Naval Operations In The Dardanelles Campaign 1915 I THE GREAT WAR On The Road
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2018
- With thanks to Mr. Ali Serim for making this episode possible.
In our first episode filmed on the former Gallipoli battlefields, Indy and our guide Can Balcioglu explore the naval campaign that preceded the landings at Gallipoli in early 1915.
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Windy Neidell
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Johan van Oldenbarnevelt The puns are strong with this one.
It was a great shame that the West German government rejected the Turkish offer of the former SMS Goeben to be returned as a museum ship- the only battlecruiser in the world- so it was busted up for scrap in the early 1970s.
I always appreciate little bits of info like this but damn that's disappointing
The Turks weren't giving it away it was a offer to sell a worn out hulk.
You got to love their passion.
Pasha-n more like
Even has 1915 in roman numerals on his arm. Dedication
glad i'm not the only one that noticed!
I was looking for this comment!
And with the SPQR also a fan of the roman republic? ô0
Presumably not a Muslim - having tatoos at all, and then in latin numerals and alphabet.
Patrick Holt Not true, muslims can have tattoos if they desire, as long as it isn’t obscene or inappropriate
Seyit Çabuk is the name of that Turkish soldier that lifted that artillery shell. The photo you see him holding that shell was made out of wood after the war. He tried to lift another on for that photo but was unable too.
Koksal Ceylan Terbiyesiz, neden böyle bir şey yazdın?
Koksal Ceylan Onun ne yazdığını biliyor musun?
Koksal Ceylan Diyor ki:
O top mermisini kaldırmış Türk erinin adı Seyit Çavuş'tur. Mermiyi kaldırdığı fotoğraftaki yop mermisi, savaştan sonra tahtadan yapılmadır. O fotoğraf için başka mermiyi kaldırmayı denemiş fakat buna gücü yetmemiştir.
@@generalkenobi3040 hayır böyle yazmıyor,
He has been immortalized in several sculptures. Visiting Gallipoli was a highlight of my month in Turkey.
(Viewers) Who would post a historical WWI video at 3 in the morning?
(TheGreatWar) OH BOY! 3 A.M. !
Sir Betterman Lol im pretty sure it’s later in Europe than in America
Liam McG I’m pretty sure it is too....
Now 10:14
pastuh Yes, time goes by and changes lol
Pretty sure timezones exist
That feeling when a video from great war appears and it says "28 seconds ago" ...
still34u didn't expect any decent American channels to upload this time of night. Double pleasant surprise
Ty T The Great War isn't American.
Wombat Indie doesn't say here, I grew up in Texas where I wouild be able to say this, but here on my German channel I cannot... He says, "we want to be clear.." etc.
Wombat Buuuuuit it seems Mediakraft is in fact based in Munich. So i eat my words.
"Time to think of a totally original and relevant comment with a humourous pun but not too silly"
Thanks for visiting our country. We love you and your channel. I hope you like this place and enjoy. Can abiye de selamlar çok iyi anlatmış
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well. -Grand Marshal Ataturk
I made sure its in the show wait for the upcoming episodes.
The western world needs to remember that Turkey is one of our great friends and important allies,and has been for over fifty years. They have been on the frontline of Soviet and Russian Federation containment for over fifty years. Whatever the current challenges are,we need to never forget that Turkey is one of us and we need to keep it that way.
Very moving quote. Thank you Turkey.
Potentially apocryphal, unfortunately.
Great quote from a great man.
John is cool. I like John. Even if is wasn't aware it's actually Can.
My name!
Thanks I appreciate it
@@egecelik3284 he said that
@@egecelik3284 oh ok, sorry.
OMG. I love historical places. Specially the war related places. So i had my own trip along the Hejaz railway starting from Madina to the top north of Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦. I wish you come shoot here
I would like to see the Hejaz railway too, greetings from your Turkish brother.
Really enjoyed this and Turkey looks beautiful.
WW1 was fought on many beautiful fronts, at least you can say that
Well beautiful as long as you weren't dying on them.
Many of those fronts are quite windy, as well, it appears.
The smells of the battlefield are horrible. Its bad enough dealing with one or two dead bodies. Hundreds or thousands.....I cannot even imagine. Then would come the flies. Poor guys, I always feel sorry for them regardless of which war it is.
Indie is the $hit haha! I love his jittery energy reminds me of my tweakin days but seriously great work everyone, you guys help me conceptualize such an important war and I’m grateful!❤
Great episode, fellas! Here's hoping we'll see more of Can soon, it's a great pleasure to listen to such a knowledgeable and well-spoken person.
Thank you I appreciate it
This is the best channel on UA-cam!
