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You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.
@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters
@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?
The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony
@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.
The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?
I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.
That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.
@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically
Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.
@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever
I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants. Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.
The Dutch don't get swallow up by a combine Frence/Spanish Empire. It is a good power play. Dutch can't hold Gibraltar anyway but England as a Allies controlling a key choke point is leverage in itself.
They gained a powerful ally who gave gareentee of independence plus I believe it was the first free trade agreement ever made between both countries and back then to get a free trade agreement with UK was better than any land why the Dutch managed to gain overseas territory due to the strong alliance they had with the British
Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.
When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!
Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.
As addressed in some replies here, this is completely false. Andorra is a constitutional democracy whose ceremonial heads of state are the Bishop of tiny Urgell, Spain, and the French head of state, currently its President Emmanuel Macron. Even originally when these two "co-princes" actually ruled there, it was still meaningfully distinguished from anything like being "governed by France." It was just another place where the same man happened to be king, and always would be. Andorra has nothing to do with the French government and never has. It is no more French than Australia is Jamaican. And with Spain there is even less connection. Pope Francis is closer to being in charge of Andorra than King Felipe is, and that's pretty distant! In fact temporal and spiritual powers of bishops, including the Pope and the head of the Knights of Malta, have always been much more distinct than most people realize. The bishop of Urgell is the only other bishop of any kind on earth left that has any temporal sovereignty. (Though the Knights of Malta head has a few of its qualities.) That is pretty cool, as well as the fact that the President of zealously republican France has always been royalty. (Until only a handful of years ago the people of Andorra also still paid in-kind tribute to their princes with a set number of hams, cheeses, chickens and goats, and so forth.) In practice the modern informal influence from France and Spain due to Andorra's size and location (it's almost a sort of high-end shopping mall, some only half joke) matter much more than the fact that their ceremonial princes happen to be from there. Almost nothing would change if they were a republic.
Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.
Seeing comments of the Anglos giving their poor opinion about why Gibraltar should be British and having the balls of compare it to Ceuta and Melilla makes me seriously question his intellectual level, It seems that the lack of sun, the dental care, and the emerging new caliphate in UK is leaving consequences there hahaha
Seeing comments of Spaniards saying why they should own Gibraltar even though they signed a treaty 311 years ago explicitly stating Britain would own it FOREVER makes me seriously question their intellectual level. Maybe the immense skill issue Spain has had since 1806 is leaving consequences hahaha
Spain is a washed up imperialist nation. Has been for (250)years. British laid claim & re established that region. Spain only had territory taken from it. Never shared with another nation. Now they want to whine about the loss-!!!
I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships. People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area. I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock. But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.
Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea
@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever. Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate
@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)
@@JM-iq5up You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.
One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it. This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port. This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it
So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave? Got it.
However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.
However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire
Britain's European Union (at the time) and NATO allies, Spain, cheered Argentina through the Falklands War on what can only be seen as racial grounds. Still disgusts me to think of that.
@@fabiosobrin6648 I can't seen an Argentine flag over the Islands they never owned. Neither can the people who live there. In fact, you really ought to keep up. What next? The Beagle Islands are yours?
@@4ebees The Malvinas, as well as Gibraltar, were originally owned by their respective countries, which then some pirates/ organized bandits took. You are in no way lecturing someone on rightfully ownership of land. But it is quite ok👌 Time put everything back in their place, as we shall soon will see for example, with Scotland 🏴
@fabiosobrin6648 Gibraltar has passed hands several times throughout history and ended up in the hands of the British in 1704 and was permanently ceded in 1713. The Falklands have been claimed by England, and later Britain, since 1594, were formally possessed in 1690 and settled in 1765. Argentina didn't even exist until 1816. Scotland made the union and agreed to a once in a lifetime referendum in which they voted to stay in said union. Learn history before you sound like a moron.
How do you define "resolving" the issue? Because as far as the British (including the Gebraltarians) are concerned, it's been resolved for over 300 years. What has Britain or the people who live in Gibraltar got to gain from any of these negotiations? To stop Spain constantly complaining? Somehow I don't think that's worth it.
It is not resolved from the Spanish point of view, as Northern Ireland is not resolved for many Irish. UK is an expert in planting the seeds of discord across the globe: Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, Israel-Palestine, Pakistan-India, Iraq-Kuwait, Rhodesia, South Africa, Falklands, etc, etc, etc.
@@jabato9779 The Spanish seem to define "resolved" as "Gibraltar is handed over to Spain"... But that is contrary to the British position and would again leave the matter unresolved. Ergo there can be no "resolution" when there are only 2 real options and the 2 sides are diametrically opposed. Now as the as the Penisnular is currently British, has been British for longer than it's been Spanish and the residents identify as British, what good would it do discussing the matter any further? And as you mention it, it's even more clear cut on the matter of the Falklands. Other than a brief 10-week spell in 1982, the islands have never been Argentinian. And Argentina claiming land to which belonged to someone else first, of which the inhabitants have made it quite clear they don't want to be Argentinian, all under the guise of "decolonisation" is rather hypocritical.... Not to mention their own colonialisation of regions such as Patagonia.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Time of possession is absolutely a bogus, invalid and arbitrary argument. Same could be applied to Ukraine under the Russian empire and many other cases. Reasons behind that possession is what should be discerned.
@@jabato9779 So all borders that were decided by wars throughout history are invalid? We're going to need to redraw the entirety of Europe then! Personally, I'm looking forward to getting Normandy etc. (that the French stole in the 100 years war) back! And if Ukraine had been part of the Russian empire/federation for the past 300 years AND that was backed up by free elections showing they very much wanted to be Russian, then we'd probably all consider it part of Russia. But the Ukrainians have emphatically proved that they don't want to be Russian.
@jabato9779 Okay well here's the "reason" behind the possession of several British territoties: Gibraltar - Ceded by Spain in perpetuity following a successful capture of the territory and the failure of the Spanish to siege it back Northern Ireland - Remained part of the UK to bring an end to the Irish Civil War Falklands - Has had British people on it longer than Argentina has been on any map, successfully defended in 1982
Got back from a two week holiday in Gib yesterday. Drank enough beer to float a battle ship. Mad monk, Wembley bar, Skull, Aragon, Venture inn, Nelson, Quartedeck, all the bars in the watergardens and Ocean village. Back home now where I'm letting my liver have some time off. August is way too hot for me, try another month next year. Been in and out of Gib since 1980 with the RN and RFA ships and I love the place. ❤
I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.
It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.
@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?
@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other. With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.
they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same
i understand the spanish concerns that the british took up a little bit of land but other than that why do they even need gibraltar. also the population there aren't exactly spanish. Malaysia at independence for example had one of the greatest cities in the world under their control yet they kicked out Singapore since they realised the population there is not malay but chinese and that would cause great instability in the future.
Gibraltar is the tax haven, not of England, but of Spain. It is much better than Andorra, and in it there are thousands and thousands of companies of “Spanish capital”, which maintain all this scam. Otherwise, it is hard to understand how a town of thirty thousand inhabitants is capable of producing 2,600 million euros. After Luxembourg, it is the richest region of continental Europe, 82,000 euros per llanito. Go and see if it gives that impression.
What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.
The Catalans maintain that they are occupied against their will by Spain. Spain has not enjoyed a great tradition of liberal democracy. The Spanish governments record in this respect is possibly a contributary factor in the reluctance to be governed by Madrid. ua-cam.com/video/NaQ4_v0fz6k/v-deo.html The British record whilst imperfect is better. A few years ago they witnessed a religious intolerance issue in Ireland so partitioned the island in an attempt to resolve the issue. Later they witnessed a nationalist movement in Scotland so organized a referendum and the people got what they asked for. At about the same time the people voiced concern about a perceived federal Europe, they held a referendum and again the people got what they wanted. Similarly Britain has had some horrendous failures such giving Menorca to Spain which ended in Genocide cultural oppression and colonization. Having not learned from that experience the British government gave Hongkong to the Chinees and so the slaughter continues. Madrid controls 506,030 km² have they ever asked the Spanish people if they want to invade Gibraltar for an extra 7km²? If asked do you think they would choose to oppress another nation or opt to have a handy escape hatch from the Spanish Government? Democracy is imperfect, it will always result in a minority. The Spanish people who have sadly witnessed the alternative would never vote to oppress Gibraltar.
