I thought this case was pretty ambiguous. Yes, they took advantage of her, but she also seemed like a willing participant. Where do we draw the line? Disabled people deserve love too, it’s a tough thing to adjudicate. I can see how this would be considered reasonable back when this was filmed.
What he did was legal but absolutely should that was prejudicial AF, if the defense wasn’t smart enough to make the motion on their own sucks to be there clients 🤷🏾♂️, in reality I imagine he’d be kicked off the bench.
@@Sniperboy5551yea it's a very taboo subject that people prefer to just ignore but disabled people have sexual feelings just like we do. They may have the mental capacity of a child but they have the hormones and body of an adult. This is a perfect example of what makes law and order great they pick this grey area topics and make a fantastic show that puts both sides on display
@@Sniperboy5551 It isn't imo. She was willing under the pretense of their "love". Obviously they didn't think anything of her above a sexual relief option going by their lack of care. Didn't help much that the judge was a well known misog ahole in the show though. The line, to me, in these cases is drawn at lying.
@@jayyu8645 she "consented," but think about it: if a 13 year old consented to doing it with someone who is over 20, does that mean the person should not go to prison just because she consented? Consent alone doesn't matter: there are laws that make this type of thing illegal, and laws that protect people who are disabled from being victims. That girl CLEARLY had a disability, and didn't even understand what she was doing because the boys convinced her that it was a "game". Do you see how this explanation wouldn't work with a fully functioning person? You could never explain that to anyone like that and think they are going to believe you, only CHILDREN really understand it like that. This furthermore proves that she had the mind of a child, and these boys took advantage of her disability to do whatever the hell they wanted to. I mean, they basically incriminated themselves by telling her not to tell anyone what they did, but with the other girls they were telling people what they were doing? You see how that doesn't make any sense? I'm concerned that you don't see an issue with this, like that isn't normal at all. THEY STUCK A SODA CAN INSIDE HER. They LAUGHED at her when they did all of this to her, and you want to tell me that she "consented" to that? It doesn't matter that she said "she liked it." , she's only saying that because she already has the belief that you do it because you are in love, and any functioning person wouldn't think that type of abuse was "love." She CLEARLY didn't and never understood what truly happened to her because of her condition, and they should have been charged and sentenced for a long time.
The young lady playing Valerie did a great job. You can see the conflicting emotions as she talks about what happened. I think deep down she knows they took advantage of her, but the humiliation would be too much to bear. She wanted to believe those boys really did like her and that she is capable of exploring her sexuality, and realizing it was all a joke to them would break her heart. 😢
That judge probably has a family of his own right, Some of them are women too right, Imagine if they heard the words he said about what that girl went through, He be the one in a hot seat and be judged by people knows Whose Decision he definitely can'tcontrol, An imagine has kids and Isome more girls?They would never speak to him again, Which will be the ultimate punishment.
I despise him too... and actually if that were in a modern episode of L&O TODAY, that would have been displayed even more obviously as being a corrupt/improper ruling. In point of fact, the judge WAS wrong and it was not ambiguous at all... Once the expert had diagnosed her mental age at 10-12 and had stated that she'd 'do anything to please whoever she was with', that sh1t was basically over. The Jury ruling being overturned was, I THINK, an attempt from the show at the time to show the deep divide between what the law SAYS it does and what it ACTUALLY does. It just doesn't play out as clearly in today's climate as it did back in the 90s when that episode must have first aired. I mean... they were still using the R-slur as a regular and accepted term to be using in court and professional discourses (as seen in the episode/clip). Sadly, I think this may also have been one of the episodes that was commentary of a REAL case that actually happened (and they don't always change the endings when they do that, sometimes, they just show the awful ending as it really happened).
