Montezuma and Eureka are both the same top speed as Betsy, 16mph. If you want something quick for early game, I'd go with the Glenbrook (24mph). Cars stopped derailing due to physics issues with the switch to UE5. The props, facilities and industries use your camera direction as a grid, so alligning those to tracks can be tough. There's a bug that causes industries to receive double the supplies you offload. You still get regular pay though, might want to go with hard industry difficulty to counteract that. Also logs and other items that get shortened on the small cars are still treated as regular cargo without any disadvantage. Passenger cars have been added to the game, but currently they don't serve any purpose, so no reason to buy them.
2-axle logging is now just OP. There is practically no reason to go for the 4-axles if you want to just transport logs. On the other hand, the cordwood 2-axles are an absolute joke, having just 1/3 capacity of the 4-axles. The same for tanker cars. 2-axles take 2 drops of oil, 4-axles take IIRC 14 and 16. Also, Mosca goes 25, and has decent tractive effort, so a very good general mid-game locomotive, and its relatively cheap. Definitely recommended. Also, Climax got a speed boost and now it goes 12mph. Definitely not bad, and is not very competitive compared to Heisler. Especially if you have a short super-steep railroad and you need a single-use puller/pusher. However I have to say that Montezuma is now probably the worst starting pick, as it just cannot climb at all. With a handful of empty cars it struggles against 3%. If you have over four fully loaded 2-axles, you can very much forget about climbing any sort of incline.
@@pavelslama5543 I'd still go for the regular old logging cars as it's easier to allign them with the cranes and the gregg cars all have a tendency to derail for no apparent reason. Plus the logs contracting and expanding is just ugly. I tested all the engines recently and Mosca did 22, but it's pretty much up there alongside the Glenbrook thanks to the higher tractive effort. Climax isn't even worth discussing in the same context. I agree on Montezuma being the worst though, it needs a much higher top speed to have a use.
I know right. I think it was maybe because I think Hyce payed for it in their save, and Kan just doesn't pay attention to the names. Since Hyce always called it the tweetsie and never referred to the actual name... :shrug:
The industry placing also goes in line with the fact they have a save for download on the discord that is just a blank map of the first map for download so you can place industries wherever you want as well to make it even more sandboxy
LMAO watching Kan just casually walking between the rails slowly cutting down trees as we can hear the train getting faster and closer. I just automatically add Hyce's danger music in my head.
I just started the new map today. Has connected the timber camp with the sawmill with loops at both ends. Chose Shay as locomotive (forgot how slow it is). Now have 14 carts, 6 for lumber, 6 for sawmill products and 2 for Cordwood. By the way, it was your videos that made me buy the "game", thanks for that. I see it as a model railway for those of us who don't have room for one in the real world.
Did you place your own industry? I did, and its not easy to get to some of them (the logging camp is in the top right corner, and you have to go through the canyon to get to it. If you do it like that, you really need the Shay from the get go. Neither Montezuma nor Porter will get you anywhere once you put logs on those cars. 2% incline and they are dying. 3% and they are dead.
@@pavelslama5543 I haven't placed industry myself, I think I'll try where the developers have placed them first. I have a very long 2% rise to smelter. First trip up was with Porter 0-4-2ST. It had 6 small empty wagons in front and 12 behind it, the last 6 being loaded with cordwood. It came up without any problems. But damn the little wagons are alive when you have to go down again.
@@patrickbliss9264 He hasn't been friends with Himie (probably spelt that wrong) for a little while. Some music and sounds he recorded for ROO have gone and been replaced he doesn't like the bugs. But most importantly he is one of the people behind a game in development which will be a competitor to ROO when it's released.
unfortunately, I doubt that will ever happen again. Hyce doesn't want to use RRO on his stream, it may be because he's developing his own Railroad game with Developers that came from the RRO team.
@@datguymiller well maybe, but in the very beginning he was almost always with kan and I believe he was a dev himself. It’s kind of iconic to have him in any railroad related series
So good to see you in Railroads Online again! The new map definitely provides new challenges, and some interesting Easter eggs. If you use the Place Industry ability, you can fly around the map at high speeds so you can get an idea of where the industries are.