Fun fact: thanks to brexit the uk will have to give up gibraltar anyway. Due to brexit the spanish are treaty bound to put up a hard border, and the UK failed to make a deal to prevent them from doing so (spain offered to make the airport the hard border, and keep the gibraltar-spain border open, but the UK refused). With a hard border in place, the UK either has to spend billions to keep the gibraltars economy afloat, which is unpopular in the UK, or gibraltars economy will collapse, resulting in another referendum, to join the spanish.
Fun fact the the people of Gibraltar decided they like the way things are if the Spanish want it then go and get it stop chatting shit, the only thing is they'll come and take it back lol
Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”
Spain doesn't want Gibraltar. What they want is UK to respect the Utrecht Treaty and stop anoying spanish forces in the waters surrounding Gibraltar and to return the airport ground and beyond which they steal from Spain in the last 100 years. But asking a thieve to give something back is always a lost battle.
How about they trade for it with Ceuta and Melilla or the Canaries. The UK doesn't want Ceuta, Melilla, or the Canaries. It just wants all the ex-fascist spanish speaking countries to respect UK sovereignty and to stop annoying peaceful UK citizens.
@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war. Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain. And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior. Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.
@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?
@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd. Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off. And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along. Other than that, lol, sure buddy.
@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?
@@DerekLangdonSlly boy. Remembe, you and the world speak my language, English but not many people in Cornwall speak Cornish. Cornwall ...Corn = Kernow - Wall = Waelas meaning stranger slave or foreigner.
What is wrong in your dumb head ....the north of Ireland will going be part of the rest of the island of Ireland, not a trade deal like slavery....Britain should give back all their claimed places back like Gibraltar, and Islas Malvinas ( Falklands islands)
I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇮
Well, hardly surprising considering that the original settlers left when the British came and most of the current population is of British origins or directly British expats.
@@CharlesDickson-nv2ol The Treaty of Utrecht, which is the only legal basis for the UK's permanence in Gibraltar, clearly states this. The current population of Gibraltar is not a subject of law in this matter, which has always been and will always be about the territory. Let everyone have the nationality they want or can, because that is not and has never been the issue. In fact, it was after the UN urged the UK to decolonize Gibraltar that the Brits took a referendum and that is why Franco closed the fence. The Treaty is very clear. If the llanitos want to remain British or Thai, it is not a problem for Spain or anyone else. And by the way, there was not so much concern when the Brits expelled the inhabitants of Gibraltar who founded San Roque, or when they moved all of them in WW2, leaving Gibraltar empty of civilians.
My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.
@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.
Supposedly if the Barbary Macaques (originally from Morocco) ever leave Gibraltar, then the British would. This was feared to becoming true when the population was down to 10 at the beginning of the 20th Century. By 1942 the population was only 7 so Churchill ordered several be imported from Morocco to increase the population and gene pool. Hmmm, would Spain be willing to trade Catalonia and Basque independence for Gibraltar?
There is a tiny naval base there with two old patrol boats. It’s hardly a base. The biggest earner on the Rock is the drug money laundering that happens through the online gambling companies, it’s common knowledge and the accounts are very loosely audited by the four big accountancy firms who are also vey aware of the practices.
Spain when talking about Gibraltar: "It's our territory! It was unlawfully ceded to Britain over 300 years ago and we want it back regardless of what the locals think Spain when talking to Olivença: "Doesn't matter if we are legally bound to return the territory to Portugal one day. The locals want to keep being part of Spain so we should prioritize their wishes"
If it continues to be treated in the same way that the Falkland Islands dispute is I don’t see it being handed back to Spain. The British have allowed it to become a very unique place with its own tax regime. Why would the people of Gibraltar rejoin Spain knowing full well that it would make a point of stamping out its uniqueness to be replaced forcefully with a very visibly Spanish identity. It would be awful to witness such a travesty.
Yep but the majority of spanish people and our goverment we dont care that much about the rock we still have ports with a lot of comerce valor in the area, the problem is that gibraltar is one of the focals points of smuglin and corruption of our country, the majority of the people want to stop being disrepected by gibraltar and his agresive police of expanding their border and waters, that by the treaty of utrech is illegal. And more than one incident of envirometnal damage have been provoked by the british in the area, a thing that as you will gues dont make a lot of friends in the area.
Spain has offered time and time again things like giving Gibraltar autonomy or even a corulership of the Rock, wich they have regected. For Spain the problem is mostjy that Gibraltar actively hampers the local economy by being a tax heaven and having less stricts enviromental practices that harm the enviroment and the quality of life in the area. I woundt care if they keep being British, but they need to start playing by the rules and not fucking up with their neightbours
@@aloxpeexd302gibraltars current borders are recognized by the UN, and it's territorial waters are confirmed by UNCLOS. Both of these overrule the treaty of Utrecht
The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med. the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons. But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.
@@robertofulton It reminds me of that meme where a couple is hanging out and some rando asks "is there not someone you forgot to ask?" and Spain is acting like that guy a lot.
You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.
If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.
@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with. Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.
@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.
Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state. And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down. Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him. The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here. If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well. Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly
It is in fact a British Overseas Territory. as is Falklands along with 14 other outposts. The Manx and Channel IIsanders are Crown Colonies, different status.
There has been some consideration for this in the recent Parliamentary debate on Overseas Territories. This would give Gibraltar an MP and thus a voice in the British Parliament. However, it may also reduce the power of the Parliament of Gibraltar, which is effectively self-governing, apart from defence and foreign relations.
Gibraltar has never been giving to Britain only the right to use the port and constructions, nothing of course about new status, soberany, expansions, airport, military base, border, maritime space.
@@jorgeo4483 Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht gives Gibraltar to the British. Clear. ARTICLE X: _The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and_ *_he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever._* _But that abuses and frauds may be avoided by importing any kind of goods, the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be_ *_yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction_* _and without any open communication by land with the country round about. Yet whereas the communication by sea with the coast of Spain may not at all times be safe or open, and thereby it may happen that the garrison and other inhabitants of Gibraltar may be brought to great straits; and as it is the intention of the Catholic King, only that fraudulent importations of goods should, as is above said, be hindered by an inland communications. it is therefore provided that in such cases it may be lawful to purchase, for ready money, in the neighbouring territories of Spain, provisions and other things necessary for the use of the garrison, the inhabitants, and the ships which lie in the harbour. But if any goods be found imported by Gibraltar, either by way of barter for purchasing provisions, or under any other pretence, the same shall be confiscated, and complaint being made thereof, those persons who have acted contrary to the faith of this treaty, shall be severely punished. And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King, does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar; and that no refuge or shelter shall be allowed to any Moorish ships of war in the harbour of the said town, whereby the communication between Spain and Ceuta may be obstructed, or the coasts of Spain be infested by the excursions of the Moors. But whereas treaties of friendship and a liberty and intercourse of commerce are between the British and certain territories situated on the coast of Africa, it is always to be understood, that the British subjects cannot refuse the Moors and their ships entry into the port of Gibraltar purely upon the account of merchandising. Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain does further promise, that the free exercise of their religion shall be indulged to the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the aforesaid town. And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others._
@@johnburns4017 And that was the reason to heroically recover it again. You cannot leave anything valuable in your hands, you throw it off the balconies.
Spain won't even talk about Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera, which is uninhabited. 3 enclaves in Morocco and we are to believe that Gibraltar is the problem. I think it's a modern problem, Spain needs the extra revenue Gibraltar has however what they typically don't understand is that Gibraltar is only doing so well because it's not a part of Spain.
Gibraltar has been British for over 300 years and will stay British as long as the Gibraltarian population want it. Last time the were asked they voted over 99% to stay British.
@@decrulez you do know most of the gold stayed in the Americas and was invested there right? On the other hand, England literally massacred the natives while the spanish made families with them, most of the deaths being from diseases. Why do you think a lot of people on latin america are of indigenous descent, while basically none on the US or Canada are?
From 414AD to 711AD (297 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Visigoths From 711AD to 1462AD (751 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Almohads From 1462 to 1713 (251 years) Gibraltar was owned by Spain From 1713 to the current year (310 years and counting) Gibraltar has been owned by Great Britain At this point it's been British longer than it was ever Spanish.