Beside Forgotten Weapons and C&Rsenal !
It always seems like each host you guys shoot with is the best so far. John is no exception.
Brilliant exposition Can. The Turkish defenders in 1915 have earned the pride of Turkey for all time.
Hi Flo 👋🏻
Great first episode from your recent Gallipoli trip! Fantastic interview with 'John' and it was a great discussion. Really looking forwards to more of your visit there!
Hey Indy and team. Great episode. Did you know the Allies had a plan to try and force their way through the Dardanelles again in WW2? My grandfather was a US Army engineer, and was in Turkey during the war building radio antennas for the Turkish military. He was a surveyor, and said what they were also doing was mapping the forts along the straights. If the Normandy invasion had failed, the allies plan B was to get up into the Black Sea and link up with the Russians....again. Normandy was obviously a success, so nothing ever came of it, but, that was the plan.
Churchill was obsessed with the Mediterranean/Balkans Theatre during the war. He called it the soft underbelly of the crocodile. The troops came to call it, the tough old gut.
Churchill was a legend in his own mind and proved it too often.
Probably one of the best episodes yet.. thanks guys
Been waiting for this! Thanks Indy and crew!
This is my favorite UA-cam channel. Thanks Indy for the awesome upload
Gallipoli nearly cost Churchill his career, he and the Allied British commanders were terrible strategists,they basically sacrificed the ANZAC troops. The Turks also had German assistance. The allies landed troops on shore and their troops including Anzac troops had a chance to get further in land and take up positions but their commanders wouldn't let them, this gave the Turks time to reinforce the area and ultimately contributed to their defeat in The Dardanelles.
Honestly, without German industry, none of the Central Powers could have fought as long as they did. There were no German combatants in Gallipoli tho, except some officers
Maurice Upton You do realise hughes and antill commanded the anzac ground troops
The strategy to take the Gallipoli peninsula was sound and fairly well reasoned. The problems were the Grand Strategy (Gallipoli is only one side of the strait, winning the other side would basically be impossible), the tactics (for the British landings especially), and most importantly, the logistics for the campaign were horrible.
The strategy for the landings, was the Britisn land on the tip of the peninsula with the largest force fight forts up the strait with help from the Navy. The ANZACs land about halfway down opposite the head of the narrows, win the high ground with clear sighting of the whole width of the peninsula harassing any Turks moving against the British and maybe fighting across to the strait (this is a bit, pie in the sky). Lastly the French landed a feint at the root of the peninsula on the morning pinning Ottoman reverses.
The ANZAC landings were predawn on an undefended beach, and they met major resistance when they reached the foot of their first objective at dawn. They fought for the heights all day, but couldn't hold the ridge.
The French landings were a complete surprise to the Ottomans and they secured their beachhead and held off all resistance before withdrawing later.
The British landings were frontal assaults on defended beaches at daybreak. And they were the bloodbaths everyone thinks of when the Gallipoli landings are mentioned.
If the landings were able to happen on the 23rd instead of being postponed due to poor weather. The ANZACs would have had 2 extra hours to reach their objective between moon-set and daybreak. Anzac cove was the target beach, the often mentioned wide landing beach was known to be defended by a battery and encampment of Ottomans just inland. The plan was to sneak though the very rough land on a moonless night to the heights to secure a beachhead and cut off Ottoman movement before the British landings begun.
But the plans were inflexible, The Grand Strategy to ease pressure on Russia meant the landings couldn't wait a month for the right conditions again. The British troops were pinned because the Ottomans could get reverses to their landing beaches. The French didn't have the supplies to hold their landing and turn it into a thrust as the ANZAC landing failed. No mortars or grenades were available for the troops. The supply lines were extremely long and limited because the whole campaign was seen as secondary to the western front.
The Suvla bay landings were botched because the troops didn't move to outflank the Ottomans wasting the lives of men in diversionary attacks.
Maurice Upton Many German Pilot and Officer fight with Turkish Force.
13:16 The Ottomans had actually seen submarines before, infact with the rather dubious nordenfeld subs built in 1880ies they were some of the first submarine users. Ottoman Sub Abdül Hamid fired the first torpedo under water in sub history.
yeah! and actually it was mentioned in this channel before.
The Turks as a military power? Of course they had seen subs. Your average citizen of Constantinople watching their bridge get blown up? Certainly not
I just love the epic thumbnails The Great War uses!
John was awesome!!
Another superb show by Indy And The Crew! Shooting on location with a knowlegable local + The Crew really add a dimension to understanding what happened. 11 on a scale of 10. :-) Glad I'm on board with Patreon to help see more of this. I encourage others to pitch in and help support the effort. Thank you!