You already had to pee in a cup. I'm sure Hyce will be saying "KAAAAAN!!!" when he watches this. I'll enjoy watching you play this, and it'll always be the new division of the Central Rio and Pacific in my heart.
As someone who played RO for a while, then stopped, the only new locomotives I see is the Lima, def new. Looks like a fine line between Narrow and Standard gauge.
East Tennessee and Western North Carolina! I live in that area, we still have several old stations and even an old bunkhouse left. This area used to be a big logging destination and there are several mines along the line too. Most of them stopped hauling freight back in the 80s but GSMR opened up as a scenic run back in late eighties or early nineties. I was in grade school when it did and we got to ride on one of its early runs. I actually worked on it as an attendant not to long ago. They actually have a steam engine run, the 1702, but it's not a ET&WNC, it's a European model from WWII. There are also several cars from the early 1900s, including several that were used as troop transports during WWII. Modified, of course.
Or say that the Lake valley Railroad doesn't even know they are permanently loaning you the cars. With how your railroad is going to treat safety regulations, it's not a big stretch to assume they would be above a little theft.
The Class 48 is still one of the best early engines. It had the power and you don't have the tender to worry about. Only down side is small fuel pile, but isn't that big of a deal.
love to ssee you back on railroad online! i have been waiting forever for yall to get back to it! i hope we get more episodes of you and hyce doin more railroads online!
The yard sign you're looking for is "End of yard limit " Other than watching you and Hyce Laurel and Hardy your way through the RailRoad, this is one of my favorite parts ,watching the building process ..
@kAN Gaming, got to look at placing & removing Industries, Signs with custom Text, hidden Easter Egg. Welcome back. People are using plain posts to mark alongside the track, how far to pull out of the station for loading/unloading, making lining up with the platform easier.
Theres a nice little spot for an industry like an iron or coal mine under the pride rock outcrop area of the mountain you were looking at, at 18:20. It's just large enough to fit a loop in and then have a siding for loaded hoppers and Betsy or a class 48 up there for shunting.
I think a fun video might be to lay a track up a hill and load a unit up such that the big engine (once you get there) cannot make the grade fully loaded, but you make it by adding Betsy. You have to roll all the way back to some industry, grab Betsy, set her to "SEND", and make the grade.
For better braking i try to put the nearest car to the trains brake facing the cab. i like the class 48 and the glenbrook as my early engine. but i haven't touched the Eureka in a while would be cool to see as long as there are no hills lol or if its fast now?
Imagine if you could cut into the terrain by the logging camp... or anywhere for that matter... Would be cool if you could dig away terrain to lay tracks, but if you wanted to make a tunnel through rock, you'd need a tunnel bore and track layer...
I was wondering if there was a way to make cuts and tunnels. I havnt played this yet. I think it'll be the next game I pick up. Thanks for answering my question about the terrain lol
@@cassius7833 I've never played either, but from watching Kan, I have literally never seen him cut into terrain, so I don't think it/s possible in the game, otherwise he would've done so.
I think those new small cars may be good for very sharp curves or sudden grade changes because of their very short wheelbase so they seem very suitable for mountain routes where sometimes there‘s not much space for longer curves or soft inclines. It‘s my first time seeing this new map in railroads online so i don‘t know the location of the other industries and which obstacles are between them. It also would be very cool to see a small mountain railway going up on at least one of those higher mountains (such i described before) on this map and maybe even building a small town on top of them with those new available buildings if possible. Maybe there are mountains with a plateau on top of them, which could be suitable for this. Then you may be able to run Betsy and some small cars up and down this mountain having a nice view of the map. Maybe you can also use the „smaller caboose“ as a passenger car for Betsy. It would be nice seeing more of this map also together with Hyce.
Just thought I would say sense Kan has joked around about wanting a birds eye view you can fly as the host by "starting to place an industry, I find it to be a great help for planning out track or catching up to run away trains..
You can use the industry placement mode to fly around and scout, if you cancel placement it will drop you where you are, or if you do it in 3rd person you can watch your character flywalking everywhere =D
My suggestion for the future would be to move the coal mine and ironworks away from each other. They are currently so close together that you can connect their platforms with a single spline. The top left corner or next to the river are the spots I would recommend for relocating those industries
When you wanna stop especially if you have a heavy load you should run down the cars and throw hand brakes to stop faster. Might add a little more fun in my opinion.