I thought the idea of 'decolonisation' was to give people the right to determine their own path? The people of Gibraltar have spoken; I care more about what the people have to say than some committee does Same goes for the Falklands and other territories that are happy with their arrangements
This is the bit people miss all the time. Spain: "Oh, oh, give us this place we signed over centuries ago. We've changed our mind and don't like those contracts now. DECOLONISE" UK: "Okay. We'll ask the locals what they want to do. All part of the 'decolonising' process." Spain: "Who cares what they want" Exactly.
In a strange way it is emphasized that the people of Gibraltar "do not want to be Spanish." Anyone with basic notions of History knows that it is after the UN urged the UK to decolonize Gibraltar, that is when they pulled out the self-determination referendums (and as a result of this the closing of the gate by Franco), ignoring that The Spanish claim is about the territory, not about the people. That is to say, NO ONE in Spain wants to give Spanish passports to the Llanitos, it's that simple. The only legal basis for the UK to remain in Gibraltar is the Treaty of Utrecht, and this is very clear. If the UK and Spain agree to return the Rock, there is only one possible way to do so. I have a question for all those who talk about Ceuta, are they residents of Ceuta and Melilla, or does the UK have a presence or interests in these cities? Because it's very strange that this is always mentioned, honestly.
The answer is already known before anyone asks the question. They signed it over way back, next. As someone else said, Spain has an enclave in N. Africa which they will not debate with Morocco. Hypocritical ? You decide. The vast, vast majority of people in Gibraltar do not want to be part of Spain. Also, the Catalan region was playing with the idea of independence, that was pretty quickly quelled. Democracy, but only when it suits me.
Because they are two different cases. Gibraltar was robbed, Spain has Ceuta and Melilla way before the country of Morocco and Moroccan identity were created
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfbroo goo to the library and learn the true history hahhahaha morocco ( al maghrib al aqsa ) existed before spain and ceuta and mellila were part of him
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfThey are two different cases because you want to justify them as such, whilst the two have some key similarities. Both involve a local population that identifies more closely with the culture and nationality of a far away mainland, instead of the country right next to them that they share a land border with. The inhabitants of both, which were also born there, want to remain with their current national identity. If Spain is smart, they will build closer ties so Gibraltar inhabitants become more closely aligned with them over a generation or two. They should probably start that right about now, or ideally 50 years ago. Would resolve a lot of political headaches for the UK if the people of Gibraltar wanted to join Spain, so the ball is in the Spanish court to win the local opinion.
@@moatazyacour9971 Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies. I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.
As a Spanish person, any spaniard that actually knows about economy will know that Gibraltar being British is actually better than it being Spanish. Spanish people go there for work and since the UK is better economically speaking than Spain, it's benefitial. If Spain gets better economically than the UK (which I doubt) then things would start to be different.
Como decirtelo, es como si me dijeras que un mosquito chupandote la sangre es bueno por que al mismo tiempo q te roba la sangre te mete un tranquilizante para que no la sientas... Que Gibraltar y los gibraltareños estan de bonanza economica? por supuesto, son un paraiso fiscal que no pagan impuestos, pero eso no significa que generen riqueza, mas bien empobrecen toda la zona de la bahia de Algeciras, q debido a la falta de control unitario maritimo, al desorbitado precio de los productos gibraltareños y a que se lleva toda la inversion, tiene deprimido a La línea y Algeciras, cuya poblacion en muchos casos se dedica al trapicheo o a la venta de drogas, asique no, no es que españa tenga que mejorar la economia por los gibraltareños, es que los gibraltareños hunden la economia de la zona por su situacion particular, asi que ahí va otro motivo para retomar un territorio que en toda su hsitoria nunc les ha pertenecido
It's exactly the other way around. According to all statistics, unemployment levels rise as towns get closer to Gibraltar. You have to go a dozen kilometers away to find a normalized economy. It's like a tumor.
Spain always talks big about Gilbratar, and how unfair it is that the English keep control of it, but never eve mention Ceuta, Melilla, and the 11 or 13 (depends on what you count)Plazas de soberanía. Spanish territory in Morroccan land or waters
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 How they came to being is irrelevant. The fact that Spain holds foreign land, with Spanish Citizens, with no give in sight over those territories makes Spain look bad when asking Britain to give back Gibraltar.
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 I have. Article X of the Peace of Utrecht that Gibraltar belongs to the UK in Perpetuity. That no interference be caused by Gibraltar in Spain’s communications with Cueta. That Roman Catholic lbs be given freedom in Gibraltar. That Spain had some say in what trade occurred in Gibraltar. That Jews and Moors were not to be allowed to live in Gibraltar. There is nothing in Utrecht that says anything about Spain be given sovereignty back. This every time that Spain put Gibraltar under siege, they were attempting to break this treaty. Please tell me where I am uninformed?
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 Ceuta was a Portuguese city until the Spanish used then Iberian union to take it from them when Portugal managed to separate itself from Spain. It’s considered sovereign Spanish territory just like the UK considers Gibraltar part and parcel of the UK. If you’re going to attack my position, have a better argument than “read this that and the other thing before saying nonsense”. I recommend you do just that yourself
I don't get it... if the Brits don't want to give it, and the local population stands even stronger in that claim... what are the negotiations about? Spain cannot claim a land that was conquered and ruled by a completely different regime 3 centuries ago. I mean... there are so many cases of lands like these, that no one think of "giving back" (South Tyroll, Alzas, Kaliningrad, half of Belarus...the list goes on). If the people of Gibraltar wants to stay British there is no discussion here
Nope, Gibraltar is a colony according to the UN, Cueta and Melila are not. Also, pathetic chinese style 'whataboutism' is not a valid defense of the evil english colonial occupation of Gibraltar. You are welcome to litigate in the UN to have Cuete and Melila also listed as colonies but that is an entirely different issue to be decided on its own merit with absolutely no bearing on the criminal illegal English occupation of Gibraltar.
@@glr4764 first off, fucking relax, i was joking. I couldn't give a flying shIt about any of the three countries involved. It's a UA-cam comment not the floor of the u.n.The UK can keep Gibraltar, Spain can keep its North African territories, Morocco can keep western Sahara. Or not, makes zero difference to me. So take a Xanax or something, goddamn.
It was signed over in a treaty, perhaps that should be honoured. If you signed over the rights to your car and twenty years later decided you wanted it back because it had gone up in value, you would be told "tough".
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You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.
Gibraltar very clearly has territorial waters and are recognised as having so by the international community. Why would you think otherwise?
@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters
Is Spain part of the UN and does it abide by its conventions? I think it does.
@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?
I mean it’s hard to take the Spanish seriously when they have very similar enclaves in North Africa that they absolutely refuse to negotiate on.
yup, never gave it back to us
The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony
@@robr1032 The Marinid dynasty would like a word with you.
@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.
@@robr1032 nope, moroco existed befor spain colonised it
Dude the BMW in the Balkans killed me
I knew i wasnt crazy in thinking it was weird how many BMWs I saw in the Balkans lol
Tell em to fuck off
Spain: "Nooooo you can't have a peninsula off my territory"
Also Spain: "Shut up Morrocco, those are integral parts of Spain"
The problem is that you see a small piece of land and you immediately think it's stolen or something. Ceuta and Melilla have been spanish in all kinds of terms for longer than the existence of Morrocco as a country. How can you claim what's never been yours in first place?
@@Red-90 Morrocoy was created in 1956 following my western sources. I don't know what they teach you in a Moroccan school
@@Red-90 also, you can't just use the word "delusional" every time someone says something you disagree with
@@toasts3054 💀
@@toasts3054 thats cap
I've visited Gibraltar, an amazing place, nothing about it other than the weather is spanish. Its feels very British, it was very odd walking across the border one minute I'm in Spain the next I'm seeing British Police, union Jack's, Boots the chemist, Morrisons, signs in English, old school London Buses, 3 pin electrical plugs, British war memorials. British Saliors. Its England with a slightly mediterranean twist. The will of the people of Gibraltar must be respected.
That may be how it appears to visitors but the Gibraltarians are neither British or Spanish in character although they have more in common with Spanish people than Brits, I would say and Spanish (or 'Llanito') is the preferred language, for sure.