I felt so bad for the kid in the first part of the video as his grandfather was willing to send him to jail instead of a mental hospital to get treatment as he was scared the press or one of his competitors would find out his grandson inherited the condition from him
2nd episode although it's a quite ambiguous case i feel there is reason to charge the boys. From her description they obviously knew of her disability, they laughed at her complying with them so easily and they took advantage of that. The victim's wish should be taken into consideration in most cases like this but this is not "most" cases, the victim doesn't understand the consequences and what the boys did
While the second one is a good episode, it doesn't fit the title of the compilation. No one actually dies in the episode. And in the third one, the kid isn't the killer. So... 1 for 3 is not a good percentage
In the second one, the kid (older sister of the mentally challenged girl) did KILL a teacher (accidentally) while shooting at the boys that raped her sister, so someone did die!
27:56 lawyer is giving 'Promising Young Man' vibes...couldn't care less that the kid took a life 😯 And dont even get me started on that judge 17:19 - even the defense look surprised 🤯
those are the exact words my principle told me when the kicked me out of choir the only thing that brought me joy so that the attacker could be in the class he wanted
so in the second case, does the sister go to jail for shooting the teacher? and i can see how the judge says it was consensual, its just the bottle part for me. no way you can say she consented to have a foreign object inserted into her.
@@kaiseremotion854Yeah I remember the use of it being quite prevalent in cases where someone had a mental deficiency. Even that wording is a bit rough and not the most agreeable verbiage I'd use. To be clear I'm not against the use of words that aren't exactly up to par with modern interpretations or vernacular. I just prefer that words not be used that have been co-opted by people that only use it as an insult or to demean someone less fortunate than others. Otherwise if it's a product of its time I hold no ill will against its use. You can't account for the thinking of people in the future and nor should you. I actually appreciate older speech. It's quite charming.
REAL LIFE fun fact: NDA's do NOT prevent disclosure of criminal activity. people who are signed to an NDA are not liable for penalty in discussing matters directly relevant to an ongoing investigation.refusing to co-operate with law enforcement investigators citing any active NDA in place, CAN BE HELD LEGALLY ACCOUTNABLE for obstruction of justice OR WORSE facilitating a crime if the signee is found to have been in possession of crucial information or evidence in the event a supoena is required to force co-operation. NDA's are a legal civil document. failure to comply with a civil agreement is a matter for civil court.in the event a NDA is in conflict with criminal proceedings, the criminal proceedings prevail.this was mandated in the epstein vs the people and entered into law after the case revealed that NDA's were being used with intent to commit criminal activities and to obstruct witness capacity to report
The third case was a man murdered his sons ice hockey coach for not allowing him to play in the next game which his dad arraigned for college scouts to come to he pled not guilty as that his rage at the time of the murder was argued to be at such a level that it impaired his ability to appreciate the consequences of his actions in the end the jury found him guilty
I'm a huge fan of law and order and have been for many years. There is one thing that I would like to bring to the table regarding the voice sample. Even low the voice sample sound of the same as the 911 call. You've also got to bear in mind that you get voice changers in my opinion I think this may be in a miserable in court.
1:09 This was another cap that Schiff had to face the same feeling that Donald felt when he saw with his own eyes the treason (The other that remember was s4 ep12)
When it come down to these kids they don't know what they go through but my thing is that why dont yall test some of these kids to see what they have? And now he getting lock up cause he put a lil girl on fire or something but some of these are really crazy in any time of way they either take meds or something or they learning from there family but shouldn''t no kid should do something like this is really insance and they dont care about it at all and its very sad at the end of day and i beieve it to cause i really be hating things like this period
*_TRIGGER WARNING for second clip:_* SKIP IF YOU ARE TRIGGERED BY ABLEIST LANGUAGE (being used as normal, every-day speech). That clip is SO old, it's actually extremely hard to watch even the defense happening. It's actually disgusting... but I recommend watching it if you can as it shows such a great amount of progress has been made in how we interact with, understand and even just merely speak about people who have these differences. The only way I could stomach that segment was by reminding myself that this is a time-capsule displaying the degree to which things were NOT understood back then.
