God established judgement in a very orderly manner to proceed a delicate with no doubt of His Love and righteous way to clear all fear thoughts from his creatures , So its true that Jesus entered the Holly place to start the cleansing of Sin and save his chosen.Just as the high priest did in time of moses.
This Dr Johnson is such a horrible study. @13:50 when pushed he admits that the judgement of Hebrews 9 and the one he makes reference to regarding Paul is not to determine eternal destiny. However Dr Johnson claims that the investigative judgement which according to Adventism and Ellen White will determine eternal destiny. Dr Johnson is all over the place and his witness is a shameless irrelevance.
@aurelio milaor cabal stop with that the apostals gather every first day of the week and it was the jewish people that observed the Sabbath you know that word that is in hebrew that is the old law Christ came to put in place the new covenant for all people.remember when Christ tells them to spread the gospel to every creature in Mark 16:15 that did not happen untill the death and resurrection and ascend of our Lord now that has been fulfilled he said it is done no more old law. No i am not a Catholic they follow doctrine of man
Bammmm! God bless the memory of Walter Martin
Dr Johnson is the editor of the Adventist review and cannot even defend his own publication... How sas.
I miss walter Martin
SDA GUY BETTER NOT SAY ANYTHING STUPID 😂😂 HE'LL BE REMOVED
@3:10 Dr Johnson appears stunned by the full compliment of the putrefaction emanating from the SDA president.
Where Dr Johnson among his co-religionists, I'm sure he would have applauded such obvious lunacy.
I have other problems with this group. When I studied with them briefly, I asked questions that they did not like and I was pulled aside for a one on one study. I was told that they believe that Michael the archangel had done such a good job for God that he was promoted to the position of becoming the Son of God or in other words Jesus. This would make Jesus a created being and not God at the time of creation. Next I was told that if I did not worship on the sabbath that I could not be saved. That puts us back under the law and not under grace. Thirdly, I was told that eternity in the Bible does not mean forever. They taught that Hell is not for eternity and the people sent there will in the future cease to exist. Worse yet they also said that those that go to heaven at some future time will also cease to exist. If that were true, that would make Jesus a liar because he said that he will keep (not keep for awhile and then get rid of) all that God gives to Him. They worship a different Jesus, they live under the law, and they call Jesus a liar. There is no way that those who teach those things are not a cult.
The SDA movement is a scam.
@@ezranwosu6687 Amen
Doug Turner is producing false statements. My question to him is, from which Adventist Statement of Belief does Turner copied what he stated about the Arch angel? 🙂
If you're talking about SDA's then the folks you were with, were one crazy un-fundamental group!
Consider these SDA Beliefs:
- SDA's believe Jesus is Michael, yes, but that Michael the Archangel is a title that defines Jesus as the Divine Son of God and ruler of the angels.
SDA's do not believe Jesus is a Created being, they believe He is the Creator.
- SDA's believe that people who REFUSE to Obey God will be lost, yes, including the Sabbath; Although there will be Sunday keepers in Heaven, those who followed the Light of Truth to the best of their knowledge and had no opportunity to understand His Sabbath...... but..... when Sunday Laws are enforced again, then many Sunday Keeping Christians will refuse to Obey God's Sabbath and Keep Sunday by man's law - Mark of the Beast.... only in this sense will Sabbath breakers be lost, when they choose to worship man, instead of God.
- When we are "under law" we are condemned by it because of our sins... In Christ, we are no longer "under the law, but under Grace" (Rom. 6:14,15)
In Christ there is no condemnation (Rom. 8:1.) In FACT: His Holy Spirit writes His Ten Comms. in our hearts (2 Cor. 3:3/ Heb. 8:8-11) - New Covenant.
- OBEYING His Law is Loving FAITH - " For this is the LOVE of God, that we KEEP His Commandments:
and His Commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3
- Hell FIRE is not for eternity, but the RESULTS of Hell Fire is ETERNAL;
Notice: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha... suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE." Jude 1:7 - Sodom and Gomorrha are NOT BURING TODAY they experienced the results of "eternal fire".... "... turning... the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ASHES." 2 Peter 2:6
Also the wicked destroyed by "eternal fire" will also be turned to ashes:
"“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly,
shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall BURN THEM UP, ..
for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet. " Malachi 4:1-3
In Hell Fire, the wicked are: "burned up" and turned into "ashes". The EFFECT of Eternal Fire is ETERNAL - it is the SMOKE of their torment that ascends forever (Rev. 14:11) - the effects are eternal.
IF.... these people whom you're speaking of were indeed SDA's then I'd say, as a 7th generation SDA, that either you were NOT LISTENING... or.... they were one crazy un-fundamental group.
To you personally, may God Bless you in your search of Truth!
Obey His Commandments and Know His Peace!
Dr Johnson for all his supposed scholarship, reveals himself to be palpably inefficient and inadequate when subjected to the mildest cross examination.
SDA guy looks a wee bit uncomfortable.
look at them, so undivided. Really, there has been no change at all in their doctrines
He is clearly scared and unable to defend his cult.
If he had been a Swedenborgian he would be fine.
@Charisma 101 The real nutcases are the ones that follow her religiously.
Well, that's what happens when cornered by your own writings.