@MrYahboo what a load of utter nonsense
@@MrYahboomaybe you are right about their culture, but the people of Gibraltar want to be aligned with the UK not Spain.
@@johnborland6954 absolutely. I'm not saying any different.
@@johnborland6954you may be right, but history repeats itself and the UK only cares about Gibraltar for the strategic control. Their people are not a concern at least politically
I never knew Gibraltar has been British longer than it was Spanish!
Eso ni siquiera es verdad
@@pedritopedrito_how long was it Spanish?
@@pedritopedrito_disprove it then
It was part of the Kingdom of Granada before, an integral part of Spain.
@@MrColaKO the Kingdom of Granada was founded in what year? Around 1500?
“Much like a BMW in the Balkans” 🤣
It will come back to us. Once uk becomes completely Muslim and 💩, what is happening. You pirates
Fun fact: when the Olympics were on I used to always think the GBR acronym with the Union Jack was for Gibraltar. 😅
Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.
The UK didn't refuse to return anything, they were given gibraltar in exchange for them pulling out of the war
Refused to return? They GAVE it to us in exchange for peace?
@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever
@@yeahokbuddy2510 Uhhhhh no?
I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants.
Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.
It seems that Dutch diplomacy failed. They helped conquer Gibraltar, organised a peace conference in Utrecht, and came out empty handed. Great work.
It was agreed the Dutch could annex Gelderland which was occupied by France. Which probobly seemed a bigger win that the rock at the time.
The Dutch don't get swallow up by a combine Frence/Spanish Empire. It is a good power play. Dutch can't hold Gibraltar anyway but England as a Allies controlling a key choke point is leverage in itself.
Continued existence isn’t what I would call ‘empty handed’.
@@mrflibble9783 Had we known at that time, we would have preferred the rock. At least the simians there are semi-intelligent.
They gained a powerful ally who gave gareentee of independence plus I believe it was the first free trade agreement ever made between both countries and back then to get a free trade agreement with UK was better than any land why the Dutch managed to gain overseas territory due to the strong alliance they had with the British
Oh my gosh, it’s the rock!
da rok :O
**Vine boom**
Best spanish rock
I hate that you added that in
@@albertomunoyerro5562shouldn’t have singed it away then in 1713
You should do the conflict over the Russia Kuril island with Japan.
Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.
When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!
More similar to a personal union
I thought Andorra was technically its own principality which governed itself? Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s jointly owned sort of thing
@@sjeason en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-princes_of_Andorra
Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.
As addressed in some replies here, this is completely false. Andorra is a constitutional democracy whose ceremonial heads of state are the Bishop of tiny Urgell, Spain, and the French head of state, currently its President Emmanuel Macron. Even originally when these two "co-princes" actually ruled there, it was still meaningfully distinguished from anything like being "governed by France." It was just another place where the same man happened to be king, and always would be. Andorra has nothing to do with the French government and never has. It is no more French than Australia is Jamaican. And with Spain there is even less connection. Pope Francis is closer to being in charge of Andorra than King Felipe is, and that's pretty distant! In fact temporal and spiritual powers of bishops, including the Pope and the head of the Knights of Malta, have always been much more distinct than most people realize. The bishop of Urgell is the only other bishop of any kind on earth left that has any temporal sovereignty. (Though the Knights of Malta head has a few of its qualities.) That is pretty cool, as well as the fact that the President of zealously republican France has always been royalty. (Until only a handful of years ago the people of Andorra also still paid in-kind tribute to their princes with a set number of hams, cheeses, chickens and goats, and so forth.)
In practice the modern informal influence from France and Spain due to Andorra's size and location (it's almost a sort of high-end shopping mall, some only half joke) matter much more than the fact that their ceremonial princes happen to be from there. Almost nothing would change if they were a republic.
Demanding negotiations is pointless when the end goals are so diametrically opposed and one side has little leverage. They can have weekly meetings and nothing would happen. Spain will only be happy when they begin to gain control, and Britain has no reason to concede any. It’s an exercise in futility until something alters that balance.
Well at the very least, the dispute has remained peaceful for a long period.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
Like if Spain gave an ultimatum regarding their NATO status. If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would lose much of its strategic value anyway, it might be a worthwhile, if not, diplomatically damaging gambit.
@@ekothesilent9456 ... If Spain left NATO Gibraltar would gain tremendous strategic value.
the Gibraltar population have had referendums and they wish to remain as a British protectorate.
12:30 The way you added ‘That is bloody lovely’ really got me
As a Brit I think the UK should claim all the land north of Gibraltar, it's clearly part of Gibraltar, and whoever lives there would have a hard time disagreeing with that view point. Spain belongs to the UK.
@jesusbermudez6775Pa! We don’t just want planet Earth but the whole universe too! Every planet should be British!
@jesusbermudez6775the world would be far greater if ruled by the British
@@sophiefrancis8295Britain should definitely own the whole universe in that case 😂
agreed, British Armada when??
Only one universe? What if there are other universes? 😀
Seeing comments of the Anglos giving their poor opinion about why Gibraltar should be British and having the balls of compare it to Ceuta and Melilla makes me seriously question his intellectual level, It seems that the lack of sun, the dental care, and the emerging new caliphate in UK is leaving consequences there hahaha
Seeing comments of Spaniards saying why they should own Gibraltar even though they signed a treaty 311 years ago explicitly stating Britain would own it FOREVER makes me seriously question their intellectual level. Maybe the immense skill issue Spain has had since 1806 is leaving consequences hahaha
@@zigongosaurus5274at least you try to reply, but not even far bro
Spain is a washed up imperialist nation. Has been for (250)years. British laid claim & re established that region. Spain only had territory taken from it. Never shared with another nation. Now they want to whine about the loss-!!!
@@heptaniko7090 the Deigos want Gib because it reminds them of all their defeats and loss of empire at the hands of Anglo Saxons
USA: “how come we don’t have Gibraltar?”
USA 2: “we have Gibraltar at home”
Gibraltar: *Guantamono Bay*
USA: "Ohhhhh, right. I forgot we had that."
In reality, the United States does recognize that territory as part of Cuba, which refuses to abandon it and terminate the lease contract.
Guantanamo bay is cuban territory leased by the US
Nope you are just really crap tenants
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Leased against Cuba's will, that is.
I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships.
People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area.
I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock.
But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.
Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar
As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea
@@FriedrichBarb Lmao. Look at the Gibraltar resident defending their criminal racket.
@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever.
Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate
@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)
@@JM-iq5up You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.
One of the pressing issues between Spain and Gibraltar are the waters aroudn the rock. Spain says the Utrech treaty only allowed the land of Gibraltar, never the waters that surround it.
This is even a greater issue when Gibraltar laws allows for things foribidden by Spain or the EU, like the refueling of ships between them on the sea instead of refuiling at a port.
This allow for murky oil of unkwon origin to be transfered between tanquers and ships, with the highly risk of spill over. In fact a few months ago one of this refueling at sea practices spilt A LOT of oil into the sea that affected mostly spanish beaches and waters. This obiously infuriated Spain as they are getting poluted by a neighbor that doesn't give a fuck about it
So Spain is a colossal hypocrite considering the staggering environmental damage its fishing fleet famously do in British waters where they laugh off the concept of a "closed season" and swarm nesting grounds the moment British ships leave?
Got it.
However the treaty is overruled by the international law of the Sea in which no country or territory may have a 'dry coast' and thus Gibraltar by law must have territorial water.
However, due to UNCLOS, Gibraltar has territorial waters, with the UN overruling the treaty of Utrecht. Same reason why gibraltar could become independent should it so desire
@@t.wcharles2171But Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters or airspace, it's all Spanish
@@jorgec.a3123 Gibraltar has both its own airspace, and three miles of territorial waters, both confirmed by the UN
Britain's European Union (at the time) and NATO allies, Spain, cheered Argentina through the Falklands War on what can only be seen as racial grounds. Still disgusts me to think of that.
Las malvinas son Argentinas 🇦🇷
@@fabiosobrin6648 I can't seen an Argentine flag over the Islands they never owned. Neither can the people who live there. In fact, you really ought to keep up.
What next? The Beagle Islands are yours?