That judge is always after pleasing the criminals His also grow up like those boys and he would do the same - and if he has a girl handicap then it may feels it -
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ITS NOT WILLING! And she didn’t consent to having a bottle shoved inside of her. She can be curious and still vulnerable. That judge made my skin boil
Omg I was livid he didn’t have to say she had the time of her life 🙄
He's probably being bribed by the parents or a misogynistic old fool, who should be banned from the bar.
Judge should have 3 men take turns with him then tell us if it’s the “time of his life”
exactlyyyy lmao
That judge!! Ugh he makes me sick
That’s what I was thinking
The girl was willing tho, and at the end she agreed that she did enjoy it. What's the problem? Genuinely asking, because I understand both sides.
@@jayyu8645the problem is that shes mentally imparied. That right there sets the precedent that consent isnt a one way street there
Props to the woman in the first clip. Picked up on a red flag, tried to play it cool and leave, and fought back (even if he wasn’t the killer)
Better safe than sorry
Honestly she should've just started running once he said anything other than "okay" to her when she said she had somewhere to be
The judge who let the 3 boys of should be charged with the crime and he should face the penalty
I thought this case was pretty ambiguous. Yes, they took advantage of her, but she also seemed like a willing participant. Where do we draw the line? Disabled people deserve love too, it’s a tough thing to adjudicate. I can see how this would be considered reasonable back when this was filmed.
What he did was legal but absolutely should that was prejudicial AF, if the defense wasn’t smart enough to make the motion on their own sucks to be there clients 🤷🏾♂️, in reality I imagine he’d be kicked off the bench.
@@Sniperboy5551yea it's a very taboo subject that people prefer to just ignore but disabled people have sexual feelings just like we do. They may have the mental capacity of a child but they have the hormones and body of an adult. This is a perfect example of what makes law and order great they pick this grey area topics and make a fantastic show that puts both sides on display
That case still makes me scratch the back of my head.
@@Sniperboy5551 It isn't imo. She was willing under the pretense of their "love". Obviously they didn't think anything of her above a sexual relief option going by their lack of care. Didn't help much that the judge was a well known misog ahole in the show though. The line, to me, in these cases is drawn at lying.
That judge is disgusting, not on the side of a woman who is clearly not all there.
He 1000% has committed crimes before
She consented, and she agreed that she liked it. I really don't see the issue here
@@jayyu8645 she "consented," but think about it: if a 13 year old consented to doing it with someone who is over 20, does that mean the person should not go to prison just because she consented? Consent alone doesn't matter: there are laws that make this type of thing illegal, and laws that protect people who are disabled from being victims. That girl CLEARLY had a disability, and didn't even understand what she was doing because the boys convinced her that it was a "game". Do you see how this explanation wouldn't work with a fully functioning person? You could never explain that to anyone like that and think they are going to believe you, only CHILDREN really understand it like that. This furthermore proves that she had the mind of a child, and these boys took advantage of her disability to do whatever the hell they wanted to. I mean, they basically incriminated themselves by telling her not to tell anyone what they did, but with the other girls they were telling people what they were doing? You see how that doesn't make any sense? I'm concerned that you don't see an issue with this, like that isn't normal at all. THEY STUCK A SODA CAN INSIDE HER. They LAUGHED at her when they did all of this to her, and you want to tell me that she "consented" to that? It doesn't matter that she said "she liked it." , she's only saying that because she already has the belief that you do it because you are in love, and any functioning person wouldn't think that type of abuse was "love." She CLEARLY didn't and never understood what truly happened to her because of her condition, and they should have been charged and sentenced for a long time.
@@jayyu8645shes mentally impaired
The young lady playing Valerie did a great job. You can see the conflicting emotions as she talks about what happened. I think deep down she knows they took advantage of her, but the humiliation would be too much to bear. She wanted to believe those boys really did like her and that she is capable of exploring her sexuality, and realizing it was all a joke to them would break her heart. 😢
Bruh you can be curious and still be assaulted 😭
Yes you can consent then withdraw consent also it becomes very serious and some cases are just 😢
True
The girl was blunt as hell in her descriptions of what happened. Props to her for her honesty.