His name is Can, not John. Can is a common name in Turkey.
İt's true
yeah but it sounds like john
Thank you guys for this amazing video
love the channel! keep up the amazing work
Great video; thank you so much. My grand father (who I never knew) fought at Gallipoli for Britain; he was very badly wounded but somehow survived. Seeing the strength of the Turkish forts; how on earth did the British think they could take the forts using infantry. Like my grand father; most of the British troops had never been in battle before, they were poorly trained and totally unprepared for the Gallipoli campaign.
The British infantry did successfully capture the forts. The problem was, by that point the officers were so used to static trench warfare, that after advancing an unprecedented 12km in a single day, they didn't know what to do and stopped to dig trenches, allowing the Turks time to bring in reinforcements and trenches if their own. Thus they lost the opportunity to continue the advance, and allowed the Gallipoli theatre to stagnate into another static front like France.
Thank you so much guys! 4k footage too 😍
Is this early upload part of Churchill's cunning plan to sneak warships past us in the dead of night?
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST well it wouldn't stand to let the Germans sink the ship's when the British were planning to do it themselves now would it?
Unfortunately for him the plan was not as cunning as a cunning fox who graduated first of his class at the Oxford department of cunning.
THE BRAIN SPECIALIST also to send troops up the beach in the cover of daylight ?
The sneakers are the black/white colorway of the Nike Air Zoom Vapor X HC
Sailor: What happens if our ship is hit?
Churchill: Well, the standard procedure is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter yourself over a large radius.
11:48 indy looks like he's in a post-Apocalypse movie
Will we be seeing more of John/Can? Who doesn’t love a passionate historian?
you will see more of me for sure
Frabjous day!
Thank you so very much, UA-cam. Given all of the military history that I've searched for and watched over the years (including WWI) I'm glad that your algorithm decided to recommend this channel to me only last week (unless I was blind and repeatedly missed it). Now I can binge watch to catch up, rather than enjoy these videos on the 100 year anniversary as intended by the creators.
In all seriousness though, excellent work, bravo! The series is excellent... well researched, well presented, nicely polished, and a pleasure to watch. Thank you.
As always, excellent content! I already love this Gallipoli miniseries, and John is a great host!
Emile thank you!
awesome episode guys!!!! it was great to hear from such a knowledgeable local historian, great job can!!!
Awesome episode! I love hearing both sides
This guy was great! Wish we could see more of him.
Great episode, learned a lot again!
One of the British submarines which broke through the defences at Istanbul was the E11 commanded by Lt Cdr Naismith. Subsequently having a successful patrol in the Black Sea. One night the First Lieutenant swam ashore with explosives and destroyed a section of railway line along with other installations. It was the first clandestine operation conducted by a submarine at war. Knowledge of the anti submarine defences at Istanbul, including the net were subsequently passed onto other submarine commanders. One of the submarines got snagged in a mine cable. The crew enduring tense moments as the cable rubbed along the hull. The CO managed to manoeuvre the boat free. Luckily, the mines at that time only had horns facing up, not down, since submarines were still a new concept at the time.
Thanks for the great work ! Lest we forget !
Glad I'm still awake at 1:00 am, the Great War is always a pleasure to see no matter the time!
Excellent on-site video!
Great episode ! Thank you Indy and thank you Can for your explanations I love your passion for Gallipoli history
A 2am update. Awesome.
11pm 😉
It's five o' clock somewhere. :)
It was released at 8: something, in the morning where I am (same timezone as the Great War team)
SigEpBlue False. International times are measured in hourly intervals; given the time at which you commented, no international time-keeping entity would register that moment as "5 o'clock", regardless of the specific relative positions of the sun and earth, or any social or lyrical contexts
😂😂😂😉
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Great information!
Great to see the sights there.
Anyone else notice that John has a MCMXV (1915 in Arabic numerals) on his arm? Gallipoli fan level - 100
arent they Roman numerals I thought the ones we use are Arabic
@@dogacn1 121212 are Arabic the others are indian and XII are romans
MCMXV is Latin/Roman Numerals. 1, 2, 3, 4 ... are typically referred to as Arabic Numerals. However, the Arabs got them from the Indians, and so a part of the world refers to the numbers we use today as Indian Numbers.
Nice vid before bed, thanks guys
I sincerly would like to express my compliments for the magnificent level of English that Mr Ali Serim has. We usually see Turkish people speaking with a basic level of English in such projects but as I see this time it was different.
Nice job fellows very informative.
You gotta love that ink brah
I love your content!