@@4ebees The Malvinas, as well as Gibraltar, were originally owned by their respective countries, which then some pirates/ organized bandits took. You are in no way lecturing someone on rightfully ownership of land. But it is quite ok👌 Time put everything back in their place, as we shall soon will see for example, with Scotland 🏴
@@fabiosobrin6648 Exacto 🇪🇸 🇦🇷
@fabiosobrin6648 Gibraltar has passed hands several times throughout history and ended up in the hands of the British in 1704 and was permanently ceded in 1713.
The Falklands have been claimed by England, and later Britain, since 1594, were formally possessed in 1690 and settled in 1765. Argentina didn't even exist until 1816.
Scotland made the union and agreed to a once in a lifetime referendum in which they voted to stay in said union.
Learn history before you sound like a moron.
"At least my vehicles in War Thunder are safe"
For now m8
How do you define "resolving" the issue?
Because as far as the British (including the Gebraltarians) are concerned, it's been resolved for over 300 years. What has Britain or the people who live in Gibraltar got to gain from any of these negotiations? To stop Spain constantly complaining? Somehow I don't think that's worth it.
It is not resolved from the Spanish point of view, as Northern Ireland is not resolved for many Irish. UK is an expert in planting the seeds of discord across the globe: Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, Israel-Palestine, Pakistan-India, Iraq-Kuwait, Rhodesia, South Africa, Falklands, etc, etc, etc.
@@jabato9779 The Spanish seem to define "resolved" as "Gibraltar is handed over to Spain"... But that is contrary to the British position and would again leave the matter unresolved. Ergo there can be no "resolution" when there are only 2 real options and the 2 sides are diametrically opposed.
Now as the as the Penisnular is currently British, has been British for longer than it's been Spanish and the residents identify as British, what good would it do discussing the matter any further?
And as you mention it, it's even more clear cut on the matter of the Falklands. Other than a brief 10-week spell in 1982, the islands have never been Argentinian.
And Argentina claiming land to which belonged to someone else first, of which the inhabitants have made it quite clear they don't want to be Argentinian, all under the guise of "decolonisation" is rather hypocritical.... Not to mention their own colonialisation of regions such as Patagonia.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Time of possession is absolutely a bogus, invalid and arbitrary argument. Same could be applied to Ukraine under the Russian empire and many other cases. Reasons behind that possession is what should be discerned.
@@jabato9779 So all borders that were decided by wars throughout history are invalid? We're going to need to redraw the entirety of Europe then! Personally, I'm looking forward to getting Normandy etc. (that the French stole in the 100 years war) back!
And if Ukraine had been part of the Russian empire/federation for the past 300 years AND that was backed up by free elections showing they very much wanted to be Russian, then we'd probably all consider it part of Russia. But the Ukrainians have emphatically proved that they don't want to be Russian.
@jabato9779 Okay well here's the "reason" behind the possession of several British territoties:
Gibraltar - Ceded by Spain in perpetuity following a successful capture of the territory and the failure of the Spanish to siege it back
Northern Ireland - Remained part of the UK to bring an end to the Irish Civil War
Falklands - Has had British people on it longer than Argentina has been on any map, successfully defended in 1982
Great video! I will never shut up about how awesome and magnificent of a place Gibraltar is!
ty! - a furry from gibraltar
Una mierda de roca que ojalá algún día vuele por los aires.
“Much like a BMW in the Balkans…” oh man this is hilarious! 😂 I almost choked in my morning coffee! You have a new subscriber.
Got back from a two week holiday in Gib yesterday. Drank enough beer to float a battle ship. Mad monk, Wembley bar, Skull, Aragon, Venture inn, Nelson, Quartedeck, all the bars in the watergardens and Ocean village.
Back home now where I'm letting my liver have some time off.
August is way too hot for me, try another month next year.
Been in and out of Gib since 1980 with the RN and RFA ships and I love the place. ❤
Very interesting piece of history. Thanks for sharing
Tell the Diego's to stuff it up their Jacksee
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And we Americans love our family countries 🇺🇸🇻🇮🇵🇷🇲🇵🇬🇺🇦🇸
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@@stargazer-elite Decolonise Puerto Rico first, and then we'll talk about "families"
@@meritianus2076 I wasn’t talking to you
@@stargazer-elite lmao don't care
I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.
ty! - a furry from gibraltar
its kind of funny how Spain at the same time refuses to give up its own Gibraltars in Morocco
It is definitely interesting but their are also key differences. Spain didn't expell anybody in Ceuta or Melilla, Ceuta was inherited from Portugal and Melilla was an abandoned city back then. Those cities were conquered before some of it's peninsular territories. Spain is territorially close to said cities, not thousands of miles away. At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing. I think those characteristics make it arguably a different scenario.
@@novedad4468, "At the time of it's conquest, colonialism was not yet a thing." What? What are you talking about? Colonialism has been a thing for millennia! It was a thing since the days of the Ancient Greeks! What the hell are you smoking, dude?
@@occam7382 chill out, "dude". It's a 200 word Yt comment, not a thesis dissertation, ofc there's gonna be some simplifications. But I think we can all agree that the transoceanic European colonialism of the Modern Age was different than the Phoenician, Ancient greek, Arab or Norse colonialism. Even Early and late European colonialism have little to do with each other.
With that context, for late middle age Iberians the concept of a metropoli and a colony did not apply to their conquests in North Africa, same as it didnt for Turks in the Balkans or Cyprus. Hell, the Irish territories of The Pale and the Angevin empire had more of a colony than Melilla ever did.
they are rightfully spanish cause they were originally pobalyted by Portuguese and then handed as a gift, they have been spanish since medieval times it's not the same
@@occam7382Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized as Spanish land, Gibraltar is considered a colony by the UN
I’ve never been so interested in buying war thunder than when you told me it could distract me from the British colonizing my house
I could certainly use that!
''HEY JIMMY IT TIME FOR MURICA!!!!!''
First time?
It’s ok, they usually give it back, eventually
i understand the spanish concerns that the british took up a little bit of land but other than that why do they even need gibraltar. also the population there aren't exactly spanish. Malaysia at independence for example had one of the greatest cities in the world under their control yet they kicked out Singapore since they realised the population there is not malay but chinese and that would cause great instability in the future.
bought fair and square.. whats the problem? And how would Rommel and Napoleon have fared if the Brits had not had this base?
Gibraltar is the tax haven, not of England, but of Spain. It is much better than Andorra, and in it there are thousands and thousands of companies of “Spanish capital”, which maintain all this scam. Otherwise, it is hard to understand how a town of thirty thousand inhabitants is capable of producing 2,600 million euros. After Luxembourg, it is the richest region of continental Europe, 82,000 euros per llanito. Go and see if it gives that impression.
Informative and humorous ! Well done .
"Whenever the British bayonet is poking me in the back, I like to play warthunder" 😆 😆
This is a well made, balanced and informative introduction to a complex situation.
"The Rock"
What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.
The Catalans maintain that they are occupied against their will by Spain. Spain has not enjoyed a great tradition of liberal democracy. The Spanish governments record in this respect is possibly a contributary factor in the reluctance to be governed by Madrid.
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The British record whilst imperfect is better. A few years ago they witnessed a religious intolerance issue in Ireland so partitioned the island in an attempt to resolve the issue. Later they witnessed a nationalist movement in Scotland so organized a referendum and the people got what they asked for. At about the same time the people voiced concern about a perceived federal Europe, they held a referendum and again the people got what they wanted.
Similarly Britain has had some horrendous failures such giving Menorca to Spain which ended in Genocide cultural oppression and colonization. Having not learned from that experience the British government gave Hongkong to the Chinees and so the slaughter continues.
Madrid controls 506,030 km² have they ever asked the Spanish people if they want to invade Gibraltar for an extra 7km²? If asked do you think they would choose to oppress another nation or opt to have a handy escape hatch from the Spanish Government? Democracy is imperfect, it will always result in a minority. The Spanish people who have sadly witnessed the alternative would never vote to oppress Gibraltar.
Fun fact: thanks to brexit the uk will have to give up gibraltar anyway. Due to brexit the spanish are treaty bound to put up a hard border, and the UK failed to make a deal to prevent them from doing so (spain offered to make the airport the hard border, and keep the gibraltar-spain border open, but the UK refused).
