Your Next TINY CHAINSAW - Let me Help you DECIDE! Gas vs Electric by ECHO
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- I personally think this is the COOLEST and BEST #chainsaw demo you are going to find comparing the @ECHOTools CS-2511T and the DCS-2500T Top Handle Chainsaws for your #homestead or #farm.
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When it comes to top handle chainsaws, I would apply common sense. If I am a homeowner, who may use a top handle chainsaw once or twice a year, the electric chainsaw may be the better option. If the electric saw sits for a year or two, It will still run without issues. Batteries may need some TLC at times, however. If I did tree service cutting for a living & my top handle saw may be used daily or multiple times per day, I would lean towards the gas powered unit. Mixing some gas might be easier than maintaining batteries Most likely, the gas is already there for the larger saws. It's not about which saw is better? It's about which saw is the best for your situation? If a company gives you them for free, own both! 🙂
Thanks for sharing. I am going to test both of these in the tree coming up shortly! Thank you again friend!
A perfect use for an electric is when you're up a tree and trying to talk to a ground crew. So good to have quiet then.
You know, that makes a lot of sense! I appreciate that particular comment. You could have those cool mic systems in the helmets and still here some stuff with the electric saw running too! Right on. I have a climb coming up shortly and will be testing these saws in the tree.
I have a 2511 my first echo. I love that little bugger!! Most my saws are Still and Husky but am taking a closer look at echo. Have a great day.
Congratulations! Have you run it much yet? Have you noticed a break in time frame?
Good one Joe. The battery seems to be strong. It will be interesting to see the run time on the electric chainsaw. The low noise level compared to gas powersaw would be welcomed in a close-knit neighborhood.
I am going to take it into the tree pretty soon. I am hoping to have an action cam by then as well. Thank you Kenny for being here once again sir!
Very cool and handy saws. That DCS-2500 is impressive! The break in period is about the only thing I'm not crazy about with Echo. But they last and last, so guess I'll deal with that in trade for a long service life😁
Indeed. I am not sure it really is a drawback. I think really the only person it hurts is when you have expectations right? I think that the saws run well and really start to open up. Also, you know I have said this many times. They take some time to properly get hot enough to run at their peak as well. Thank you AP for watching another sir!
@@oakiewoodsman yeah, no accurate bench tuning with Echo saws👍🏻
@@oakiewoodsman ua-cam.com/users/shortsCNbp2n6ALMk?si=XRZwEJAiCC1oGTbz
Side boards look good on the trailer.
Appreciated sir! First to notice and comment about it. The slabs came from the pine that I hauled up to Rockhill farm and milled with his Woodland Mills setup.
👍👍 very interesting and surprising. I think you’ll find the 2511 will smooth out with more chain speed, even with the 3/8 lp. Would be interesting to see how much quicker it is with the nano chain.
Indeed! We all know the story on ECHO, run the crud out of it and it finally loosens up a bit. From testing perspective, that makes is very hard to show their actual capabilities as it would take a TON of cutting to get through 10 tanks or so on the 2511T. I am super excited to test the Nano Chain and has Indiana Doug commented earlier, there are even more chain variations out there but I cannot say that I know enough about it to really shed light on it.
It is interesting that ECHO has a separate PN for the 3/8 (2511T) and the nano .325 (2511TN). This 2500T is so good, if the Nano chain proves to be beneficial, I wonder if the the 2500 could be converted too. Things I will try to find out!
Seem like sweet little saws. My closest Echo dealer is 100 miles away in Spokane so it doesn't really make sense for me. But I do have a Echo cs400 that's a great saw it's just the antivibe that gets me in no time. Good stuff see ya next time!
I know all tools need service but my ECHOS have only had one warranty issue out of them all so far. I have had a pretty good track record. I do understand the antivibe thing there Ted. I am wondering if the 7310 is much more smooth. Hopefully I will get to find out one of these days!
Good one👍🏻
Folks change to 1/4” pitch bar/chain/sprocket, but I’ve found running a better Stihl 3/8 Picco makes all the difference on the 2511.
Man, I sure need to do some research on all of this. Since I have not been in the Small Saw Top handle game before, I really don't know what to expect. I know there are a lot of ppl talking about it but it all seems incomprehensible to me. The naming conventions and the various sized hurt my ADHD
@@oakiewoodsman I'm with ya on that, 4 me seems 2 be a fine line between cutting good&smooth and starting 2 get a little grabby w/ the smaller saws and pole saw. Some of the smaller chains (3/8lp)come really aggressive from what little experience I have.