Well now you have signs, you could use highway posts to mark the grade percent and something else to denote up or down, unless there are grade signs, I just can't read the menu on my phone and I have yet to check out the new update myself, just waiting on my friends to be able to get back in with multi-player
Been playing the new map for the last week. Been loving it. Would recommend it to new players over the old map. Go with the Ruby Basin for next loco. Have been using it with no problem for the entire map.
I found out today you can Fly like in creative mode if you have one of the facilities in hand and you can fly fast to anywhere you want on the map really handy for scoping your yards and for a path ahead you can also repeatedly press space and you can go higher
it would be awesome to see them add a harbor to deliver goods to along with the freight depot, having it accept only a specific amount of goods at times, and have it pay more for the extra labor.
The Tweetsie (ET&WNC) 2-8-0 was added way back in the coal and power update, the Lima 2-8-0 was added in this update and is now the strongest locomotive.
I just started the new map as well Im saving for the Mogul 2-6-0 and Climax. The Eureka and others are to weak for my needs. I started with the Zuma for a bit of speed and power compared to the other 2
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Always felt the first map should have been played with tank engines only with how small it was. This one's cool but feels like most the map isn't being used by the original industry locations
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New map, new engines and new places to go! Obviously we're going to the sawmill next but what engine should we buy first?
Is hyce going to join you?
Montezuma.
Montezuma, name it Speedy!
Montezuma and hyce should join in the fun
Shay
Montezuma and Eureka are both the same top speed as Betsy, 16mph. If you want something quick for early game, I'd go with the Glenbrook (24mph).
Cars stopped derailing due to physics issues with the switch to UE5. The props, facilities and industries use your camera direction as a grid, so alligning those to tracks can be tough.
There's a bug that causes industries to receive double the supplies you offload. You still get regular pay though, might want to go with hard industry difficulty to counteract that.
Also logs and other items that get shortened on the small cars are still treated as regular cargo without any disadvantage.
Passenger cars have been added to the game, but currently they don't serve any purpose, so no reason to buy them.
2-axle logging is now just OP. There is practically no reason to go for the 4-axles if you want to just transport logs. On the other hand, the cordwood 2-axles are an absolute joke, having just 1/3 capacity of the 4-axles. The same for tanker cars. 2-axles take 2 drops of oil, 4-axles take IIRC 14 and 16.
Also, Mosca goes 25, and has decent tractive effort, so a very good general mid-game locomotive, and its relatively cheap. Definitely recommended. Also, Climax got a speed boost and now it goes 12mph. Definitely not bad, and is not very competitive compared to Heisler. Especially if you have a short super-steep railroad and you need a single-use puller/pusher. However I have to say that Montezuma is now probably the worst starting pick, as it just cannot climb at all. With a handful of empty cars it struggles against 3%. If you have over four fully loaded 2-axles, you can very much forget about climbing any sort of incline.
@@pavelslama5543 I'd still go for the regular old logging cars as it's easier to allign them with the cranes and the gregg cars all have a tendency to derail for no apparent reason. Plus the logs contracting and expanding is just ugly.
I tested all the engines recently and Mosca did 22, but it's pretty much up there alongside the Glenbrook thanks to the higher tractive effort. Climax isn't even worth discussing in the same context. I agree on Montezuma being the worst though, it needs a much higher top speed to have a use.
if you have money left overs then it would be cool to make a long passenger train tho
More Storytime with Hyce? I'm all for it!
I very much doubt Hyce will join
@@nicholasdowns3502 But why?
@@nicholasdowns3502 I don't see a reason why he wouldn't join.
If you watch his channel, he has started working with another group on a new game and has openly expressed his issues with RO
@@nicholasdowns3502Yeah maybe a cameo but I doubt he'll be a regular guest.
Wooooooo! More RO!