With a hard border in place, the UK either has to spend billions to keep the gibraltars economy afloat, which is unpopular in the UK, or gibraltars economy will collapse, resulting in another referendum, to join the spanish.
Fun fact the the people of Gibraltar decided they like the way things are if the Spanish want it then go and get it stop chatting shit, the only thing is they'll come and take it back lol
@@kevinsteadman7215 they decided that before brexit, i dare you to hold a new vote after the hard border is in place.
@@melaniedrogr951it would remain British you tool
"But also calm my nerves as all my belongings are sent to the British museum. " 😂🤣
Spain,”Hold a referendum and prove the people don’t want us”, UK, “OK”. The people vote and 99.9% vote to remain British. Spain, “Not good enough, it was too close.”
Not that I support Spain in this dispute but that never happened..
Meanwhile 51.9% is an overwhelming majority and a clear mandate.
@@MrYahboo Yes it did? In 2002 there was a referendum in Gibraltar and 98.97% voted to remain under British sovereignty
@@ProjectEkerTest33 he must have edited his post. It didn't say 99.% before. It was probably just a typo but that's what I was picking up on.
@@MrYahbooThere's no "(edited)" so I don't think he has
Spain doesn't want Gibraltar. What they want is UK to respect the Utrecht Treaty and stop anoying spanish forces in the waters surrounding Gibraltar and to return the airport ground and beyond which they steal from Spain in the last 100 years. But asking a thieve to give something back is always a lost battle.
How about they trade for it with Ceuta and Melilla or the Canaries. The UK doesn't want Ceuta, Melilla, or the Canaries. It just wants all the ex-fascist spanish speaking countries to respect UK sovereignty and to stop annoying peaceful UK citizens.
@@Ibnfunk One simple question, even for you: was the Gibraltar airport zone included in Utrecht Treaty?
No answer? 😆
One day it will all belong to Galactic Empire. No need to stress now
If exclaves are bad, North Africa would like a word with Spain.
It's not the same, not at all. To begin with Gibraltar is a recognized colony while Ceuta and Melilla are recognized Spanish land.
@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war.
Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain.
And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior.
Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.
@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?
@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd.
Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off.
And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along.
Other than that, lol, sure buddy.
@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.
So the Spanish look the other way when Ceuta, Melilla and Llívia are mentioned?
Llívia?
Are you moroccan?
@@user-cm9pt8bo3l are you?
Are you moroccan?
British should not return Gibraltar to Spanish Spanish should return Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco free Catalonia 🇬🇧
Free Scotland Free Wales, Free the whole Ireland and Free Isle of Man
@@oscarpena7285they are free.
So free that you can go and check the latest snp vote numbers and you are free to have a little cry about it 😂
When looking at Gibraltar (nice) and compare it to La Línea (slum) there is no wonder why the population wants to belong to UK.
La Línea is the result of a parasitic economy created by Gibraltar including tobacco and drug smuggling.
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you mean the slums in Leed,s Manchester, Hull, etc? why are british pensionists / nomads going to Alicante instead of radiant full british Gibraltar?
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bbBecause they are cheaper and sunnier?
Very first line... "...known for its great food..."
Where's the 'great food' in Gib? I'd love to know, given that I work there.
Compared to British food it's divine 🤣🤣🤣
(But will they?)
No
Didn't bother watching the video with such an absurd premise.
I'm going there in a month 😆Very timely video for me. Thanks for the work.
the uk used galvinised steel,eco friendly veneers and bolts from auntie
Thanks for the informative information thanks as always
They can try: Gibraltar stays with the UK but the Uk has to give Northern Ireland to Spain
Can we give them the Scottish too?
@@robertofulton I would that means I can just move to Spain lol
@@robertofulton I bet you didn’t know that the Cornish invented football. But instead of playing with leather balls, they used Englishmen’s heads!
@@DerekLangdonSlly boy. Remembe, you and the world speak my language, English but not many people in Cornwall speak Cornish.
Cornwall ...Corn = Kernow - Wall = Waelas meaning stranger slave or foreigner.
What is wrong in your dumb head ....the north of Ireland will going be part of the rest of the island of Ireland, not a trade deal like slavery....Britain should give back all their claimed places back like Gibraltar, and Islas Malvinas ( Falklands islands)
I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇮
Good video as always
very interesting, good video ❤
Britain itself has some fantastic beaches but Gibraltar appears to have just the one mediocre man made looking one 🤨
Yeah but it’s got a big hill, tunnels and monkeys so it’s pretty cool anyway
In polls the Gibraltar residents overwhelmingly voted to remain British.
Well, hardly surprising considering that the original settlers left when the British came and most of the current population is of British origins or directly British expats.
Now do eastern Ukraine
The claim is about the territory, not the people.
Simple to understand.
@@user-cm9pt8bo3l so you think territory is more important than people?
@@CharlesDickson-nv2ol The Treaty of Utrecht, which is the only legal basis for the UK's permanence in Gibraltar, clearly states this.
The current population of Gibraltar is not a subject of law in this matter, which has always been and will always be about the territory. Let everyone have the nationality they want or can, because that is not and has never been the issue.
In fact, it was after the UN urged the UK to decolonize Gibraltar that the Brits took a referendum and that is why Franco closed the fence. The Treaty is very clear. If the llanitos want to remain British or Thai, it is not a problem for Spain or anyone else.
And by the way, there was not so much concern when the Brits expelled the inhabitants of Gibraltar who founded San Roque, or when they moved all of them in WW2, leaving Gibraltar empty of civilians.
My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.
They can't, they can only give it back to Spain
A a spanish i prefer even germany or USA with the control of gibraltar than the uk
@@aloxpeexd302 Ni de coña hermano, Estados Unidos es lo peor que le ha pasado a España
@@VictorLdVSthey could, if gibraltar so wanted. Gibraltar could also fully integrate into the UK, or declare independence
@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.
Supposedly if the Barbary Macaques (originally from Morocco) ever leave Gibraltar, then the British would. This was feared to becoming true when the population was down to 10 at the beginning of the 20th Century. By 1942 the population was only 7 so Churchill ordered several be imported from Morocco to increase the population and gene pool.
Hmmm, would Spain be willing to trade Catalonia and Basque independence for Gibraltar?
Spain complaining about part of its land being "stolen" and having foreigners brought into said land is rich.
There is a tiny naval base there with two old patrol boats. It’s hardly a base. The biggest earner on the Rock is the drug money laundering that happens through the online gambling companies, it’s common knowledge and the accounts are very loosely audited by the four big accountancy firms who are also vey aware of the practices.
It should belong to the persian empire glory to Eranshahr.
What? From where did Persia came here? The Morocco may have some rights in Gibraltar, but Iran?
This is true it is clearly rightfully a part of the independent economic kingdom of anarchist Atlantis.@@NativeVsColonial
I’m curious about what are some of the other issues with sharing, like what would need to be contrôlée by each government
I enjoy that you have a British sense of humour 🤣
Here’s a sub ur one of my fave UA-camrs now
They should swith Ceuta or Mellila with Gibraltar if they really want it.
Spain when talking about Gibraltar: "It's our territory! It was unlawfully ceded to Britain over 300 years ago and we want it back regardless of what the locals think
Spain when talking to Olivença: "Doesn't matter if we are legally bound to return the territory to Portugal one day. The locals want to keep being part of Spain so we should prioritize their wishes"
The treaty said Uruguay for Olivenza.
Based.
@@joaocosta3374your mum is based. Based in a brothel 😂
Spain was going to return Olivenca but Portugal attacked Uruguay. But yes, as a spaniard, if you really care so much why not.
If it continues to be treated in the same way that the Falkland Islands dispute is I don’t see it being handed back to Spain. The British have allowed it to become a very unique place with its own tax regime. Why would the people of Gibraltar rejoin Spain knowing full well that it would make a point of stamping out its uniqueness to be replaced forcefully with a very visibly Spanish identity. It would be awful to witness such a travesty.