Dangerous Kids: Volume 2 sounds like a kickass heavy metal album.
particularly in death metal I would say
That sounds awesome
I would listen
...From the 80s ? 😂
😂
That judge was a disgrace.
That judge probably has a family of his own right, Some of them are women too right, Imagine if they heard the words he said about what that girl went through, He be the one in a hot seat and be judged by people knows Whose Decision he definitely can'tcontrol, An imagine has kids and Isome more girls?They would never speak to him again, Which will be the ultimate punishment.
Ey she wanted it bro….
She got laid, Brazzers style
17:19-18:00 I understand that this case was pretty ambiguous, but I still despise that judge for overturning the conviction of those 3 teenage boys.
I despise him too... and actually if that were in a modern episode of L&O TODAY, that would have been displayed even more obviously as being a corrupt/improper ruling. In point of fact, the judge WAS wrong and it was not ambiguous at all... Once the expert had diagnosed her mental age at 10-12 and had stated that she'd 'do anything to please whoever she was with', that sh1t was basically over. The Jury ruling being overturned was, I THINK, an attempt from the show at the time to show the deep divide between what the law SAYS it does and what it ACTUALLY does.
It just doesn't play out as clearly in today's climate as it did back in the 90s when that episode must have first aired. I mean... they were still using the R-slur as a regular and accepted term to be using in court and professional discourses (as seen in the episode/clip).
Sadly, I think this may also have been one of the episodes that was commentary of a REAL case that actually happened (and they don't always change the endings when they do that, sometimes, they just show the awful ending as it really happened).
I felt so bad for the kid in the first part of the video as his grandfather was willing to send him to jail instead of a mental hospital to get treatment as he was scared the press or one of his competitors would find out his grandson inherited the condition from him
Grandfather went APE on the district attorney (I forgot HIS name) too. It was horrible.
His name is Mimi-Siku
@@Mk-gk3wv yeah because apparently he put him through hell after they sent his grandson to a hospital to get better
@@jamesplowman9221I was wondering if I was the only one who recognized him from Junge 2 Jungle lol
2nd episode although it's a quite ambiguous case i feel there is reason to charge the boys. From her description they obviously knew of her disability, they laughed at her complying with them so easily and they took advantage of that.
The victim's wish should be taken into consideration in most cases like this but this is not "most" cases, the victim doesn't understand the consequences and what the boys did
sadly the judge has full authority to negate a jury verdict.
Interesting how that judge warped objectivity is warped through his own subjectivity without recusing himself lol
She doesnt understand 😔 that she was batteried. The judge has no heart
She's not a child, dude. She consented, didn't she?
@@jayyu8645physically? Sure. Mentally? Not even close
That judge on that girl man. It infuriates me. They took advantage of that girl imagine of that was your daughter. You'd bring even the heavens down
Case with the girl & three boys was based on a real case. Happened back in the 80’s in Glen Ridge NJ
17:46 whats the point of even having a jury trial if the defence can just ask a bias judge to ignore the verdict?
I was wondering that too. They clearly found the 3 boys guilty. That should've been it. No matter what the judge thinks.
While the second one is a good episode, it doesn't fit the title of the compilation. No one actually dies in the episode. And in the third one, the kid isn't the killer. So... 1 for 3 is not a good percentage
Good catch!
In the second one, the kid (older sister of the mentally challenged girl) did KILL a teacher (accidentally) while shooting at the boys that raped her sister, so someone did die!
The first one he set a fire that killed a little girl. What do you mean nobody died?
@@mariahdibben4066 Read my comment again. There is no mention of the first episode, just episodes 2 and 3
27:56 lawyer is giving 'Promising Young Man' vibes...couldn't care less that the kid took a life 😯
And dont even get me started on that judge 17:19 - even the defense look surprised 🤯
THe judge and Robert Vaughn's character are probably friends.... the judge should have recused himself if that's the case.