Also how did you forget the “Tweetsie”
I know right. I think it was maybe because I think Hyce payed for it in their save, and Kan just doesn't pay attention to the names. Since Hyce always called it the tweetsie and never referred to the actual name... :shrug:
The industry placing also goes in line with the fact they have a save for download on the discord that is just a blank map of the first map for download so you can place industries wherever you want as well to make it even more sandboxy
LMAO watching Kan just casually walking between the rails slowly cutting down trees as we can hear the train getting faster and closer. I just automatically add Hyce's danger music in my head.
*Sniffs air*
"What's that smell?"
I’ve been waiting so long for kan to come out with a new video
Exactly
I just started the new map today. Has connected the timber camp with the sawmill with loops at both ends. Chose Shay as locomotive (forgot how slow it is). Now have 14 carts, 6 for lumber, 6 for sawmill products and 2 for Cordwood.
By the way, it was your videos that made me buy the "game", thanks for that. I see it as a model railway for those of us who don't have room for one in the real world.
Did you place your own industry? I did, and its not easy to get to some of them (the logging camp is in the top right corner, and you have to go through the canyon to get to it. If you do it like that, you really need the Shay from the get go. Neither Montezuma nor Porter will get you anywhere once you put logs on those cars. 2% incline and they are dying. 3% and they are dead.
@@pavelslama5543 I haven't placed industry myself, I think I'll try where the developers have placed them first. I have a very long 2% rise to smelter. First trip up was with Porter 0-4-2ST. It had 6 small empty wagons in front and 12 behind it, the last 6 being loaded with cordwood. It came up without any problems. But damn the little wagons are alive when you have to go down again.
You can make hyce do all the yard signs.
sorry to disappoint but I dont think hyce plays rro anymore.
@@xX_Fighter_XxWhy?
@@patrickbliss9264have you not been following his channel?
@@TheSteamdriver No.
@@patrickbliss9264 He hasn't been friends with Himie (probably spelt that wrong) for a little while. Some music and sounds he recorded for ROO have gone and been replaced he doesn't like the bugs. But most importantly he is one of the people behind a game in development which will be a competitor to ROO when it's released.
That’s about time for this game :) hopefully Hyce will join you soon, ‘cause with you two it’s kind of like a podcast
unfortunately, I doubt that will ever happen again. Hyce doesn't want to use RRO on his stream, it may be because he's developing his own Railroad game with Developers that came from the RRO team.
He said he's not playing it anymore
@@datguymiller Oh well that’s just sad
@@Tschuschka_Ichwillitsch well he said he's not playing for content specifically, he may play in his own time idk
@@datguymiller well maybe, but in the very beginning he was almost always with kan and I believe he was a dev himself. It’s kind of iconic to have him in any railroad related series
Yes, I’ve been asking for some more railroads online videos from you kan. Thank you so very much.
I know its probs unlikely, but i'd love to see hyce join you kan. Need that Kan Hyce dynamic lol.
So good to see you in Railroads Online again! The new map definitely provides new challenges, and some interesting Easter eggs. If you use the Place Industry ability, you can fly around the map at high speeds so you can get an idea of where the industries are.
You already had to pee in a cup. I'm sure Hyce will be saying "KAAAAAN!!!" when he watches this. I'll enjoy watching you play this, and it'll always be the new division of the Central Rio and Pacific in my heart.
Glad to see you back on the rails kAN! Gotta say, RRO and Zeepkist are my favorites to watch on your channel.
I literally forgot this game existed but I am SOOO glad it is back thanks Kan!
I’m happy to see you came back to RO after all the new stuff was added. It’s always enjoyable watching your videos of the game.
As someone who played RO for a while, then stopped, the only new locomotives I see is the Lima, def new. Looks like a fine line between Narrow and Standard gauge.
So So Happy You came back to this game cant wait to see more!
You had the ET&WNC on your last playthrough.
You & Hyce kept calling it the "tweetsie".
i cannot get enough of watching railroads online please do more
Good to see ya back on the high iron!
East Tennessee and Western North Carolina! I live in that area, we still have several old stations and even an old bunkhouse left. This area used to be a big logging destination and there are several mines along the line too. Most of them stopped hauling freight back in the 80s but GSMR opened up as a scenic run back in late eighties or early nineties. I was in grade school when it did and we got to ride on one of its early runs.
