Why BMW WILL NEVER Race in MotoGP
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2022
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BMW(Motorrad) is one of the biggest Motorcycle companies in the world and is arguably the only big name left not to have attempted the pinnacle of motorcycle racing, with the BMW M2 CS Racing as their safety car in MotoGP and the BMW M1000RR as their Safety Bike, Why doesn’t BMW race in MotoGP? Let's find out in today’s video!
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BMW would need to design a cross-plane I4 or V4 to compete in MotoGP which would be quite expensive. The flat-plane engines are all gone from that series for this reason; constant powerstokes do not give the rear tire recovery time between pulses.
Now the inline 4 is obsolete or becoming obsolete because it cant take enough power to become competitive without blowing up
@@jake88ci Not necessarily. I4's can make competitive power but will it be useable power, will it chew up rear tires, will the engines last without blowing up etc...
There are many factors. But even last season Suzuki made their crossplane crank I4 more powerful, they were even faster than the Ducatis in Qatar though they weren't quite as fast the rest of the season. Suzuki may have detuned them to make them last the season. But they were still faster than the Yamahas.
False, Suzuki didn’t use an I4 crossplane and their engine was more powerfull than yamaha’s one
@@ALIENdrifter66 No they DID use a crossplane Inline 4 when they returned to MotoGP. The GSX-RR. Prior to Suzuki leaving the first time they were running a 60 degree, later a 65 degree V4, the GSV-R.
Then the recession hit, they dropped out of MotoGP for a few years then when they prepared to re-enter the series they hired former Yamaha Team boss Davide Brivio (who ran the team for Rossi's first few championships for Yamaha) and they chose to ditch the narrow angle V4 and ran a crossplane crank I4. No joke, 100% true.
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Same reason why Kawasaki left MotoGp. Too much money for advertising their brand.
Exactly !!! They sell every one of their maintenance pig cars… why bother?…. Brand awareness???? Lol
Too much money? Lol for BMW haha
Plus kawasaki focusing on wsbk
They also were agree with suzuki tho focus on sbk and leave motogp. and suzuki the opposite
And frequently failing
Sad to see kawasaki and susuki leave motogp, as companies slowly lose their interest in motogp we might lose the era of factory bike technologies being integrated into production bikes as motogp is basically a testing ground for tech.
Kawasaki were not able to compete and Suzuki has issues with European market that is why they left, they even loss their share value by 30% after leaving motogp... Companies are utterly wanting to be part of MotoGP...
If ever this will affect sportbike market i still have a naked bike choice 😍
WSBK is much better than MOTOGP
@@boopitywoop7981 they have slower and heavier bikes, and use the same frames and tech as production bikes, with moto gp gone you will never see a new super lightweight bike with superb technology ripping through the tracks
@BrixSteezy yes but the bikes are closer to factory specs than MGP.
Another great video. Keep it going 💪
Moto GP, starting to look like a Ducati spec series nothing against Ducati I own one myself and love the brand it would be nice to see other manufactures compete
Great video brother!
They made a MotoGP bike when four strokes 990 came to the circuits. It didn't make it to the races, but it was a serious effort. It was covered by MCN and showed Jeremy McWilliams as test rider. And if memory serves me correctly the drive chain was on the right side of the bike. And when I say right side, I mean right, not the correct side (left)
BMW is also well known for changing policy in racing as quickly as we change our underpants, with no long term stability nor commitment. Look their involvement in F1; didn't even make it to a decade as both engine supplier and full factory effort. Their WSBK effort is no different; at first as factory team, then left it to customer teams to race before coming back again in recent years as full factory effort.
It's all in the priorities and DNA. KTM and Aprilia are relatively smaller and less luxurious manufacturers than BMW, yet they make racing their top priority not only to sell bikes but also as their R&D. They are ready to go barren with no titles as racing is their DNA. BMW didn't have a strong racing DNA as other manufacturers.
Your comment took 20 seconds to read and was far more informative than this half-baked video.
Best comment.
you clearly don't know jack fucking shit about bmw racing history...
If motogp doesn’t make themselves more marketable to manufacturers it will be a Ducati spec series in a matter of minutes. WSBK is far more interesting at present.