Very well done!!!,
Great job.
Keep doing the Great work!
Woo hoo! A late night update!
Great show, guys! I'd be very interested in finding out more about occultism in WW1. Been doing some research myself and while it seems to have happened, it was such a secretive thing and rather unusual, that information is scarce. Would be great to learn more about this part of the war. Thanks!
Heck yeah
Perfect distinguish English! Thanks you!
Can reminds me of a turkish version of Flo. I like them.
lol
I like this episode.
This dude is the most illustrated Turk I have ever seen. Great video and dialogue between the both you.
Its so crazy... You can literally see the city from there O.o
Got to say, that's great sound editing... or the vires to make the wind effect are well hidden.
Given the size and power of the dreadnoughts and super-dreadnought, aswell as the cost and effort put into producing them, it’s hard to believe they were so ineffective and that they could be defeated by a humble mine
The ships they used in the Dardanelles were already obsolete by the time of the battle. The idea was to use obsolete ships that won't really hurt the naval presence if they are lost. Nevermind what the sailors that died thought about that.
They were all pre Dreadnoughts so were obsolete and obsolescent. Poor mine protection
One of my favorite episodes so far..
Clearly, the Turkish Navy should supply some ships to give a sense of scale...!
we would ıf we had any ships.
HI INDY, from AUSTRALIA, where the Gallipoli landings are remembered here, great show, love it, cant get enough, please keep going
(i also know, that the campaign was a complete disaster, yet somehow Winston Churchill still almost "got away" with this complete debacle)
I'm sure Winston would've liked someone else's name attached to the mess and erase his own from the record.
@@LuvBorderCollies From South Australia here - but my parents and all family were from Scotland. My great grandfather with the Royal Scots Fusiliers was there at Gallipoli. So I've heard both sides: The first told in school, on TV by Mel Gibson and as an Australian soldier that it was a victory stolen from the Anzacs by the lazy tea drinking English - which is not true at all. And as Scots, I know how it was a dismal failure of planning that it almost caused a Red revolution in Scotland in 1919 - to such an extent, Churchill sent in tanks to Glasgow. (And now we know where those WWI tanks got used.)
EDIT: When I was a kid in school, I'd tell my great grandfather's story on Anzac Day when they asked kids to speak up for Show and Tell, and I was told it was JUST ANZACS. The rest were "POMS" drinking tea while Aussies and Kiwis died - so they claimed. What a load of bollocks!
Greetings from Turkey : A few more things to add. Entante admirals (and High Command that means Admiralty and First Sea Lord Churchill in London all the way to Admirals Carden and De Roberk commanding Combined Fleet forcing the Straits) really screwed things up in Dardanelles operations. There was no planining , only improvisation from Entante. After initial naval bombartments from sea on outer forts on Dardanelles in December 1914 , Ottomans realised that would be focus of Entante attack , hurriedly reinforced the place. More Royal Navy tried to clear minefieilds more Turks got aware that Combined Fleet was coming and sent reinforcements. Entante stupidly threw away suprise advantage and they underestimated their adversaries (they assumed Turks would run away under masive firepower of Combined Fleet. Spoiler alert : They did not , they stuck with their batteries , stockpied ammunition and material , repaired forts , deployed more minefields and just waited Entante Combined fleet - basically made up old unarmored pre dreaghnaught battleships since most of the modern dreaghnaught type batleships and battlecruisers of British Grand Fleet had to be kept up in Scapa Flow Scotland to keep an eye on North Sea in case Kaiser High Sea Fleet makes a sortie from their bases in Northern Germany -to come to them. ) Result was a slaughter for Entante on 18th March 1915 , one of the worst naval defeats Royal Navy and French Navy had to endure.
Pre-dreadnaught battleships were armored but not as much as the dreadnaughts.
Real difference was the size and number of guns on these older battleships
Nice that the 2 sides can discuss this in peace a 100 years later.
AE2 got through...look it up, great story
That's the Australian submarine shown in the photo. Spoiler it sank, but only after creating havoc amongst Turkish shipping.
just watched a doco on that.. all men got off that one... AE1, on the other hand went down near Rabul with all hands lost... was missing in action for 106 years before they found it..
next please Naval Operations In The ADRIATIC...how the Spaghetti's managed to sink a Battleship with a patrol boat, and also how Horthy trolled the Allies hard at Otranto.
Indy bringing us WW1 information at the midnight hour
DarkshadowXD63
Europe:Has always had to deal with American UA-camrs uploading in the middle of the night.
Americans have one European channel who doesn't accommodate to them: WUTS THIS! DAE LATE NIGHT UPDATE!?