Yep but the majority of spanish people and our goverment we dont care that much about the rock we still have ports with a lot of comerce valor in the area, the problem is that gibraltar is one of the focals points of smuglin and corruption of our country, the majority of the people want to stop being disrepected by gibraltar and his agresive police of expanding their border and waters, that by the treaty of utrech is illegal. And more than one incident of envirometnal damage have been provoked by the british in the area, a thing that as you will gues dont make a lot of friends in the area.
its not going to be their choice :)
Spain has offered time and time again things like giving Gibraltar autonomy or even a corulership of the Rock, wich they have regected.
For Spain the problem is mostjy that Gibraltar actively hampers the local economy by being a tax heaven and having less stricts enviromental practices that harm the enviroment and the quality of life in the area.
I woundt care if they keep being British, but they need to start playing by the rules and not fucking up with their neightbours
@@aloxpeexd302gibraltars current borders are recognized by the UN, and it's territorial waters are confirmed by UNCLOS. Both of these overrule the treaty of Utrecht
@@Happyfor96it is their choice, no one other than the gibraltarians can decide
3 hours early. Great video 😊
Gives Britain control of the entrance of the med. It wont be given up.
The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med.
the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons.
But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.
It’s not really a problem that needs resolving though. 2 sides out of three consider the situation to be resolved…..thus it’s resolved.
@@robertofulton It reminds me of that meme where a couple is hanging out and some rando asks "is there not someone you forgot to ask?" and Spain is acting like that guy a lot.
You forgot to mention that Spain doesn't push the matter that much because they have similar lands in north africa that would be very vulnerable to reverting to the countries they are connected to.
If you’re referring to Ceuta and Melilla, please read a book. They have been Portuguese/Spanish for more 400 years, founded by Spaniards way before the Moroccan state even existed.
Spain actually agreed to hand over Gibraltar to the British, though. Morocco didn't.@@ignaciocriado
@@Hilts931 How can they get something back if they were never Moroccan to begin with.
Very briefly: Ceuta was Portuguese since 1415, then Annexed to Spain (along with all Portuguese territories) in the XVI century. When Portugal got independence (1640), Ceuta remained a Spanish territory as an autonomous city. Melilla is Spanish since 1497, conquered by Pedro de Estopiñan for the Kingdom of Castilla. The integration in the Spanish nationality dates for more than 400 years, well before the Kingdom of Morocco was born as is. Even during Spanish-French protectorate (1912-1956), Ceuta and Melilla were not considered part of it, as they were judged Spanish.
@@ignaciocriado yes but Spain can’t demand something back it actually gave away. That’s different to a territory that was never ceded in the first place.
Morocco does not existed at that time is absurd argument, the marinids were definetely a moroccan state since their capital was fes (moroccan city) and then when portugal took ceuta morocco was ruled by wattasids altough decentralised definetely existed as moroccan state.
And Moroccans defeated the portuguesd and agreed to cede Ceuta but one portuguese guy said guess I will die and the peace treaty got shut down.
Also Ceuta is nothing different than Tangiers and Mazagan who were taken fir hundereds years by portuguese but that do not mean they arf not moroccan
and alaouite and saadian dynasty still claimed the city as their Moulay Ismael kept seiging the city till his death and so did subsequent monarchs after him.
The area is also populated by local muslim population with riffain origin ( AdelKrim Khattabbi wanted to liberate Mellila) who at the very least do not mind joing morocco. Spain has tried to claim it has four culture but jewish and laughably enough hindu one disappeared, only riffains and descendants of spaish settlers are here.
If you want an account of what Ceutans really think about Spain just see the statue of the Conqueror of Ceuta being vandalised frequently and other spanish monuments as well.
Let alone inhuman treatelents of Arab merchants like slaves
Plus Fransisco Franco promised to give Ceuta and Mellila independence alongside Spanish Morocco and even built a mosque there but he have not kept his word
Finally, a joint sovereinty is the definite answer as the city will benefit greatly from opening trade with Morocco and integration into Africa rather than being a enclave dependant on Spanish imports and everybody will be happy now tge two cities are in a dire situation suffereing from a blockade from both side and it will also stop the flux of immigrants or at least make it more manageabke curently Immigrants are treated very very badly
Have they ever considered total integration into the UK? anyway seems they like the Manx/Channel Islander/Falklander status deal.
It is in fact a British Overseas Territory. as is Falklands along with 14 other outposts. The Manx and Channel IIsanders are Crown Colonies, different status.
true@@uingaeoc3905
There has been some consideration for this in the recent Parliamentary debate on Overseas Territories. This would give Gibraltar an MP and thus a voice in the British Parliament.
However, it may also reduce the power of the Parliament of Gibraltar, which is effectively self-governing, apart from defence and foreign relations.
No border was defined in the treaty giving Gibraltar to Britain. Britain drew a line determining tbe border. Now there's one.
Gibraltar has never been giving to Britain only the right to use the port and constructions, nothing of course about new status, soberany, expansions, airport, military base, border, maritime space.
@@jorgeo4483
Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht gives Gibraltar to the British. Clear.
ARTICLE X:
_The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and_ *_he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever._* _But that abuses and frauds may be avoided by importing any kind of goods, the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be_ *_yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction_* _and without any open communication by land with the country round about. Yet whereas the communication by sea with the coast of Spain may not at all times be safe or open, and thereby it may happen that the garrison and other inhabitants of Gibraltar may be brought to great straits; and as it is the intention of the Catholic King, only that fraudulent importations of goods should, as is above said, be hindered by an inland communications. it is therefore provided that in such cases it may be lawful to purchase, for ready money, in the neighbouring territories of Spain, provisions and other things necessary for the use of the garrison, the inhabitants, and the ships which lie in the harbour. But if any goods be found imported by Gibraltar, either by way of barter for purchasing provisions, or under any other pretence, the same shall be confiscated, and complaint being made thereof, those persons who have acted contrary to the faith of this treaty, shall be severely punished. And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King, does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar; and that no refuge or shelter shall be allowed to any Moorish ships of war in the harbour of the said town, whereby the communication between Spain and Ceuta may be obstructed, or the coasts of Spain be infested by the excursions of the Moors. But whereas treaties of friendship and a liberty and intercourse of commerce are between the British and certain territories situated on the coast of Africa, it is always to be understood, that the British subjects cannot refuse the Moors and their ships entry into the port of Gibraltar purely upon the account of merchandising. Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain does further promise, that the free exercise of their religion shall be indulged to the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the aforesaid town. And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others._
The same terms were used when Britain handed over Florida to Spain.
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@@johnburns4017 And that was the reason to heroically recover it again. You cannot leave anything valuable in your hands, you throw it off the balconies.
No matter where you go THE CROWN WANTS ITS TAX
Spain won't even talk about Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera, which is uninhabited. 3 enclaves in Morocco and we are to believe that Gibraltar is the problem. I think it's a modern problem, Spain needs the extra revenue Gibraltar has however what they typically don't understand is that Gibraltar is only doing so well because it's not a part of Spain.
Gibraltar has been British for over 300 years and will stay British as long as the Gibraltarian population want it. Last time the were asked they voted over 99% to stay British.
Now do eastern Ukraine
Exactly, as It should be.
Greetings from Spain
Bro the british kicked out and killed the spaniards living there at the time and put english people there, what do you think would happen?
@@idontknowofausername6231it’s going to blow your mind when you heard what the Spanish did to the Mayan’s. Spoilers they created Mexicans.
@@decrulez you do know most of the gold stayed in the Americas and was invested there right? On the other hand, England literally massacred the natives while the spanish made families with them, most of the deaths being from diseases. Why do you think a lot of people on latin america are of indigenous descent, while basically none on the US or Canada are?
From 414AD to 711AD (297 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Visigoths
From 711AD to 1462AD (751 years) Gibraltar was owned by the Almohads
From 1462 to 1713 (251 years) Gibraltar was owned by Spain
From 1713 to the current year (310 years and counting) Gibraltar has been owned by Great Britain
At this point it's been British longer than it was ever Spanish.
they claimed it the entire time however and they just kept losing why should they lose their claim if they never accepted total defeat
That's a stupid argument
@@VictorLdVS it really isnt
@@cian9816 It really is, time doesn't change anything in this case.
@@VictorLdVS No stupider than "it's near us and anyway you let jews live there so the treaty we signed to let you have it is null and void"
I thought the idea of 'decolonisation' was to give people the right to determine their own path?