WSBK used to stand alone. You were a superbike rider or a GP rider. Now WSBK is full of ex-GP riders and I haven't watched it in years. I knew when Dorna bought WSBK that it would become a watered down championship. For a while there it was all UK, Spanish and Italians. Hardly representative of a world championship.
I don't completely agree. Just as some manufacturers leave MotoGP, others are trying to get back in. MV Agusta are now in Moto2 and want to be back in MotoGP by 2026. Aprilia and KTM are fairly new. As some leave, others will enter. But I get what you're saying and hopefully they entice more manufacturers back in.
@@funcool32 don't forget Triumph
@HEAVYWALL actually it Will be the big three again
Ducati, Honda and Yamaha
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Another good analysis Sir.
UK based opinion. The best thing BMW did with the S1000RR is to give it heated grips
It doesn't matter what race results are if you're bloody cold riding the replicas
Based
@@_the_eversor_lad_ Based: as in where I live
Love the vid very informative 👏
Glad it was helpful!!!
Just like in F1, not every manufacturer will benefit from the publicity hype of having the championship winning machine. There are certain brand that need that recognition, because that is what they hang their hat on- performance. Brands like Toyota would like to win a championship, but ultimately their brand is about technological improvements that F1 has nothing to do with- like backup camera systems, blind spot detection, adaptive cruise control, etc. That's where they put their R&D money. Ducati, KTM, MV Agusta, and Aprilia are the brands that need MotoGP championships. Honda is a juggernaut in the motorcycle industry, their market share is so huge they can afford to put a strong effort into MotoGP- yet they still really don't. BMW is kind of in the middle, and Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki are invested heavily in many other segments of motorcycling. Their focus will never be on just the sport bike side of things. WSBK is just a better option if you ask me. Taking a stock bike and modifying it with newer technology that will actually trickle down to the market is a far better gameplan than unobtainable super machines that are designed for one purpose- to go really fast on a purpose built closed circuit.
aprillia entered the WSB in the same year as BMW, after 3 years Max Biaggio won the WSBK championship
Man the s1000rr is a must have in your life.
Depends on the years. Anything pre 2016 is junk,
@@user-fe5bi7ul4t Ive heard about that lmao i love my 2011
Bmw 🤮
@@user-fe5bi7ul4t What a load of shit. I have a 2010 and it is bulletproof. Never had a single issue and it is a phenomenal bike to ride.
Got to ride my homies a couple years ago and what a machine I actually prefer my mt10 for the street but when I went to the race track I could tell it was much slower once the other 1000 finally got up in the revs
its more fun on Isle of Man TT. they just won using M1000
Fr, Hickman smashed that shit
we need streetGP. like malaysian cubprix but more agressive and serious modification upto 250cc
Gotta be able to make it through the season too 🤣🤣🤣
Some Mr. Helmet guy talked about the 'winter miracle' every year, during tests the bike is a beast, then it comfortably sits at 7th place at best during the proper season. According to the theory, you can thank Shawn Muir for this, who has a big mouth and (supposedly)does all the boring work that repersents the mothership, and that just accidentally could make the bike work.
Because it has already been said they care only about selling GSs, but reamins the fact that their bike has been competitive enough in STK classes(reason for the Motorrad Italia do pass in SBK in the first place) and local SBK championships(FHO using it, apparently with victories under the belt in just 2 years).
It also means they're not taking the bike motorsport seriously.
They're no where near the top in WSBK so why even consider going near MotoGP? They are however quite successful in the road racing scene
What racing, BMW does not compete in anything , only Motorsport in BMW is in a name of their m division.😂they are a Nike in Motorsport both cars and bikes.
@@Jackal9405 BMW did really well at the Isle of Man TT, with Peter Hickman absolutely smashing it.
Great bike!!
Well said dude. 👌
Thanks man!!!
Uh, because those horizontally opposed twins can’t lean? Lol.
-Matt’s dad
Boxer Cup…. (I know you’re being sarcastic many on here would slate you for that)
I ride a 99 r1100s and it leans over just fine.
@@Heavywall70
It was a joke.
Like Beemer guys bagging on classic British bikes’ electrical systems.
Lucas, Prince of Darkness.
But there is some truth to it.
But now you have me wonder ing about ground clearances & lean angles of classic era BMW’s vs. a bike like the S1000R.