Great war at 2am this is great!! 😄😄😄
Thank you based Great War
Castles of Steel: Britain, Germany, and the Winning of the Great War at Sea
by Robert K. Massie
Has a section on the Gallipoli Campaign.
One of the things about the Goeben - was that IT was sitting off Istanbul and the British wondered if that had played a role in the Ottoman's entering the war.
So - they had this idea that they could force the straits.
The Plan - was to land the Army at the base of the Peninsula and cut across it, sealing it off. At the time - the beach there was not well defended but the Army said no.
So the Navy decided to give it a try themselves.
The idea was that they'd take all these small boats - use them as mine sweepers - and then follow them up the straits using some old battleships that they were going to scrap anyway.
The problem with that plan - was that the mind sweepers were still crewed by the same civilians who had owned the boats before they were bought by the Navy. The second they were fired on by the Turks - despite incurring no casualties - the Civilians Immediately fled.
The Navy tried again with the exact same results - the moment they were fired on - the Civilians fled again.
The Navy realized they had to replace the Civilian Crews of these mine sweepers - and did.
They were ready to try it again - but then the Army said they would participate.
The problem now - was that when they realized the threat - the Turks had immediately fortified the beaches at the top of the peninsula. The RN didn't really have the ability to do an Assault Landing - and needed an undefended beach to land at. So thy landed much farther down the peninsula - but then - they Turks on the peninsula put in trenches before them and bottled them up - just like on the Western Front.
The Army tried to make progress but failed and they ultimately evacuated their landing sites.
The Navy might have tried again on it's own - but didn't.
The original idea - was workable. Here the fact that the Turks didn't know anything was happening yet.
The Original Navy Plan - could - have worked. The Plan initiated by the Army when it decided to participate - was never going to work.
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Long live The Great War channel
this woudl have been great 3 years ago when the channel was talking about this campaign
AE2 was an Australian sub though it was skippered by an Irishman, Dacre Stoker and crewed mostly by the Royal Navy. Interesting factoid Stoker went in to acting after the war and played the role of the captain of a British warship that gets sunk, in the 1935 movie Brown on Resolution starring a young John Mills.
To clarify AE2 was the first sub to get through the Dardanelles.
Can is cool! :-)
Canada Newfoundland 1915 Gallipoli war campaign 19 september suvla bay extraction they withdrew peninsula coribou hill 🇨🇦
I just recently read "Gallipoli" by Peter Hart ...
My heart goes out to the Turkish people because of their political situation.
You mean the Erdogan`s mafia government?
@@dirensare Absolutely.
Indy, the 31st of may, its the 1st time that the tanks Renault FT17 were used to stop the german attack. Used with success by the way...
First responders reporting in!
Here here lol
Indy, any chance that those scripts will become a history of WW1 in book form. You may sell more than Martin Gilbert with your fan base on UA-cam.
I wonder if Churchill got the idea from the ottomans landing at Gallipoli to conquer the Byzantines. He was a history buff too! Perhaps if we had landed the expeditionary force instead of the marine force which was so auccessful at the start of the Dardanelles campaign to seize the element of surprise.
I wish John talked about the Harp Madalyası/Eiserner Halbmond/Gallipoli Star he's wearing. Looks like Indy is wearing a miniature of it.
Chris Plyman we talked about it in another upcoming episode so keep your fingers crossed
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in a bar listening to these 2 chaps.
Can you make a video about Eleftherios Venizelos ???
In his personal version of the history of WW1, which is far from a neutral account, Churchill lamented the abandonment of the effort to take the Dardanelles by sea power alone, except for temporary landings to take out individual Turkish forts which naval bombardment had not silenced. The attempt by both the Royal Navy and the French Navy was abandoned largely because 3 pre-Dreadnought battleships had been sunk in one day by mines, as discussed in this video. Churchill made the somewhat persuasive argument that the navies could afford both the loss of these obsolete ships, which would be scrapped at war's end, and the loss of life of several thousand sailors, which was a low number of fatalities compared to the Western Front. As had been previously stated by many including Churchill himself, a naval-only strategy was unlikely to succeed; however, it should have been obvious that a land invasion was an even worse idea.
Hi Neidell can you talk about the famous hospital ship, the last sister of the Titanic and one of the largest ocean liner to be sunk the HMHS Britannic?
a documentary on the Australian sub AE2 brought me here... thank you Turkey for looking after our dead..
Please talk about AE 1 and AE 2 they are super interesting subs!!!
3:30 Nice Boat XD
When September 1st 2019 rolls around you should start a world war 2 series just like this one
Forrest Harpole 2039 is more likely :D