@@thenowchurch6419 He's not "scared", he was tired of their puerile line of questioning; In the first part John Ankerburg was asking a question about someone's statement on EGW. this is not Fundamental Beliefs, any person can dig up millions of statements from individual SDA's and find varying understandings on any given subject.... John would quote the Fundamental Belief (which was good), but then compare it to what "some" SDA person may have said... I can do that kind of sloppy accusation with any Church... if you're going to debate, then debate the person who said what he said, or the Fundamental Belief... that would be a sensible debate.
Don't know if you noticed or not, how a couple of times, Johnsson tried to redirect both John and Walter to the Fundamental Beliefs which ARE the foundational beliefs of the SDA Church, but neither of them seemed to want to go there.... they were content to stay with their myriads of questionable statements from individual SDA's.... probably feeling confident that their attacks against SDA's would appear more substantial this way.
This was not a "debate" but an ambush.
Do you understand that Walter Martin believed the SDA Church was a cult, but felt it his Christian duty to confirm it and then call it's members out of the SDA Church accordingly: " ... Come out of her My people... " Rev. 18:5 ?
Dr. Martin established the Christian Research Institute and with the aid of the great Dr. Donald Barnhouse, they studied Adventism for nearly 10 years; After 5 years Martin's book, Kingdom of the Cults, came out and there was a chp. on SDA's.... which contained a one line disclaimer: " unlike other cults it is possible to be a Seventh Day Adventist and be a born again Christian." That's quite a disclaimer for calling a Church a Cult, for if it's members can be born again, then how is it cult? Martin was already unsure whether SDA's were a cult or not.
At the end of Martin's and Barnhouse's research, they concluded that the SDA Church was indeed a Christian Church and not a cult as he once believed; The 2nd Edition: "Kingdom of the Cults" came out and the chp on SDA's was removed; Christainity Today published an article on Martin's conclusion and said: " then let the SDA's be welcomed as a Christian Brother "
Dr. Martin had to walk it back. He was embarrassed.
In the beginning of this "debate" Martin confessed his findings that SDA's are Christian.... so his attacks seems to have a hint of trying to save face buy digging up any dirt he could .... but it was never the SDA's Church's fault that he thought it was a cult, it was his own misunderstanding.
To your comment: Dr. Johnsson is well able to defend his beliefs in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA Church; His expressions were not of fear, but of silent incredulity at their puerile line of questioning.
This was not a debate; It was an ambush.
2:06 - If scriptures test the spiritual gift and the prophet has been shown, by scripture, to be false - then that should end the debate. Many - if not all - of Ellen White's predictions failed concerning the state of the world and the return of Christ. She is also on record and in print denying the deity of Christ. According to this scriptural test, she has failed and failed miserably. - Deuteronomy 18:22 - "If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
@14:00 Excuse me Dr Johnson if salvation is a gift, onc accepted it cannot then be withdrawn under any circumstance.
God's gift is irrevocable and not to be repented of. That sounds pretty plain I think. GOD bless
Can be rejected by the recipient for another faith, later in life too.
5:10 - not true, because Crozier renounced his belief in the 1844 idea that Hiram Edson invented, yet it was Ellen white who said she was "shown" by God that Crozier had the "true light" about 1844 and the sanctuary and THAT is why it stuck. Crozier had denounced the idea as unscriptural, Ellen White's backing it as a supposed 'prophet' and mouthpiece for God is the ONLY reason 1844 and the Investigative Judgement exist. It was her way to say that she was not wrong for following William Miller and believing his false date setting and twisting of the scriptures and prophecies of Daniel.
When the earthly tabernacle was established , of course the high priest went into the Holly of Hollies to begin ministry, The same way, Jesus went into the most Holly place to establish his ministry, God established judgement in a very orderly manner to proceed a delicate with no doubt of His Love and righteous way to clear all fear thoughts from his creatures , So its true that Jesus entered the Holly place to start the cleansing of Sin and save his chosen.Just as the high priest did in time of moses.
Hebrews chapter 9 and after that we have to dismiss egw right away i never thought about this but doctor Walter is correct
Mathiue 4 years ago says he does not understand Walter Martin. You must be a Seventh Day Adventist. How can you understand the truth?
This Dr Johnson is such a horrible study. @13:50 when pushed he admits that the judgement of Hebrews 9 and the one he makes reference to regarding Paul is not to determine eternal destiny.
However Dr Johnson claims that the investigative judgement which according to Adventism and Ellen White will determine eternal destiny.
Dr Johnson is all over the place and his witness is a shameless irrelevance.
4 - 20 - 23
Adventistm is Mormonism
What they say in the fundamentals is a lie. Sister White is the same as the Pope for Adventist.
yes dr mairtin quote
I'm afraid we are led by preachers like these, they are scared of the Bible when we are to led by it.
Johnsson is either clueless or he is lying, either way it's bad. Follow Jesus and His Word only, it's safer!
My delusion VS your delusion
PLEASE LISTEN TO BEST MAN OF GOD FOR THE DAY IN AGE GINO JENNINGS! (THE TRUTHOFGOD)!!! HE TEACHISH HOLINESS . that the Only thing GOD WANTS US TO BE!
@aurelio milaor cabal stop with that the apostals gather every first day of the week and it was the jewish people that observed the Sabbath you know that word that is in hebrew that is the old law Christ came to put in place the new covenant for all people.remember when Christ tells them to spread the gospel to every creature in Mark 16:15 that did not happen untill the death and resurrection and ascend of our Lord now that has been fulfilled he said it is done no more old law. No i am not a Catholic they follow doctrine of man
Dr Johnson does such a poor job running interference for SDA leadership.
Hard to argue with Scripture.