Not enough to research it but would like to know. Wouldn’t surprise me if the S1000R engineers did this.
The only negatives I can see are raising the center of mass and slightly closer proximity of a large heat source to the rider. Both of which can be offset by frame & aerodynamics changes.
Since I got that idea watching this channel I will not mention the question until this channel does or doesn’t think it’s worth looking in to.
It is mostly a moot point in less you are torn between buying an R90 bs. the S1000RR and lean angle is a major criterion to you.
Now someone will probably jump up and say that is him.
Like I said just an old running joke between BMW riders and British bike riders. And I did have a 3.8 liter Mk II Jaguar lose headlights at speed on a narrow high crown FL road. Never happened on any of several VWs.
And the old Nortons with the featherbed frame would eat Zener diodes like breakfast cereal.
Always carried two spares in case a spare broke before I could get more.
Mounted right below the wire bottom seat. Fragile as a butterfly.
Loved both vehicles, got good at electrics because of them.
No wonder humor is so scarce on the Net. But at least it’s interesting in an arcane way.
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So?
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Are we NOT to lay any blame on MotoGP Management??? Carmelo Ezpeleta (CEO of Dorna who owns MotoGP) has proven to to be a disaster for MotoGP.
This video did not even come close to explaining why they don’t compete. Just like F1, all the bikes and engines are prototype engines, which takes a huge amount of engineering and money, not to mention drive and adaptation. BMW has never been known for rapid changes or even modernizing current models quickly, moto GP and F1 are a constant R&D type of racing. Kawasaki left because motorcycles are at most 2% of the entire company, it is not financially beneficial to produce a bike they can not sell to the public, Suzuki is facing financial issues an cutting what amounts to a huge loss is beneficial. No they do not all use the same engines and transmissions, there are flat plane engines still there as are v-5 , v-4, inline 4 cross plane, triples, etc. GP racing suffers from lack of televised coverage and issues with rules. SBK,BSB,AMA,TT and others like this are the older “race on Sunday sell on Monday” type of events. You can’t buy the Yamaha GP bike, but you can buy the R1m that is racing at brands hatch. Yamaha,Honda,Ducati,and whom ever else is there use GP as a way to further R&D for production motorcycles. BMW does not even care, the only super bike they make has never really been updated or changed from its original form. Just like the Lexus LFA, it was built to shut up all the doubters who said “you can’t do it.”
Very interesting. Made well, guy.
Wade998 You couldn’t be any more wrong. The reason a cross plane crank does so well is because of the LACK of pulses! There is always one piston firing so this cuts down on inertial torque and helps maintain grip.
Is there ever an event for Isle of Man for regular people to race its’ course? Always been a dream
You could Ride the public roads early in the morning. So no traffic
@Malcolm 😂😂
@@malcolm2527 already done that and wrecked the cbr in my profile photo doing so
@@ereHeuqibmazoM Hope your good
@@malcolm2527 still healing rn but working towards being ready for summer
Moto GP won't equal sales. The 1000 isn't a high volume bike compared to the rest of their line up so it's not financially smart to waste that money on a no sales bump. Didn't work for kawasaki who went on to demolish wsbk and it didn't help suzuki who canned the GSXR.
TLDR? BMW just wants to take the easy route, stay in their comfort zone, and compete where they know the lay of the land.
they may be mediocre motogp but they are smashing the Isle of man. Its a beast
I didn't know they all use the same engine in Moto GP
If BMW is in MotoGP, the team would be:
Milwaukee BMW Motorrad by TAS Racing Factory Team and Go PRO BMW Satellite Team. And the boss is Ian Hutchinson.
Theres a BIG difference in motogp vs super. BMW would be top like merc in f1 but its too much money and their priorities are in electric garbage. Kawa is a good street company (sorta) but that's it. Their reputation in the racing world is less than that. KTM, Aprilia, Honda, Ducati and Yamaha are THE top motorcycle brands on and off the track. I would trust these brands over any other, this is why they have been dominate for so long as well
Imagine being #1 in the Isle of man TT.
The image and target market of BMW is slowly changing. The S1000 and M1000 are slowly reshaping the future. The ADV market has cut into the sales of the GS and the M1000 is picking up the slack. We will see a more balanced mix in sales as the market progresses. Their recent Isle of Man performance and results show that BMW is a serious contender. Isle of Man has a much greater impact on market share and sales than does MotoGP.