I am interested in this topic. Did you notice how the stock chain would not bore at all? It simply couldn't with the small safety rakers on the chain. I am interested to see what happens with all of this!
@@oakiewoodsman I've been slowly tinkering w/ a few chains I'm using cutting on this tree, easy 4 me 2 get it grabby. Gonna complete cut the cat out of the muffkin on the 310 today and see if the added pep will smooth the cut. Some of the ECHO mufflers didn't have the catalytic internals but the muffler looks the same on the outside. Assuming pre EPA restricted versions.
interesting! I need to get a brazing setup DR. I want to do this.
I would be curious to see the comparison after the 2511 gets broke in. I bet itll be alot closer.
I do agree with you there. Will surely loosen up a bit. Then with all of the AM pipes available for them, it will get even better. I do not know the gains possible with the AM pipe but I am sure it is good. The 310 in the video, if stock would have been in LAST place for SURE if it did not have the muffler Mod.
If anyone reads this and wonders how true that is, make sure you watch my stock, muffler mod and Ported 310 Video compared to my Stock Husqvarna 545
here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/7S-w9YlLCk0/v-deo.html
Both of those top handles saws run good. Im actually impressed with the 2500. Did better than i thought it would.
it surely did for me as well!
I do prefer the inboard clutch style on my saws.
yes. The only drawback I can think of is the ability for all the saw dust and chips to get packed in there behind all of it. In a gas saw, it is a good thing to get that heat away from the PTO side bearing as well.
add the egan pipe and nano chain. it will really shine on the 2511T
Thank you much! I have the NANO setup waiting and will do a video on that. This 2511T may be going off to porting soon. That is the plan ATM. Thank you much. I am just kinda doing out of the box stuff then will take it further. I just climbed with both of them the other day as is. Appreciate you watching!
Cool comparison Oakie. If you're looking to get that trigger delay out of your sparkie saw - you'll have to tweak the L jet a lil bit... 😉😉
hahahahaha! I have to ask, what do you think man?
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@@oakiewoodsman I've never run a 2511T but they just look really angry for such a small saw 👍👍
You know, I kinda wish the cs-310 had the stock muffler on it. I get tired of swapping back and forth so I am determined to just leave the modded one on for now. That saw has truly come alive with the muffler mod. If the 2511 gets stronger with time and then can get some gains with a more open exhaust, I am super thrilled about that!
I know they're just little saws, but what a difference the muffler makes
Pretty awesome video, I have always had good luck with their products. I subscribed so I can learn more about the exhaust mod and the improved chain.
I sure thank you for stopping by and watching! And I think you even more for taking the time to make a comment. There’s a great comment section and some real good people here willing to help with all of their knowledge. Make sure you check out the newer video of when I change out the 3/8 chain to.325 nano chain. Again I sure appreciate it!
Great Job Oakie
Always appreciated!
In a previous post I said that my trimmer had a 4/1 gear ratio. After saying that, I checked, and here is the correct information; Zenoah BC221DL, Motor G2KC, 22.5cc, 0.9 Hp, 8.95 In.#, Gear Ratio 3/1, Carb WYJ-36-1.
Right on! Thank you for the clarification. Pretty amazing that machine has lasted all those years!
Awesome review. I love my husky 120i for just small jobs, especially on my processor. Like knots and odd cuts. I think I will look into the Echo electric version.Thank you for what you do for the industry.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Electric in that particular circumstance could be very beneficial. I can tell you that when I am doing construction type projects, I prefer an electric Blower and Chainsaw because often the work is so intermittent, it just makes sense to just pull the trigger and go for the 5-10 seconds and set it down again. Thank you so much!
I've debated getting one for my snowmobile, would fit in my titans box and I'm good to go when trails get blow over
Interesting idea. I am not sure how the battery would do in the cold. Batteries are impacted by extremes either way. Today, it was hot, and the battery saw did just fine however! Videos coming
@@oakiewoodsman I'd got makita jusy cause I have the xgt batteries already, I use my drill on my ice auger. Batteries go in bag with a couple hot hand pouches keeps them warm. The cold certainy effects them.
Good choice! Have heard good things and I have liked every Makita tool I have used.
@@oakiewoodsman ya once you buy into a brand the batteries kinda tie you in. But Makita sure take a beating. Also meant hothand pouches
God Bless You all and Stay Safe 🙏 Out There
Thank you and you as well!
Good comparison my only problem with electric is in 20 years when the gas saw is still cutting those lithium batteries will have long gone to the landfill.