The people of Gibraltar have spoken; I care more about what the people have to say than some committee does
Same goes for the Falklands and other territories that are happy with their arrangements
This is the bit people miss all the time.
Spain: "Oh, oh, give us this place we signed over centuries ago. We've changed our mind and don't like those contracts now. DECOLONISE"
UK: "Okay. We'll ask the locals what they want to do. All part of the 'decolonising' process."
Spain: "Who cares what they want"
Exactly.
In a strange way it is emphasized that the people of Gibraltar "do not want to be Spanish." Anyone with basic notions of History knows that it is after the UN urged the UK to decolonize Gibraltar, that is when they pulled out the self-determination referendums (and as a result of this the closing of the gate by Franco), ignoring that The Spanish claim is about the territory, not about the people. That is to say, NO ONE in Spain wants to give Spanish passports to the Llanitos, it's that simple.
The only legal basis for the UK to remain in Gibraltar is the Treaty of Utrecht, and this is very clear. If the UK and Spain agree to return the Rock, there is only one possible way to do so.
I have a question for all those who talk about Ceuta, are they residents of Ceuta and Melilla, or does the UK have a presence or interests in these cities? Because it's very strange that this is always mentioned, honestly.
The answer is already known before anyone asks the question.
They signed it over way back, next.
As someone else said, Spain has an enclave in N. Africa which they will not debate with Morocco.
Hypocritical ? You decide.
The vast, vast majority of people in Gibraltar do not want to be part of Spain.
Also, the Catalan region was playing with the idea of independence, that was pretty quickly quelled.
Democracy, but only when it suits me.
Wonder why Marocco doesn't want to take part in the dispute 🤣
Because they are two different cases. Gibraltar was robbed, Spain has Ceuta and Melilla way before the country of Morocco and Moroccan identity were created
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sf Robbed? Lost in a war and gave away in a treaty is a stretch from getting "robbed"
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfbroo goo to the library and learn the true history hahhahaha morocco ( al maghrib al aqsa ) existed before spain and ceuta and mellila were part of him
@@DiegoGarcia-en4sfThey are two different cases because you want to justify them as such, whilst the two have some key similarities. Both involve a local population that identifies more closely with the culture and nationality of a far away mainland, instead of the country right next to them that they share a land border with. The inhabitants of both, which were also born there, want to remain with their current national identity. If Spain is smart, they will build closer ties so Gibraltar inhabitants become more closely aligned with them over a generation or two. They should probably start that right about now, or ideally 50 years ago. Would resolve a lot of political headaches for the UK if the people of Gibraltar wanted to join Spain, so the ball is in the Spanish court to win the local opinion.
@@moatazyacour9971 Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies.
I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.
Hilarious ad, loved it as a brit!
Clearly it’s belong to the glorious Arstotka.
Wow the racism at the comments for a piece of land or not that they will never step on, gotta be humans+internet
Spain has no business arguing over Gibraltar sovereignty when they got Cueta & Melilla, and they're not even on the same continent
As a Spanish person, any spaniard that actually knows about economy will know that Gibraltar being British is actually better than it being Spanish. Spanish people go there for work and since the UK is better economically speaking than Spain, it's benefitial. If Spain gets better economically than the UK (which I doubt) then things would start to be different.
Como decirtelo, es como si me dijeras que un mosquito chupandote la sangre es bueno por que al mismo tiempo q te roba la sangre te mete un tranquilizante para que no la sientas...
Que Gibraltar y los gibraltareños estan de bonanza economica? por supuesto, son un paraiso fiscal que no pagan impuestos, pero eso no significa que generen riqueza, mas bien empobrecen toda la zona de la bahia de Algeciras, q debido a la falta de control unitario maritimo, al desorbitado precio de los productos gibraltareños y a que se lleva toda la inversion, tiene deprimido a La línea y Algeciras, cuya poblacion en muchos casos se dedica al trapicheo o a la venta de drogas, asique no, no es que españa tenga que mejorar la economia por los gibraltareños, es que los gibraltareños hunden la economia de la zona por su situacion particular, asi que ahí va otro motivo para retomar un territorio que en toda su hsitoria nunc les ha pertenecido
It's exactly the other way around. According to all statistics, unemployment levels rise as towns get closer to Gibraltar. You have to go a dozen kilometers away to find a normalized economy. It's like a tumor.
@@user-cm9pt8bo3l Really? If that’s the case then my opinion on the matter would change.
Spain always talks big about Gilbratar, and how unfair it is that the English keep control of it, but never eve mention Ceuta, Melilla, and the 11 or 13 (depends on what you count)Plazas de soberanía. Spanish territory in Morroccan land or waters
Not the same, pls read the history of those places and then the Treaty of Urtrech before saying nonsense.
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 How they came to being is irrelevant. The fact that Spain holds foreign land, with Spanish Citizens, with no give in sight over those territories makes Spain look bad when asking Britain to give back Gibraltar.
@@Deltaflot1701 It's not irrelrvant. Inform yourself.
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 I have. Article X of the Peace of Utrecht that Gibraltar belongs to the UK in Perpetuity. That no interference be caused by Gibraltar in Spain’s communications with Cueta. That Roman Catholic lbs be given freedom in Gibraltar. That Spain had some say in what trade occurred in Gibraltar. That Jews and Moors were not to be allowed to live in Gibraltar. There is nothing in Utrecht that says anything about Spain be given sovereignty back. This every time that Spain put Gibraltar under siege, they were attempting to break this treaty. Please tell me where I am uninformed?
@@antoniojavieraranda9351 Ceuta was a Portuguese city until the Spanish used then Iberian union to take it from them when Portugal managed to separate itself from Spain. It’s considered sovereign Spanish territory just like the UK considers Gibraltar part and parcel of the UK. If you’re going to attack my position, have a better argument than “read this that and the other thing before saying nonsense”. I recommend you do just that yourself
Spain has no case. Their king ceded the territory to the British king by treaty.
I don't get it... if the Brits don't want to give it, and the local population stands even stronger in that claim... what are the negotiations about? Spain cannot claim a land that was conquered and ruled by a completely different regime 3 centuries ago. I mean... there are so many cases of lands like these, that no one think of "giving back" (South Tyroll, Alzas, Kaliningrad, half of Belarus...the list goes on). If the people of Gibraltar wants to stay British there is no discussion here
you had me with 'The Rock'
This is a great explanatory video of why Gibraltar is British 👍
Spain "we want our land back"
Morocco "dude, you know i can hear you right wtf?"
Are you Moroccan?
@@user-cm9pt8bo3l no, I'm from Boston. I don't have an opinion on Gibraltar or Ceuta and Mellila, I was just kidding around.
Nope, Gibraltar is a colony according to the UN, Cueta and Melila are not. Also, pathetic chinese style 'whataboutism' is not a valid defense of the evil english colonial occupation of Gibraltar. You are welcome to litigate in the UN to have Cuete and Melila also listed as colonies but that is an entirely different issue to be decided on its own merit with absolutely no bearing on the criminal illegal English occupation of Gibraltar.
@@glr4764 first off, fucking relax, i was joking. I couldn't give a flying shIt about any of the three countries involved. It's a UA-cam comment not the floor of the u.n.The UK can keep Gibraltar, Spain can keep its North African territories, Morocco can keep western Sahara. Or not, makes zero difference to me. So take a Xanax or something, goddamn.
@@glr4764I was kidding around, relax. Don't care either way. I'm not sure why they deleted my comment. I truly do not have a dog in the fight
It was signed over in a treaty, perhaps that should be honoured. If you signed over the rights to your car and twenty years later decided you wanted it back because it had gone up in value, you would be told "tough".
My idea is that Britain can keep the disputed territory and lands they have built to expand Gibraltar, and Spain can get the rest.
Of course United Kingdom will have to return Gibraltar to Spain. No matters how long does it take.
Never going to happen.
@@Nicola-h7s this is exactly the same statement the last Muslim King of Granada made.. 🤣🤣🤣
@@GabrieldeCastilla-lk2jr think Falkland islands😂😂😂
@@Nicola-h7s of course, the Malvinas Islands will come back in the same pack. 🙂🙂
@@GabrieldeCastilla-lk2jr i bet you believe in sky fairy's too. Enjoy your padded cell