I actually worked on it as an attendant not to long ago. They actually have a steam engine run, the 1702, but it's not a ET&WNC, it's a European model from WWII. There are also several cars from the early 1900s, including several that were used as troop transports during WWII. Modified, of course.
This new map is really making me wanna get back into this game
OMG, it's back!
I was wandering when you would start on the new map. Welcome and have fun :)
You can still call the railroad whatever you want. Just say that the Lake Valley cars are on loan.
Or say that the Lake valley Railroad doesn't even know they are permanently loaning you the cars. With how your railroad is going to treat safety regulations, it's not a big stretch to assume they would be above a little theft.
The Class 48 is still one of the best early engines. It had the power and you don't have the tender to worry about.
Only down side is small fuel pile, but isn't that big of a deal.
Nice, cool to see you back in RRO! 😎
love to ssee you back on railroad online! i have been waiting forever for yall to get back to it! i hope we get more episodes of you and hyce doin more railroads online!
Finally! Just what I asked for!
The yard sign you're looking for is "End of yard limit "
Other than watching you and Hyce Laurel and Hardy your way through the RailRoad, this is one of my favorite parts ,watching the building process ..
Nice to see you playing RO again. So, new industries will still come this year :)
@kAN Gaming, got to look at placing & removing Industries, Signs with custom Text, hidden Easter Egg. Welcome back. People are using plain posts to mark alongside the track, how far to pull out of the station for loading/unloading, making lining up with the platform easier.
there is like a little space between the hills at the end of the logging camp, and i built my track there and i didnt have to use tight turns
Theres a nice little spot for an industry like an iron or coal mine under the pride rock outcrop area of the mountain you were looking at, at 18:20. It's just large enough to fit a loop in and then have a siding for loaded hoppers and Betsy or a class 48 up there for shunting.
I think a fun video might be to lay a track up a hill and load a unit up such that the big engine (once you get there) cannot make the grade fully loaded, but you make it by adding Betsy. You have to roll all the way back to some industry, grab Betsy, set her to "SEND", and make the grade.
i would love this series to start again on the new map and maybe do a season 2 with Hyce?
huh, didn't expect to see you in RO again
Finally back at it with RO!! Cant wait for more
For better braking i try to put the nearest car to the trains brake facing the cab. i like the class 48 and the glenbrook as my early engine. but i haven't touched the Eureka in a while would be cool to see as long as there are no hills lol or if its fast now?
Yes I want you to play more RO I missed your content on it. Thanks a Lot
Imagine if you could cut into the terrain by the logging camp... or anywhere for that matter...
Would be cool if you could dig away terrain to lay tracks, but if you wanted to make a tunnel through rock, you'd need a tunnel bore and track layer...
I was wondering if there was a way to make cuts and tunnels. I havnt played this yet. I think it'll be the next game I pick up.
Thanks for answering my question about the terrain lol
@@cassius7833 I've never played either, but from watching Kan, I have literally never seen him cut into terrain, so I don't think it/s possible in the game, otherwise he would've done so.
Please more railroads online pleaseee kann
Yo kan you should revisit steam and steel, the game has a new map now called scarlet
So happy you are back. IUt was your videos that got me into playing the game. Hope you make some more.
love the revamped maps. If you like playing it, we'll love watching it.
I think those new small cars may be good for very sharp curves or sudden grade changes because of their very short wheelbase so they seem very suitable for mountain routes where sometimes there‘s not much space for longer curves or soft inclines. It‘s my first time seeing this new map in railroads online so i don‘t know the location of the other industries and which obstacles are between them.
It also would be very cool to see a small mountain railway going up on at least one of those higher mountains (such i described before) on this map and maybe even building a small town on top of them with those new available buildings if possible. Maybe there are mountains with a plateau on top of them, which could be suitable for this. Then you may be able to run Betsy and some small cars up and down this mountain having a nice view of the map. Maybe you can also use the „smaller caboose“ as a passenger car for Betsy.
It would be nice seeing more of this map also together with Hyce.
You can just name your RR anything, the "Lake Valley" could be the RR that was there before you took over as a "story" thing.