From ecological standpoint, I do not believe they are better. The simplicity and functionality is a win. Longevity not so much. At first, I was surprised to find that many professional followers replace saws yearly that I thought would last for years and years. Of course they cut four more than I do. I suppose it just depends on your usage And your intended purposes. I am going to do a job here pretty soon and I am curious what one I am going to prefer.
@@oakiewoodsman I completely agree! I was in Quanties in Locust Grove the other day and he told me he has a customer who trades his 500i in every year for a new one but he cuts for a living and doesn’t want to get to the point of having issues.
I can tell you that I have always wanted this 2511T and I honestly was not very excited about the battery one. You see, I should be taking down a pine tree next week and I am going to climb it, limb it and chunk it out as I come back down. I honestly am most excited about using the battery saw. I am going to push it to the limits I do believe.
@@oakiewoodsman can’t wait to see it put through the paces.
thank you! I also have an AM exhaust that is going on my stock 460. May give you a good idea of what would change on the 044 you have. I still cannot believe you got that saw for that price! My wife recognized that auction, we have never been but have always wanted to go!
Nice Comparison 😮
Thank you RB!
2511 is all I see pros use, the battery makes sense though as well. Most pros get them ported and they scream.
Love running both, in fact, did so again today with a friend of mine. The 2511T is less expensive and has LOTS of performance potential. The 2500T is just flat out pleasant to use!
the reason I’ll never buy a battery top handle saw is because I work in 80-100 temps regularly during the summer. Now before anyone jumps on me I own many chainsaws and various brands (Husqvarna, Stihl and Echo). I occasionally have trouble with all of them from hot starts to stupid little quirks. When a battery saw overheats or is worked too hard they can shut down for a while. Both battery and gas saws can be pushed too hard and bog the saw where the chain freezes up so unless you have a very high torq saw, they both will do that. Batteries are close to being as good but likely 5 years away before I ever consider buying one. They are nice in the sense there is no warming up or pulling a starter cord.
Great comment! I have a story about this very thing that I want to share and it is inspired by your comment. So, I was doing some concrete work and I was the cut man for all of the forms. It was HOT! I had always used corded circular saws on the jobsite but personally I have used cordless for years. Well, we got the Milwaukee left blade saw that was similar in size to a worm drive Skill saw. It worked Fantastic! Unit the heat came. You see, we have probably 10 batteries out there cause all of our trucks had all Red Cordless tools. Our impacts, water pumps, drills, recip saws etc were all Red. That saw was great until I was needing to do repeated rip cuts in 2by material. In nice weather, the batteries were fine. In the hot weather, they were getting too hot and we couldn't get them to cool down enough to charge. I had them in the shade on the concrete to try and suck some of the heat of out them. Great comment!
Battery is the way to go in the tree canopy imo, no pull starting.
Not my experience but tree climbers I have seen in ISA competitions and locally.
Get that 2511t broke in, I have a 355t bought from Sawsuppliers a few years ago, with 3 basic mods smoked the 201tc Stihl I once had, anyone can do it in 10min. Lets race them 😆
Oh buddy! I think your 355t will kill it! Thank you for watching again man. I am excited to take the saws up with me!
Lol Glad you found your other tripod
yep..... I guess I had it on top of the generator and then put the Wheel Barrow on top of it. I searched far and wide for that darn thing! Then even came to the RG and Homestead unprepared!
Nice video....Have a GREAT WEEK.....
Thank you very much! You as well and stay safe!
Good video idea. Been looking for someone to do this.
Thank you for letting me know. Do you have one of these already? Do you cut quite often?
@oakiewoodsman currently i am self learning climbing. That's why I was looking for a decent top handle saw to remove some weak trees before storm.
right on! Have you seen my pole climbing spikes vs tree spikes video? ua-cam.com/video/XI58nraFqOU/v-deo.html
@oakiewoodsman no but I'm interested in learning more.
check it out. May help you a bit if you are looking at getting a used set. Can save some $
I think your delay on the electric ECHO is most likely a soft-start feature. My electric Atlas unit I bought from HF has such a feature and I wouldn't be surprised if the offerings from EGO, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita and GreenWorks has it as well. Because the electric chainsaws tend to be aimed at home owners who use them intermittently for small jobs they're designed to "start gently" so there's no surprises to the user. Especially if it's someone who has never used a chainsaw before. That's just my thoughts on it.
I will agree with your sentiments that the electric saws are not exciting to use because there is no crackle of a 2-stroke in your hands. But they are quick and convenient if you have a fully charged battery and you needed to cut something small without waking the neighbors. There is also no warmup time needed and you're not worrying about weather or not it'll start for the season. You just click a battery in and it works. Which makes them perfect for home owners who don't cut stuff constantly.