The kid in the last clip didn’t kill the coach, it was the father.
those are the exact words my principle told me when the kicked me out of choir the only thing that brought me joy so that the attacker could be in the class he wanted
No, I’m no lawyer or judge, but I am almost certain what that judge did just now with either a morally bankrupt or be straight up illegal
What does this even mean
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2nd story, that judge is disgusting and if that was real life, these 3 boys would do it again.
Such a heartbreaking episode 😢
so in the second case, does the sister go to jail for shooting the teacher? and i can see how the judge says it was consensual, its just the bottle part for me. no way you can say she consented to have a foreign object inserted into her.
Lenny omg 😂 "An NBA player chokes his coach"
Classic L. Briscoe, man. Lol
This episode would have been a year or two after Latrell Sprewell, so it lines up actually
I love how all the techs and medical staff are so weary and blasé😅
That Judge needs a psychiatric evaluation cos WTF?!
12:55 that aged well. Vernacular was different back then.
Finally someone else heard it, I had to pause the video cause that caught me off guard
yea, the use of the word only died in 2010 for legal and medical terminology iirc
@@kaiseremotion854Yeah I remember the use of it being quite prevalent in cases where someone had a mental deficiency. Even that wording is a bit rough and not the most agreeable verbiage I'd use. To be clear I'm not against the use of words that aren't exactly up to par with modern interpretations or vernacular. I just prefer that words not be used that have been co-opted by people that only use it as an insult or to demean someone less fortunate than others. Otherwise if it's a product of its time I hold no ill will against its use. You can't account for the thinking of people in the future and nor should you. I actually appreciate older speech. It's quite charming.
So many better episodes that deal with murderous kids then these ones
7:50 McCoy’s stare is too hilarious
I am an assault victim and yes the JUDGE INFURIATES ME however props to the principle for recognizing that the boys were aggressors
"the coach should have been the adult" ? .... Dude we're not talking of throwing punches....... We're talking about murder
Law & Order, I really liked this video! I subscribed too!
The two best partners on Law and Order.
That judge who let the 3 boys walk is a sick scumbag.
Valerie made me cry 😢😢😢😢😢.
7:32 books like that should come with a " DO NOT RE-ENNACT" label in them.
Too soon, guys.
Please ..it's LAW & ORDER .original series.... ..not Law & Order SVU which has a Benson & Stabler..!!
Ah yes, the infamous “I killed Didi” episode
The third one is based on a real life murder at a hockey rink in Reading, Massachusetts.
Wil there be a Dangerous Kids volume three 😂
REAL LIFE fun fact: NDA's do NOT prevent disclosure of criminal activity. people who are signed to an NDA are not liable for penalty in discussing matters directly relevant to an ongoing investigation.refusing to co-operate with law enforcement investigators citing any active NDA in place, CAN BE HELD LEGALLY ACCOUTNABLE for obstruction of justice OR WORSE facilitating a crime if the signee is found to have been in possession of crucial information or evidence in the event a supoena is required to force co-operation. NDA's are a legal civil document. failure to comply with a civil agreement is a matter for civil court.in the event a NDA is in conflict with criminal proceedings, the criminal proceedings prevail.this was mandated in the epstein vs the people and entered into law after the case revealed that NDA's were being used with intent to commit criminal activities and to obstruct witness capacity to report
“Two of the other boys on his team (the suspects friends) and the boys father (the suspects father)”
The last one is based on.a case in Massachusetts where a man killed his son's coach.
You missed another good killer kid episode that absolutely should have been included S10, E2 - Killerz
I legit thought that was Sydney Lassick (Cheswick from "Cuckoos Nest") playing the High School principal.
Any info on the third case?
The third case was a man murdered his sons ice hockey coach for not allowing him to play in the next game which his dad arraigned for college scouts to come to he pled not guilty as that his rage at the time of the murder was argued to be at such a level that it impaired his ability to appreciate the consequences of his actions in the end the jury found him guilty
@@michaelcollins2030 good bc rage is a cop outs.
god the judge got me so mad
Who is the actress who plays Valerie?