WOO HOO NEW TRAIN GAME VIDEOS! Thanks Kan!
WOOOOO I WAS WAITING FOR THE RETURN OF THE KING ON RRO
Just thought I would say sense Kan has joked around about wanting a birds eye view you can fly as the host by "starting to place an industry, I find it to be a great help for planning out track or catching up to run away trains..
You can use the industry placement mode to fly around and scout, if you cancel placement it will drop you where you are, or if you do it in 3rd person you can watch your character flywalking everywhere =D
Yes I am so excited for more train content 😊❤❤
My suggestion for the future would be to move the coal mine and ironworks away from each other. They are currently so close together that you can connect their platforms with a single spline.
The top left corner or next to the river are the spots I would recommend for relocating those industries
Wooo wooo wooooooo (Betsy says welcome back kAN!!!)
YAAAY RRO is back!
YAS! Thanx for the video been waiting!
It won't be able to the same without the Kan/hyce dynamic, but I understand why Hyce may not want to play RRO.
I do enjoy watching you build the layout.
10 dollars a log, 50 a car, the larger log carts generate 60 dollars, so it is more economical to use the smaller log carts
When you wanna stop especially if you have a heavy load you should run down the cars and throw hand brakes to stop faster. Might add a little more fun in my opinion.
Awesome! Railroads online is back! 🤘
Well now you have signs, you could use highway posts to mark the grade percent and something else to denote up or down, unless there are grade signs, I just can't read the menu on my phone and I have yet to check out the new update myself, just waiting on my friends to be able to get back in with multi-player
Been playing the new map for the last week. Been loving it. Would recommend it to new players over the old map. Go with the Ruby Basin for next loco. Have been using it with no problem for the entire map.
you can place telegraph wires for the telegraph office now
I found out today you can Fly like in creative mode if you have one of the facilities in hand and you can fly fast to anywhere you want on the map really handy for scoping your yards and for a path ahead you can also repeatedly press space and you can go higher
YESSSS FINALLY!!!!
it would be awesome to see them add a harbor to deliver goods to along with the freight depot, having it accept only a specific amount of goods at times, and have it pay more for the extra labor.
The Tweetsie (ET&WNC) 2-8-0 was added way back in the coal and power update, the Lima 2-8-0 was added in this update and is now the strongest locomotive.
looking forward for this amazing series
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! Time for more things to smell like Kenosha.
LETS FREAKING GOOOOO!!!!
Good to see you back in RO!
Please make more videos of railroads online, I would love to see you buy some new engines.
Would be interesting if you had to feed the lumber yard
Wouldn't a Y with a shunting lane be better in that tight area of the logging camp instead of a loop?
There is a low spot out the other end of that valley, where you can easily run the lines out the other end, instead of making a loop.
I just started the new map as well
Im saving for the Mogul 2-6-0 and Climax. The Eureka and others are to weak for my needs. I started with the Zuma for a bit of speed and power compared to the other 2
idk if ET&WNC was already there when you last played. but it's been in for a hot minute, you might remember Hyce calling it the Tweetsie
Can’t wait for this series
Just yes. More Railroads.
The ET&WNC 2-8-0 is tweetsee from the last season
More railroads online, please.
Yes plz more ro please, also when could you connect to the sawmill, and then scout the route to the next company?
Yes! New railroads online
If you select an industry in the build menu you can fly, which is much faster than walking
Glad see the game again
you just need 5 Betsy's and like 40 small log cars, never worry about sharp turns XD
YEAHHH BABY!!!!
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Yard speed can be anywhere from 10-15 miles per hour depending on the railroad
I believe if you get 5 more cars. You would make a bit more per trip. Hope this helps. Really wish I could play the game.
8:25 when you're done updating your spreadsheet, could you please link it somewhere for us not so mathematically inclined? 😅
I love this serie of RO ❤
I wouldn't think I would see this game again
There is a sign that displays custom text
Can't wait to make the east Broad Top Station
Always felt the first map should have been played with tank engines only with how small it was. This one's cool but feels like most the map isn't being used by the original industry locations
Cant wait for you to have another multiplayer with hyce
Its been so long since you posted railroad online