Of course they'll never be a full on replacement for 2-stroke saws. But they're good to have for places that have noise issues or don't allow fuel powered equipment.
Love you comment! It could very well be a soft start type thing. I think many times soft start is on larger DC brushed motors and I am not sure about brushless because if I recall correctly, they are actually AC motor with a DC/AC conversion going on in the speed control. I know that in the RC car world, some of the early brushless stuff also had the hesitation but again, I do not know enough about any of it to really have an answer. I really thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!
@@oakiewoodsman I'm glad you like. My Atlas is the 80v model and it is indeed brushless. But now that I look at its' advertising page on HF's website closer they don't mention a soft start feature. It just says "instant trigger start". So I'm guessing the delay is just an electric chainsaw quirk. I'm no expert, just my two pennies. :)
I bet someone may be able to answer the question. If it doesn't happen quickly, it will likely happen at some point, may take a few years though! hahaha
@@oakiewoodsman Indeed, as long as it works it's not a big deal. Not like you're going to clear a forest with it. :)
@@Slane583 you have got to watch this video! hahahaa.... kinda makes fun of that very thing you just said ua-cam.com/video/8x3FfdPuCbI/v-deo.htmlsi=vfyAVIM2Ql7AiR9F
Joe when you get to the other chain, can you have them both off and set them side by side?
Yes sir! I will do a comparison. I may even grab the Kitchen scale ......... shhhhhhh dont tell the wife!
I would love to see a comparison of the echo battery to a Milwaukee top handle because i have all Milwaukee tools with lots of batteries. Just a thought if you could swaggle one off someone for testing.
I would love to do that, I just currently cannot justify the expense of the Red saw. They surely do look incredible though!
@@oakiewoodsman yes indeed i understand maybe Milwaukee will reach out to you to test one 🥳
I believe I am a bit on the small side for that one! hahaha
10:27 that is some jumpy chain from factory. Only proves once again that rakers have to be hit from factory
I was thinking that that would actually make it worse?
@@oakiewoodsman well yes if you free hand it. But if you use a raker gauge to get all rakers proportional to the corresponding tooth its smooth as butter. I have no clue how they can be off from the factory since they should be identical but this seems to be the norm.
I do not think this is a raker issue. I believe it is the tooth trying to take too much wood. If anything, they need more of a raker. I will be converting one to Nano shortly and I have heard it changes things for the better. Thanks for the comment
I remember that back before Zenoah was bought by Husqvarna, they had a 22cc saw that was advertised as the worlds, smallest saw. Does anyone know about that saw? Was it lighter than the CS-2511T? Is it still made? The only Zenoah equipment that I have ever had is my unkillable stringline trimmer, that lightest and best small engine power equipment I have ever owned. And I have owned a lot!
You are correct- there WAS the smaller and lighter saw and it also had less cc’s. The 2511 is usually carefully called “lightest in North America / Europe / market” when it is said about emission controlled markets.
But it’s no lie - it is the lightest one you can normally buy.
this is an interesting conversation. I would like to know more myself!
@@oakiewoodsman look up Zenoah G2000T. It was an 18cc cute top handle saw, couple ounces lighter than 2511 :)
Thank you, I just did. I think I have seen something like that before. I wonder if the Maruyama one share a bit with it. Off the top of my head I was wondering about that recently.
Wow! Even smaller than I remembered. A few years ago, I bought a Honda trimmer that is a lot bigger and heavier but doesn't have the guts of the old Zenoah when cutting blackberry bushes and other hard tasks.
Morning
Morning Todd! Do you have a preference?
I wonder if Echo is running the same antiquated electric technology as Husqvarna is on the T545i? In that regard Dewalt, Makita and Milwaukee have them beat hands down.
Still neat units and I haven't met a saw yet that I would toss in the garbage!
Brushless tech has certainly gotten better over the years. The question I have is this. In many drills, there is a need for super low speed, responsive switched and speed controllers. The ECHO and Husky one could be less sensitive to throttle position and I think that could be ok because in general, they do not require the same throttle modulation that a drill would. Of course, the tool makers have all the stuff to do it and they have battery tech and production scale down! Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
What is it with this younger generation's fantasy with these chain brakes? We never had chain brakes in my day, and never had a problem.
You just learned to stay the heck out of the way of the saw in the event of a kick back.
Did I ever have a kick back? Sure; and the saw just went over my shoulder.
Now in my later years; I have a few battery operated saws. Some of them have chain brakes; and I don't know if they even work; and I could care less.