The judge is crazy!😡
The girl from the first scene
She goes home with a man she doesn't know
why would she answer his answering machine
She was drunk and may have accidentally hit it
@@earthlyworld4698 nah she literally turned on the light and pressed the button
I always assumed she was checking if he was telling the truth about not being married. But it’s so true! 😂 Weird thing to do!
Melissa locked in full focus
could have included some clips from the school daze episode tho
I don't want to sound stupid here, but what is mental hygiene? What does that even mean?
@@mattharrelson7462 mental hygiene is another word for mental health essentially
I'm a huge fan of law and order and have been for many years. There is one thing that I would like to bring to the table regarding the voice sample. Even low the voice sample sound of the same as the 911 call. You've also got to bear in mind that you get voice changers in my opinion I think this may be in a miserable in court.
1:09 This was another cap that Schiff had to face the same feeling that Donald felt when he saw with his own eyes the treason (The other that remember was s4 ep12)
12:54 been a while since I heard that on tv 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The judge who let the 3 rapists off still makes me sick to this day!
Is that Lauren Ambrose? The chick from Six Feet Under?
Yup
Some of us like the credits
Dangerous Kids goes to show that not everything goes to plan and children can be very dangerous
I like did old episodes ❤😢
Well, we shouldn't pretend that all kids are 100% innocent,100% of the time
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The kid in the thumbnail looks familiar?
He was in Jungle 2 Jungle in the 90s
From simply being weird
Relationships with me are hidden.
I could blame a lot of things, nope I'm a weirdo
Johnny Boy Soprano before the emphysema and after doing David Kleinfield.
Parents sure are in denial and love to protect their criminal children.,
Why even bother have a jury
When it come down to these kids they don't know what they go through but my thing is that why dont yall test some of these kids to see what they have? And now he getting lock up cause he put a lil girl on fire or something but some of these are really crazy in any time of way they either take meds or something or they learning from there family but shouldn''t no kid should do something like this is really insance and they dont care about it at all and its very sad at the end of day and i beieve it to cause i really be hating things like this period
With people nowadays folks!.😢
Can't believe Mimi-Siku is a killer.
Huh, I forgot Rizzoli was in this
18:53 18:57
Doing that you've damned other future victims Innocence what a coward.
An amuetur diagnosis, isn't that heresay.
*_TRIGGER WARNING for second clip:_*
SKIP IF YOU ARE TRIGGERED BY ABLEIST LANGUAGE (being used as normal, every-day speech). That clip is SO old, it's actually extremely hard to watch even the defense happening. It's actually disgusting... but I recommend watching it if you can as it shows such a great amount of progress has been made in how we interact with, understand and even just merely speak about people who have these differences.
The only way I could stomach that segment was by reminding myself that this is a time-capsule displaying the degree to which things were NOT understood back then.
6:06 isnt that omni man ?
No lol j.k simmons voices omni man (J jonah jameson in any sprider man movie lol)
Jam from Detroit Rock City.
11:19 this is A lie that’s not how the law works
Def cried a few times 😢
Omar know am not playing with him n am never letting him used me or get in any of his lies or games i dont joke or play with omar
Psychology Always Works ❤❤❤❤😊🙏🏴🇬🇧🇹🇭!.
Wtf was the point of going through the trial ????
This fucking guy 16:30
4:16 say that again…
12:55
Hate that they are using the r word, I get it was a different time but its a punch to the stomach every time.
That judge is always after pleasing the criminals
His also grow up like those boys and he would do the same - and if he has a girl handicap then it may feels it -
Bridgette Islands
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Bpd ... 😢 Kid
13:16
Wiley Fall
Sad smh
I they have 3 boys I don't know I sure.🤮🤮🤢🤢🤮💗💗💓.
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Are yall noticed that the kid is actually sigma lol
This show is kind of gross.
Not really when it’s raising awareness to real life problems
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Just a T.V. show. I don't have time to watch it.
No duh its a TV show🙄
But you’re commenting. You probably do nothing. U have the time baby girl