That's what I thought. Peter Hickman's wins certainly did a lot in favour of BMW.
most bmw motorad sales are the adventure/touring bike after that is the naked counterpart the lowest sales are the superbike wsbk is probally the only relevent sport bike racing bmw can justify to there board members.
I wonder if Aprilia was lowest sales too
I didn't get the answer, what i want to hear
To me BMW s1000rr is a masterpiece, so beautiful and so savage.
I would kill for BMW to run a 1000cc in-line 6 Moto gp bike.
goood to watch! hahahahaha
Its bcause motogp are on the top technologies competing .. and it highly cost and expensive
i think the main reason is they use Shaft drive only which is horrible for track racing
what are you talking about? Their sport bikes are chain drive. You do know they make 4 cylinder engines, not just boxers right?
Imagine having a bmw M bike
But like most BMW engines, who’s going to make it..? Ricardo.???
Mangkanya riset segalanya itu ngga murah dan memakan waktu yang lama, untuk bisa bersaing dengan pabrikan lainnya.
Too much work, they can't even be bothered to take WSBK seriously.
Who needs moto gp when you have the top spot in the TT
exactly fuck that boring MotoGP pussy shit. everyone knows the TT is the true test of a bike. no for real like what is the meaning of a bike? freedom right? what is more free than racing down public roads and what is a better test of a street bike than a street race?
Fr, that's what I thought.
Hysterical 😂😂😂
NEVER SAY NEVER
Maaaan their wsbk projects still not as competitive
no but they still doing good in isle of man TT and it's a street bike ain't it?
@@rampage3337 IOM TT is a one-off specialist race, it can't be compared to any race track or even other street circuits. The bike counts obviously, but a larger percentage is due to set up and to the rider who competes almost exclusively for that race. You can put a MotoGP bike in it, ridden by a recent world champion, he won't come in the first 15 I don't think. It takes years to master that race.
Just bring back the 500cc 2 strokes!!!
That's why I consider BMW big bikes as over priced luxeries because they haven't proven anything in WSBK
In motogp there is no In Line 4, V4 and crossplane only
Crossplane is still an inline 4. The crossplane adds some grunt to the inline 4 for cornering exit, but at the expense of the top end of the conventional inline 4.
The shift cam + VVT of the BMW is a much superior test for this purpose. You gain peak torque so much earlier and have way more top end. If you have ridden the new s1000rr, you know, it kinda feels like a much bigger engine at lower rpm, almost like riding a liter naked or hayabusa, but I don't know how it will translate to MotoGP power load. The only reason why v4s are so much more powerful than inline 4s is because v4s are more compact and have fewer stress points, so they can withstand a higher HP load safely.
Doesn't suzuki use a conventional I4?
But the sounds like a bee, suzuki uses crossplane in motogp, doesnt use L4 conventional
@@Maseeha171
Suzuki motogp bike has crossplane crank not the regular i4 or vvt like in street legal gsxr1000.
@@Fearless154 its not as simple as this vs that.
Because they don’t want to get their ass kicked!
BMW not entering MotoGP
is a lack of self confidence
Padhal sing salah seko awal wes ketok kabeh lho
don't use the word "never" when you don't know if that can happen in the future.
That' s why Suzuki leave Motogp because of expenses and they focus in Sales..
Not really but European sustainability rules make then to made that decision... They even loss 30% share value after that, so expenses doesn't matter?
One word S1000RR this guy acts like he never heard of it. ....was hardly a practical entry into the market with focus on longevity....a model that hauls butt and handles!
Easy answer. It's not good enough.
IMO BMW could enter motogp only if there were some new engine regulations on the way.
They hardly compete in WSBK then why should they enter MotoGP with a slim chance like that.
yes in moto gp with gs 1300 :)))
Dorna Repsol Honda is why
😂🤣. yea sure mate … maybe you should have checked with Raz first , his SBK contract with BMW
gives him the chance of racing in Motogp in 2005-2006 …Ooooh what a priceless title 😂
THİS YEAR İS BMW :D TOPRAAAAAK RAZGATLIIIIIOOOĞĞĞLUUUU :d
WSBK and isle of man TT is the best race in the world !!
Moto GP is the second best.
BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE BALLS OR KNOWLEDGE ABOUR SUPER BIKE TO COMPETE ON THAT LEVEL
Durability my behind. Overpriced and unreliable. That’s what they are. Had 2 GSs from brand new. First needed oil like a Greek salad (how about a liter every 1000-1500kms sound?), its ABS was downright dangerous and the next one managed to pierce a piston (found a valve in the exhaust) at only 20K km. When they fixed that under warranty, the drive-shaft went south. Never again will I buy a BMW motorcycle.
P.S. The GS is marketed as an all rounder adventure bike but it’s basically an oversized and heavier Multistrada (with less power). You don’t want to take these off road. The telelever/paralever combo sucks and they weight a ton.
Cold, commercial decision, nothing more.
Weak teams leaves moto gp,,only the strong remain,,,
Without Rossi motor GP is dead in my opinion
MOTOGP was before Rossi and will remain after Rossi but Ducati Domination is what killing MOTOGP, ofcourse its not Ducati's fault that they built best bike. But today bikes are becoming more important than riders. Today even an average rider can win Championship, we dont see those rivalries and legendary battles. Marc Marquez is the last rider remaining.
Their not racing in world superbikes either !
they are though
PDG is french (Président directeur général) but BMW is german...........and in german you say Vorstandsvorsitzender.
Kawasaki to
Why bother? The WSB/BSB series are far more entertaining.
Thought this was going to be a crappy video. Good and on point.
Think BMW is already a Giant in the world. So why spend so much for advertising, BMW, now Suzuki and Kawasaki, very good reputational brands.
Now seeing Moto Gp being a Platform were upcoming Motorcycle Companies that want extra sales, without the big competition. It will still b fun though m
The motor world has gone ADV and Naked. Faired super bike sales in the retail market have fallen hard.
Is this an AI created video? The voice sounds like a robot.
so it seems BMW isnt so perfect as their image said
biggest motorcycle company in the world ?!?! LOL
Thats what i said Honda And Kawasaki sell way more bikes than any other manufacturer.
@@MJT-DA Honda yes but Kawasaki no. Bmw sells more bikes than Kawasaki
@@liv0003 Didn’t Kawasaki sell the most 600cc bikes from 2019 to 2022 if I’m not mistaken? Also what about the H2 that i see everyone buying? And lastly you can’t find a modern zx10r anywhere they sell before they make it to the floor. Yet I still see a 2019 s1000xr sitting at the dealership in Toronto.
@@MJT-DA if you look at the world sales rankings Kawasaki among the 4 Japanese brands is the one that sells the least and it comes also after BMW . Honda on the other hand is the brand that sells the high number of motorcycles around the world.
@@liv0003 yeah honda actually makes majority of their money of bikes. like including the cars and shit majority of their money comes from bikes. and not from sport bikes ADV bikes or shit like that no no. small displacement scooters is what makes them majority of their money. that asian market for low displacement scooters is crazy.
Because they suck in all racing categories for bikes: there ya go, answer in less than 5min, saved you time.
Also, REALLY not cool of the video creator to steal footage from 44Teeth and Dorna, because I KNOW you didnt get permission.
you know nothing about bmw bike racing and it's very obvious.
Why because they wait razgatlioglu 😅
Karena BMW bukanlah DUCATI...
They know they'll be second to last. Zero knowhow, they even tried to get the easy route in, to buy Suzuki's operations, but they were b|tch$lapped like Porsche trying to buy RedBull. Real know how, years wasted on the racing circuit should not be sold for toilet paper (money), like Ducati did.
"If you can't run with the big dogs stay in the porch."
Oooooh-
Toprak 2026 MotoGP BMW!
They dont need it
Only oke bmw bike is good. F 1250 gs
Bee M vee
what's with the mask? I don't think we can catch anything from here.
well said.
Some people love the fear.
Age like a milk
BMW in MotoGP? Ahahahahaha! They can't build a motorcycle suitable to World SuperBike. BMWs are in 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th places from 19 in World SuperBike Championship.
you clearly know nothing about bmw bike racing. + they won the isle of man TT last year which you should know because if you actually gave any fucks about racing you would know what bike won the TT
cause it can't beat Ducati🗿
Makane perang agama ki akur ak seneng.
MotoGP is money pit.