They must not be all that important; because my 10, 12, and 14 inch saws don't have one.
But yes; I always wear my seatbelt.
I like being safe but I also try to be real about it. I also have found that while walking around in brush with trip prone chaps on, I like to have my chain brake on. Thanks for watching!
Please understand I was NOT being critical of YOU OR this video. I just noticed you flipping the chain brake on and off like every other reviewer your age; and I was just being philosophical about today's perception of chainsaws.
Nice review.
well, I can share with you why that is. If I do not, I get a BUNCH of ppl saying I am unsafe. I had a person unsubscribe because I had a friend running a saw with no chaps on. I have just found for me personally that it is best to do the same thing every time. Muscle memory that is. In fact, right after this, I used these saws in the tree on hooks. I like to certainly keep the break engaged up top. Thank you again
If I could do life over & lived in a more perfect world, I would pick ONE brand (Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita, or whatever trips your trigger) as a young man. If I owned Milwaukee tools, my top handle electric chainsaw would be a Milwaukee. If I owned Dewalt tools, my top handle electric chainsaw would be a Dewalt (or whatever brand I already own). Even if the Echo is slightly superior, I would rather own a brand that matches my current battery packs. I hate my assortment of electric power tools (Craftman/Sears, Masterforce/Menard's, Bauer/Harbor Freight, & various Amazon no name products. I HATE that nothing matches! I hate charging batteries! I hate it! I hate it! Throwing my Poulan, Husqvarana, & Jonsered chainsaws in the back of my Mule along with a can of mixed gas is so much easier. I wouldn't get overly excited about an electric chainsaw. They're all pretty decent. If you already have 5 Milwaukee battery packs for other tools, I wouldn't overlook something like that! I'd rather have the extra battery packs than the new tool.
Good perspective indeed. What if your chosen platform like mine (Ridgid doesn't have all the cool toys?). That is the hard thing about the cordless tool market. Some of the Milwaukee tools are better than the dewalt and some of the Ridgid stuff is better too. Of course they will all get the job done but that is where the torture sets in of making the best decision possible. That is how I landed on Ridgid. Thousands of dollars in free batteries, and I am ahead. Now, the saw they have is no where near comparable and actually quite expensive when you factor in the battery I run. My 18 Volt 8ah battery is a VERY Expensive beast. Thank you again
@@oakiewoodsman My perfect battery powered tool world is only a dream. LOL! I sort of lived through electric tools always changing voltages, too. 14.4 V were replaced by 18 V, and then it was 20 V. That sort of marketing even within a single brand annoys me. That's why technology annoys me. I bought my first gas powered grass/brush trimmer in 1994. 30 years later it's still going strong. I can't say that about any of my battery powered tools I bought 30 years ago. I just hate how nothing matches in the battery powered realm. I find satisfaction in taking care of things versus replacing them. I can buy a deer rifle & know it will last me a lifetime. I can't say the same about buying a Chromebook! It doesn't take much to annoy me! LOL! Sorry about that!
@driftlesshunter9200 hahahah I think I understand better friend!
Rhett
Hello Rhett. You have a story?
Holy cow that 2511 is FAT! It would be a much more honest of a comparison if it was tuned proper.
There is an updated video with that. These saws were compared right out of the box as if someone just got them delivered. Also, ECHO 2T stuff takes time to break in as well. Updated video ua-cam.com/video/DmBKGUwuhDU/v-deo.html
@@oakiewoodsman yes, I am aware they use a higher density ring alloy. Thx for the info on the other vid, I'll check it out.
👍🆙OW, YT removing comments, i don't think my normal comment is offensive, so why would it get deleted? Trying 2 hold comments back from your channel?
Can I ask if it was another long one? What normal comment? Was it just the thumbs up???
Normal👍🆙OW, sometimes I can just add a period or another punctuation mark and it will not get deleted. Since maybe I let a few videos run and comment the same thing, maybe the algorithm is targeting repeat comments because of bots(I Am Not A Robot!🚫🤖)
I thought forever coolest guy on the planet was a bot!
@@oakiewoodsman 😂, I thought CF was until he actually commented in words👍👍😏😁😂 Coolguy deserves a shout out by a few ppl IMO, he's been @ 4 awhile and his comment probably is actually counted by the YT algorithm as a comment, I'm assuming they have a comment length, words...requirement 2 be considered an actual comment.
👍🏻JS&DR! I also wondered about CG before I found this channel😅 sometimes YT really doesn't make any sense🧐
Rhett
Thanks again